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I cant start this thread without commending the [size=20]Super Bowl XLIII Champion Pittsburgh Steelers[/size]  8-)



..that said, all this Cutler trade talk is really mindbending. If it wasnt for the NCAA's, Baseball starting, and maybe the NBA and NHL playoff races heating up, I think Cutler's story would have many more headlines.

Off the top of my head, he's the best QB who is 25 or younger (Matt Ryan is probably up there), yet they tried to trade him. I get it bc the guy coached for NE, but still - you have a 2009 Pro Bowl QB on your team, and you want to trade him?!?!!?

I think Cutler is taking this a bit too personal, but the Denver GM/owner or whoever is crazy if they let McDaniels dangle Cutler out there in trade talks.

Whatever happens,  Denver aint winning this battle.

Yeah, it's all kinda crazy. I saw an interesting piece on the NFL Network about it the other day. I didn't realize that McDaniels was the QB coach at NE when Cassell was there, which is why he was trying to go after him before he got traded to KC. It all kinda made sense, but you still gotta feel bad for Cutler.
On the other hand, Cutler probably understands that motive as well...

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;D I'm uncertain why you're rubbing your hands together - is it as a Bills fan or a TO/Bills hater. I seriously thought he'd end up on the Raiders - I didn't want that, but it just would've made perfect sense.

Da Raiders have a Thanksgiving game this season, going down to Dallas! First Thanksgiving game for them since 1970!

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;D I'm uncertain why you're rubbing your hands together - is it as a Bills fan or a TO/Bills hater. I seriously thought he'd end up on the Raiders - I didn't want that, but it just would've made perfect sense.

Da Raiders have a Thanksgiving game this season, going down to Dallas! First Thanksgiving game for them since 1970!

I think he'd retire before signing with a team as bad as Oakland.

What Im most interested in seeing is how this affects Lee Evans stats next year.

Culter is a whiny baby.

He wouldn't last ten minutes in Philly.

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;D I'm uncertain why you're rubbing your hands together - is it as a Bills fan or a TO/Bills hater. I seriously thought he'd end up on the Raiders - I didn't want that, but it just would've made perfect sense.

Da Raiders have a Thanksgiving game this season, going down to Dallas! First Thanksgiving game for them since 1970!

I think he'd retire before signing with a team as bad as Oakland.

What Im most interested in seeing is how this affects Lee Evans stats next year.

At this point I think he has given up on getting a ring. His best chance was in 04 with the Birds. He's just looking for a few last paydays.

Apparently Michael Vick expects to be paid $10 mill per year by some team. If you were an NFL GM, would you pay Ron Mexico that much $$$ per year???  ;D

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Michael-Vick-thinks-Michael-Vick-is-still-worth-?urn=nfl,151410

The article ends by saying they expect him to only make around the NFL minimum. I think theyre way off there. Id say there are probably 25 teams who arent interested in him, but a handful plus who are, and Id expect him to get $2-3 mill per year for like a 2 year contract from somebody

QuoteCulter is a whiny baby.

He wouldn't last ten minutes in Philly.

He won't in NY either, especially not for 2 #1 picks and Revis or Harris.

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QuoteCulter is a whiny baby.

He wouldn't last ten minutes in Philly.

He won't in NY either, especially not for 2 #1 picks and Revis or Harris.

I cant see NYJ giving up that much. A #1 and Revis, yes, but not two #1's and Revis (or Harris).

Denver is crazy if they are just going to give him away for less than another franchise QB, whether that comes from a swap or draft picks.

All Denver did was sign a bunch of mediocre players this offseason. That includes my all time favorite player Brian Dawkins and former Eagle RB Correll Buckhalter.

Then again, with next year being uncapped they don't have to necessarily worry about the salary implications.

QuoteDenver is crazy if they are just going to give him away for less than another franchise QB, whether that comes from a swap or draft picks.

All Denver did was sign a bunch of mediocre players this offseason. That includes my all time favorite player Brian Dawkins and former Eagle RB Correll Buckhalter.

Then again, with next year being uncapped they don't have to necessarily worry about the salary implications.

Fact of the matter is, they wont know how they will have made out with this trade for a few years because im pretty sure no team will trade their franchise QB and draft pick(s) will be involved.

I actually think Dawkins is a great pickup and big loss for Philly. I think losing Buckhalter doesnt hurt them much, but I think he could be surprisingly good for Denver since every RB is typically good for them as long as they have a decent QB when all is said and done who can get the ball to Marshall and Royal.

And I almost guarantee a new bargaining agreement will be put in place and there will be a salary cap still in the NFL for the 2010 season. Theyre too successful to go down the shitty road baseball has now.

At this point they have already said it will already be an uncapped year. If the bargaining agreement does happen it won't be put in place until 2011.

On the Dawkins thing: Dawkins was a leader in the locker room. Outside of that his skill have greatly diminished. He is good if he is playing in the box in run or blitzing from the line of scrimmage. But his coverage skills have completely corroded. He is too big a liability in pass coverage. The Broncos did the Eagles front office a favor by over paying Dawk. Of course, with what our options are now, I would rather have Dawk back, but the player he is right now is not worth that kind of money to the FO.

Well thats gonna blow if its uncapped.

We better sign Silverback soon  :-/

It could be worse: you could be an Eagles fan  :'(

They have 40 million left under the cap NOW, as well as 12 draft picks, including two first round picks that Banner will probably trade away for more later round picks so he doesn't have to pay first round money.

You've seen two SB's in the past 3-4 years, and the Steelers do that without free agency for the most part.

Well, they could still get Boldin. Maybe theyre planning on moving up in the 1st round and saving space for high priced draft picks.

Still, no salary cap is good for nobody but Washington an its definitely not good for football fans

I would rather them combine the 21 and 28 picks and trade up to grab an OT. However I would do A first and a third and possible a third next year for Boldin. That's me though, the Eagles surely won't.

And other teams do have the capital to compete in an uncapped free agency. The know the Eagles and Steelers both do. Other teams would bite the dust.

But look at baseball the Yanks haven't won shit in 10 years and they have had the highest payroll every year.

QuoteI would rather them combine the 21 and 28 picks and trade up to grab an OT. However I would do A first and a third and possible a third next year for Boldin. That's me though, the Eagles surely won't.

And other teams do have the capital to compete in an uncapped free agency. The know the Eagles and Steelers both do. Other teams would bite the dust.

But look at baseball the Yanks haven't won shit in 10 years and they have had the highest payroll every year.

I think a 1st and 3r for Boldin is a steal. I think he's only like 28 or so, right?

The Eagles are built to win right now with McNabb and Westbrook. I think if they were smart and Zona would do it, a 1st and a 3rd is a very good price for Boldin

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He wouldn't last ten minutes in Philly.

He won't in NY either, especially not for 2 #1 picks and Revis or Harris.

I cant see NYJ giving up that much. A #1 and Revis, yes, but not two #1's and Revis (or Harris).

I would hope not but of course this is the Jets! I've been through A LOT with this team over the years!

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He wouldn't last ten minutes in Philly.

He won't in NY either, especially not for 2 #1 picks and Revis or Harris.

I cant see NYJ giving up that much. A #1 and Revis, yes, but not two #1's and Revis (or Harris).

I would hope not but of course this is the Jets! I've been through A LOT with this team over the years!

Oh yeah, and screw you guys for trading up to the pick ahead of us a couple years back and snatching Revis. I like Lawrence Timmons a lot in the long run, but with Bryant McFadden now gone, the team could use Revis a lot more then Timmons.

I still take Timmons in a heartbeat though. He just keeps getting better and better. Not sure there is a quicker LB in the NFL.

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QuoteCulter is a whiny baby.

He wouldn't last ten minutes in Philly.

He won't in NY either, especially not for 2 #1 picks and Revis or Harris.

I cant see NYJ giving up that much. A #1 and Revis, yes, but not two #1's and Revis (or Harris).

I would hope not but of course this is the Jets! I've been through A LOT with this team over the years!

Oh yeah, and screw you guys for trading up to the pick ahead of us a couple years back and snatching Revis. I like Lawrence Timmons a lot in the long run, but with Bryant McFadden now gone, the team could use Revis a lot more then Timmons.

I still take Timmons in a heartbeat though. He just keeps getting better and better. Not sure there is a quicker LB in the NFL.

And now that they have Sheppard to play with him they may trade him for the second coming of Jeff George!

Speaking of Jeff George: They had just interviewed him a week or so ago, and he is claiming he is still in football shape. He is trying to get back into the league for his 8th comeback.

George still grasping for one last shot at glory
By Michael Silver, Yahoo! Sports
5 hours, 5 minutes ago

Jeff George swears he hasn't lost his fastball, even as he dreams, at 41, of an unlikely comeback into a league that last saw him throw a pass eight years ago.

He certainly hasn't lost his sense of humor.

George, mindful that he has served as a point of reference in recent weeks for critics of disgruntled Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler, was asked Tuesday in a telephone interview whether he viewed such a comparison as insulting or complimentary.

"Oh, that's a huge compliment," George said, drawing out his Indiana drawl for sarcastic effect. "I mean, you can't get any better than that."

Lest George be accused of taking a shot at Cutler, the strong-armed passer who became steamed at his superiors after they contemplated trading him for former New England Patriots quarterback Matt Cassel last month, the first overall pick of the 1990 NFL draft believes Broncos coach Josh McDaniels is to blame for the conflict.

"Really, it's unfortunate that a team would do that," George said. "I know people say he's a crybaby and needs to suck it up, and I understand a coach saying that every position is open for competition. But it's different when it comes to quarterbacks. You need to be a little sensitive to that position.

"The quarterback position is so fragile, and people just don't understand what goes into it. It's not just on Sundays that you're on the spot. You're the leader of the team. You're the face of the franchise. The minute it comes out that they're thinking about getting rid of you for someone else, you feel like the coach isn't on your side, and there's a trust issue.

"If your teammates are seeing that the coach is already putting you on the trading block or trying to push you out, in the back of their minds they'll wonder if the team is committed to you, and it's tough for you to lead. Can Jay go back to Denver and lead that team and have everybody believe in him? It's gonna be tough."

In fairness, George also believes that Cutler is wrong to boycott the team's offseason training program, saying, "I would tell him to just go in, bust your butt and work as hard as you can over the offseason. Go in and be a leader like you think you can be. Don't give 'em any excuse to say you're a crybaby."

Besides, as much as he would like to counsel Cutler not to repeat some of his mistakes, George has his own issues. He wants one more shot at NFL glory, and he can't even scare up so much as a tryout.

"I've been trying to figure out how to get back in, and it just amazes me that I'm not on somebody's roster," George said. "I've been throwing two or three times a week, and every time I go out there to throw, I can't believe I'm not a backup somewhere. I know it's a young man's game, but you can't tell me I'm not better than some of the quarterbacks that are out there. I look at teams like Minnesota or Chicago, and I want to scream at the people in charge, 'What are you thinking?' "

George, who last got a sniff from the Oakland Raiders – he spent five days on the team's roster shortly before the start of the 2006 season, his second stint with the Silver and Black – isn't bitter about his plight. For the most part, he's happy watching his 12-year-old son, Jeffrey, tear it up on the suburban Indianapolis youth-sports circuit ("He was the quarterback of his seventh-grade team," Jeff says, "and they just went undefeated for the first time in the junior high's history"), with daughter Jordan, 10, and son Jayden, 8, also occupying his and wife Teresa's attention.

Yet the competitor in George can't let it go, especially when he sees teams like the Vikings, for whom he put up huge numbers while going 8-2 as a starter in 1999, and the Cowboys, who struggled last season when Tony Romo missed several weeks with an injury and 40-year-old backup Brad Johnson was ineffective.

"If I was in Minnesota," George said, "I guarantee I'd be wearing a ring right now. I just can't get over why somebody like [coach] Brad Childress wouldn't take a look at me and have me as the third guy on their roster. Put me in and I'll pick up right where I left off in '99, but this time with Adrian Peterson, so I wouldn't have to throw it nearly as much."

Yet when Childress, during the 2007 season, was asked if he had any interest in George, the coach was dismissive, saying, "Probably maybe [he could] go to a fantasy camp or something like that. 'Downside' would probably be, I think, kind."

Similarly, though George yearns for a spot on the Cowboys' roster – "If Tony Romo goes down," he said, "who's better out there to run the Dallas offense than somebody like me – someone who knows how to throw to veteran receivers and get the ball downfield and keep them happy?" – it's clear that his love is destined to be unrequited.

"I would think it's way past his time," Cowboys executive vice president Stephen Jones said Thursday. "Being that he sat out all those years, plus he's [over] 40, and he wasn't exactly what everybody was looking for to start out with, I just don't see it. I'd say his chances are slim and none. I know we wouldn't be interested, but you never can tell with someone like Al Davis, so maybe the Raiders would bite."

George understands that his reputation as a selfish, divisive presence with a penchant for pouting isn't helping his quest, and there's not a whole lot he can do about that now. It's a subject I first explored nearly 12 years ago while reporting a Sports Illustrated feature that ran after George signed a five-year, $27-million contract with the Raiders. George had landed in Oakland after unhappy endings in his hometown of Indianapolis (the Colts traded up to draft him but shipped him off after four seasons) and Atlanta (where he infamously engaged in a sideline spat with coach June Jones that led to his being suspended and released).

Having done my share of due diligence over the years, I've concluded that while George might have displayed some immaturity and petulance at times (hey, I can relate), he's far from the locker-room cancer he's often portrayed to be. If there are a few players and coaches that feel that way, they are vastly outnumbered by a base of supporters as diverse as devout Christian Steve Wisniewski, the ex-Raiders guard, and polarizing Patriots wideout Randy Moss, one of George's prime targets in Minnesota.

As for his relationship with Jones, who is now the SMU head coach? "June's one of my best friends," said George, who suggested the two of us speak. (Jones and I played phone-tag on Thursday.)

I asked George about the disastrous end to the 2000 season, when the Redskins fired Norv Turner and George – replacing Brad Johnson – started the final two games for interim coach Terry Robiskie. Stories soon circulated that George, a gifted play-caller by reputation, had been a rebellious saboteur who recklessly called audibles against his coach's wishes.

"Everybody tries to use you as a scapegoat in an effort to save their jobs," George said. "That's the way it is. When Norv was in Washington, you weren't even allowed to call audibles – that's the way the offense was set up. So at the end of the year after Terry came in we were in Dallas and we were losing late in the fourth quarter and had a third-and-20. I said to [wideout] Irving Fryar in the huddle, 'If you get one-on-one coverage I'll put it up and we'll try to get a first down.' Sure enough, I saw man-to-man on the outside, and I threw it to Irving and it was incomplete. That was it. But people ran with it to try to save their butts."

