Kerry-Edwards or Bush-Cheney?
Assuming Ralph Nader will lose again, I am curious to see who the majority of the MMJ fanbase would elect. Will MMJ be collectively voting for Kerry?
One vote apiece would suffice.
Thankee, Jbreed :)
there is only one choice: kerry-edwards
Of course it's Kerry-Edwards.
definitely Kerry-Edwards
I can't vote but if I would:
Kerry-Edwards
I was wondering, if a person says "I'll never be able to do such and such; or, I could never do that or this." What's the chances that that person would ever be able to do those things? Negligible, right? In the same way, Americans insistence of saying "This or that candidate can never win" is simply a self fulfilling prophecy. Such negativity from a constituency bent on change is heartbreaking in the least, but not influential.
Nader/Camejo 2004
It would seem that you would have to be under the influence of crack to even consider casting a vote for Bush-Cheney. Apparently there are a few crackheads out there (not on this forum yet!) Long live John Kerry.
not a fan of the ketchup boy. done nothing for Massachusetts that rates him getting my vote and I actually don't like him as a person either. which, I guess, leaves me choosing between Mr Nader and Pres Bush :-/
Well Mr. Fanatic...
we seem to have the same attitude toward this problem.
welcome back my dearest junkie! :D
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
If you don't vote kerry, it's okay, but please don't vote bush. Nor the world, nor America need this guy for another four years.
Please remember this wide-spread european wish, when voting.
lfish really has a good point. Although we obviously can't vote, the outcome of the US elections affestcs us a great deal. We watch with interest...
Quotelfish really has a good point. Although we obviously can't vote, the outcome of the US elections affestcs us a great deal. We watch with interest...
It affects us too :-/
Friends from around the world, feel good in that there are many countless folks here working for change. I can't remember an election that so galvanized the most apathetic people into action. You should SEE the work that is being done to spread the word.
That doesn't guarantee anything...but it does show that there is an active opposition to what is going on, and that this country is evenly split (more or less) into two halves, a dangerous position, IMHO.
I want to reach out to my brothers and sisters in the other half (I'm looking your way, Mr. Fanatic! ;)) and ask them all to debate it over pints or bourbon or whatever your choice of poison is. I encourage my brothers and sisters on my half to reexamine the issues, and reach out in dialog with those that do not agree. We can't surely solve the country's problems spouting sewage on talk radio, nor can we let the talking heads decide for us what we need to know. This goes for both sides of the aisle.
This election is so urgently important due to the circumstances we find ourselves in at this juncture of history. There are two paths; we must decide which path our nation is to take, and I encourage you to vote intelligently and examine all of the issues. Of course, the most important issue we face is the ongoing war. Whether you support the idea that pre-emptive invasions are a good idea or not, you have to consider the justifications, motivations, and policy direction we have been forced to go towards during this administration, and what affect that has had worldwide on our image, our trade and economic climate, and our collective soul as a nation.
The war is a mistake. People are dying RIGHT NOW for little more than smoke and mirrors, faulty and/or misconstrued intelligence, and a whole lot of corporate profiteering that the Constitution doesn't allow for. We have to ask ourselves some serious questions-where is Osama Bin Laden? Why haven't we expended billions of dollars finding him and bringing him to justice? Why is the supposed threat in Iraq more important than any other issue?
We are supposedly a world leader. We should be using that position in more positive ways-not barnstorming across borders and allowing people to die. No one is defending the country from invaders in Iraq. Consider that as you enter the polls on November 2. I know I will, and that compells me to vote Kerry-Edwards.
Is John Kerry the perfect candidate? No.
Is John Kerry the cure for aids, the solution to poverty, the panacea that ignites a social revolution away from the politics of destruction? Probably not.
Is John Kerry the candidate that has the best chance of unseating George Bush? Yes, yes he is, by a country mile. If continuing the failed policies of the past few years is your bag, vote for one of the other two candidates. If not, vote Kerry-Edwards. Above all things, vote your conscience and consider the war and its long term consequences for all of us-and know which candidate will continue this failed strategy and which one will not. I can't stress that enough.
