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Title: God help us...
Post by: ycartrob on Feb 08, 2007, 11:01 PM
Anna Nicole, the gold digging, drug addict skank, will get more press over the next week than all the brave men and women who have given their lives in Iraq over the past year. All of them combined.

God help us, we're a sick fucking nation.
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: .Walt on Feb 08, 2007, 11:03 PM
way to keep to real! you're so right
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Post by: The DARK on Feb 08, 2007, 11:04 PM
Have some respect!  >:(

Still, you're absolutely right, and that is pathetic.
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Post by: EC on Feb 08, 2007, 11:20 PM
reason # (what're we at?) 5896: tracy is able to cram more shit-disturbing talk into one little post than anyone else.

:D
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: Ghosts_on_TV on Feb 08, 2007, 11:38 PM
QuoteAnna Nicole, the gold digging, drug addict skank, will get more press over the next week than all the brave men and women who have given their lives in Iraq over the past year. All of them combined.

God help us, we're a sick fucking nation.

The reason that it upsets me is that even though I could give two shits about Anna Nicole Smith, she ended up so pathetic and I'm sure she knew it. She probably hated herself, and hid behind painkillers and diet pills and alcohol just to deal with herself. And now she can't even redeem herself, even if she only redeemed herself to her and the people close to her, not the millions of people that have nothing better to do than talk about her (which, even in death, she'd probably love the fact that all of these people are talking about her). Now you have a baby with no mother and no one even really knows who the father is. Whats going to happen to the baby? Not only that, but like I said before, she probably hated herself and no matter how much of a dipshit her public persona was, I don't have it in me to feel anything but sorry for her.
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: sweatboard on Feb 08, 2007, 11:44 PM
"God help us, we're a sick fucking nation."

We really are sick.  I know I am.  
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: .Walt on Feb 08, 2007, 11:45 PM
to soon
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: sweatboard on Feb 08, 2007, 11:46 PM
I was trying to be serious.  :P
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: sweatboard on Feb 08, 2007, 11:49 PM
a funyun.
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: .Walt on Feb 08, 2007, 11:49 PM
lol   ;D
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Post by: sweatboard on Feb 08, 2007, 11:51 PM
 :-*
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Post by: EAZYE on Feb 08, 2007, 11:56 PM
sad but true, kudos for having the balls to say it. ;)
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: .Walt on Feb 08, 2007, 11:57 PM
to soon
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: .Walt on Feb 08, 2007, 11:58 PM
i'd hate for the no fun police to bust us
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: sweatboard on Feb 09, 2007, 12:01 AM
way to soon.
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: .Walt on Feb 09, 2007, 12:42 AM
you're right, i'm sorry. it  was just too much. but again you're right way to soon
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: Specialist on Feb 09, 2007, 02:12 AM
thank you Tracy!
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: ycartrob on Feb 09, 2007, 07:11 AM
I don't like the "fun police" anymore than anyone else (I mean, I can be Captain Fun, along with my nifty side kick Senor Smiley), I just don't know what to do when stuff like this happens. I feel helpless that we are like this as a nation. I feel selfish and stupid (more than normally). I begin to HATE folks like FOX news who seem to beat the war drum and give so little coverage to our fallen heroes, but go wall-to-wall b/c some super dysfunctional, attractive blonde dies (or 1 goes missing in Aruba). Makes me want to take a hostage or like Bukowski would say, "you feel like digging in under a hill and hiding out with a tommy-gun."

I just hope when I die I don't have regrets that I squandered real life and totally missed out on what's important.

I wish I had more solutions other than belly aching. Shit like this makes me want to shoot smack or pray.

Maybe Jim will write a song about it...

Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: megisnotreal on Feb 09, 2007, 09:29 AM
Quoteto soon

to whom?  ;D

p.s.: i'm having a party in a few weeks, so... tracy, can i go ahead and reserve the fun police?
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: BH on Feb 09, 2007, 09:36 AM
god help them.

i think we're all fine.

:)
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: sweatboard on Feb 09, 2007, 10:17 AM
Maybe Jim will write a song about it...


mabey, but I'm certain Eminem will.
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: Ghosts_on_TV on Feb 09, 2007, 10:35 AM
QuoteMaybe Jim will write a song about it...


mabey, but I'm certain Eminem will.

Haha, I'm sure he'll have something to say about it.
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: Taterbug on Feb 09, 2007, 10:45 AM
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Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: peanut butter puddin surprise on Feb 09, 2007, 11:14 AM
QuoteAnna Nicole, the gold digging, drug addict skank, will get more press over the next week than all the brave men and women who have given their lives in Iraq over the past year. All of them combined.

