My Morning Jacket

We're a week away from kickoff, folks! It's about that time... time to start predicting your team's Win/Loss, over-analyzing and over-stating the talent on the depth chart, and best of all - It's time to kick the trash talk in high gear, and if you're an LSU, Tennessee, or Auburn fan, start coming up with good excuses...

I'll predict Alabama goes 8-4. The worst I can see the season going is 7-5, the best I could imagine it being would be 10-2.

This is Nick Saban's first year with the Alabama Crimson Tide, so he's working with a team that isn't his own. Thanks to the previous coach and his way about things, we really don't even know what to expect from this team. Last year, Alabama nearly beat Arkansas, and held Florida down for the first half before just giving up. Weeks previous and afterwards, we lost to Mississippi State, Duke, and Vanderbilt... We've seen glimpses of raw talent, but we haven't seen that talent cultivated on the field.

That said, I think Tuscaloosans, above all, are ready for this season to get underway... I'm so ready to have the Saban mania be a result of a win, instead of a result of relief. Yes, we're really glad that we've got a competent coach for the first time in a long time, but the local media just won't shut the fuck up about the "mystery" that is Nick Saban.

I'll also predict that the SEC, once again, dominates the NCAA. I'm picking LSU to take the title against USC in the BCS.


"I don't know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath

I'm really excited as well. I'm pretty happy that BAMA isn't playing a big team next week because I'm gonna be out of town and can't guarantee that I will be around a TV. I guess I'll have to Tivo it. I sure want to make sure that I see Saban's first game with the Tide.

It's very sad to know that Prothro definitely won't be playing. We've had that small amount of hope for over a year now and it's gone. Very sad. I feel really bad for him.

I'm interested to see how JPW does with the receivers this year. Also, the running game will be very different without Darby, so that's gonna be interesting to watch.

'tis one of my favorite times of the year, with the promise of cooler weather and all...

I have a couple of predictions for the season:

The suprise team will be Kansas and I can't say for sure, but they will probably be undefeated going into November. (yes, Kansas!) Mizzou will also be strong and will probably have 1 loss going into November. (my crystal ball is a little fuzzy, it only goes to the first week of November). Cal will not be as strong as people think, and will lose 3 or 4. Ohio St will have their usual bogus #1 ranking until they meet Illini. Oregon will have 1 loss (probably to Cal) and LSU will have 1 loss, that coming at the hands of Kentucky! (yes, Kentucky, probably in OT). Couple of other suprise teams early, but will fade: University South Florida, Boston College, South Carolina, Kentucky, Arizona St.

That's what I am seeing right now...

I predict a USC vs. USC championship. With USC (the one that matters) winning.

Oh, and Clemson stops funding their football program following a 0-12 season capped with a 156-0 defeat to South Carolina. ;)

I predict Appalachian State will crush Michigan this Saturday, at which point North Carolina will become inspired by such a great show of football playing and go on to win the ACC.  

And, Clemson will go 0-12

QuoteI predict Appalachian State will crush Michigan this Saturday, at which point North Carolina will become inspired by such a great show of football playing and go on to win the ACC.  

And, Clemson will go 0-12

Looks like its 2 on 1, Big Come Up.  ;)

QuoteSaban mania

straw hat??

QuoteIt's very sad to know that Prothro definitely won't be playing. We've had that small amount of hope for over a year now and it's gone. Very sad. I feel really bad for him.

I have a pretty good source in with the staff... and I could have told you a year ago that not only was he totally out of the game, but that he'd be lucky if he could walk unaided for the rest of his life. His spirit and tenacity is the only reason he can get around without a cane, these days.

John Parker Wilson is a good athelete... with good enough protection and an aware receiver or two, he could end up being a monster. The big question is whether or not the Offensive Line can hold strong and prevent sacks.

The rushing attack is going to be really, really fun this year. When I went to watch a practice, the other week, Saban had SEVEN halfbacks in pads.

Quotestraw hat??

The straw hat is a much better accessory than the heavy wool of a hounds tooth cap... but the one thing about Nick's new "trademark" look that I just don't understand, is the vest with sleeves underneath thing...

It's been 110 degrees, but he just doesn't give a shit. He loves the vest.

THE YEAR OF THE MOUNTAINEER!  

Ohio State Football rules!!!

If then had a tournament that was worth a shit I'd be more excited but I find college football a little anti-climatic compared to nfl or college BB

i'm also interested to see how UofL does without the old coach, we still have plenty of talent.

Now that you mention it, have we had a discussion about how the BCS system sucks and how there should definitely be a playoff system?

Because, in my opinion, the BCS system sucks and they really should have a playoff system.

QuoteNow that you mention it, have we had a discussion about how the BCS system sucks and how there should definitely be a playoff system?

Because, in my opinion, the BCS system sucks and they really should have a playoff system.

it's difficult to talk about college football without talking about that.  The BCS sucks!!!

The BCS system sucks and they really should have a playoff system.

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QuoteNow that you mention it, have we had a discussion about how the BCS system sucks and how there should definitely be a playoff system?

Because, in my opinion, the BCS system sucks and they really should have a playoff system.

it's difficult to talk about college football without talking about that.  The BCS sucks!!!

 :'( I don't care about a national championship. I just want to see our bowls! (Rose, Orange, Sugar, Fiesta)

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QuoteNow that you mention it, have we had a discussion about how the BCS system sucks and how there should definitely be a playoff system?

Because, in my opinion, the BCS system sucks and they really should have a playoff system.

it's difficult to talk about college football without talking about that.  The BCS sucks!!!

 :'( I don't care about a national championship. I just want to see our bowls! (Rose, Orange, Sugar, Fiesta)

wow. i thought only talking heads on tv thought that.

My team is a BCS team that usually gets a fair shake from the writers and I still hate the BCS.  I like watching the Rose Bowls for years but give me an actual national championship and you won't hear me complaining.

Hmmm...there could be a comprimise made here. Prehaps they do the traditional conference winners bowls (Orange, etc.) and then build a playoff from there?

The problem with a playoff is that you can't make it too long, or the players will be worn out, and you can't make it too short, or many teams will feel snubbed. I think that 8 teams is the best you can make it. Normal BCS bowls: conference winners from the "big five" confrences, 1 non-BCS team, and 2 other teams. That would seem about as fair as you could get it.

eight teams would be great.  it's a lot better than two anyway.  last year osu had over a month between their last game and their bowl game.  surely they could fit a couple games in in the interim.  

a comprise is kind of what they have now and it's made it so that the classic bowls are bastarized so that teams from any conference can now played in them and the national championship is STILL a joke.

I'd like to see the BCS system worked on, for sure, but there has to be a way to do this without having the season stretch into February or March. I'll also agree that I'd like to see the Rose Bowl and others still have some sort of relevance and shine to them... The Cotton Bowl and Orange Bowl, Sugar Bowl and Rose Bowl, especially.

There's nothing totally wrong with having bowls like the Nokia Emerald Bowl or Nike Swoosh Bowl, as it gives folks one last chance to see their team, but I want to see the classic bowls restored to their previous glory.

QuoteI'd like to see the BCS system worked on, for sure, but there has to be a way to do this without having the season stretch into February or March. I'll also agree that I'd like to see the Rose Bowl and others still have some sort of relevance and shine to them... The Cotton Bowl and Orange Bowl, Sugar Bowl and Rose Bowl, especially.

There's nothing totally wrong with having bowls like the Nokia Emerald Bowl or Nike Swoosh Bowl, as it gives folks one last chance to see their team, but I want to see the classic bowls restored to their previous glory.

Agreed.  :) A playoff system involving this, worked out the right way, could help give the old bowls more significance as part of a playoff system. Maybe it could have the major "bowls" be played also as first-round games, then separated into east champinship/west championship for the final four, and then the national championship. Keep the other, smaller bowls (though I think we have more than enough already). This way, the season would only last 2 weeks past the New Year's Day bowls.

The problem is that if some teams feel snubbed for not being part of the national championship, they will feel just as snubbed by not making the playoffs. Once people can learn to live with the fact that not every playoff-worthy team will get in, we can move on.

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QuoteI'd like to see the BCS system worked on, for sure, but there has to be a way to do this without having the season stretch into February or March. I'll also agree that I'd like to see the Rose Bowl and others still have some sort of relevance and shine to them... The Cotton Bowl and Orange Bowl, Sugar Bowl and Rose Bowl, especially.

There's nothing totally wrong with having bowls like the Nokia Emerald Bowl or Nike Swoosh Bowl, as it gives folks one last chance to see their team, but I want to see the classic bowls restored to their previous glory.

Agreed.  :) A playoff system involving this, worked out the right way, could help give the old bowls more significance as part of a playoff system. Maybe it could have the major "bowls" be played also as first-round games, then separated into east champinship/west championship for the final four, and then the national championship. Keep the other, smaller bowls (though I think we have more than enough already). This way, the season would only last 2 weeks past the New Year's Day bowls.

The problem is that if some teams feel snubbed for not being part of the national championship, they will feel just as snubbed by not making the playoffs. Once people can learn to live with the fact that not every playoff-worthy team will get in, we can move on.

Anything would be better than what happened to Auburn a couple of years ago (go undefeated and be ranked number 2 b/c there's no playoff) and hell, I hate Auburn.

There's less of an argument with who gets left out in a 12 team playoff format than the bullshit of having 2 undefeated teams at the end of a season. Absolutely makes no sense from a sports perspective. Can you imagine the Colts and Bears ending up undefeated last year and so the sportswriters or coaches pick a champion? Bullshit.  It's about greed, it's not about the sport of college football. Once they figure out how much interest and money the playoff system will make, they'll feel real dumb for waiting so long.

It's just a matter of time until the nonsense stops.

Yeah, Alabama in '66 and Auburn in '03... both great examples of where an undefeated team is shafted out of the National Title game due to politics. That's all it was, folks, pure political.

Prediciton:  Florida State 24  Alabama 10.  Any takers?

Alabama 42 FSU 13

QuoteAlabama 42 FSU 13

I didn't know ya'll were playing Fresno State this season.  Good luck!    :P

Watching LSU and Miss State.  College football and Sky Blue Sky....it doesn't get much better.  

It's the 3rd quarter now. It was a pretty good 1st half, but it looks like LSU is about to run away with it.

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i'm from a BIG College Football state...Minnesota?? yeah i lied, i really can't get into college football.

college hockey, thats a different story...love it!!

http://www.gump4heisman.com/

This site is where I got the Saban picture from above. They have several other "alternate SI covers" as well. The top story today is :

7:45 A.M. - Henig visits Waffle House, throws 3 more INTs over coffee

;D

There's some pretty funny Michael Vick stories as well as some other Alabama stuff.

Alabama 31
West Carolina(?) 3

A low prediction, most folks are saying there'll be at least 40 from the Bama offense and probably a return or two between defense and special teams. I'm just excited to be there and to finally get this season going.


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I hope Cal destroys Tennessee.

Currently: App St. 31, Michigan 26.

Go Happy Appy!  :D :D ;)

Appalachian St- 34
Michigan- 32

Good grief. Do we need any more proof that the Big 10 is the most overrated conference in the nation?

Hilarious!

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Huskers are rollin

Bad news, I cannot go to the Nebraksa - Missouri game. I was told NO. I'm a little ticked about that, but uttered the safest thinkg all husbands should say for a happy, healthy marriage, YES DEAR.

QuoteI predict Appalachian State will crush Michigan this Saturday, at which point North Carolina will become inspired by such a great show of football playing and go on to win the ACC.  

And, Clemson will go 0-12

Part 1 complete!  ;D

Georgia Tech 33
Notre Dame 3

Beautiful...

;D

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QuoteI predict Appalachian State will crush Michigan this Saturday, at which point North Carolina will become inspired by such a great show of football playing and go on to win the ACC.  

And, Clemson will go 0-12

Part 1 complete!  ;D

INDEED!!!!!!  

I can't believe what I saw.  I'm really pissed that I'm not in Boone anymore, but go APPS!!!!!!!  What an upset, and a game for the ages.

It's heeeeeerrreeeeeeee!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmAYpAzNB34

I wonder how ol' Horkolad is doing after the Michigan loss.

Louisville 38
Middle Tennesse St 35

AT HALFTIME!!!

WTF!!!!!

QuoteLouisville 38
Middle Tennesse St 35

AT HALFTIME!!!

WTF!!!!!

That shit is crazy!  Now it's 51-42 with a whole quarter left!  I'm bouncing back and forth with the NFL Season Kickoff.  Football is underway! [smiley=beer.gif]

Michigan looks good this year...

QuoteMichigan looks good this year...

rose bowl for sure.

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QuoteMichigan looks good this year...

rose bowl for sure.

Nah, BCS Championship.

SC up 10-3 over Georgia at the half. This looks good.

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QuoteMichigan looks good this year...

rose bowl for sure.

Nah, BCS Championship.

SC up 10-3 over Georgia at the half. This looks good.

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South Carolina 16, Georgia 12 [size=12]FINAL[/size]

Well SC beating GA helps out the Huskers move up!!!!!

Go Ducks!!
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MIZZOU! 2-0

QuoteMIZZOU! 2-0

Better still, NU 2-0. Cannot wait for Oct 6!

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QuoteMIZZOU! 2-0

Better still, NU 2-0. Cannot wait for Oct 6!

Yeah I know, it's going to be a tough one for us!  

good weekend = a win for alabama and a loss for auburn

also, my small college (wku) beat weat va tech 87 to nothing. jesus. i did not know scores like this were possible.

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Better still, NU 2-0. Cannot wait for Oct 6!

Yeah I know, it's going to be a tough one for us!  

Sadly, I am outnumbered here between you and BH. I think there may be a few more MO fans here lurking in the dark.

OU 2-0!! 8-) 8-)
Nice little ass-whoopin we put on Miami moves us up to #3 in the polls.  
TEO and BH after we beat down the shorthorns from Texas, you guys are up next! ;)
And mj if nebraska makes it to the Big 12 title game I'm going with the same results from last year.  Good Luck. ;)

QuoteOU 2-0!! 8-) 8-)
Nice little ass-whoopin we put on Miami moves us up to #3 in the polls.  
TEO and BH after we beat down the shorthorns from Texas, you guys are up next! ;)
And mj if nebraska makes it to the Big 12 title game I'm going with the same results from last year.  Good Luck. ;)

I was wondering, when the Sooners cheated in '04 or '05 and they had to sacrifice all of their wins, does Mizzou get to add a win to their record?  Do we get to go back in time and play a better bowl game?  I'm confused. ;)

It was '05 and we really didn't cheat.  Just doing what we have always done, dating back to when King Switzer was here and that's pay our best players. :-?   But that being said I'm sure it goes on elsewhere we just happened to get caught.

oops, wrong thread.  go buckeyes

QuoteIt was '05 and we really didn't cheat.  Just doing what we have always done, dating back to when King Switzer was here and that's pay our best players. :-?   But that being said I'm sure it goes on elsewhere we just happened to get caught.

Yes it does. Even Saint Osborne had a few friends that took care of the players. And for goodness sake he kept Lawrence Phillips around. What a nutters.

And yes, if we make it to the Big 12 Championship (and that is a big if as the QB cannot seem to throw for shite but the running game is looking good), someone will be spanking the Huskers ass. I have a sad feeling Saturday is going to be a bloodbath. I just hope they can keep it respectable.

OH and I take great GREAT joy in Michigan and Notre Dame being 0-2, especially Notre Dame. Sorry Irish fans, I just hate and/or strongly dislike that school.

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QuoteIt was '05 and we really didn't cheat.  Just doing what we have always done, dating back to when King Switzer was here and that's pay our best players. :-?   But that being said I'm sure it goes on elsewhere we just happened to get caught.

Yes it does. Even Saint Osborne had a few friends that took care of the players. And for goodness sake he kept Lawrence Phillips around. What a nutters.

And yes, if we make it to the Big 12 Championship (and that is a big if as the QB cannot seem to throw for shite but the running game is looking good), someone will be spanking the Huskers ass. I have a sad feeling Saturday is going to be a bloodbath. I just hope they can keep it respectable.

OH and I take great GREAT joy in Michigan and Notre Dame being 0-2, especially Notre Dame. Sorry Irish fans, I just hate and/or strongly dislike that school.

STRONG agreement with the ND-MI feeling!   :)

Alabama is looking for an upset against Arkansas... I'll be there in an hour or so.

8-)

Auburn got beat by Miss. State. Beautiful.

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Auburn got beat by Miss. State. Beautiful.

highlight of my day thusfar.

we're down by 7 with 8 minutes to go. i hope the tide can pull through.
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Auburn got beat by Miss. State. Beautiful.

highlight of my day thusfar.

check that. highlight of my day is seeing jpw throw a touchdown pass with 14 seconds left in the game.

41 bama
38 arkansas

word.

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fucking ugh.....jesus that was horrible.

Words cannot express how amazing that game was... words can't express how good it felt to sing Rammer Jammer after that one.

MIZZOU AGAIN!    :) :) :)    Although once again the opposing team did score more points in the second half. We have got to find out what is up with our D late in the game.

Quotefucking ugh.....jesus that was horrible.

Positives: watching your guys come down that tunnel onto the field. what a field, different shades of green etc. that corner suite on one of the endzones, i want to go there with you to watch a game!----- Sorry about your loss, I wanted so badly to see USC go down as well.   :(  

Damn I hate Florida,but they look scary as hell...Looked like a little home cooking in Bama last night ;)

how did that happen?  

uk 40
louisville 34

wow. i saw it and i still don't believe it.   :'(

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Quotefucking ugh.....jesus that was horrible.

Positives: watching your guys come down that tunnel onto the field. what a field, different shades of green etc. that corner suite on one of the endzones, i want to go there with you to watch a game!----- Sorry about your loss, I wanted so badly to see USC go down as well.   :(  

Yeah Memorial Stadium is an unreal place

Louisville lost because they have absolutely no defense out there. I've never heard of Middle Tennessee getting 42 points on a #8 ranked team, until Louisville had that ridiculous shoot-out two weeks ago.

God, I love college football.

Notre Dame is now 0-3 with bowl eligibility... I guess they'll rematch Michigan in the Sugar Bowl. Tennessee lost, which is always satisfying for me - this one was bittersweet, since Florida had to win. Auburn lost to Mississippi State, which brings me indescribable joy.

And as far as the Alabama v. Arkansas game goes... My left ear is ringing really, really bad this morning. I left Bryant-Denny Stadium feeling like my face melted off somewhere in those 60 minutes of play... That game was a total emotional roller coaster, and I'm afraid it only gets crazier from here...

...@ Vanderbilt, #16 Arkansas, #23 Georgia, @ Florida St., #1 LSU, @ Auburn...

I'm still holding onto my prediction of an 8-4 season... It looks like we're going bowling, though.

A BIG congrats. to your victory yesterday!   :)

Quote#1 LSU

Not after next week!  ;)

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Good grief. Do we need any more proof that the Big 10 is the most overrated conference in the nation?

#7 Wisconsin 45
The Citadel 31

Florida Atlantic 42
Minnesota 39

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Quote#1 LSU

Not after next week!  ;)

Please, by all means, beat those coonasses before they come to Tuscaloosa. You take down LSU for us, and we'll take down Tennessee for you... deal?


...and ROLL TIDE, to add insult to Arkansas' injury, we've just taken their spot as #16 in the nation!

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Quotefucking ugh.....jesus that was horrible.

Positives: watching your guys come down that tunnel onto the field. what a field, different shades of green etc. that corner suite on one of the endzones, i want to go there with you to watch a game!----- Sorry about your loss, I wanted so badly to see USC go down as well.   :(  

Yeah Memorial Stadium is an unreal place

I'll go ahead and second this emotion.  I love the school I graduated from and our football team, but absolutely despise our fans :-[  We have some of the biggest homers in the world.  Been to Memorial Stadium twice and would have to say both times were amazing and can't say I've ever met any better college football fans! ;)  The OU vs. NU rivalry is one of my faves.

Oh and by the way we're now 3-0 and our offense has no plans of slowing down :)

tomorrow is saturday, the best day of the week.

god, i heart sec football.

What other kind of football is there, besides SEC Football?  :-/

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LSU (#1)
Florida (#2)
South Carolina (#12)
Alabama (#16)
Kentucky (#21)
Georgia (#22)

when it comes to football, nothing does it for me quite like the dirty south.

i like that new big al avatar, sir. :-*

QuoteWhat other kind of football is there, besides SEC Football?  :-/

See Also:

LSU (#1)
Florida (#2)
South Carolina (#12)
Alabama (#16)
Kentucky (#21)
Georgia (#22)

I can't argue with that, but the Big 12 comes close....

(I used the USA today poll, because the numbers are better ;))

Oklahoma (#4)
Texas (#6)
Texas A&M (#16)
Nebraska (#22)
Missouri (#25)
Texas Tech (#28)

By the way, what happened to USC?  Are you boycotting them as a legitimate school?

I think USC has to be the most legit football program in the country...

Does anyone think they'll go undefeated this season?  It's looking that way right now.  And, I know, they haven't really had that crucial game against a worthy foe yet (although #14 Nebraska was very good) and I know I'll probably get a response like, "Man, if they played LSU, they would STOMP those bastards".  But get real.  USC looks like a dominating power again and I'm taking them to win the national championship.  Alabama will be playing them for it of course ;)

QuoteAlabama will be playing them for it of course ;)

:-*

Roll Tide! 2000SABAN.

go ball state! Yeah right, just don't kick them in the balls MJ! ;)

Okay, okay... I'll admit that it may seem as though I'm going cheap on USC by not even giving them #2 over Florida... but hear me out. I honestly see Florida as the better team, when compared to USC. First of all, Florida got the shaft in the pre-season rankings, and should have been ranked #1 to begin with. I'm of the old school, I believe the defending champ should be defending champ from the #1 spot no matter what. Secondly, I think there are only two teams capable of beating LSU in the SEC, and Florida is one of them.

Wanna guess who the other team is? I'll give you a hint... there's one coach out there who knows the LSU playbook better than anyone else. And it's not because he once worked for Bill Belicheat.

My top 5 right now, by the way...

#1 LSU
#2 Florida
#3 USC
#4 Oklahoma
#5 Notre Dame (?)

Now, about Alabama... I think after this weekend, folks may start to see some substance in the whispers of the Tide being the Dark Horse for the National Title. You can scoff, that's fine. I know it won't happen this year, but very, very soon, the sort of dominance you see in LSU will be mirrored at the University of Alabama.

Take a look at the slobberknocker that was that Arkansas game... we're essentially looking at an even more undermanned team than the one that went 6-7 last season, that is now beating the door down on it's way into the AP Top 15 within THREE games. That's a huge indication that this program has righted its course and the polls recognize that, however reluctantly. Honestly, I think our defense is looking alot like the one we had in '92...

But... Will the Tide go undefeated? Not a chance. We're an 8-4 team with not a single defensive player to spare, and we just happen to be standing in LSU's way to the ring... One major advantage that may miraculously tilt everything askew and produce an upset, though, is that most of our tough games are at home, and Bryant-Denny Stadium has never, ever been as loud as it was last weekend.

Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised to see USC and Oklahoma disappear from the top 5 very, very soon. Also, keep your eyes on Steve Spurrier and the way he attacks LSU. If there is one coach capable of illustrating a team's weakness... The Coach is the one to do it. He can't win this one, not in the Valley, but I guarantee you that everyone will be watching to see if the Coach can find something of an attack angle.

You're kidding about Notre Dame being number 5 right?  

QuoteYou're kidding about Notre Dame being number 5 right?  

you better say yes, or you've lost all credibility.

Go Buckeyes!!!  

Big Ten still rules!  Everyone knows that Michigan sucks! (okay I'm half-joking)

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you better say yes, or you've lost all credibility.

Go Buckeyes!!!  

Big Ten still rules!  Everyone knows that Michigan sucks! (okay I'm half-joking)

No, you're not joking at all  ;)

Yes, I was being sarcastic about Notre Dame being #5 in the nation. But would it really surprise anyone if they were ranked at the end of this weekend (win or lose, really)? We're talking about Notre Shame, here, people...  

As a Bammer, I am of course obligated to go to my grave with the meanest disposition towards Notre Dame for it's having stolen what was rightfully Bear Bryant's. I speak, of course, of the 1966 National Title. I would wager, even, that most Crimson Tide fans feel a stronger "hate" towards Notre Dame than we do for the barners down there in Aubarn. We don't exactly have to worry about them stealing titles from us.

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"At Alabama, we teach our men to win. When you're number one, you don't play for the tie."

"I don't know, we haven't played Alabama yet," Vince Lombardi, after being asked what it felt like to be the greatest football team in the world just after winning the '66 Super Bowl.

OU isn't going anywhere soon Angry!  Alabama will be out of the top 25 before we are out of the top 5 buddy ;)  Our schedule suits us so much better.  Texas is way down this year ;D and our offense is looking unSTOOPSable.  I do think Saban will turn your program around just not this year ;)

That being said if LSU runs the table in the SEC the national title is theirs hands down!  Noone will beat them in the Sugar Bowl in New Orleans.  Their fans are ridiculous down there.

QuoteI think USC has to be the most legit football program in the country...

Does anyone think they'll go undefeated this season?  It's looking that way right now.  And, I know, they haven't really had that crucial game against a worthy foe yet (although #14 Nebraska was very good) and I know I'll probably get a response like, "Man, if they played LSU, they would STOMP those bastards".  But get real.  USC looks like a dominating power again and I'm taking them to win the national championship.  Alabama will be playing them for it of course ;)

I think they're kinda overrated this year. Sure they've got experience and depth at just about all the positions, but who are the real standout players? Is there anything that really makes them that much better than last year? And is there anyone else really worthy in that confrence? Sure UCLA and Cal are alright, and Oregon seems pretty good, but there's no one challenging them in the Pac-10.

Florida and LSU, on the other hand, look like genuine title contenders. But Spurrier will take them down.  ;)

I'm gonna go with LSU for the title. I'm tired of people shittin' on the SEC. It's our year, bitches.

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Let me tell you, man... when he came down with that ball, I went INSANE. The entire stadium was on it's feet, standing on the chairs... it was total pandemonium. I believe that got the ESPN Game-changing performance scholarship money.

If PSU plays Michigan today like it's 1980, I will throw up. But I already have a bucket at my side this morning because all PSU fans know the way this game will be played, just hopefully the D steps up and gets the win...like usual on the road cause god forbid, we let Bell, Butler or Quarless open up the passing game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or let Williams return all punt returns, or not have him line up in the back field and think that really fools anyone when he gets the ball every time he is back there, or that we won't call 5-15 swing/bubble passes that EVERYONE knows is coming and watch Mich take them back for a pick 6...but that's the way it is...

I just needed to vent before I get angry watching the game. At least I had tickets on the 30 yd line for when they crushed Notre Dame...I couldn't have more hatred for a college than ND, so that will likely by the highlight of the season.

I can't believe Ball State came so close!

The oldest collegiate stadium in the country (since 1903) will be lit tonight for the very first time! The guys at Harvard finally got the switch figured out.   ;)

QuoteI can't believe Ball State came so close!

I was taking Nitro pills today. gawd

U of L lost to Syracuse!??! WTF?

So long top 25.

What a day! MIZZOU 4-0, Notre Dame 0-4, Harvard lit for first time, there was a dogpile, and SEC is still the best!

AND, the faked field goal with the flea flicker over the shoulder by the LSU holder that was run in for a touchdown!

Just popping in to give props to Kentucky... they've snuck into the Top 15, which is pretty remarkable, considering it is Kentucky. Unfortunately, they're about to take a good four or five quality losses by the year's end.

Also... Alabama, despite the media's bias, is still listed in the Top 25. We're at #22 in the Nation, Georgia's rank before the OT win. I actually like Alabama's chances to end the season ranked better... we'll see.


Louisville is finally off the charts... If they ever build a defense, they'll be scary.

No sign of Notre Dame on the charts for some reason? I predicted they'd go 0-4 before their first win, but I also gave them a 6-6 year overall... Obviously, I was being way, way too generous. Anyway... Am I the only one who cracked up at seeing Regis giving a pep-talk to the "Fighting" Irish? Michigan gets the Gladiator, the Cinderella Man, and all Notre Dame can find is Regis?

Oh yea, and Oklahoma looks real good. Lookout for Texas, though... they've been sucking hard this year and sneaking out with close calls - they may feel a little more urgency to prove their manhood up against the Sooners.

thanks for the shout out Angry ;)  If Texas beats us....words can't even express how I will feel.  Tough loss to Georgia, that crowd looked like it was going crazy all night.  Good luck with the rest of that tough SEC schedule

Last night, the #18 ranked South Florida Bulls (the "never heard of 'em" boys) somehow beat the sound, but over-rated, #5 West Virginia. Very, very impressive win on USF's part, even if WVU was more of 10th place team. Big kudos to those guys for playing totally out of their class and winning.

#1 LSU and Tulane are having a picnic or something, today... Apparently, these two have an in-state rivalry? Considering Tulane hasn't won said rivalry in over 20 years, coincidentally the last time it beat a ranked team, it's hard not to consider this a BYE week.

#3 USC is scheduled to humor someone, somewhere. I'll pick whoever the fuck that is, to totally upset USC... and I don't even know who it is.


...and the game that the entire world is waiting to see...

#22 Alabama at Florida State

FSU bothers me, here... They aren't that great of a team, certainly nowhere near as good as Georgia. Still, since before the season I've had this game circled on the calender as one of those, "Don't talk too much smack" days. Of the grayscale games that really bothered me as totally unpredictable, this was the last of the three where I was reluctant to chalk it up as an easy win (the other two were #16 Arkansas and #22 Georgia).

I'm thinking Alabama is going to be set to redeem itself, even though they were far from shamed last week, but the boys will show a newfound tenacity that'll make Bobby Bowden proud.

One thing to keep an eye on - the Bama line is hell-bent to get some sacks, as they've been a total let down so far. They really had an eye on Georgia's QB, but never really got to him... so this is where the linemen may finally be able to exercise their frustration.

Tennessee is off this week, finaly a week of college football I can truly enjoy.

QuoteLast night, the #18 ranked South Florida Bulls (the "never heard of 'em" boys) somehow beat the sound, but over-rated, #5 West Virginia. Very, very impressive win on USF's part, even if WVU was more of 10th place team. Big kudos to those guys for playing totally out of their class and winning.

Totally out of their class? Last year the Bulls went to Morgantown and beat West Virginia and earlier this year they beat Auburn at Auburn. They have a good team.

What is the Deal with LSU's offensive line today?   The Tulane Green Wave has gotten more pressure on the quartback today than Tennessee's defense has gotten in the last three seasons combined.

I think Sylvester Croom might have just officially lost his job with that punt, there were 3 min. left and he was only down by Ten.  WTF!!

      F           U             C              K !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I want to throw up :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/  Give credit to Colorado, their defense is pretty stout.  We just looked like we were playing not to lose.

Now if you will excuse me I've got a case and a half to polish off. :-[

Yeah, that was a pretty intense game.

Gotta give props to the kicker for the 45 yard, clock expiring game winner.

I can only hope that USC receives a similiar upset.

I know nothing of foosball but i hope all your favorite teams win and all your wildest dreams come true!

QuoteYeah, that was a pretty intense game.

Gotta give props to the kicker for the 45 yard, clock expiring game winner.

I can only hope that USC receives a similiar upset.

Gregg, our defense definitely racked some disciprine! :-/

QuoteI think Sylvester Croom might have just officially lost his job with that punt, there were 3 min. left and he was only down by Ten.  WTF!!

word out of Starkpatch is Croom has until next year to prove something.

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QuoteLast night, the #18 ranked South Florida Bulls (the "never heard of 'em" boys) somehow beat the sound, but over-rated, #5 West Virginia. Very, very impressive win on USF's part, even if WVU was more of 10th place team. Big kudos to those guys for playing totally out of their class and winning.

Totally out of their class? Last year the Bulls went to Morgantown and beat West Virginia and earlier this year they beat Auburn at Auburn. They have a good team.