Me - Kerry
my wife - Kerry
my daughter - Kerry
Being a fellow Masshole, I agree with MMJ Fanatic that Kerry is not a great man or leader. He has voted ultra liberal on all issues. And, being a hardworking, middleclass citizen, i do not want my taxes going through the f-ing roof. But, i have to choose my country and the rest of the world over my money and some of my beliefs. Bush has not been the conservative he promised to be, and he has totally f-ed us in iraq. There is no doubt kerry will win Mass, so my vote is going to Nader for the 2nd time. It just makes sense without a popular voting system. But, i do want Kerry to win because i cannot stand to see what another 4 years of Bush will bring. peace. :-/
Is this something to laugh or to weep?
Please think twice before voting...
http://slate.msn.com/id/76886/
greetz
Ah, the million dollar question, my friend.
Bush isn't so much about intelligence or skills, but is so much about philosophy (as in the puppet masters that pull his strings). There would be no Bush II regime without Rummy, Cheney, Rice, Ashcroft, or even Powell.
I just LOVE it when we turn back the clock in the name of "progress". Let's compare 1992 to now, shall we:
-war in Mideast country we're involved in
-unstead economic times, despite the "statistics" touted as recovery. didn't work then, doesn't work now.
-very high crude oil prices
-like father, like son: except in this case, Bush I was a better president. hopefully we won't have to repeat this mistake again.
the same policy makers that were on cryogenics in the early 90s are pulling the strings now. hasn't anyone been bothered to figure out that these policies DON'T FUCKING WORK?! who exactly benefits from these policies? sure isn't the poor fuckers being sent to early graves in iraq in the name of what, exactly? "security"? i think not.
the war is a mistake, a huge, blaring, grave misstep in our history akin to Vietnam. my only hope is that we wake up and wrestle control from the war pigs before we have a body count akin to Vietnam, or worse-more terrorist attacks on our soil.
and there's no fucking way in God's green earth that anyone could construe that as "appeasement". fuck that-who fights fire with fire? the more we respond, the more hate we are inclined to breed. kinda like the mollusk: don't feed the trolls.
folks, hundreds of billions of dollars and a thousand american souls have been expended in this horrible mistake. it's time to call those who are responsible for this mess and fix it: by replacing them. if i did .0000000000001% of the missteps done in my name by my government in iraq at work, i would have been long fired by now.
Perfectly said conaway. Why do people continue to put their perceived special interests ahead of progress and common sense? What a strange world we live in.
QuoteIs this something to laugh or to weep?
http://slate.msn.com/id/76886/
First one, then the other, I guess :(
It doesn't really matter...I don't believe there is a right answer. I am definately on the conservative side and I would more than likely vote republican. However, I am not going to be pissed off if a democrate is our president. I think in general we should respect whomever our leader is.
On the other hand, I believe our government does a lot of wrong things. I just don't put the blame on a single person. We may have a president, but that does not mean he makes all the decisions and he is not influenced and advised by other people. Politics are full of handouts and favors.
ah, but therein lies the rub: if the President and his cabinet dictate policy (through executive orders and not through legislation), then ultimately they are responsible for the consequences of those policies. if it's legislated (like it is supposed to be), then the system of "checks and balances" applies and both branches are responsible.
it is the singular minded approach that this administration has taken since day one that calls me to arms. I agree that the office should be respected, that's a given.
I just don't think that the person in this office regards us with the same respect, and that is problematic for me.
Kat, I do respect your point of view, so don't take what I just said as an attack. We like it civil here and I did NOT mean to offend in any way...so I apologize in advance if I did.
QuoteIt doesn't really matter...I don't believe there is a right answer. I am definately on the conservative side and I would more than likely vote republican. However, I am not going to be pissed off if a democrate is our president. I think in general we should respect whomever our leader is.