No offense, but bullshit.  Every goddamn lead story on our news is about Iraq.  About death.  About dead soldiers and contractors.  And about every other person who has died there EXCEPT for the poor bastards who were unlucky enough to be born into a country that has a civil war going all around them.  We are, as a country, totally fixated with Iraq.  Every week, at least three of the news shows on primetime has a story about one of the soldiers that have died in Iraq that week.   Is that not enough press?  Go to the local affiliate in the area that the soldier died-more "tributes" to the fallen.

Not that they shouldn't get props, but alas they shouldn't be there or have died there in the first place.  The whole thing is ridiculous, insane bullshit to the 900th power.  Repeat after me:  Iraq is not our country, Iraq is not our country.

Now, the whole goddamn thing is escalating as we "decide" to just go ahead and attack Iran.  Who the fuck thinks that's a good idea?!   This whole Crusade is a waste of lives, dollars, and international credibility.  Unless we're all on the fast track to total Armageddon, we need to step the hell back and take a deep breath and FIX THIS cancerous, parasitic, divisive, mindfuck of a deadly quagmire it has become.



Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: Coltrane on Feb 09, 2007, 11:21 AM
I love football!!!!
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: Taterbug on Feb 09, 2007, 11:32 AM
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Quote Unless we're all on the fast track to total Armageddon, we need to step the hell back and take a deep breath and FIX THIS cancerous, parasitic, divisive, mindfuck of a deadly quagmire it has become.


KUDOS, you are a most excellent wordsmith.
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: sweatboard on Feb 09, 2007, 11:35 AM
I came here to do two things, drink some beer, and kick some ass.....looks like were about out of beer.

(http://www.bursonaudio.com/images/team%20america%202.jpg)
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: ycartrob on Feb 09, 2007, 12:02 PM
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QuoteAnna Nicole, the gold digging, drug addict skank, will get more press over the next week than all the brave men and women who have given their lives in Iraq over the past year. All of them combined.

No offense, but bullshit.  Every goddamn lead story on our news is about Iraq.  About death.  About dead soldiers and contractors.  And about every other person who has died there EXCEPT for the poor bastards who were unlucky enough to be born into a country that has a civil war going all around them.  We are, as a country, totally fixated with Iraq.  Every week, at least three of the news shows on primetime has a story about one of the soldiers that have died in Iraq that week.   Is that not enough press?  Go to the local affiliate in the area that the soldier died-more "tributes" to the fallen.

Not that they shouldn't get props, but alas they shouldn't be there or have died there in the first place.  The whole thing is ridiculous, insane bullshit to the 900th power.  Repeat after me:  Iraq is not our country, Iraq is not our country.

Now, the whole goddamn thing is escalating as we "decide" to just go ahead and attack Iran.  Who the fuck thinks that's a good idea?!   This whole Crusade is a waste of lives, dollars, and international credibility.  Unless we're all on the fast track to total Armageddon, we need to step the hell back and take a deep breath and FIX THIS cancerous, parasitic, divisive, mindfuck of a deadly quagmire it has become.




I watch the news every night and EVERY lead story is NOT about Iraq. Right off the bat your post is inaccurate, so I don't know how much of the rest of it I should discredit.

If you really think this country thinks more of soldiers than celebrities (much less dead Iraqui's) then I don't have much more to say.
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: Taterbug on Feb 09, 2007, 12:26 PM
I think it depends on which news source you choose to follow. Msnbc is pushing scooter libby and Iraq and domestic policy.  Faux news channel I find tends to push negativity to our current administration away. and if you don't watch you unpatriotic.
cnn is just fucking confused.
I enjoy the most credible news source. Stephen Colbert.
     "an attractive vessel through which the river of truth can flow."
"It's what Lincoln would have watched."
"Shave your head, strap yourself in and throw the switch! You're about to get a Truth-o-cution! Here comes The Report!"
"I swallowed 20 condoms full of Truth and I'm heading over the border. This is The Colbert Report!"
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: peanut butter puddin surprise on Feb 09, 2007, 12:28 PM
well, not knowing what news you watch, I can honestly say that every day there is a lead story on some channel somewhere about Iraq.  there's what...forty odd choices of outlets...during the various 24/7 news coverage we have...hmmm.   the ones I've caught are all about Iraq as a lead story and then some.  so.....

and, I think you're shaping your opinion on our nation's values about this issue based on your opinion of the media.  the media doesn't represent reality, we do think more of our soldiers than our celebrities...it just doesn't get the publicity that celebs do.



Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: MMJ_fanatic on Feb 09, 2007, 12:34 PM
every time a story about her came on the news last night I switched channels.  I don't need to know "how she died" "what drew us to her" (nothing in my case) or "why did this happen?" .  It seems the news outlets and tabloids are pumping up on Xanax now that target #1 has gone to take her big dirt nap.  Fuck the media
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: ycartrob on Feb 09, 2007, 12:48 PM
So, if you hit the streets today in America, be it New York City or Enid, Oklahoma, and asked folks, "So, did you hear who died yesterday?" how many would say Anna Nicole Smith and how many would say Gilbert Minjares Jr.?
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: MMJ_fanatic on Feb 09, 2007, 12:57 PM
Tragically way more would reply Anna  :(
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: Taterbug on Feb 09, 2007, 01:08 PM
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Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: EAZYE on Feb 09, 2007, 04:48 PM
QuoteSo, if you hit the streets today in America, be it New York City or Enid, Oklahoma, and asked folks, "So, did you hear who died yesterday?" how many would say Anna Nicole Smith and how many would say Gilbert Minjares Jr.?

I don't live to far from Enid, Oklahoma.  Can I ask what made you pick that random location?   Just curious ;)  
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: .Walt on Feb 09, 2007, 05:34 PM
QuoteSo, if you hit the streets today in America, be it New York City or Enid, Oklahoma, and asked folks, "So, did you hear who died yesterday?" how many would say Anna Nicole Smith and how many would say Gilbert Minjares Jr.?

i was probably told that anna died by 5 or 6 different people. 1 person said gilbert minjares jr. that was you tracy. like i said before, thank for keeping to real :)
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: .Walt on Feb 09, 2007, 05:39 PM
i'm listening  to A.M radio, and the  host started off the show saying he will not talk about a anna nicole smith.  thats way i listen to him.
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: MMJ_fanatic on Feb 09, 2007, 06:36 PM
QuoteAssuming Mr. Gilbert Minjares Jr. is one of the 3115 brave young men that gave his LIFE to defend our freedom.  Our current administraition won't glorify his death because of the growing discontent in our fine country. It just adds more fuel to the fire. They even went as far as to instruct all major news outlets not to publish photos of our fallen heroes coffins. Because it is unpatriotic. FUCK THEM.
THEY ARE UN-PATRIOTIC. THEY MAKE STALIN LOOK LIKE A FUCKIN BOY SCOUT.
HONOR OUR FALLEN

Couldn't let this one ride--it seems every soldier who is lost in battle has their stories told on news outlets in their area (I know I have heard about every fallen warrior from the New England area on the news).  That is how it should be by the way--tell the story of the heroic man or woman from the perspective of those who knew them best:  family and friends.  Funerals are private events, as far as I am concerned, and belong to the family and friends of the fallen, even though many of the events are covered as part of the stories of the same fallen heroes.  I don't know what kool-ade dealing website you got the information about the administration from but they need to do some fact checking becasue I see coffins on TV on a regular basis.  Unless your point is to broadcast the negative part of war/conflict which I am pretty sure everyone understands exists--people are hurt, crippled, even killed in war that will be a fact until they come up with robots to do the job.  Lastly hyperbole never serves to strengthen a position in a debate--compare our government (it's not just President Bush and Vice President Cheney who brought this conflict to bear--both legislative bodies put their support behind it too) to a mass murderer is not a very logical route to get your point across.  Someday our country won't have to help people get out of bad situations and that day will be a great one full of global peace but right now there are too many people who want to tear us down and frankly I'd rather see us deal with them in their backyard instead of mine.
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: Taterbug on Feb 09, 2007, 08:13 PM
I sir first of all do not view this as a debate, these are my opinions, I reserve my right to state them as I respect yours.  
Lets go back in way back machine to 2001.
We had a congress controled by Republicans. And a republican president.
Vote totals for the resolution  
house 296-133
congress 77-23
The resolution
The Resolution required President Bush's diplomatic efforts at the UN Security Council to "obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion, and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions." It authorized the United States to use military force to "defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq."

