Not very many women around. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I've been listening to MMJ for a couple of years. I got into them from being such a big Dave Matthews Band fan. I read somewhere that MMJ was on his label so I checked them out and have been hooked ever since.
I think I might try to go to the Mountain Jam. Sounds like a good time. I'd love to see them live.
Late.
Welcome, ;)
We need more women here. ;D
there are a few of us around the board... popping in from time to time...!
:)
I'd be more than happy to change my little blue sign to a pink one if it helps :)
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It's all good. It just struck me as weird that most of the posts were made by men.
Got me wondering if their music appeals more to men than to women.
it's been talked about before - whether women are "into" the reverb or not....
QuoteIt's all good. It just struck me as weird that most of the posts were made by men.
Got me wondering if their music appeals more to men than to women.
Actually that's a very good point...
I know more men than women that are really passionate about music.
i'm probably the only one of my circle of female friends that is what i would call "passionate" about music (ie slightly obsessive)... but they all really love music... i don't know, maybe its just me, i've always considered myself a bit of a music freak....
dude, it's just cuz women aren't very good at music. i mean, nothing against em, they just don't "get it", ya know? it's kinda sad actually...
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Don't make me come bitch-slap you Tom!!!
you're just BEGGING for a whack round the head for that one tom....
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i would say that if you're a newbie, you don't wanna get all derogatory-like about the male-a-plenty here.
BUT...
the combined intelligence of all the fine ladies here (EC, Ali, Doctor, etc.) more than makes up for our rather scant numbers.
i would take one ali over 10 tracys any day! ;)
maybe we should have a gender-neutral symbol, like if instead of defining yourself as male or female you can just be a citizen of the planet... maybe it can look like Prince's old name...
Just stating what seems to be a fact, Jack.
Quotei would say that if you're a newbie, you don't wanna get all derogatory-like about the male-a-plenty here.
I don't think Mountain Mama was being derogatory-like, was she? :-/
Quotei would take one ali over 10 tracys any day!
aw thanks welfleet!!
:)
maybe we should have a compliments thread... :)
I wasn't trying to be negative. I've been a part of other boards and most of the posters were usually women. So this place seems different and I was stating that.
Yes, I used a sausage reference but that is just what my girls and I used to say whenever we'd go into a bar full of dudes and we were the only girls. Seemed appropriate here.
Oh, and I love the reverb.
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QuoteOh, and I love the reverb.
good to hear!!! welcome...
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oh, and welcome aboard. i was full of shit with the girls and music thing. i've been dating a girl who's been playing piano since like age seven and can absolutely smoke me musically. won state competitions for it throughout highschool. she knows her stuff.
peace, ladies 8)
Quoteoh, and welcome aboard. i was full of shit with the girls and music thing. i've been dating a girl who's been playing piano since like age seven and can absolutely smoke me musically. won state competitions for it throughout highschool. she knows her stuff.
Yer but her record collection is shit, right? ;)
dang, dude. did you marry one of those, too?
My wife won cool points for having a Lucinda Williams CD (pretty much an unknown artist here in Japan) but then lost them all for having a couple of Boni Jovi CDs :-/
haha, awesome. actually, my lady's into some pretty decent stuff. got me into nickel creek a little bit. but, being a darn good musician, i figured i'd not dock points, since she knows what she's doing.
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plus, she went to that jacket show with me, out of her own free will. and is open to enjoying them. that said, she doesn't experience that same love for them as i do, but she does appreciate em, which is always frickin great.
on the other hand, she listens to country in the summer, which is questionable. but then again, understandable as background music for good times in the summer. plus, she works on a dude ranch. so it kind of comes with the territory.
jeez welfllet, I get no creds for having a girl's name?
Quotei'm probably the only one of my circle of female friends that is what i would call "passionate" about music (ie slightly obsessive)... but they all really love music... i don't know, maybe its just me, i've always considered myself a bit of a music freak....
I would have to say you sound like me. I think compared to a lot of my female friends I am more into music than them. Except my friend Lindsey is just as into MMJ as me. She is my only close friend that I know really likes them. So we can talk about them for hours. But if it wasn't for me, she would not know who they are. God bless myself :)
Besides her I have one other girlfriend Cori who is probably just as into music as much as me.