On the other hand, I believe our government does a lot of wrong things. I just don't put the blame on a single person. We may have a president, but that does not mean he makes all the decisions and he is not influenced and advised by other people. Politics are full of handouts and favors.
yup x 2. I am terribly annoyed with both sides of the political process. moreso with the libs because of the level of hypocrisy and dishonesty they show. for instance--are all the swift boat veterans for truth are lying and Kerry is the only truthful one? the level of spin that surrounds these people is dizzying and I am still feeling the effects of the sickening amount of spin that came out of Clinton's camp--he even let his own wife maintain the "vast right wing conspiracy" illusion while in fact he had committed the acts he was confronted with. meanwhile what does he do while the situation is developing? lob some missiles into the desert to make it look like he is a big terrorist hunter. I feel like what is fair game for them is hollered, screamed, and cried about when the same approach is fired back at them. why should Bush denounce the ads by these veterans--I didn't see Kerry denounce Whoopi Goldberg when she tore into President Bush. neo-cons piss me off too with all their bluster and tough talk, too reactionary. this is not a good year for politics American style but in the end it is still the greatest country and I'm glad I live here and not some place where I have to give up 90% of my paycheck. I know I sound like an 'incurable' but I am actually a registered independent :D
QuoteKat, I do respect your point of view, so don't take what I just said as an attack. We like it civil here and I did NOT mean to offend in any way...so I apologize in advance if I did.
Not offended of course. I wish my typing would stop comming across as korean with my H's an I's...
Obviously, i've never been a government official and I don't know 100% of everything that goes on. I guess I buy too much into the fact that we don't really know everything that our government partakes in and I feel like they withhold a lot of information. So I base my thoughts a little on conspiracy. I have not been excited about a candidate since Alan Keyes. I really don't agree with what Bush has been doing...however I assume there is some underlying meaning to it regardless if it is right or wrong. At the same time I don't believe Kerry can run this country. I just find him inadequate for my own personal reasons.
( here comes the opinions only section )I think if this war would have happend 60 years ago Saddam would have been considered a lesser version of Hitler. At that point in time our country was truely united. We would have been helping out a country for the good of humanity and not for our own personal reasons. If it would have happened 30 yeas ago it would have been another viet nam. Our country has gradually become more independent and we have been forming our own decisions. This war that has been taking place has only caused conflict for us in my opinion. It seems like the United States is in a battle of Democrates vs. Republicans. This has helped with getting more people out there to vote, which I support even though I disagree with the electoral college, but it leaves a lot of our country with a loss of respect. If Bush wins then all the Kerry supporters are going to dislike everything that goes on and visa versa.
I guess my main arguement is was there is a lack of support "in general." Followed up by me disliking our government and the ways I think it opperates incorrectly. I see what you are saying with the presidents cabinet and his administration. There is just so much conflict and miscommunication that we hear about on tv that makes me wonder that something has to be going on. I just don't put all the blame on our President.
end rant... I LOVE MY MORNING JACKET!!!!!
I wish my typing would stop comming across as korean with my H's an I's...
I do hope that this is some sort of keyboard problem you're having.
QuoteI wish my typing would stop comming across as korean with my H's an I's...
I do hope that this is some sort of keyboard problem you're having.
Can you guys see it also? I downloaded a few korean based programs on my computer and for some reason when i post in boards now it gives me crap sometimes
yo, send Riny an IM to check to see if the code here is the culprit...
Korean Hs and Is?
I really don't see it.
What would that look like anyway ???
i'm voting for willie.
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yes...i see the light. We should all write willie nelson in. I think they should send you a letter or something if someone wrote you in.
well, if anything it sure would make the campaign more interesting than it is now...
Willie's awesome.
I believe they made a movie of him, not? free willie.
Anyway,
I hate it to hear that bush is a few points ahead in the polls.
I can't believe that people doesn't or won't see the incapability and the sillyness of this president.
Here in Europe, everyone (and that is no exageration) is considering Bush as one of the worst US presidents. That can count for something...
And believe me, we have a far more objective view on this matter, simply because we're not americans.
I recently read that even the big newschannels, like Fox, aren't telling things right. Sometime they withhold important information and do not fully explain the real consequences of Bush's policy. Bush said in his inauguration speech of the year 2000 to unify and not to divide America. Well if we look to America today, that one is one big lie.
