The coaches poll came out today...the season is upon us!!!
1. North Carolina (31) 0-0 775
2. Connecticut 0-0 707
3. Louisville 0-0 694
4. UCLA 0-0 650
5. Duke 0-0 578
6. Pittsburgh 0-0 576
7. Michigan State 0-0 572
8. Texas 0-0 538
9. Notre Dame 0-0 525
10. Purdue 0-0 465
11. Gonzaga 0-0 437
12. Memphis 0-0 425
13. Tennessee 0-0 408
14. Oklahoma 0-0 387
15. Arizona State 0-0 304
16. Miami (FL) 0-0 233
17. Marquette 0-0 219
18. Georgetown 0-0 175
19. Florida 0-0 161
20. Davidson 0-0 158
21. USC 0-0 153
21. Wisconsin 0-0 153
23. Kansas 0-0 130
24. Wake Forest 0-0 129
25. Villanova 0-0 122
Others Receiving Votes
UNLV 60, Saint Mary's 59, Ohio State 54, Baylor 47, Xavier 27, Syracuse 23, Texas A&M 19, LSU 19, Arizona 18, Virginia Tech 15, Brigham Young 13, West Virginia 10, Washington 8, Siena 8, Kentucky 7, Vanderbilt 7, Oklahoma State 4, Clemson 2, Washington State 1.
Eventual champion Kansas knocked off North Carolina in the semifinals of last year's NCAA tournament. But the Tar Heels are the big favorite heading into this season.
North Carolina received all 31 first-place votes as the unanimous No. 1 in the preseason ESPN/USA Today coaches' poll, which was released Thursday. After losing a big chunk of its roster, Kansas debuts at No. 23.
Since ESPN began participating in the coaches' poll in 1997-98, the Tar Heels are the first unanimous preseason No. 1.
The other two Final Four teams from a year ago earned solid rankings -- UCLA coming in at No. 4, and second-place finisher Memphis landing at No. 12.
Connecticut and Louisville are No. 2 and No. 3, respectively, as the Big East set a record with seven teams among the preseason Top 25. The top 10 is rounded out with Duke at No. 5; Pittsburgh, No. 6; Michigan State, No. 7; Texas, No. 8; Notre Dame, No. 9; and Purdue, No. 10.
Duke is the only school that has been ranked by the coaches since the 1997-98 season.
UNC's hopes skyrocketed when player of the year Tyler Hansbrough decided to return for his senior season. He'll get help from guard Ty Lawson and shooter Wayne Ellington.
The Jayhawks saw three players leave early for the NBA draft. Darrell Arthur and Brandon Rush went in the first round, while Mario Chalmers was selected in the second round. Memphis' hopes of returning to the title game were hurt when Derrick Rose declared for the draft and went No. 1 to the Chicago Bulls.
Yep. They say North Carolina is a MONSTER....
I would assume that we can expect several months of this.
Wait... this thread isn't about the election? I think I'll stay in here a while.
Go Buckeyes! Boilermakers! Cards! Musketeers! and RedHawks!
yeah, that's right. I've got a lot of teams
WOW! :o They've got us a #14. Blake Griffin hype. Not sure if we are really that good. But I'm not the biggest basketball nut either. I do like Coach Capel, I think he's got us going in the right direction, just wondering if he is going to use us as a stepping stone job. Greggg, you like your chances of carrying that #1 ranking all year long. Don't really think we have a dog in the fight to win it all, so I'll say it'll be a shame if Hansborough doesn't win a title while he is there :-/
Lets Go Huskies!!
the tandem of AJ Price and Hasheem Thabeet will be scary.
Ole Miss just might suprise some people this year
Let's Go Orange!
I went to PSU but follow PITT since Im from there, but well, they lost their only 3pt shooter for the most part
And they always get upset in the tourney
Im surprised Pitt is ranked in the Top 10
Wow. VMI beat Kentucky.
I'm heading to Chapel Hill on Tuesday to watch the Carolina/Kentucky game, and at this point, it's looking like a blowout.
Here's my two cents...go MSU. We're deep and much more athletic this year although a bit younger. Izzo is going to be able to run and press much like the Mateen Cleaves years which should be fun. I relish the opportunity to play UNC later in the year after our younger guys have some mileage in. I think Izzo coaches circles around Roy Williams...but that's just me.
Carolina plays Notre Dame tonight...#1 vs. #8. The winner gets the Maui Invitational trophy. Exciting!
Feel free to chime in. Anyone? Anyone at all?
And, tower, only a little over a week until the Ford Field matchup.
QuoteCarolina plays Notre Dame tonight...#1 vs. #8. The winner gets the Maui Invitational trophy. Exciting!
Feel free to chime in. Anyone? Anyone at all?
And, tower, only a little over a week until the Ford Field matchup.
I get a feeling this will be a special NCAA season. I think there
is a lot of great talent and Duke (whom I don't like) looks fully
loaded to go after Carolina in the ACC. I have been loving these early season marquee match ups (Vanderbilt-Illinois/Syracuse-Florida/NC-Kentucky/Michigan-UCLA/Duke-Montana) and think this season is going to be totallly awesome (baby).
We'll see what the Rebels will do in the SEC. I love our point guard Chris Warren but we have 12 Freshmen/Sophmores on the team. We play Louisville on Dec. 18th to see just how good we are. But it's another down year in the SEC (no teams in the Top 10) so conference play is our ticket to the dance in March
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Well see what UNC (with no Hansbrough) does tonight vs. ND and Harangody, but that unanimous #1 wasnt a coincidence. I cant remember going into a year where all the other top teams lost more than 1 key player, and the team considered the best going into the tourney by many, had them all back the next year.
Im sure a few other teams will have separated themselves come March, but that UNC team is ridiculously good, and balanced as well
Louisville is going to be good but I think #3 is a little high right now. Pitino's teams always play better later in the season. This season is going to go like the last three: ranked to high to start, beat a bunch of scrubs, lose to real competition, get forgotten, get better, make a late season run. Mark my words...
I think Louisville will be in the Final Four. Just judging from last year's returning roster PLUS Samardo Samuel, this is a team that will be at the top for most of the year.
...btw, Hansbrough scored 34 points last night... :o
QuoteI think Louisville will be in the Final Four. Just judging from last year's returning roster PLUS Samardo Samuel, this is a team that will be at the top for most of the year.
...btw, Hansbrough scored 34 points last night... :o
who now?
http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/players/playerpage/1646666
This guy. An incoming Freshmen for Louisville. He's damn good.
No, I know. I was trying to crack wise on your boy Hansbrough. Nevermind. I agree that UofL probably will be in the Final Four so maybe the preseason ranking makes sense, they just get on my nerves.
EDIT: Imagine if Derrick Caracter hadn't jumped ship!
QuoteNo, I know. I was trying to crack wise on your boy Hansbrough. Nevermind. I agree that UofL probably will be in the Final Four so maybe the preseason ranking makes sense, they just get on my nerves.
EDIT: Imagine if Derrick Caracter hadn't jumped ship!
Ah, gotcha. Sorry for confusion.
Well my Spartans were certainly humbled last night...ugh. Combination of having a starter out, having another starter in foul trouble all game and having a bunch of youngsters. Terrible from the FT line, 12/27...ouch! No defense, not enough offense...well there ya go. Izzo has his work cut out for him.
That being said, I'm still looking forward to the UNC game if we're at full strength. We may struggle mightily partyly due to our youth and inexperience but should be interesting to watch. I would say our guys will be up for that game, didn't look like they were last night...Maryland definitely was. Plus they were ridiculous from the threes, 9/19 I think.
I think Louisville will go as far as T-will will allow them to go. I think it's an understatement to note that he's not the most cerebral player. He can shoot them right out of a game but he's obviously crazy athletic. They'll miss David Padgett badly just from a leadership and bball IQ perspective!
QuoteQuoteNo, I know. I was trying to crack wise on your boy Hansbrough. Nevermind. I agree that UofL probably will be in the Final Four so maybe the preseason ranking makes sense, they just get on my nerves.
EDIT: Imagine if Derrick Caracter hadn't jumped ship!
Ah, gotcha. Sorry for confusion.
I have trouble seeing that you guys have even a chance of losing a game this year. Typical Maryland, beat MSU, get rolled by Gonzaga and Georgetown. Gonzaga won that tourney, but I think Tenn. is a final four team by the end of the year.
Well, UofL won't be number three again...
until the end of the season.
I called them going down early but I didn't think WKU was going to do it.
QuoteQuoteQuoteNo, I know. I was trying to crack wise on your boy Hansbrough. Nevermind. I agree that UofL probably will be in the Final Four so maybe the preseason ranking makes sense, they just get on my nerves.
EDIT: Imagine if Derrick Caracter hadn't jumped ship!
Ah, gotcha. Sorry for confusion.
I have trouble seeing that you guys have even a chance of losing a game this year. Typical Maryland, beat MSU, get rolled by Gonzaga and Georgetown. Gonzaga won that tourney, but I think Tenn. is a final four team by the end of the year.