Lets not forget Irag was split into parallels with a no fly zone. In a box so to speak.  Afghanistan is in full blown chaos.
Some questions for ya.
Was Irag a threat to our national security ?
Did We find all the weapons of mass distruction ? or even a finite trace ?
Was our pre-war  intelligence accurate ?
Did we have a plan for success ?
Did we have a post war exit plan ?
If you were a child in Irag how would you view America ?
Are we breeding more terrorism and hatred than we had pre-war ?
If you were traveling abroad would you be proud to call yourself an American or would you tell them you were Canadian ?
This was definitlely a slam fucking dunk was it not ?
Maybe our congress and house should of asked more questions before beating the drums of war, Instead of putting there tails between there legs and saying yes KING GEORGE , whatever you want.  
If you want to continue to support our Pres be my guest.  Your not the only one i'm sure.  His approval ratings are  in the low 30's.  I must admit i'm glad to see him say he made mistakes, makes him look a  little more human.
We NEED to win now or we lose all credibilty. He started this shit storm, he better fucking fix it or they WILL  be walking across the border and fucking wreaking havoc.
It will make Isreal look like the land of OZ.  His track record speaks for itself. Better go out and buy that assualt rifle before he amends our constitutional rights.It might come in handy.
In 2002 when the our soldiers returned home a photographer was questioned for  publishing photos of a row of caskets. Why was he castigated by the white house. Because Bush thinks were idiots thats why.War is not all about fireflies & fairytales as he would let you believe. His war is about oil, revenge and no bid contracts.
I know war is not easy and you must overcome and adapt to all  adversity.  Bush's problem is he has a one track mind and is not open to a change of strategy. It took a change in both houses to get him to change his path. If you don't carry the party line than get the fuck out. That kind of philosophy reminds me of a certain dictator.
With Bush and Cheney and there VAST  military experience you would tend to think they would not put our Soldiers in harms way if it wasn't a TRUE threat to national security.
I do support and sympathize with our troops. I want my friends home. And they want to come home, trust me.  3 fucking tours come on. For what ?
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED  ?
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: MMJ_fanatic on Feb 10, 2007, 12:29 PM
QuoteSo, if you hit the streets today in America, be it New York City or Enid, Oklahoma, and asked folks, "So, did you hear who died yesterday?" how many would say Anna Nicole Smith and how many would say Gilbert Minjares Jr.?
Well he may not have been covered in national news outlets but I am sure the coverage in his home state and town was thorugh and deservedly respectful.  If not, that's too bad because here in New England the fallen heroes are covered with nothing but the highest of praise and respect--which I believe was the central bitch in someone's recent post.

"Faux news"?  Oh brother ::)  "Get my news from the Colbert report"?  kinda like saying cookie monster and elmo are the greatest news correspondents in the world ;D
Course I already understood that hate for Fox news was alive and well--the liberal pack of wolves can't stand that they've been blasted in the ratings by this little voice in the wilderness which mandates both sides--conservative and liberal--are heard in a balanced fashion.  (Tracy--no need to try to cut down Fox again--I already know where you stand)
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: MMJ_fanatic on Feb 10, 2007, 01:07 PM
QuoteI sir first of all do not view this as a debate, these are my opinions, I reserve my right to state them as I respect yours.  
Lets go back in way back machine to 2001.
We had a congress controled by Republicans. And a republican president.
Vote totals for the resolution  
house 296-133
congress 77-23
The resolution
The Resolution required President Bush's diplomatic efforts at the UN Security Council to "obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion, and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions." It authorized the United States to use military force to "defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq."

Lets not forget Irag was split into parallels with a no fly zone. In a box so to speak.  Afghanistan is in full blown chaos.
Some questions for ya.

Was Irag a threat to our national security ?   Based on the fact that they have been a fertile ground for terrorist training and held close ties to terrorist leader bound and determined to destroy the US, YES!  ANd let's not forget that the beloved CLinton "administration" held out the same intelligence on Iraq.

Did We find all the weapons of mass distruction ? or even a finite trace ?  We found the aluminum tubes used in assembling nuclear warheads and biological compounds as well--a fact well downplayed by mainstream media (of course) not too mention that Hussien  himself constantly pumped out propaganda about his terrifying weapons capability extremely convincingly.  Plus the government there spouted non stop anti-U.S. rhetoric.  PLUS he gassed the HELL out of the Kurds to the North,  how long should I go on?  Maybe we should sit back and wait for L.A. or New York to go up in a mushroom cloud.  If we can be pivtotal in setting up a frinedly democratic government in Iraq we will have a 2nd strong ally in a very tempestuous are of the world.