The next year George lasted only two games as new Redskins coach Marty Schottenheimer's starter before being released, and despite subsequent signings by the Seahawks (as an emergency quarterback late in the '02 season), Bears (as a backup for the second part of the '04 season) and Raiders, he has yet to take another snap.

It's not for lack of persistence. "I can honestly say that if it doesn't work out for me, I have exhausted every avenue," George said. "Guys like [ex-Broncos coach] Mike Shanahan, I used to wear him out. I'd bug him just about every week, and he was the nicest guy – he always returned my calls. But I wore him out."



George will likely always be remembered for his run-in with Jones, left.
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When I saw George in Tampa the day before Super Bowl XLIII, he was excited about Arizona Cardinals quarterback Kurt Warner's surprising revival at 37 and hopeful that it could help persuade teams to take his comeback efforts seriously. "If your job is on the line," George said, "wouldn't you trust a guy who has been there over some 23-year-old, at least as your backup?"

George, who runs daily, said he is 20 pounds lighter than he was as a player (he was last listed at 218) and is about as fast – yes, it's a relative term – as he was coming out of college. As for his incredibly gifted right arm, George insisted it's nearly as potent as it ever was. "I can probably chuck it 78 yards," he said, "compared to when I was coming out [of college] and could throw it 85."

On Tuesday, an unseasonably warm day in Indy, George went to a local high school, where one of his receivers from back in the day at Warren Central High is now the head coach, and enlisted the services of some eager juniors and seniors from his buddy's team. The eager targets laid out for balls in an effort to please their famous guest. It was, George agreed, a scene that conjured images of Warren Beatty's Joe Pendleton, having inhabited the body of deceased multi-millionaire Leo Farnsworth, throwing to the hired help in the backyard of his mansion in "Heaven Can Wait."

In the movie, of course, Pendleton winds up returning as ex-teammat

Cutler to Da Bears for Orton, this years 1st (18th), next year's 1st, and this year's 3rd (84th).


I dont think you can really grade the trade, depending on what positions the players play that they use the picks on, good or bad for Denver until 4-5 years down the road. I havent followed draft stuff too much yet, but I would think it will be hard to get Stafford or Sanchez with the 12th pick being their highest and what 1 would assume they would want.

That said, Denver has a lot of holes and not much outside of their WR's, Champ Bailey, and DJ Williams, so maybe trading Cutler and rebuilding is the best way to go for them.

I think Cutler is easily the best 25 or younger QB though, so even if most of those picks pan out to be starters, they probably still lose on this trade. They need to have 1 star pan out with all those picks for them to have a chance to win on this trade.

I guess Sexy Rexy wont be starting much this year  ;D

The Bears made out no matter matter what those two first round picks turn out to be. They got a experienced, proven, franchise QB at the age of 25. With draft picks, there is always some degree of risk, no matter how high the pick, (see TIm Couch). What do the Bears care if they give up a late round pick next year if they run deep into the playoffs?

Denver gave away there core piece in a trade, and brought in a bunch of over paid players past their primes. These are awful decisions IMO. So they gave up a top ten (young) QB for Kyle Orton? The 18th pick in the draft will probably not get you another Cutler.

I agree totally. My buddy texted me "Denver got a pretty sweet deal" and I hadnt seen it because I was in class, and I then I found out what it was and didnt think that at all.

Like I said, you gotta give it like 5 years before you can give it a grade, but the chances of getting QB that ends up being as good as Cutler is slim. They actually have the 12th pick in the 1st round since its their own, which is weird because you would've thought they would trade Cutler to a team with a higher pick than them. They need to get a pro bowler out of these picks, and if it isnt a QB, than a pro bowler and above average starter.

I dont understand this situation the last couple days. I have a feeling the whole "Cutler's agent couldnt get a hold of him for a day" and "I cant believe theyre acting so fast to trade me" is just Cutler trying to cover his tracks and make his new team feel more comfortable or get more offers.

If Cutler was sincere with that stuff over the last 48 hours, then I think Denver acted too quickly with this. Otherwise, they got rid of a QB who seemed to have dismissed his team and got two 1st's and a 3rd. Denver couldnt win on this trade, but I think they got about all they could have. If I were a Bronco fan, I personally wouldve rather gotten Revis, a 1st, and a 3rd from the Jets, but who knows if an offer even close to that was on the table

QuoteThe Bears made out no matter matter what those two first round picks turn out to be. They got a experienced, proven, franchise QB at the age of 25.  

I wouldn't say he's proven yet.

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QuoteThe Bears made out no matter matter what those two first round picks turn out to be. They got a experienced, proven, franchise QB at the age of 25.  

I wouldn't say he's proven yet.

I wouldnt say he's proven either - nor does Chicago have receivers like Brandon Marshall and to a lesser extent Eddie Royal or Tony Scheffler - but he's shown his talent and was consistently good last year. Isnt as saavy as some QB's, but also doesnt make many mistakes.

He also had no running game at Denver last year and put up great numbers. If it wasnt for Matt Ryan, da Bears would have the current ROY Matt Forte as their RB, who based on last year is already probably 1 of the 5 best receiving RB's in the game.

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QuoteThe Bears made out no matter matter what those two first round picks turn out to be. They got a experienced, proven, franchise QB at the age of 25.  

I wouldn't say he's proven yet.

Really ?

I would say two seasons with a completion percentage over 62 % is pretty damn good.

Look at his line from last year...

4500 yards, 63% completion percentage, and 25 TD's . Also he has played every game the last two seasons.

I Cutler is far and away the best QB 25 or under.

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QuoteThe Bears made out no matter matter what those two first round picks turn out to be. They got a experienced, proven, franchise QB at the age of 25.  

I wouldn't say he's proven yet.

I wouldnt say he's proven either - nor does Chicago have receivers like Brandon Marshall and to a lesser extent Eddie Royal or Tony Scheffler - but he's shown his talent and was consistently good last year. Isnt as saavy as some QB's, but also doesnt make many mistakes.

He also had no running game at Denver last year and put up great numbers. If it wasnt for Matt Ryan, da Bears would have the current ROY Matt Forte as their RB, who based on last year is already probably 1 of the 5 best receiving RB's in the game.

I respectfully disagree with the bolded part. I think his biggest flaw is he thinks he is an Elway/Farve. He thinks he can just toss it up or fit it into tight windows without fail. He did average over 1 pick a game.

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QuoteThe Bears made out no matter matter what those two first round picks turn out to be. They got a experienced, proven, franchise QB at the age of 25.  

I wouldn't say he's proven yet.

Really ?

I would say two seasons with a completion percentage over 62 % is pretty damn good.

Look at his line from last year...

4500 yards, 63% completion percentage, and 25 TD's . Also he has played every game the last two seasons.

I Cutler is far and away the best QB 25 or under.

I don't care about fantasy numbers. Is he a winner? I don't yet. So far he's been more of a whiner.

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I wouldn't say he's proven yet.

Really ?

I would say two seasons with a completion percentage over 62 % is pretty damn good.

Look at his line from last year...

4500 yards, 63% completion percentage, and 25 TD's . Also he has played every game the last two seasons.

I Cutler is far and away the best QB 25 or under.

I don't care about fantasy numbers. Is he a winner? I don't yet. So far he's been more of a whiner.

So because he was on a bad team that makes him less of a QB? Is it his fault his D let up over 30 points time and time again?

Take a look at Denver's record last year. Here are the points given up (by Denver's D)  in each loss

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I wouldn't say he's proven yet.

Really ?

I would say two seasons with a completion percentage over 62 % is pretty damn good.

Look at his line from last year...

4500 yards, 63% completion percentage, and 25 TD's . Also he has played every game the last two seasons.

I Cutler is far and away the best QB 25 or under.

I don't care about fantasy numbers. Is he a winner? I don't yet. So far he's been more of a whiner.

So because he was on a bad team that makes him less of a QB? Is it his fault his D let up over 30 points time and time again?

Take a look at Denver's record last year. Here are the points given up (by Denver's D)  in each loss

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Schedules came out today if anyone cares.

QuoteSchedules came out today if anyone cares.

nah

stop moaning

Week 1: 9/13 Eagles @ Panthers, 1 pm
Week 2: 9/20 Saints @ Eagles, 1 pm
Week 3: 9/27 Chiefs @ Eagles, 1 pm
Week 4: BYE
Week 5: 10/11 Bucs @ Eagles, 1 pm
Week 6: 10/18 Eagles @ Raiders, 4:05 pm
Week 7: 10/26 Eagles @ Redskins, 8:30 pm (Monday Night)
Week 8: 11/1 Giants @ Eagles, 4:15 pm
Week 9: 11/8 Cowboys @ Eagles, 8:20 pm (Sunday Night)
Week 10: 11/15 Eagles @ Chargers, 4:15 pm
Week 11: 11/22 Eagles @ Bears, 8:20 pm (Sunday Night)
Week 12: 11/29 Redskins @ Eagles, 1 pm
Week 13: 12/6 Eagles @ Falcons, 1 pm
Week 14: 12/13 Eagles @ Giants, 8:20 pm (Sunday Night)
Week 15: 12/20 Niners @ Eagles, 1 pm
Week 16: 12/27 Broncos @ Eagles, 1 pm
Week 17: 1/3 Eagles @ Cowboys, 1 pm

Steelers go from the #1 toughest schedule last year at .598% oponent winning percentage to the 29th toughest at something like .438%

Love. It.

QuoteSteelers go from the #1 toughest schedule last year at .598% oponent winning percentage to the 29th toughest at something like .438%

Love. It.

and the phins got the hardest- hopefully we dont have another 2007 season this year.

My Pats have a combined opponent record average of .596--only 2 opponents below .500--so they should have a good (entertaining) season  8-).

Realistically, it's not a very good judge of the level of difficulty a team will face because teams change during the offseason. You can go from bad to decent pretty quickly in this league with FA and the draft, or vice versa. Not to mention the maturity of players as well as players recovering or getting injured. It's not a good way to assess the difficulty of any given years schedule.

Very true...I'm still more pumped about this year's schedule than '08's

I hate the Pats.

That is all.

QuoteI hate the Pats.

That is all.

8-)

QuoteI hate the Pats.

That is all.

More than the Steelers?

Because I know I loathe the Pats even more than the Flyers. Most despised team in all of sports besides the Jamaican track team. They are too fast.

It appears Arizona is dangling Boldin out there again to see what they might be able to get prior to the draft

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4071716

I didnt know what Boldin's contract was exactly before I read this article, but I find it pretty bad that he's got 2 years left on his contract and is making over $5.5 mill/yr on his current contract and is bitching (and was bitching last year around this time). I would guess when he signed that in 2005, that put him in the bottom half of the Top 10 or barely outside of it, which is what he should be played. He's not elite of the elite, and he benefits from Fitz and vice versa, but he should be paid around the 10th best WR in the league. He certainly aint getting $10 mill per.

There are situations where players deserve restructured contracts or extensions (see James Harrison), but with the money he's making, he isnt one of them. He should just shut up and play and revisit this again next year.

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That is all.

More than the Steelers?

Because I know I loathe the Pats even more than the Flyers. Most despised team in all of sports besides the Jamaican track team. They are too fast.

I don't hate the Steelers. I hate the fact that the Steelers won two recent SB's and the Eagles haven't. I like the Steelers' style of play. I wish the Eagles played smash mouth football.

This surprises me less than Irvin getting busted after he retired. Jimmy couldnt even keep his nose clean on gameday probably.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4090836

Separated at birth? You tell me

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Some of the best ever were on drugs while they played

see the original L.T.

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see the original L.T.

dont forget this guy from Playmakers

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Was that short lived show on ESPN?

QuoteWas that short lived show on ESPN?

Yeah. They definitely wouldve had another season, it was popular, but the NFL told ESPN that if they had another season, they would ban ESPN from airing NFL games.

Obviously, ESPN caved.

Its worth watching

Tony Gonzalez went to the Falcons today. They mean business over there. I wonder if they'll have another season like last year.

QuoteTony Gonzalez went to the Falcons today. They mean business over there. I wonder if they'll have another season like last year.

I cant believe they traded him for only a 2nd rounder, and not even a 2nd rounder for 2009  :D

Yeah, that's kinda crazy...but it was a great deal for the Falcons. I've never been a Falcons fan, but it's gonna be interesting to see how they do this year.

i was just coming over to post about that trade

how did the chiefs agree to that deal? I think they needed TG for matt cassell to get accustomed to the new team- have some targets to throw to.  Oh well- hope the falcons continue to do well

It's Draft Day! I've gotta work until 5 or so, so my brother is gonna text the updates to me.

Here's hoping that the Titans get a receiver that can catch the ball. :)

Boldin to the Eagles today, book it!

3rd, (next years) 2nd, and Winston Justice

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QuoteTony Gonzalez went to the Falcons today. They mean business over there. I wonder if they'll have another season like last year.

I cant believe they traded him for only a 2nd rounder, and not even a 2nd rounder for 2009  :D

A second rounder is good value. How many more years do you think Gonzo has? I would say two tops. The chiefs aren't doing shit anyway, they might as well build.

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QuoteTony Gonzalez went to the Falcons today. They mean business over there. I wonder if they'll have another season like last year.

I cant believe they traded him for only a 2nd rounder, and not even a 2nd rounder for 2009  :D

A second rounder is good value. How many more years do you think Gonzo has? I would say two tops. The chiefs aren't doing shit anyway, they might as well build.

I would say he has at least 3 good years left, and probably more.

He was the best TE in the NFL last year, and he was ON THE CHIEFS!!  :D

I dont think a 2nd is terrible value, but if youre rebuilding like they say they are, how can they substantiate this deal when the pick isnt even for this year's draft?! It doesnt make sense

QuoteBoldin to the Eagles today, book it!

3rd, (next years) 2nd, and Winston Justice

Boldin, if he gets moved, will have a 1st round pick involved - or a player better than Winston Justice

This is 1 weird draft

No idea what to expect, but usually the Steelers find gold in 1 of their 5th-7th round picks. I cant believe we got AQ Shipley in the 7th round  :D Call him undersized, say he has alligator arms all you want, but the dude won in highschool and he was a winner at PSU. He's also smart. I have no idea how the #5 rated Center went in the 7th round.