Now you know how I felt when Maryland beat us last year and then went on to lose by like 20 points to Virginia Tech 2 days later.
GGG,
Tomorrow's our big day in Detroit...any predictions? Not sure if our senior center, Suton, is going to play (sprained knee).
Should be an entertaining game as both teams want to run! We've been so up and down already this year but I truly think we have the tools to play with UNC...just a question of which MSU team shows up. We don't seem to have any middle ground, we either look fantastic or just utterly ridiculous.
If they call the fouls tight on Hansbrough we're in trouble...AND we're going to have to shoot better from the foul line than we have. We were something like 12/27 in the Maryland game, that's just silly.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to it. MSU has a really young group that is still trying to find an identity. I won't be overly concerned with a loss at this point, March is when it counts and when Izzo gets his teams peaking, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a close game either way.
loving these early season match-ups ACC vs. Big 10
Purdue hosts Duke tonight
Michigan St hosts the Tar Heels tomorrow night
Quoteloving these early season match-ups ACC vs. Big 10
Purdue hosts Duke tonight
Michigan St hosts the Tar Heels tomorrow night
The ACC is 9 - 0 overall in these challenges and 56 - 31 in total. Can we finally end this thing and get some real competition like the ACC / Sun Belt Challenge?
QuoteQuoteloving these early season match-ups ACC vs. Big 10
Purdue hosts Duke tonight
Michigan St hosts the Tar Heels tomorrow night
The ACC is 9 - 0 overall in these challenges and 56 - 31 in total. Can we finally end this thing and get some real competition like the ACC / Sun Belt Challenge?
Go Big TEN!!! I like Duke but I like my boilermakers better. Purdue's got a good team this year, should be a good game.
btw, I would also like to do away with this tournament so I can at least pretend like the big ten is better than the ACC rather than removing all doubt at the beginning of the season.
QuoteGGG,
Tomorrow's our big day in Detroit...any predictions? Not sure if our senior center, Suton, is going to play (sprained knee).
Should be an entertaining game as both teams want to run! We've been so up and down already this year but I truly think we have the tools to play with UNC...just a question of which MSU team shows up. We don't seem to have any middle ground, we either look fantastic or just utterly ridiculous.
If they call the fouls tight on Hansbrough we're in trouble...AND we're going to have to shoot better from the foul line than we have. We were something like 12/27 in the Maryland game, that's just silly.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to it. MSU has a really young group that is still trying to find an identity. I won't be overly concerned with a loss at this point, March is when it counts and when Izzo gets his teams peaking, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a close game either way.
It appears Suton WILL be out, but Hansbrough is questionable as well...
I remember talking about this with you when it was announced months ago, and I'm psyched the day is finally here. Ford Field. 70,000 people. #1 vs. #11.
The Spartans have been playing way better since the Maryland loss and I think this will be a tough game for the Heels, especially since it will be in a hostile environment.
Final Score:
UNC 85
MSU 78
well, purdue went down but OSU represented and the conferences are actually even at 3-3 right now.
This just in, the North Carolina Foot Clan is good
QuoteQuoteGGG,
Tomorrow's our big day in Detroit...any predictions? Not sure if our senior center, Suton, is going to play (sprained knee).
Should be an entertaining game as both teams want to run! We've been so up and down already this year but I truly think we have the tools to play with UNC...just a question of which MSU team shows up. We don't seem to have any middle ground, we either look fantastic or just utterly ridiculous.
If they call the fouls tight on Hansbrough we're in trouble...AND we're going to have to shoot better from the foul line than we have. We were something like 12/27 in the Maryland game, that's just silly.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to it. MSU has a really young group that is still trying to find an identity. I won't be overly concerned with a loss at this point, March is when it counts and when Izzo gets his teams peaking, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a close game either way.
It appears Suton WILL be out, but Hansbrough is questionable as well...
I remember talking about this with you when it was announced months ago, and I'm psyched the day is finally here. Ford Field. 70,000 people. #1 vs. #11.
The Spartans have been playing way better since the Maryland loss and I think this will be a tough game for the Heels, especially since it will be in a hostile environment.
Final Score:
UNC 85
MSU 78
Well that was ugly...whew. UNC played great basketball, at least offensively. I still don't think they play defense well enough to win the National Championship but they can definitely score and proved that tonight. Still I saw a lot of things to build on and look forward to March with this Spartan team.
As for the ACC/Big Ten Challenge, I don't really care one way or another but the ACC is always better at this time of the year. Duke especially is as good as they will be at the beginning of the year, they don't get much better. The Big Ten teams tend to improve drastically over the season and its a matter of catching up for some reason. If this Challenge were played in February I suspect we'd see a much different result. But frankly I don't give a damn.
I think that UNC should rest their starters for the remainder of the season. I don't know if anyone's going to be able to compete with these guys.
QuoteLet's Go Orange!
yes, this.
everyone else can suck it. :P
QuoteI think that UNC should rest their starters for the remainder of the season. I don't know if anyone's going to be able to compete with these guys.
:)
I loved what I saw. Granted, MSU looked tired, but I don't think they would've won even if they were at 200%.
I'm enjoying this season thus far...
I actually think UNC is somewhat beatable. It'll take a great game from a very good team but they're out there.
In the first half it was a statistical tie except for the score and turnovers. UNC had 5 turnovers, MSU 11. If you take the 6 turnovers off for MSU and convert them into 2 pts each, the halftime score is 53-51. I know that's a big if but UNC will get beat by someone who shoots very well while they're not, which is going to happen. They're not going to shoot 51% every game, they were unconscious last night, hitting some deeeeeep threes. Impressive stuff.
We laid a huge egg in the second half...7/35 from the field. Couldn't beat a high school team with those numbers.
As for Vitale's claim, they couldn't beat an NBA team on their best night. He's just ridiculous and I dislike him more every time I hear him.
quit being a diaper dandy and show Dickie V some love, bayyyyby!!
I agree that we won't go undefeated because, well, it's just too hard in this day and age. Someone will take advantage of a few mistakes or have a lights out shooting night and we will lose. HOPEFULLY it won't happen during March/April Madness, but you never know.
As for beating an NBA team, that wouldn't happen. Dickie V is delusional.
QuoteI actually think UNC is somewhat beatable. It'll take a great game from a very good team but they're out there.
In the first half it was a statistical tie except for the score and turnovers. UNC had 5 turnovers, MSU 11. If you take the 6 turnovers off for MSU and convert them into 2 pts each, the halftime score is 53-51. I know that's a big if but UNC will get beat by someone who shoots very well while they're not, which is going to happen. They're not going to shoot 51% every game, they were unconscious last night, hitting some deeeeeep threes. Impressive stuff.
We laid a huge egg in the second half...7/35 from the field. Couldn't beat a high school team with those numbers.
As for Vitale's claim, they couldn't beat an NBA team on their best night. He's just ridiculous and I dislike him more every time I hear him.
Well if they would have made ten less lay-ups they would have scored 20 less points and MSU would be 20 points closer. And if the UNC bench wasn't 12 deep and the MSU bench was 12 deeper, the MSU bench would have 12 better players than they do now. And if UNC had made 3 less three-pointers and MSU had made 3 more three-pointers, the net result would have been 18 in favor of MSU....
That was a rout - UNC was cruising 10 minutes into the game. MSU has now lost to a great ACC team and a mid to low-end ACC team (my Terps). They are an elite Big Ten team - if they played in the ACC, they would finish in the middle. And spare me this Big Ten improves as the season goes on thing. They use this justification to get more teams in the tourney than the ACC almost every year. (The numbers bear this out; please don't make me hunt them down again - I had this argument with AMD last year and the numbers will surprise you).
So congrats on coming close. Ten years. Ten losses.
And UNC will not go undefeated; it's just too damn hard. Maryland beat them on a hot night last year and someone in the ACC will do it again this year. But I bet they get really close though. They ain't Worthy, Perkins, Jordan - but I don't know that I've ever seen a deeper ACC team in my 30 plus years of watching ACC basketball.
QuoteQuoteI actually think UNC is somewhat beatable. It'll take a great game from a very good team but they're out there.
In the first half it was a statistical tie except for the score and turnovers. UNC had 5 turnovers, MSU 11. If you take the 6 turnovers off for MSU and convert them into 2 pts each, the halftime score is 53-51. I know that's a big if but UNC will get beat by someone who shoots very well while they're not, which is going to happen. They're not going to shoot 51% every game, they were unconscious last night, hitting some deeeeeep threes. Impressive stuff.
We laid a huge egg in the second half...7/35 from the field. Couldn't beat a high school team with those numbers.
As for Vitale's claim, they couldn't beat an NBA team on their best night. He's just ridiculous and I dislike him more every time I hear him.
Well if they would have made ten less lay-ups they would have scored 20 less points and MSU would be 20 points closer. And if the UNC bench wasn't 12 deep and the MSU bench was 12 deeper, the MSU bench would have 12 better players than they do now. And if UNC had made 3 less three-pointers and MSU had made 3 more three-pointers, the net result would have been 18 in favor of MSU....