You won't find many people who will name USF in the same class as West Virginia, or even Auburn. Take a look at Boise State the year before last, it's the same thing.

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QuoteLast night, the #18 ranked South Florida Bulls (the "never heard of 'em" boys) somehow beat the sound, but over-rated, #5 West Virginia. Very, very impressive win on USF's part, even if WVU was more of 10th place team. Big kudos to those guys for playing totally out of their class and winning.

Totally out of their class? Last year the Bulls went to Morgantown and beat West Virginia and earlier this year they beat Auburn at Auburn. They have a good team.

You won't find many people who will name USF in the same class as West Virginia, or even Auburn. Take a look at Boise State the year before last, it's the same thing.

I think they've proven their in the same class as WVU, two years in row, no matter what "many people" say.

As far as the FSU / Bama game goes... I was pretty surprised at how boring the whole game was for the first three quarters. I don't know what's going on with Bama's offense, but if they played the first three quarters the same way they've played the fourth, we'd probably be undefeated.

Maybe Saban should play a different quarterback until the fourth quarter - as poor JPW doesn't seem to do much until he's only got a good minute or two left to redeem himself. For a minute there, I was seriously thinking we'd come back from 14 and actually see Overtime, again.

We even had the onsides kick, but poor Jimmy Johns' helmet clipped the ball before the 10 yards rule... I could almost taste a comeback.


Coaching, once again, was solid, in my opinion. I can't help but be very optimistic about our future... including this season, believe it or not.

Clemson upset by GT. Finally, those boys get what they deserve.

Washington up 7 over USC! (the other one ::))

QuoteClemson upset by GT. Finally, those boys get what they deserve.

Washington up 7 over USC! (the other one ::))

flordia's losing too.  Lots of upsets! I love it!

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QuoteI think Sylvester Croom might have just officially lost his job with that punt, there were 3 min. left and he was only down by Ten.  WTF!!

word out of Starkpatch is Croom has until next year to prove something.

Yeah Croom has had until next year for a few years now.  They aren't bad this year but much like Tennessee it seems like they have to play perfect football to win.  Mississippi State is never going to be good no matter who their coach is anyway.

Auburn just played a PERFECT half of football but Florida hasn't even started to warm up on offense yet.  Florida will come out and score about 30 points in the second half.  For some reason they really start slow on offense.  

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QuoteI think Sylvester Croom might have just officially lost his job with that punt, there were 3 min. left and he was only down by Ten.  WTF!!

word out of Starkpatch is Croom has until next year to prove something.

Yeah Croom has had until next year for a few years now.  They aren't bad this year but much like Tennessee it seems like they have to play perfect football to win.  Mississippi State is never going to be good no matter who their coach is anyway.

Auburn just played a PERFECT half of football but Florida hasn't even started to warm up on offense yet.  Florida will come out and score about 30 points in the second half.  For some reason they really start slow on offense.  

Florida upset!!! And USC's not outta the woods yet, either!

Holy SHit!!!  I LOVE S.E.C football, What a game!  I flipped over to the USC game a few times and the diffrence in the crowd noise is hillarious.  Brent Mussberger sucks to.  Thank God I'm A Country Boy!    

QuoteHoly SHit!!!  I LOVE S.E.C football, What a game!  I flipped over to the USC game a few times and the diffrence in the crowd noise is hillarious.  Brent Mussberger sucks to.  Thank God I'm A Country Boy!    

;D Pac-10 is most overrated confrence in country. The SEC owns football this year. I don't think anyone can stop LSU (I mean, if the Gamecocks can't beat them, who can? ;))

Well, what's awesome about SEC football is that I know for a fact Florida will give LSU a GREAT game next week.  I predict Florida to win that game by at least 10 points.  

People at Pac-10 games seem like they are just happy to be out of the house in the SEC they seem like they are happy to be at church.  

South Carolina is going to be awesome if they can ever get a really good quarterback.  What is it about Spurrier and getting crappy quarterbacks, HE LOVES THEM!

Our defence is beaten up. Badly. Injuries on the line, and now a loss of Jasper Brinkley.

If only we still had Sidney Rice... :'(

yeah, Jasper Brinkley was a HUGE loss, it made me really sad.  I hate to see teams lose players, even when they are rivals of my team.  I'm also actually a big time Spurrier FAN even though I'm a Vol fan, I mean I bleed orange, and I still Love that guy.    

10-6!

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FUCK TEXAS!  

Alright BH, since I have a fuck load of bets at work since there are 2 NU grads amongst about 1000+ MO grads, I think it's time for one here. Nothing off the wall like shaved heads or anything like that. I like my job and that might not sit well with the straights there. Besides the pace that it's falling out now I wont need to shave it soon anyway.

Loser buys lunch? Not sure if you still hit the Square or not for visits any longer and not sure if your office is out in St Chuck or in town. We can work something out.

Teo- if you were in town here, same bet would be own. Since you are not, bag of coffee for a bag of tea? Loser buys?

QuoteAlright BH, since I have a fuck load of bets at work since there are 2 NU grads amongst about 1000+ MO grads, I think it's time for one here. Nothing off the wall like shaved heads or anything like that. I like my job and that might not sit well with the straights there. Besides the pace that it's falling out now I wont need to shave it soon anyway.

Loser buys lunch? Not sure if you still hit the Square or not for visits any longer and not sure if your office is out in St Chuck or in town. We can work something out.

Teo- if you were in town here, same bet would be own. Since you are not, bag of coffee for a bag of tea? Loser buys?

I will send you a custom made JJ silicone wristband if MIZZOU loses.

Deal

The two best games are on at the same time.  Ohio State vs Purdue and LSU vs Flordia.

I'll definitely be watching OSU-Purdue.  I come from a family of boilermakers but I root for OSU and they're both undefeated (a lot of bragging rights there!)

I have a feeling that OSU is gonna' ROLL.......

How the hell is Wisconsin, the #5 team in the nation, a 2 point dog to unranked Illinois?

(or, if Wisconsin is a 2 point dog to unranked Illinois, why is Wisconsin ranked #5?)

They have been moving people around in the polls way to much if you ask me.  The way the polls were last week was a joke because everyone knows it won't stick.  Kentucky will lose four more games this year and Oklahoma won't lose anymore yet they had Kentuky ahead of Oklahoma in that last poll......It's silly.

Sweet, UNC finally won a meaningful game.  Way to go Butch!

DARK, Clemson is in the process of getting stomped.  Art thou happy?

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FUCK TEXAS!  

HEY JOHNNY RAGE HOW BOUT THEM SHORTHORNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT T-SHIRT DID YOU MAKE THIS YEAR

MY YEAR IS COMPLETE ;D

QuoteDARK, Clemson is in the process of getting stomped.  Art thou happy?

The Dark has been appeased.  ;D

Alabama 30
Houston 24

This was one of the worst looking games I've seen in a long, long time. It was so bad that walking across the quad after the game, you would have assumed we lost miserably, not that we won our homecoming game.

First of all... The officials were doing their absolute best to hand the win to Houston. Houston got two sideline warnings, with no yard losses... The play-clock was abused, stopping for Houston even without a first down (or incomplete pass, or run out of bounds). Houston was given a handful of free timeouts, especially during the fourth quarter, without being charged and without the playclock moving. On a number of occasions, the refs intentionally prevented a Houston delay of game by throwing the flag or blowing the whistle, only to nullify the penalty and have a do-over free-of-charge.

There were just tons upon tons of absolutely stupid calls. At one point, the head referee actually accused someone in the crowd of using a whistle... because they ran out of fucking excuses to save Houston from the delay of game. What a fucking joke... (funny sidenote, though... after the ref accused us of using his whistle, the crowd whistled like hell on the next down)

Meanwhile... Alabama was playing almost as awful as they were under Shula. The game came down to the last 5 seconds on the 25 yard line, where Houston needed an endzone catch to win... Absolutely pathetic. The ball isn't being moved, the playcalls could be better derived from a 12 year old on his Playstation.

This is Alabama, we should have had the damn shutout... up against a damned Conference USA team, for fuck sake.

If we're going to win another game, Coach better kick some asses this week... because they aren't playing like winners. The routes are sloppy, the running on the routes is lazy, and these kids are giving up 30 points per game, at this rate.

Damnit!


Roll Tide.

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This was one of the worst looking games I've seen in a long, long time. It was so bad that walking across the quad after the game, you would have assumed we lost miserably, not that we won our homecoming game.

Bama was obviously looking past Houston to next week's game in Oxford...

The Florida/LSU game is on, right now... Great matchup, so far!

OK, LSU has 4th and 1 on the 6, down 24-21 with 2:15 left in the game, and they go for it? And make it?

Probably one of the best football games I have ever seen.

SEC football.

That was the National Title game, folks.

Awesome matchup.

So USC lost and LSU pulled it out. Now there's absolutely no question about who the #1 team in the country is.

That LSU-Florida game was one helluva game. Best game I've seen in quite some time.

I still can't believe that Stanford pulled it out.  There's gonna be some major shakeups in the polls this week.

Go Buckeyes!  That was an impressive victory against undefeated Purdue.  They came into the game as the Big Ten's number one offense and OSU shut them out.

QuoteThat was the National Title game, folks.

I wouldn't go that far. Really interested in seeing how Cal's season pans out. I'm just glad Michigan and Notre Dame won't be taking up valuable BCS space this year. Hopefully Ohio St will be exposed too, so we can have a real national championship game this year.

Already thinking of how great a playoff would be.  ::)

NU/MO was the worst fucking game I have seen (from a NE native). I have NEVER seen that team look that awful and uninterested in even playing. Taking nothing away from the Tigers as they came to kick someone's ass and they did. I ended up tuning the game out somewhere in the 2rd quarter. I will not be watching any Nebraska games for a while as I am so disgruntled with this god awful team and this horrible coach. He is uninspiring and it shows in the players. They just do not care if they win or lose. I think this little bullshit 3 year experiment needs to end. The West Coast offense is not working and it is not and never will be expected in the state of Nebraska. I know the glory years of Osborne are gone, but jesus, how the hell do you go from one of the greatest games ever (NU/MO with the Catch) to this fucking horrible horrible team in 10 years. Solich wasn't that bad of a coach. Bring him back, or someone else who isn't going to shit all over the legacy of Nebraska football.

End of rant.

Teo- PM me the address and your coffee will be there by the end of the week. I'm assuming whole bean, leaded will be your preference.

QuoteNU/MO was the worst fucking game I have seen (from a NE native). I have NEVER seen that team look that awful and uninterested in even playing. Taking nothing away from the Tigers as they came to kick someone's ass and they did. I ended up tuning the game out somewhere in the 2rd quarter. I will not be watching any Nebraska games for a while as I am so disgruntled with this god awful team and this horrible coach. He is uninspiring and it shows in the players. They just do not care if they win or lose. I think this little bullshit 3 year experiment needs to end. The West Coast offense is not working and it is not and never will be expected in the state of Nebraska. I know the glory years of Osborne are gone, but jesus, how the hell do you go from one of the greatest games ever (NU/MO with the Catch) to this fucking horrible horrible team in 10 years. Solich wasn't that bad of a coach. Bring him back, or someone else who isn't going to shit all over the legacy of Nebraska football.

End of rant.

Teo- PM me the address and your coffee will be there by the end of the week. I'm assuming whole bean, leaded will be your preference.

didn't you guys just give him a contract extension :-/

Don't you just love the rewarding of mediocraty. The AD & Chancellor were the ones who wanted the change, no one else did. They for some reason hated Solich and wanted to "update" NU football for better recruiting. yeah that has succeeded.  I find the Option and I formation more exciting then incomplete pass after incomplete pass, but that may be because I grew up with the Option. I mean come on, can anyone honestly say any QB that Callahan has had is better/more productive then Tommy frazier, Scott Frost, Eric Crouch or anyone before them? sigh I'm just going to watch my 3 90's National Championship DVD's and be thankful I'm not back at home as I do not think I could take the amount of press this is going to get.

Does anyone play a Wishbone formation, anymore?

BH, this weeks matchup is looking like it could be an epic battle. ;)  I'm going to say I'm fairly nervous after you guys just steamrolled Nebraska.  We've got to find a way to keep Chase Daniels bottled up.  Any friendly wager you want to make it a little more interesting?

QuoteBH, this weeks matchup is looking like it could be an epic battle. ;)  I'm going to say I'm fairly nervous after you guys just steamrolled Nebraska.  We've got to find a way to keep Chase Daniels bottled up.  Any friendly wager you want to make it a little more interesting?

It will be very interesting. It's gonna be tough for us on the road but I feel like we actually have a chance, which is saying a lot for us!   I'm actually hoping we meet twice this year!

I would be glad to make a friendly wager, but I can't think of anything good right now.  Any ideas?

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QuoteBH, this weeks matchup is looking like it could be an epic battle. ;)  I'm going to say I'm fairly nervous after you guys just steamrolled Nebraska.  We've got to find a way to keep Chase Daniels bottled up.  Any friendly wager you want to make it a little more interesting?

It will be very interesting. It's gonna be tough for us on the road but I feel like we actually have a chance, which is saying a lot for us!   I'm actually hoping we meet twice this year!

I would be glad to make a friendly wager, but I can't think of anything good right now.  Any ideas?

nice avatar!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

While plenty of other match-ups have an immediate interest, I'm looking at the Alabama @ Ole Miss game to be one of the more meaningful for the SEC... While I'm expecting a sloppy (but not a nail-bitter) win on Bama's part, what I'm hoping for is to witness this Crimson Tide team get its ass in gear and put up ridiculous points on the Rebels - just to embarrass them. It shouldn't be beyond Nick Saban to run up the score on an opponent. Our boys are not displaying the mean streak that I think is going to be necessary to keep from being embarrassed by the likes of Tennessee, LSU, and Auburn.

If Alabama can ignite its offense this weekend, beit by a new quarterback (not the answer, if you ask me), or by making use of Jimmy Johns, we will be in better shape to defeat LSU than anyone else on the schedule.

I'm still saying 8-4... for my prediction to be correct, we'll upset one of those three (if we can beat Ole Miss, first, ugh).

QuoteOur boys are not displaying the mean streak that I think is going to be necessary to keep from being embarrassed by the likes of Auburn.

say what you want; to me, this is the most important game of the year

QuoteIf Alabama can ignite its offense this weekend, beit by a new quarterback (not the answer, if you ask me), or by making use of Jimmy Johns, we will be in better shape to defeat LSU than anyone else on the schedule.

what are you talking about? maybe we can distract the rebel defense with jp's ridiculously boyish good looks....

(http://images.athlonsports.com/d/5656-1/JohnParkerWilson.jpg)

Quoteor by making use of Jimmy Johns

Uh Brad, I'm not sure how a sandwich is going to help in this situation.

I doubt brad has jimmy johns in bama.

Ohio State has Kent State at home this weekend.  fingers crossed.

Tuscaloosa Jimmy John's
1400 University Blvd
Tel: 205-366-3699

http://www.jimmyjohns.com/findAJJs/map.aspx?zip=&state=AL&city=Tuscaloosa

I recommend a number 12 but I still don't think it will help your team.  But it certainly couldn't hurt.

Our current #12 has something like a 50 percentile completion rate, how well does the Jimmy John Sandwich pass? We're looking for a smooth consistency.

TEO, I recieved my package today.  Sweet.  I am taking it as a good omen, on this special day.  The day that MIZZOU leaves Norman, OK, sparing only the women and children, and becomes the team to beat, not only in the Big XII, but the entire NCAA.
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I'm getting tired of looking at Tony's haggard face and it's only been five days.

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Damn you rugbird!!!! ;)

QuoteTEO, I recieved my package today.  Sweet.  I am taking it as a good omen, on this special day.  The day that MIZZOU leaves Norman, OK, sparing only the women and children, and becomes the team to beat, not only in the Big XII, but the entire NCAA.
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NO CHANCE HERMO! ;)

there will be no more chase daniels talk after this week.  

also wondering how mj is taking this ass-whoopin OSU is putting on NU :-/

I was wondering if you were out there EZ! :)

Please keep quoting me so I can see GO TIGERS again.   ;)

NU game is not on here.  Neither is Alabama, which looks kind of close right now Brad!  The sandwich didn't help?  Tracy are you watching?  You could help our strength of schedule quite a bit with a win!  

I'm watchin LSU to Kentucky.  My heart it draws the line.....

Quotealso wondering how mj is taking this ass-whoopin OSU is putting on NU :-/

I'm not watching another Husker game until Callahan is fired. Yeah, it's not on here...thankfully. 45 - 14. Man they just suck

QuoteI was wondering if you were out there EZ! :)

Please keep quoting me so I can see GO TIGERS again.   ;)

NU game is not on here.  Neither is Alabama, which looks kind of close right now Brad!  The sandwich didn't help?  Tracy are you watching?  You could help our strength of schedule quite a bit with a win!  

I'm watchin LSU to Kentucky.  My heart it draws the line.....

did you watch gameday this morning?  there were quite a few tiger fans reprezentin, looked like they had a pretty good crowd for the show.  unfortunately couldn't be there myself, had that awful thing called a job this morning

but now it's off to the game.  will make sure i drink a couple for you BH  [smiley=beer.gif]

QuoteI was wondering if you were out there EZ! :)

Please keep quoting me so I can see GO TIGERS again.   ;)

NU game is not on here.  Neither is Alabama, which looks kind of close right now Brad!  The sandwich didn't help?  Tracy are you watching?  You could help our strength of schedule quite a bit with a win!  

I'm onboard. We lost to Bama but it could have gone either way; we win with a slightly better defense.

Pulling for Mizzou over the Sooners.

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Quotealso wondering how mj is taking this ass-whoopin OSU is putting on NU :-/

I'm not watching another Husker game until Callahan is fired. Yeah, it's not on here...thankfully. 45 - 14. Man they just suck

it gets darkest just before dawn mj.  you know ou went the that god awful unspeakable  streak in the 90's where it hurt to watch them play.  fire that dipshit callahan, get that blackshirt defense back where they belong, and bring back that power I formation!

no love for the sooners tracy? :-?

Well, I just saw Carolina blow an opportunity to score off of a fumble against S. Carolina...

They are looking so much better than last year though, so at least I can hang on to that.

Quoteno love for the sooners tracy? :-?

I like pulling for the underdogs and newcomers, plus, I have a "special relationship" with a Mizzou fan on the board.   ;)

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Quoteno love for the sooners tracy? :-?

I like pulling for the underdogs and newcomers, plus, I have a "special relationship" with a Mizzou fan on the board.   ;)

:-*

Damn mj, I was hoping the Huskers were actually really good and we just beat them by 30+ because we are just that much better.  Maybe not so much.  

Or maybe we just crushed their spirit, and now they just don't have any fight in 'em.....  Yeah, that's good, I'm going with that.

QuoteDamn mj, I was hoping the Huskers were actually really good and we just beat them by 30+ because we are just that much better.  Maybe not so much.  

Or maybe we just crushed their spirit, and now they just don't have any fight in 'em.....  Yeah, that's good, I'm going with that.

well, with the looks of what happened to USC last week, and Arizona leading USC now in the 4th, and how USC manhandled Nebraska, I think Nebraska is actually that bad.

HOLY #$%@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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SEC football.

Wow. Really? Kentucky over LSU?
I had to leave the house for a few hours and just got back... haven't heard the score yet.
I'll be damned.  How bad was it? Or was it close?

3 OT's Corey.  It really was one hell of a game.

Alabama @ Ole Miss turned out to be another last-second win. The Reb's take it to us every single year, so we all knew it'd be a tough win... it's just a shame that the student section had to pelt the field with trash... makes the rest of the University look bad. We had a similar experience when Georgia snuck past us in overtime. Great SEC game...

...but nothing as good as the LSU @ Kentucky. Despite predicting a Kentucky collapse, I was absolutely hoping they'd pull off a Bluegrass Miracle and prove the Tigers are very beatable.

Guess what, folks? LSU taking a loss now means they are tied in for the SEC West with... guess who...

Alabama.

ROLL TIDE!

Yeah Brad, I saw the trash throwing on the highlight reel.  What was the deal with it?  Were they just pissed off that Alabama won?  Or was there a deeper reason?  It seemed pretty juvenile...at least of what i saw.

Quoteit gets darkest just before dawn mj.  you know ou went the that god awful unspeakable  streak in the 90's where it hurt to watch them play.  fire that dipshit callahan, get that blackshirt defense back where they belong, and bring back that power I formation!

That's what I've been sayin since they hired him and he said he was ditching the run game for the WC Offense.

QuoteOr maybe we just crushed their spirit, and now they just don't have any fight in 'em.....  Yeah, that's good, I'm going with that.

I'll buy that one.

QuoteYeah Brad, I saw the trash throwing on the highlight reel.  What was the deal with it?  Were they just pissed off that Alabama won?  Or was there a deeper reason?  It seemed pretty juvenile...at least of what i saw.

A deeper reason? The fans thought they got a bad call at the end. And yes, it was juvenile.

You know, we're close to having some crazy shit happen this year. If Cal loses tonight (or down the road) and Ohio St. gets upset at some point, then we could easily be looking at a Boston College/South Florida title game. Can anyone say BCS Playoff format fast enough if we see that title game?

Mizzou is looking good on the road! Can they keep it up...

Amen.  I really hope that BC and USF play for the championship.  I really do think that would at least get the ball rolling to a playoff system.

AHHHH!!! THE CLOWN IS BACK!!!!! I'm freaked out again by your avatar Tracy.

I thought we had it there for just a second.... :-[

[size=48]CAL LOSES TO OREGON STATE!!!  :D :D :D[/size]

OHIO STATE SOON TO BE #1!!!

WOW!!!!! ;)

I have to give a shout out to BH and his Tigers.  Missouri is the real deal.  So is the quarterback from South Lake Carrol, Chase Daniels.  If it's any consolation Hermo I don't want to play you guys in the Big 12 championship game.  If that game is in Mizzou, OU doesn't pull out the W.

I'm never a big fan of questioning the talented Bob Stoops, he has forgotten more about football than I will ever know but why go for two when we were up 11.  Kick the extra point and make it a two touchdown game instead of a touchdown, two point conversion and a field goal.  Wouldn't trade him for any other coach but..... :-/

Now lets see how far we move up in the polls with the shakedown that happenned with all the teams that lost in front of us today.

That being said next Jacket concert in St. Louis, beers are on you Hermo, cuz I'll definitely be there, and maybe a little pre-concert coughing will be n order as well, if you know what I mean ;).  

Cheers to you guys winning the North [smiley=beer.gif].  I'm off to harrass the drunk college girls on campus corner. ;D

QuoteYeah Brad, I saw the trash throwing on the highlight reel.  What was the deal with it?  Were they just pissed off that Alabama won?  Or was there a deeper reason?  It seemed pretty juvenile...at least of what i saw.

The final play of the game was an Ole Miss hail mary, 4th down with about 5 seconds on the clock. The Ole Miss receiver ran about 4 feet out of bounds before re-entering to make the catch. The catch was tipped/intercepted by Bama, then stripped by the same receiver who had gone out of bounds.

Although the pass was marked down on the 3 yard line with 3 seconds, Coach Saban used a timeout to call a review on the play. Smart move, I don't know if the referees were going to bother reviewing it, for some reason. After the review, the call was over-turned, the pass ruled incomplete due to the receiver being ineligible on the play... and Alabama took a knee to win it.

Obviously, the game of football would be totally fucked up if you could run in and out of bounds on a route, so it was the right call. Some of the Ole Miss folks got a bit carried away and caught up in the moment, and threw bottles/cups/etc.

That isn't the end of Ole Miss' sore-loser conduct...

One of Alabama's coaches was assaulted upon leaving the pressbox, after the game.  Give me a fucking break, dudes...



On the opposite end of the Sportsmanship Spectrum...

I noticed after Georgia pulled out a win against Vanderbilt, the Dogs' coach absolutely ripped his players a new asshole for celebrating. A dozen or so Bulldogs players started dancing on Vanderbilt's 50 yard line, and Coach Richt ran up and just blasted them. He totally shamed them for acting like children... That's a good man. He even apologized to the Vanderbilt coach for the brief celebration.

Big kudos to him for trying to enforce a pinch of class on his boys.


With LSU and Cal down, I'm guessing Ohio State and Boston College are next? The National Title game might be sort of lame with a bunch of unknowns...

;D

Quotewhy go for two when we were up 11.  Kick the extra point and make it a two touchdown game instead of a touchdown, two point conversion and a field goal.  

I was wondering the same...

QuoteAmen.  I really hope that BC and USF play for the championship.  I really do think that would at least get the ball rolling to a playoff system.

As a graduate of The University of West Florida and Tampa-area resident, I feel somewhat qualified to comment on USF.  USF is way better than you think.  They've built this program for 11 years for this moment, and no Snake Saban, it hasn't been done by cheating.

You see, Florida is full of people who can run really, really fast and UF, FSU, and Miami don't have enough scholarships.  Leavitt turned downed Alabama for a reason - USF is a better job.  Nice hat, Snake.

USF's defense misses no tackles and its offense is soooooo much better than it showed against WVU.  All of this "USF could play for the national championship" talk is done with a wink and a nod.  Keep up that thinking and remember USF is a win against Rutgers and UCINN from making this a reality.

QuoteLeavitt turned downed Alabama for a reason - USF is a better job.

Put down the crack pipe.

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The final play of the game was an Ole Miss hail mary, 4th down with about 5 seconds on the clock. The Ole Miss receiver ran about 4 feet out of bounds before re-entering to make the catch. The catch was tipped/intercepted by Bama, then stripped by the same receiver who had gone out of bounds.

Although the pass was marked down on the 3 yard line with 3 seconds, Coach Saban used a timeout to call a review on the play. Smart move, I don't know if the referees were going to bother reviewing it, for some reason. After the review, the call was over-turned, the pass ruled incomplete due to the receiver being ineligible on the play... and Alabama took a knee to win it.

Actually, Ole Miss would have had the ball on the 4 with 7 seconds left. The announcers were discussing whether they would take a shot at the end zone during the Bama time out. Plus there was a discussion if the Bama player had forced the Ole Miss receiver out of bounds and who touched the ball first upon coming back onfield. It wasn't as cut and dry as you make it out to be.

As for the refs not reviewing it at first, it's probably the same reason they didn't review the clear Bama fumble before the end of the first half.

I may have seconds and yards wrong, but the replay was pretty cut and dry. The review team, the commentators, and Coach Saban all agreed that the Reb took his route out of bounds and thus rendered himself ineligible.

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QuoteLeavitt turned downed Alabama for a reason - USF is a better job.

Put down the crack pipe.

Look it up brother.  The Grand Dragons, oops, I mean chancellors of U of A wanted Mr. Leavitt more than I want that next hit.  Greg Norman's Hat tries shitting on USF without the proper facts and an undeniable history of lizard-like behavior.

I've been to Tuscaloosa.  One of my best friends (and his very hot sister) was resident of that fair city and wound up at UWF.  I liked my friend (and his very hot sister) and frequented the good ole U of A and all I can say is thank god I'm white.

The first time I was in Alabama was for a U of A vs. Auburn Thanksgiving football game in Birmingham.  Most frequent phrase heard that day:  "When's that nigger boy getting back here with the coke?"  Yikes.

Here's to hoping the Bulls get to play the Tide boxes.  You'll see what I mean.

Thought this was pretty cool

http://www.d1acollegefootball.com/

Wow, I finally got censored.  Black person boy?

QuoteWow, I finally got censored.  Black person boy?

well, good ribbing and having fun is one thing, but calling U of A a bunch of racists and klan members is another. Perhaps you should take it down a notch?

That doesn't even deserve a response.

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QuoteWow, I finally got censored.  Black person boy?

well, good ribbing and having fun is one thing, but calling U of A a bunch of racists and klan members is another. Perhaps you should take it down a notch?

Notch down?  Well, nope.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it.  Would you rather I spin a tale about Bear Bryant donaing his kidney to save his star running back's mother's life.  Remember the Titans indeed.  It was not a one time experience - the "very hot sister" I refered to actually transfered to my fine college after an atmospheric nervous breakdown at the good ole' U of A.

I saw what I saw.  It's true; I exaggerate none.

So me smoking crack is good natured ribbing and me relating an actual tale is out-of-bounds?  Hmmmmm?  I guess all of you in Alabama can stand behind that fine record of racial tolerance.  Don't love the freedom to speak freely with conditions unless you're willing to accept illogical rule.

[size=14]Go Buckeyes!!!

#1 again![/size]

BoS, wow! you got censored!?  And you totally put tracy in his place.  I think I have a new hero!  did you use the n word? what would happen if this were a gansta rap forum? hey person, this one person I know says PWA is the best gansta rappers ever and I'm like person, please.

anyway.

UofL beat Cincy.   :-/  I know i'm supposed to be a UofL fan but I was born near Cincy and had to pull for them.  

Every team in the preseason ap top 10 has lost, way to go APers.  remember when they used to pick the national champion. oh wait, they still do.

sorry for the long post but I apparently missed out on the smack talk last night.

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So me smoking crack is good natured ribbing and me relating an actual tale is out-of-bounds?

no soup, you calling the chancellors of U of A "grand wizards" is out of bounds. IMO. Plus, it's like a 3rd grade jab. People like you do nothing but fuel racial hate when the good people of the south work our asses off to fix the wrongs of racial intolerance of the past.

I have been to Tuscaloosa on numerous occasions and I never heard any of what you expressed. Maybe it was the crowd you were hanging with?

Try to bring a stronger game than infalmmatory racial comments, we're a little above that here. That's why you got censored. We do have some class.   :)

I can understand that some things that happen in other cities might leave a bigger impression on your mind. But as Tracy said, most of the folks in this area are working to reverse those racial stereotypes that being from the South still carries. Pretending that it doesn't really happen where you live is pretty silly. You'd be lying to yourself if you think it's not happening where you live as well.

come on BoS, never have I heard such racist talk since neil young wrote the hate-filled, inflammatory ballad "Alabama".  Shame on you and Mr. Young for saying things that are true but that get people uncomfortable.  Stick with happy lies!

but seriously, everyone listen to corey.

YES!  BC gave it to Notre Dame--fun weekend in New England sports (if you ignore the 11th inning implosion of the BOSOX last night)

QuoteWOW!!!!! ;)

I have to give a shout out to BH and his Tigers.  Missouri is the real deal.  So is the quarterback from South Lake Carrol, Chase Daniels.  If it's any consolation Hermo I don't want to play you guys in the Big 12 championship game.  If that game is in Mizzou, OU doesn't pull out the W.

I'm never a big fan of questioning the talented Bob Stoops, he has forgotten more about football than I will ever know but why go for two when we were up 11.  Kick the extra point and make it a two touchdown game instead of a touchdown, two point conversion and a field goal.  Wouldn't trade him for any other coach but..... :-/

Now lets see how far we move up in the polls with the shakedown that happenned with all the teams that lost in front of us today.

That being said next Jacket concert in St. Louis, beers are on you Hermo, cuz I'll definitely be there, and maybe a little pre-concert coughing will be n order as well, if you know what I mean ;).  

Cheers to you guys winning the North [smiley=beer.gif].  I'm off to harrass the drunk college girls on campus corner. ;D

I can't wait to buy you beers!  'Cause it means the boys are back in town!  

I questioned the two point try as well.  Kind of strange.  I wonder if anyone asked him about it after the game.  

Ihated to have a stupid play turn the game.  (The reverse hand off bumble).  Ohe well.  Hope to meet again in the championship game for sure.

Oh, and EZ you must now change your lyrics to:

Straight outta compton, crazy mother fucker named Ice Cube, from a gang called Black Persons with Attitude.

uhhh... correct me if i am wrong here, but isn't assuming that everyone in alabama is ignorant and racist just perpetuating stereotypes? acting as if you're "above" stereotyping by doing so to others is whack.

what's the word that comes to mind... oh yeah... hypocrite. here's a link in case you're confused:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrite

whatever. roll tide.

now can we talk about kentucky's beating lsu?  :o

did anyone see the fake notre dame promo on saturday night live? that was hilarious! i looked for it on youtube, but couldn't find it.