With all the talent the fell into the first half of the 2nd round, I just hope our #1 pans out. We havent missed on a #1 in over a decade, so maybe were due, but the Steelers almost never miss in the 1st round. I dont know much about our picks in the 3rd round either, but they all seemed decent from what Ive heard and all filled the Steelers holes.

I havent really looked at any teams draft overall since I was working today, but based on what I saw, the Giants, Patsies, and Seahawks all had drafts that I thought were very good.

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The Titans did pretty well. We needed some receivers and I think we got some pretty good ones. I can't say that I knew a lot about them beforehand, but I've watched their videos and did some reading up on them. We got Nate Washington from your Steelers in the offseason, picked up a WR in Round 1 and got a good TE as well.

Also, it looks like the Bears and 49ers did well in the draft. The 9ers got Crabtree and my boy Glen Coffee from Bama. I know he'll be a backup to Gore, but I think he'll get some playing time with the way that Singletary likes the running game. Also, I think they'll be looking to take some of the load off of Gore since he was injured a good bit last year.

The Bears grabbed a few WRs. It looks like they want to have plenty of people to spread the ball around to since they picked up Cutler.

You overpaid for Nate (as I figured somebody would), but hopefully has success there.

I dont remember who all the Titans took, but I did see today they took Javon Ringer. Surprised me since theyre stacked at RB, but it I think it was just a 5th rounder.

Titans got WR Kenny Britt from Rutgers in Round One and TE Jared Cook from South Carolina in Round 3. They also got a few DEF players to fill in some holes as well as another receiver in the 6th round or something like that.
I wondered about Ringer as well, but my brother said that it's likely that Lendale White will only be around TN for another year or so. I like him at the goal-line, but Chris Johnson is probably gonna get the bulk of the carries this year. So I guess Ringer will be a good pick. Maybe not for this year, but for next year. I think he'll be good at the goal-line as well, but he'll have more burst than Lendale and could probably be a little more useful.

I figured it was because they dont plan on keeping LenDale. Ringer isnt big, actually, hes smaller than CJ3 even (5'9'', 200#), but he does run hard.

Britt seems like a solid pick though, and Titans definitely need a potential #1 WR

I didn't really know anything about him before yesterday, but his reel looks good. I've read good things about him as well.

I started pulling for the 49ers last year when Singletary took over. As a kid in the 80s, I was all about the Bears and the 49ers, so I automatically started pulling for the 9ers when a former Bear great took over. With Coffee going to the 9ers this year, that gives me even more reason to keep an eye on them.

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I also think that Jerry Jones might be about as batshit crazy as Al Davis.

9ers draft does look decent. 1st 2 picks should be good, and I like Scott McKillop and Nate Davis in the 5th. Nate Davis could be their starter in a year or 2. You heard it herrre first.

Francois in teh 7th aint bad either

Yeah, they got a couple of defensive players that look promising.

They're saying that Young and Smith are gonna battle it out for starting QB this year and let Davis learn the system. He apparently didn't take too many snaps under center and leaned heavily on the shotgun formation. They're thinking that with some adjustments, he could end up starting in the next 2 years or so. You never know. This is all coming from Eisen and the guys on the NFL Network.

They interviewed Singletary today and he seemed very pleased with the Coffee pick. That's encouraging.

Wow, now I know how bad the 9ers are because I dont even know who Young is, or at least I cant think of what his 1st name is at the moment  :D

Man, just got my first looks at 1 of our 5th round picks, Frank "The Tank" Summers. Dude is a BEAST. He even lead UNLV in receiving TD's last year. Apparently USC recruited him hard to play FB, but he went to UNLV so he could play RB. Just another pick I love.

"The Tank" is just too perfect, but in rememberance of Bettis, I also like "The Short Bus"  ;D
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That dude's kinda scary.

And yeah, I was happy that the 9ers drafter a QB, even if he won't see any playing time this year.

Well, an interesting offseason for my teams but at least we both acquired QBs,  Cutler and Sanchez of course.

I had a question for those in the know and particularly Tracy.

What are your opinions on Michael Oher.  I know Ravens fans are pretty excited that they got him so late in the 1st when many thought he might go much earlier.

And if Ewok prances through this thread, he can tell me why Andre Smith is that much better than Oher.  Plus I guess Oher will be moved to right tackle so not as big a deal as the other three who will be starting immediately at LT.

I think 1 reason Oher was expected to go higher was because of people thinking of last year when I think 7 OT's went in the Top 20. To be honest, I dont think I saw 1 mock that had him going in the Top 12. Then you have guys like Heyward-Bey and Moreno going earlier than expected, guys like Orakpo dropping, and a bunch of teams who had bigger needs and Oher falls to 22 (I think thats where he went).

Ewok and Tracy probably know more than me, but Oher is pretty similar to 1 of the Top OT's from last year actually, Ryan Clady. Versatile and has good lateral quickness for an OT. I think Clady actually made the pro bowl last year as a rookie as well. As for Andre Smith, he's more of your prototypical mauler LT. Just look at how different Bama was without him in their bowl game as well (not saying thats the only reason they lost though). I think Smith plays a lot like ex-Raven Jonathan Odgen.

The Oher playing RT and not LT definitely makes a difference too as far as him dropping.

I don't know much about Oher, but headdy nailed it about Smith. The guy means business. I don't remember the numbers, but the Bama O-line gave up very few sacks this year and Smith was a big reason for that.

QuoteI think 1 reason Oher was expected to go higher was because of people thinking of last year when I think 7 OT's went in the Top 20. To be honest, I dont think I saw 1 mock that had him going in the Top 12. Then you have guys like Heyward-Bey and Moreno going earlier than expected, guys like Orakpo dropping, and a bunch of teams who had bigger needs and Oher falls to 22 (I think thats where he went).

Ewok and Tracy probably know more than me, but Oher is pretty similar to 1 of the Top OT's from last year actually, Ryan Clady. Versatile and has good lateral quickness for an OT. I think Clady actually made the pro bowl last year as a rookie as well. As for Andre Smith, he's more of your prototypical mauler LT. Just look at how different Bama was without him in their bowl game as well (not saying thats the only reason they lost though). I think Smith plays a lot like ex-Raven Jonathan Odgen.

The Oher playing RT and not LT definitely makes a difference too as far as him dropping.

Where to start...Have you actually seen Oher play games at Ole Miss or are you reciting info from analysis that we all have access to?  I believe Clady did not make the pro bowl but he was 2nd team All Pro (a better honor anyways).

Oher played LT in college but will be moved to RT with the Ravens because they have Jared Gaither already.  Not sure why that would make him drop when other teams if they wanted him would have drafted him to play LT.

The Bengals did a good job filling positions we had weaknesses in on draft day but three of the seven players they drafted have "off the field issues", including big boy from bama.  So much for "changing the culture", huh?  

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QuoteI think 1 reason Oher was expected to go higher was because of people thinking of last year when I think 7 OT's went in the Top 20. To be honest, I dont think I saw 1 mock that had him going in the Top 12. Then you have guys like Heyward-Bey and Moreno going earlier than expected, guys like Orakpo dropping, and a bunch of teams who had bigger needs and Oher falls to 22 (I think thats where he went).

Ewok and Tracy probably know more than me, but Oher is pretty similar to 1 of the Top OT's from last year actually, Ryan Clady. Versatile and has good lateral quickness for an OT. I think Clady actually made the pro bowl last year as a rookie as well. As for Andre Smith, he's more of your prototypical mauler LT. Just look at how different Bama was without him in their bowl game as well (not saying thats the only reason they lost though). I think Smith plays a lot like ex-Raven Jonathan Odgen.

The Oher playing RT and not LT definitely makes a difference too as far as him dropping.

Where to start...Have you actually seen Oher play games at Ole Miss or are you reciting info from analysis that we all have access to?  I believe Clady did not make the pro bowl but he was 2nd team All Pro (a better honor anyways).

Oher played LT in college but will be moved to RT with the Ravens because they have Jared Gaither already.  Not sure why that would make him drop when other teams if they wanted him would have drafted him to play LT.

I saw Ole Miss play 2, maybe 3 games. 1 of which was the Florida game. And more games than that of Bama.

As I started off saying though, I think the biggest reason he dropped was because of the teams who he potentially could've been drafted by, and their needs. ill start at 13 because he was not going to go Top 12:

13. Redskins - Orakpo was BPA and easy pick. They already have Chris Samuels and Jon Jansen at OT anyway and dont need him.
14. Saints - Took Malcolm Jenkins, and D was their obvious weakness which is substantiated more by them not taking 1 offensive player in the draft. Already have Pro Bowler Jammal Brown at LT as well.
15. Texans - Spent 1st round pick on LT Duane Brown in 2008
16. Chargers - Have 3-year vet Marcus McNeill at LT, who made the Pro Bowl as a rookie.
17. Bucs - TB could've maybe taken him, but many mocks had them taking Josh Freeman here, so it wasnt really a surprise they went that way. Im not familiar with their LT Donald Penn, but he just turned 26 yesterday and has started 16 games each of the last 2 years. They had bigger holes than OT.
18. Broncos - Already took Knowshon, but had many holes on D. Plus, already have aforementioned Ryan Clady at LT and 2 year vet and 3rd round pick Ryan Harris at RT.
19. Eagles - Could've taken an OT, but Maclin slid and was obvious BPA, not to mention McNabb only had 1 decent option with DeSean Jackson. I think this pick gives them 1 of the most dangerous WR duos in the NFL.
20. Lions - Definitely could've taken an LT, but this is Detroit, right? So many holes, so many options. Probably just trying to give Stafford another weapon. Most people don't seem surprised they passed on Oher here, but didn't go for a defensive player.
21. Browns - Already have #1 pick Joe Thomas at LT. Also, Cleveland knew Pittsburgh's #1 choice was C Alex Mack, so do be surprised if that had some influence.
22. Vikings - Have Bryant McKinnie at LT, and judging by ADP's rushing numbers, O-Line doesnt seem like their biggest need. Berrian is overrated, if anything, and that was their only other receiving option besides Shiancoe it seemed. Percy Harvin makes their offense that much more potent.
23. ...Enter Baltimore

So most of those teams either have a very good or elite LT, or had bigger needs. That's why he dropped.

^^^^Ruckus - that seriously took like a half hour of research, so if you dont put in your 2 cents, i'll be offended  ;) ;D

Quote^^^^Ruckus - that seriously took like a half hour of research, so if you dont put in your 2 cents, i'll be offended  ;) ;D

Good job man!

When Crabtree fell, that seemed to set off the dominos because I kept hearing that Oher would go to the Bills at 11 after they traded Peters to the Iggles.  Problem with your analysis is that the Ravens have a great LT also who is 23.  They drafted Oher to play RT as I'm sure some other teams could have done since they all had diesel LTs.

Thanks for the work man.  Saved me some time [smiley=beer.gif]

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Quote^^^^Ruckus - that seriously took like a half hour of research, so if you dont put in your 2 cents, i'll be offended  ;) ;D

Good job man!

When Crabtree fell, that seemed to set off the dominos because I kept hearing that Oher would go to the Bills at 11 after they traded Peters to the Iggles.  Problem with your analysis is that the Ravens have a great LT also who is 23.  They drafted Oher to play RT as I'm sure some other teams could have done since they all had diesel LTs.

Thanks for the work man.  Saved me some time [smiley=beer.gif]

Well, I cant remember ever seeing Oher in the Top 12 in a mock, but the Bills scenario makes sense. I went to Penn St, I watched every game this past year, and Maybin is very athletic.

That said, I just had to look up who the Bills picked when you brought that up. In this case, I couldnt believe Buffalo took Maybin on Saturday because to me, he's the prototypical 3-4 pass rush OLB. As far as I know, BUF runs a 4-3, and I think he's very undersized as a 4-3 DE, even if he does have speed (he's faster than Abraham, Freeney, you name it 4-3 DE, but he's so much smaller than guys like that).

As far as what I posted team to team, I didnt list every teams RT, but I listed a few. If I didnt list it, like I said, the team just had bigger holes to fill.

Out of all those teams though, BUF passing on him might be the biggest [size=20]?[/size]. They certainly could've replaced Peters, but after getting T.O. and already having Evans and Lynch, Im assuming they felt their D was the weakness.

And this is total speculation, but maybe Puz wanted another Nittany Lion to shore up that D  :)

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Oher played LT in college but will be moved to RT with the Ravens because they have Jared Gaither already.  Not sure why that would make him drop when other teams if they wanted him would have drafted him to play LT.

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They drafted Oher to play RT as I'm sure some other teams could have done since they all had diesel LTs.

So which is it??  ;)

Playing RT as opposed to LT would make him drop because 95% of QB's are right-handed, so the LT protects their blindside.

This is why LT's are coveted, and say a guy who has only played RT or has versatility between OG and OT isnt as coveted.

As I already said, any of those teams who may have needed an RT had bigger needs to fill, and if it was close, it's because it doesn't hurt your squad near as much when you have an average OT guarding your QB's passing-side as opposed to his blindside.

I'm confused.  Oher played LT for Ole Miss.  That's his position.  He's just being moved for the Ravens.  He would be just as coveted for any team that needed a LT.  

Thanks for the righty lefty QB explanation.  I didn't know. :P

QuoteI'm confused.  Oher played LT for Ole Miss.  That's his position.  He's just being moved for the Ravens.  He would be just as coveted for any team that needed a LT.  

Thanks for the righty lefty QB explanation.  I didn't know. :P

But...didnt you just agree with me based on my explanation that almost none of those teams that drafted the 10 or so picks before #23 needed an LT?!  :-?

Trade up by a team, yeah in that case, but those teams picking from 12-23 didnt have LT as their biggest need.

Thats why he dropped.

I meant to post an icon with that last explanation bc Im sure you knew that, but what else is there to say as to why he fell to #23???

I guess that means I was right Ruckus  ;)

So no early picks?!?!!!

i'll go for:

New England
Pittsburgh
Indy
San Diego

NY G-Men
Green Bay
New Orleans
Arizona

Well, I figure Tampa, Washington (Jansen is highly overrated at RT IMHO) and Detroit were suitors but like I said, I thought that Buffalo might take him.  Either way, a great pick for the Ravens who now have a diesel OLine for a long time outside of Matt Birk at center who will be money for now but a little long in the tooth

QuoteWell, I figure Tampa, Washington (Jansen is highly overrated at RT IMHO) and Detroit were suitors but like I said, I thought that Buffalo might take him.  Either way, a great pick for the Ravens who now have a diesel OLine for a long time outside of Matt Birk at center who will be money for now but a little long in the tooth

I know you live in the B-More area, but I thought you werent a Ravens fan??