That was a rout - UNC was cruising 10 minutes into the game. MSU has now lost to a great ACC team and a mid to low-end ACC team (my Terps). They are an elite Big Ten team - if they played in the ACC, they would finish in the middle. And spare me this Big Ten improves as the season goes on thing. They use this justification to get more teams in the tourney than the ACC almost every year. (The numbers bear this out; please don't make me hunt them down again - I had this argument with AMD last year and the numbers will surprise you).
So congrats on coming close. Ten years. Ten losses.
And UNC will not go undefeated; it's just too damn hard. Maryland beat them on a hot night last year and someone in the ACC will do it again this year. But I bet they get really close though. They ain't Worthy, Perkins, Jordan - but I don't know that I've ever seen a deeper ACC team in my 30 plus years of watching ACC basketball.
Oh, it was a rout, no doubt. Not 10 mins into it but 2nd half for sure. I was throwing those turnover numbers out there not to say that we were going to win the game but to show that UNC is beatable. Had MSU not turned the ball over so many times in the first half its a close game at half, if a team puts two of those halves together it's a ballgame.
MSU definitely improves as the year progresses. Not all Big Ten teams do but MSU absolutely does. I'd say Purdue will as well. Wisconsin probably...
It's not about wining in December, it's about winning in March and Izzo's team do that and I think this MSU team has a very good chance to do that. I really could care less about the ACC/Big Ten Challenge. I was actually pulling for Wisconsin to get beat, damn weasels. We might finish in the middle of the ACC, might even finish 3 or 4 in the Big Ten but when the NCAA tournament starts that's when we tend to play our best ball.
UNC is a great team and the odds on favorite, no doubt. I've always like Gary Williams and what he gets out of his kids, I think he's a great coach, one of the best in the ACC, just not the best recruiter. I still don't think Duke gets much better over the year and honestly, UNC can't get much better.
Is this guy a superstar or what?
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QuoteIs this guy a superstar or what?
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40+ points for a third time...and it's only
December.
He needs to get player of the year.
Yes, even ahead of Tyler H.
QuoteQuoteIs this guy a superstar or what?
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40+ points for a third time...and it's only December.
He needs to get player of the year.
Yes, even ahead of Tyler H.
GGG, you speak the truth...straight balla. Not that Davidson is bad but think about putting him on a "good" team with other guys that can score. Without the defense keying on him he could score triple digits, 44 with a bunch of role players and the defense focused on him is truly impressive.
Boston College stuns No. 1 North Carolina 85-78
ggg? :o
Pitt will be #1 now and they looked pretty good yesterday against Gtown.
I know, I know.
I knew this team wouldn't go undefeated...but to lose like this at home to BC is unacceptable.
I am truly disappointed.
But, I suppose it's good to get a loss out of the way sooner rather than later. If we played defense the way we did tonight again, I'm 100% sure we can expect a few more of these...
:-/
I think this is the 1st time Pitt has actually had a legit team that can make it to the final 4, and maybe further this year. For about the last decade, theyve had solid players, but no one who could create offense by themself. They also relied on D - which they still do pretty much - but definitely have the most offensive firepower and depth theyve had since theyve been an annual Big East premier team.
Dejaun Blair is easily the best big man theyve had since Howland was there, and is probably a Top 5 big man in the NCAA. Sam Young is the only true scorer theyve had in the last decade, the most athletic guy theyve had outside of maybe Julius Page, and IMO the best player theyve had period. Levance Fields is not as good of a scorer as Krauser was, but I think hes probably the most complete PG out of himself, Krauser, and Brandin Knight
Unlike their #3 or #4 seed tourney teams of what seems like has been about the last 7 years, I think this is the 1st team theyve had that is built to go far in the tourney, and would be especially hard to upset the first few rounds.
QuoteI think this is the 1st time Pitt has actually had a legit team that can make it to the final 4, and maybe further this year. For about the last decade, theyve had solid players, but no one who could create offense by themself. They also relied on D - which they still do pretty much - but definitely have the most offensive firepower and depth theyve had since theyve been an annual Big East premier team.
Dejaun Blair is easily the best big man theyve had since Howland was there, and is probably a Top 5 big man in the NCAA. Sam Young is the only true scorer theyve had in the last decade, the most athletic guy theyve had outside of maybe Julius Page, and IMO the best player theyve had period. Levance Fields is not as good of a scorer as Krauser was, but I think hes probably the most complete PG out of himself, Krauser, and Brandin Knight
Unlike their #3 or #4 seed tourney teams of what seems like has been about the last 7 years, I think this is the 1st team theyve had that is built to go far in the tourney, and would be especially hard to upset the first few rounds.
Now if only you could have Charles Smith ;)
My alma mater is 13-0!
They beat KY Wesleyan, who is the best of our conference/division (I-AA).
Go Knights!
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HUGE game for #3 Carolina vs. #4 Wake tomorrow...I'm scared. :(
This is not the start to the season that I had hoped for... >:(
QuoteHUGE game for #3 Carolina vs. #4 Wake tomorrow...I'm scared. :(
too much hype messing with their heads?
I can only assume something is going on. Media hype can be a bitch. If you watched the game last night, you also noticed some arguing going on between Deon Thompson and Danny Green. The players NEVER mouthed off last year...
I dunno. I don't really know what's going on. Roy needs to fix this ASAP.
Maybe the poon at UNC isnt quite as good in 2009
I like watching Terrence Williams of Louisville
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I was getting ready to post about the cards, tracy. I'm really like their team. The combination of Samardo Samuels and Earl Clark on the front line, opens it up for T-Wil and all our outside shooters. 3-0 in the Big East including two straight victories over ranked opponents. Watch out, by tournament time, nobody's gonna want to face these guys.
BTW, the Big East appears to be a Beast this year.
YAY, college basketball, where champions aren't decided by corporate interests!
P.S. Bellarmine is 14-0 with three straight victories against ranked opponents! :D
The best thing an opponent of UL can see is for T-will to hit his first three...he's a great athlete but not a great shooter (shhh, its a secret, don't tell him.)
If UL is hitting threes they're tough, if not it's a long night for them.
People are catching up to UNC...very good team but as good at the beginning as they are at the end. Plus as I said earlier, they don't play great D, they are similar to Duke in that they play the passing lanes on the first pass but not great team defense.
QuoteThe best thing an opponent of UL can see is for T-will to hit his first three...he's a great athlete but not a great shooter (shhh, its a secret, don't tell him.)
If UL is hitting threes they're tough, if not it's a long night for them.
People are catching up to UNC...very good team but as good at the beginning as they are at the end. Plus as I said earlier, they don't play great D, they are similar to Duke in that they play the passing lanes on the first pass but not great team defense.
UL looked good last night against ND. I agree with you about T-Will's jumpshot, but he does get on a streak now and then. What about E5's dunk over Harangody? BTW, I won't tell T-Will Either.
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If UL is hitting threes they're tough, if not it's a long night for them.
I would have said the same thing in years' past, and have in fact, but this year is different. With Samardo Samuels and Earl Clark on the baseline and T-Will slashing through the lane, we don't need to rely on the 3-ball anymore. That's why I think this team is so dangerous. At one point last night we were something like 3 for 21 from three point range and still had a lead against a ranked opponent who was shooting lights out from three. Things are different this year in da ville, that's what I was trying to point out in my first post.
Earl's dunk was beautiful, btw.
Oh, I agree that UL has the ability to play that way and should, but it's not Pitino's style and he doesn't seem to adapt. If you're 3 of 21 you should probably stop shooting three's eh?
Live by the three, die by the three is Pitino ball.
QuoteOh, I agree that UL has the ability to play that way and should, but it's not Pitino's style and he doesn't seem to adapt. If you're 3 of 21 you should probably stop shooting three's eh?
Live by the three, die by the three is Pitino ball.
Well, my point is that we shot poorly from three and still won, so the "die by the three" part of your theory is flawed.
And I don't agree that you should stop shooting three just you're cold the first part of the game. If you have a good three point shooter open from three, you shoot it regardless. Or maybe I've been watching UofL basketball too long.
Pitino ball is also about tough defense pressure and outlasting your opponent. We didn't hit the three last night, but we did have a lot of defensive pressure and we did outlast our opponent.
He's definitely been successful...just not as successful as I think he could be. They barely beat ND and UK and Villanova when they really should have beat the hell out of them. I think they would have if they'd have taken less threes.
Then again maybe they did against ND, Harangody was in foul trouble. I didn't watch much of the game.
I'm not a UL hater although it must sound like it. Actually I just think Pitino gets more credit than he deserves and it irritates me how much he talks like a politician.
Sorry dude, but you sound like a UofL hater to me. So far you think Pitino gets too much credit, talks too much like a politician too much for you, relies too much on the three and think that they should have taken less threes against ND despite the fact that they won the game and you admit you didn't watch it. Oh, and something about T-Will...
You can't really disagree with Pitino's resume. I'm going on record to say UofL will make it to the Final 4 this year unless they see UNC in the elite 8.