It's already starting. End the maddness!!

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I was watching ESPN's Kirk Herbstreit give a ridiculous BCS support rant last night. He was saying that no other sport has this high drama every weekend, like the BCS system. He said every weekend is a playoff. Well, if there was a playoff system (and there will be) then every weekend would even be more exciting because more teams would be trying to get in to the playoff rather than 2. Common sense. You have an 8 team format, that's 4x the open slots and so your odds increase greatly to getting into the playoffs. Plus, people would schedule harder opponents out of conference to prove their worth (like NCAA basketball). The BCS is turing into a free for all, which is exciting to people like Herbstriet, but drives most people crazy with the unfairness of it all. To say that NCAA Div 1 football has it right, and every other sport in every division has it wrong smells a little fishy to me. Smells like good old boy money not wanting to change.

I go back to Auburn in 2004 (and hell, I don't even like Auburn!). An undefeated team, 13-0, and they end up ranked number 2 behind USC. This is the best system? And the year before with USC and LSU both claiming a title? Is this the best we can do? Any argument supporting the 1 game BCS title is laughable.

2 words about a playoff:   March Maddness

QuoteIt's already starting. End the maddness!!

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I was watching ESPN's Kirk Herbstreit give a ridiculous BCS support rant last night. He was saying that no other sport has this high drama every weekend, like the BCS system. He said every weekend is a playoff. Well, if there was a playoff system (and there will be) then every weekend would even be more exciting because more teams would be trying to get in to the playoff rather than 2. Common sense. You have an 8 team format, that's 4x the open slots and so your odds increase greatly to getting into the playoffs. Plus, people would schedule harder opponents out of conference to prove their worth (like NCAA basketball). The BCS is turing into a free for all, which is exciting to people like Herbstriet, but drives most people crazy with the unfairness of it all. To say that NCAA Div 1 football has it right, and every other sport in every division has it wrong smells a little fishy to me. Smells like good old boy money not wanting to change.

I go back to Auburn in 2004 (and hell, I don't even like Auburn!). An undefeated team, 13-0, and they end up ranked number 2 behind USC. This is the best system? And the year before with USC and LSU both claiming a title? Is this the best we can do? Any argument supporting the 1 game BCS title is laughable.

2 words about a playoff:   March Maddness

Two words:   BOISE STATE

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Two words:   BOISE STATE

Gotta love the bright blue turf--1st time I saw it I thought my TV went nuts!

First, a touch of context appears to be in order.  We have no love for Snake Saban down here.  A reporter asked him what he thought of USF a couple of weeks ago and he went on a 5 minute rant about how USF's lower academic standards are the reason for their success stating point blank that, "I know for a fact that they start 6 non-qualifiers..."

Problem being there are only 2 non-qualifiers on the entire USF roster – only one actually plays.  If you take the liberal perspective (as I do) that institutes of higher education should take people from diverse backgrounds and not just those who test well, the appearance of non-qualifiers can be viewed as a positive thing.  Believe or not, much of our fair country continues to perpetuate an educational apartheid on a large population of our citizens (although I'm certain this is not the case in Alabama).  Mr. Saban's remarks have racial underpinnings and are really motivated by the FACT that he was not Bama's first choice; see here:

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/10/15/Sports/Heeere_come_the_Bulls.shtml  

As for your innuendo that perhaps the crowd I was hanging with was the real source of the ugly behavior, would you be taking about the freaky Asian guy with the facial piercing in 1993 or my friend with the shoulder length purple hair?  Let me assure you that we were a hit with the fine people of Alabama.  Funnier still is the fact that one of my friends was the grandson of one of the most important civil rights lawyers in Tuscaloosa – a man who actually did "hard work".  You're being disingenuous if you say you've never seen similar behavior in Alabama, because it happens everywhere.  It just happened to me my most striking memory; I relayed the story, got censored, and started this donnybrook.

Maybe my chancellor comment was below the belt.  Get a cup.  This is a message board on the internet and a thread devoted to College Football and I can't make third-grade taunts!?  I guess I should apologize for making fun on that thing on Drew Brees' face also.  

So, boo fucking hoo.  My experience with such vitriolic protest is that it comes from a place of deep insecurity.  I love the South although I no longer live in it (Tampa is NY with palm trees) and most of my memories are positive.  I was simply running a bit of smack and telling a tale.  If your panties are in wad over it, I recommend Tucks pads.

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As for your innuendo that perhaps the crowd I was hanging with was the real source of the ugly behavior, would you be taking about the freaky Asian guy with the facial piercing in 1993 or my friend with the shoulder length purple hair?  Let me assure you that we were a hit with the fine people of Alabama.  Funnier still is the fact that one of my friends was the grandson of one of the most important civil rights lawyers in Tuscaloosa – a man who actually did "hard work".  You're being disingenuous if you say you've never seen similar behavior in Alabama, because it happens everywhere.  It just happened to me my most striking memory; I relayed the story, got censored, and started this donnybrook.

you're right. it happens everywhere. even in florida.

i'm from alabama; that's where all my family members live. i am planning on moving to tuscaloosa in january. that's why i am taking offense to your self-righteous tirade.

i like reading the banter in this thread, but man, there's a big difference between talking shit about ball and grasping at straws.

Never once said it didn't happen in Florida.  Never once said that all of Alabama's people are members of the Klan.  Just said that I'd been to your fair city on occassion and encountered some abhorent behavior.  You and others took it as an attack on the entire state.  Is there really this much deep-seeded insecurity among the sons and daughters of Alabama?

Sorry for the move.  Run Forest!  Run!

I just couldn't stop myself.

whatever, man.

peace.

QuoteYou're being disingenuous if you say you've never seen similar behavior in Alabama, because it happens everywhere.

Sweetheart, I said I had been to Tuscaloosa a couple of times and never heard such. Just trying to cut the south a break (b/c literally, I didn't hear any racial slurs while I was there). Plus, when you start dissin' on southerners being racists, you're really dissin' on the Jacket too, IMO. I know it happens everywhere, I grew up in Mississippi in the 60's and 70's, plus, part of my current job involves racial reconciliation in Nashville. It's just offensive to me b/c it's not as bad as it used to be down here (I lived in Boston for a while, one of the more racist cities in America, and I know what they have to say about the south) and we continue to strive for better lives.

You are right though, it's a message board on the internet, not need to get huffy. Knock yourself out, I know that you're just trying to piss people off.

Some wise person somewhere said arguing on the internet is like dancing for architecture...

                      .Peace.   :)

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QuoteYou're being disingenuous if you say you've never seen similar behavior in Alabama, because it happens everywhere.

Sweetheart, I said I had been to Tuscaloosa a couple of times and never heard such. Just trying to cut the south a break (b/c literally, I didn't hear any racial slurs while I was there). Plus, when you start dissin' on southerners being racists, you're really dissin' on the Jacket too, IMO. I know it happens everywhere, I grew up in Mississippi in the 60's and 70's, plus, part of my current job involves racial reconciliation in Nashville. It's just offensive to me b/c it's not as bad as it used to be down here (I lived in Boston for a while, one of the more racist cities in America, and I know what they have to say about the south) and we continue to strive for better lives.

You are right though, it's a message board on the internet, not need to get huffy. Knock yourself out, I know that you're just trying to piss people off.

Some wise person somewhere said arguing on the internet is like dancing for architecture...

                      .Peace.   :)

I've grown tired of this, but...  I shall dance for the Empire State Building one last time, pumpkin.  I have no desire to piss people off, there seems to be very little of that bullshit on this board and I like that.  But all of the shit above is an invention of your paranoia.  You've finally managed to twist this in to a personal attack on MMJ by me.

Wow!  That takes a great deal of logical gymnastics - you're the Mary Lou Retton of reason.  No personal attacks have been initiated by me, but let's see;  I have been called a hypocrite, self-righteous, and now been accused of calling all southerners racists.  Hmmm.  I don't recall even implying that.

Would you prefer that I only relay my positive experiences from here on out?  OK.  I was in Mobile one day checking out that battleship they keep there and the sun set into the Gulf in such a spectaular way that I could swear that Bear Bryant himself was winking at me from heaven.

Peace indeed.

You callin' the bear queer?                  ;D

Does Florida go down again in Lexington this weekend? Does anyone know the last time Fla lost 3 in a row??   :-?

Quote(I lived in Boston for a while, one of the more racist cities in America, and I know what they have to say about the south)

OK buddy now you're treading in my home state.  You wanna back up that accusation with some evidence?  Other than the bussing bs in the 70s what do you have?  I lived in Texas for a few short years and was astounded at the level of backwards outdated thinking--most everyone I ran across (excepting the cosmopolitan-types in Dallas) felt it perfectly normal to disparage minorities (Hispanics and Blacks) mostly through humor but that really sets the tone for an individual's philosophy anyway (right Michael Richards?).  I'm telling you that racist undercurrent down south is still very much alive.  Sure there are plenty of examples of educated, accepting people down south but I'd place any amount of money that the per capita racism south of the Mason-Dixon line is MUCH worse than anything going on up north.  Concentrate on your backyard and we'll take care of ours.  I realize this is a hot button issue and regional pride can color perceptions, but I really take offense to you lablelling Boston "one of the more racist cities in the country" with no examples of current events--most of the crimes against minorities are being commited by other minorities (actually I think caucasians are the minorties up here now but you get my intent there).  You can certainly fire back at bowl of soup if it gives you a jolly, but leave my home out of this.

ummm yeah moving on


So does anyone want to discuss the glorious news coming from Lincoln? 1 down 1 more to go and the rumors/rumblings last I saw was Osborn would be the new AD and Turner Gill would be head couch. I think I would soil myself if that happened. That means the Option (Gill was a f'n MASTER at running it and was Tommy Fraziers QB couch at NU) and the Power I would be back.

Quoteummm yeah moving on


So does anyone want to discuss the glorious news coming from Lincoln? 1 down 1 more to go and the rumors/rumblings last I saw was Osborn would be the new AD and Turner Gill would be head couch. I think I would soil myself if that happened. That means the Option (Gill was a f'n MASTER at running it and was Tommy Fraziers QB couch at NU) and the Power I would be back.

Truly, let's get this thread re-railed

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QuoteTruly, let's get this thread re-railed

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Does Florida go down again in Lexington this weekend? Does anyone know the last time Fla lost 3 in a row??    

I sure hope so.  

Seriously, I apologize in advance if anyone here is from Florida, but I can't stand it anymore.  For the last two summers, all I've seen are snobby Florida tourists who come up to North Carolina to hang out in their overpriced 2nd homes and STILL bitch about how hot it is in the mountains.  

And what do they have posted on their H2's and Mercedes SUV's?  Bumper stickers saying, "Gator Nation" and "2 time Hoops Champions" and things of that sort and it bugs the hell out of me.  I REALLY hope that they lose this weekend and I REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY hope that their whole excuse for a basketball program under an overrated coach takes a nose dive.

There. I'm done.


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third saturday in october this weekend, and mr. ewok and i have sweet seats.
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i am so excited about this i can't think straight.

So everyone's with me and USF on Thursday night right?  WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWW!

QuoteSo everyone's with me and USF on Thursday night right?  WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWW!

I'm pulling for USF. I would totally love to see USF go undefeated and go toe to toe with a 1 loss big name program in the BCS championship and beat them. I'm on board man, I got your back. I have never been so focused in my life. FUCK a bunch of Scarlet Knights!

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So does anyone want to discuss the glorious news coming from Lincoln? 1 down 1 more to go and the rumors/rumblings last I saw was Osborn would be the new AD and Turner Gill would be head couch. I think I would soil myself if that happened. That means the Option (Gill was a f'n MASTER at running it and was Tommy Fraziers QB couch at NU) and the Power I would be back.

was excited to hear that for you mj ;)    getting Osborn as the AD would be a huge bonus for you guys.  NU has been getting a lot of attention on the sports talk radio station here lately.  can't say that it's all been good, but a lot of callers want you guys to get back to national prominence (me included), makes for better games and a stronger big 12 north.  i'd venture to say that NU is one of the top 5-10 jobs in the country.  good luck getting someone good to replace that dipshit callahan.

A&M can stay shitty as far as I'm concerned ;D

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QuoteSo everyone's with me and USF on Thursday night right?  WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWW!

I'm pulling for USF. I would totally love to see USF go undefeated and go toe to toe with a 1 loss big name program in the BCS championship and beat them. I'm on board man, I got your back. I have never been so focused in my life. FUCK a bunch of Scarlet Knights!

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Would love to see OU as that 1 loss big name program, just wouldn't want to see us lose though.  That Boise State loss still makes me sick to my stomach. :-?  We did our part for the little programs last year

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So does anyone want to discuss the glorious news coming from Lincoln? 1 down 1 more to go and the rumors/rumblings last I saw was Osborn would be the new AD and Turner Gill would be head couch. I think I would soil myself if that happened. That means the Option (Gill was a f'n MASTER at running it and was Tommy Fraziers QB couch at NU) and the Power I would be back.

was excited to hear that for you mj ;)    getting Osborn as the AD would be a huge bonus for you guys.  NU has been getting a lot of attention on the sports talk radio station here lately.  can't say that it's all been good, but a lot of callers want you guys to get back to national prominence (me included), makes for better games and a stronger big 12 north.  i'd venture to say that NU is one of the top 5-10 jobs in the country.  good luck getting someone good to replace that dipshit callahan.

A&M can stay shitty as far as I'm concerned ;D

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES. Part 1 of the grand plan is complete. Dr Tom has been named AD! Fire Callahan's sorry ass please

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So does anyone want to discuss the glorious news coming from Lincoln? 1 down 1 more to go and the rumors/rumblings last I saw was Osborn would be the new AD and Turner Gill would be head couch. I think I would soil myself if that happened. That means the Option (Gill was a f'n MASTER at running it and was Tommy Fraziers QB couch at NU) and the Power I would be back.

Yes, hopefully it's a long long drawn out rebuilding process.   ;)

I'm not sure where I was, but someone said something about Ohio State owning the crown this year regardless of their opponent... I found that very interesting, more from a historical standpoint than anything else. I did some research, and history says that Ohio State has found itself a "daddy" up against one opponent in particular.

Ohio State verses SEC Teams in Bowl Games... (They're 0 and 9)

1/8/2007 vs. Florida (13-1) LOSS 14 - 41 BCS Championship
1/1/2002 vs. South Carolina (9-3) LOSS 28 - 31 Outback Bowl
1/1/2001 vs. South Carolina (8-4) LOSS 7 - 24 Outback Bowl
1/1/1996 vs. Tennessee (11-1) LOSS 14 - 20 Citrus Bowl
1/2/1995 vs. Alabama (12-1) LOSS 17 - 24 Citrus Bowl
1/1/1993 vs. Georgia (10-2) LOSS 14 - 21 Citrus Bowl
1/1/1990 vs. Auburn (10-2) LOSS 14 - 31 Hall of Fame Bowl
8/27/1986 vs. Alabama (10-3) LOSS 10 - 16 Kick-off Classic
1/2/1978 vs. Alabama (11-1) LOSS 6 - 35 Sugar Bowl

SEC Teams have outscored Ohio State by a total of 163 points in only 9 Bowl Games... Remarkable, really. The Bucks better hope the SEC totally dismantles itself, this year.

I am getting pumped up for the Third Saturday in October... Easily one of the most intense rivalry games in the South. The beloved Alabama Crimson Tide against the putrid Tennessee Volunteers. Classic Crimson and White set against a field of obnoxiously bright orange. Our beautiful Bryant-Denny Stadium welcomes, hosts,... and uh... e-x-p-a-n-d-s all entrances for Philip the Hutt Fulmer and his Vols, this year.

Alabama (5-2, ranked #30) is looking for a must-needed upset at home against Tennessee (4-2, ranked #20). The line gives the Tide a +1 point lead, but this baffling to me given Alabama's inconsistency all season. My assumption is that all this really means is that the pick's find neither team to be soundly reliable - and the Crimson Tide will merely have some favor with its home team advantage.

I'm willing to bet Alabama is a 14 point underdog before kickoff, though, and rightfully so.

I predicted an Alabama win this weekend, before the season began... my overall prediction is 8-4, requiring an upset either this Saturday, or the next against LSU (#5), or the Iron Bowl against Auburn (#18). Of the three teams to beat, I think it's obvious that Tennessee is the most approachable.

I'll stick to my prediction. I expect to see a upset.

Regardless of your love or hate of the Big Orange and The Crimson Tide, if you're not tuned in on the 3rd Saturday in October, you're not a true college football fan.

I think TN will lose to KY and SC but there is no way in HELL we will lose to AL.  Alabama SUCKS (all caps) this year.  I'm really excited about the KY vs. FL matchup this weekend.  I think I would actually rather see FL lose again than see TN win.      

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I'm pulling for USF. I would totally love to see USF go undefeated and go toe to toe with a 1 loss big name program in the BCS championship and beat them. I'm on board man, I got your back. I have never been so focused in my life. FUCK a bunch of Scarlet Knights!

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Wow, our relationship has really come a long way in a few days.  Are we, like dating now?

QuoteYou callin' the bear queer?                  ;D

I don't know, but that hat always kind of screamed "Marvelous!!!!!"

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Wow, our relationship has really come a long way in a few days.  Are we, like dating now?

I wouldn't call it dating unless I get some nice merchandise from you out of it...

(the fact that I can be a difficult prick is not beyond me).

is is realistic? maybe.
would it be awesome to witness? hell yes.

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I just wanted to remind everyone that [size=18]THE Ohio State Buckeyes are #1[/size]


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They seem pretty legit (even after playing in a pretty weak Big 10) but I think if they play well through the Michigan game, they'll be national title contenders.

QuoteI think TN will lose to KY and SC but there is no way in HELL we will lose to AL.  Alabama SUCKS (all caps) this year.

Never say never, Brian, especially with two SEC Teams that haven't showed much consistency in their game... Alabama has a good home crowd advantage, it beat #16 Arkansas and took Georgia to the brink because the fans kept them in it. Fulmer is no hack, but I think we've got the better coach, too. Nick Saban singlehandedly won the Ole Miss game based on time management skills alone. How timeouts are handled on the field may tip the balance in this game, and Saban has a strict policy about players using timeouts. It may be the only thing he's been able to teach those kids - "Do not use my timeouts."

Our players have talent, but where the Tide undeniably sucks this year is where Mike Shula's neglect has been hurting us for years, now - poor discipline. The whole Ole Miss controversy would have been spared if our guy had just knocked the ball down. Three games, now, an Alabama player has tried to make an interception on a 4th down hail mary pass. Why? Why do you need to intercept the ball? Glory? Just knock the fucking ball down!

If something doesn't change, the Vols are going to destroy our secondary. Those guys out there have a hot shot syndrome and we'll be dealt with handily if they don't get their heads out of their rears and start playing smart defense.

But if John Parker Wilson shows up with his (handsome) gameday face on, and our running game isn't totally abandoned, Tennessee might get shocked. Alabama has played better against ranked teams than against unranked teams - that alone proves this game can be won if our boys want it, take it, and don't let go in the second half.

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sorry USF, your cinderalla season is over.  now OU moves up how many spots ;)

That's awesome, Corey.

Not as awesome as seeing "#2" USF fall to the Rutgers, though... USF may belong in the Top 25, I won't argue with that... but this game proves they aren't in the class people thought/hoped/pretended they were.

I got a little bored of South Florida fans coming out of the wordwork, with fandom bent on that school to the point of arousal, but I think a lot of us were hoping they'd go undefeated (with their second-half schedule, it shouldn't have been too difficult). Oh well, nobody can say for sure that USF going to the title game would have encouraged a playoff system, anyway.

Great article on why the Husker faithful are so pissed.

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=728611

QuoteThat's awesome, Corey.

Not as awesome as seeing "#2" USF fall to the Rutgers, though... USF may belong in the Top 25, I won't argue with that... but this game proves they aren't in the class people thought/hoped/pretended they were.

I got a little bored of South Florida fans coming out of the wordwork, with fandom bent on that school to the point of arousal, but I think a lot of us were hoping they'd go undefeated (with their second-half schedule, it shouldn't have been too difficult). Oh well, nobody can say for sure that USF going to the title game would have encouraged a playoff system, anyway.

you've been hating on them for a while.  do you still think they aren't in the same class as WVU?  even though they're in the same conference, have beaten the shit out of them two years in a row, and gained the respect on the voters?  I don't think they're as bad as you thought/hoped/pretended they were.

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41-17, y'all.
That's the best Bama's looked all year. Who the hell calls an onsides kick for the first play of the game. I think that's the first time I've ever seen that. I could be wrong about that. I'm sure it's been done before, but it's not something you see very often.

Wilson and Hall. Fuck yeah!

Our defense actually showed up today as well. Couldn't have been more pleased about that. AND, our offense didn't turn the ball over at all. The penalties were pretty high and I'm sure that they're gonna get their ass chewed about that, but I bet Saban is damn proud of those boys today.

 :'(   Vandy 17, Gamecocks 6.

PATHETIC.

Quote:'(   Vandy 17, Gamecocks 6.

PATHETIC.

I knew I'd see a sad post from you when I logged on.  I saw the highlights...what happened?

Alabama took Tennessee to the woodshed. I'm looking forward to seeing our rank, after this weekend.

Minnesota 21
North Dakota St. 27

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roll tide! today's game was on point! this was my first time actually being at the bama/tennessee game, and what a first time it was.

fyi: you CAN sunburn in october.

Oh, I bet. It was pretty damn sunny today here in the Shoals. Much hotter than I expected it to be.

ouch.  :-/


TN just sucks out loud and there is nothing they can do about it.  It's probably time to get some new coaches but we'll wait at least three more seasons before doing so.  We are now the South Carolina of the SEC EAST.  

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North Dakota St. 27

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They lost to Florida Atlantic earlier in the season.  ;D ;D

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Quote:'(   Vandy 17, Gamecocks 6.

PATHETIC.

I knew I'd see a sad post from you when I logged on.  I saw the highlights...what happened?

I didn't see it. Who the hell puts this game on PAY PER VIEW???

Quoteouch.  :-/


TN just sucks out loud and there is nothing they can do about it.  It's probably time to get some new coaches but we'll wait at least three more seasons before doing so.  We are now the South Carolina of the SEC EAST.  

And that's supposed to mean?  :-?

Wow, I just made 3 posts in the last 5 minutes in this thread, all in a different mood.

Just that we won't be going to any SEC championship games anytime soon.  :-*

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QuoteThat's awesome, Corey.

Not as awesome as seeing "#2" USF fall to the Rutgers, though... USF may belong in the Top 25, I won't argue with that... but this game proves they aren't in the class people thought/hoped/pretended they were.

I got a little bored of South Florida fans coming out of the wordwork, with fandom bent on that school to the point of arousal, but I think a lot of us were hoping they'd go undefeated (with their second-half schedule, it shouldn't have been too difficult). Oh well, nobody can say for sure that USF going to the title game would have encouraged a playoff system, anyway.

you've been hating on them for a while.  do you still think they aren't in the same class as WVU?  even though they're in the same conference, have beaten the shit out of them two years in a row, and gained the respect on the voters?  I don't think they're as bad as you thought/hoped/pretended they were.

Exactly.  They lost to a team that was ranked in the top 10 to start the season and I'm never one to blame the refs....but I blame the refs.  With 30 or so seconds to go, USF converted a fourth down putting them in field goal range only to have the play called back on a ridiculous offensive interference call.  I won't even mention the first-half touchdown called back on a very questionable review.  It also took Rutgers not one, but two fake kicks to pull off the upset - congrats to them.

USF's resume is still very nice.  Yes, they played and beat Elon.  They also won at Auburn in overtime (only needed because USF missed 4 field goals in the game) and paisted WVU for the second year in a row.  The UCF win gets lambasted, but doesn't anyone remember that UCF had Texas beat earlier in the year?

I have very happily jumped on the bandwagon (I'm really a Maryland fan who lives down here) and it's been fun.  It really could have destroyed this horrible system, but alas, its not to be.

Did anyone catch the Outside the Lines on Sunday?  Funny how USF readily released their non-qualifier figures and Alabama refused isn't it?

I think Corey's point is that if a bigger named program ranked #2 had gone to Rutgers, they would have won. If Auburn, LSU, Ohio St., USC, etc... is ranked #2 and they go to Rutgers (Rutgers folks) they win.

Plus, blaming the refs for losing to Rutgers (Rutgers) is not a move that a class program's fan would make. You lose to Rutgers at Rutgers, then you don't deserve to be #2. Blaming the refs for losing to Rutgers is silly. I was pulling for USF and the receiver pushed off, it was pretty obvious.

Come on USF fan, you can do better than that!

how is it silly be blame the refs if the refs actually did fuck it up?  Just dismissing the argument without cause... you can do better than that.

or maybe you can't.   :-/

I'm wondering how many of you actually went to the schools you support? Just curious with no malice intended.

The degree says YES! Not that I'm actually using the degree other then a monthly reminder that partying in college bites you in the ass down the rode.  ::) ;D

for me, it was something i just grew up with. 80% of my family members have graduated from the ua and are hardcore fanatics. i guess i am such a big bama fan b/c that's how i spent the most time with my grandfather (who was like a dad to me). football is a secular religion in the south. you're just, like, born into it or something.

after i have lived in t-town for a year, i plan on transferring all my credits and getting a degree from the ua.

i'm just glad none of my family went to auburn.... what???  :o

QuoteI'm wondering how many of you actually went to the schools you support? Just curious with no malice intended.

Ole Miss fan here, my whole life; graduated from there and everything. Not really a bandwagon school...

I am a fan of the SEC and will usually pull for SEC teams out of conference. LSU would be my second favorite b/c of my New Orleans roots (even though my dad went to Tulane  ). Even though living in Nashville makes me pull for Vanderbilt (and I would pull for Vandy over LSU), [size=16]so make Vanderbilt my 2nd favorite! [/size]

I pull for Syracuse since that hellhole town is located within a 2-hour drive of my hometown (Kingston Ontario) and we get most of their TV affiliates, save for PBS and CBS, which are from Watertown NY. Everyone in my hometown is a 'Cuse fan, but mostly for Orange basketball. I've lived in Toronto for 15 years and people here are all over the map with their allegiances (which is funny if you consider Canadians cheering for American colleges). Because of the proximity to Michigan and New York, a lot of Torontonians cheer for Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame and Syracuse, but NCAA basketball is a bigger draw.

QuoteI'm wondering how many of you actually went to the schools you support? Just curious with no malice intended.

I graduated from Appalachian State, so I support them all the way.  

I've also been brought up on UNC sports (especially hoops) my whole life, and have had lots of friends go there.  My grandpa, sister, uncle, and cousin have also graduated from there.  I would've liked to go there, but the school seemed too big for me.

I went to a school that didn't have a football team so I have adopted a few teams.  I was born in Ohio so I root for Ohio State. I was closer to Cincy than Columbus so I also root for UC although they have done everything to disenfranchise me.  I also root for Purdue because my grandfather and aunt went there.  My Dad went to Miami of Ohio so I root for them and I've lived in Louisville for ten years (wow is it really that long) so I root for them.  My love for OSU and Purdue have made me a Big Ten man.

QuoteI think Corey's point is that if a bigger named program ranked #2 had gone to Rutgers, they would have won. If Auburn, LSU, Ohio St., USC, etc... is ranked #2 and they go to Rutgers (Rutgers folks) they win.

Plus, blaming the refs for losing to Rutgers (Rutgers) is not a move that a class program's fan would make. You lose to Rutgers at Rutgers, then you don't deserve to be #2. Blaming the refs for losing to Rutgers is silly. I was pulling for USF and the receiver pushed off, it was pretty obvious.

Come on USF fan, you can do better than that!

Me and you don't play well together.  My point was that Rutgers is a good team.  They were last year and they were highly regarded again this year before suffering a couple of tough loses.  They can still win the Big East and end up in a BCS game, so a loss to Rugers is nothing to be ashamed of - this ain't your Daddy's Rurgers. It's a better loss than say a loss to Florida State or Georgia for example.  

I'd take Rurgers against any team you list.  You do recall that USC lost to Stanford, LSU lost to Kentucky, Auburn lost to !USF!, and Ohio State plays in the Big Ten, correct?

Obvious push off???!!!  You were obviously drinking more than me.  I guess you were a fan of that horific illegal forward pass call negating the touchdown in the first half too?

No takers on the Outside the Lines episode, huh?

I just wanted to remind everyone that [size=18]THE Ohio State Buckeyes are #1[/size]


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Obvious push off???!!!  You were obviously drinking more than me.  

2 refs called it a push off.

The guy announcing the game on ESPN said during the slow-mo replay, "And it looked like he didn't need to push off b/c the defender was already going in the opposite direction".

I was rooting for USF and I thought it was a push off.

yet USF fan says it was a blown call? That's suprising...

Point being, big name programs don't blame officials for making the correct call. Every game will have bad calls, that just wasn't one of them.

The reason USF lost is b/c Grothe got sacked 7 times for minus 60 yards. I'm not sure USF blocked anyone in the 4th quarter. Plus, 2-14 on 3rd down?

I was pulling hard for USF last Thursday, probably the hardest I have ever pulled for a college team out of Tampa, and they let me down.

It hurts.

But if it makes you feel better, I think this USF fan could use a little company, he speaks your language:
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Yeah yeah.  But, come on, they haven't played a team ranked in the top 20 yet.  Purdue was their most highly ranked opponent this season, and they were 23 at the time (if I remember correctly).  

I'm not saying they aren't national title contenders, but they haven't really gotten their cleats broken in yet.  You know?  

And again, I'm emphasizing that I'm not putting OSU down, I'm just really looking forward to see how they do against a top tier team.

yeah, but they've beat everyone easily.  They haven't played any top tier teams, but they've made mince meat of the teams that were supposed to give them a game.  they have tough opponents for the rest of the season.  it'll be interesting to see how far they fall if they do get a loss, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Agreed.  I was just over at espn.com checking up on their schedule again and here are the results from the first few games:

09/01 YSU W 38-6
09/08 Akron W 20-2
09/15 at Washington W 33-14
09/22 N'western W 58-7
09/29 at Minnesota W 30-7
10/06 at #23 Purdue W 23-7
10/13 Kent St W 48-3
10/20 Mich St W 24-17


You've gotta give 'em credit for 'making mince meat' of traditional powerhouses like Akron, Northwestern and Kent State.  ::)

And, yeah, they beat Purdue by more than two TD's, but when I was watching the Michigan State game last weekend, they really didn't look that solid (towards the end anyway, they were blowing them out in the first half).  

You've gotta admit their schedule has been pretty "blah" so far.  So, who is their defining rival for the rest of the season?  

10/27 at #25 Penn State 8:00 PM
11/03 Wisconsin TBD
11/10 Illinois TBD
11/17 at #20 Michigan 12:00 PM


There are some major hurtles to jump over for sure.  All BCS standings aside, these are very solid teams and should give OSU a run for their money.  I'll be able to make better judgement about this Buckeye team after watching them play Penn St. and Wisconsin.  If they do well agains those teams, I'll be way less skeptical in my next post ;)

Say what you will but you can't deny that they have not been beaten and that's something 115 of the 119 D-1 schools can say.  I have a feeling these arguments are going to be rehashed when we are discussing who "deserves" to be in the "national championship game" so i'll spare you for now.

I've attended classes at the University of Alabama, but my fanaticism comes more from living here in Tuscaloosa most of my life. Both of my parents have worked for the U of A, and the school has treated them very well. It's a great establishment, with a beautiful campus and stadium, and of course the football tradition is unrivaled. I don't really have any "second bests" - I bleed crimson, as they say.


Regarding Ohio State... With what little I have seen, I haven't been impressed. I admit that I'm extremely biased, though, since I watch SEC Football. I'll go out on a limb and say that outside of the Ohio State fandom, you probably won't find many people making a case for Buckeyes being in the #1 spot for any other reason than their being undefeated. The tail end of the schedule should take care of that, though.


Back to Alabama...