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QuoteWell, I figure Tampa, Washington (Jansen is highly overrated at RT IMHO) and Detroit were suitors but like I said, I thought that Buffalo might take him.  Either way, a great pick for the Ravens who now have a diesel OLine for a long time outside of Matt Birk at center who will be money for now but a little long in the tooth

I know you live in the B-More area, but I thought you werent a Ravens fan??

I'm not...I bleed Green baby! with a little Bears in me too (a lot)

I know the Bears just got Cutler, but - You gotta pick 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This should be fun for you, aMD.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-bengals-hardknocks&prov=ap&type=lgns

QuoteThis should be fun for you, aMD.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-bengals-hardknocks&prov=ap&type=lgns

;D

Did they pick the Bungals because no other team wanted to take this risk after Dallas looked like a bunch of arrogant fools last year who thought they already had their SB ticket punched, only to end up not even making the playoffs?

Should be interesting since Ocho Cinco will be on there. I cant believe after everything Cincy has tried to correct, and all the moves they made in the offseason to change things, they would do something like this for 2009. Actually, its the Bungals, so it doesnt surprise me.

QuoteI know the Bears just got Cutler, but - You gotta pick 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't pick one.

I will always be a Jets fan #1 but the Bears are like 1(a)

It's just the way I am and I don't fit into the whole notion of you can only be a fan of one team.  That is for another thread entirely I think because it is an absolutely unique phenomenon.

Who has the time to follow multiple teams? I have a hard enough time keeping up with all Eagles related news.

Plus it feels like cheating. What happens when 1 plays 1a, who do you root for?

QuoteWho has the time to follow multiple teams? I have a hard enough time keeping up with all Eagles related news.

Plus it feels like cheating. What happens when 1 plays 1a, who do you root for?

I know.  I get that from everyone but I won't back down.

In baseball, I'm Cubs then O's.  My main rule is that they play in different leagues.  I've moved so much and I enjoy the whole atmosphere of being part of a team loving city that I have no problem switching allegiances.  Call it what it is.

But for hockey and basketball, I only got one team.

QuoteThis should be fun for you, aMD.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-bengals-hardknocks&prov=ap&type=lgns

Fun, yeah, I don't know about all that.  I'm growing frustrated with my Bungals.  I believe they have a chance at having a good year but I think they're rolling the dice on too many "off the field issues" guys.  

Everyone raved about our draft. I liked the positions we drafted and we got good talent but we got two guys with off the field issues, one known for taking plays off, and our first overall pick didn't participate in the combine because he was too out-of-shape (his own words).  Not too mention that keeping Chad and getting rid of TJ is the opposite of what should have happened.  I hate Mike Brown like any good Bengals fan should, hopefully this show will help expose him.

Maybe this show will be good insight of how well Marvin can manage these guys.  I love the show itself, so I am kind of excited they picked the Bengals.  

I hadn't watched it before last year, but I loved watching the innerworkings of the team. I'm a Cowboys fan (I'm one of those "more than one team) guys), so it was cool to watch. And yes, it was probably really embarrassing for them after they didn't make the playoffs, because they sure as shit played up their egos in the show.

QuoteI hadn't watched it before last year, but I loved watching the innerworkings of the team. I'm a Cowboys fan (I'm one of those "more than one team) guys), so it was cool to watch. And yes, it was probably really embarrassing for them after they didn't make the playoffs, because they sure as shit played up their egos in the show.

Cowboys suck! You're QB isa choker, your coach is an idiot, and your team is a bunch of convicts.

I hope you get hit by a falling ceiling.  ;)

BTW 44-6

Well they dropped one of their convicts, Tank Johnson.  I'll bet you can't guess who picked him up! Who DEY!?

Well, the Titans are my main team, but I keep an eye on the Cowboys and the Bears. And I'll probably watch the 49ers a little more this year because of Singletary... AND, they drafted a Bama RB in the 3rd round.

QuoteWell they dropped one of their convicts, Tank Johnson.  I'll bet you can't guess who picked him up! Who DEY!?

The Bungles are like the 90's cowboys, minus the whole "winning" thing

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=rotowire-rettavreurgeryetoror&prov=rotowire&type=fantasy

Looks like Favre is having surgery.

Any thoughts on Tony K leaving MNF??

I was a fan of his. Always liked him. They are replacing him with John Gruden. I don't like John's voice and he's probably going to be very full of himself. We'll see how it goes.

QuoteAny thoughts on Tony K leaving MNF??

I was a fan of his. Always liked him. They are replacing him with John Gruden. I don't like John's voice and he's probably going to be very full of himself. We'll see how it goes.

THANK FUCKING SCIENCE that idiot is gone.

I hate that guy with a passion. If I was interested in football as celeb gossip I would like him more, but I'm not.

I'll take Gruden any day of the week over most of these idiots. It's about time they brought in another guy who actually treats football like football instead of a Jessica Simpson reality show.

I love Kornheiser on PTI, but he just wasnt good on MNF. It seemed like he tried too hard to be funny, where as I think he's hilarious on PTI when the topic is right there for him and switches every minute.

I dont know about Gruden. I watched NFLN for most of the draft, but what I did see on ESPN Gruden bothered me. Not much insight and like joey said, he sounded full of himself. They couldve done better.

Boy is ESPN eating up this Michael Vick stuff

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I was a fan of his. Always liked him. They are replacing him with John Gruden. I don't like John's voice and he's probably going to be very full of himself. We'll see how it goes.

THANK FUCKING SCIENCE that idiot is gone.

I hate that guy with a passion. If I was interested in football as celeb gossip I would like him more, but I'm not.

I'll take Gruden any day of the week over most of these idiots. It's about time they brought in another guy who actually treats football like football instead of a Jessica Simpson reality show.

Couldn't agree with you more Leon.

I watch football to watch and hear about FOOTBALL.  That's why Pat O'Brien's now on the E channel where Kornheiser belongs.

Good riddance.  Personally I think ESPN wanted to ditch him and this was a gentle way of doing it.

I see what you mean about wanting to hear about FOOTBALL, but the problem with the nfl and 99.9% of their 'expert' commentators is that they treat you like it's your first time watching a game and say the dumbest shit over and over. I don't need to have a pumpfake or a checkdown explained to me 10x a game. I don't need them to replay a simple running play 5x and draw a circle around the fullback and then an arrow thru the hole he makes, I wasn't born yesterday. Tony wasn't there to talk football, he was there to say stupid things and lighten things up because lets face it, the 'experts' are so mind numbingly repetative that it makes you want to mute. NFL broadcasts, more than any other sport, treat you like a child and I don't like that. Get ready for more of the same blah blah blah from Gruden. And yeah, I know I'm in the minority when it comes to this issue....after all, I liked Dennis Miller. :D

I would like Miller if he was around now. When he was on I was too young to understand his jokes.

QuoteI see what you mean about wanting to hear about FOOTBALL, but the problem with the nfl and 99.9% of their 'expert' commentators is that they treat you like it's your first time watching a game and say the dumbest shit over and over. I don't need to have a pumpfake or a checkdown explained to me 10x a game. I don't need them to replay a simple running play 5x and draw a circle around the fullback and then an arrow thru the hole he makes, I wasn't born yesterday. Tony wasn't there to talk football, he was there to say stupid things and lighten things up because lets face it, the 'experts' are so mind numbingly repetative that it makes you want to mute. NFL broadcasts, more than any other sport, treat you like a child and I don't like that. Get ready for more of the same blah blah blah from Gruden. And yeah, I know I'm in the minority when it comes to this issue....after all, I liked Dennis Miller. :D

Before I got to the end of your post, I was going to make a post saying they should bring Dennis Miller back  ;D 8-)

Ehh, I originally liked Miller but then realized what a gimmick he was too.  I'm sure he appealed to a certain group (of high intellect) but his smarminess is everything that football shouldn't be.  It belongs on cable news talking head channels, not covering MNF.

I agree Rogo that boilerplate football analysis can get annoying to big time fans but Kornheiser wasn't even funny.  

And I don't GIVE A SHIT about JESSICA SIMPSON!!! >:( >:( >:(

QuoteEhh, I originally liked Miller but then realized what a gimmick he was too.  I'm sure he appealed to a certain group (of high intellect) but his smarminess is everything that football shouldn't be.  It belongs on cable news talking head channels, not covering MNF.

I agree Rogo that boilerplate football analysis can get annoying to big time fans but Kornheiser wasn't even funny.  

And I don't GIVE A SHIT about JESSICA SIMPSON!!! >:( >:( >:(

I love when she comes to games vs the birds! Romo chokes HARD everytime she is there!

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And I don't GIVE A SHIT about JESSICA SIMPSON!!! >:( >:( >:(

haha yeah, Tony K was all over that.

but you kinda bring up a good point, even if you didnt mean to....

ESPN tries to be 'cool' and 'hip' and their programming has become more about the E in their name rather than the S in their name, which is a shame because they used to be the best when it came to sports alone. but can you blame them? every star athlete now is shrouded in controversy, or is banging a supermodel/diva, or is having giant sex parties on a boat, or is bashing obama, or is being selfish and coming out of retirement AGAIN... there is almost more to cover off the field than on. which is probably why Tony got the nod in the first place.

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haha yeah, Tony K was all over that.

but you kinda bring up a good point, even if you didnt mean to....

ESPN tries to be 'cool' and 'hip' and their programming has become more about the E in their name rather than the S in their name, which is a shame because they used to be the best when it came to sports alone. but can you blame them? every star athlete now is shrouded in controversy, or is banging a supermodel/diva, or is having giant sex parties on a boat, or is bashing obama, or is being selfish and coming out of retirement AGAIN... there is almost more to cover off the field than on. which is probably why Tony got the nod in the first place.

Its 24 hours sports news mate. Even CNN can't show interesting shit all time. But I totally agree with the entertainment side, it's a bullshit waste of time. No one cares about Jessica Simpson. I understand they are trying to bring in women so they can have more viewers. And with that comes, them having to try and play to their interests, which are usually superficial, Hollywood gossip. Plus what are men gonna do, stop watching football because of it? I think not.

It's just the way it is now. Look at the NBA they have female commentators now! The NFL still has them on the sidelines, but it's a matter of time. The more people watch = the more money they make. Plain and simple.

So I just got back from a sports trivia night hosted by the big sports radio station here and took it down.

My prize, a signed football by none other than the incomparable Joe Flacco! 8-)

QuoteSo I just got back from a sports trivia night hosted by the big sports radio station here and took it down.

My prize, a signed football by none other than the incomparable Joe Flacco! 8-)

BADASS!!

How many other people were in it? So was it like Stump the Schwab or something with no Schwab?!

QuoteSo I just got back from a sports trivia night hosted by the big sports radio station here and took it down.

My prize, a signed football by none other than the incomparable Joe Flacco! 8-)

Good work.  It's nice having a knowledgeable sports fan around here.

Hey thanks guys :)

Actually, their were only 8 teams in the competition.  Not the biggest sports bar around but each team had at least 4 players except mine which was just me and a buddy.

6 three question rounds with jumpball questions between rounds plus a 10 point halftime question.

Had a 50-42 lead over 2nd place going into their version of final jeopardy.  We bet the minimum necessary which was 23 because 30 was the maximum bet.

The question:

Place in order of occurrence from earliest to latest.

A.  Barry Sanders wins the Heisman
B.  The O's win their 5th AL pennant
C.  Jack Nicklaus wins his final Masters

Any takers w/o googling?

My guess would have been B,A,C

Have the Orioles even won 5 pennants?!  That has to be the earliest if so, unless it would be 3rd because it hasnt happened yet  ;D

Id guess B, C, A

For anyone who hasnt seen the recent Outside the Lines, Brandon Marshall is one crazy mofo.

I hope he drops a couple round in fantasy drafts so he lands on my team  ::)

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My prize, a signed football by none other than the incomparable Joe Flacco! 8-)

Good work.  It's nice having a knowledgeable sports fan around here.

Is this another one of your back handed comments? ::)

I swear almost everyone on this board is passive aggressive.

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My prize, a signed football by none other than the incomparable Joe Flacco! 8-)

Good work.  It's nice having a knowledgeable sports fan around here.

Is this another one of your back handed comments? ::)

I swear almost everyone on this board is passive aggressive.

Thats how I interpreted it.

No matter though, Im comfortable and confident of my sports knowledge.

NO BALLS!

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My prize, a signed football by none other than the incomparable Joe Flacco! 8-)

Good work.  It's nice having a knowledgeable sports fan around here.

Is this another one of your back handed comments? ::)

I swear almost everyone on this board is passive aggressive.

Geez, I can't even give a guy a compliment without hurting your feelings.  It's okay, you're smart too.  Maybe after this I'll take ya to Dairy Queen and buy ya an ice cream cone.  How's that sound, buddy?

For someone who seems to pride himself on being offensive, you are offended very easily.    

DeAngelo Hall doesnt like his Madden rating and wants himself pulled from the game  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

http://humorslaysme.blogspot.com/2009/06/deangelo-hall-drops-25-points.html

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My prize, a signed football by none other than the incomparable Joe Flacco! 8-)

Good work.  It's nice having a knowledgeable sports fan around here.

Is this another one of your back handed comments? ::)

I swear almost everyone on this board is passive aggressive.

Geez, I can't even give a guy a compliment without hurting your feelings.  It's okay, you're smart too.  Maybe after this I'll take ya to Dairy Queen and buy ya an ice cream cone.  How's that sound, buddy?

For someone who seems to pride himself on being offensive, you are offended very easily.    

First off: I'm not offended I could care less what you say mate.
Secondly: You're not even man enough to admit it's a backhanded comment, hence me calling you out on being passive aggressive. It seemed like it was, and if you say it isn't I'll take your word for it.

But I really don't give a rats ass either way.

QuoteDeAngelo Hall doesnt like his Madden rating and wants himself pulled from the game  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

http://humorslaysme.blogspot.com/2009/06/deangelo-hall-drops-25-points.html

63 is a pretty big insult.

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http://humorslaysme.blogspot.com/2009/06/deangelo-hall-drops-25-points.html

63 is a pretty big insult.

Tell him to stop sucking so bad!

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63 is a pretty big insult.

Its 68  ;)

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http://humorslaysme.blogspot.com/2009/06/deangelo-hall-drops-25-points.html

63 is a pretty big insult.

Its 68  ;)

That's still rough. You can find better player on the free agent list../..

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http://humorslaysme.blogspot.com/2009/06/deangelo-hall-drops-25-points.html

63 is a pretty big insult.