I'm going on record that if UL meets UNC in the tournament they'll get past UNC.
My point is that I think Pitino has become lazy and somewhat one-dimensional as a coach. Very good but could be so much better.
I've never considered Pitino as a "live by the 3 coach" and I don't think you can coach NCAA basketball at such a highly visible school as Lousiville and be lazy.
from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Pitino
"Pitino is considered by many to be one of the first coaches to promote fully taking advantage of the 3-point shot, first adopted by the NCAA in 1987. By exploiting the 3-point shot, his teams at Kentucky in the early 1990s were known as Pitino's Bombinos, as a significant portion of the offensive points came from the 3-point shot. Even now, Pitino's teams are known for the 3-point threat and all of his teams rank towards the top in 3-point attempts per season."
Don't get me wrong, I think he's good but has been better and lazy is a relative term.
Quotefrom:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Pitino
"Pitino is considered by many to be one of the first coaches to promote fully taking advantage of the 3-point shot, first adopted by the NCAA in 1987. By exploiting the 3-point shot, his teams at Kentucky in the early 1990s were known as Pitino's Bombinos, as a significant portion of the offensive points came from the 3-point shot. Even now, Pitino's teams are known for the 3-point threat and all of his teams rank towards the top in 3-point attempts per season."
Don't get me wrong, I think he's good but has been better and lazy is a relative term.
still don't consider him a "live by the 3" coach, sorry. They take a lot of 3's (35th in the nation in attempts) but I think the full court press D and fast break makes his teams go.
They shoot 33% from 3 point land (around 190th in the nation) and as a result are 12-3. To say he "lives by the 3", considering how poorly they shoot 3's, sort of goes against their 12-3 record, don't you think? I mean, if you "live by the 3" and are 33% for the season, I think they'd be like 9-6. Perhaps he's not a 1 dimensional coach.
But the last three were barely wins...could so easily be 9-6. Think how good they could be if they took less threes and more high % shots.
QuoteBut the last three were barely wins...could so easily be 9-6. Think how good they could be if they took less threes and more high % shots.
and Harvard actually beat Boston College who beat North Carolina...
Louisville is 12-3 and they don't shoot well from 3. That's not "living and dying" from the 3 point line, that's called playing good all around basketball and Pitino gets credit. sorry (again).
QuoteBut the last three were barely wins...could so easily be 9-6. Think how good they could be if they took less threes and more high % shots.
3-0 in the Big East... That says a lot more than speculation ever could.
Uhh did Illinois blow it against Mich. St. I was just getting ready to talk smack about how underrated they are. Had trouble creating good shots down the stretch.
Pitt are a bunch of bums
I knew theyd lose tonight
QuoteUhh did Illinois blow it against Mich. St. I was just getting ready to talk smack about how underrated they are. Had trouble creating good shots down the stretch.
Talk about blowing it...how about the refs in that game. They blew the shot clock violation call and then gave it back to Illinois to can a three...WTF! Of course MSU didn't help with 12 turnovers in 14 trips in the first half...brain palsy!
Good win for UL...looks like from the boxscore that they scored a little more in the paint.
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Good win for UL...looks like from the boxscore that they scored a little more in the paint.
(6-16 from 3 point land)
not too bad for a 1 dimensional team with a lazy coach...
6-16 isn't all that great, fairly average...my point is that Pitino's offensive theory is to take the 3 if you're open. Doesn't matter if you're a great 3 shooter or not. I think you give the green light to 3 shooters if they're good shooters but use all your tools and use your post players. They do win a lot of games but I think they could win more games, by a larger margin and not lose ones they shouldn't. The loss to WKU (shouldn't have lost to that team) UL shot 6 for 30 from three land.
Of that game Pitino said:
"Terrence Williams had 19 points and Earl Clark added 11 points and 11 rebounds for Louisville, which shot just 27 percent from the field and made just six of 30 3-pointers. Louisville's guards went a combined 3-of-23. They were open shots, the ball didn't go down," Pitino said. "We didn't offensive rebound with any great authority. It was a double-edge sword."
Again, I think Pitino is a good coach, clearly his record shows that but I don't think he's as good as he was when he was at UK. He's a gambler and seems to have a hard time switching gears when the outside shots aren't falling.
Quote6-16 isn't all that great, fairly average...my point is that Pitino's offensive theory is to take the 3 if you're open. Doesn't matter if you're a great 3 shooter or not. I think you give the green light to 3 shooters if they're good shooters but use all your tools and use your post players. They do win a lot of games but I think they could win more games, by a larger margin and not lose ones they shouldn't. The loss to WKU (shouldn't have lost to that team) UL shot 6 for 30 from three land.
Of that game Pitino said:
"Terrence Williams had 19 points and Earl Clark added 11 points and 11 rebounds for Louisville, which shot just 27 percent from the field and made just six of 30 3-pointers. Louisville's guards went a combined 3-of-23. They were open shots, the ball didn't go down," Pitino said. "We didn't offensive rebound with any great authority. It was a double-edge sword."
Again, I think Pitino is a good coach, clearly his record shows that but I don't think he's as good as he was when he was at UK. He's a gambler and seems to have a hard time switching gears when the outside shots aren't falling.
I understand your point. What I don't understand is how you have the audacity to say Pitino is lazy or not living up to his potential as a coach. His track record this year and for the past few decades shows that he is a great, hall-of-fame coach.
To nick pick and say he could be better is just an excuse to hate on somebody. The facts say Pitino's a great coach, Tower says he could do better. Well, after you take two different teams to the final four (Pitino's taken 3), we'll talk.
His team this season does NOT rely on the three no matter how much you insist they do (while admitting you don't watch the games, just check the box scores). They are 4-0 in the Big East and they beat the #1, #13, and #17 teams in the country this week.
And your statement about Pitino giving the green light to anybody is bs, too. T-Will was 3-4 from 3 point range last night, btw.
I'm not going to say they're not going to lose another game this year, but they have just as good of a chance as anybody to win it all come tournament time. And if you think UofL is that good
despite Pitino, you're delusional.
And I'm not going to claim Pitino is perfect, but no man is perfect. I could nick pick anyone's resume and find a flaw, but I wouldn't do that to a hall of fame coach and harp on it because that would make me a hater.
I'm saying "lazy" in comparison to his UK days. And yes T-Will will have good shooting days but not as many as bad ones.
I do watch some of the games, not all and my assertion on his philosophy is based on his career. I think they're very good and he's definitely in the upper echelon of coaches, you're right and his record shows that. I guess it's just a matter of difference in philosophy. I'm obviously a huge fan of my alma mater and Coach Izzo at MSU. Vastly different in recruiting, defense and offensive philosophy. Izzo has been hugely successful in his own right. That being said, there are areas in which I think he could improve.
Maybe we should discuss this over a few Clipper City Heavy Seas and some wings. I'm sure we could find more common ground :)
ya buddy, no hard feelings. The next beer's on me!
Vintage Heels last night...
And #1 Wake goes down too! I guess this means dook (ugh) will be the new #1...barring a loss on Saturday.
UofL walked all over Rutgers last night. At one point Rutgers didn't score a single point for 10 minutes! It must have been all the three pointers their lazy coach was telling them to take. ;)
I mean, Louisville played great D last night. Vintage Pitino!
QuoteUofL walked all over Rutgers last night. At one point Rutgers didn't score a single point for 10 minutes! It must have been all the three pointers their lazy coach was telling them to take. ;)
I mean, Louisville played great D last night. Vintage Pitino!
4-11 from 3 point land...not living by the 3
5-0 in the Big East
14-3 overall
#9 in the nation
they are currently 180th in the nation in 3 point shooting %....again, NOT living by the 3
(final answer)
The good thing about the Cards is that they are winning while still not playing very well. They miss easy shots and take some horrendous ones (T-Will's 3 from 5 ft. out for example) but they still win. They are outhustling every team they play and they have the best defense in the country right now. With a little fine tuning this team is ready to go all the way me thinks...
It doesn't matter that they aren't hitting their stride from outside the arc. The only time they really attempt threes is when Knowles, McGee, or Smith are in. Either way when you are getting 40 more shots than the other time like they did today against Syracuse then you are allowed to miss more. In the end the only stat that matters is the final score, and they are doing pretty well in that respect.
Hate to say it, but they are finally playing vintage Pitino ball. They talked about how they have more 8-0 runs this year than any other team.
Perhaps, they are winning because they aren't taking so many threes? Maybe Pitino reads this board, lol! Regardless, nice stretch of W's for UL.
QuotePerhaps, they are winning because they aren't taking so many threes? Maybe Pitino reads this board, lol! Regardless, nice stretch of W's for UL.
Nope, wrong again. They took 31 threes last night and still managed to beat the eighth ranked team in the country. Maybe you just don't know what you're talking about.
Was referring to the post by Tracy...
"4-11 from 3 point land...not living by the 3"
8 of 31, wow! Impressive win...you might be right, then again I'll never admit it.