I think I am so into music because of my home environment. My dad listens to great music. I grew up to Led Zepplin, Sabbath, Old and Good Van Halen, Aerosmith, Allman Brothers, Doobie Brothers...stuff like that. I have played him some Jacket and he liked it. I guess my perfect summer would be filled with concerts. If I could afford that and had the flexibility with my job that is all I would do. That would be fantastic! :D
It is hard to find a woman/girl who is really, deeply passionate about music, enough to go out and see several shows a month and discuss music, etc. If ya'll have friends like that, hold on to 'em....at least until they get married! Only half kidding there...
Then you have to find people from forums like this who are just as wild as you are about the music!! :)
Quotejeez welfllet, I get no creds for having a girl's name?
actually, i had this theory that posited that dudes with chick-sounding names (tracy, morgan, jody, etc...) turn into football players, cops or bikers to make up for the parent-inflicted humiliation. it's funny though, because those names started as boys' names. but the toughest bastard i know is a hockey player named jody and he's an a-hole 'cause he got teased for it as a kid...
also... a bit off-topic, but i was watching FX's "rescue me" on dvd and the chick firefighter gets called a "stupid twat" by a fellow firefighter who felt she had put him in danger. my husband says she has no right to cry foul and file a complaint because the guy could have died. *i* say that if he'd called her a "stupid moron" instead of a "twat" it would have all been good. i thought it was unacceptable to attach performance on the job to her gender...
what do you guys think?
spins sausage around
is it an american thing to name boys jody etc? i've never seen that here.... its probably more the other way around, with more girls having what would traditionally be "boy" names.... friday brain-drain though, can't seem to think of any examples right now...
wellfleet - i always thought "twat" was just a word for someone who was being stupid (slightly more stupid than being a twit), not actually something you would associate with gender...?
QuoteBut if it wasn't for me, she would not know who they are. God bless myself
geez, you sound like ME!!! i've been taking every opportunity (birthdays, christmas etc) to give out mmj cds to my friends in the hope that someone will go nuts about them as much as me.... still trying!
QuoteIt is hard to find a woman/girl who is really, deeply passionate about music, enough to go out and see several shows a month and discuss music, etc.
sad, but true.
if only we were all in the same country, it'd be great!!!!
twat = vulva (slang)
i'll take 74 tracy's please. with extra fries. :)
my girlfriends like music. i don't fit in this thread.
and tom, your jokes are getting dangerous and i might have to give you a goddamn smack. that, my friend, is not a joke.
ali... yeah, twat is a vulgar term for female genitals. i think in north america it would have the same impact of "cunt" whereas in the UK that's used openly to describe a jerk, male or female, i believe...
i dunno... i would definitely be upset if someone called me a twat at work.
then again, last night when i took my husband out for a drink on his birthday, some guy reached and grabbed my right boobie as he was walking out the door and i was walking in. i turned around and punched him between the shoulder blades and uttered a death threat, but was amazed that his friends didn't even react to it... it bummed me out... i'm someone's daughter, sister, wife... would that guy like it if his mom was groped like that?
anyway...
good god, i cant imagine being so forward as to physically grabbing a woman. i wont say what my mind thinks in certain instances, but to actually go through with it, thats just another ball game....
im admittedly pretty physically weak, but rest assured if someone did that to my wife, there would be a fight.
Shit Wellfleet, real sorry to hear that.
It happens all the time here in Japan on the trains. The subway in my city has a 'pink car' for ladies only.
Fucking disgraceful >:(
hmmm i'll have to keep that in mind when i eventually visit the US... twat is just how you'd describe someone who's being stupid here. no gender issues, its not really rude at all. crap is probably a stronger word than twat!!!
wellfleet - that is TERRIBLE!!! i don't understand how some guy could even think that is even remotely acceptable behaviour, or that you wouldn't have a problem with that!
i'm sorry about that for wellfleet, too. i'm sorry that japan needs pink cars and that we need a similar system for women travelling alone.
i'm glad you punched him. should've rammed a baseball bat between his legs, too, and see how he liked "groping". fuck.
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We need more women here. ;D
I second and third that!