Its 68  ;)

That's still rough. You can find better player on the free agent list../..

Have him do the ball swat drill in the offseason and hell be up to 71 by the start of the season  ;D

Ochocinco to twitter during games?! If I was Marvin Lewis, Id slap that boy.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/gameon/2009/07/ochocinco-planning-to-tweet-during-games.html

So Id like anyone who was in the MMJ fantasy league last year, or other people who have played fantasy in this format to chime in on this.

Last year starter positions: QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, RB/WR flex, TE, K, LB, DB, LB/DL flex

In my fairly big money league with my friends, were almost certainly changing our starting positions by adding a position. I first proposed adding a RB/WR flex (so we would have 2 flexes) and basically everyone was for it, but now my one buddy is saying he doesnt like it and wants us to keep it to 1 flex but increase it to 3 WR's.

He says he wants this because he feels having 2 RB/WR overvalues RB's and makes it a RB heavy league, while also undervaluing WR's. My stance on it is it doesnt really affect that, as you should draft BPA whenever youre drafting anyway, and more than likely because of how many starting caliber RB's there are, each team will likely start 3 RB's and 3 WR's anyway because it just comes down to talent level and numbers at each position. Also, having 2 flexes just plays to each team's strength so if you having 4 RB's worthy of starting, you can do that. In addition, just now I thought how when you get to that level of player (3rd/4th RB or WR), youre generally starting based on matchup anyway so I think thats another argument for it to just be a flex.

Today it was also brought up to make the 2nd flex RB/WR/TE, although I think thats almost a moot point compared to what I just discussed since I doubt most teams will even have 2 TE's rostered let alone starting.

I remember us having a pretty lengthy discussion last year about whether we should have 1 or 2 flexes, so just wanted to see what yinz thought since we had it last year and if you liked it or not - and I guess if you think its better than 3 WR's and 1 flex. Im pretty sure I was against it before a final decision was made, but I liked it once the season started despite my being stupid and going the 4 WR route and getting owned last year  ;D

Last year was the year of the wideout...or so I thought.

If I were in your league, I'd want another Flex or keep as is. Why fuck with tradition? We're in the works of scheduling our money league draft. I guess we're getting pretty serious this year. We're getting a pretty sweet trophy. All the past winners of the last 9 years will be engraved on it. I will not be one of them.  [smiley=thumbdown.gif]

QuoteLast year was the year of the wideout...or so I thought.

If I were in your league, I'd want another Flex or keep as is. Why fuck with tradition? We're in the works of scheduling our money league draft. I guess we're getting pretty serious this year. We're getting a pretty sweet trophy. All the past winners of the last 9 years will be engraved on it. I will not be one of them.  [smiley=thumbdown.gif]

Well this is only the 2nd year my one friend has been commish (he's that guy who knew nothing but Steelers and played fantasy football for the first time in 2007. Now he actually knows football and I can talk NFL as opposed to just Steelers with him  ;D). A few friends in the league Ive been playing fantasy football with for years, but this league doesnt really have any tradition since its only 1 year old.

No champ wins for you in 9 years?? Bummer. Dont know if its keeper or not, but 1 reason Im glad I dont do keeper is because I think its hard to turn things around if youre a bottomfeeder (plus I like totally new rosters each year. the draft is half the fun). Im pretty sure I finished in 9th and either you or True finished behind me. Was it you?  ;D

So did you like how the MMJ league starting positions were then last year?? because we had 2 flexes.

I also propose we switch from defensive teams to defensive players. Takes more knowledge, and less luck is involved. Once I went IDP, I cant stand team D anymore.

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If I were in your league, I'd want another Flex or keep as is. Why fuck with tradition? We're in the works of scheduling our money league draft. I guess we're getting pretty serious this year. We're getting a pretty sweet trophy. All the past winners of the last 9 years will be engraved on it. I will not be one of them.  [smiley=thumbdown.gif]

Well this is only the 2nd year my one friend has been commish (he's that guy who knew nothing but Steelers and played fantasy football for the first time in 2007. Now he actually knows football and I can talk NFL as opposed to just Steelers with him  ;D). A few friends in the league Ive been playing fantasy football with for years, but this league doesnt really have any tradition since its only 1 year old.

No champ wins for you in 9 years?? Bummer. Dont know if its keeper or not, but 1 reason Im glad I dont do keeper is because I think its hard to turn things around if youre a bottomfeeder (plus I like totally new rosters each year. the draft is half the fun). Im pretty sure I finished in 9th and either you or True finished behind me. Was it you?  ;D

So did you like how the MMJ league starting positions were then last year?? because we had 2 flexes.

I also propose we switch from defensive teams to defensive players. Takes more knowledge, and less luck is involved. Once I went IDP, I cant stand team D anymore.

This upcoming season will be only my third year playing so i don't really have a preference yet for how its set up. I do think 12 teams was too much. I know there's a lot of people that don't come around anymore, so it would be nice if we could do ten again.

I say we keep it as it is.  I'm down with 10 or 12.

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Let me know if you guys got room

Id say almost half the league was people who very rarely come around here anymore, if at all, and have <100 posts. Maybe some will come back around for it, but Id expect there to be space.

Id say just sign up anyway when Corey starts it up in the next month.

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Id say almost half the league was people who very rarely come around here anymore, if at all, and have <100 posts. Maybe some will come back around for it, but Id expect there to be space.

Id say just sign up anyway when Corey starts it up in the next month.

Well, K's out. So there you go. I could make the league, and PM the returning people the site before we hold public auditions. I like 10, but if we do 12 again, let's have more teams make the playoffs. It would get rid of the first round bye, and keep more teams in it.  We'll more than likely do 12 again.

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Id say almost half the league was people who very rarely come around here anymore, if at all, and have <100 posts. Maybe some will come back around for it, but Id expect there to be space.

Id say just sign up anyway when Corey starts it up in the next month.

Well, K's out. So there you go. I could make the league, and PM the returning people the site before we hold public auditions. I like 10, but if we do 12 again, let's have more teams make the playoffs. It would get rid of the first round bye, and keep more teams in it.

Shit, I totally forgot about only 4 teams making the playoffs but I think basically everyone agreed we should increase the teams making the playoffs to 6 (regardless if its 10 or 12). You'd still have the 1st round bye, but I think the top 2 teams should get that anyway.

Id probably rather have 10 since we have more starters than most leagues, but Im fine with 12.

Fine by me if you just start one up on yahoo, although it might be easier for Corey to since he probably has all the scoring settings, etc. in the system (Ive never commished a league though, so maybe thats not the case). Id rather start it up and get the 10 or 12 sooner rather than later so as to be able to figure out a draft time that works for everyone.

Remember the first go around, I started it. Am I tooting my horn?, fucking right!  ;)

But it won't be a problem, because it gives you the option to use past league settings. We'll end up going with 12, and then I'd like 8 teams making the playoffs. More the merry. 1 vs 8 is pretty much a bye any old way.

8 seems like an awful lot. No bye for the top 2 teams that way either, which I think should be rewarded for great regular seasons and get a bye.

I definitely remember being pissed when I saw only 4 teams made the playoffs. I dont think anyone even realized it was only 4 and it was more of an oversight than anything

Quote8 seems like an awful lot. No bye for the top 2 teams that way either, which I think should be rewarded for great regular seasons and get a bye.

I definitely remember being pissed when I saw only 4 teams made the playoffs. I dont think anyone even realized it was only 4 and it was more of an oversight than anything

Yeah, I wasn't happy about only 4 teams. I'd just like more. I know that 1 and 2 should get rewarded, but in football there's so much backing into first or second. Fantasy football is the weakest of all fantasy sports, or the easiest one to win. A random chick could fair well, just because she went off team colors and things.

Being a Bills fan all my life all I got to say is...get your popcorn ready, its T.O. time. ;D

Im sure none of you care, but Im posting this anyway  ;D

Its in regards to what I was talking about yesterday about how having 2 flex positions doesnt overvalue RB's. IMO I own my buddy on this. I should have been on the debate team or something.

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Alright matty me boy. I told you I'd do some homework to prove to you that having 2 flex spots where you have the option to start 2 RB's does not overvalue RB's, and it took me about 10 minutes.

Exhibit A:

What I did was look at 2008 fantasy points from the W/R flex position and ordered them from most points (DeAngelo Williams) to least points (Jerheme Urban) of the top 100 players from those two positions. I did this right on yahoo under the players section, so it used our scoring system. Here's how each position breaks down:

Top 25 players: 17 RB's, 8 WR's
26th-50th: 9 RB's, 16 WR's
51st-75th: 14 RB's, 11 WR's
76th-100th: 11 RB's, 14 WR's
Total: 51 RB's, 49 WR's

(and if youre interested in knowing, the 101st-125th players, 17 WR's and 8 RB's...and based on the 100th player's point total, 12 TE's had that many points or more.)

First off, this has nothing to do with causing any position to be "overvalued" or "undervalued". The WHOLE POINT of the FLEX is to start the BEST PLAYER you have on YOUR ROSTER. Clearly by looking at the numbers, there are just as many good RB's as WR's.

The whole idea of RB's being valuable in fantasy football has to do with what you see with the Top 25 players - most of them are RB's, and 12 of the top 15 were RB's last year. These guys are getting drafted in the first few rounds regardless of the flex, so this has no impact on them. Past this point, there are actually more WR's in the top 100 than RB's, so its actually most likely teams will start 3 RB's and 3 WR's (or even 4 WR's and 2 RB's). Once you get to your flex starters, you start playing them based on matchup anyway because they arent stud players cant bench, so 2 RB/WR flexes just lets you have more options with this as well.

Matt seems to think if we have the ability to start 4 RB's, everyone is going to. I have no idea why he thinks that, but he does. I figure everyone will just start their best players, that makes the most sense to me. He also thinks this makes RB's more "valuable", which I dont get. I dont understand why he wants balance ( and FWIW, we didnt even have balance last year since each week everyone started either 1 more RB or 1 more WR). Why would you rather have balance as opposed to starting the best guys on your roster?! All having both flexes be WR/RB (or WR/RB/TE) does is allow you to start the best players on your team, whether they be RB's or WR's.

Dude, this argument is like A Few Good Men. Im Tom Cruise, your Jack Nicholson. If after what I just wrote you still think youre right, YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!

the major difference between RB or WR is WRs are more of a gamble.  Every WR is going to have a couple games where they sore less than 5 fantasy points, however, it's very unusual for a starting RB to have that few points.  On the other hand, WRs can explode for huge games and win games single-handedly for you some weeks but with a RB you get more consistency.  That's my take anyway. I like having the choice though, it means more choices need to be made and you can play around with your starters more.

Was ruckus with us last year?  I don't think there were that many people who aren't around anymore.  K is out, we know that.  Going down to ten would be nice, but I would like to let Ruckus in, he knows his sports and hates Favre almost as much as me!

Off the top of my head last year:

-myself
-walts
-true
-K
-amd
-corey
-bowl
-crispy
-killgies

...thats 9 and thats all I can remember at the moment. Killgies never seems to be around anymore.

QuoteOff the top of my head last year:

-myself
-walts
-true
-K
-amd
-corey
-bowl
-crispy
-killgies

...thats 9 and thats all I can remember at the moment. Killgies never seems to be around anymore.

You forgot JonT, he's still around and was with us the first year.  Come to think of it, he won last year.

And again, no K this year. So we're bak to nine.  Add Ruckus and that's 10.

Oh, I just remember Chris/bama37/Corey's brother.  He won the first the first year.  We may have to stretch it to 12.  It may be time to email Corey.

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-corey
-bowl
-crispy
-killgies

...thats 9 and thats all I can remember at the moment. Killgies never seems to be around anymore.

You forgot JonT, he's still around and was with us the first year.  Come to think of it, he won last year.

Fuckin A right, I did.  

(is it too soon to talk smack?)

I'm in if you have room.  If not don't sweat it.  In the league I was in last year I had Cutler and Romo.  I could have kept Cutler for this year since he was drafted fairly low, but I traded him last year for Brandon Jacobs and Jamaal Lewis because I had NO running game (I had Willie Parker and Larry Johnson and who knows who else before that).  I traded him while he was still super-hot but I figured Romo would ultimately be better and more consistent.  Then Cutler got traded to the Bears, my favorite team.  I wish I'da kept him now!

I just got home after being away for 2 weeks, so I'm trying to catch up with the internet. I also just woke up from a nap because I've been driving from California to Alabama since Monday morning, so I'm pretty pooped.

I don't necessarily have a preference on how we handle all of this stuff. I need to read back through these messages and try to decipher all of this.

Seems like we had some opposition from someone last year when I mentioned the possibility of adding a defensive player, but I don't remember who that was. Anyone?

Holy shit, I can't wait for football season.

I know it wasnt me. I think in the post I first started talking about fantasy football with, I said I'd rather lose the team defense and have 3 defensive players instead.

I checked a little while ago and I should be able to get into our league from last year by renewing it... if I can remember the login and password. I think I made it something pretty simple, so it shouldn't be a big deal.

QuoteI checked a little while ago and I should be able to get into our league from last year by renewing it... if I can remember the login and password. I think I made it something pretty simple, so it shouldn't be a big deal.

That'd be sweet if we could use the same site. It keeps all-time records, not that I need to see how bad I did. And free stat-tracker this year!

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Seems like we had some opposition from someone last year when I mentioned the possibility of adding a defensive player, but I don't remember who that was. Anyone?

Probably was me, but I think there was more man-drama with the Flex spot.


Here's a thought... we could have two leagues. I think we could get two leagues of ten people. I'd be in two if it came down to it, and I'm sure some other people would do the same.

Interesting idea. Kind of throws bragging rights out the window if you finish close to last in 1 and win the other league though  ;D

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That'd be sweet if we could use the same site. It keeps all-time records, not that I need to see how bad I did. And free stat-tracker this year!

Free stat-tracker? Nice!

I'm down for two leagues but it doesn't seem like we have a ton of people wanting in.  With Hawkeye we now have 12, we still have time to play it by ear though.

I'm not so sure about DEF players, seems like a crap shoot.  Maybe one league could use team DEF and the other not.

Do we really have enough people for 2 leagues?

Also, if I can renew last years league, will it let me delete K to make room for someone else? Does anyone know?

When I set up the league last year, I tried to renew the league from the previous season, but wasn't able to for some reason. Hopefully it won't be an issue this time around.

I just renewed a league from last year and it's super easy.  It'll ask you if you want to send an invite to all last year's members and lists their email addresses.  You'll just have to figure out which one is his address and uncheck the box next to it.  You'll see what I mean.