I'm still holding onto my 8-4 prediction, which includes a loss to #1 LSU and #20-something Auburn. If Bama beats LSU, though, all they need is a win against Mississippi State or Auburn to be the SEC East Division champs. Several teams have proven LSU is very mortal, and the coaching is suspect to say the least, so all a sudden the "Saban Bowl" has taken on a much bigger importance. The winner of Alabama v. LSU will determine who goes to Atlanta.

That's amazing, to me, that Alabama's "transition year" could include a shot at the SEC Title (presumably against Florida).

I went to Mizzou and many times wish I would have followed the 18 year program.

QuoteI went to Mizzou and many times wish I would have followed the 18 year program.

I did that. I graduated from high school in 82, got my
undergraduate in 98.

And you know what? When you make a 0.00 your freshman year,
and go back to the same college 14 years later, your ass is still
on probation! For 2 semesters, I was pulling 3.6's and 3.8's, getting
on the President's list, but still on probation b/c my cumulative was
below a 2.

life...

here's the young kid now with the 0.00 and the uncanny ability to
drink until a couple dawns down the road
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As Dylan (AMD) might say - It looks like someone poked you in the eye....both eyes?

I have a piece of paper that says I gave huge sums of money to the University of Oklahoma.

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I'm not saying they aren't national title contenders, but they haven't really gotten their cleats broken in yet.  You know?  

;D

QuoteI went to Mizzou and many times wish I would have followed the 18 year program.

What, you didn't enroll in the 6 year plan? A certain "family member" of mine who frequents this board, who shall remain nameless for fear that I would incrimenate myself in past disgressions (ok that was a lousy way of trying to say moi), took the fine folks of the Nebraska educational system up on a 6 year plan where your first year you clouded in a haze of beer, malted milk balls, bong resin, strippers, and such. All before you decide that you might want to attend a class or 2. And you Major in Game Room at the Student Center.

Looks to be a rainy-ass, low-scoring game in Blacksburg.

The first TD that VT had was pretty iffy :P

Is that snow? What the fuck? I wish Alabama could play somebody in the snow just once.


p.s. Say goodbye to #1 and #2...

quite a gutsy performance by BC last night, especially how Ryan picked it up the last 4 minutes after sucking all night. That was one of those "team of destiny" gut checks...maybe.

Yeah it was a pretty amazing comeback.  

As far as gut-checks go, I think there will be plenty this Saturday.

BC's miracle last night was probably good for all of the 1 and 2 loss teams hoping to get back into the picture.  How I figure?  VTU was creeping back into the picture and could have easily run the table, won the ACC championship game, and ended the season with just 1 loss to LSU.  BC will lose at least 2 games - remaining schedule:  FSU, @Maryland, @Clemson, Miami, and possible ACC championship game rematch with VTU.  So we all needed VTU to lose last night, onside kick, and voila.

I hate the algebra that is college football.

QuoteBC's miracle last night was probably good for all of the 1 and 2 loss teams hoping to get back into the picture.  How I figure?  VTU was creeping back into the picture and could have easily run the table, won the ACC championship game, and ended the season with just 1 loss to LSU.  BC will lose at least 2 games - remaining schedule:  FSU, @Maryland, @Clemson, Miami, and possible ACC championship game rematch with VTU.  So we all needed VTU to lose last night, onside kick, and voila.

I hate the algebra that is college football.

It's funny you say that because I was thinking just the opposite.  Va Techs remaining schedule looked tougher so I was thinking I should root for them, knowing they will lose again.  However, after reading your post, I think you make some very good points and I forgot about the ACC championship game.  (I have a "one loss" team of my own, and it really is making this an exciting season.  Every game seems important and I'm enjoying them all tremendously.)

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Just wait until Happy Valley...right aMD? ;)

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Just wait until Happy Valley...right aMD? ;)

We'll just see about that.  

Ewok was wrong about #2, he's going to be wrong about #1, just like he was wrong about USF.  I love SEC fans!  

people at work have been pushing this:

http://www.capitalonebowl.com/Voting/Default.aspx

vote for big red, the best mascot in the history of mascots. all the other things exist; like a bear, a dude, and orange, etc. but big red? i go to wku, and i don't even know for sure what he is--except AWESOME

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I REALLY dislike USC.  GO  DUCKS!!!
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You want an Upset?  I'll say this....If Georgia beats Florida that would mean TN would have a chance to get back in the race to the SEC Championship game, it would also mean that I will post a picture of me streaking naked around my house in every thread in "Off Topic"

FACT!

QuoteYou want an Upset?  I'll say this....If Georgia beats Florida that would mean TN would have a chance to get back in the race to the SEC Championship game, it would also mean that I will post a picture of me streaking naked around my house in every thread in "Off Topic"

FACT!

Fact: They won't be in the race after today.  ;)

The Vol's are just trying to finish this year with a winning record, at this point. I expect the Cocks and Cats to win with ease, given their superior passing and the Vols' pathetic secondary. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see one of those sandwich games to end in an upset, as well. Vanderbilt isn't the joke it used to be (ask Steve Spurrier). I don't like Arkansas at all, this year, but at least it still has Darren McFadden.

10/27      #16 S Carolina         L
11/10      Arkansas                W
11/17      Vanderbilt                L
11/24      at #14 Kentucky       L

I'm usually pretty accurate with my SEC picks...  If my picks are right, we're looking at a 6-6 Season. A damn shame, too, because the Vols were being looked at as a real contender in the East, pre-season.

Sorry Brad that is just fucking crazy, you really need to fix that, there is no way in HELL we will beat Arkansas.   ;)

uh-oh  looks like I'm going to have to go streaking soon.  It's cold as a witches tittie here to.  So just remeber that.

I swear I was telling my wife this morning that Mississippi State would beat Kentucky. She looked at me like she didn't care...

And USF gets ripped off by the refs again against UConn.

it's 6:45 Saturday evening and I really think UT beats SC tonight.

'nuff said  (and if I'm wrong, I'll simply delete this post).

QuoteYou want an Upset?  I'll say this....If Georgia beats Florida that would mean TN would have a chance to get back in the race to the SEC Championship game, it would also mean that I will post a picture of me streaking naked around my house in every thread in "Off Topic"

FACT!

Oh this is gonna be good. :-* :o

I might even make a t-shirt out of it for next Jacket Fest so make sure it's nice and clear. ;)

10-7 OSU aMD.

It's close... 8-)

BTW, what was the deal with the Georgia team celebration after one TD?  I mean, I hate Florida and all, but it seemed a little unneccesary.

Damn, the SEC just cannot be touched. The Vols and the Cocks had plenty of opportunities to win, but it came down to a missed field goal. Wow.

Enjoy that cold trot around the neighborhood, Brian!

QuoteBTW, what was the deal with the Georgia team celebration after one TD?  I mean, I hate Florida and all, but it seemed a little unneccesary.

What I heard was Georgia's coach told his players before the game that they better get an excessive celbration penalty after their first TD of the game (an odd way of challenging the players to be fired up).

Richt is usually fairly strict on his players when it comes to celebrating and whatnot... that entire game, littered with penalties, was just nasty. They pulled out all the stops, for sure. I suppose this makes them the lead in the East? Hopefully they'll hold onto the SEC East so Alabama can have a rematch with them in Atlanta ( ;) ).

Mississippi State whipped Kentucky's ass, too. The highlights of that one just blew my fucking mind. I guess after taking down Auburn and Kentucky, and perhaps a few more before it's all said and done, we can expect to see Croom another year. Gotta hand it to him!

;D

Quote10-7 OSU aMD.

It's close... 8-)

Well, I guess OSU is for real in the Big 10.  That game wasn't even close!

Great games in the SEC and Pac-10 though.  I'm glad to see USC went down again.

YES! My (UCONN) Huskies go 7-1 with their defeat of USF.  Damn I gotta get to the new stadium for a game this year.

I just wanted to remind everyone that [size=18]THE Ohio State Buckeyes are #1[/size]


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Well, Lamarcus "The Smoker" Coker has just been kicked off the University Of Tennessee's football team for good today after his fourth positive drug test.  He WAS our biggest threat on offense.  

Sorry for your loss Brad :(

I really thought they had it for a second...close game though, and props to the Tide for giving LSU a tough fight.

It sucks that we couldn't quite snatch it, but I'm really proud of my Crimson Tide. For the majority of the game, Alabama beat the living hell out of the best team in the country. After that showing, I think Alabama's rank should have gone up ...

There were two calls from the referees that had the stadium in an uproar. One in particular cost us the game, perhaps... that is what stings the most with this loss, knowing that our victory was an overturned call away. I won't go into the conspiracy of having SEC Officials lean towards a team that could get the conference another National Title, over a team where the SEC Title was the sky's limit... but a lot of folks left that stadium feeling cheated. LSU fans weren't happy about it either, since it sort of tainted their victory.

Awesome football game, either way. Typical SEC Rivalry game.


So, 11 out of 12 SEC Teams will be bowl eligible, this year. I wonder how many of those teams will make the cut? The Southern Conference has got to be pretty appealing for the bowl sponsors, I would think... easily the best football in the nation, and most of our schools travel extremely well and spend tons of cash.

QuoteFor the majority of the game, Alabama beat the living hell out of the best team in the country.

There were two calls from the referees that had the stadium in an uproar. One in particular cost us the game, perhaps... that is what stings the most with this loss, knowing that our victory was an overturned call away. I won't go into the conspiracy of having SEC Officials lean towards a team that could get the conference another National Title, over a team where the SEC Title was the sky's limit... but a lot of folks left that stadium feeling cheated. LSU fans weren't happy about it either, since it sort of tainted their victory.

I love delusional babma fans! lol   Beat the living hell out of LSU? Look at the stats, silly:

 First Downs     LSU- 21   bama- 20
 Total yards      LSU- 475   bama- 254
  bama had   33 rushes for 20 yards!
 and ol QB Elroy Jimmy Bob was 14/40

good grief man, what game were you watching?

and the refs?

Check the stats again, crybaby:
LSU- 14 penalties for 130 yards.
Alabama-  2 penalties for 15 yards.

And Bama fan wants to still cry about the officiating? 14 penalties vs 2; 130 yards in penalties vs 15, but the refs were leaning towards LSU? Makes PERFECT SENSE from those stats, huh? poor, poor bama just couldn't get a break from the big bad refs.  ;D ;D

How about you stop LSU on 4 and 4 with the lead and the game on the line? How about you don't fumble the ball on your own 15 with less than 2 minutes? How about your receiver holds onto the ball on your last offensive play? How about you quit crying about the refs, who penalized LSU 7x more for 8x as many yards? Face it, LSU made the plays at the end, bama didn't.

so tired of crybabies

and I'm a life long fan of SEC football, and I'd say this is a down year for the SEC. Outside of LSU beating Va Tech, the SEC has sucked outside of conference. Cal torched UT, USF beat Auburn, Fla St beat bama, West Virginia lit up Miss. St., Mizzou beats Ole Miss

I mean, who have we beat outside of conference this year that's any good? Just about any team we have played from a major conference has beaten us.

I'm not so sold on how big and bad we are, going into November.

Delusional? Probably. But Alabama put up 3 unanswered touchdowns and a field goal in the second and third quarters. The momentum was definitely in our favor for the majority of the game, as well. Delusional? Maybe so. Crybaby? No way. But that's funny anyway coming from an Ole Miss fan,  ;)...

QuoteI'm not so sold on how big and bad we are, going into November.

That's fine, but I see 7 SEC teams in the BCS Top 25, going into November. I think that's twice as many as any other conference in the NCAA. You'll also find that out of the six 3-loss teams in the rankings, five are SEC teams. That is significant. And, like I said before, the only Southern Conference team that isn't to be bowl eligible is your Ole Miss team. 11 out of 12 ain't bad.

As far as the out of conference play is concerned... I can't argue with you on that one, because my biggest gripe about the schedules is that we don't take on bigger names and visit bigger venues. But, I think it's worth noting that SEC teams this year have on their schedule an average of 5 or 6 teams in the Top 25. That's better than most conferences average out, I think, and it is certainly better than most, if not all, of the teams in the Top 10.

The Big 12 has three teams in the top 10 ;)

MJ I'm sorry brother, giving up 76 to Kansas has got to hurt :-/

-LSU has worlds of talent and one of the worst coaches in the SEC.  With all that talent on offense Less Miles still has trouble figuring out ways to succeed on offense.  Alabama has a better coach and some big-time playmakers.  In many ways ALABAMA DID beat their ass (when you consider how much Talent LSU has).  It kills me to see LSU out talent people while Les Miles just sits back and smiles.  I was truly broken hearted for Alabama in that game.  I'm a TN fan but I'm also just a huge fan of the SEC.  I'll also tell you right now that if I could trade Ainge for one QB in the SEC it would be John Parker Wilson.  Tebow may be more talented but Wilson is much more Savvy.........Plus, didn't Tebow CRY after the loss to LSU, and that was after he pretended to talk on his cell phone after a TD.   Tebow = Douchebag

-At this point in time the SEC has drawn in some of the best coaches in the Country, recruiting has now been spread between almost every team in the conference instead of the top three in each division.  Parity!  (catch up ole miss  ;))  blah blah blah BRENT SHAFFER!  

-The SEC IS somewhat diluted.  Having said that if you put an all-star team together in each conference (and pick the best coach from each conference to coach that team) the SEC would beat every single other conference out there hands down....FACT!

-It killed me tonight when one of the local sports talk hosts here in Knoxville had the audacity to claim that every other team in the SEC EAST would love to be us right now.  I could believe that every team in the East would love to be in first place but to say they would love to have our team and be facing Arkansas, Vandy, and Kentucky is whole different story.  It's hilarious how the media around here spins everything in order to kiss our coaches ass.  I swear, there can not be a more powerful man in Knoxville than Coach Fulmer.  

Thank you for pointing out that the SEC is not the best conference in football so I wouldn't have to.  And while we're at it, let's do away with this notion that it's a "down year" for the Big Ten.  Besides OSU, everyone in the Big Ten is underrated.  they have seven bowl eligible teams.  But for some reason they got labelled as being "down" this  year.  Perhaps it's because no one's giving OSU a run for their money, but that doesn't mean they're no good compared to all those 3 and 4 loss SEC teams.  IMO, Purdue should be in the top 25 over UT and Michigan would stomp the hell out of the Bulldogs.

I hope that LSU runs the table so that we can have a Big 10 - SEC showdown in the national championship once again so that the Buckeyes can avenge last year's loss!

Go Buckeyes! Still #1!

I hope LSU takes on Ohio State, too.

The Buckeyes are winless against SEC teams in bowl games.

You should see the score comparison... pretty sick.

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 I'll also tell you right now that if I could trade Ainge for one QB in the SEC it would be John Parker Wilson.  Tebow may be more talented but Wilson is much more Savvy.........  

if by "savvy" you mean "pretty," then yes.
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arguments aside, i had a good time watching the game this weekend. we may not have won, but i was glad we were able to put up so many points against a powerhouse like lsu.

and i am glad glen dorsey wasn't out for good with injuries. sure, he was on the other team and all, but he's a good player. i'm happy he recovered after auburn chopblocked him two weeks ago.

all in all, i am proud to be a bama girl. javier arenas is my hero this week, and this month is all about one thing for me: the iron bowl. it's on. roll tide.

oh, and how awesome was it that navy ended notre lame's 43-year winning streak?

I am speaking out of logic and reason when I say the SEC is down this year. I am basing it on our out of conference record against the BCS conferences (1-5). Taking the emotion out of the equation makes the big picture clearer. Like saying the refs were doing everything they could to get LSU a win against bama, when in reality, LSU had 14 penalties and bama had 2. If you're looking for a conspiracy theory with the refs, logic and reason say the refs were on the bama side 7-1. But, when you throw in emotion and crimson colored glasses, it looks like the refs had it in for bama.

I mean face it, bama and florida beat Ole Miss by 3 and by 6, and Ole Miss sux. One big play (just one) and Ole Miss beats both of those teams. And Ole Miss eeked out a win over Division 2 NW St over the weekend. Missouri beat us by 2 touchdowns. Can you imagine what oregon would do to Ole Miss?

I'm just saying...overall the talent in the SEC is probably the best, but college football is coming into parity (I think mostly b/c anyone can get on TV now, so the big high school stars don't have to commit to the old TV schools; the traditional powerhouses) and if the SEC is as great as we think, then why are we 1-5 against the other BCS conferences?

QuoteThe Big 12 has three teams in the top 10 ;)

Make that the top 6! ;)

Damn I wish Alabama would have held on in that game.  I'd be saying three teams in the top 5 if they had.  Now I have to hope that two of the top three lose another game.  And of course, Mizzou has to take care of business the rest of the way which is certainly no easy task.   This sure is fun.  I must say, I am the first person to vote for a playoff system, believe me.  But if there was a playoff, a lot of this bull shit we are talking would go away.  And it's kind of fun. :)

QuoteThe Big 12 has three teams in the top 10 ;)

MJ I'm sorry brother, giving up 76 to Kansas has got to hurt :-/

That was just brutal. What the hell is going on this year? Kansas and MO both in the top ten with a strong possiblity that Kansas could play OSU in the BSC game, Notre Dame sucks beyong belief (not that I'm complaining about this one), some school from Florida that I've never heard of was an early contender, Michigan isn't that great (again, not complaining much on this one), and teams are bouncing around the standings with the frequency of a cheap hand radio. This is the craziest year I can ever remember.

QuoteI hope LSU takes on Ohio State, too.

The Buckeyes are winless against SEC teams in bowl games.

You should see the score comparison... pretty sick.

0 - 8 to be percise.  Mostly blow-outs.  I'm no SEC fan (I will continually harp that the ACC gets too little football love; maybe not this year), but my guess is that the ole SEC will do just fine come bowl season.  The point about out-of conference games is instructive though, not only the lack of wins, but the lack of games.  Schedule somebody allready!

My adopted USF has come back to earth, but even they beat Auburn at Auburn.  They've been trying to get Florida to play them for years, but Florida would rather continue their important rivalry with Western Carolina.

And sorry, but the Big Ten is overrated in every sport every year.  Appalachian State?  North Dakota State?  So yes, Ohio State will again play for the fake championship this year and they will lose to the whatever PAC 10 or SEC team that is still standing.

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So yes, Ohio State will again play for the fake championship this year and they will lose to the whatever PAC 10 or SEC team that is still standing.

;D

I will almost guarantee that one of the two teams playing in the championship game will be a Big 12 team.  I base this on remainging strength of schedule and the fact that it's almost inevitable that either OU, MU, or KU will win the rest of their games.  So when it is all said and done, whoever that team is will be the best one loss (or less) team available.  This is based on the fact that I think LSU's and Oregon's SOS will go down over the next couple of games.  I could be wrong.

Three more days and I can get rid of drunk Tony.

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Are you under some kind of court order?  I can help you find a loophole pro bono if you need.  I like your Big 12 hypothesis, but Mizzou and Kansas play each other in what amounts to an emilination game at the end of the season and then there's that pesky Big 12 Championship game.  So at least 2 of the 3 are gone.  Colorado is a bad loss for Oklahoma.  If Kansas runs the table - maybe.  If Mizzou runs the table and redeems their 1 loss by beating OK the championship - maybe.  I have a harder time with making the case for OK, they need to run the table and get help.

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 So at least 2 of the 3 are gone.  

But that my friend is exactly the point.  2 of the 3 are guaranteed gone, but it all but guarantees that one is not!  See what I mean?

I lost a Cardinals/Cubs bet to Rugbird and it was for 30 days of avatar chosen by the other person.  I thought it was going to be a Cubs logo, but rugbird cleverly stuck me with Tony at his worst moment.

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And sorry, but the Big Ten is overrated in every sport every year.  

That's a pretty big statement.  I'd like to see what USF would do against Appalachian State (talk about underrated) but you'll never hear me say a positive thing about michigan.  ;)

btw, though OSU's head-to-head record against the SEC is piss poor, let's not forget that they have way more national championship then just about anyone.  so if you wanna talk history we can go all day.  starting with that "fake" national championship they WON in 2002...

sure, we had some bad out-of-conference losses this year but at least we had SOME wins.  What did the SEC have, one? So why are the 3-loss SEC teams ranked and the Big Ten's not?  Purdue has three losses, against #1 Ohio State, @ #12 Michigan, and @ #24 Penn State and they are somehow ranked behind NINE SEC teams including four-loss South Carolina.  I agree that most years the Big Ten gets the benefit of the doubt but this year they are getting the shaft because they were dubbed "down" early.  probably because of Michigan (I could've told you they suck!)

QuoteI will almost guarantee that one of the two teams playing in the championship game will be a Big 12 team.  I base this on remainging strength of schedule and the fact that it's almost inevitable that either OU, MU, or KU will win the rest of their games.  So when it is all said and done, whoever that team is will be the best one loss (or less) team available.  This is based on the fact that I think LSU's and Oregon's SOS will go down over the next couple of games.  I could be wrong.

If Mizzou runs the table that means they've beaten the #4 and #5 teams in the polls in the last two weeks of the season, helping their chances to get into the title game.  Same thing for Kansas and they will be undefeated.  Granted I think if OU runs the table they will still need some help.  

Does anyone else think it's kind of shitty that the Big 10 and the Pac 10 don't play conference championship games? :-/

If Ohio State doesn't slip up before the BCS title game I predict they get their ass handed to them again by whoever they play!

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Does anyone else think it's kind of shitty that the Big 10 and the Pac 10 don't play conference championship games? :-/

the whole system sux and it's only a matter of time until a playoff system is implemented.

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Does anyone else think it's kind of shitty that the Big 10 and the Pac 10 don't play conference championship games? :-/

the whole system sux and it's only a matter of time until a playoff system is implemented.

Tracy, are you for a plus one system or an eight team playoff?

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Does anyone else think it's kind of shitty that the Big 10 and the Pac 10 don't play conference championship games? :-/

the whole system sux and it's only a matter of time until a playoff system is implemented.

Tracy, are you for a plus one system or an eight team playoff?

I'm for an 8 team playoff. There is no other major college sport that has a plus one system (much less a championship game picked by pollsters). You get rid of one of those bogus games that add up to a practice game (you know, the ones against the schools you never heard of?), you get rid of the conference championship game (which is only played for more money for the conference), and you're done by the first week of January. Teams would schedule up (like in NCAA basketball; no more cake walks b/c strenghth of schedule matters more). It's a win-win-win except for the old money folks that want to keep ti as it is. Can you imagine the match-ups if it started next week?

#1 Ohio St vs #8 Boston College
#2 LSU vs #7 West Virginia
#3 Oregon vs. #6 Missouri
#4 Kansas vs. # 5 Oklahoma

with possible second round games:

Ohio St vs Oklahoma
LSU vs Oregon

and finally

Oregon vs Oklahoma for the real National Championship

(or just mix and match your wishful upsets!)

Are these games played at neutral sites?  Keep the bowl designations using the top seven bowls for the games rotating the championship?   Does BCS still decide the top eight?  

What do you think about taking a conference "champion" from eight different conferences.  SEC, Big 10, Pac 10, Big 12, ACC, Big East, Mtn West and WAC.  This would require us to throw the Sun Belt, Mid Am and Conf USA out of Division One but that's alright with me.  Force Notre Dame to join the Big Ten.  Just a thought.  A stretch, but I think it would be interesting.

QuoteAre these games played at neutral sites?  Keep the bowl designations using the top seven bowls for the games rotating the championship?   Does BCS still decide the top eight?  

What do you think about taking a conference "champion" from eight different conferences.  SEC, Big 10, Pac 10, Big 12, ACC, Big East, Mtn West and WAC.  This would require us to throw the Sun Belt, Mid Am and Conf USA out of Division One but that's alright with me.  Force Notre Dame to join the Big Ten.  Just a thought.  A stretch, but I think it would be interesting.

Don't quite think that would work. Supposing the SEC dominated one year and they only get one entry? I say keep the traditional Bowl matchups for the first round (Pac-10 champ vs Big 10 champ in Rose Bowl, ACC champ vs Big 12 champ in Orange Bowl, SEC champ in Sugar Bowl), with at-larges filling in the remaining spots. That way we can keep the bowl system for teams that don't make it in, but still make it possible for every team to make it in.

QuoteAre these games played at neutral sites?  Keep the bowl designations using the top seven bowls for the games rotating the championship?   Does BCS still decide the top eight?  

I'd stick with the BCS picking the top 8. I'd would have hated to see Boise St left out last year if there was a playoff. I'd say neutral sites, starting with like the Cotton Bowl, Chik-Fil-A (old Peach bowl), Fiesta Bowl, Orange Bowl, then move on to the Rose and Sugar, then pick a brand new bowl for the championship game.

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And sorry, but the Big Ten is overrated in every sport every year.  

That's a pretty big statement.  I'd like to see what USF would do against Appalachian State (talk about underrated) but you'll never hear me say a positive thing about michigan.  ;)

btw, though OSU's head-to-head record against the SEC is piss poor, let's not forget that they have way more national championship then just about anyone.  so if you wanna talk history we can go all day.  starting with that "fake" national championship they WON in 2002...

sure, we had some bad out-of-conference losses this year but at least we had SOME wins.  What did the SEC have, one? So why are the 3-loss SEC teams ranked and the Big Ten's not?  Purdue has three losses, against #1 Ohio State, @ #12 Michigan, and @ #24 Penn State and they are somehow ranked behind NINE SEC teams including four-loss South Carolina.  I agree that most years the Big Ten gets the benefit of the doubt but this year they are getting the shaft because they were dubbed "down" early.  probably because of Michigan (I could've told you they suck!)

I'd like to formally thank the Big Ten for supporting me and my big mouth.  The basketball season had just tipped and:

Findlay 80 - Ohio State 78
Grand Valley State 85 - Michigan State 82 (MSU was the preseason pick to win the conference and ranked 8th).

1 week, 2 Division II loses.

I like keep the bowls, winners of the big 4 play in national semis, winners there play for the title.  6 big conference winners get in with 2 wild cards picked from the rest by computers.

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I'd like to formally thank the Big Ten for supporting me and my big mouth.  The basketball season had just tipped and:

Findlay 80 - Ohio State 78
Grand Valley State 85 - Michigan State 82 (MSU was the preseason pick to win the conference and ranked 8th).

1 week, 2 Division II loses.

exhibition games; they don't count and most teams play like they don't count  :-/

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I'd like to formally thank the Big Ten for supporting me and my big mouth.  The basketball season had just tipped and:

Findlay 80 - Ohio State 78
Grand Valley State 85 - Michigan State 82 (MSU was the preseason pick to win the conference and ranked 8th).

1 week, 2 Division II loses.

exhibition games; they don't count and most teams play like they don't count  :-/

The bench sitters for Big Ten teams play these games hard for playing time later in the season.  Even the last guy on MSU's bench is a highly touted prospect that had scholarship offers from all over.  So exhibition or not, these losses are indicative of overall quality.  That being said, Kentucky got smoked by Gardner Webb last night in a real game.  They are Division I, but barely - that was a short honeymoon Mr. Gillispie.

QuoteSo exhibition or not, these losses are indicative of overall quality.  

right, and since the Patriots lost their first 2 pre-season football games we can conclude that they're overrated...


exhibition smechshasition

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QuoteSo exhibition or not, these losses are indicative of overall quality.  

right, and since the Patriots lost their first 2 pre-season football games we can conclude that they're overrated...


exhibition smechshasition

Are we going to do the apples and oranges thing again?

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right, and since the Patriots lost their first 2 pre-season football games we can conclude that they're overrated...


exhibition smechshasition

Are we going to do the apples and oranges thing again?

no

I'm just wondering why the fuck we're talking about college basketball on the college football thread...    :-/

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If I could focus, I wouldn't be on here posting anything.

Mississippi St.- 17
Alabama- 12

damn refs!  >:(

what a great quote from MSU coach Croom: "We've got bragging rights now," said Croom, the Tuscaloosa, Ala., native said. "I don't have to say anything, but if I want to I can."

jeeeez, Ohio State got dominated that last Illini drive (your opp. runs the final 8 minutes off the clock, in your own house?). Plus, OSU ran 3 plays in the 4th quarter! 3!  ;D ;D  Talk about showing your true colors, OSU gave up over 400 yards in total offense. Then the OSU players are throwing punches at the Illini players after the game? Probably blame the refs...

Now that we got the Big 10 riff raff out of the way, maybe we can have a real BCS championship game this year. Hoping for LSU v Oregon.

-how about Hawaii vs Kansas?

Yup.  And what a balsy play for Illinois to go for the QB sneak on the 4th down.  Very key.

On the plus side, this should shake things up in the BCS.  I agree with you Tracy...an LSU v. Oregon game would be ideal at this point.

roll Tide ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;Dcongrats you just lost to the door mat of the SEC

QuoteLSU v. Oregon

Not gonna happen. The train that is Ole' Mizzou cannot be stopped. ;)

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Quotecongrats you just lost to the door mat of the SEC

You've got the wrong Mississippi team, you're thinking of Ole Miss. Though they came close to beating Bama, too.

As for Mississippi State... MSU is now bowl eligible, with wins over Kentucky and Auburn in their own backyards, and now a big one against Alabama. It's kind of hard to call them the door mat when they've beaten the #2 in the SEC East and both of the #2 runners of the SEC West, this year.

It wasn't pretty, that's for sure. John Parker Wilson had a complete and total mental breakdown on the field, today, and his poor decisions have cost us another game. I'm wondering what Coach Saban is up to? He's made it clear time and again that he would prefer we lose a game with a JPW than to give the backup a chance. Our backup is not a redshirt, but for some reason, unknown to the public, Saban has refused to give him any playtime (3 snaps all year, I believe).

My guess is that Saban thinks he can sign Star Jackson by somehow demonstrating how much better our season could have been if we had a reliable gun. I won't question the man's recruiting ability...

Anyway, I'm really happy for Croom. I've always had a soft spot for the guy, and I was almost positive that this was to be his last season at MSU... I guess not! Bottom line is, though, he'd better tell his kids to enjoy this victory for the next few days - Mike Shula's recruits will be phased out quickly.


It helps that Georgia destroyed Auburn, Notre Dame lost again, and "THE"  "#1" (111!!!!oneone!!!lolz) Ohio State was spared a BCS bowl embarassment, too.

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Not gonna happen. The train that is Ole' Mizzou cannot be stopped. ;)

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Not so fast!  That train has already been derailed once BH ;)
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very true ;)the thought of Saban at Bama should scare some people....Tip your hat to Crooms..those guys deserve a bowl.....crazy football season :P

Alabama will be picked over MSU to go to a bowl game, strictly because we travel better and spend craploads more money... but I really hope Croom can take his folks to a bowl game. They are awesome this year, for an MSU team, I mean.

Anyway, enough about them... I'm wondering what to expect from the Iron Bowl. We've got Tommy Tubberville flirting with the idea of going to Texas A&M. It's Saban's first Iron Bowl, too, and we're in a 5 year losing streak. Both teams are coming off of an embarrassing loss. Both teams have a quarterback that is unreliable.

This one could be close. Check this out...

UGA beat Alabama - 26-23
UGA beat Auburn -  45-20

LSU beat Alabama - 41-34
LSU beat Auburn - 30-24

MSU beat Alabama 17-12
MSU beat Auburn 19-14

Alabama beat Arkansas 41-38
Auburn beat Arkansas 9-7

Alabama beat Vanderbilt 24-10
Auburn beat Vanderbilt 35-7

Alabama beat Ole Miss 27-24
Auburn beat Ole Miss 17-3

yeah Ewok, I'll be pulling for Bama over Auburn, considering tubberville lied to his players (and neighbors) at Ole Miss and left for Auburn. Hope you guys don't let me down.

USF screwed me earlier when I was rooting for them over Rutgers.

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Quoteyeah Ewok, I'll be pulling for Bama over Auburn, considering tubberville lied to his players (and neighbors) at Ole Miss and left for Auburn. Hope you guys don't let me down.