I would have to agree with the thought that girls aren't as into music. I my personal experience girls just don't dig on it like guys. Like my ex-girlfriend had a stellar CD collection, but it was all stuff that was burned and given to her by her father and old boyfriends, I myself would burn her cd's all the time at work (all 4 MMJ albums along with Acoustic Citsuoca included). She would come to shows with me all the time, but it was only when I would introduce the band to her in a way that I knew she would get.
She'd have a blast at the shows, but it always seemed on a different level, and when talking about music she just didn't understand it or have the right vocabulary or something like that.
But then again my good friend Alli has one of the most stellar vinal collections that i have ever seen, and we just kick it and listen to music together all the time. So who knows what does it...does it for me.
QuoteI would have to agree with the thought that girls aren't as into music. I my personal experience girls just don't dig on it like guys.
Okay, seriously. I'm gonna get pissed. Sweeping generalizations like this drive me crazy. Some girls are musicheads. Some girls are not. Some guys are musicheads. Some guys are not. To say that it's a product of your genetic makeup is retarded.
Seriously guys, c'mon.
I think the problem is guys are granted permission from society to express themselves emotionally through the vehicle of music, therefore, they appear to be more passionate about it. Whereas women have permission from society to express themselves in any (and every) outlet. This can be seen as a weakness, however, I view it as a strength and how boys are short changed at birth and taught that emotions are not valid.
I had 500 cd's when I got married and my wife had 150. Do I get into the MMJ shows more than she does? Absolutely not, in fact, I would dare say she derives much deeper meaning from the familiarity of the conjured emotion that she feels at the show.
Reggie Jackson owns 100's of classic antique cars. Does that mean Reggie Jackson has a deeper appreciation for cars or a better understanding of cars than a single mom who depends on her 1987 Sentra to get her 3 kids to doctor's appointments? I'd say the single mother really has a true appreciation and understanding of cars, more than Reggie could fathom.
Guys usually boil it down to most (CD's), number of shows you went to, etc...where women (IMO) have it down on an emotional level that is not measured in quantity, it's measured in experience and feelings.
Interesting topic though, but I think Meg is right. I mean, there's some guy out there who owns 10,000 polka cd's. I guess he is THE GOD OF MUSIC, right? :-/
That's a very good point, Tracy. I actually think that guys are having a harder time than girls these days, because so many issues were delegated to females, and then when boys experience them, nothing exists for them. Like anorexia and eating disorders. (I know I'm going waaaay off topic, but hopefully I'll find a way to get back to music.) I know a couple of fellas who have eating disorders, and they won't talk about it or seek help, because it's supposed to be a girl's problem, and people don't even recognize it in guys. This makes me so damn mad. I think what it all ultimately boils down to is that we're all seeing the stupidity of placing gender specifications on things, and we need to make sure that we take the time to recalculate our way of thinking. I know that so many times, I'll catch myself with some stupid preconceived notion, and I'll be like "god damn. i can't believe i think that." And you're right. Not all guys can be as open as Brian and rats about their manlove. Didn't somebody say that they were going to start a manlove thread? Maybe that would be a good idea. Let everybody express themselves in a safe environment. ;)
Anyhow, I know my reaction was pretty strong, and I really hope I didn't make you think that I was letting loose on you, NJ2KY. I got caught in the moment of a thing that frustrates me, and my post happened to follow yours. Truly, the person I'm really pissed at is Tom Eisenbraun. ;)
That is a JOKE, Tom. It really is.
thanks for all the kind words guys. i wish it was the first time that's happened. usually they're content to just stare... i heard about the women-only subway cars in japan, dragonboy, it's sad that it's necessary, but certainly good to know someone cares enough about the problem to help.
i used to think that too many girls weren't as "into" music as deeply as i was and i think it all comes down to parenting. young boys are encouraged to perhaps seek pleasure in certain things (sports, cars, video games, power tools) whereas girls are steered toward other venues. not all parents do this obviously... my dad used to put me to sleep to pink floyd's the wall, and we had the beatles and stones and who playing all the time, and motown stuff, so i absorbed that stuff like a sponge. i think my dad didn't do that with my brother and my brother is musically clueless. he'll listen to whatever's on the hop-hop/reggae station and whatever's playing in the clubs, but i don't think he can name a single beatles' album...
oddly, my mom had her musical awakening in the past two years. all of a sudden, in her fifties, she GOT INTO music. so, working at a record store, i started feeding her habit. she got into neil young, she freakin' loves AC/DC... it's way cool to see her get it now...