QuoteQuotePerhaps, they are winning because they aren't taking so many threes? Maybe Pitino reads this board, lol! Regardless, nice stretch of W's for UL.
Nope, wrong again. They took 31 threes last night and still managed to beat the eighth ranked team in the country. Maybe you just don't know what you're talking about.
coffee on the keyboard, thanks ;D
[size=24]Big Game in the Big East Tonight!![/size]
[size=8]yes, I am yelling[/size]
[size=24]#1 U Conn at #5 Louisville!
pre-March Maddness Maddness!![/size]
Go Cardinals!
Good luck, this should be their toughest test so far! Pitino definitely has them playing well.
Quote[size=24]Big Game in the Big East Tonight!![/size]
[size=8]yes, I am yelling[/size]
[size=24]#1 U Conn at #5 Louisville!
pre-March Maddness Maddness!![/size]
I CAN'T WAIT! (i too am yelling, in italics)
Quote Pitino definitely has them playing well.
Shows what you know! ;)
I don't know what happened to the Cards but after the first ten minutes they just looked overmatched. Hopefully they can learn from this loss and get revenge in March.
QuoteQuote Pitino definitely has them playing well.
Shows what you know! ;)
I don't know what happened to the Cards but after the first ten minutes they just looked overmatched. Hopefully they can learn from this loss and get revenge in March.
Maybe I should have said, "had" them playing well. They didn't finish the Syracuse game well. At least they lost to a #1, my Spartans lost at home to friggin Penn State the other night. College bball is so up an down it's crazy.
QuoteQuote Pitino definitely has them playing well.
Shows what you know! ;)
I don't know what happened to the Cards but after the first ten minutes they just looked overmatched. Hopefully they can learn from this loss and get revenge in March.
they obviously got confused and thought it was a 10 minute game. That's why they watched UConn play for the last 30 minutes.
I think Louisville just had an off night. 8 times out of 10, Hasheem Thabeet doesn't have a monster game like last night and Louisville beats them.
Granted, it was a pretty wide margin of victory, but I still think Louisville and Marquette are the best teams in the BE.
My Terps are awful this year. The Michigan and Michigan State wins were flukes. This is the worst Gary Williams Maryland team and his seat is getting hot (2002 was a long time ago). I loved UNC earlier in the year - but letting my boys score 91 has got to give you pause.
QuoteMy Terps are awful this year. The Michigan and Michigan State wins were flukes. This is the worst Gary Williams Maryland team and his seat is getting hot (2002 was a long time ago). I loved UNC earlier in the year - but letting my boys score 91 has got to give you pause.
Gary Williams has always struck me as sort of an enigma. I think he's a very good coach most of the time but his teams and recruiting seem inconsistent. I read somewhere recently where he and the AD were at serious odds and that he is basically gone. Your point is well taken though, if UNC allows 91 points their defense is suspect which is why I think they're very good but not great and won't win the National Championship. I find it amusing that everyone on TV at the beginning of the year had basically mailed the trophy to UNC and now, well...Dick Vitale is clearly an idiot. I think the championship is wide open and my buddy thinks this might a year for a George Mason type team.
If you haven't seen Devan Downey of South Carolina you need to. Next time the Gamecocks are on make sure you check him out.
(http://media.thestate.com/smedia/2009/02/01/00/26-downeywinsit.lead_art_vertical.prod_affiliate.74.jpg)
QuoteMy Terps are awful this year. The Michigan and Michigan State wins were flukes. This is the worst Gary Williams Maryland team and his seat is getting hot (2002 was a long time ago). I loved UNC earlier in the year - but letting my boys score 91 has got to give you pause.
Defense was pretty terrible last night. You guys got like 8 fast break points in a couple of minutes (thus the Roy timeout where he stared down all of the starters and didn't say a word..damn)
Truth is, Carolina's defense is usually always suspect. We try and outscore opponents rather than guarding the 3 like we should be...grrr...
The dook game is a week from now, and dook is playing some DAMN good ball right now. I'm a little worried. If our D stays like this, there is no way we are going to win a championship.
QuoteQuoteMy Terps are awful this year. The Michigan and Michigan State wins were flukes. This is the worst Gary Williams Maryland team and his seat is getting hot (2002 was a long time ago). I loved UNC earlier in the year - but letting my boys score 91 has got to give you pause.
Defense was pretty terrible last night. You guys got like 8 fast break points in a couple of minutes (thus the Roy timeout where he stared down all of the starters and didn't say a word..damn)
Truth is, Carolina's defense is usually always suspect. We try and outscore opponents rather than guarding the 3 like we should be...grrr...
The dook game is a week from now, and dook is playing some DAMN good ball right now. I'm a little worried. If our D stays like this, there is no way we are going to win a championship.
I think UNC will beat Duke easily, they don't have the inside presence to hang and bang. If they aren't hitting the three it'll be a blowout.
QuoteQuoteQuoteMy Terps are awful this year. The Michigan and Michigan State wins were flukes. This is the worst Gary Williams Maryland team and his seat is getting hot (2002 was a long time ago). I loved UNC earlier in the year - but letting my boys score 91 has got to give you pause.
Defense was pretty terrible last night. You guys got like 8 fast break points in a couple of minutes (thus the Roy timeout where he stared down all of the starters and didn't say a word..damn)
Truth is, Carolina's defense is usually always suspect. We try and outscore opponents rather than guarding the 3 like we should be...grrr...
The dook game is a week from now, and dook is playing some DAMN good ball right now. I'm a little worried. If our D stays like this, there is no way we are going to win a championship.
I think UNC will beat Duke easily, they don't have the inside presence to hang and bang. If they aren't hitting the three it'll be a blowout.
Coach K's teams live and die by the 3...
That sounds familiar.
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The dook game is a week from now, and dook is playing some DAMN good ball right now. I'm a little worried.
Not so worried now after watching Clemson blow Duke out of the gym?
So much for Wake Forest -2 looking like free money
:kicksrock:
Down with the Longhorns! Woo!
QuoteQuote
The dook game is a week from now, and dook is playing some DAMN good ball right now. I'm a little worried.
Not so worried now after watching Clemson blow Duke out of the gym?
I'm a little less anxious now :)
That was a GREAT game to watch...Clemson (the team we beat by 21) absolutely DOMINATED! WoW!
And then Wake gets smacked by a team we beat by 18...
Things are looking up in the ACC for the Heels...at least for today.
QuoteQuoteQuote
The dook game is a week from now, and dook is playing some DAMN good ball right now. I'm a little worried.
Not so worried now after watching Clemson blow Duke out of the gym?
I'm a little less anxious now :)
That was a GREAT game to watch...Clemson (the team we beat by 21) absolutely DOMINATED! WoW!
And then Wake gets smacked by a team we beat by 18...
Things are looking up in the ACC for the Heels...at least for today.
Did I see that Hansbrough is on track to beat the all time ACC scoring record? Wow. That's a Missouri boy for ya! ;)
Speaking of Missouri, how about that game tonight?!?!?!
Buzzer Beater to beat Kansas at the last second!!
I love college basketball.
UNC vs. dook looms...
UNC will shred them I think
Pitt looked damn good again tonight. Blair in foul trouble and out of the game the last 9 minutes, but they extend their lead and win by 15.
QuoteSpeaking of Missouri, how about that game tonight?!?!?!
Buzzer Beater to beat Kansas at the last second!!
I love college basketball.
UNC vs. dook looms...
that Mizzou game was great. Their full court press seems to be a force to be reckoned with.
College b-ball is getting thick, Wednesday should be a good one!
QuoteQuoteSpeaking of Missouri, how about that game tonight?!?!?!
Buzzer Beater to beat Kansas at the last second!!
I love college basketball.
UNC vs. dook looms...
that Mizzou game was great. Their full court press seems to be a force to be reckoned with.
College b-ball is getting thick, Wednesday should be a good one!
Three games on tomorrow I want to see:
Duke v UNC (of course)
Xavier v Dayton
Syracuse v UConn
Tonight's matchup of Marquette v Nova should be a good one, too.
I'm hoping my Spartans put the kabash on Michigan's silly season tonight. UM have had some good wins but all of them outside the Big Ten...Beilein is a good coach but I don't think his style suits the Big Ten, at least that's what his record suggests. If MSU beats UM today it might be a nail in the coffin of their NCAA tourney hopes...that would break my heart.
Yeah, me and my buddy were jumping around like giddy school girls last night after we pulled that game out. The MU KU rivalry is about as big as it gets around here. That was probably the worst shooting game of the year for Mizzou, yet somehow we still pulled it out. I'll take it!
Tommorow is definately going to be a good night in BB. Go Heels, kick them she devils while they are down!
Okay! Great night of hoops coming up in a couple of hours! Who's everyone got?
I like Syracuse to upset UConn: 68-63
And of course the annual grudge match at Cameron Indoor.
Carolina 78
dook 69
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote
The dook game is a week from now, and dook is playing some DAMN good ball right now. I'm a little worried.
Not so worried now after watching Clemson blow Duke out of the gym?