Truthfully, I don't like our chances against Auburn. My preseason pick was 8-4 with losses to Georgia, Florida State, LSU, and Auburn... so now we'll need a win against the Barn to make up for the humiliating loss to MSU. The only chance we've got is if, on top of Auburn being hungover from the loss to Georgia, we take this simulated BYE week and somehow fix the quarterback situation.

Otherwise, there is no way we can win against the Barn, not when our quarterback gives more passing yards in interceptions than in forward passing to his own receivers.

I can't say I'll be totally heartbroken from here on out, since our bowl selection isn't going to be pretty... I'm just ready for the season to wrap up, as I'm excited to see what comes out of the recruiting.


Oh, and as far as the lyin' bastard over at Auburn... I can't bash Tubby too much, as Saban lied about leaving the Dolphins, too. Haha. But shit, Tubby took it a little too far when he said he'd only leave Ole Miss in a pine box...




As far as USF goes... I wouldn't have put any money on them, even though they were doing well winning out of their class. I just didn't like what I saw.

But, I admit, I was wrong about USF. I was wrong about BC. And I was wrong about Ohio State.

So I'm gonna keep my mouth shut.

:-[



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#1 LSU
#2 Oregon
#3 Oklahoma

For the first time this season, the Top 3 is legitimate.

That's a good top three but LSU would get smoked by Oregan and Oklahoma.  

QuoteThat's a good top three but LSU would get smoked by Oregan and Oklahoma.  

I dunno. As battered as LSU was, they still managed to put up an effortless 50 points on some nobody team, this weekend. I could certainly live with either of the three being crowned, but in looking at injuries and whatnot - I see Oregon struggling to hold their ground and being bumped off, giving us a pretty awesome LSU v. Oklahoma game. If that becomes the case, I predict LSU soundly defeating Oklahoma, like they did in 2005(?).

And hot damn, I hope Georgia is given a shot at Ohio State...

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I dunno. As battered as LSU was, they still managed to put up an effortless 50 points on some nobody team, this weekend. I could certainly live with either of the three being crowned, but in looking at injuries and whatnot - I see Oregon struggling to hold their ground and being bumped off, giving us a pretty awesome LSU v. Oklahoma game. If that becomes the case, I predict LSU soundly defeating Oklahoma, like they did in 2005(?).

And hot damn, I hope Georgia is given a shot at Ohio State...

;D

don't agree with first comment but would LOVE Ohio So vs GA :)

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I dunno. As battered as LSU was, they still managed to put up an effortless 50 points on some nobody team, this weekend. I could certainly live with either of the three being crowned, but in looking at injuries and whatnot - I see Oregon struggling to hold their ground and being bumped off, giving us a pretty awesome LSU v. Oklahoma game. If that becomes the case, I predict LSU soundly defeating Oklahoma, like they did in 2005(?).

And hot damn, I hope Georgia is given a shot at Ohio State...

;D

I would love a shot at either LSU or Oregon.  But if we play LSU in the Sugar Bowl again I'll say LSU will definetly be favored.  Les Miles has beaten our Savior Stoops twice in his career something not to many coaches can say.  Much rather it be Oregon as the fans down there in New Orleans make a bowl game impossible to enjoy.  I've never been around more classless fans than those of LSU.  Would love to get a revenge game against Oregon after we got cheated out of a win the last time we played them, and in a national title game it wouldn't get any sweeter.  We need to shore up our defense first, giving up 21 pts. and over 400yds of offense to Baylor isn't National Championship material :-/

But Ohio State being exposed definetly makes me ;D ;D

So, am I correct in stating that none of you give Missouri or Kansas a chance at beating Oklahoma in the Big 12 Championship game?  Don't get me wrong, I totally understand you feeling that way if that is the case.  I just want to get a feel for what the rest of the world believes since I am obviously biased.  

Just remember, KU has not lost yet, and MU's only loss has come against #3 Oklahoma, on the road, with their #1 running back on the sideline with an injury.

Either way, I am even more confident now that one way or another, a Big 12 team is going to be in the championship game.

yes you are correct BH but i also am little biased

GO BIG 12!

My Illini pulled it out. who'd a thunk it.  TAKE THAT the now # 7 buckeyes .
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Can someone from Indiana explain to me what a Hoosier is ?
Also is it possible for my 2 favorite teams to play in a bowl game UK vs Ill. ?

QuoteSo, am I correct in stating that none of you give Missouri or Kansas a chance at beating Oklahoma in the Big 12 Championship game?  Don't get me wrong, I totally understand you feeling that way if that is the case.  I just want to get a feel for what the rest of the world believes since I am obviously biased.  

Just remember, KU has not lost yet, and MU's only loss has come against #3 Oklahoma, on the road, with their #1 running back on the sideline with an injury.

Either way, I am even more confident now that one way or another, a Big 12 team is going to be in the championship game.

I have seen all 3 play and I can say all 3 are legit. Oklahoma is Oklahoma, so people will lean towards them automatically. All 3 have a shot, but I am secretly rooting for Missouri  ;) (even though Kansas is a great Cinderella story). No Sooner fan here.

Not really fair that the Pac 10 doesn't have a championship game, but, the whole BCS Championship game format is a sham anyways.

I'm goin with whoever wins between KU and MO (GO KU!!!!) to be in the Championship Bowl.

I just cannot bring myself to root for Mizzou or the Sooners (especially OK)...except if they are playing Notre Dame, TX, or CO.

Who would have ever though that Kansas and/or Missouri would be fighting it out for the Big 12 Championship and possible going to the BCS Bowl.

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Who would have ever though that Kansas and/or Missouri would be fighting it out for the Big 12 Championship and possible going to the BCS Bowl.

I actually predicted it back on page 1 (back on August 26th). No biggie, I happen to know a lot about college football.

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Who would have ever though that Kansas and/or Missouri would be fighting it out for the Big 12 Championship and possible going to the BCS Bowl.

I actually predicted it back on page 1 (back on August 26th). No biggie, I happen to know a lot about college football.

I vaguly remember somthing like that. I just thought you were crazy then. Kansas, come on. Kansas! They were the whipping boy of the Big 8/12 for almost my entire life.

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I thought we were friends.

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Quote'tis one of my favorite times of the year, with the promise of cooler weather and all...

I have a couple of predictions for the season:

The suprise team will be Kansas and I can't say for sure, but they will probably be undefeated going into November. (yes, Kansas!) Mizzou will also be strong and will probably have 1 loss going into November. (my crystal ball is a little fuzzy, it only goes to the first week of November). Cal will not be as strong as people think, and will lose 3 or 4. Ohio St will have their usual bogus #1 ranking until they meet Illini. Oregon will have 1 loss (probably to Cal) and LSU will have 1 loss, that coming at the hands of Kentucky! (yes, Kentucky, probably in OT). Couple of other suprise teams early, but will fade: University South Florida, Boston College, South Carolina, Kentucky, Arizona St.

That's what I am seeing right now...

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Quote'tis one of my favorite times of the year, with the promise of cooler weather and all...

I have a couple of predictions for the season:

The suprise team will be Kansas and I can't say for sure, but they will probably be undefeated going into November. (yes, Kansas!) Mizzou will also be strong and will probably have 1 loss going into November. (my crystal ball is a little fuzzy, it only goes to the first week of November). Cal will not be as strong as people think, and will lose 3 or 4. Ohio St will have their usual bogus #1 ranking until they meet Illini. Oregon will have 1 loss (probably to Cal) and LSU will have 1 loss, that coming at the hands of Kentucky! (yes, Kentucky, probably in OT). Couple of other suprise teams early, but will fade: University South Florida, Boston College, South Carolina, Kentucky, Arizona St.

That's what I am seeing right now...

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I also love the edit feature.

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I thought we were friends.

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HA! Except when it comes to the Tigers. After living in the Lou for almost 10 years, Mizzou Football is the only thing I haven't been converted to (and never will).

I've been pretty good with my picks, this year.

My biggest miss was thinking USC would make it to the title game. I obviously bought into the hype on these guys, because I was hoping they'd make it all the way only to be exposed by a quality SEC team (see also: "THE" Ohio State).

My biggest hit was when I said Notre Dame would lose it's first eight games. I was just being a smartass because there was a Fighting Irish fan in the house... but I guess I nailed that one.

My preseason predictions for the Crimson Tide were absolutely correct until MSU humiliated us. Ugh... I still might hit my 8-4 prediction, but that would require us beating Auburn (I don't see that happening). I'd love to be wrong about the Iron Bowl, and be right about the 8-4 final. If we beat Auburn, we'll beat whoever we play in a bowl game - doesn't matter who it is.

I'm really liking Georgia over LSU, right now... but it seems like the Vols might be able to rob the Bulldogs of the SEC East. I'll predict this... If the Vols make it to the SEC Championship game, they'll be humiliated by LSU. If Georgia makes it, LSU will be stopped dead in it's tracks.


Wanna get real nuts? I say LSU, Georgia, and Florida... are better than Oregon, Oklahoma, and Kansas. Hopefully the BCS will let us see those matchups in some order.

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Wanna get real nuts? I say LSU, Georgia, and Florida... are better than Oregon, Oklahoma, and Kansas. Hopefully the BCS will let us see those matchups in some order.

no way in hell Georgia or Florida are top 5 teams. That's just silly. You really need to re-think this SEC dominace thing, we have done terrible playing other BCS conferences this year. That's a fact.

I'd love to see the SEC kick the shit out of every BCS team (except Auburn) but it just doesn't look so great this year.

I'll agree with LSU but Georgia and Florida, come on Angry :-/

Yeah, yeah. Just trying to stir that SEC pot a little bit...

;D

Seriously, though... When the bowl games are announced, I'm totally game for some friendly forum wavers. I'm not so serious about Florida, and I agree they aren't a Top 5, but I think Georgia is pretty hot right now. Close to Top 5.

Brad, I have a question for you since you obviously spend a lot of time watching the SEC this year.  Does Arkansas have a chance at beating LSU at LSU in two weeks?  Will Georgia be the team playing LSU in the championship?  Do they have a chance to beat them on a nuetral field?

The reason I am asking is that I just realized, in the event (I know it's a longshot) that MU actually makes it to the championship game, that it's being played in New Orleans.  I certainly would rather play Oregon in New Orleans than LSU.  I mean holy crap that would be one hostile environment for what is supposed to be a "neutral" site, eh?

QuoteBrad, I have a question for you since you obviously spend a lot of time watching the SEC this year.  Does Arkansas have a chance at beating LSU at LSU in two weeks?  Will Georgia be the team playing LSU in the championship?  Do they have a chance to beat them on a nuetral field?

The reason I am asking is that I just realized, in the event (I know it's a longshot) that MU actually makes it to the championship game, that it's being played in New Orleans.  I certainly would rather play Oregon in New Orleans than LSU.  I mean holy crap that would be one hostile environment for what is supposed to be a "neutral" site, eh?

Having seen NU play LSU in New Orleans, it is a ruckus time. It's playing going to the Orange Bowl to find out you have to play the Hurricanes.

QuoteDoes Arkansas have a chance at beating LSU at LSU in two weeks?

No, but never say never, right? Even in a year of ridiculous outcomes, I just don't see it happening under any circumstances at all. LSU outclasses Arkansas in every single category, and even when they try their damnedest to throw a game - they just can't help but win. Not only that, but they'll beat you twice.

The coaching will be very interesting to watch, because neither head coach is deserving of the team he's operating... Coach Nut is finished and Les Miles will be once he runs out of Nick Saban's recruits, or heads out to Michigan. Nut may have a tad more motivation to out-coach Les Miles, which isn't too hard, since he'll need something to tack onto his resume at the end of the season, but the fact is that Les Miles' second crutch (besides the amazing talent on the field), is that he has exceptional coordinators.

Houston Nut has no stock whatsoever and you will see exactly why.

Darren McFadden will be lucky to leave Louisiana in stable condition - I'm saying he'll get no more than 100 yards rushing on LSU, and he'll likely get injured in the process. That poor guy has had a bullseye on his number the entire season, because the hogs don't have a passing game to threaten with a spread and every defense in the SEC knows it.

McFadden will run the ball for the majority, and he'll probably take a few snaps once Nut gets desperate to open the field against the run block. The rest of the hogs offensive will be spent giving LSU interceptions.

Another prediction... Watch for Darren McFadden to get sacked into next week. While he has an amazing stiff arm when he's taking the ball upfield - when he takes a snap as a QB, he always seems to step into a classic quarterback stance and state of mind. He dives and slides like a quarterback if he feels pressure. I've seen it numerous times, a couple of times in person. It will blow your mind.

I'm never too hot at picking scores, but I could see LSU putting up 40-ish... and Arkansas left in the teens.

QuoteWill Georgia be the team playing LSU in the championship?  Do they have a chance to beat them on a nuetral field?

I don't know if they will be, but they should be. The only reason they aren't the sure bet is because the Vols spanked them hard... if there is a tie between the two, UT will obviously win the verses and represent the East. It'll be a travesty, but this is the year of travesties.  

If Tennessee goes to Atlanta for the Championship... they'll be smoked.

If Georgia meets LSU in the Championship... Put some cash on the Bulldogs for the upset.

QuoteI certainly would rather play Oregon in New Orleans than LSU.  I mean holy crap that would be one hostile environment for what is supposed to be a "neutral" site, eh?

Trust me, it doesn't matter who is in the title game. In fact, it'd be worse if LSU was bumped off. When I say LSU fans will be sure to make anyone and everyone in their presence absolutely miserable, it comes from rather fresh experience.

Very nice Brad!  Thanks.  So Georgia is my best bet then.....

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LSU outclasses Arkansas in every single category

not hardly. Again, the facts:

Arkansas leads the SEC in rushing (297 a game compared to LSU at 220).
Arkansas also leads LSU in avg. KO return yards ( 22 vs 18)
Arkansas leads LSU in punt returns by a yard
Arkansas' red zone defense is 5th in SEC comapred to LSU's last
Arkansas has converted more 3rd downs than LSU
Arkansas is ranked 1 in defending 3rd down; LSU is 3rd
Arkansas has given up 10 sacks and LSU has given up 24
LSU has been penalized 30 more times than Arkansas
LSU and Arkansas are virtually tied for lead in total offense in SEC (455.3 vs 454.7)
Arkansas is behind LSU in Pass Defense Efficiency by .5 points

not really outclassed in every single category at all

Tracy, don't confuse people with your so called "facts".  This thread is strictly for bullshit, speculation, hearsay and biased fanatacism.

QuoteTracy, don't confuse people with your so called "facts".  This thread is strictly for bullshit, speculation, hearsay and biased fanatacism.

I think my overall bullshit (and me generally being full of shit) supercedes any facts I might convey, therefore, I am qualified.

Here's how I see it happening:

PAC 10

Oregon loses AT Arizona or AT UCLA, the pressure of being number 2 has been too much for most teams this season and with all these other teams nipping at their heals their gonna fall in one of these two games.
USC beats Arizona St


Oregon would still win the PAC 10 and play the Ohio St-Michigan winner.

Big 12

Kansas loses to Missouri
Missouri loses to Oklahoma

Oklahoma wins the Big 12

Big 10

Michigan beats Ohio St giving Coach Carr a 7-6 record against OSU. They go on to play Oregon for a rematch in the Rose Bowl.

SEC

This one is tough and i see two possible outcomes either:
Kentucky has one more trick up it's sleeve and beats Georgia
Tennessee loses to either Vanderbilt or Kentucky
This would send Florida of all teams to the SEC Championship game in which they would beat LSU (i'm all about the upsets)

OR

Georgia wins out and beats LSU in the championship game.

ACC

Clemson loses to BC
VT beats VA

VT beats BC in the Championship game

Big East

West Virginia wins out

This would leave my championship game as:

Oklahoma vs. West Virginia  :-?

hmmm maybe not although that would be a fitting end to a most tumultuous year in College Football. All i'm hopinf for is a Michigan win over the Buckeyes so Coach Carr can go out on top...with a victory in the Rose Bowl as well...GO BLUE!

Florida SHOULD play LSU  in the SEC championship.  That would be a great game!

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not hardly. Again, the facts

You crack me up, dude. Yeah, those are nice little facts, there. Spoken like a true Liberal. Hmm, here's a few stats you forgot when you sought out to prove that LSU doesn't outclass Arkansas (that alone is what cracks me up).

The big picture...

LSU is 9 - 1, #1 in the Nation.
Arkansas is 6 - 4, unranked with no votes.

In the SEC...

LSU is leading the West and the entire SEC conference with 5-1
Arkansas is 2-4, spared from being the worst only because of your Ole Miss.

LSU is 5 and 1 against Top 25 teams...
Arkansas is 0 and 3 against Top 25 teams...

Even though LSU has faced ten Top 25 teams verses Arkansas' three...

LSU has 39.3 points fielded per game.
Arkansas has 38.3 points fielded per game.

Even though LSU took on four of those Top 25 opponents consecutively...

LSU has allowed 16.7 points per game.
Arkansas has allowed 22.8 points per game.

Given the quality of the teams faced, the numbers game doesn't give this stat justice...

LSU has a point margin of 22.6.
Arkansas has a point margin of 15.5.

You talk about QB efficiency, but...

LSU has 235.1 Passing Yards.
Arkansas has 157.7 Passing Yards.

Arkansas is barely leading LSU in rushing yards per game, considering the quality of teams faced. 297.0 to 220.2... that's with a weaker schedule and with Darren McFadden and Felix Jones in the backfield. Nice. Keep in mind that Auburn was able to hold McFadden to 2.5 yards per carry a few weeks ago. Proof enough that he is very mortal against a good defense. Hell, your Ole Winless Miss and Tennessee had him at 5 yards per carry.

More annoying facts you left out... LSU has more 1st downs, more fourth down conversions, less fourth down conversion attempts than Arkansas, and all of that despite having more penalties and more penalty yards against it than any other team in the SEC.


But yeah, I'm totally off the wall when I say LSU outclasses Arkansas.

;D

QuoteKentucky has one more trick up it's sleeve and beats Georgia
Tennessee loses to either Vanderbilt or Kentucky
This would send Florida of all teams to the SEC Championship game

I like Florida, they're a tough team, but I predicted they'd go 8-4 this year and that looks about right. That said, they are out of the SEC picture, and there is no way they could go to Atlanta, no matter how shitty Georgia and Tennessee become.

Georgia leads the conference 5-2, with one conference game left. Florida is 5-3 with no games left. If Georgia lost their last remaining conference game, that'd tie the two teams. SEC rules say that a tie in overall win/loss then goes to a head-to-head comparison. Georgia beat Florida 42-30, so Georgia wins.

Since Tennessee blew Georgia out of the water, though, Tennessee would beat Georgia in a head to head.

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Tennessee will do fine against Vanderbilt, I think. The 'Dores have been looking strong in the first few weeks of the season, but eventually they fall flat. With the win, Tennessee becomes 5-3, with one more game.

Meanwhile...

Kentucky is at Georgia. This is the Bulldogs' final conference game, so they absolutely must win this game to go to Atlanta. If they lose, the season is over for them. It'll be close, but I'm going to pick Georgia to win and stand in the conference lead with 6-3.

Georgia 6-3
Tennessee 5-3

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After that, all eyes are on Tennessee @ Kentucky. I don't like Tennessee here for three reasons... first, it's in bluegrass territory. Second, Kentucky has the best passing game, and Tennesee has the worst secondary. Third, Kentucky will be wanting revenge after losing to Georgia.

If Tennessee wins, they will end up 6-3 in the conference, tying Georgia's record. The Volunteers would win the head-to-head comparison against Georgia, and represent the SEC East in the SEC Championship game. I've said it before, I'll say it again, LSU would tear them up.

If Tennessee losses, though, Georgia goes to the SEC Game and beats LSU in an upset...



I say Tennessee beats Vanderbilt, losses to Kentucky... while Georgia beats Kentucky, and gets and upset against LSU at the conference championship.

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LSU outclasses Arkansas in every single category

not hardly. Again, the facts

You crack me up, dude. Yeah, those are nice little facts, there. Spoken like a true Liberal. Hmm, here's a few stats you forgot when you sought out to prove that LSU doesn't outclass Arkansas (that alone is what cracks me up).

The big picture...

LSU is 9 - 1, #1 in the Nation.
Arkansas is 6 - 4, unranked with no votes.

In the SEC...

LSU is leading the West and the entire SEC conference with 5-1
Arkansas is 2-4, spared from being the worst only because of your Ole Miss.

LSU is 5 and 1 against Top 25 teams...
Arkansas is 0 and 3 against Top 25 teams...

Even though LSU has faced ten Top 25 teams verses Arkansas' three...

LSU has 39.3 points fielded per game.
Arkansas has 38.3 points fielded per game.

Even though LSU took on four of those Top 25 opponents consecutively...

LSU has allowed 16.7 points per game.
Arkansas has allowed 22.8 points per game.

Given the quality of the teams faced, the numbers game doesn't give this stat justice...

LSU has a point margin of 22.6.
Arkansas has a point margin of 15.5.

You talk about QB efficiency, but...

LSU has 235.1 Passing Yards.
Arkansas has 157.7 Passing Yards.

Arkansas is barely leading LSU in rushing yards per game, considering the quality of teams faced. 297.0 to 220.2... that's with a weaker schedule and with Darren McFadden and Felix Jones in the backfield. Nice. Keep in mind that Auburn was able to hold McFadden to 2.5 yards per carry a few weeks ago. Proof enough that he is very mortal against a good defense. Hell, your Ole Winless Miss and Tennessee had him at 5 yards per carry.

More annoying facts you left out... LSU has more 1st downs, more fourth down conversions, less fourth down conversion attempts than Arkansas, and all of that despite having more penalties and more penalty yards against it than any other team in the SEC.


But yeah, I'm totally off the wall when I say LSU outclasses Arkansas.

;D

Liberal? WTF?

READ THIS>   you wrote that  LSU outclasses Arkansas in every single category. Right? Those are your words. Now, the SEC, in your opinion, is the best conference in the land. So, if Arkansas leads the BEST CONFERENCE in the land in rushing, how in the heck can LSU outclass them in rushing? "Nice little fact" that Arkansas leads the SEC in rushing? Nice little fact?

I NEVER said Arkansas outclasses LSU (jeeez), I was totally responding to your ignorant statement that:

[size=16] LSU outclasses Arkansas in every single category[/size]

EVERY SINGLE CATEGORY? I was responding to THAT.

Arkansas leads the freaking SEC (you know, the best conference in the nation?) in rushing. But in Ewoks world, that means nothing, b/c LSU is LSU and the SEC is the SEC and blah blah blah.

Sort of like saying the refs helped LSU beat Bama when LSU had 7x more penalties.
LSU- 14 penalties for 130 yards. Alabama-  2 penalties for 15 yards.  Duuhhhh, damn refs!

I come here and try to attach some sort of meaning to your belief that Arkansas is OUTCLASSED IN EVERY CATEGORY BY LSU and you accuse me of saying Arkansas is better than LSU. NEVER did I say that, nor do I believe that. Merely responding to your silly statement that:  LSU outclasses Arkansas in every single category (am I getting my point across?)

And you point out Arkansas leading the SEC in rushing is not a big deal b/c they have McFadden and Jones? lol.    What kind of logic is that? They are running backs silly. What the hell?

Come on man, read my posts (and I suggest you re-read my posts so I don't have to fucking re-post my posts). I have been watching SEC football longer than you have been on the planet and I recognize a homer who just throws out bullshit statements like: "Uhhhh, Arkansas is outclassed in EVERY CATEGORY by LSU" or "Duuuhhhh, the refs really had it in for Alabama", when in reality that's not the truth. If you lay your emotions to the side, the big picture becomes clearer.

LSU DOES NOT outclasses Arkansas in every single category

Get it?
Got it.
Good.

I say LSU will have a better rushing game than Arkansas.

edit - Just like Auburn and Tennessee did.

Looks like one of my predictions might come true...dixons out and arizona leads oregon with 7 minutes left...man this season can't get any crazier...but it probably will.

Yep. I said that Oregon would take a fall due to injuries, and sure enough... Arizona wins by 10.

Interestingly enough if Ohio St beats Michigan this weekend (won't happen) they could easily end up in the NC game again. I'm still going with OU and WV

QuoteYep. I said that Oregon would take a fall due to injuries, and sure enough... Arizona wins by 10.

What was your prediction for bama against my my mighty Seminoles?

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QuoteYep. I said that Oregon would take a fall due to injuries, and sure enough... Arizona wins by 10.

What was your prediction for bama against my my mighty Seminoles?

From this thread...

Quote#22 Alabama at Florida State

FSU bothers me, here... They aren't that great of a team, certainly nowhere near as good as Georgia. Still, since before the season I've had this game circled on the calender as one of those, "Don't talk too much smack" days. Of the grayscale games that really bothered me as totally unpredictable, this was the last of the three where I was reluctant to chalk it up as an easy win (the other two were #16 Arkansas and #22 Georgia).

I'm thinking Alabama is going to be set to redeem itself, even though they were far from shamed last week, but the boys will show a newfound tenacity that'll make Bobby Bowden proud.

My preseason pick was that Alabama would lose. And they did, quite soundly so. I just didn't like our offense's chances going into Florida "neutral" territory. Not to mention we all knew that Bowden probably had more invested into beating the Crimson Tide than he has had invested in any other game this season.

Speakings of the Bowden. I know you guys love Bowden, but you better pull the plug on the old man before he runs your program into the ground.

QuoteAlabama 42 FSU 13

So,  I guess if bama would have won you would have referred me to this one?

Dogging Bowden doesn't bother me.  He's done, has been for a  few years now.  He did great things there but it's time for him to move on.  Unfortunately, no one has called me to ask my opinion yet.  I will not; however, talk about our glorious championship seasons in the past during our down years.  Unlike any Alabama fan I have ever known.  I've got good friends that are Alabama fans but godamn it gets old hearing about bear this and bear that and we were robbed in '66 or whenever the hell it was that we weren't even alive for.  

QuoteInterestingly enough if Ohio St beats Michigan this weekend (won't happen) they could easily end up in the NC game again. I'm still going with OU and WV

that's right.  they have as much of a claim to the national title game as any other one-loss team other than LSU.  I predict Missou will beat Kansas and OK will beat Missou and OSU will find their way back into the fake national championship.  

Go Buckeyes!  If the buckeyes fell all the way to #7 I accept Oregon to fall out of the top ten.  I know you all didn't think they should be #1 but at this point in the season they should be higher than #7.

It's kind of stupid to have the preseason rankings and all that. rankings shouldn't come out until week 8 or better yet, the last game of the season...that would be interesting...bollocks to the rankings. i want conference winners only competing for the national championship. It's a joke when Oklahoma played for the NC a couple seasons back and they hadn't even won their god damn conference! if you can't win your conference you have no business playing for anything more than a smaller bowl.

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So,  I guess if bama would have won you would have referred me to this one?

It would have been pretty awesome if Alabama had put up 40 points after a heartbreaker of a loss against Georgia, but I had no faith in our offense putting up 40 points against anyone decent this year - including against FSU. Matter of fact, it's only happened twice, this year.

Oh, by the way, your Fresno State jab was a nice one, I love getting it stirred up a month or so before kickoff.

The inconvenient truth is that the quote I provided you was hours before the game, and I stated outright that my pre-season prediction was that Alabama would lose.

QuoteDogging Bowden doesn't bother me.

I haven't "dogged" Bowden, and I'm sorry that you took it that way. I didn't mean to bother you or hurt your feelings.

QuoteI've got good friends that are Alabama fans but godamn it gets old hearing about bear this and bear that and we were robbed in '66 or whenever the hell it was that we weren't even alive for.  

I doesn't get old for me, I love it. People can bitch and whine about Alabama living in the past as long as they want... just sounds like jealousy to me.

QuoteIt's kind of stupid to have the preseason rankings and all that. rankings shouldn't come out until week 8 or better yet, the last game of the season...that would be interesting...bollocks to the rankings. i want conference winners only competing for the national championship. It's a joke when Oklahoma played for the NC a couple seasons back and they hadn't even won their god damn conference! if you can't win your conference you have no business playing for anything more than a smaller bowl.

Agree/Disagree

I like preseason rankings to an extent, but I think they should reflect the bowl games of the previous season... that's usually the case, but this year had Florida at #6. That's ridiculous.

I totally agree with conference champions being the BCS contenders. It's one step closer to a tournament. All of the Independents need to find a home, all of the conferences need a championship game, and all of the teams with the National Title in their sights need to produce much more respectable and relevant out of conference games.

You did not hurt my feelings.  In fact, I don't even have any, my wife has told me so on several occasions.

I believe there are 2 certainties at this point of the season:

1-Mizzou, Kansas, and Oklahoma are all in charge of their destinies; win out and they're in.

2-LSU is in that same boat. However, LSU loses at Ole Miss tomorrow in an upset of epic proportions

Therefore, make room for West Virginia b/c Ohio St loses to Michigan tomorrow in the Save Lloyd's Ass Bowl.

West Virginia and Mizzou for the title?  :-/

Preseason rankings should have nothing to do with previous bowl wins as the teams that won those games aren't the same anymore. You're telling me that this years Louisville team really should've been ranked where they were? If i had it my way rankings would be done away with but they make things interesting i guess.

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West Virginia and Mizzou for the title?  :-/

That's better than Kansas and Oregan.  I'd like to say OSU/WVU but it'll probably be OSU/OU

QuoteI believe there are 2 certainties at this point of the season:

1-Mizzou, Kansas, and Oklahoma are all in charge of their destinies; win out and they're in.

2-LSU is in that same boat. However, LSU loses at Ole Miss tomorrow in an upset of epic proportions

Therefore, make room for West Virginia b/c Ohio St loses to Michigan tomorrow in the Save Lloyd's Ass Bowl.

West Virginia and Mizzou for the title?  :-/

I like this theory.  Verrrry much.

If yall havn't seen Mizzou play yet, I think you would enjoy that matchup from a strictly spectator point of view.  I know it doesn't quite have the ring to it as "LSU vs USC "or something like that, but do you remember what team gave you the most exciting game last year?

That's right, did you forget already?  Watch and remember.....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WgjKXyL_o24

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That's right, did you forget already?  Watch and remember.....
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WgjKXyL_o24

That was the most amazing game I have ever seen. Never gets old.

It gets old if you're from Oklahoma :-/

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West Virginia and Mizzou for the title?  :-/

That's better than Kansas and Oregan.  I'd like to say OSU/WVU but it'll probably be OSU/OU

would love to see this happen, would also love to see OU crush OSU.  I can't stand the big 10.

I honestly don't really feel as if OU is a national championship caliber team but it's in our own hands so we don't really have anyone to blame if we don't make it there.

QuoteIt gets old if you're from Oklahoma :-/

Sorry man, I was hoping you wouldn't have to see that.

That is the game that should have destroyed the BCS B.S.

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QuoteIt gets old if you're from Oklahoma :-/

Sorry man, I was hoping you wouldn't have to see that.

That is the game that should have destroyed the BCS B.S.

great game, no doubt.  just my team was on the wrong side of that one. :-?

Anyother possibility...say Georgia wins out, OSU wins and either west virginia or oklahoma loses, Georgia could possibly leap frog OSU, beating Kentucky AND LSU, that'd be a hell of an ending for them. Also if OSU beats Michigan tommorrow it still won't be that great for them (pointwise). The strength of schedule will suffer...it's interesting to think that because Oregon lost last night that could effect OSU if they beat michigan. it doesn't get much better than this in the world of sports. :D

Ok everyone.  Ohio State or Michigan?

I'm going with OSU by 7.

I'll go with Ohio State by 43 a la Woody Hayes.

For those who don't know the story.  Hayes' Buckeyes were crushing Michigan 48-7 with only a few minutes left in the game when Hayes called his team out for a two-point conversion making the score 50-7.  After the game when Woody was asked why he would go for two in that situation he said, "Because they wouldn't let me go for three".


Aw shit, I'm getting pumped!

btw, for those of you awake who have HBO.  There is a HBO documentary coming on at 10 about the Ohio State Michigan rivalry.  I'm going to watch it for the third time this week.  It might just show you SEC and Big 12 fans what REAL football tradition is.