Once again,
Be a democrat, republican or independant, but help the world and yourself:
Do not vote Bush.
Amen to that Brother Ifish.
Oh btw, I also heard some voices saying that with another four years of bush, fascism is gradually taking over America.
I do not completely agree with this point of view, because there are a lot of intelligent people in America who will oppose to this threat, but nevertheless it holds some truth and danger.
One of the biggest threats right now is nationalism. Republicans are using this theme ( with national security on top) to influence and manipulate people. It's very difficult, when once accused for being anti-nationalistic, to refute this accusation.
Here in Belgium, it sometimes occurs, that when having a discussion with someone with a different skincolor, this person is immediately saying your a racist.
This accusation is so hard and so difficult to refute that when others hear this, they won't be easily convinced of your innocence.
It's the same with nationalism.
So far my plea
QuoteOh btw, I also heard some voices saying that with another four years of bush, fascism is gradually taking over America.
I do not completely agree with this point of view, because there are a lot of intelligent people in America who will oppose to this threat, but nevertheless it holds some truth and danger.
One of the biggest threats right now is nationalism. Republicans are using this theme ( with national security on top) to influence and manipulate people. It's very difficult, when once accused for being anti-nationalistic, to refute this accusation.
Here in Belgium, it sometimes occurs, that when having a discussion with someone with a different skincolor, this person is immediately saying your a racist.
This accusation is so hard and so difficult to refute that when others hear this, they won't be easily convinced of your innocence.
It's the same with nationalism.
So far my plea
refuting the charge that you are a racist is quite a simple manner: use the DICTIONARY definition--a doctrine or teaching, without scientific support, that claims to find racial differences in character, intelligence, etc., that asserts the superiority of one race over another or others--straight out of Websters!
as far as FASCISM, I again turn to Websters: a system of government characterized by rigid, one party dictatorship, forcible suppression of opposition, private economic enterprise under centralized government control, belligerent nationalism, racism, militarism. I don't know if you've ever visited the US but we don't have tanks running through the streets, like some places I could name, to ensure the party line is towed. yes we did institute the patriot act, after 9/11 which was a major new chapter in our history, but we needed a new approach to ensure our intelligence community has the tools necessary to prevent anymore such chapters appearing in our history--3000+ civilians dead is more than enough--and there is not one instance of the patriot act being abused/used inappropriately--try to find one. the only Fascists we have here are skinheads/nazis--whose existence is allowed thanks to the FREEDOM of our society--and the ACLU who is on a mission to remove any type of value system our founding fathers followed in the organization of our country and government.
It is true that national security is a top issue, but I think there are plenty of intelligent people who can figure out who will best maintain our security. there is so much coverage worldwide of what terrorist are capable of and I, for one, do not want the streets of my town to look the way the streets of Israel or Palestine look on any given day.
whew! 'nuff said
QuoteI, for one, do not want the streets of my town to look the way the streets of Israel or Palestine look on any given day.
I don't think that will happen. But fact is that the patriot act is a fargoing measure to "secure" america. The things happening in Guantanomo or Abu Ghraib is not really relevant for the government. Civil rights and humanity is subordinate to "security". And can you say, right now, that America has become a safer place, which was one of the biggest goals of mr W. ?
A majority of the musulmans hate America. With the measures taken by mr bush, this number is only increasing. America isn't popular in the world, any more.
Fasciscm begins with isolation.
And also, by fascism I don't mean the nice explanation of your dictionary, sometimes fascism is far more subtile than tanks running in the streets.
Nah, also nice put. ;)
Quoteprivate economic enterprise under centralized government control
straight from the dictionary.
I am willing to give a little when it comes to national security if it means removing a president with his own agenda.
and f the media as far as i am concerned. they have turned it into a complete 3 ring circus. we now only hear what the media wants us to hear.
The charges of Racism and Fascism are exaggerations, hyperbole, which only make people angry and do not help anything. Clearly Bush isn't Hitler or Mussolini.