I'm a little less anxious now :)
That was a GREAT game to watch...Clemson (the team we beat by 21) absolutely DOMINATED! WoW!
And then Wake gets smacked by a team we beat by 18...
Things are looking up in the ACC for the Heels...at least for today.
Did I see that Hansbrough is on track to beat the all time ACC scoring record? Wow. That's a Missouri boy for ya! ;)
Hmm...whenever I saw his numbers a week ago when I think he passed some guy and moved into 4th, I thought it looked like Redick had a healthy lead on him.
Although those points can add up quick, so Im not sure. #2 overall is a basic lock though.
QuoteOkay! Great night of hoops coming up in a couple of hours! Who's everyone got?
I like Syracuse to upset UConn: 68-63
And of course the annual grudge match at Cameron Indoor.
Carolina 78
dook 69
I think both Dook and NC are
due to play some of their best ball tonight. My prediction (and it would be this even if Dook was undefeated and NC was winless):
NC- 83
Dook- 81
I hope it will be:
NC- 107
Dook- 43
Redick still has a couple hundred on Hansbrough, but I saw somewhere that if he keeps his 20 ppg average going the rest of the season (1 game in the ACC tourney and at least 2 games in the NCAA's) he'll break it.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote
The dook game is a week from now, and dook is playing some DAMN good ball right now. I'm a little worried.
Not so worried now after watching Clemson blow Duke out of the gym?
I'm a little less anxious now :)
That was a GREAT game to watch...Clemson (the team we beat by 21) absolutely DOMINATED! WoW!
And then Wake gets smacked by a team we beat by 18...
Things are looking up in the ACC for the Heels...at least for today.
Did I see that Hansbrough is on track to beat the all time ACC scoring record? Wow. That's a Missouri boy for ya! ;)
Hmm...whenever I saw his numbers a week ago when I think he passed some guy and moved into 4th, I thought it looked like Redick had a healthy lead on him.
Although those points can add up quick, so Im not sure. #2 overall is a basic lock though.
from a Tar Heel msg board:
Hansbrough: 2587
Redick: 2769
Points Needed: 183 (182 to tie)
Minimum Games Remaining: 9 (7 regular season, 1 ACC tourney, 1 NCAA tourney)
Average Needed: 20.33
All-Time ACC Career Scoring Leaders
1. 2,769 J.J. Redick, Duke
2T. 2,587 Tyler Hansbrough, UNC
2T. 2,587 Dick Hemric, Wake Forest
4. 2,556 Johnny Dawkins, Duke
5. 2,551 Rodney Monroe, NC State
6. 2,516 Bryant Stith, Virginia
7. 2,460 Christian Laettner, Duke
8. 2,323 Mike Gminski, Duke
9. 2,317 Jeff Lamp, Virginia
10. 2,309 David Thompson, NC State
I'll bet they play at least two games in each of the tournys so that puts it all the way down to 16-17 points per game. Without injury, almost a lock.
QuoteRedick still has a couple hundred on Hansbrough, but I saw somewhere that if he keeps his 20 ppg average going the rest of the season (1 game in the ACC tourney and at least 2 games in the NCAA's) he'll break it.
Didnt know they counted NCAA tourney games :-?
Yo Gregg,
You all going to beat Duke tonight? I despise Duke.
QuoteQuoteOkay! Great night of hoops coming up in a couple of hours! Who's everyone got?
I like Syracuse to upset UConn: 68-63
And of course the annual grudge match at Cameron Indoor.
Carolina 78
dook 69
I think both Dook and NC are due to play some of their best ball tonight. My prediction (and it would be this even if Dook was undefeated and NC was winless):
NC- 83
Dook- 81
I hope it will be:
NC- 107
Dook- 43
I like your style, Tracy.
And, yes, Goose. I hope we clobber all of those mo fos.
We don't want anymore of this:
(http://www.catsandbeer.com/uploads/2008/04/brian_zoubek.jpg)
Meh, it was okay
Hansbrough winning all of his games at Cameron is quite remarkable though.
Dayton most likely shot their way into March Madness after getting screwed out of it last year. Xavier didn't have a bad game, but UD was unstoppable!
Too bad about Duke. They just don't have an answer for Hansborough. I'd like to see him matched up against Thabeet from Uconn. I think we'd see why NBA scouts aren't exactly foaming at the mouth for this guy.
Blake Griffin is unstoppable. So is Juan Pattillo.
That is all.
QuoteI'd like to see him matched up against Thabeet from Uconn. I think we'd see why NBA scouts aren't exactly foaming at the mouth for this guy.
you're saying that the NBA isn't foaming at the mouth for Hansborough, right?
Yeah, he (hansborough) doesn't have the size to be this dominant in the pros. No one can dog his game on the college level, but I think Thabeet might give me a glimpse of what he's going to face next year.
QuoteMeh, it was okay
Hansbrough winning all of his games at Cameron is quite remarkable though.
Don't forget Danny Green, Frasor and Ginyard (unfortunately hurt) who have played more than small parts in these wins the last 4 years.
QuoteYeah, he (hansborough) doesn't have the size to be this dominant in the pros. No one can dog his game on the college level, but I think Thabeet might give me a glimpse of what he's going to face next year.
I know how Hansborough feels; my game doesn't translate well once I get off the couch or am joined by another person at my driveway hoop. All alone, with no one around, I am virtually unstoppable!
QuoteBlake Griffin is unstoppable. So is Juan Pattillo.
That is all.
well said at dawn! I hope no one is sleeping on my soonies. Willie Warren is legit. We are deeper than we've ever been since I've been in Norman. Cade Davis will contribute in the tourney mark my words. And we have got to PAY Coach Capel at the end of the year.
Hey Greggg, I would love to see Blake Griffin and Tyler bang in the Final Four. What do you think?
Moreso than Hansbrough, Im interested to see DeJaun Blair's matchup with Thabeet next week and at least the 1 more time they play this season. Youd think he iss big with how dominant he is, but hes only 6'7'', though I think they say he has the wingspan on someone 6'11'' or something.
I think UNC could beat UCONN without relying on Hansbrough, Pitt probably couldnt without a decent game from Blair.
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Hey Greggg, I would love to see Blake Griffin and Tyler bang in the Final Four. What do you think?
Thats 4 G's buddy ;)
Louisville got a beatdown big ugly white man stylee
ASU beat UCLA for the 2nd time again this year too...Maybe its just me but I see them getting upset fairly early this year
The Louisville game just goes to show one thing as far as I'm concerned. Anyone (at least in the top 25 or so) can lose to or beat anyone on any given night and it can be a blowout.
Duke gets hammered, UL gets hammered, MSU got hammered earlier by UNC...this thing is wide open and the championship is just about anyone's to take!
QuoteQuoteBlake Griffin is unstoppable. So is Juan Pattillo.
That is all.
well said at dawn! I hope no one is sleeping on my soonies. Willie Warren is legit. We are deeper than we've ever been since I've been in Norman. Cade Davis will contribute in the tourney mark my words. And we have got to PAY Coach Capel at the end of the year.
Hey Greggg, I would love to see Blake Griffin and Tyler bang in the Final Four. What do you think?
oh my that dunk Willie Warren had on ISU :o that looked like it could've been in an NBA dunking contest. that's the thing, we're so damn deep! and yes, Cade will def make a big 3 at some point...
PLEASE let us keep Capel around!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a_wW6Zf0Qk
watch willie dunk on this kid. the kid he is dunking on is the number 1 recruit in the state this year.
i think that's known as a tea-bag ;D
QuoteQuoteBlake Griffin is unstoppable. So is Juan Pattillo.
That is all.
well said at dawn! I hope no one is sleeping on my soonies. Willie Warren is legit. We are deeper than we've ever been since I've been in Norman. Cade Davis will contribute in the tourney mark my words. And we have got to PAY Coach Capel at the end of the year.
Hey Greggg, I would love to see Blake Griffin and Tyler bang in the Final Four. What do you think?
I'd like to avoid that matchup if possible, because Tyler Hansbrough couldn't guard him at ALL. Blake is a beast.
QuoteThe Louisville game just goes to show one thing as far as I'm concerned. Anyone (at least in the top 25 or so) can lose to or beat anyone on any given night and it can be a blowout.
Duke gets hammered, UL gets hammered, MSU got hammered earlier by UNC...this thing is wide open and the championship is just about anyone's to take!
It is wide open, but I think theres only 8 or so teams that are good enough to not get upset on teh road to the championship.
Teams like Clemson, Notre Dame, etc. I think have the talent to upset a top dog, but I dont think theyre good enough to make it to the Final 4 or something
blake griffin 22 and 13 at the half
Arizona is beating the poo out of UCLA...looks like 2 losses in a row for UCLA
I love watching Jim Boeheim coach. Here's one of his finest moments from a couple of years ago.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn3kPBww2w0[/media]
Pitt/UConn tips off in another half hour. I like this matchup!
Lets go PITT
There's a new sheriff in town....we're getting cranked up... I smell March.
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A 20/20 game is fucking impressive, especially against Hasheem Thabeet.
March is on it's way!