Was our pre-war  intelligence accurate ?  Why don't you ask Bill Clinton?

Did we have a plan for success ?  Yeah we took down a horrible mass murdering dictator and his twisted sons in record time--thus lifting a huge veil of fear from the Iraqi people (you may remember the huge celebration by the residents of Bagdad when the statue fell).

Did we have a post war exit plan ?  I believe we did but it has necessarily been revised due to the terrorist insurgent morons who are afraid to let women have an equal voice in Sharia law based Muslim civilzations and have a inbred , backwardss need to control by force and indiscriminate violence.

If you were a child in Irag how would you view America ?  I would join the Iraqi military as soon as possible so I could help chase out the foreigners who are bringing chaos withe their insurgent techniques

Are we breeding more terrorism and hatred than we had pre-war ?  Guess what?  It has been there for years and will always be there, but we have a driving need to corral it away from us by confronting it where it starts.

If you were traveling abroad would you be proud to call yourself an American or would you tell them you were Canadian ?  I would call myself aht I am and let them feel however they want--maybe thay could do without all the American dollars helping them out...

This was definitlely a slam fucking dunk was it not ?  Based on the fact that insurgent and sectarian violence has dirupted wht could have been a smooth transition in governing style--not a slam dunk, but the ball is circling the rim.

Maybe our congress and house should of asked more questions before beating the drums of war, Instead of putting there tails between there legs and saying yes KING GEORGE there's that hyperbole again!     , whatever you want.  
If you want to continue to support our Pres be my guest.  Your not the only one i'm sure.  His approval ratings are  in the low 30's.  I must admit i'm glad to see him say he made mistakes, makes him look a  little more human.
We NEED to win now or we lose all credibilty. He started this shit storm, he better fucking fix it or they WILL  be walking across the border and fucking wreaking havoc.
It will make Isreal look like the land of OZ   hyperbole! (oops that is opinion, sorry).  His track record speaks for itself. Better go out and buy that assualt rifle before he amends our constitutional rights.It might come in handy.
In 2002 when the our soldiers returned home a photographer was questioned for  publishing photos of a row of caskets. Why was he castigated by the white house. Because Bush thinks were idiots thats why.War is not all about fireflies & fairytales as he would let you believe. His war is about oil, revenge and no bid contracts.
I know war is not easy and you must overcome and adapt to all  adversity.  Bush's problem is he has a one track mind and is not open to a change of strategy. It took a change in both houses to get him to change his path. If you don't carry the party line than get the fuck out. That kind of philosophy reminds me of a certain dictator.
With Bush and Cheney and there VAST  military experience you would tend to think they would not put our Soldiers in harms way if it wasn't a TRUE threat to national security.
I do support and sympathize with our troops. I want my friends home. And they want to come home, trust me.  3 fucking tours come on. For what ?
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED  ?  This quote applies to getting the twisted fuck Saddam the hell out of power but liberals can't help but latch onto it to point out that we're still there.


Lastly I have a question (Yes or No please) for you:  Do you wish for the U.S. to lose in it's endeavor, to help the Iraqi people throw of years of dark ages oppression and establish a beneficient government, or do you wish to see us lose?
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: ycartrob on Feb 10, 2007, 02:47 PM
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Course I already understood that hate for Fox news was alive and well--the liberal pack of wolves can't stand that they've been blasted in the ratings by this little voice in the wilderness which mandates both sides--conservative and liberal--are heard in a balanced fashion.  (Tracy--no need to try to cut down Fox again--I already know where you stand)

Odd how you say Fox is "Fair and Balanced" but you paint people as liberals if they hate Fox news. That's a contradiction. If it's so fair and balanced then why can't conservatives hate it? Wake up.

I slam Fox news so I am automatically a liberal? Is that why I voted for Nader in 2000 and would have voted for Bush over Gore (had Nader not been around)?. Is that why I am pro military, b/c I am a liberal? I have no problem with the NRA, so that makes me a liberal? Thanks for painting me into a corner b/c I don't like Fox news.

Think, please. Don't let the 2 parties lead you to their truth.

I can actually formulate my own opinions without a political affiliation, thanks. I vote on principle, not parties, and I am certainly not down with big news being entertainment, be it pro life or anti gun. I don't like salesmen with cliches like Fair and Balanced. It's a cliche that means nothing. You need to understand that.

And in Nashville, they'll mention briefly (30 seconds or usually less) when a home soldier is killed. And that's for all 3 major TV stations. They don't get the wall to wall coverage that some of the networks are giving Anna Nicole. And that was my original truth. Our soldiers are not treated like the heroes that we say they are. It's all talk.