I will also be rooting pretty hard for Cincinnati over WVU.  I like both clubs but like UC more, plus it'll help OSU find their way back into the national championship hunt.

Quoteit doesn't get much better than this in the world of sports. :D

a playoff would make it better

for me, there's nothing more exhilirating than March Maddness.

Oh YEAH!  That's Ohio State defense!  Fuck Michigan!

;D ;D ;D

The broadcasters were calling OSU's chances of making the national championship game slim but I think they're not half bad!  Oregan already lost.  Kansas, Missou, and OK play each other so either 2 or all three of them will lose, and LSU still has a SEC championship to play. only problem may be if Georgia beats LSU they could pass OSU in the polls.  I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that all the Big 12 teams fold down the stretch and OSU plays LSU for the national championship.  OOOOoooooooo YEAH!!!

No way does Georgia deserve to be in the championship. Not the same team that lost to South Carolina.

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Quoteit doesn't get much better than this in the world of sports. :D

for me, there's nothing more exhilirating than March Maddness.

Amen.

This just in from Tuscaloosa:

The Sunbelt's own 4-6 Lousiana-Monroe- 21
Alabama and their millionaire coach- 14

Is this what we call SEC football ewok?

PENALTIES:

LA-Monroe- 7 penalties for 65 yards
Alabama-  2 penalties for 15 yards
>:(

It was easily the worst football game I've ever seen in my life. That includes four years worth of high school games, one season of XFL games, a spring season of YMCA non-contact, and a couple of frustrating attempts at TECMO XTREME Football on the original Nintendo.

;D

Oh well. This was the senior game, so Shula's boys can leave the field knowing they've got one more chance to redeem themselves for the total disgrace they've brought to the uniform today (and last week).

Oh, and say what you will about Nick Saban... but I was there, and his coaching wasn't the problem. Saban's first year at LSU included a loss to UAB. Pretty typical of a transition year... win some you shouldn't, lose some you shouldn't.

I really want those four hours of my life back, though... I could have been watching football.

;)

Congrats to Notre Dame for their first win at home, by the way. I look forward to finding out which bowl game they've earned.

QuoteIt was easily the worst football game I've ever seen in my life. That includes four years worth of high school games, one season of XFL games, a spring season of YMCA non-contact, and a couple of frustrating attempts at TECMO XTREME Football on the original Nintendo.

;D

Oklahoma lost?  For real?  Wow.

So it looks like:

1.) LSU
2.) Kansas(?!?!?)
3.) Mizz
4.) WVU
5.) Ohio State


Um...that could be a weird top 25.

QuoteOklahoma lost?  For real?  Wow.

So it looks like:

1.) LSU
2.) Kansas(?!?!?)
3.) Mizz
4.) WVU
5.) Ohio State


Um...that could be a weird top 25.

I'm really liking OSU's chances now.  The best thing they've got going for them is that they're done playing games.  Everyone in front of them has a tough game left on their schedule.  And if this season plays out like it has, the top five are FAR from safe, even from unranked opponents.  

Boy that was the worst Michigan team i've ever seen play...was that really the OSU-Michigan game that i watched because I've never been more disgusted with my team in my life. Henne should not have played and it was only when Mallett came on that we looked like doing anything. That was the only time all day that Hart had any sort of game going for him. Can't wait for DeBord and Carr to be gone...i respect the hell out of Lloyd Carr but man, that was just not right to see. End of an Era at Michigan, here's hoping our new coach brings some creativity to the offense because running on 1st and 2nd down and then passing on 3rd and long is not going to work for us anymore...in fact it has never worked so why we keep doing it is beyond me. I could go on but i just don't care about this one. i'm used to losing to Ohio State in the 21st century so this year is no different...WE NEED A NEW CARR WITH LES MILES!

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Oh, and say what you will about Nick Saban... but I was there, and his coaching wasn't the problem. Saban's first year at LSU included a loss to UAB. Pretty typical of a transition year... win some you shouldn't, lose some you shouldn't.

You are loyal to a fault.  I was at this game too and it was the most uninspired football team I have ever seen.  That IS the coaches fault.  Plain and simple.

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Oh, and say what you will about Nick Saban... but I was there, and his coaching wasn't the problem. Saban's first year at LSU included a loss to UAB. Pretty typical of a transition year... win some you shouldn't, lose some you shouldn't.

You are loyal to a fault.  I was at this game too and it was the most uninspired football team I have ever seen.  That IS the coaches fault.  Plain and simple.

Boy, he's making it better by comparing it to 9/11 and Pearl Harbor.  Couldn't happen to a nicer scumbag.

the iron bowl is saturday. big day for our family. i am excited b/c i get to watch the game with my granddad this year.

yay!

QuoteBoy, he's making it better by comparing it to 9/11 and Pearl Harbor.  Couldn't happen to a nicer scumbag.

This coming from the same clown who said a few pages back in this thread that the University of Alabama staff and fan base are all members of the KKK. That cracks me up...  


It's obvious that Saban was talking about drastic change in response to catastrophic events. Pearl Harbor got us ready for war, and all that he's proposing is that perhaps a loss to ULM will prepare his athletes to show up at the Iron Bowl. 9/11 drastically bolstered the average citizen's spirit and patriotism, and all that he's proposing is that perhaps this humiliating loss to ULM will finally deliver that life-altering sting to his athletes. He even compared this loss to being an alcoholic, realizing that after you've hit rock bottom there is only one way to climb up.

Alabama losing to ULM was catastrophic. It's also the worst thing that could have happened to Auburn. Now, some of those players that just didn't give a shit last week are going to have to show up with something to play for - redemption. History can still smile down on this team, but only if they beat Auburn and end the horrible losing streak. I don't see that happening, but I'm looking for a good Iron Bowl to make up for last week.

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QuoteBoy, he's making it better by comparing it to 9/11 and Pearl Harbor.  Couldn't happen to a nicer scumbag.

This coming from the same clown who said a few pages back in this thread that the University of Alabama staff and fan base are all members of the KKK. That cracks me up...  


It's obvious that Saban was talking about drastic change in response to catastrophic events. Pearl Harbor got us ready for war, and all that he's proposing is that perhaps a loss to ULM will prepare his athletes to show up at the Iron Bowl. 9/11 drastically bolstered the average citizen's spirit and patriotism, and all that he's proposing is that perhaps this humiliating loss to ULM will finally deliver that life-altering sting to his athletes. He even compared this loss to being an alcoholic, realizing that after you've hit rock bottom there is only one way to climb up.

Alabama losing to ULM was catastrophic. It's also the worst thing that could have happened to Auburn. Now, some of those players that just didn't give a shit last week are going to have to show up with something to play for - redemption. History can still smile down on this team, but only if they beat Auburn and end the horrible losing streak. I don't see that happening, but I'm looking for a good Iron Bowl to make up for last week.

Boy oh boy, are you still on that?  I defy you to quote from anything that I have ever posted on this thread that even comes close to me calling Alabama fans and staff members of the KKK.  I did relate a story of some very nasty experiences that I had at an Iron Bowl on Thanksgiving in Birmingham 15 or so years ago.  Are you more upset that I wrote about that experience or that it actually happened?  I can't tell.

Look at the words that you are using to describe a football loss (A FUCKING FOOTBALL LOSS!!!!!!):  Catastrophic (twice); Life-altering; Redemption.  Sports has always been a fertile garden of hyperbole, but I think that there may be a gas leak in your house.

Nick Saban is a lying scumbag who shoots his mouth off without putting any thought into the words that he is saying.  He's the same fuck who makes up statistics about USF's use of non-qualifiers and then refuses to release Alabama's numbers in this regard (See Outside the Lines if you need a citation).  I'm a giagantic, to the point of distraction football fan, but comparing a football loss to life-altering devastation is a sign of mental illness.

Perhaps Nick should sit down with a group of 9/11 widows and offer them counsel and assurance since he now knows how they feel.  And what about the bit about "putting away the belt" with his kids and how difficult that was?  Hey Nick - stop hitting your kids with belts!

yeah, I always found it a bit silly to compare a game to death and destruction. Like when Winslow was a TE at U of Miami and said he was a "soldier". And he meant it, too. In his world, it's "life or death" (this game of football), when, it really isn't. When the real heroes (I mean, the true heroes) of our society come home in body bags with zero sound bites, zero national air time, no million dollar signing bonuses.

I have been thinking a lot lately about sports and the sheer spectacle of it. I was watching Ohio St. Saturday as their team walked out arm-in-arm, in rows, swaying, all their uniforms clean, colorful and matching, and they were basically dancing. I mean, remove the game and the physical contact, and you're pretty damn close to a Broaway musical! And then when they met Michigan at midfield and all the players from both teams were jumping up and down (like children), yelling, taunting, in their matching clean outfits, getting ready to play a game. Very homoerotic... And I thought, this is the silliest thing I have ever seen (I mean, if you really think about the whole planet; death and war and fammine, the sight of those OSU players was Felliniesque, absurd, comical.) And that's not a knock on OSU, it's just an observation on sports in general. It's interesting how our society "allows" men to express themselves, you know?

And the women on the sidelines, all pretty and cheering for their men.

I often ask young men I work with where they are allowed to express emotion and the conversation almost always goes back to the field or the court. Where are men allowed to cry? At the game. Where can men hug and embrace? At the game. Where can men talk obsessively, strategize, talk about other men with awe, argue? Before the game (and then after). Women talking about shopping is the same as men talking about sports. It's bizarre if you analyze it.

It's an interesting discussion for me, having grown up immersed in everything that is atheletic and "manly". But I have recently been thinking about what it all means (sports) and why, for instance, a high school will allot 5 adults to coach 40 boys on a football team but only have one guidance counselor for 200 students. Or why "christians" will foam at the mouth and hate homosexuals (b/c the Bible says so) but will follow their team to the death on Sundays when the same Bible says you should rest on the Sabbath. Or a church will hold services on a Saturday night when the home team plays on Sunday b/c the pastor knows the attendance will be low on Sunday morning b/c of the game (the GAME).

And what about those men who know absoluely nothing about pro/college sports? What are they in tuned to that I am not in tuned to?

I could go on and on and on, and please trust me when I say I am not above any of this and I am not trying to persecute anyone. I will be the first to watch 12 hours straight college football, try to get someone to cover a shift at work if the Saints are on Monday night, take off a Thursday/Friday for March Maddness, etc...
I will say I am less rabid than I used to be and I have not paid money to see the Titans play in the past 4 years.

Thoughts? Comments? Suggestions? Donations?

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BTW:

           [size=18]GO TO HELL AUBURN![/size]

              [size=18]Roll Tide!![/size]

QuoteBTW:

           [size=18]GO TO HELL AUBURN![/size]

              [size=18]Roll Tide!![/size]

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I have been thinking a lot lately about sports and the sheer spectacle of it.

Thoughts? Comments? Suggestions? Donations?

I went and found my response from the last time you were thinking out loud about the meaning of sports.  here's part of my response:

To wax philosophical about it, a game in many ways is a microcosm of life itself.  There's struggle, competition, momentum, rules, leaders, followers, organization, and chaos.  The one big difference being that in the end there is a clear cut winner and loser, which is satisfying for those of us who long for that kind of clarity in life itself. Should it be this way?  Of course, it's our nature, it provides meaning and entertainment at the same time, much like music, which also draws some huge crowds.  

http://www.mymorningjacket.com/cgi-local/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1151333111/11#11

rivals.com top rivalry games:

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=742086

I hate to be dismissive about the value of sports.  It makes me cringe when people say that sports are just a distraction.  For many people (myself included) sports represent the only real opportunity to connect in a meaningful way with their fathers.  I have had a difficult at best relationship with my father, yet my childhood is defined by me and him following Maryland around the country to bowl games, ACC tourneys, NCAA, etc.

My wife and I went to Hawaii 5 or so years ago and I was sitting in hotel on Waikiki beach when Maryland finally won the championship and my thoughts were with my dad and it was fucking emotional and important in my life.  I have never been any sadder in my life than I was when I found out that Len Bias had died.

We used to go to every game at Cole Field House and there was a blind guy who sat outside in the cold and sold hot peanuts before the game.  We went there before every game and bought peanuts.  My dad would give the guy a 20 and we'd get a couple of bags of peanuts.  When I was little I was always amazed that the blind guy knew that my dad was giving him the right amount of money.  As I got older I got it.  My dad's a hard ass, but in a quiet way he was teaching me a small lesson about charity.

All of this bullshit being said, people need to stop equating real human suffering with fucking games and stop allowing their blind allegiance to their teams to let them be sucked into these absurd analogies.

Quoterivals.com top rivalry games:

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=742086

bullshit.

(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc232/bowlofwax/LenBias.jpg)

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Quoterivals.com top rivalry games:

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=742086

bullshit.

What was wrong with it?  I mean, I don't have a stake in either the Alabama/Auburn or Ohio St./Michigan rivalries, which I assume is why the bullshit was called (you wanted OSU Mich. at #1, right?)

Quoterivals.com top rivalry games:

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=742086

Those lesser ranked teams are cute and all with their "history" and "good ol' times" but I prefer the here and now of the KU vs. MU monster rivalry.   Try and top the history behind this leading up to Saturday Night PRIME FUCKING TIME, BITCHES! ;)

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB119552143273498638-lMyQjAxMDE3OTI1MDUyMjAxWj.html

ESPN ran a poll on the Best Rivalry in College Football... the Iron Bowl won that one, too.

QuoteI was watching Ohio St. Saturday as their team walked out arm-in-arm, in rows, swaying, all their uniforms clean, colorful and matching, and they were basically dancing.

Auburn holds hands walking out onto the field, too.

:D :-*

SC vs Clemson at #10??? What madness is this?

This rivalry is second to none, ladies and gentlemen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDzl1dJthYo&feature=related

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Quoterivals.com top rivalry games:

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=742086

Those lesser ranked teams are cute and all with their "history" and "good ol' times" but I prefer the here and now of the KU vs. MU monster rivalry.   Try and top the history behind this leading up to Saturday Night PRIME FUCKING TIME, BITCHES! ;)

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB119552143273498638-lMyQjAxMDE3OTI1MDUyMjAxWj.html

MIZZOU GONNA' BEAT KANSAS BABY!!!

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Quoterivals.com top rivalry games:

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=742086

bullshit.

What was wrong with it?  I mean, I don't have a stake in either the Alabama/Auburn or Ohio St./Michigan rivalries, which I assume is why the bullshit was called (you wanted OSU Mich. at #1, right?)

um...YEAH!  The Ohio State Michigan game is the biggest and best rivalry in all of sports!  Hands down!  I must have missed the HBO documentary on the "Iron Bowl".  Oh yeah, they didn't make one because it's not as big as the OSU-UM rivalry.  

I guess it's mostly a regional thing.  I had never heard anyone say there was a bigger rivalry than OSU-MU until I moved to Kentucky with a bunch of SEC fans.  Three Gs probably would tell you that Duke-UNC is the biggest rivalry in sports, someone in the panhandle might tell you it's Texas-OK.  But anyone with any objectivity will tell you that OSU-MU is the biggest and the best. It'd be nearly impossible for someone to argue that there's a rivalry bigger than UM-OSU, and, no, ESPN viewer polls from the week before the Iron Bowl don't count.  :P

I actually did some research on the iron bowl before posting and found that the two rivalries are similiar in MANY ways.  Both rivalries began in 1897, both "pairs"of teams from the rivalries claim around 18 National Championships between them while the actual number is probably around 15 (you know how National Championships in college football go), the iron bowl is more even as far as wins-losses but the number of championships between OSU and Michigan are more even.  This is an impossible stat to find but I would think that more National Championship campaigns have been ruined in the OSU-MU game.  OSU went into the Michigan game ready to win the National Championship only to be beat 3 times in the 1990s alone.  Michigan had the same thing to them 3 times in a five year period against Woody Hayes' Buckeyes.

However, it's the game behind the numbers that make OSU-UM bigger.  Ohio is the birthplace of football.  It is also a fertile grounds for high school talent.  UM always tries to steal Ohio's best players to beat them which makes the rivalry even more bitter.  Ohio and Michigan, the states, have had a land dispute over a strip of land that dates back to when Michigan became independent of Ohio in the 1830s.  To this day, Ohio and Michigan hate each other.  Michigan fans look down their noses at OSU fans as being redneck while OSU fans feel that UM fans are self-important, stuck-up, assholes.  Obviously no one in the Iron Bowl has any grounds to call the other a redneck since they all live in Alabama (I know I may have reopened that flood gate but I don't care)

I could go on and on, but I'll finish by simply reiterating that the Ohio State-Michigan game is the biggest, best, and most-storied rivalry in all of sports.

I know many have probably seen this (as it's almost 7 years old) but it's ESPN's top 10 list of the greatest rivalries of all time.

http://espn.go.com/endofcentury/s/other/bestrivalries.html

10. Giants vs. Dodgers
A rivalry spawned in New York transferred to the West Coast in 1958. It reached its most famous moment in 1951, when Bobby Thomson's home run beat the Dodgers to win the pennant. When the clubs fought for National League pennants in the '60s, they were also constantly fighting on the field, including the infamous episode when Juan Marichal attacked Johnny Roseboro with a bat. Giants fans loved it when Joe Morgan's homer knocked the Dodgers out on the final day in 1982; Dodgers fans loved it when their team knocked out the Giants in 1993.


9. Redskins vs. Cowboys
The intense loyalty of these teams' fans helped this rivalry hit a peak in the '70s and early '80s. Redskins fans hated Tom Landry, the shotgun offense and the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders. Cowboys fans hated George Allen, Joe Theismann and that ridiculous logo. When they played on Thanksgiving, there were more than a few turkey legs thrown at the TV in disgust.



8. Auburn vs. Alabama
The "Iron Bowl" is the quintessential intrastate football rivalry. In fact, the series was discontinued from 1908 to 1948 because of a long-standing dispute over a referee and per diem pay for players. When the schools finally agreed to play again, the game had to be held in Birmingham, a neutral site with tickets split equally. Auburn finally hosted Alabama for the first time in 1989 and set a stadium attendance record. The most famous meeting came in 1972. Both teams entered with one loss. 'Bama led 16-0 entering the fourth quarter, but Auburn returned two blocked punts for touchdowns and won 17-16. "Punt, 'Bama, Punt," became a famous slogan.


7. Red Sox vs. Yankees
Some say this is merely a media creation, and it's somewhat true, since the two teams have rarely battled head-to-head for the pennant. But, remember this: the Red Sox were the American League's dominant franchise until selling Babe Ruth to the Yankees. Red Sox fans have yet to fully recover. The rivalry has seen the DiMaggio vs. Williams debate, Bucky F****** Dent's home run and Roger Clemens' return to Fenway.


6. Arnold Palmer vs. Jack Nicklaus
Palmer was the fan favorite, the chain-smoking golfer built like a linebacker. Nicklaus was chubby but more talented, the young kid knocking the champ off his pedestal. The rivalry was respectful, with Nicklaus envying Palmer's popularity and Palmer envying Nicklaus' skill. As televised golf became popular in the early '60s, it was this matchup that brought golf to the masses.


5. Maple Leafs vs. Canadiens
When the NHL consisted of six teams, that meant everybody played each other all the time. And no game was as intense as this one. It pitted French Canada vs. English Canada, making it a symbol of hockey's and Canada's history. They've met five times in the Stanley Cup Finals, with Montreal winning in 1959 and '60 and Toronto winning in '45, '51 and '67. Last year, Toronto was moved back into the Eastern Conference to rebuild the rivalry. Visiting fans often drown out the locals in each arena, so you never can tell who's the home team, and even when either team is terrible, players get revved up for regular-season games.


4. Wilt Chamberlain vs. Bill Russell
There were only nine NBA teams for most of the 1960s, meaning Chamberlain and Russell squared off nine to 12 times per season. And since defenses weren't as sophisticated as now, when these two battled it was often without weakside help or double-teaming. Of course, Russell's Celtics always won, which helped build Russell's reputation and depicted Chamberlain as a selfish player who didn't make his teammates better. For example, in 1961-62, Wilt averaged 50.4 points per game, but the Celtics beat the Philadelphia Warriors eight of 12 games. The next season, Wilt averaged 44.8 points per game, but the Celtics beat Chamberlain's San Francisco Warriors eight out of nine. Who was more valuable? It's what made this a classic rivalry.


3. North Carolina vs. Duke
Dean Smith. Coach K. Jordan. Hill. Tobacco Road. Cameron Crazies. The fans are passionate, the teams successful, the games almost always down to the buzzer. Two of the four winningest teams in history, going at it twice a year (and once more in the ACC tournament if we're lucky). This is what college hoops is all about.


2. Muhammad Ali vs. Joe Frazier
They fought three times with two of the brawls considered among the greatest fights in history. Many say their first fight at Madison Square Garden in 1971 is the most signficant boxing match in history. When they met for the third time in 1975 -- "The Thrilla in Manila" -- Ali verbally assaulted Frazier to such a degree in the months leading up to the fight that Frazier remains psychologically damaged to this day.


1. Michigan vs. Ohio State
When Ohio Stadium opened in 1922, Michigan spoiled the party with a 22-0 victory. The rivalry was heated in the early days as both have been long-time college football powers. But it got even hotter in 1969, when Bo Schembechler took over as Michigan's coach and upset Woody Hayes' No. 1-ranked, undefeated Buckeyes. Four times in the next six years, both teams were ranked in the top five when they met. In 1970 and 1973, both were undefeated (they tied 10-10 in '73). From 1970 through 1975, Michigan entered without a loss every year. The Wolverines won just once. Ohio State was 9-0-1 in 1993, 11-0 in 1995 and 10-0 in 1996. The Buckeyes lost each time. That is rivalry.  

oops, I meant 4 out of 5 years. sorry.  Good thing I have the professionals over at ESPN to back me up.  Thanks GGG!

OK, Cards-Cubs has got to be in the top ten.  Not sure what comes out, but it just has to be in there.  Damn East-West coast bias.  Dodgers Giants?  Bullshit.  Dodgers fans don't even show up until the third inning.

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MIZZOU GONNA' BEAT KANSAS BABY!!!

What's up man!  Is Jake going to the game?  Or just a Columbia watering hole?  Either way, I am jealous!   I couldn't go becuase I have Thanksgiving at the in-laws that day.  We are talking about maybe doing a road trip to whatever bowl game they go to.   We shall see.....

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MIZZOU GONNA' BEAT KANSAS BABY!!!

What's up man!  Is Jake going to the game?  Or just a Columbia watering hole?  Either way, I am jealous!   I couldn't go becuase I have Thanksgiving at the in-laws that day.  We are talking about maybe doing a road trip to whatever bowl game they go to.   We shall see.....

GO KU!!!!

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LSU outclasses Arkansas in every single category

not hardly. Again, the facts:

Arkansas leads the SEC in rushing (297 a game compared to LSU at 220).
Arkansas also leads LSU in avg. KO return yards ( 22 vs 18)
Arkansas leads LSU in punt returns by a yard
Arkansas' red zone defense is 5th in SEC comapred to LSU's last
Arkansas has converted more 3rd downs than LSU
Arkansas is ranked 1 in defending 3rd down; LSU is 3rd
Arkansas has given up 10 sacks and LSU has given up 24
LSU has been penalized 30 more times than Arkansas
LSU and Arkansas are virtually tied for lead in total offense in SEC (455.3 vs 454.7)
Arkansas is behind LSU in Pass Defense Efficiency by .5 points

not really outclassed in every single category at all

doesn't look like they were outclassed at all let alone in every single category ;)

DID ANYONE SEE THE LSU ARKANSAS GAME JUST NOW?!?!?!?

3 OT????

50-48!!!!

WOW.

Looks like your buckeyes might get in the bcs game after all aMD.

QuoteDID ANYONE SEE THE LSU ARKANSAS GAME JUST NOW?!?!?!?

3 OT????

50-48!!!!

WOW.

Looks like your buckeyes might get in the bcs game after all aMD.

I thought Arkansas could pull it off...but wow. Kansas the #1 team in the nation??? West Virginia #2??? Missouri #3???  :-?

Ahhhhh. YES! Happy Days in Lincoln! Callahan is officially gone and this holy hell shitty 4 year experiment is over. Now the big question is will it be Bo Pallini or Turner Gill. Either would be excellent choices but my money is on Turner Gill.

auburn is on the next hand.
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It's a sad, sad day here in the good state of South Carolina.

The pieces are all coming together.   (I am so fucking smashed.)    ;D  I want to drive the 90 miles to Columbia right now.  


You just don't realize how crazy this is.   For decades we have been at the bottom of the Big 12 and now we are on the verge of the Big 12 Championship not to mention possibly more........

At the very minimum, you guys gotta love the fact that it might be West Virgina and Missouri for the Championship!!!!  Are you kidding me?

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So it appears to be down to three. If OU beats Missouri, it's OSU vs. West Virginia. If Missouri wins, it's Missouri vs. West Virginia.

I have been a defender of the bowls for years, but I hereby demand a playoff system. Now.

M I Z - Z O U ! ! !

yep.  that "miracle scenario" that would send OSU to the national championship is looking more like a coin flip.  Although I think OSU deserves to be in over WVU even if they do beat Pitt and Mizzou wins out but anyway... I've never rooted for Uconn and Oklahoma in my life, but LET'S GO SOONERS!!!!

(This is at least my third "I told you so" post in this thread.  No, it doesn't get old.  At least not for me)  ;D ;D ;D

 I think the best game would be Missouri-West Virginia. Ohio St. had loads of problems against Juice Williams and Illinois. Think about what Pat White and Steve Slaton would do. TWO 1000 yard rushers on one team. Pat White has a 70 percent completion percentage as well  so he can throw pretty well...and Rich Rodriquez would definitly stand up to Jim Tressel. Man typing this made me really want that game as the NC game...either way it's gonna be awesome.

I didn't catch but one of the three OTs of the Arkansas @ LSU game, but wow. I wonder if this seals the deal between Les Miles and Michigan? Houston Nut is still gone, I bet... people out there just despise the guy.

I caught the Stanford @ Notre Dame matchup, somehow. It had some of the worst officiating I've ever seen... those guys had no authority at all on the field, allowed little fights to break out, were allowing helmet-to-helmet, roughing the passer, etc. The Stanford coach took his QB's helmet after the guy appeared to have a concussion, but a quarter later gave it back to him to try and win the game. That blew my fucking mind... to put him back on the field to probably get sacked again is just disgusting.

Best game of the weekend that I saw was Tennessee @ Kentucky. I didn't think UT could do it, but they hung on and won it. Props to Philip Fulmer, he was probably going to be on the chopping block after this season... not anymore.

I don't really have a dog in the LSU/Tennessee game, since I hate both of them. Sad that Georgia gets shafted out of the SEC Championship game, but that's just the way it works.

As far as the Iron Bowl goes... Interesting how the Barners reported 100,000+ fans in attendance... when their stadium only holds 80,000. BAMA kept it close, a police officer's drug sniffing dog attacked an Auburn wide receiver in the endzone, an Auburn player held up his number "6" backwards, John Parker Wilson looked cute, the commentary sucked, and ESPN tried to promote a really shitty theme song. I've been saying it for four or five weeks, I can't wait for next season.

I guess you could say it's been an ok year for the sooners.  We had a couple of let downs that hurt our chances but it's never bad when we beat Texas and OSU.  Big 12 Championship should be interesting, it's hard to beat a team twice in the same season so needless to say I don't like our chances.  

I really think Chase Daniels deserves some love for the Heisman.  If you haven't seen him yet you really are missing a good quarterback.  Reminds of Doug Flutie, the little guy just wins.  Hermo are you going to the game in San Antonio?  TEO?  Well let's just say I hope it's a fun game to watch.  Looking back at the first one, your running back was out, now we don't have Demarco Murray :-/  I'm just gonna throw this out there OU 31   Mizzou 28

A playoff system would be nice. If Ohio State, West Virginia, Kansas and Mizzou all have one loss, it's unfair to leave two out. Politics and timing. If Ohio State had lost to Illinois the second game of the season, they'd be number 1 now, but since they lost late, they lose out. It's a shame (and a scam).

Hopefully it's just a matter of time.

QuoteI guess you could say it's been an ok year for the sooners.  We had a couple of let downs that hurt our chances but it's never bad when we beat Texas and OSU.  Big 12 Championship should be interesting, it's hard to beat a team twice in the same season so needless to say I don't like our chances.  

I really think Chase Daniels deserves some love for the Heisman.  If you haven't seen him yet you really are missing a good quarterback.  Reminds of Doug Flutie, the little guy just wins.  Hermo are you going to the game in San Antonio?  TEO?  Well let's just say I hope it's a fun game to watch.  Looking back at the first one, your running back was out, now we don't have Demarco Murray :-/  I'm just gonna throw this out there OU 31   Mizzou 28

This goes against everything I was raised on, but I have to cheer for Mizzou for this game. I want the Big 12 to be in the Championship game and this will be the only way. I want to cry now after having just typed that I have route for Mizzou. just what in the hell is this world coming to....  :'(:-/

MJ  WTF!  Rooting for Mizzou how dare you sir! :-?  

Glad to see you guys fired that asshat up there.  Really interested to see who the new hire is going to be.  The Big 12 needs you guys to return to national prominence.  It wouldn't hurt my feelings if you decided to take back that previous post and root for the sooners.

I had to take one for the Conference. It's a bigger sin to cheer for the Sooners in NE. You can get shot for something like that! Man I miss the old NU/OK games....

Not only is Doucheybeday gone, but something like 12 members of his coaching staff. Osborne ain't f'n around. Turner Gill is my pick and Buffalo gave NU permission to talk to him. Callahan was 15-18 against the Big 12, 0-7 against top 10 opponents and 3-10 against the Top 25. He was 0-17 in games in which the Huskers trailed at halftime. That just ain't gonna cut it. Shit, there isn't anything in NE but corn in the East, sandhills in the west and FOOTBALL.

Glad to see you finally came around Mike.... ;)

I am not going to San Antonio but I may be going to New Orleans.  Ya know, I keep hearing that it's tough to beat the same team twice in one year, but I don't know what that has to do with anything.   I'm already getting nervous!

Damn this is fun.

KOEHLER ON BOARD!!!    :)

If there is ever, ever, ever, ever going to be a year when the little guy gets a real chance at greatness, is this not the year?  Why not Hawaii?  Not a team in the country that wants to play June Jones' boys and his run and shoot.

QuoteIf there is ever, ever, ever, ever going to be a year when the little guy gets a real chance at greatness, is this not the year?  Why not Hawaii?  Not a team in the country that wants to play June Jones' boys and his run and shoot.

agreed.  

I also agree that it'll be a total hose job if OSU doesn't make it.  Like Tracy said if they had lost that game earlier in the season that would be #1 right now.  WVU lost to USF who's barely ranked at 25 and OSU lost to a white hot Illinois team at #15 and rising, but somehow OSU's loss is a "worse" loss.  That's bullshit.  But i'll cool down on that point with my fingers crossed that Mizzou goes down (nothing personal, guys, of course).

also as Tracy said it just points out had badly we need a playoff season.

oh shit, I agreed with Tracy twice.  what's that quote:  whenever you find yourself on Tracy's side it's time to stop and reflect.  :-/

QuoteDamn this is fun.

Now you know it feels like to have grown up on the mean streets of Omaha when your school was great, especially in the mid 90's when we ruled!

[size=8]and I am only cheering to keep the National title in the Big 12. After the Season I am back to my normal anti Tigers self  :D[/size]

Houston Nut of Arkansas, Ed Orgeron of Ole Miss... both fired today.

I wonder if Nut is headed to Ole Miss, now? I think it'd be a good catch on Mississippi's part, but it's much harder to win at Ole Miss than at Arkansas.

QuoteHouston Nut of Arkansas, Ed Orgeron of Ole Miss... both fired today.

Nutt resigned today, Orgeron was fired 2 days ago.

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QuoteHouston Nut of Arkansas, Ed Orgeron of Ole Miss... both fired today.

Nutt resigned today, Orgeron was fired 2 days ago.