Word. I'll check on that in the next couple of hours.

Ok. Looks like it's not going to be a big deal to renew. It asked if I wanted to import the settings from last year's league or create custom settings. So what do you guys think?  

I'll go back and renew it once we figure out what we want to do with it.

I would go ahead and renew.  You can always change the settings later.  I vote for team DEF

We're renewed. You guys should be getting notifications.

This is the date I entered for the draft. Of course, it can change if we need it to:
Thu Aug 27 6:00pm CDT

Sweet, I'm in!

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I'm not so sure about DEF players, seems like a crap shoot.  Maybe one league could use team DEF and the other not.

Team D is actually more hit or miss IMO even if you have a good one. Plus, I dont think the scoring system for it is all that great, i.e. you D could give up 6 points put only get you like 5 fantasy points.

If you have LB's who annually amass a lot of tackles, DE's who get a lot of sacks, etc., theyre pretty consistent. Its much less of a crapshoot than Team D. The first year I played in my buddy's league I didnt like the idea of it, but now I never play Team D if its up to me.

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I'm not so sure about DEF players, seems like a crap shoot.  Maybe one league could use team DEF and the other not.

Team D is actually more hit or miss IMO even if you have a good one. Plus, I dont think the scoring system for it is all that great, i.e. you D could give up 6 points put only get you like 5 fantasy points.

If you have LB's who annually amass a lot of tackles, DE's who get a lot of sacks, etc., theyre pretty consistent. Its much less of a crapshoot than Team D. The first year I played in my buddy's league I didnt like the idea of it, but now I never play Team D if its up to me.

My point is that if you have a decent DEF you can count on about 5-20 points from that category each week.  However, even if you have a great DE like Osi, there's going to be 4 or 5 games when he gets no points.  I don't know what the scoring is like for individual DEF but if Osi explodes for 6 sacks, which he's capable of, that's probably a lot of points. I just hate for each week to hinge of whether or not maybe DEF has a good week. Plus, it screws up my drafting strategy!

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Team D is actually more hit or miss IMO even if you have a good one. Plus, I dont think the scoring system for it is all that great, i.e. you D could give up 6 points put only get you like 5 fantasy points.

If you have LB's who annually amass a lot of tackles, DE's who get a lot of sacks, etc., theyre pretty consistent. Its much less of a crapshoot than Team D. The first year I played in my buddy's league I didnt like the idea of it, but now I never play Team D if its up to me.

My point is that if you have a decent DEF you can count on about 5-20 points from that category each week.  However, even if you have a great DE like Osi, there's going to be 4 or 5 games when he gets no points.  I don't know what the scoring is like for individual DEF but if Osi explodes for 6 sacks, which he's capable of, that's probably a lot of points. I just hate for each week to hinge of whether or not maybe DEF has a good week. Plus, it screws up my drafting strategy!

5-20 points is a big point range  ;D

I almost never take DE's because of what you said and LB's are included in the DLine category, so its not mandatory to have a DE on your roster. Your example of 6 sacks is fairly unrealistic, but if thats what he got and only that, in my money league's scoring that would equate to 27 points (and if he forced a fumble, more than that).

If youre starting 2 starter-worthy LBs and a DB who gets tackles, youre probably getting 15-20 points at worst with a normal ceiling of 30-35.

Drafting strategy is minimal (basically like team D - the best guys will start to go after your offensive starters are filled, good IDPs a few rounds after), and every year there are always guys who come out of nowhere and can be gotten off the WW. Guys like Barrett Ruud, Chad Greenway, and Jerod Mayo are perfect examples. Where people go wrong in fantasy with IDP's is going by name and thinking Urlacher or Derrick Brooks would be great, however those 3 guys I named are all better fantasy wise.

I think anyone who has played with IDP's before will agree with me on this. Im not trying to sway you, just inform you. I find IDP's to be a lot more fun too. I find myself actually switching to games on DirecTV during commercials etc. just because I have a LB on that team  ;D  I think most fantasy guys do this with WRs, RBs, etc, but having a guy on a defense has become the same thing for me. I thinked I switched to as many Lions games as Saints games last year, just to watch Megatron and Jonathan Vilma.

There's no enjoyment in Team D for me, I enjoy picking/paying attention to kickers more than fantasy team defenses. If youre as hardcore fantasy football as you seem, I think youd like having defensive players.

In the league I commish I added special teams categories to team DEF so you get points for return yards and special teams TDs.  That makes it more interesting.  I have a hard time believing that your team DEF getting a pick-six means nothing to you.  I also imagine it's easier to score a pick-six when you have a whole team playing for you.

But I've never done it so maybe I just fear change. It sounds interesting but changes the face of our league.  What does everyone else think?

I'm with you AMD in that I've actually never played with IDPs though many of my friends have.  They seem to enjoy it a lot.  But that's neither here nor there because I'm not in the league.

Corey,

Please PM me with league info if there is an open spot.

Thanks :)

I'm kinda liking the idea of a single DEF player. There's my $.02.

Was there someone else in line to get in our league? I need to check. If not, then Ruckus is in.

EDIT: I just read back through the last several pages. Ruckus was first in line. Since K isn't on the board anymore, I'll send you the info.

Also, when it gets closer to time, we'll probably need to start a separate thread about the Fantasy league so that people that want to actually discuss football don't have to read through all of our BS about the fantasy league.  :)

I don't see the appeal of doing just one defensive player.  That really seems like a crap shoot.  If we do it i think we ought to go all out.

Capt almost has me convinced. If you all want to do it, I'm down.

QuoteI don't see the appeal of doing just one defensive player.  That really seems like a crap shoot.  If we do it i think we ought to go all out.

Capt almost has me convinced. If you all want to do it, I'm down.

I agree. Ive played 3 IDP's in every league Ive done it in, and if we do IDP's I say do 3 (although I wouldnt be opposed to 1 more either).

The 3 fantasy positions Ive always used are: DL, LB, and DB.

DLine includes DE's, DT's, NT's, and LB's. You could make it just D (a defensive flex instead), but no one will start more than the necessary DB's in all liklihood, so its pointless.

Ahh, it feels so good  8-)

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I love getting my football news from TMZ!

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/21/ben-roethlisberger-accused-of-sexual-assault/

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http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/21/ben-roethlisberger-accused-of-sexual-assault/

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I think it's all BS, she's just trying to get some money.

Yeah True, I think it's BS. I really don't think any pro has to work at getting some.


I'm getting excited for Farve to come to camp. Training camp is held here in Mankato, and I'm sure there will be a media circus.  8-)

I don't know what to think of the whole Favre thing.  In a way I want him to come back, because it would just make the division that much more interesting...but, Sage Rosenfels is from my home town so I really wanna see him play too.  I think if he was given a whole season to start he would turn into a really solid QB.  He's been really solid as a backup, besides a few bonehead plays.

Vick to the Eagles. This hasn't been discussed yet.

Also... for aMD, are you watching the Bengals on Hard Knocks on HBO?  b

QuoteVick to the Eagles. This hasn't been discussed yet.

Also... for aMD, are you watching the Bengals on Hard Knocks on HBO?  b

No! I don't have HBO right now and it's killing me.  Tell me everything!  Please!  

I saw a trailer online and it looked good and bad.  The preseason game is a bit of the same.   I don't know what will happen this year but it WILL be interesting.

It's interesting so far. I figured they'd spend a good deal of time discussing Palmer and his injury from last year and trying to come back from that, but they didn't.  
They talked about the horrible year the team had and stuff like that. Spent about 5 minutes (maybe a little less) discussing how Andre Smith still wasn't in camp*. They detailed Ocho Cinco's obsession with Twitter and Ustream and he gave an explanation of "Child, Please" for the folks that don't know what it means. :)

*I'm really pissed off about this. Rookies need some sort of salary cap so they can't go in making demands when they haven't proven themselves in the pros. It's really frustrating to watch. He's a Bama boy and I want to see him do well, but he's acting like a baby.

I agree with that quote.  I would have never drafted him.  Or kept ochocinco and shipped TJ for that matter, but whatever.  I'm torn because I really think they have a good chance at a good season but I'm pissed about some of their moves.  Our biggest question mark is the O-line, which looked pretty good last night without the big boy from bama.  And I don't think we can endure 25 players on IR including our franchise QB, like last year.

Andre would be an asset to the team if he would just get his head out of his ass. I really hate watching this situation.

I'm curious to see how OchoCinco will fare this year.

So, who is surprised by the Favre announcement?

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damnit, now i need to re-do my homemade cheatsheets  >:(

makes the vikes division contenders though whereas Green Bay was clearly the best team in the division prior to it

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QuoteSo, who is surprised by the Favre announcement?

damnit, now i need to re-do my homemade cheatsheets  >:(

makes the vikes division contenders though whereas Green Bay was clearly the best team in the division prior to it

Newsflash, Cap'n: Favre sucks.  All this makes the Vikings is an interesting trainwreck.  He's washed up and has shown that to be the case the past two seasons.  Does anyone really think he gives them a better chance at winning this year?  The only thing he'll lead the league in this year is interceptions, mark my words.

Tavaris Jackson is a question mark, but there's no question marks about Favre.  He may have a good first half, but come playoff time he'll look like the same old washed up EX-gun-slinger who crapped out the past two seasons.  I can't believe the Vikings are letting him join up, they deserve what's coming to them.

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damnit, now i need to re-do my homemade cheatsheets  >:(

makes the vikes division contenders though whereas Green Bay was clearly the best team in the division prior to it

Newsflash, Cap'n: Favre sucks.  All this makes the Vikings is an interesting trainwreck.  He's washed up and has shown that to be the case the past two seasons.  Does anyone really think he gives them a better chance at winning this year?  The only thing he'll lead the league in this year is interceptions, mark my words.

Tavaris Jackson is a question mark, but there's no question marks about Favre.  He may have a good first half, but come playoff time he'll look like the same old washed up EX-gun-slinger who crapped out the past two seasons.  I can't believe the Vikings are letting him join up, they deserve what's coming to them.

I agree aMD.  I bet he won't make week 6.  Vikings O-line sucks and is built for run blocking.  If all he's doing is handing off he might last the season.  I'm just glad my Bears get one more chance to knock the shit out of  him.  He's killed us for many many years.  You KNOW  the Packers want piece of that ass also.

Last year he definitely ran out of gas, but 2007 he was good until the end. I dont think you can blame him for losing to NYG in the NFC Champ game. I dont remember Ryan Grant doing too much that game. And I just checked, Grant had 29 yards that game. Plus that D was too good.

Granted, that was his only good year in the last 5 years, but if I were the Vikings Id rather have him than Travis Jackson or Sage Rosenfels.

Bombs to Bernard Berrian could be trouble though  ;D

Did you watch the Vikes' preseason game?  Rosenfels was solid.  He would have been solid all year if the Vikes gave him a chance.  How are he and Jackson supposed to feel now?  I know, I know, it's a man's game, but I'd feel a little cheated honestly.  Childress keeps saying he's happy with his QB's but obviously not.  I think this is just plain stupid on the Vikings part.  Favre MIGHT give them one decent year, but that's it.  Then what?  They're back to where they were without him.  Clearly they're thinking of this year, not the future, but I think he's going to hurt them more than help them this year anyway.  BEAR DOWN...I hope the Bears take him out for the season...too bad we don't play the Vikes until November.

QuoteLast year he definitely ran out of gas, but 2007 he was good until the end. I dont think you can blame him for losing to NYG in the NFC Champ game. I dont remember Ryan Grant doing too much that game. And I just checked, Grant had 29 yards that game. Plus that D was too good.

Granted, that was his only good year in the last 5 years, but if I were the Vikings Id rather have him than Travis Jackson or Sage Rosenfels.

Bombs to Bernard Berrian could be trouble though  ;D

If he was as good as everybody says he is then he SHOULD have beat the Giants in Lambeau in the cold.  But he looked like an old, cold QB who couldn't cut it.  

Bengals play the Vikes in week 14.  That'll be fun, if Brett's not back in Mississippi by then.

They lost by what, 3 points? To the team that beat the unbeatable Cheaters.

His numbers in that game are pretty similar comp/att and yardage wise. Eli threw no picks or TD's, Favre threw 2 of each. I dont think anyone thinks Farve's as good as he was 10 years ago, but I dont think many people think he's worse than Rosenfels outside of Minnesota being better off with a game manager.

And like I said, Ryan Grant had 29 yards that game. Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw had 130 yards and 2 TDs combined.

Whether you like or hate Farve, the difference in that game was clearly the running game of each team.

QuoteThey lost by what, 3 points? To the team that beat the unbeatable Cheaters.

His numbers in that game are pretty similar comp/att and yardage wise. Eli threw no picks or TD's, Favre threw 2 of each. I dont think anyone thinks Farve's as good as he was 10 years ago, but I dont think many people think he's worse than Rosenfels outside of Minnesota being better off with a game manager.

And like I said, Ryan Grant had 29 yards that game. Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw had 130 yards and 2 TDs combined.

Whether you like or hate Farve, the difference in that game was clearly the running game of each team.

Right, he wasn't the difference in the game, that's the point.  You would think that a QB, who some claim is one of the top 5 of all-time, would be the difference in the playoffs at home when it was counted.  He wasn't the difference then and he won't be now for the Vikings.  Just like in that game, he'll probably have as many TDs as INTs.  btw, that's not a good game. 2 TD and 2 INTs. If he had won the game by 3 points everyone would have given him the credit.  Just like they give him WAY too much credit for the only superbowl win he had. Desmond Howard was the MVP of that game.  Anyone picking him up this year?

And I don't believe the Vikings are bringing him in to "manage games", and you KNOW he didn't come out of retirement just to hand off to Adrian Peterson all day, so what's your point.  He'll lead them to a championship unless he runs into a good running game?

He is, at best, a workable backup QB as he is right now (39, coming off surgery and still with a torn rotator cuff).  And he is being treated like a god amongst men.  Steve McNair got banned from the complex when he was done, but Brett can retire, come back, retire, come back, say he's retired so he doesn't have to go to camp, and then come back.  He doesn't deserve that.  Not for the player he was then and certainly not for the player he is now.

Sometimes lost in this Favre mandrama is the pass he is given on his intentions here.  From many a past posts, I clearly fall in line with aMD here.  There have been some people that crunched the numbers from his successful campaign two years ago and it is a wonder the number of dropped INTs he had that year as well as jump balls thrown that went his way.  It is the same Favre that finally showed up late in the Giants game and OT.  It was no surprise.  Just another classic chuck that brings up another one of my hated sportsisms.  It was a rookie mistake vs. his veteran experience.