When Paul Westerberg (The Replacements) was asked what tips did he have for an aspiring songwriter, he said, "Write songs that chicks will dig".
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Anyhow, I know my reaction was pretty strong, and I really hope I didn't make you think that I was letting loose on you, NJ2KY. I got caught in the moment of a thing that frustrates me, and my post happened to follow yours.
No worries, as far as I've learned in this forum it's all love here. And I did like Tracy's point about the quantifying of it all. But I was mainly talking about my personal experiences with music, more importantly the discussion of. In my life I have only found 2 of my girl friends that I really get into music with and that mainly it is my male friends who I talk about it with. Even though I do play music for, and invite my girl friends to shows, it always seems that my personal connections with the music seem to be experienced more with my guy friends.
But hell maybe that some inter-gender communication shit that hidden in our psyches or something. Or maybe its like how I always here guys go on and on about sports stats and which player did what, which is similar to how I find my friends and I talking about which member of a band did what and who their influences were and what band they used to be in and where their touring and who's opening.
But anyway, EC its all good, I like these forums and the discussions they raise.
me, too. :)
i think one big difference might be in the way that the music is presented and received. coming from a guys perspective, and also someone fed up with the pop music scene...i can't stand "perfect" music. it needs that variation, that soul. something where it's been recorded ont he record without a click track and they just ran with it. and the music is beautiful because it's honest. it isn't a pose for anything, it isn't a front, it's just honest and beautiful. i mean, good lord, who could argue that "I Needed It Most" or "Phone Went West" aren't honest songs? there's something just in the way they're sung that shows that to you...that there's no doubt that Jim JAmes meant every word.
how this relates to women, i don't know. obviously Meg and Ali and Wellfleet (and other jacket ladies i've forgotten) get it, but the same could be said about guys. I've shown my morning jacket to a hell of a lot of my friends, and most of them just kind of dug Z. my best friend began to really understand them though, and got pretty excited about the tennessee fire. i think it's just a psyche thing. you have to understand some larger thing for the music to make sense, and i htink it's that appeal to the senses that my morning jacket makes. it's not really describable, but it is something that connects.
obviously you get all of us hardcore jacket fiends into one room and just mention "steam engine" and all of us melt where we stand and begin gushing about that song, there's somehting we've all got in common that has opened us up to hearing the beauty in that song, and that's something we all connect on. and the thing is, you'll probably find more men in that room, but i think there's a fair amount of females out there who get it, too. who truly understand the music and the beard, and who completely get Jim James rugged tenderness in his music. i think us men get that too. at least Brain does...
shit, i don't know how this is relevant.
the thing I always point out to anyone making a generalization about men or women is:
have you met all 1.5 billion men or women? no? then how can anyone make a generalization like that? we're all different.
now, if you want to do this:
generally speaking, amongst American men ages 25-40, who have attended some college or finished college, who enjoy alcoholic beverages and generally like loud noises and fireworks, who vote straight independent and drive only American made cars, the following is true: (insert your truth)
Quoteand the thing is, you'll probably find more men in that room, but i think there's a fair amount of females out there who get it, too. who truly understand the music and the beard, and who completely get Jim James rugged tenderness in his music. i think us men get that too. at least Brain does...
shit, i don't know how this is relevant.
us females are pretty perceptive sometimes too you know...
Quotehave you met all 1.5 billion men or women? no? then how can anyone make a generalization like that? we're all different.
people make generalisations all the time... yes we're all different, and no, there's no way we can EVER meet every other single person on the planet & quiz them on their music/mmj/beard views, so... you can only ever form or express opinions based on your (forever limited) experiences. and form generalisations from that. so long as people are open to the fact that their generalisations are just that: an opinion based on a single viewpoint about something they could be completely misguided about!
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people make generalisations all the time
I don't know how yoiu can say that. That's a gross generalization!
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There's a Tenacious D song in this thread, I just don't know if I should go there?
-The Fist ;D