However, the way the current administration operates seems to be unconstitutional an unAmerican. Guantanamo is a perfect example. Holding prisoners without charging them by finding a loophole in the law (Gitmo is not technically the USA). Here's another example: 'Free Speech Zones' which keep protesters away from the people who need to hear the protests.
As far as this:
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there is not one instance of the patriot act being abused/used inappropriately--try to find one.
It is hard to find instances because the PATRIOT Act allows for so much secrecy. Here is one instance: one of the most publicized and most controversial clauses allows the gov't to search someone's library records. Dick 'Halliburton' Cheney, when he came to Louisville, claimed this clause had never been used. But the director of the local library says he has been approached by law enforcement who requested patron records.
well, i have to say that mr tundra is right on about the patriot act...that DID occur here in louisville (or so we're told, but who would make this up?)
thing is, and he's right again on this...due to the "secrecy" surrounding this nonsense, we may never know what is happening. we only know what we're told, and that ain't much.
this GITMO business is appalling. i don't care what we think they've done, we are AMERICA and no one should be held without trial or without seeing a lawyer. what are we afraid of? that we'll find out that this net we've cast has caught innocent people?
abuse of power is unacceptable. we need to turn back the clock and remember what the constitution is and what it stands for. "innocent until proven guilty" isn't just a slogan, it's a credo we built our justice system on. to somehow circumvent this in the name of "security" or whatever horseshit excuse they've dreamt up this week smacks of, well....evil. if americans were held somewhere in the world like this (and they probably are, for all we know) we would send bombers, troops, ships, anything to get them out. we would scream long and hard at the "injustice" of being held without a trial. guess that's okay when we do it, though...do as I say, not as I do?
I tire of the debate on whether this is right or wrong. Some things are definitely WRONG, and what we are doing here is. No amount of justification can assuage my fears on this subject, as there isn't any reality where this is acceptable.
Our shotgun blast crap on the Geneva Accords is also mind boggling and worrysome. If our troops or civilians or whatever you want to classify these souls as were being held like this somewhere, we would be pissed to the nth power.
We have taken a dangerous turn down a path that has been proven, throughout history, to be fraught with terrible things. Haven't we learned any lessons from previous wars? Who are we to turn upside down the lessons of the past? We forget so quickly how many died so that we can have this nice conversation right now, and at the same time, we spit in their faces to extend the single minded agendas of our so called leaders. Who profits and who dies? "War Pigs" by Black Sabbath should be our national anthem these days. "Politicans hide themselves away...they only started the war...why should they go out to fight? they leave all that to the poor."
With Bush hiding at his ranch and pretending to run the country while sons and daughters of America die for nothing more than smoke and mirrors disgusts me. As a veteran myself, this is NOT what our military is for-it is for the defense of our country. Here, on our borders. While we're busy galavanting across the globe, 9/11 happened. That fact alone should cause anyone to pause and say "dude, WTF?"
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and f the media as far as i am concerned. they have turned it into a complete 3 ring circus. we now only hear what the media wants us to hear.
testify bro'!
QuoteThe charges of Racism and Fascism are exaggerations, hyperbole, which only make people angry and do not help anything. Clearly Bush isn't Hitler or Mussolini.
I never said this is the case, but I've read it in an interview with a famous journalist (his name slips my mind) who survived the second world war and several other wars like vietnam... He has seen fascism and mcarthyism from nearby. I guess, he knows what he's talking about...
But in fact, he's just warning not to believe everything the government or the media is saying. Be critical, it's your right.
Yesterday, I saw a man, a hard-ass republican, yelling at the people who were holding a demonstration in new york. He became abusive and called them ratts and accused them of not being real americans. This was so sad to watch at. It is this restriction in open-mindness that is dangerous imho.
I completely follow John here: there is enough misery, poverty, war, violence in the world. All this starts when power is abused and the man in the street does not react or oppose.
Now you have the chance to oppose.
QuoteThe
Guantanamo is a perfect example. Holding prisoners without charging them by finding a loophole in the law
Here is one instance: one of the most publicized and most controversial clauses allows the gov't to search someone's library records.