Veterans make shitty mistakes all the time but aren't called out on it.  That was the ultimate "ROOKIE MISTAKE".  Yet when an inexperienced player makes a simple mistake, it's a "ROOKIE MISTAKE."  It's like all announcers and ex players get off on saying this when it means nothing.  Rant possibly over :P

Back to my original point.  Douchebag #1 is returning to show up Ted Thompson.  That a player's ego can get so big as to ignore how pathetic he looks and more importantly, to disregard the Packers fans that loyally followed him and supported him for so long is unthinkable.

Can you imagine Roethlisberger signing with the Ravens at the end of his career just to spite Rooney or Colbert.  Ridiculous >:( >:( >:(

Hope da Bears kill him.

Oh, and I feel as if Rosenfels would be just fine.  I've always like him as a solid QB who never got a fair shake though he sometimes gets overagressive with his mediocre arm.

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And I don't believe the Vikings are bringing him in to "manage games", and you KNOW he didn't come out of retirement just to hand off to Adrian Peterson all day, so what's your point.  He'll lead them to a championship unless he runs into a good running game?

He is, at best, a workable backup QB as he is right now (39, coming off surgery and still with a torn rotator cuff).  And he is being treated like a god amongst men.

My point is he's better than what the Vikes had.

I didnt say they got him to manage games, I said the general perception is that the Vikes would be better off with a game manager QB, as opposed to a gunslinger, because of their great run game and run D.

Ive been annoyed with all this media drama with him the last 18 months as much as anyone, just like all the talk about whose gonna sign Vick 24/7, but the fact of the matter is even though he's a shell of himself, hes still better than Rosenfels or Jackson (who it sounds like theyre getting rid of).

And I sure as shit will love watching his games vs. GB this year.

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Can you imagine Roethlisberger signing with the Ravens at the end of his career just to spite Rooney or Colbert.  Ridiculous >:( >:(

This would never happen because #1) Roeth wouldnt cause all this drama. Hed retire and be done with it. #2) Just like Hines Ward, Bettis, and those before them, the Rooney's will keep him around until he retires, even if it means a couple of years of mediocrity.

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And I don't believe the Vikings are bringing him in to "manage games", and you KNOW he didn't come out of retirement just to hand off to Adrian Peterson all day, so what's your point.  He'll lead them to a championship unless he runs into a good running game?

He is, at best, a workable backup QB as he is right now (39, coming off surgery and still with a torn rotator cuff).  And he is being treated like a god amongst men.

My point is he's better than what the Vikes had.

I didnt say they got him to manage games, I said the general perception is that the Vikes would be better off with a game manager QB, as opposed to a gunslinger, because of their great run game and run D.

Ive been annoyed with all this media drama with him the last 18 months as much as anyone, just like all the talk about whose gonna sign Vick 24/7, but the fact of the matter is even though he's a shell of himself, hes still better than Rosenfels or Jackson (who it sounds like theyre getting rid of).

And I sure as shit will love watching his games vs. GB this year.

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Can you imagine Roethlisberger signing with the Ravens at the end of his career just to spite Rooney or Colbert.  Ridiculous >:( >:(

This would never happen because #1) Roeth wouldnt cause all this drama. Hed retire and be done with it. #2) Just like Hines Ward, Bettis, and those before them, the Rooney's will keep him around until he retires, even if it means a couple of years of mediocrity.

Still don't get your point, Capn.  Now you're saying the Vikes are pretty off with Favre because he's a game manager not a gunslinger?  If so, I'll have to ask if you've ever seen Favre play?  Or know that he has more INTs than any other player to ever play the game?

A game manager he is not.  His gunslinger days are over!  I don't understand why you or anyone think he would be better than Rosenfels or Jackson.  But then again I was asking myself the same question when people said the Jets were better off than with Pennington.  And I also asked myself the same question when people said the Packers were better off with Favre than with Aaron Rodgers.  Some of us learn from history, others seem to have their heads wedged too far up Brett Favre's ass to see clearly.

Okay, now I'm done until I have even more reason to say I told you so about Favre again!

Ok, here's what Im trying to say:

-Farve is better than any QB they have, right now. Rosenfels is the only one even close, but I still think theyre better with Farve

-Most people think considering how good the Vikes run game and run D is, theyd be better off with a game managing QB who wouldnt turn the ball over so much - say like, Jason Campbell.

-Farve is not that kind of QB, but despite that thought which I probably agree with, I still think theyre better off with Farve as their QB


As for the the other situations you mention, the Pennington one was questionable. However, he never got it done really in NY despite having some pretty solid teams around him. Part of his success with Miami is rendered in him playing in a climate like that, just like some of his struggles in NY were due to the tough weather there in Nov and Dec. Dont remember what NYJ got in return for him, but it was probably a solid move on both sides.

The only thing holding GB back from getting rid of him was he was/is a legend and future HOF'er there, and you dont do that to guys like that, especially in a town/organization like GB, but Farve's retirement riverdancing helped substantiate that move some. They spent a 1st round pick on Rodgers, he sat for I think 2 years, and they had above average skill position players and a solid OLine in place for him to succeed as soon as he started. When you throw emotional ties out the window, thats an easy decision for GB.

I dont hate Farve, but I dont like him enough to cloud my vision concerning what he is at this point, and he's better then Herbie Rosenfels, Travis Jackson, and Nascar David Booty, who are also are clearly worse than Pennington or Rodgers.

Got good seats to see my boy Mark Sanchez strut his stuff on Monday night against the Ravens next week.  I know, I know it's only preseason but obviously our QB situation has much to do with how we hold up in the AFC East this season.  The return of Rex Ryan, Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard adds intrigue.

QuoteGot good seats to see my boy Mark Sanchez strut his stuff on Monday night against the Ravens next week.  I know, I know it's only preseason but obviously our QB situation has much to do with how we hold up in the AFC East this season.  The return of Rex Ryan, Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard adds intrigue.

at least its game 3 though. youll get at least a half for the starters, probably more for at least Sanchez.

One made up word:

OCHOCINCO!!!!!

QuoteOne made up word:

OCHOCINCO!!!!!

Child please

Andre Smith finally signed. I know he's made some poor decisions this year (the shirt incident, who he lets represent him legally, etc), but I hope he does well for the Bungals. They don't seem to have their shit together in the front office.

Tampa looks like a train wreck... ;D

QuoteOne made up word:

OCHOCINCO!!!!!

care less for the guy but he has MAD SKILLZ!!!!!

QuoteAndre Smith finally signed. I know he's made some poor decisions this year (the shirt incident, who he lets represent him legally, etc), but I hope he does well for the Bungals. They don't seem to have their shit together in the front office.

His training they were showing on Hard Knocks was pretty damn funny I thought. I realize OL are huge, but he just looked out of shape.

Bears looked pretty decent last night.  Wow Cutler was getting booed hard!  Totally expected, but he seemed to handle it well.  Forte looks good.  After several years of horrible draft picks, the Bears finally got one right with Forte.  And they finally have a QB.  Probably still not a Super Bowl caliber team, but at least they will be tolerable to watch this year.  I couldn't take much more of watching Grossman/Orton throw predictable 3-5 yard passes all game...man was that frustrating!

Andre Smith fractured his foot. HA. HA.

Lawrence Timmons has a high ankle sprain and might miss the big opener vs. Tennessee  :'(

If this is not one fucked up pre-season, then I don't know what is.

Looks like Culpepper could miss Week 1 as well.

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Lawrence Timmons has a high ankle sprain and might miss the big opener vs. Tennessee  :'(

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HA. HA.

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Lawrence Timmons has a high ankle sprain and might miss the big opener vs. Tennessee  :'(

HA. HA.

kiss the rings, biyatch

Get over yourself. I don't actually laugh over injuries, I was only trying to give you a taste of your own classless medicine. That's what I get for stooping to your level. Enjoy your cheap beer and shitty fucking town, dipshit.

I thought it was funny Smith heldout because he thinks he awesome before even playing a down in the NFL. The fact that he's on the Bungals is just bonus.

And you can keep hating on Pittsburgh just like everyone else from cities with teams that suck. Its alright, I dont mind. Best sportsfans in the nation.

Smith has his issues, sure, but you can't entirely blame the holdout on him. The Bungals were trying to low-ball him as they have a history of doing.

His contract was also pretty complicated. Apparently if he gets over 350 he can lose half his contract. He also gets docked if he falls off the 48-man roster. And they have an option for a 3-year extension.  I could see how those terms might have taken some negotiating.

Bucs vs Texans  3 turnovers, 8 seconds into the game. Shitty football at its FINEST ! ;) ;)

QuoteBucs vs Texans  3 turnovers, 8 seconds into the game. Shitty football at its FINEST ! ;) ;)

WOW!  How did that happen?  Guess I'll catch the highlights

I worked at this bar when I was in college, the owner is something else (in a good way)

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The owner of a sports bar in Mankato now also owns not a Whizzinator but the Whizzinator.

By MICHAEL RAND, Star Tribune

Last update: August 31, 2009 - 12:16 AM

Matt Little called his sister over the weekend and told her, "You'll never guess what I just bought." He then asked her if she had heard of the Original Whizzinator that had been in the news.

"She said, 'Yeah, some idiot paid $750 for that thing.' I said, 'Yeah, that was me,'" Little said with a laugh Sunday night.

Little, 26, owns Buster's, a sports bar in Mankato. He is the mystery man who purchased the Whizzinator that ex-Viking Onterrio Smith was so famously detained with at the Minneapolis-St. Paul airport in 2005. That piece of inglorious local sports history -- a device with a prosthetic penis attached to a jock strap and filled with "clean" urine to help pass a drug test -- was up for auction Friday night in Shakopee.

Little couldn't be in attendance for the auction, but he sent an agent to make the purchase for him. He said he wouldn't have bought it "if the price had been 10 grand," but overall his motivation was fairly simple.

"We're a sports bar, and I'm a sports collector," Little said. "I'd love to have the Original Whizzinator on display. ... I'm going to use it."

Use it right now? Little laughed.

"It's out in the truck," he said. "I'd feel a little weird if I had it in my hand right now."

But soon, the Whizzinator will be out in the open at Buster's and will be featured prominently in some of the bar's rather risque promotions. One would imagine it will attract curiosity seekers -- particularly next summer during Vikings training camp in Mankato.

So Little considers it money well spent, even if his sister didn't.

"I'm a promotions guy. I'll try anything once," he said. "Even saying the name, you have to laugh."

The greatest promotion of all? Little is already thinking about that.

"We're going to try to get Onterrio down here," Little said. "There might be some sentimental value. He might want to come down to see it."

Nice  ;D

Not a bad price either for something like that youd think.

Onterrio Smith, he didnt go to Oregon by chance, did he?  ::)

This made me throw up in my mouth a little. Brady has a logo.

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QuoteThis made me throw up in my mouth a little. Brady has a logo.

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I think Brady can do whatever he wants. Must be nice.  :-/

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Shawne Merriman arrested on suspicion of choking and restraining his girlfriend, Tila Tequila.

Man, his career has really gone downhill the last couple years.

Oh yeah, Patsies traded Richard Seymour to Oakland for their 2011 1st round pick. I hope da Raiders get a lot better tha next couple of years so its not like the 4th pick of the draft.

That said, I think this is the 1st time the Pats overextended their idea of value and rebuilding. Outside of possibly Wilfork, Seymour was the MVP of that D (although Mayo could take that description soon). Brady and Welker are in their prime, Moss is in his twilight, and Seymour isnt even 30. Im not saying the Pats still cant win a SB this year or anything, but they moved Seymour a couple years too early. He's an impact player, and finding a 3-4 DE is one of the toughest position to find since basically no colleges play a 3-4.

Patsies probably end up with a great, possibly uncapped, pick in 2011, but considering the team they have, IMO it makes no sense to get rid of a guy like Seymour.

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I think Brady can do whatever he wants. Must be nice.  :-/

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8-)

but for the record...if Tom Brady gets hurt this mancrush thing is over!

Almost had to work on Sunday at my part-time job. I took every Sunday off, and my boss (female) asked me why? I told her because football is starting, and she was totally cool with it. All she said was that's understandable.

QuoteAlmost had to work on Sunday at my part-time job. I took every Sunday off, and my boss (female) asked me why? I told her because football is starting, and she was totally cool with it. All she said was that's understandable.

I always say its against my religion  ;D

QuoteOh yeah, Patsies traded Richard Seymour to Oakland for their 2011 1st round pick. I hope da Raiders get a lot better tha next couple of years so its not like the 4th pick of the draft.

That said, I think this is the 1st time the Pats overextended their idea of value and rebuilding. Outside of possibly Wilfork, Seymour was the MVP of that D (although Mayo could take that description soon). Brady and Welker are in their prime, Moss is in his twilight, and Seymour isnt even 30. Im not saying the Pats still cant win a SB this year or anything, but they moved Seymour a couple years too early. He's an impact player, and finding a 3-4 DE is one of the toughest position to find since basically no colleges play a 3-4.

Patsies probably end up with a great, possibly uncapped, pick in 2011, but considering the team they have, IMO it makes no sense to get rid of a guy like Seymour.

I'm not sure if I like this deal. The Raiders need SERIOUS help on run defense, but he's only guaranteed through this season. He'll be playing for his next contract, so we'll almost certainly get one great season out of him, but I have a feeling that he won't be signing with Oakland next year.  ;)  :-/

I'm hopeful for some sign of improvement this season...the past six have been disgusting. If we can beat the Cowboys on Thanksgiving, and win 6 or 7 more games, I'll consider this a good season for where we're at. We've got NFC East and AFC North teams on the schedule this year though, so a better record than last season might be a tall order... :-/

I dont like it for either side. Pats were stupid to trade him since their time to win is right now, and a team that shouldve tried to get Seymour is one that is a player or 2 away from a superbowl shot, not da Raidas

If only Bill Bellichek knew as much as you about football...

::)

QuoteIf only Bill Bellichek knew as much as you about football...

::)

;D

What a game....that was like playoff football the first game of the season.

I have no idea what Tennessee was thinking with CJ3. Broke some big runs early, and then it was like they abandoned him from halfway thru the 2nd quarter until some point in the 4th...bad call on their part IMO.

Justin Gage looked good. Id pick him up in our league if I had someone to drop.

I hope Santonio proves me wrong and will be a reliable #1 WR consistently this year. Judging by our shit show of a running game, we need it.

I think Heath Miller got a career high in targets tonight. I love it.