I was interested to see how D-Blair looked vs Thabeet, and not only did he stomp him offensively, but he played him great defensively limiting him to 4 shots, 4 points, and foul trouble - something that isnt normal for him. I didnt think Blair had the size to be good in the NBA, but I might change my mind. That block he had on Thabeet with around a minute left was nasty :o
Considering Pitt still won with almost no support from anyone besides Young and Blair, and Fields didnt even do anything until the last 5 minutes, has me thinking this might be the year they finally make it past the Sweet 16.
Yeah, I'll be very interested to see how Pitt fairs this year...If they don't at least get to the elite eight, that's a shame, because they are a crazy talented/experienced team that has the ability to beat everyone they play.
That was a great game. The Big East is so strong and deep this year but they have failed miserably in the tourney over the last three years. Will they get it together or will OU be to strong? Sorry Triple but the ACC has not done that well recently either.
Watch out for #11 MIZZOU! ;) (Actually I think 11 is a bit high but I'm just psyched we are playing so well this year.)
QuoteYeah, I'll be very interested to see how Pitt fairs this year...If they don't at least get to the elite eight, that's a shame, because they are a crazy talented/experienced team that has the ability to beat everyone they play.
I think 1 thing that will work in their favor is they are now a frontrunner for the #1 seed in the East, and barring the getting upset a couple of times over the next few weeks, I dont see them slipping past a #2 seed.
Over the last 6-7 years, Pitt has NEVER gotten the benefit of the doubt with their seeding. Every year pretty much, their record dictates they should be 1 or 2 seeds higher, but they arent. IMO, they're the anti-Gonzaga, who always gets seeded higher than they deserve.
I think this will provide them with an easier road to the Elite 8, not that who they would play at #3 or #4 will be a pushover though.
Tyler Zeller is back versus NC STATE tonight! If there was any better time to gain a 7 footer mid season, I can't think of one. Glad to have this guy back!
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Sorry, I've been out of town for the weekend. But I did manage to see that game Saturday. It sucked.
Also: UNC vs. Maryland 2009 on ABC at 3:30 (Upset loss)
UNC vs. Maryland 2008 on ABC at 3:30 (Upset loss)
I'm not a fan of that time slot.
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Sorry, I've been out of town for the weekend. But I did manage to see that game Saturday. It sucked.
Also: UNC vs. Maryland 2009 on ABC at 3:30 (Upset loss)
UNC vs. Maryland 2008 on ABC at 3:30 (Upset loss)
I'm not a fan of that time slot.
I missed the game. I was running in a race on Saturday. I came in, turned on the TV, and the fans were storming the court. Vazquez seems to get motivated by the sight of Carolina blue. That win puts us right on top of the bubble. This is the worst MD team of the Gary Williams era - they do play hard though. Dook Weds.
Way to go into Providence and show why youre #1 Pitt :-/
The past Pitt teams that were talented had an achilles of free throws and not enough offense. This years team only achilles is clearly having Blair in foul trouble. Jamie Dixon has to get something across to him so he stays out of foul trouble in the big dance. IMO he should try to figure out how to get him to do that now instead of just going into the tourney with that mentality.
Seriously? Pitt?
#1 really does guarantee a loss...
ESPN has got to draw the line. I can handle the scrolling headlines/scores on the bottom of the screen, but they had live texting scrolling on the top during the Neb/A&M game. Combine all that with the score/clock graphic, and I could almost focus on the game. (it was hard enough to focus on that game anyway)
I think we are going to create a generation of kids who are ADD b/c of all the information and bells and whistles. jeeezz, isn't showing the game enough? :-/
QuoteESPN has got to draw the line. I can handle the scrolling headlines/scores on the bottom of the screen, but they had live texting scrolling on the top during the Neb/A&M game. Combine all that with the score/clock graphic, and I could almost focus on the game. (it was hard enough to focus on that game anyway)
I think we are going to create a generation of kids who are ADD b/c of all the information and bells and whistles. jeeezz, isn't showing the game enough? :-/
yeah, I didnt see that, but its gotten to the point where its annoying, ESPN had it best when they had the 28/58 score updates. If you needed/wanted more up to date info, go to a damn computer.
The only thing I do like is how CBS shows a good bit of player stats on sundays because Im a fantasy football fiend - but even that only comes up on the screen every 10 minutes or so and everyone knows the NFL is the most important sport anyway :)
QuoteQuoteESPN has got to draw the line. I can handle the scrolling headlines/scores on the bottom of the screen, but they had live texting scrolling on the top during the Neb/A&M game. Combine all that with the score/clock graphic, and I could almost focus on the game. (it was hard enough to focus on that game anyway)
I think we are going to create a generation of kids who are ADD b/c of all the information and bells and whistles. jeeezz, isn't showing the game enough? :-/
yeah, I didnt see that, but its gotten to the point where its annoying, ESPN had it best when they had the 28/58 score updates. If you needed/wanted more up to date info, go to a damn computer.
The only thing I do like is how CBS shows a good bit of player stats on sundays because Im a fantasy football fiend - but even that only comes up on the screen every 10 minutes or so and everyone knows the NFL is the most important sport anyway :)
That gets annoying to me, too. even in football, if you're that big of a fantasy geek get stattracker and then you don't need all the outdated "updates" littering the TV screen.
Seriously. I don't mind seeing other scores, but when I have to see A-Rod admits to steriods 40 times during a game like a stock ticker, I get a little pissed. The Olympics don't have all that crap and that is why the picture always looks so great!
my soonies need mr. griffin back in a hurry :-/
Quotemy soonies need mr. griffin back in a hurry :-/
Can he please wait until after next Wednesday? ;)
oh eazye i thought our man Cade was gonna bring us back against KU, he sure did try though...should've gone in earlier!
this is all texas' fault. >:( ...... :'(
Quoteoh eazye i thought our man Cade was gonna bring us back against KU, he sure did try though...should've gone in earlier!
this is all texas' fault. >:( ...... :'(
I hear you at dawn, I've been saying that cat needs to crack the starting lineup for awhile. That boys got a lot of range on the court.
And no BH we will definetly need him next wednesday. Your Tigers are flying under the radar just a little to much. We can't lose anymore if we want a #1 seed in the tourney.
QuoteQuoteQuoteESPN has got to draw the line. I can handle the scrolling headlines/scores on the bottom of the screen, but they had live texting scrolling on the top during the Neb/A&M game. Combine all that with the score/clock graphic, and I could almost focus on the game. (it was hard enough to focus on that game anyway)
I think we are going to create a generation of kids who are ADD b/c of all the information and bells and whistles. jeeezz, isn't showing the game enough? :-/
yeah, I didnt see that, but its gotten to the point where its annoying, ESPN had it best when they had the 28/58 score updates. If you needed/wanted more up to date info, go to a damn computer.
The only thing I do like is how CBS shows a good bit of player stats on sundays because Im a fantasy football fiend - but even that only comes up on the screen every 10 minutes or so and everyone knows the NFL is the most important sport anyway :)
That gets annoying to me, too. even in football, if you're that big of a fantasy geek get stattracker and then you don't need all the outdated "updates" littering the TV screen.
oh, if im at home I have my laptop in front of me with NFL.com up the whole time and refreshing every 5 minutes.
I probably watch half the Stillers games at a friends, bar, or restaurant though, and this isnt an option then, which is why I like CBS doing that.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteESPN has got to draw the line. I can handle the scrolling headlines/scores on the bottom of the screen, but they had live texting scrolling on the top during the Neb/A&M game. Combine all that with the score/clock graphic, and I could almost focus on the game. (it was hard enough to focus on that game anyway)
I think we are going to create a generation of kids who are ADD b/c of all the information and bells and whistles. jeeezz, isn't showing the game enough? :-/
yeah, I didnt see that, but its gotten to the point where its annoying, ESPN had it best when they had the 28/58 score updates. If you needed/wanted more up to date info, go to a damn computer.
The only thing I do like is how CBS shows a good bit of player stats on sundays because Im a fantasy football fiend - but even that only comes up on the screen every 10 minutes or so and everyone knows the NFL is the most important sport anyway :)
That gets annoying to me, too. even in football, if you're that big of a fantasy geek get stattracker and then you don't need all the outdated "updates" littering the TV screen.
oh, if im at home I have my laptop in front of me with NFL.com up the whole time and refreshing every 5 minutes.
I probably watch half the Stillers games at a friends, bar, or restaurant though, and this isnt an option then, which is why I like CBS doing that.
My local brewpub has wifi. It's tempting to take the laptop in and have stattracket kicking, but I don't know if I can be THAT guy.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteESPN has got to draw the line. I can handle the scrolling headlines/scores on the bottom of the screen, but they had live texting scrolling on the top during the Neb/A&M game. Combine all that with the score/clock graphic, and I could almost focus on the game. (it was hard enough to focus on that game anyway)
I think we are going to create a generation of kids who are ADD b/c of all the information and bells and whistles. jeeezz, isn't showing the game enough? :-/
yeah, I didnt see that, but its gotten to the point where its annoying, ESPN had it best when they had the 28/58 score updates. If you needed/wanted more up to date info, go to a damn computer.