Everyone in Gitmo is an enemy combatant and is not covered by the US Constitution.
I don't have a problem with anyone checking my library records although they probably won't because I am not a threat to anyone (except maybe the local rabbits ;)). It's loke the old cliche--if you're not doing anything illegal you have nothing to worry about, and personally I would want to know soonere than later if the guy down the street was building a dirty bomb in his basement. I believe the act was passed pretty evenly along party lines too (I know Kerry voted for it).
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I believe the act was passed pretty evenly along party lines too (I know Kerry voted for it).
Yeah, this is sad and a perfect example of why I don't like either major party. But I bet it was hard to NOT vote for something called the USA PATRIOT Act after 9/11.
Everyone in Gitmo is labelled as an enemy combatant. That way we can ignore POW guidelines. THat does not mean everyone in Gitmo is guilty.
And yes, if you are doing nothing illegal then you don't need to worry about anything. But reading is still legal. What if I was a fan of Edward Abbey, author of the Monkeywrench Gang, and advocate of ecoterrorism. I may not be an ecoterrorist (I'm Not!) but I should still have the right to read Abbey's books without being afraid of Big Brother knocking on my door.
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Yeah, this is sad and a perfect example of why I don't like either major party. But I bet it was hard to NOT vote for something called the USA PATRIOT Act after 9/11.
Everyone in Gitmo is labelled as an enemy combatant. That way we can ignore POW guidelines. THat does not mean everyone in Gitmo is guilty.
And yes, if you are doing nothing illegal then you don't need to worry about anything. But reading is still legal. What if I was a fan of Edward Abbey, author of the Monkeywrench Gang, and advocate of ecoterrorism. I may not be an ecoterrorist (I'm Not!) but I should still have the right to read Abbey's books without being afraid of Big Brother knocking on my door.
totally agred bro'--both parties raise bile in my throat too!
Defenantly George W.
Ok once and a while, a laugh can make your day
http://users.pandora.be/luvam/thisland/
Excellent! :D
QuoteCheney: U.S. Risks Hit With Wrong Choice
By AMY LORENTZEN
Associated Press Writer
DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) -- Vice President Dick Cheney says the United States will risk another terrorist attack if voters make the wrong choice on Election Day, suggesting Sen. John Kerry would follow a pre-Sept. 11 policy of reacting defensively.
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Okay this picture above was supposed to present a lying pinnocio.
What a big lie! America has not become any safer with four years of Bush, on the contrary.
You don't defeat terrorism by installing a president who only talks with muscles. You have to take care of the real causes of terrorism: poverty, power abuse, education, diversity, democracy.
True, it's a lot more difficult thing to do and it takes a long long time before any results are visible, but I believe it's the right way. Isolation won't help. Even if Bush declares war to the whole world, terrorists will still be able to attack every country they want to because he doesn't do anything to take away the roots of terrorism.
I've read Kerry changed his campaign team, AGAIN.
No, I don't live in America, but here in Europe we have the idea that Kerry's communication skills are not so brilliant as W's.
Some America-watchers are afraid Kerry won't make it.
An interesting thing to know is that kerry takes now the same campaignleader as Michael dukakis in 88, namely John Sasso. Dukakis lost spectacular from Bush senior after a mudcampaign organized by the republicans.
Firstly I don't think it's a good move to change the team right now. It proves that the whole campaign is not well prepared. There is no real steady line in it like Bush does have. Secondly, by changing the leadership of his campaing team and let it led by John sasso is a second mistake. He failed once with Dukakis. On such high level, mistakes or not allowed, not in the past, not in the future. So a steady, successfull man is needed here.
Any opinions on that?
yeah, we need kucinich.
Kerry is in trouble. he is slipping in the polls big time. Bush just has a better campaign strategy and always seems to take advantage of Kerry's mistakes...unfortionately.
QuoteKerry is in trouble. he is slipping in the polls big time. Bush just has a better campaign strategy and always seems to take advantage of Kerry's mistakes...unfortionately.
Only if we and he let that happen. The debates will prove otherwise.