I don't get all the hate that Nutt was getting. He pulled Arkansas out of the SEC west cellar and that's how the fans repay them? He really was a great coach.

Ole Miss, however, made the right choice.  ;)

QuoteTHE YEAR OF THE MOUNTAINEER!  

Gimme some more!!

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QuoteIf there is ever, ever, ever, ever going to be a year when the little guy gets a real chance at greatness, is this not the year?  Why not Hawaii?  Not a team in the country that wants to play June Jones' boys and his run and shoot.

agreed.  

I also agree that it'll be a total hose job if OSU doesn't make it.  Like Tracy said if they had lost that game earlier in the season that would be #1 right now.  WVU lost to USF who's barely ranked at 25 and OSU lost to a white hot Illinois team at #15 and rising, but somehow OSU's loss is a "worse" loss.  That's bullshit.  But i'll cool down on that point with my fingers crossed that Mizzou goes down (nothing personal, guys, of course).

also as Tracy said it just points out had badly we need a playoff season.

oh shit, I agreed with Tracy twice.  what's that quote:  whenever you find yourself on Tracy's side it's time to stop and reflect.  :-/

aMD I'm glad to see your rooting against Mizzou, but I would rather see my Sooners go down in the big 12 championship then ever see your buckeyes in the national championship.  i don't know what it is about OSU but words can't express my hate for them.  maybe because every time i bet on them they somehow fuck me over :-/

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QuoteIf there is ever, ever, ever, ever going to be a year when the little guy gets a real chance at greatness, is this not the year?  Why not Hawaii?  Not a team in the country that wants to play June Jones' boys and his run and shoot.

agreed.  

I also agree that it'll be a total hose job if OSU doesn't make it.  Like Tracy said if they had lost that game earlier in the season that would be #1 right now.  WVU lost to USF who's barely ranked at 25 and OSU lost to a white hot Illinois team at #15 and rising, but somehow OSU's loss is a "worse" loss.  That's bullshit.  But i'll cool down on that point with my fingers crossed that Mizzou goes down (nothing personal, guys, of course).

also as Tracy said it just points out had badly we need a playoff season.

oh shit, I agreed with Tracy twice.  what's that quote:  whenever you find yourself on Tracy's side it's time to stop and reflect.  :-/

aMD I'm glad to see your rooting against Mizzou, but I would rather see my Sooners go down in the big 12 championship then ever see your buckeyes in the national championship.  i don't know what it is about OSU but words can't express my hate for them.  maybe because every time i bet on them they somehow fuck me over :-/

I don't really hate OSU...they seem to run a clean program (in hoops and football), their fans don't seem like total douchebags (unlike Florida/Dook fans) and I really respect Jim Tressel as a coach.  I usually like to see them get a loss because they win all the time and it makes things interesting, but would I like to see them out of the National Championship game?  Not really.  

Considering how bad they got humiliated last year, I think they deserve another shot at it. :-/

If academics mattered it's be BC vs. UCinn.  See more here:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/071127

OSU finishes 22 out of the current BCS top 25.

QuoteIf academics mattered it's be BC vs. UCinn.  See more here:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/071127

OSU finishes 22 out of the current BCS top 25.

I don't know about that list! I'm a Cincy fan as well so I know that their basketball team has had the worse graduation rate in d1 every year for the past couple decades.  it hard to believe that the football team is much better.  I'm just saying...

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QuoteIf academics mattered it's be BC vs. UCinn.  See more here:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/071127

OSU finishes 22 out of the current BCS top 25.

I don't know about that list! I'm a Cincy fan as well so I know that their basketball team has had the worse graduation rate in d1 every year for the past couple decades.  it hard to believe that the football team is much better.  I'm just saying...

Crazy, huh?  I guess Huggy-bear didn't exactly crack the whip.  Read the article though.  The person who did this study is really the expert on the subject.  My new darling Hawaii finished last with a negative score - hard to do.

Hate to keep harping on this, but my opinion is shared:

QSeems like you are popular in Alabama. Maybe Nick will give a Rockne speech with your name in it! How much did each win cost Alabama? $1 Mil per win?
PQ, Miami 11/26/07
Ai think saban will eventually get it fixed....he'll get his players in there by lying to them and their parents and the sycophants in alabama will support his fraudulence....but you saw this year that he isn't any magician....he went back to college cuz he can get his own players and have all the power....he didn't have that in the pros with the salary cap and grown men
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That Nick Saban obsession you've got is borderline sickness, dude.

MIZZOU gonna' kick some Sooner ass.......

yep, Go Mizzou.

And go West Virginia!

I wonder what a Mizzou/West Virginia BCS Title game will do to the discussion about a playoff system...

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I wonder what a Mizzou/West Virginia BCS Tiltle game will do to the discussion about a playoff system...

I think this is the first year that the BCS system actually worked well.

;)

QuoteThat Nick Saban obsession you've got is borderline sickness, dude.

Borderline!?  How dare you question the level of my sickness!

So Brian, where you at with your Vols playing in the SEC Championship game tomorrow? Seems like you're perhaps a little disappointed that Fulmer over achieved his way into a possible BCS game??    :o

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I can't believe I'm rooting for Oklahoma.  The BCS will do crazy things to a man. I refuse to root for Shittsburgh!

VT Hokies are the ACC champs!!!!!!!

Let's get ready to rummbblllleeeee!

My friend is having his annual Christmas party and it just happen to fall on this night.  There will be about 20-30 adults, half of which went to Mizzou.  He bought a full bar of liquor, wine and beer.  If we win I may not be able to type for a couple weeks.

[size=72]GO TIGERS![/size]

Who's too good to be cursed by a crappy sports magazine?

Mizzou, That's Who!

Good luck to you BH.  I hope it turns out to be a good game ;D

QuoteIf we win I may not be able to type for a couple weeks.

Now you know how Eazy and I have both felt in the past. It's a bitch of a hangover, but it is soooo worth it.

QuoteOh YEAH!  That's Ohio State defense!  Fuck Michigan!

;D ;D ;D

The broadcasters were calling OSU's chances of making the national championship game slim but I think they're not half bad!  Oregan already lost.  Kansas, Missou, and OK play each other so either 2 or all three of them will lose, and LSU still has a SEC championship to play. only problem may be if Georgia beats LSU they could pass OSU in the polls.  I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that all the Big 12 teams fold down the stretch and OSU plays LSU for the national championship.  OOOOoooooooo YEAH!!!

Just came here to say I told you so once again.  My buckeyes are IN, baby!!!!!!  I hope we get Georgia so we can get revenge for last year's Nat. championship game.  OH YEAH!  

well, congratulations to the students and alumni of Ohio St, looks like they're in. Now who do they play?  ::)

Hey, why not put LSU in and have them play 1 hour away from their campus?

what a freaking mess....

(sorry about your school losing BH. I was pulling for you! And you won't have Ole Miss to kick around next year either).

God i hate ESPN...did anyone hear Herbstreit say Les Miles was coming to Michigan 3 hours before the LSU-Tenn game? rediculous. one hour later there were two headlines on ESPN "Miles to Michigan" and "Les Miles to Stay at LSU"....crazy....now michigan seems to be screwed...it's a sad day when a Michigan man chooses to stay in the SEC over Michigan....very sad indeed.

I just wanted to remind everyone that [size=18]THE Ohio State Buckeyes are #1[/size]


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so what they suck and they'll get their ass kicked in the national championship game again 8-)  it's a good reminder though because i'm sure everyone here has forgotten what they've done this year, oh yeah what have they done.  i'm sorry end of rant.

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QuoteIf we win I may not be able to type for a couple weeks.

Now you know how Eazy and I have both felt in the past. It's a bitch of a hangover, but it is soooo worth it.

I'm nursing said hangover right now :'( but it was soooo worth it ;).  I know I'm repeating what a lot of people have said but if this year doesn't show what would be a good year for a playoff, what does :-/  I'm happy we won, but I don't think we're good enough to win it all, but i think we might be able to win at least one playoff game.  I don't know I just think that more college football is fun, call me crazy.

Now who gets to play OSU?  I don't believe we belong there, even though we won our conference, have three teams in the top 10, we've got a good case but we don't deserve to be there.  Didn't Herbstreit mention Georgia, LSU, USC and someone else.

But I will talk just a little mess to my man BH, better luck next year ;)  Great game though, gotta to give it up to our defense.  Those two possesions in the first half for field goals really set the tone.  Mizzou just came out flat in the second half.  I'm sorry my head really hurts right now and I'm off to take a nap ;)

Virginia Tech might sneak in there. Personally i hope it's LSU so Tressel can wipe the floor with that greedy f*ck Les Miles.

I've heard from a reliable source that Temple will get a BCS Championship bid.

LSU v OSU in the national championship. I really can't argue with that.

But how does your team get in a bowl game over ours, Ewok? Isn't there some unwritten law that says that any team that loses to Louisiana-Monroe doesn't deserve a bowl bid? Though admittedly, a 5-game losing streak doesn't exactly help our cause.  ;)

My Dream BCS 8 Team Playoff:

ROUND 1
#1 Ohio St.-27  #8 Kansas-10
#7 USC-38  #2 LSU-20
#3 Va Tech-20  #6 Mizzou-19
#4 Oklahoma-35 vs. #5 Georgia-24

SEMI FINALS
Oklahoma-23  Ohio St.-13
USC-34   Va Tech-6

BCS TITLE GAME
USC-28  Oklahoma-16


a tad bit more exciting than the 1 game format...

Congratulations to OU and all of your fans! You played a helluva' game and deserve the Big 12 Championship.

TEO your tigers played well, congratulations on your fine season as well, don't think you guys should've been screwed out of the BCS :-/

MJ what are your thoughts on the Bo Pelini hire?  I know you were leaning more toward Turner Gill.

Well, I've been kind of speechless since Saturday.  I don't even know what to say.  I can't believe that our offense played that bad (or got outplayed that bad.)  All credit goes to OU.  They beat us at the line of scrimmage the entire game.

I must say, I think it's complete bullshit on countless levels that we got screwed out of a BCS bowl.  I could site a hundred reasons why it's bullshit but I won't bore you with it.  Just know it sucks.

Can any other team say they played 4 games against BCS Bowl teams?  I doubt it.  And we won two of them.  

West Virginia loses to Pitt and they still get a BCS game?!?!?  Sorry, I'll get over it.  

It was still a special year for us that I will never forget......

QuoteBut how does your team get in a bowl game over ours, Ewok?

Because Alabama is a big name with a big fanbase that travels well, and spends lots and lots of big money. These bowl games rarely have anything to do with the actual sport.

QuoteCan any other team say they played 4 games against BCS Bowl teams? I doubt it. And we won two of them.

Who cares how many BCS teams you've played if you can only beat half of them? I understand your point and your pain, but sorry, dude, hitting 50% against the meat of the ranked schedule isn't good enough for the voters. Missouri faced five Top 25 teams in it's schedule, going 3-2. Kudos to them for actually coming up against some stiff competition... but like Ohio State shows us year after year, easy wins against a few bottom-20's is better (to the pollsters) than a mixed bag of hard-foughts against a half-dozen Top 10 caliber teams.

LSU has faced seven Top 25 teams in it's schedule, going 6-1. They earned their #1 ranking... #2 is a toss-up, to me.


My picks in bold/italic...

Alabama v. Colorado
Mississippi State v. UCF
Texas A&M v. Penn. State
Kentucky v. Florida State
Auburn v. Clemson
Tennessee v. Wisconsin
Missouri v. Arkansas
Florida v. Michigan
USC v. Illinois
Georgia v. Hawaai
Oklahoma v. West Virginia
Virginia Tech v. Kansas
LSU v. THE!!111one Ohio State


Of all of the bowl games, the Georgia v. Hawaai seems the most intriguing to me. There've been a lot of folks critical of the Rainbow Warrior's weak schedule, and I think the Bulldogs will end up proving the critics right.

I cannot wait to see Florida murder Michigan. I mean, what the fuck is Michigan doing facing Florida, anyway?

Hopefully Oklahoma delivers a point, as well...

Last but not least... Just like last year, Bucks get 7 or 8 weeks of rest after a weak schedule, and then an SEC team comes out of the conference championship to expose them.

Hey, all I'm saying is if we were a big name school, our resume would have guaranteed a BCS game.   We are ranked 6th in the BCS!  Ten teams get BCS bowls.  We beat Illinois and Kansas!

I am definatley interested in how the conferences do as a whole.  I certainly won't make any predictions this year, but it will be interesting.  

On a seperate note, will LSU have it's QB back for the bowl game?  I've havent read anything about it.

QuoteOn a seperate note, will LSU have it's QB back for the bowl game?  I've havent read anything about it.

Flynn and Dorsey are both pretty badly battered, but hopefully for LSU's sake, they'll be back.

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QuoteBut how does your team get in a bowl game over ours, Ewok?

Because Alabama is a big name with a big fanbase that travels well, and spends lots and lots of big money. These bowl games rarely have anything to do with the actual sport.

QuoteCan any other team say they played 4 games against BCS Bowl teams? I doubt it. And we won two of them.

Who cares how many BCS teams you've played if you can only beat half of them? I understand your point and your pain, but sorry, dude, hitting 50% against the meat of the ranked schedule isn't good enough for the voters. Missouri faced five Top 25 teams in it's schedule, going 3-2. Kudos to them for actually coming up against some stiff competition... but like Ohio State shows us year after year, easy wins against a few bottom-20's is better (to the pollsters) than a mixed bag of hard-foughts against a half-dozen Top 10 caliber teams.

LSU has faced seven Top 25 teams in it's schedule, going 6-1. They earned their #1 ranking... #2 is a toss-up, to me.


My picks in bold/italic...

Alabama v. Colorado
Mississippi State v. UCF
Texas A&M v. Penn. State
Kentucky v. Florida State
Auburn v. Clemson
Tennessee v. Wisconsin
Missouri v. Arkansas
Florida v. Michigan
USC v. Illinois
Georgia v. Hawaai
Oklahoma v. West Virginia
Virginia Tech v. Kansas
LSU v. THE!!111one Ohio State


Of all of the bowl games, the Georgia v. Hawaai seems the most intriguing to me. There've been a lot of folks critical of the Rainbow Warrior's weak schedule, and I think the Bulldogs will end up proving the critics right.

I cannot wait to see Florida murder Michigan. I mean, what the fuck is Michigan doing facing Florida, anyway?

Hopefully Oklahoma delivers a point, as well...

Last but not least... Just like last year, Bucks get 7 or 8 weeks of rest after a weak schedule, and then an SEC team comes out of the conference championship to expose them.

Because Florida lost 3 games and didn't even finish second in their conference...because Michigan travels better than most teams in the country...don't count us out so quickly...with Henne and Hart back at 100% we could give the Gators a run for their money...do i think it's gonna happen...no...but i think we have a helluva chance at winning this game and i'd f*cking love to see it. My hate for the SEC has no boundaries...nothing against you though just the colleges...you know how it is.

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My picks in bold/italic...

Alabama v. Colorado
Mississippi State v. UCF
Texas A&M v. Penn. State
Kentucky v. Florida State
Auburn v. Clemson
Tennessee v. Wisconsin
Missouri v. Arkansas
Florida v. Michigan
USC v. Illinois
Georgia v. Hawaai
Oklahoma v. West Virginia
Virginia Tech v. Kansas
LSU v. THE!!111one Ohio State


Of all of the bowl games, the Georgia v. Hawaai seems the most intriguing to me. There've been a lot of folks critical of the Rainbow Warrior's weak schedule, and I think the Bulldogs will end up proving the critics right.

I cannot wait to see Florida murder Michigan. I mean, what the fuck is Michigan doing facing Florida, anyway?

Hopefully Oklahoma delivers a point, as well...

Last but not least... Just like last year, Bucks get 7 or 8 weeks of rest after a weak schedule, and then an SEC team comes out of the conference championship to expose them.

Wow. You picked all SEC teams.  what a coincidence.  oh wait, no it's not.  i forgot that it's impossible for you to be objective at all even for a moment.  (it's hard to take you seriously, dude).

I think it's bullshit that Kansas got a BCS bid and Missou didn't.  The only ranked opponent Kansas played all year was MISSOU and they kicked their asses.  And how does Georgia not get in?  And why was Hawaii not even in the discussion?  I think this year fans are starting to get actively pissed that there is no playoff system.  Hopefully they do something about it soon. and this a coming from a guy who's team got into the national championship game through the bullshit BCS system.

Go Buckeyes!  Time to get some revenge on the SEC!  Oh yeah!

EDIT: I'm sorry, you did pick MISSOU over Arkansas.  Bold choice.  I wouldn't let any other ignorant SEC fans see that pick!

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My hate for the SEC has no boundaries...nothing against you though just the colleges...you know how it is.

Actually no, I don't know how it is. Can you explain how you hate an entire conference?

(and I take it you're a Michigan student/grad?)

what is with all the SEC hate, people? i know j.p.w. is good looking, but y'all don't have to hate so hard.  ;)

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i chose a pic with saban just for you, soup.  :-*

LSU's Dorsey beats out Ohio State's Laurinaitis for trophy

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3140499

QuoteLSU's Dorsey beats out Ohio State's Laurinaitis for trophy

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3140499

Laurinaitis had 105 tackles and 5 sacks, Dorsey had 64 tackles and 6 sacks, I don't get it.  I guess they didn't want to give it to him two years in a row.

Like the year AJ Hawk got overlooked for Poslowski and he himself said AJ deserve the award.  They don't like to give individual trophies to buckeyes for some reason, at least not two years in a row (archie griffin notwithstanding, of course).  

This is going to be for some real bragging rights, Tracy.  I hope you're guys are up for it.  Now, remind me, did you go to LSU or are you just a bandwagon fan?

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This is going to be for some real bragging rights, Tracy.  I hope you're guys are up for it.  Now, remind me, did you go to LSU or are you just a bandwagon fan?

Well, using your logic, I'm an LSU fan b/c I was born in Louisiana; my Cajun roots are sound (but of course I looked over Tulane, and LA-Monroe, etc... all those second rate schools and went straight to LSU!).

Using my logic, I'm an SEC man seeing how I graduated from Ole Miss and U Tennessee masters program (me and the rest of my family all went to SEC schools), my sister and brother-in-law went to LSU, I have cousins in Baton Rogue that are season ticket holders, I had a Brad Davis actual game jersey when I was 9 (see pic below),(even though LSU cheated to beat Ole Miss at Death Valley in 1972 when #6 LSU survived an upset bid from unranked Ole Miss in Tiger Stadium by winning the game on a TD pass from QB Bert Jones to RB Brad Davis. Ole Miss fans say the 1972 contest featured a few seconds of free football. The Tigers trailed the Rebels 16-10 with four seconds to play. After a lengthy incompletion by Jones, the game clock still showed one second remaining. The Tigers used the precious second to win the game on the "last play," 17-16. The home-clock advantage inspired a sign at the Louisiana state line reading, "You are now entering Louisiana. Set your clocks back four seconds." (we listend to it on the radio)).

Plus, it's just 1 game that I am pulling for LSU; I pull for all SEC teams in bowl games. That's what you do when you went to an SEC school, you pull for the SEC out of conference. Isn't that what they do in the Big 10? Was that your experience at Ohio St? Oh, never mind...

As far as bragging rights go, I'll leave that to the Ohio State students and alumni (and hell, even the employees!) Trust me, when it's YOUR SCHOOL it's different. And unfortunantely, Ohio State isn't your school; it's someone else's school. I can guarantee you that LSU students and alumni (and employees) have far more invested in this game than me, that's the reality. Win or lose, they'll feel it more than me.
~sorry  :-/

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i chose a pic with saban just for you, soup.  :-*

Where's Nick's stupid hat?  Are they laughing about that loss to UL-Monroe?  This year sucks, there are no correct answers, and there will be no playoffs any time soon.  CFB will continue to be the only major American sport decided by a vote versus actual play - that sucks.  Even us Floridians know that and we love to manipulate things supposedly decided by a vote.

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This year sucks, there are no correct answers, and there will be no playoffs any time soon.  CFB will continue to be the only major American sport decided by a vote versus actual play - that sucks.

Word on the street is even if Ohio State upsets LSU (yes, #1 is a 5 point dog to #2, which pretty much sums up the whole season) the majority of college football fans will still be unsatisfied. It will be a little bit better if LSU wins, considering they actually played other teams, but, the parity in college football is apparent and more teams are able to pull off the upset on any given Saturday (just ask Michigan, Auburn, USC, Alabama, and WV). A playoff would be nice...

When Villanova won the NCAA basketball tourney in 1985 (as an 8th seed), they weren't "the best team in the field" at the start, however, they were given the chance to settle it on the court, where they proceeded to beat #1 seed Michigan, #5 seed Maryland, #2 seed N.C., #2 seed Memphis St, and #1 seed Georgetown, so they get crowned champs.

I don't think a 1 game upset of an overrated LSU team proves much.

Leave it to a Buckeyes fan, after having spent the entire season plastering 62 point font claiming to be #1!11on11onee all year long, to say someone from the SEC isn't being objective with his bowl picks... and then say Glen Dorsey was charitably given his Bronko Nagurski Trophy.

;D

QuoteAnd unfortunately, Ohio State isn't your school; it's someone else's school.

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My hate for the SEC has no boundaries...nothing against you though just the colleges...you know how it is.

Actually no, I don't know how it is. Can you explain how you hate an entire conference?

(and I take it you're a Michigan student/grad?)

No but i was born in Michigan and raised a Michigan fan...the way i see it you don't choose your team your team chooses you. As for why i don't like the SEC, there are a number of reasons.

From what I've seen the fans of SEC schools can be some of the most arrogant, ignorant, disrespectful fans i've met. Living in Kentucky i've come to loathe the fans of UK during the basketball season. They're completely blinded by their love for UK and are impossible to have a serious conversation without it turning to "man my team will kill your team you all suck hehehe"...

Also, i'm tired of hearing about how the SEC is miles ahead of any conference in the country. Other than Alabama and Tennesee, the SEC hasn't been the juggernauts in the past that everyone wants to make them out to be. Florida has only just started to rise since the 90's. Their record against big 10 schools since 2002 is only 6-8. The Big Ten consistently beats SEC teams in bowl games, just like last year...and all anyone wants to bring up is 41-14...gimme a break. Also the SEC posted a losing record vs. the Big East this season as well.

The Big Ten also has just as many bowl eligible teams as the SEC does. 10 each. 2 teams from each conference in a BCS game as well...

In summation, i think it's crap that the SEC gets all this hype, because it's just that: hype, when it comes down to it the only reason everyone says that the SEC is such a tough conference where a team can lose any weekend is because ESPN says that every year, and every year some "great team" loses to some crap team and the ESPN says 'oh man the SEC is so damn great'....just bugs the hell out of me.

Also, how is it that LSU loses to TWO unranked teams and still gets a shot at the NC...it's crap.

Oh and in addition i'd like to say that not all SEC fans are pr*cks just most of the ones I've spoken to. When it comes down to it there will be 3 SEC vs. Big Ten games again this bowl season and i'm hoping for a sweep...don't know if it will happen seeing as it's basically 3 home games for the SEC but i won't use that excuse....GO BLUE GO BUCKS GO BADGERS!

All of this blah, blah, blah, about SEC does not change a thing about how their games are the most exciting to watch usually.

yeah, I'm just about done with this conversation but I just wanted to point out that the university I went to for undergrad and graduate studies doesn't have a football team, so using Tracy's logic, I'm not allowed to root for anybody.  

And, no, I don't root for all the Big Ten teams blindly. As the saying goes, "My two favorite teams are Ohio State and whoever plays Michigan".  But I guess that's just how it is when your team is involved in a REAL rivalry.

oh, and ewok, stating that THE Ohio State Buckeyes are #1 IS objective because it is a FACT supported by data as supposed to an OPINION which just comes out of your ass.  

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/poll?poll=BCS
http://www.manatee.k12.fl.us/sites/elementary/palmasola/rcfo1.htm

Get it!

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(and I take it you're a Michigan student/grad?)

No but i was born in Michigan and raised a Michigan fan...the way i see it you don't choose your team your team chooses you. As for why i don't like the SEC, there are a number of reasons.

What is it with the bandwagon Big 10 fans here? Bam, you will never feel the pain of a Michigan loss like a true Wolverine alum or student. Period. And your joy for a Michigan win will never compare to alums or students either. What I see you doing here (along with that Ohio State bandwagon fan) is trying to get in on emotion, trash talking, bragging, etc...that you actually don't have a stake in, other than an outside rooting interest.

You're a casual Michigan fan at best, and to say anything about bleeding the Maize n' Blue is an insult to those who spent years (or are spending years) on the campus.

Your hate of the SEC is jealousy (that's an easy one).    ;)

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Quoteyeah, I'm just about done with this conversation but I just wanted to point out that the university I went to for undergrad and graduate studies doesn't have a football team, so using Tracy's logic, I'm not allowed to root for anybody.  

And, no, I don't root for all the Big Ten teams blindly. As the saying goes, "My two favorite teams are Ohio State and whoever plays Michigan".  But I guess that's just how it is when your team is involved in a REAL rivalry.

This may be my final post on this subject b/c I found an Ohio State fan who explains it better than me. Check out the 40 second mark of this YouTube clip when a true Ohio State fan asks "another Ohio State fan" if he went to Ohio State. Nothing speaks my point greater than this clip, and it comes straight from The Buckeye Nation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrekA-H4-XQ&feature=related

amd, explain your bandwagon ass to that guy. Too easy. Your "own" Buckeye Nation slams you, silly! I keep playing it over and over and it just gets funnier and funnier.

Of course you're almost done with this conversation; if I were you, I'd have been done with it a while back. If you're going to talk trash, you need to come from a place of authenticity, not some "love" of a university you didn't attend. My smack is strong!

So your college didn't have football? Life isn't fair. Some people are lactose intolerant, they probably know how you feel. Saying, "My two favorite teams are Ohio State and whoever plays Michigan" is just something you heard that you think sounds cool that a bunch of Ohio State fans (who went to school at Ohio State) made up. You might as well be saying, "Chocolate genie cactus rump greenhouse tool farm burp style" as far as I am concerned.

Maybe next year you and Bam can have a faux bet about your faux rivalry and you can show some faux emotions about your faux college years at Ohio St and Michigan.  ;D  I am sure it will be very similiar to what will really be going on in Ann Arbor next year...

And my blind love of the SEC is a southern thing, you wouldn't understand. It's a football game, Eunice. A GAME.

Some idiots forget that from time to time, to the point where they'll assault someone on national TV (nothing says misdirected anger more than a 65 year old man punching a college student).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEVJyf0ft3I

this one's for you Brad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c5U2phPI-c

I must say, I have to disagree a little bit about not being able to be "invested" in a school that you didn't attend.  My dad is a St. Louis University graduate.  He has had season tickets to Billiken basketball games my entire life.  When I was a kid it was our thing.  We went to all of the games together.   It's what started my love of sports even.   Well, I ended up going to MU and have since grown a stronger connection to MU sports, but I still feel extremely strongly about SLU Basketball and always will.   Just my two cents.

QuoteI must say, I have to disagree a little bit about not being able to be "invested" in a school that you didn't attend.  My dad is a St. Louis University graduate.  He has had season tickets to Billiken basketball games my entire life.  When I was a kid it was our thing.  We went to all of the games together.   It's what started my love of sports even.   Well, I ended up going to MU and have since grown a stronger connection to MU sports, but I still feel extremely strongly about SLU Basketball and always will.   Just my two cents.

sure, I can totally get behind that. I am guessing the bandwagon fans I am addressing don't have anything close to a connection like that to their favorite (and usually Top 10) teams. I can see why you're a passionate Bilikens fan.

But you have to admit, if the Bilikens make it to the Final 4 this year, Biliken fans will come out of the woodwork, making all sorts of claims of allegience (like, I was born in Missouri).

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QuoteI must say, I have to disagree a little bit about not being able to be "invested" in a school that you didn't attend.  My dad is a St. Louis University graduate.  He has had season tickets to Billiken basketball games my entire life.  When I was a kid it was our thing.  We went to all of the games together.   It's what started my love of sports even.   Well, I ended up going to MU and have since grown a stronger connection to MU sports, but I still feel extremely strongly about SLU Basketball and always will.   Just my two cents.

sure, I can totally get behind that. I am guessing the bandwagon fans I am addressing don't have anything close to a connection like that to their favorite (and usually Top 10) teams. I can see why you're a passionate Bilikens fan.

But you have to admit, if the Bilikens make it to the Final 4 this year, Biliken fans will come out of the woodwork, making all sorts of claims of allegience (like, I was born in Missouri).

I don't know how to 'prove' to you i'm a Michigan fan and frankly i don't give a sh*t. I'm from Michigan, my grandfather went to Michigan, my parents lived in Michigan their whole lives and raised me a Michigan fan. What else can i say...i'm not too bothered by the fact that someone on message board doesn't think i'm a good fan...ok...well my dad can beat up your dad  ;)

And to call me a bandwagon fan for MICHIGAN? are you f*cking serious? Are you talking about the Michigan that went 8-4 this season, lost to App St. and had a coach who's trying to live in the 70's still? Gimme a break. Michigan is not a glamorous school to support...if i wanted glamor i'd support USC or Florida...but i don't like supporting teams who have salaries for their players....

Quotewell my dad can beat up your dad  ;)

actually, could you help me arrange that?



(yo, don't lose sight of the FACT that we're all talking smack here, OK? If I see you at a Jacket show, the first round is on me).

Now, where was I? Oh yeah,

Fuck a bunch of Big 10 football!

I say we get a small wager, SEC vs Big 10. Whoever wins the bowls, the other's have to sport the winners conference mascot (of choice) on their avatar for the entire month of January. Who's in?

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Quotewell my dad can beat up your dad  ;)

actually, could you help me arrange that?



(yo, don't lose sight of the FACT that we're all talking smack here, OK? If I see you at a Jacket show, the first round is on me).

Now, where was I? Oh yeah,

Fuck a bunch of Big 10 football!

I say we get a small wager, SEC vs Big 10. Whoever wins the bowls, the other's have to sport the winners conference mascot (of choice) on their avatar for the entire month of January. Who's in?

I haven't lost sight of anything...i'll take your wager. If the big 10 has a losing record against the 3 SEC teams they play i'll take on the Gators avatar...you have to take Meeeechigans...and so it begins....

Now a new point...if college football introduced a playoff system would we lose all of this? i dunno but the fact that there never is a real National Champion makes the banter this much more fun.

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Fuck a bunch of Big 10 football!

yes

tracy if i ever see you at jacket show i would love to have a round with you and pick your brain.

Tracy, that went a step beyond "smack" and straight into a woodshed beating.


Speakings of lineage and all...

Don't tell anyone, but my uncle played football at Auburn. He was my least favorite uncle, but probably for more reasons than that.

QuoteTracy, that went a step beyond "smack" and straight into a woodshed beating.


Speakings of lineage and all...

Don't tell anyone, but my uncle played football at Auburn. He was my least favorite uncle, but probably for more reasons than that.

How can I possibly argue with you guys.....you don't use facts, you use 'my team is better than your team HAHAHA OWNED'.....brilliant.

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QuoteTracy, that went a step beyond "smack" and straight into a woodshed beating.


Speakings of lineage and all...

Don't tell anyone, but my uncle played football at Auburn. He was my least favorite uncle, but probably for more reasons than that.

How can I possibly argue with you guys.....you don't use facts, you use 'my team is better than your team HAHAHA OWNED'.....brilliant.

That was a fact, dude. My uncle was an Auburn football player.

It had nothing to do with what you guys were talking about, so why quote that and lump me in with Tracy?

i was talking about the first part of you're post...anyways....all in jest man all in jest right? can we still be friends?

my team is better than your team HAHAHA OWNED   :-*

Who is your team anyways?

Proud graduate of The University of Mississippi (Ole Miss).

we don't get to cheer as much these days since Eli left (and 1961), but hopefully with Houston Nutt coming in, he'll be able to restore the magic (you know, the magic of 7-4?)

Hotty Toddy!