The only thing I do like is how CBS shows a good bit of player stats on sundays because Im a fantasy football fiend - but even that only comes up on the screen every 10 minutes or so and everyone knows the NFL is the most important sport anyway :)
That gets annoying to me, too. even in football, if you're that big of a fantasy geek get stattracker and then you don't need all the outdated "updates" littering the TV screen.
oh, if im at home I have my laptop in front of me with NFL.com up the whole time and refreshing every 5 minutes.
I probably watch half the Stillers games at a friends, bar, or restaurant though, and this isnt an option then, which is why I like CBS doing that.
My local brewpub has wifi. It's tempting to take the laptop in and have stattracket kicking, but I don't know if I can be THAT guy.
Id put the over/under at 90 minutes before I spilled a cold one all over my laptops keyboard. No way could I ever bring a laptop with :D
I was really lookin forward to seeing how Mizzou would do at Kansas today, gearing up for the game, getting ready to root for Mizzou, see what they're made of on a tought road game.... CBS shows the Tennessee/Florida game instead. :-[
QuoteI was really lookin forward to seeing how Mizzou would do at Kansas today, gearing up for the game, getting ready to root for Mizzou, see what they're made of on a tought road game.... CBS shows the Tennessee/Florida game instead. :-[
I've got the Mizzou-Jayhawks game on here in Toronto. The CBS affiliate from Buffalo made the right call, although it's all Jayhawks right now.
QuoteI was really lookin forward to seeing how Mizzou would do at Kansas today, gearing up for the game, getting ready to root for Mizzou, see what they're made of on a tought road game.... CBS shows the Tennessee/Florida game instead. :-[
You didn't miss anything. :( :'( >:(
Yeah, tough break for Mizzou...they got creamed by Kansas. I know how that feels... :-/
QuoteYeah, tough break for Mizzou...they got creamed by Kansas. I know how that feels... :-/
they've got another one coming this wednesday, sorry bh :-/
QuoteQuoteYeah, tough break for Mizzou...they got creamed by Kansas. I know how that feels... :-/
they've got another one coming this wednesday, sorry bh :-/
Playing at home is a whole different ballgame. I'm not saying we won't get creamed again, but we are 16-0 at home. Don't count us out yet.
The Maddness is upon us...
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Can't wait! A week from this Sunday is Selection Sunday...
QuoteQuoteThe Maddness is upon us...
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Can't wait! A week from this Sunday is Selection Sunday...
Won't be in Vegas this year so time to load up the Bodog account! :D
Can't believe the deuce the Illini dropped in the last 7 minutes against Michigan State.
Go ahead Cardinals fans, tell me that Pitino looks great in white, I dare you ;)
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Can't wait! A week from this Sunday is Selection Sunday...
Won't be in Vegas this year so time to load up the Bodog account! :D
Can't believe the deuce the Illini dropped in the last 7 minutes against Michigan State.
Go ahead Cardinals fans, tell me that Pitino looks great in white, I dare you ;)
no need to say anything, just look
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man we look like absolute dogshit this first half :-/
bh your boys can quit draining those threes anytime now
at dawn, you watching this? where is willie and where is cade, we need him to start nailing some threes of his own!
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we were really coming together before blake's concussion
[smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] Wow, we needed that!
Sorry for the loss Eazy but you guys will be fine if you finish strong.
I'm telling ya, MU may not be the best team in the country, but if you don't come ready to play our defense will eat you alive. TENACIOUS!!!!
And ROFL at Kansas against Texas Tech last night...a 20 point loss to a team that has only won TWO conference games. Ouch.
QuoteAnd ROFL at Kansas against Texas Tech last night...a 20 point loss to a team that has only one TWO conference games. Ouch.
I heard Sherron Collins was talking pre-game about how good it will feel to celebrate their conference title in a visiting locker room.
ouch! ;D
QuoteQuoteAnd ROFL at Kansas against Texas Tech last night...a 20 point loss to a team that has only one TWO conference games. Ouch.
I heard Sherron Collins was talking pre-game about how good it will feel to celebrate their conference title in a visiting locker room.
ouch! ;D
Ha! Awesome. What a turn around from 4 days ago. KU fans were doing some serious trash talking Monday morning and I must admit, I'm feeling a bit smug today. :)
If you haven't seen Devan Downey of South Carolina you need to.
They play Tennessee tonight at 7 EST on ESPN
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Pitt vs U Conn today......
Pitt up by 7 half way through the 1st half. Man, they got it on the inside, they got it on the outside, they can run... When they're on, I don't think there's a better team in college b-ball.
BTW, headdy, after seeing the Pitt cheerleaders, I see why you were all over those pics of Ole Miss coeds like a maggot on a squirrel carcass. You'd last about 4 minutes in Oxford before being arrested! ;D
Sam Young, wow. Pitt's my band wagon team for the tourney.
He reminds me of me...
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QuotePitt vs U Conn today......
Pitt up by 7 half way through the 1st half. Man, they got it on the inside, they got it on the outside, they can run... When they're on, I don't think there's a better team in college b-ball.
BTW, headdy, after seeing the Pitt cheerleaders, I see why you were all over those pics of Ole Miss coeds like a maggot on a squirrel carcass. You'd last about 4 minutes in Oxford before being arrested! ;D
I just got back from class, and forgot to DVR it, but I guess that means they won. Looks like Blair didnt even get a double-double and they still won, even more impressive. Big ups to Levance Fields for being questionable with a tailbone injury but still delivering 10 pts, 12 dimes, and a 6 to 1 TO ratio. As long as Blair stays out of foul trouble (did he get 3 early or what? he only had 28 minutes), this team is going to at least the final four.
And yes, Pitt's cheerleaders are abhorrent. Thank god I went to Penn State [smiley=laugh.gif]. Ben Howland's daughter was even a Pitt cheerleader for christ sake. I honestly dont know how they consistently get a cheer squad of like all 6-7's and one 9. I could seriously put together a better looking ragtag group of cheerleaders just from girls from my highschool who went there. Pathetic.
How come everyone's sleeping on the cards all of sudden? The announcers last night said UofL might get a number one seed in the tourney if they win the big east tourney. There should be no maybe about it, if we win the Big East regular season outright (already did that) and we win the Big East tourney there is no way we are not a number one seed. UofL is 7-1 against ranked opponents including a win over Pitt. Who gets in over them over than UCONN (depending on how they fare in the tourney) and possibly UNC?
btw, anyone want to argue against the Big East being the toughest conference this year? Who thinks they will get three number one seeds this year? If UofL beats Pitt in the Big East tourny I think they'll have to give UofL, UConn, and Pitt a number 1
It's hard for me to argue that the Big East is not the best conference since by all accounts and everything I've watched, they seem like the best conference. However, recent history has shown that UConn, PITT and Louisville have all failed pretty miserably in the big dance in the past, so I'm looking forward to seeing if this year is any different. I can tell you one thing, the past is going to make me chose between UNC and OU for my champion in my bracket.
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btw, anyone want to argue against the Big East being the toughest conference this year?
I will. I think the SEC has the best conference this year. We're locked to get 6 teams in , maybe 7. We dominate.
Next is Conference USA...
(seriously though, I watched the "bubble match" yesterday between Florida and Kentucky, mostly b/c I wanted to see KY lose, and it was one of the worst basketball games I have ever seen. If KY were in the Big East they'd go 7-11 or 6-12 or probably worse.)
Yeah, didn't Kentucky have like 19 points in the first half? Ugh.
(Go Heels, beat dook)
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btw, anyone want to argue against the Big East being the toughest conference this year?
I will. I think the SEC has the best conference this year. We're locked to get 6 teams in , maybe 7. We dominate.
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This isnt football chief
Don't all of the big conferences just kind of suck this year. Even the Big East. Get past the top 3 in every conference and it just sucks. I hope they leave out all of the middle tier teams (including my beloved Terps) from all of the big conferences and open up some spots for the little guys.
So we really need to see the likes of Maryland, Villanova, Kentucky, Florida, Michigan, etc., this year?
QuoteDon't all of the big conferences just kind of suck this year. Even the Big East. Get past the top 3 in every conference and it just sucks. I hope they leave out all of the middle tier teams (including my beloved Terps) from all of the big conferences and open up some spots for the little guys.
So we really need to see the likes of Maryland, Villanova, Kentucky, Florida, Michigan, etc., this year?
Agreed. Although Nova and Marquette deserve a spot in the dance. I'd love to see more cinderellas get into the ball.
BH- I don't think you can say UofL has failed miserably in the past tournaments, they lost to UNC in the Elite 8 last year and were in the Final Four three years ago.
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BH- I don't think you can say UofL has failed miserably in the past tournaments, they lost to UNC in the Elite 8 last year and were in the Final Four three years ago.
I'll give you that for sure. It was mostly UConn and Pitt that I had in mind when I made that statement. Plus I forgot about the Cardinals Final 4 appearance.