Quoteyeah, we need kucinich.
yikes!
Any one watched the debates yesterday evening? Is it likely you're gonna change your vote after seeing it?
Who was the winner or who was the dork?
I just watched to fahrenheit 9/11. Touching and sometimes manipulating, but nevertheless great.
Especially the episode in Iraq, where Us soldiers testify is moving.
I watched the debate. Kerry didn't seem to seperate himself from Bush enough. Already being an underdog, he can't go in there and say have the same views barring a smidge here or there and expect to win.
I thought Kerry had an outstanding debate. Bush likewise. Kerry just looked on top of his game. Bush's speaking style really hurts him sometimes.
I thought it was funny how they adjusted the camera for bush.
just to make him as tall as kerry.
did you all notice that?
I think kerry handled it better.
everytime bush couldn't think of something to say he just kept repeating the same thing about how kerry keeps switching positions. wise things like 'the only thing that's consistent in his consistency is his inconsistency'.
For the people who want to rewatch the debate:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/specials/interactives/debates/index.html?SITE=KYLOU&SECTION=HOME
QuoteKerry didn't seem to seperate himself from Bush enough
Say what?! If Bush said "it's hard work" once he said it fifteen times in five minutes. Kerry was on top of his game stylistically and issue-wise. I think ol George had his clock cleaned in this round. Kinda like the difference between staying up all night to cram for an exam, or spending weeks preparing. Which one was Kerry? :)
Even I have to admit, Kerry handed Bush his hat. And I'm still not voting for him.
/not a swing state voter anyway so who cares, right?
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It seems like Dubya is sweating like hell, feeling the heat of Kerry in his back ;D
or perhaps the night terrors are increasing... :)
ahhh, he's just doing what all humans do--perspiring ;)
Kerry's not on Bush's back. He's got vitually no shot at winning this election. The dude is a dud. You hardly heard from him for months after the primary. Even the papers were wondering what the hell this goof was doing. Anyone know a bookie taking bets? Bet the farm on W!
Ah yes, the papers are always right.
btw...didnt forsey get released?
Yes Forsey did get released, but his underdog spirit lives on and inspires the members of The Brock Forsey Experience as we cheer on the Bears each week and listen to My Morning Jacket during the tailgate! Bear Down!
QuoteKerry's not on Bush's back. He's got vitually no shot at winning this election. The dude is a dud. You hardly heard from him for months after the primary. Even the papers were wondering what the hell this goof was doing. Anyone know a bookie taking bets? Bet the farm on W!
Chuckle chuckle chuckle.
QuoteChuckle chuckle chuckle.
Wham! Splash! Smack! Pew! Ouch!
Pow! Ew! Doh! Scrumble!
Touch Down!
good work John!
hey, I try my best! ;)
Okay here's another funny one.
Once and a while, a smile can make your day.
http://www.flowgo.com/funpages/view.cfm/6019
good one lfish!
I think this thread will now disappear into the chronicles of history.
Thank God for small favors. All apologies for the hate.
Now, let's smooch in the corner and make up.
zoinks :o
Final Results:
Kerry/Edwards 60.00%
Nader/Camejo 20.00%
Bush/Cheney 13.33%
Willie 6.67%
*15 voters reporting
*2 voters undecided
*Favorable mention: Kucenich
Breakdown-Analysis:
Kerry/Edwards 60.00%
antoniostrohs sr Kentucky
conaway sr Kentucky
kymoose jr Kentucky
tundra sr Kentucky
dthomas (plus wife & daughter) sr California
Elizanne33 jr California
lfish (if eligible) sr Belgium
Nader/Camejo 20.00%
Drunkre sr Alabama
The_Link sr Mass
Jbreedy jr Georgia
Bush/Cheney 13.33%
katkillad sr Ohio
DJustin g NA
Willie 6.67%
havibulin sr Illinois
Undecided but NOT Kerry
mmjfanatic sr Mass
lyricjunkie sr NA
Thanks for the responses & have a healthy 2005!!
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Someone should do this, again... I'm predicting 98% support Obama.