I suggest you visit a state veterans home and tell me how great we treat our heroes. I worked at a veterans home and the governemt has forgotten about these heroes (except for food, clothing, and shelter). Our listen to wives of soldiers killed who got their medical coverage cut and then hung out to dry. It happens all around.
But that's for a different post.

Good luck.
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: Taterbug on Feb 11, 2007, 10:07 AM
Lastly I have a question (Yes or No please) for you:  Do you wish for the U.S. to lose in it's endeavor, to help the Iraqi people throw of years of dark ages oppression and establish a beneficient government, or do you wish to see us lose?  NO, YES and NO.
                                                                                               
Clinton and Bush had the same intel ?
I do not claim do be republican or democrat.  I am an American.
I am very thankful for your support and time you have given back to our country.
I don't have all the answers. Is time and patience all that is needed to win ?
Whats your plan Stan ? How do we help people who can't put religeous differences behind them ? I don't believe we should be the referee in this fight, sadaam is dead.
Time to go find Osama. Or are we as a nation starting to forget who the real villian was who attacked us on SEPT 11.
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: MMJ_fanatic on Feb 11, 2007, 01:44 PM
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Course I already understood that hate for Fox news was alive and well--the liberal pack of wolves can't stand that they've been blasted in the ratings by this little voice in the wilderness which mandates both sides--conservative and liberal--are heard in a balanced fashion.  (Tracy--no need to try to cut down Fox again--I already know where you stand)

Odd how you say Fox is "Fair and Balanced" but you paint people as liberals if they hate Fox news. That's a contradiction. If it's so fair and balanced then why can't conservatives hate it? Wake up.

My dear Tracy I apologize for my frantic typing--a key word was left out of my post which you quoted and that is MEDIA.  It was meant to read:  "the liberal media pack of wolves..."
But to expand on your point it is true that a vast majority of liberal hate Fox news because it breaks down the coverage provided by the other outlets which follow lockstep with the liberal bastions of media like The New York Times or the LA Times.  That doesn't mean there are plenty of conservatives who can't stand Fox news too, as a matter of fact they write e-mails into the station calling coverage too liberal!  P.S.--I have voted for Nader too in the past, I believe that was the beginning of my alienation from the Dems and the start of my admiration for conservative principles.
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: MMJ_fanatic on Feb 11, 2007, 01:45 PM
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Clinton and Bush had the same intel ?

Yes--the Clinton administraion stated Hussein had weapons which could be used in nasty ways against us and recognized him as a threat.  I still don't understand why Bi Laden wasn't corraled while Bubba was in office.
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: primushead on Feb 12, 2007, 10:42 AM
I hate to help out the no fun police, but the 'to soon' thing is wrong.

It's "too soon".  You bunch of idiots.  Have a nice day.

(http://morningglory2.wordpress.com/files/2006/03/grammarpolice.jpg)


;)
Title: Re: God help us...
Post by: ycartrob on Feb 12, 2007, 12:11 PM
ggg, like the badge, I'll have to use it.

MMJF, I am a little hyper-sensitive when it comes to being labled a "liberal". I work with many on the far left and I sometimes I have to defend George Bush b/c of theirhatred for the Republican party (and when I say hate, I mean it). I don't support Bush, but I will defend the reality that he is not a racist and it's not his fault that the levees in New Orleans failed and it's really not his duty to rush to New Orleans, post Katrina, and protect the city. Katrina response was a cluster fuck from top to bottom, liberals to conservatives. Iraq, on the other hand...

Anyways, thanks for clearing up your statement. We're probably a lot more alike than we are different.
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Post by: primushead on Feb 12, 2007, 02:17 PM
Thanks, Tracy.

I've just finished badging myself.  That doesn't sound good...

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Post by: .Walt on Feb 12, 2007, 04:23 PM
when you're right, you're right. it is too soon.
where did you find a picture of that badge? that was funny.
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Post by: primushead on Feb 12, 2007, 04:35 PM
I just did a google search for grammar police, and it turned up.

I was so happy!  It was exactly what I was looking for.  My post couldn't have done it without the badge. 8-)
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Post by: .Walt on Feb 12, 2007, 09:29 PM
QuoteI just did a google search for grammar police, and it turned up.

I was so happy!  It was exactly what I was looking for.  My post couldn't have done it without the badge. 8-)

the badge did make the post.  ;D