Here's Eli with a fine Ole Miss co-ed
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Here is a up to date Power Rating that uses just the facts.  (NOT HUMAN OPINION)

http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html

You can argue with me that MU is not #2, but you can't tell me they don't deserve a BCS game.

Sorry, I still can't get over it.

QuoteYou can argue with me that MU is not #2, but you can't tell me they don't deserve a BCS game.

Sorry, I still can't get over it.

It's nice that you found a poll that says your boys are #2... but in seven polls, I haven't found one that will put them in the Top 5.

BCS says they're 6.
AP says they're 7.
USA Today says they're 7.
ESPNU Allstate says they're 8.
Harris Poll says they're 7.
Master Coaches says they're 7.
The ESPN Power 16 said they're 7.

Quote...but hopefully with Houston Nutt coming in, he'll be able to restore the magic...

Ole Miss pulled off one of the better hires this year. Nut will do good things for the Rebels, as long as he keeps out of trouble.

With the SEC going through an arms race, it's great to see Ole Miss make a move like this... they'll be relevant again.

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BCS says they're 6.
AP says they're 7.
USA Today says they're 7.
ESPNU Allstate says they're 8.
Harris Poll says they're 7.
Master Coaches says they're 7.
The ESPN Power 16 said they're 7.

Exactly, all polls that take into account the jersey on the players back instead of cold hard facts.

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BCS says they're 6.
AP says they're 7.
USA Today says they're 7.
ESPNU Allstate says they're 8.
Harris Poll says they're 7.
Master Coaches says they're 7.
The ESPN Power 16 said they're 7.

Exactly, all polls that take into account the jersey on the players back instead of cold hard facts.

None of those polls can explain to me how Kansas is ranked higher than Mizzou.  Someone want to take a shot at explaining that?

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BCS says they're 6.
AP says they're 7.
USA Today says they're 7.
ESPNU Allstate says they're 8.
Harris Poll says they're 7.
Master Coaches says they're 7.
The ESPN Power 16 said they're 7.

Exactly, all polls that take into account the jersey on the players back instead of cold hard facts.

As much as I despise the Tigers, I have to agree with you. They are getting royally f'n hosed.

I thought the Zoo at least deserved a BCS entry. Certainly over Kansas(?).

Does anyone have a link to specific coaches' Top 10 picks? I'd like to see who Richt, Spurrier, and Les Miles voted on. I know Coach Pat Dye totally slammed Ohio State on the radio, the other day... I think he put LSU at #1 and Oklahoma at #2 or #3.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/graphics/coaches_fb_poll_2007/flash.htm

QuoteHere is a up to date Power Rating that uses just the facts.  (NOT HUMAN OPINION)

http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html

You can argue with me that MU is not #2, but you can't tell me they don't deserve a BCS game.

Sorry, I still can't get over it.

that poll is kind of horse shit Hermo, we handed you those two losses and yet we're seven spots behind you ;)

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QuoteYou can argue with me that MU is not #2, but you can't tell me they don't deserve a BCS game.

Sorry, I still can't get over it.

It's nice that you found a poll that says your boys are #2... but in seven polls, I haven't found one that will put them in the Top 5.

BCS says they're 6.
AP says they're 7.
USA Today says they're 7.
ESPNU Allstate says they're 8.
Harris Poll says they're 7.
Master Coaches says they're 7.
The ESPN Power 16 said they're 7.

and where is the predicted 8-4 Alabama team at Ewok.  Sorry just got stick up for my conference even though we aren't the SEC ;)

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QuoteHere is a up to date Power Rating that uses just the facts.  (NOT HUMAN OPINION)

http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_Men.html

You can argue with me that MU is not #2, but you can't tell me they don't deserve a BCS game.

Sorry, I still can't get over it.

that poll is kind of horse shit Hermo, we handed you those two losses and yet we're seven spots behind you ;)

That's the thing though, you can't say, we beat this team or that team beat this team because you will end up going in circles.   All you can do is look at the entire body of work.  

On our worst day, we lost to Oklahoma, on your worst day, you lost to Colorado.   OU obviously didn't have their "A" game that day.  And maybe, just maybe, MU didn't have their "A" game for the Big 12 championship.  No one can say for sure.  All you can do, in this system, is look at the entire body of work and compare the results.

Quote...and where is the predicted 8-4 Alabama team at Ewok...

Exactly where they belong. Can't say the same about some other schools.

Actually enjoyed watching some of the division II games yesterday since nothing else much was on.

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Tim Tebow. This guy is amazing, totally deserving of the Heisman. It's a shame McFadden had to come in second two years in a row (only man to ever do that), but Tebow is good enough to win two more of these.

Check it out:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls07/bracket?lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1

another thing wrong with college football besides the lack of a playoff? 11 days after the final game of the season, and still no champion.

In fact, we have to wait 4 more weeks.

I'm not even sure I'll care anymore by then   :-/

Not that anyone cares too much, but my alma mater (Appalachian State) will be playing for it's 3RD CONSECUTIVE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP this Friday in the FCS series.  

How 'bout tuning in to show my Mountaineers some love on Friday night?

QuoteNot that anyone cares too much, but my alma mater (Appalachian State) will be playing for it's 3RD CONSECUTIVE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP this Friday in the FCS series.  

How 'bout tuning in to show my Mountaineers some love on Friday night?

[smiley=thumbsup.gif] Go Mountaineers!

QuoteNot that anyone cares too much, but my alma mater (Appalachian State) will be playing for it's 3RD CONSECUTIVE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP this Friday in the FCS series.  

How 'bout tuning in to show my Mountaineers some love on Friday night?

Done.

BACK TO BACK TO BACK CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!

I'm heading up to Boone tonight to party with the old crew...it should be a great time.

I know it's 'only' FCS, but...3 straight national titles?  What teams ever do that?  I think we're like the 5th team ever to do that from what I heard (in any sport).  I think Army did it in the 40's, Minnesota sometime around there, the Bulls with MJ, and UCLA in the Wooden era.

Seriously.  It's a great time to be a Mountaineer 8-)

QuoteBACK TO BACK TO BACK CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!

I'm heading up to Boone tonight to party with the old crew...it should be a great time.

I know it's 'only' FCS, but...3 straight national titles?  What teams ever do that?  I think we're like the 5th team ever to do that from what I heard (in any sport).  I think Army did it in the 40's, Minnesota sometime around there, the Bulls with MJ, and UCLA in the Wooden era.

Seriously.  It's a great time to be a Mountaineer 8-)

Err...Boston Celtics?  :-/

But great job App State!  :D

Quote'tis one of my favorite times of the year, with the promise of cooler weather and all...

I have a couple of predictions for the season:

The suprise team will be Kansas and I can't say for sure, but they will probably be undefeated going into November. (yes, Kansas!) Mizzou will also be strong and will probably have 1 loss going into November. (my crystal ball is a little fuzzy, it only goes to the first week of November). Cal will not be as strong as people think, and will lose 3 or 4. Ohio St will have their usual bogus #1 ranking until they meet Illini. Oregon will have 1 loss (probably to Cal) and LSU will have 1 loss, that coming at the hands of Kentucky! (yes, Kentucky, probably in OT). Couple of other suprise teams early, but will fade: University South Florida, Boston College, South Carolina, Kentucky, Arizona St.

That's what I am seeing right now...

And I needed to call this out before anyone calls him a prophet.  ;)

QuoteBACK TO BACK TO BACK CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!

I'm heading up to Boone tonight to party with the old crew...it should be a great time.

I know it's 'only' FCS, but...3 straight national titles?  What teams ever do that?  I think we're like the 5th team ever to do that from what I heard (in any sport).  I think Army did it in the 40's, Minnesota sometime around there, the Bulls with MJ, and UCLA in the Wooden era.

Seriously.  It's a great time to be a Mountaineer 8-)

Congatulations on a very memorable year!

I just wanted to remind everyone that [size=18]THE Ohio State Buckeyes are #1[/size]


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Wow, the most overated team in the Big 12 just handed it to the second best Pac 10 team to kick off the big conference bowls.  (My apologies to the Big 10 for not counting the "DETROIT" bowl.  ;) )

52-34 sounds pretty convincing to me.

Quote52-34 sounds pretty convincing to me.

That's what I'm sayin'!

And really, the score should have been 52-27... if not 59-27... but good ol' Mack Brown's son-in-law decided to field a ball from the sideline and give ASU a free touchdown.

;D

QuoteAnd really, the score should have been 52-27... if not 59-27... but good ol' Mack Brown's son-in-law decided to field a ball from the sideline and give ASU a free touchdown.

;D

That was hilarious.  I thought that kind of thing only happened in Alabama. ;)

Who does everyone like in the three afternoon games?  We'll get our first taste of the ACC.  And the Mountain West looking to go to 4-0.   If the MWC goes 5-0 with two wins against the Pac 10, I think that says a lot about something, I'm not sure what, but something.

Closer than I thought it would be for the BC/MSU game.

QuoteMy picks in bold/italic...

Alabama v. Colorado
Mississippi State v. UCF
Texas A&M v. Penn. State
Kentucky v. Florida State
Auburn v. Clemson
Tennessee v. Wisconsin
Missouri v. Arkansas
Florida v. Michigan
USC v. Illinois
Georgia v. Hawaai
Oklahoma v. West Virginia
Virginia Tech v. Kansas
LSU v. THE!!111one Ohio State

Man, I musta been smoking crack to pick Texas A&M over Penn State.

no miami in bowl games makes me angry then sad

Big Ten's not doing so bad eh? 2-1 and MSU played their asses off against BC...who would've expected them to make it close? come on IU!

Quoteno miami in bowl games makes me angry then sad

it should make you happy they aren't in a bowl this year because quite frankly they suck ;D

yea they do at least kyle wright is gonna be gone it seems like hes been there for 10 years

Watching Mizzou kick the crap out of Arkansas....If they can keep this squad and keep the momentum built up from this season, f'n A the North is gonna be tough.

the mizzou kansas game was one of the best games ive seen in a while too bad ou had our number

I didn't realize that Michigan's Mike Hart was such a punk. You'd think after fumbling twice inside the 2 yard line he'd eventually stop smiling and quit talking.

Looks like Michigan is taking Florida out. There's only 1:48 left and they are up by 6 and just got the ball back.

Meyer made a stupid call on fourth down, in Michigan's red zone... had he opted to punt, the ball probably would have landed at the 10 or so... plenty of time to make a defensive stop, plus good position on the punt return. Stupid, stupid call, and it cost Florida the game.

QuoteMeyer made a stupid call on fourth down, in Michigan's red zone... had he opted to punt, the ball probably would have landed at the 10 or so... plenty of time to make a defensive stop, plus good position on the punt return. Stupid, stupid call, and it cost Florida the game.

That's what I don't like about these meaningless bowl games. Like Tubberville last night going for it on 4th and 1 in OT, down by 3. If that game means something, he kicks a FG. If Florida is playing Georgia in that situation today, with 3 TO's, Meyer punts.

In all actuality, Michigan should have scored 50+ today but for all the turnovers. Plus, they have a great record vs SEC teams, something like 70% wins.

OK, breaking my SEC allegiance and pulling for the little guy Hawaii tonight in the Sugar Bowl...

QuoteWatching Mizzou kick the crap out of Arkansas....If they can keep this squad and keep the momentum built up from this season, f'n A the North is gonna be tough.

[size=72]WOOT![/size]

If only it wasn't for those damn Sooners!!!!!!!!!!

The four bloody marrys are startin' to wear off.  Uhgg.

QuoteI didn't realize that Michigan's Mike Hart was such a punk. You'd think after fumbling twice inside the 2 yard line he'd eventually stop smiling and quit talking.

God i'm glad someone else saw that. As good as he has been for the past four years, i'm not shedding any tears now that he is gone. I couldn't believe he was grinning when he made two TERRIBLE fumbles on the 1 yard line. That second one was a travesty.

Now Tracy, what do you have to say about the SEC dominance over the big ten? I'm happy that it was Michigan, a team who's gotten slimed by the media and other fans all season, that shut up Tebow and the Gators. Tebow was pretty quiet today. Glad that Lloyd is gone on a good note. Things are looking bright for the Blue.

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QuoteI didn't realize that Michigan's Mike Hart was such a punk. You'd think after fumbling twice inside the 2 yard line he'd eventually stop smiling and quit talking.

God i'm glad someone else saw that. As good as he has been for the past four years, i'm not shedding any tears now that he is gone. I couldn't believe he was grinning when he made two TERRIBLE fumbles on the 1 yard line. That second one was a travesty.

Now Tracy, what do you have to say about the SEC dominance over the big ten? I'm happy that it was Michigan, a team who's gotten slimed by the media and other fans all season, that shut up Tebow and the Gators. Tebow was pretty quiet today. Glad that Lloyd is gone on a good note. Things are looking bright for the Blue.

The SEC is the best overall conference in the nation, top to bottom. That's a no brainer, IMO. And it's a down year for us.

I still think USC and Oklahoma should be playing in the BCS title game.

I'd agree...but their not MILES ahead of everyone else. and the Big Ten isn't MILES behind everyone else. Wisky held it close with the number 2 team in the SEC and Mich St. held it close with the number 2 team in the ACC. and Michigan BEATS one of the most talked up teams in the country. I'm not saying that the SEC isn't a better overall conference than the Big 10 but it's not as invincible as everyone makes it out to be.

QuoteI'd agree...but their not MILES ahead of everyone else. and the Big Ten isn't MILES behind everyone else. Wisky held it close with the number 2 team in the SEC and Mich St. held it close with the number 2 team in the ACC. and Michigan BEATS one of the most talked up teams in the country. I'm not saying that the SEC isn't a better overall conference than the Big 10 but it's not as invincible as everyone makes it out to be.

well didn't Applachian State prove that anyone can beat anyone on any given Saturday? Parity is coming to NCAA football b/c of a variety of reasons; more reason to have a playoff.

Yes anyone can beat anyone on any given saturday but still...all this talk about the SEC being so far ahead of everybody and none of their wins have been that convincing. Michigan should've blown Florida out of the water and if wasn't for two uncharacteristic fumbles by hart they would have.

QuoteYes anyone can beat anyone on any given saturday but still...all this talk about the SEC being so far ahead of everybody and none of their wins have been that convincing. Michigan should've blown Florida out of the water and if wasn't for two uncharacteristic fumbles by hart they would have.

I think a lot of that talk about the SEC being far superior is trash talk (I think USC has the best team in the nation and LSU is overrated). Michigan is not a team that's capable of "blowing Florida out of the water" on a consistent basis. They played better than Florida today, but losing to App. St and actually being "blown out of the water" by Oregon (both home games) are better indicators of this Michigan team than the game today against Florida. This was probably the biggest game of the year for Michigan, whereas Florida's big games were against LSU and Georgia ie, Michigan wanted this game more than Florida.

The game I was most looking forward to was even better than expected...

Georgia 41
Hawaai 10

As predicted, the Bulldogs exposed this WAC clown for the season opener that it is. It should say something that the crowd was chanting "OVER-RATED" by the first half of the game. It should say something, too, that the Heisman third-runner-up gets his cock sucked all night long by the commentators of the game, despite getting sacked eight(?) times, picked off three or four times, multiple fumbles, etc., and the only touchdown of the game for "the highest scoring team in College Football History" was a little bit of fourth quarter charity for the backup QB.

Georgia could have put up 60+ points, and could have denied any points beyond the initial field goal if they hadn't fielded backups and walk-ons, instead.

Eventually, the game just got boring... the commentators were crammed so far up Hawaai's ass that they couldn't even once acknowledge just how superior this SEC team is.

HOW BOUT THEM DAWGS?!!!!

It's kinda funny because I wasn't sure what Dawgs were going to show up...If I remember correctly a few years ago a few "Dawgs" had their Sugar Bowl rings on none other than E-bay :-/ If that tells you how much THAT bowl means to them..Hell , I think had they played a more "quality" opponent it might have been a different outcome.. I think Mizz would have given GA fits as well as OK or Kansas....Just face it Hawaii really isn't that good.....I'll be looking for my ring on E-bay....Hell Tom why don't you just walk on down to the athletic dorm and pick us up a couple...I think it's still over by Stegman.

Dunno what the eBay business is all about, but I think you're nuts if you honestly think Kansas could compete with the Georgia Bulldogs. Oklahoma, maybe. Missouri, probably. But I've said it for a while, now, I think Georgia is #1 in the Nation at the moment.

It should have been USC v. Georgia, and Georgia probably would have ended up running the score up on the Trojans.

Really Brad?  I don't think Georgia would've run up the score.  I think a Trojan/Dawg matchup would've been the epic bowl game of the season...with high scoring on BOTH ends.  USC was looking very, very nasty yesterday.  It's not to say that Georgia wouldn't win, but I think both teams are on the same tier.

It certainly would be a better matchup than the BCS Championship game this year.  You know, when Ohio State gets reamed by an SEC team again.

It would be a huge game, for sure... I just don't know that any team could score much on Georgia, right now. Not being an SEC elitist, here...

QuoteDunno what the eBay business is all about, but I think you're nuts if you honestly think Kansas could compete with the Georgia Bulldogs. Oklahoma, maybe. Missouri, probably. But I've said it for a while, now, I think Georgia is #1 in the Nation at the moment.

It should have been USC v. Georgia, and Georgia probably would have ended up running the score up on the Trojans.

Look at who the Dawgs lost to this year....oh and didn't YOU say Bama was going to beat them and Florida was going to kill them....Dude, will you please make up your mind or has that Saban kool-aid shot it out :-/ oh and now GA is the best in the nation ...jeesh :-/

QuoteLook at who the Dawgs lost to this year....

They lost to Steve Spurrier when South Carolina was relevant, Week 2, and to the SEC East Division Champs... what's your point? Name me one team that hasn't lost a couple of games this year.

Quoteoh and didn't YOU say Bama was going to beat them

I said Alabama would lose to Florida State, Georgia, LSU, and Auburn. What does Alabama have to do with it, anyway?

I had heard a lot about Colt Brennan but never seen him play. He looked about as mobile as me yesterday against Georgia. Pretty suprising how totally irrelevant he was.

And I'm not buying all the Georgia hype. (saying Georgia would run up the score on a healthy USC team is just plain silly). Georgia lost to very average teams (actually got steam rolled by Tennessee) and they barely squeaked by a .500 Bama team in OT, should have lost to Vandy but Vandy fumbled on the Georgia 18 very late in the game allowing Georgia to drive for the winning FG. They could have easily been 8-4.

I just don't seem a dominant SEC team this year, as far as nationally. Even though LSU will probably beat Ohio State, I think they will do so not b/c LSU is great, it's just that Ohio St isn't so great either. LSU lost to an average Arkansas at home and an average Kentucky team, and beat very average Bama (who lost to LA-Monroe at home), Auburn (who lost to South FLA at home), by 7 and 6 points.

Here's hoping for a playoff soon so all of this can be settled on the field.

Did you notice how selfishly distraught Colt was to see his backup score Hawaai's one and only touchdown pass? The commentators were sucking his cock all night, talking about what a great, spiritual, charitable kid he is... and then he makes a selfish ass out of himself on National TV.

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QuoteLook at who the Dawgs lost to this year....

They lost to Steve Spurrier when South Carolina was relevant, Week 2, and to the SEC East Division Champs... what's your point? Name me one team that hasn't lost a couple of games this year.

Quoteoh and didn't YOU say Bama was going to beat them

I said Alabama would lose to Florida State, Georgia, LSU, and Auburn. What does Alabama have to do with it, anyway?

Since I've wasted my time please refer to page 8 of off topic ramblings. There you will see a thread entitled UGA vs ALA. Please read it ..I dont believe I ever predicted GA to lose to Bama,but if you read it's entirety you said I think Bama will win by 32. Also, GA lost to UT who those bums pasted ..and I'm quoting YOU with the word pasted...Hell read the damn pages yourself

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No, but never say never, right? Even in a year of ridiculous outcomes, I just don't see it happening under any circumstances at all. LSU outclasses Arkansas in every single category, and even when they try their damnedest to throw a game - they just can't help but win. Not only that, but they'll beat you twice.

Darren McFadden will be lucky to leave Louisiana in stable condition - I'm saying he'll get no more than 100 yards rushing on LSU, and he'll likely get injured in the process. That poor guy has had a bullseye on his number the entire season, because the hogs don't have a passing game to threaten with a spread and every defense in the SEC knows it.

McFadden will run the ball for the majority, and he'll probably take a few snaps once Nut gets desperate to open the field against the run block. The rest of the hogs offensive will be spent giving LSU interceptions.

Another prediction... Watch for Darren McFadden to get sacked into next week. While he has an amazing stiff arm when he's taking the ball upfield - when he takes a snap as a QB, he always seems to step into a classic quarterback stance and state of mind. He dives and slides like a quarterback if he feels pressure. I've seen it numerous times, a couple of times in person. It will blow your mind.

I'm never too hot at picking scores, but I could see LSU putting up 40-ish... and Arkansas left in the teens.

QuoteWill Georgia be the team playing LSU in the championship?  Do they have a chance to beat them on a nuetral field?

I don't know if they will be, but they should be. The only reason they aren't the sure bet is because the Vols spanked them hard... if there is a tie between the two, UT will obviously win the verses and represent the East. It'll be a travesty, but this is the year of travesties.  

If Tennessee goes to Atlanta for the Championship... they'll be smoked.

I'm with rccola on this one. As far as your predictions go ewok, a lot of times you're waaaaaayyy off base. I'd say this was your best post of miscaculation. First off saying LSU outclasses Arkansas in every single category, we have forgiven you for that one. Saying McFadden leaves the game injured and not getting 100 yards, well, he rushed for 206! Saying the Hogs will be giving LSU interceptions, they threw none. And Arkansas left in the teens? Try 50's!

Plus the Tennesse prediction that they will "get smoked" in Atlanta, when they lost to "mighty" LSU by 7.

  If you throw out predictions every week, of course some will stick, but, when they don't, you look silly. I'd retire the old crystal ball  ;)

All I know is that Mizzou finished 2-0 against the SEC this year. ;D ;)

Seriously though, this season has been the most fun I have ever had with college football.  I will never forget what a fun year it was.  However, I can't help but be a little dissapointed that we will never know, how we would have played against a top ten team.    We will probably finish the year ranked around #5 and we played a bowl game against a team that will end up not even in the top 25.  Something is just wrong with that.

And yes, I understand we had our chance with OU, and we blew it.  I accept that.   But find out tommorow night after KU gets smoked by Virginia Tech if the Orange Bowl made the right decision.



(Temple minus McFadden equals 176 yards and 3 touchdowns.)

It truly has been a fun season.  And it's been a pleasure talking about it on the forum with all of you football nuts that stick around here.  

...Let's not forget about the basketball forum now ;)

I get a few wrong, I get a few right... so what?

I picked Alabama to go 8-4, and I specifically stated who they couldn't beat. They went 6-6, surprise losses to Mississippi State and LA Monroe. That's still 10 out of 12.

My bowl picks, so far, are 8 out of 10... and before the kickoff, I admitted I was smoking crack to have picked Texas A&M to beat Penn. State.

QuoteAll I know is that Mizzou finished 2-0 against the SEC this year. ;D ;)

Seriously though, this season has been the most fun I have ever had with college football.  I will never forget what a fun year it was.  However, I can't help but be a little dissapointed that we will never know, how we would have played against a top ten team.    We will probably finish the year ranked around #5 and we played a bowl game against a team that will end up not even in the top 25.  Something is just wrong with that.

And yes, I understand we had our chance with OU, and we blew it.  I accept that.   But find out tommorow night after KU gets smoked by Virginia Tech if the Orange Bowl made the right decision.



(Temple minus McFadden equals 176 yards and 3 touchdowns.)

And don't forget, they beat the piss out of NU.  :'( :'(

Here's to hoping next year is a much more competative game. It better be as it's in Lincoln, and there will be a riot if they lose to Mizzou at home.

QuoteIt better be as it's in Lincoln, and there will be a riot if they lose to Mizzou at home.

Better get the torches out! ;)

USC #1?

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=756856

Go Hokies!!!!  :)

Reason #322 I don't bet on college football:

West Virgina- 48
Oklahoma- 28

QuoteWest Virgina- 48
Oklahoma- 28

And the remarkable thing about WVU winning last night is the way they pulled it off.  There was no "sneak win" here, unlike the OU v. Boise State game... The Mountaineers just dominated the Sooners. What was the rushing yardage, last night? 300 to 100? Totally sick, considering the size OU on it's lines.

I was appalled by some of the calls from Stoops - the onside kick, the random trick play at the goal line. I would have never guessed that this game would be the one where an interim coach gets a win.

Wow.  I honestly didn't think Kansas would be ahead of VT right now.

QuoteWow.  I honestly didn't think Kansas would be ahead of VT right now.

I did. ACC is the worst of the major confrences.

The ACC IS THE WORST?!?!?

Come ON Dark!!!! What about the Pac-1...

I mean the Big 10...wait, Big 12...

WAIT!  The MAC...

Shit.  Yep.    You're right :-[

In football, I mean. Not questioning your B-ball dominance ;)

And I love the quote under your avatar!  ;D

Hah, I know you weren't talking about B-ball.  It really is down in football this year for sure though, and the 17-0 lead that Kansas has right now really shows it.

And yeah, I had to change the avatar quote.  I'm so psyched for going into Littlejohn this weekend (I've got tickets!!!!!) and hopefully getting a nice conference win.  

Of course. Don't blow it. Please.  :)

QuoteReason #322 I don't bet on college football:

West Virgina- 48
Oklahoma- 28

or the NFL either (for me)

I extend my apologies to Kansas. I've been saying VT is over-rated all season, but I really expected them to work Kansas... I just can't believe I'm saying Kansas deserved it's BCS entry. In football.

That was a shocker to me as well, obviously.   I didn't get to see the game (I was at the Bobby Bare Jr. show :o) but wow, I never expected OU to lose and I certainly never expected KU to win.  Strange, strange season.

Who's ready to eat their words?!  Come on SEC fans, let's hear one more time how every team in your conference could beat any team in any other conference.  Or how OSU doesn't deserve to be in this game.  Give me some more fodder to say I told you so tomorrow night.  I am excited to see OSU get their revenge on the SEC and finally shut some of you up a little bit.

Let's Go BUCKEYES!!!



***DISCLAIMER: I did not attend the Ohio State University so I obviously have no emotional investment in this game.  These are my ideas and conjectures based on outside observations.  I just hope the best team wins!***  ;)

I hate to say it any other time of the year, but Geaux Tigers - Beat Bleauxhio.

LSU is going with a two QB approach?!?!?!  Does that ever work?  

I really am still amazed that these are the two teams playing in the championship game.  However, I am looking forward to it for sure.

tonight's the big night and I honestly have to say that the BCS Championship game, played over a month after the final regular season game, isn't half as interesting to me now. NCAA basketball is going strong (anyone see Clemson vs NC last night?) and the NFL Playoffs (playoffs? Who ever heard of a playoff system to crown a champion?) are kicking into gear.

I am just a little less interested in tonight's game than last years...and will probably be even less interested next year if this silly format continues.

But, Geaux Tigers! Laissez les bons temps rouler!

Okay I'm over our disgusting performance once again in the Fiesta Bowl.  Anyone who wants to send a couple of shots my way about OU or Stoops not performing in big bowl games lets bring it on :-/    We deserve it.  Crazy year in college football though, glad it wasn't just our program.

That being said, I'm going to have to go with Ewok and Tracy on this one and say Go Tigers.  Not that big of a fan of rooting for Les Miles, but I just can't stand Big 10 football.  Congrats to BH and Ewok and everyone else who's alma matter or favorite teams won their bowl games.  Now we just have to wait seven more months for it to return :(

QuoteOkay I'm over our disgusting performance once again in the Fiesta Bowl.  Anyone who wants to send a couple of shots my way about OU or Stoops not performing in big bowl games lets bring it on :-/    We deserve it.  Crazy year in college football though, glad it wasn't just our program.

At least your team went to a bowl game and had a respectable season  ::) Next Season, watch out!!!

some real class commments (or is it jealousy?) on the SEC, from the Big 10 commissioner Jim Delany. This isn't some trash talking homer fan, this is the "voice" for Big 10 football. I smell sour grapes.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylt=Annykg_oB7kWk48e0LtAWYEcvrYF?slug=dw-bigtensec010608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

And here's the actual letter

http://bigten.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/020907aaa.html

And the irony of this letter? According to Scout.com, Florida's graduation rate for football players in 2006 was 80% and Ohio State's was 55%... (Div-1 avg. is 67%).

Blah game so far.  Not bad in the 1st quarter, but it's all LSU's game in the 2nd one.  

I do have a serious inquiry, though.  Has anyone heard anything about the Pontiac Game changing performance?  I thought they were supposed to announce the winner during the game (which is hopefully Appalachian State) but I haven't seen any indication to do that yet.  Hm...

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QuoteOkay I'm over our disgusting performance once again in the Fiesta Bowl.  Anyone who wants to send a couple of shots my way about OU or Stoops not performing in big bowl games lets bring it on :-/    We deserve it.  Crazy year in college football though, glad it wasn't just our program.

At least your team went to a bowl game and had a respectable season  ::) Next Season, watch out!!!

I feel your pain mj, we had our down time in the 90's, when you were dominant.  Hope you guys turn it around soon, miss those good OU vs NU games ;)

Do they teach tackling in the SEC and Big 10? ;)

Here's a shocker: Ohio State didn't deserve to be in the BCS Championship game. Losing to maybe the best SEC team (some said Georgia). What a joke we had to put up with that a second year in a row.

Ohio State beat no one during the year, and when they played someone tonight, they got their heads handed to them. If they're in the SEC, they maybe go 7-5. They had 364 days to live with what Florida gave them last year, and this was their answer? That's 0-9 against the SEC in bowl games. 0-9!  ;D

And what's up with the OSU band? They look like The Salvation Army Band!
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We got to get a playoff to get all the Big 10 riff raff out of the way.

Final conference bowl records:
Atlantic Coast (8) 2-6
Big 12 (8) 5-3
Big East (5) 3-2
Big Ten (8) 3-5
Conference USA (6) 2-4
Independents (FBS) (1) 0-1
Mid-American (3) 0-3
Mountain West (5) 4-1
Pacific-10 (6) 4-2
Southeastern (9) 7-2
Sun Belt (1) 1-0
Western Athletic (4) 1-3



 

QuoteWhat a joke we had to put up with that a second year in a row.

Oh come on, Tracy... don't act like you haven't enjoyed it.

I knew it would be bad, but for LSU to put up 31 unanswered points... Jesus. This just goes to show that (THE?!) Ohio State, while belonging in a BCS game, certainly didn't belong in the title game. It would have made more sense to see them against Hawaai.

I guess this means we won't need anymore size-42 font updates about how (THE!!#1111!) Ohio State Oh-And-Niners are l33t and the SEC is over-rated.

Let's just all remember, as the basketball season unfolds, how shitty the ACC is in football. ;D

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yeah, that was one of my favorite points of the game. My wife was casually watching, working on her laptop, and she looked up when Highsmith leveled Boeckman and said, "Holy Shit".

classic

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QuoteWhat a joke we had to put up with that a second year in a row.

Oh come on, Tracy... don't act like you haven't enjoyed it.

I knew it would be bad, but for LSU to put up 31 unanswered points... Jesus. This just goes to show that (THE?!) Ohio State, while belonging in a BCS game, certainly didn't belong in the title game. It would have made more sense to see them against Hawaai.

I guess this means we won't need anymore size-42 font updates about how (THE!!#1111!) Ohio State Oh-And-Niners are l33t and the SEC is over-rated.

[size=48]I just remind to remind Angry Ewok that THE Ohio State Buckeyes are #2 and the Alabama Crimson Tide are unranked.[/size]

I'm disappointed with the loss last night but I'm not disappointed with our season.  We beat Michigan, got to a national championship game, and  finished second overall in the nation.  I'd be a lot more disappointed if I rooted for the Crimson Tide (or Ole Miss for that matter).