All you people who called me crazy when I ranked Ben Roeth the #2 or #3 QB before last year started can kiss my taint. In the words of Biggie Smalls, if you dont know, now you know.

Oh yeah, I was going to be kind and give you a McNair avatar, but here's youre avatar Corey. Feel free to post a lot the next 10 days:

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Helluva game. Bironas' missed field goal in the first quarter would have been the difference. I still can't believe he missed that one. Very unlike him.

You're right about the Titans not giving CJ the ball more. What the hell were they thinking?  

I think that Big Ben will be known by his sacks like Favre is known for his interceptions. He'll still be revered as a good QB, but there will always be an asterisk beside it.

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that's a great point. Broncos fan here and there was really no knock on Elway's game, as with the other greats, Montana, Marino, P. Manning, Brady.

R'berger is an ok QB who's been in the right place at the right time to get SB wins (last year it was b/c Brady was down). The way he holds the ball sometimes like a deer in headlights is absurd. Maybe he'll get rid of that with age.

QuoteHelluva game. Bironas' missed field goal in the first quarter would have been the difference. I still can't believe he missed that one. Very unlike him.

You could say the same exact thing about Hines Ward's fumble. We had the win before OT if he doesnt do that.

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I think that Big Ben will be known by his sacks like Favre is known for his interceptions. He'll still be revered as a good QB, but there will always be an asterisk beside it.

I dont agree with you or BSRug at all here. Yes, he holds on to the ball too long sometimes, but if you watched him every week, you'd see how many plays he makes during those occasions. I find myself almost every week yelling at the TV for him to throw the ball away, and then he completes a 15 yard pass. Its just how he plays, and Ive learned to not be too worried about it.

80% of the sacks he takes are on our O-Line. Our O-Line is abhorrent, it has to be one of the 5-7 worst in the NFL. Our best O-Lineman is probably Willie Colon. Whats that you say, you never heard of him? Exactly. Look at how unsuccessful our running game has been the last 2+ years, and its no surprise how many times he's been sacked. I mean, on Kearse's sack no one even blocked him.

Ben will probably never put up numbers like Brees, but he has intangibles and a skill set like no other QB in the league. There isnt a QB in the NFL who could do what Ben does behind our O-Line, no one. Im assuming our O-Line will be better a few years down the road when we use 1st rounders on the O-Line and maybe bring someone in, so when he actually has time to throw the ball (i.e. our last couple drives last night), you see what he can do when he actually has time in the pocket. When you get sacked about 90 times over 2 years, its not just because you hold onto the ball too long

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R'berger is an ok QB who's been in the right place at the right time to get SB wins (last year it was b/c Brady was down). The way he holds the ball sometimes like a deer in headlights is absurd. Maybe he'll get rid of that with age.

If you only think he's an "ok" QB at this point, you probably will never understand how good he is.

I guess youre right about being in the right place at the right time though. You cant have a 2-minute drill in the SB and drive down the field to win your 2nd SB in 5 years when you arent actually playing in the SB, so I guess he was in the right place to do that at the right time  ;D

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R'berger is an ok QB who's been in the right place at the right time to get SB wins (last year it was b/c Brady was down). The way he holds the ball sometimes like a deer in headlights is absurd. Maybe he'll get rid of that with age.

If you only think he's an "ok" QB at this point, you probably will never understand how good he is.

I guess youre right about being in the right place at the right time though. You cant have a 2-minute drill in the SB and drive down the field to win your 2nd SB in 5 years when you arent actually playing in the SB, so I guess he was in the right place to do that at the right time  ;D

well, I think the fact you have to defend big ben sort of proves me and corey's point. if you have to go to lengths to talk about how great the defending SB champs' QB is, then maybe he ain't so great?

there's nothing anyone can say to where I need to defend elway. that's b/c he's one of the greatest. even when they didn't go to the SB (same w/marino)

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Im not defending him, Im trying to inform you and let you know why you're mistaken. Of course you dont need to defend Elway or Marino, theyre HOFers. I think Roethlisberger has a dirt road to Canton right now that 5 years from now will probably be paved.

You like Elway so I guess youll like this stat:

Roethlisberger has 18 4th quarter comebacks since 2004. Most in the NFL  8-)

No one is better at QB than Ben at the moment. I'll take Big Ben over anyone. That pump fake of his is perfected. Obviously Ben can't play this way his whole career, I think we'll see him continually evolve his game over the years.
I think the run game will get better. Titans have a very good defense and I think we'll continue to struggle with running the ball against the better defenses - Baltimore, Minnesota, etc...Looking at the schedule, I think we'll dominate some of these teams. The defenses we have to go against this year are much weaker than last year, that combined with the fact that our backs are healthy means things can only get better. The O Line looked great at moments last night, Ben had a lot of time back there for most of the game. The run blocking needs a lot of improvement, but I think it will happen.

The run game cant get worse! It'll get better, but we wont be a better than middle of the road running team, if that. When it comes to winning playoff games, we'll be lucky to get help from the ground game against teams like that, which is a concern.

Those last 2 drives the O-Line finally gave Ben time, and he picked the #3 defense from a year ago apart. Thats what I was trying to say, when he has the time basically every other decent QB gets on a consistent basis, its apparent he isnt the reason he gets sacked so many times.

Just as the schedule will help us hopefully get the running game going, I think our D has just as good of a chance of repeating last years historic numbers. It hurts to see Troy go down though. I think we saw Troy at 100% last night before he got injured, and based on how he looked, I think he almost always is playing a little dinged up because he was playing at a level even above what he usually does. Ed Reed might be the best ballhawking safety, but Polamalu is the best all around safety by a decent margin for my money. Hopefully he's close to that level when he comes back in a few weeks. Having him out hurts a lot more than Timmons, which also is a considerable loss despite Fox stepping in and holding down the fort. Hopefully LT is back next week vs da Bears

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I never said he didn't make some fantastic plays. I was just stating that I think his number of sacks will be the asterisk on his career like Favre's number of interceptions is.

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Is this why Ben has apologized to the O-line for his high number of sacks?  ;D

It DOES sound like you're being defensive.  :)

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Well, he's not going to pull a Peyton Manning and cry about his O-Line being the reason.

Ive been watching sports TV a lot today, and I dont hear people saying Ben holds onto the ball too long, I hear people once again saying we wont go to the Super Bowl because our O-Line is a POS.

For 139 sacks in 3 years to happen, its a lot more than the QB

Got my flat screens set up side by side with the Sunday Ticket. 8-)

Jets and Ravens early, Skins (for the lady) and Bears in the afternoon.  

Should be fun :)

Tampa looked crappy today. Were not talking game one rust either. These guys are in REAL trouble. Byron Leftwich is the starting QB. Next week Buffalo and the the Giants :-/

I didnt see the game last night or the 2nd halves of the late games, but almost all the early games looked pretty sloppy and ugly. I wasnt too impressed with most teams.

The 2 teams that stood out to me were Philly and NYJ. Ruckus, youre Jets look like theyre going to be pretty damn good this year. Ryan has that D looking like it could be Top 5, and that was without Ellis and Pace  :o

I think Thomas Jones could be the most overlooked/underrated player in fantasy.

In no way am I rubbing salt in the wound but I wanna ask how it felt for Bengals fans yesterday.  What a punch in the stomach!  Kind of reminds me of the Jets during the eight years I lived in the NY area when they didn't have one winning season and found spectacular ways to lose games when it seemed impossible.

1 game is just one game but I do believe the Jets and that defense put the league on notice that this is not a rebuilding year.  

You're right about the Eagles Headdy.  They look like a strong team but I guess it was expected for them.

I was pulling for the Bengals yesterday. It may have had something to do with the fact that I just want good things to happen for them after watching "Hard Knocks". Also, I think Josh McDaniels is a smug asshole and I wanted the Broncos to lose. Looked like the Bengals had it in the bag. Damn.

So now I'm a HUGE Vikings fan this year. I'm going all out homer with it too. It's going to be great!

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QuoteIn no way am I rubbing salt in the wound but I wanna ask how it felt for Bengals fans yesterday.  What a punch in the stomach!  Kind of reminds me of the Jets during the eight years I lived in the NY area when they didn't have one winning season and found spectacular ways to lose games when it seemed impossible.

1 game is just one game but I do believe the Jets and that defense put the league on notice that this is not a rebuilding year.  

You're right about the Eagles Headdy.  They look like a strong team but I guess it was expected for them.

I'm still kind of in denial.  That was awful. I would say maybe it'll teach us a lesson, but we've learned enough lessons as an organization,it's time to put our education to action!

Would've been a great finish to opening weekend if Buffalo or Oaktown hung onto their games and pulled em out. The Buffalo one is really surprising.

From Oakland, to KC, to SF, I see more parity this year than in awhile. I dont think Detroit will be terrible either as long as Stafford doesnt let the wheels fall off.

Ruckus - you wanna get in on an avatar bet for Stillers/Bers?

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I don't like the matchup and I don't like the line either.  Man, I know it's just the avatar but....

OK if you give me 3 points.

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I don't like the matchup and I don't like the line either.  Man, I know it's just the avatar but....

OK if you give me 3 points.

I bet I can get you gambling by the end of the day?

Deal!!

HUGE win for the Jets today, lost my voice screaming at the game! Haven't had a crowd like that in years!!!
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QuoteHUGE win for the Jets today, lost my voice screaming at the game! Haven't had a crowd like that in years!!!
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I am quite jealous man!  Really was a huge win.  I bought two bottles of Champagne on Saturday and told my friends that they were to be opened after successive wins by the Jets over the Pats then the Bears over the Steelers.  They laughed at me.  I drank them both 8-)

Great day with nice lines.

Moneylined Ravens, Giants, Bears all as dogs.
Saints laying 1.5 and Bills laying 4 were no brainers.

Only trip up was taking Seattle.

Colts -3 tonight

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I don't like the matchup and I don't like the line either.  Man, I know it's just the avatar but....

OK if you give me 3 points.

I bet I can get you gambling by the end of the day?

Deal!!

Points weren't necessary huh?  I ended up betting the Bears anyways straight up. Ha

Here ya are Headdy

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Have to listen to Giant fan ALL day at work ;D :-/ :D >:

Damn, it was a rough day for the Titans. How did their Defense get so bad so fast? It can't all be contributed to Haynesworth because a lot of the problem was with the secondary. Damn it.

Bears looked pretty good pulling one out on the Steelers. That was a fun one to watch. They still had a bunch of dropped passes though.

God damn Cowboys. What the hell? They should have won that one.

Former Bama player Antwan Odom came up big for the Bengals with 5 sacks. He had 2 last week. Roll Tide!   ... and how about OchoCinco with the Lambeau Leap?!!?!?!?!   ;D

QuoteHUGE win for the Jets today, lost my voice screaming at the game! Haven't had a crowd like that in years!!!
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i love it that the jets won, and i double-love it that they beat the sniveling patriots.

i also love it that the steelers lost, although i shouldn't really SAY they lost, well i guess beating yourself still constitutes a loss. i'm just bummed santonio holmes didn't make that catch.

the browns....um....next.... :-[

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i love it that the jets won, and i double-love it that they beat the sniveling patriots.

i also love it that the steelers lost, although i shouldn't really SAY they lost, well i guess beating yourself still constitutes a loss. i'm just bummed santonio holmes didn't make that catch.

the browns....um....next.... :-[

well at LEAST your use to the Browns losing..... ;D

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I don't like the matchup and I don't like the line either.  Man, I know it's just the avatar but....

OK if you give me 3 points.

I bet I can get you gambling by the end of the day?

Deal!!

Points weren't necessary huh?  I ended up betting the Bears anyways straight up. Ha

Here ya are Headdy

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ugh...

watching the saints play is like watching someone play Madden...that O is rediculous

I'm pullin' for the Titans!

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I don't like the matchup and I don't like the line either.  Man, I know it's just the avatar but....

OK if you give me 3 points.

I bet I can get you gambling by the end of the day?

Deal!!

Points weren't necessary huh?  I ended up betting the Bears anyways straight up. Ha

Here ya are Headdy

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ugh...

;D ;D ;D

Made my evening, thanks Cap

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Miami Dolphins make me and Hootie (and the blowfish) cry  :'(

How do you have the ball for that long and lose?

Week 1: awful offense
Week 2: awful defense
Week 3: Maybe awful both- maybe they finally get it together...

personally, I blame Jimmy Buffett

what's worse was that 2 minute drill.  They acted like they were trying to run out the clock.  And just started heaving it to the endzone.  Very strange.  Bad coaching it what that boils down to.

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I don't like the matchup and I don't like the line either.  Man, I know it's just the avatar but....

OK if you give me 3 points.

I bet I can get you gambling by the end of the day?

Deal!!

Points weren't necessary huh?  I ended up betting the Bears anyways straight up. Ha

Here ya are Headdy

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ugh...

;D ;D ;D

Made my evening, thanks Cap

Technically it should be Chicago Bears related, but ill let it slide  ;)

Quotewhat's worse was that 2 minute drill.  They acted like they were trying to run out the clock.  And just started heaving it to the endzone.  Very strange.  Bad coaching it what that boils down to.

I like Sparano- I like his enthusiasm- that coaching- if thats what was the problem during the 2 minutes- is the only thing I've seen him do wrong... although- I live in NJ and you can bet Miami games aren't aired up here very often- unless its monday night, thursday, late sunday, or against the jets.

Oh last year they were in the playoffs so I watched them against the Ravens... Headdy knows how that went for the Phins.

I still blame Jimmy Buffett... nothing says "we are a tough football team" like cheeseburger in paradise...

I say good luck to you this week Corey.  The Green Machine is firing on all cylinders and the Hand of Sanchez will touch you where you least want it to.

Go Jets!  I would do anything for Rex.  Oh I would do anything fooorrr Rexxx!  Oh I would do anything for Rex and I'd also do that.  Ohhohh, I'd also do that.

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Go Jets!  I would do anything for Rex.  Oh I would do anything fooorrr Rexxx!  Oh I would do anything for Rex and I'd also do that.  Ohhohh, I'd also do that.

CJ3 vs. Jets D should be fun to watch.

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After seeing the way the Titans secondary let the Texans run right past them, I'm kinda scared to see what ol' Sanchez will do against them. The front line wasn't too horrible, but the secondary was shit. We'll need all the luck we can get.

Jets seem like they're the read deal this year.

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Jets seem like they're the read deal this year.

And yet both were real close games.  All secondary's get exposed when the front 4 don't get to the qb.  I watched the Steelers game where they played straight up the whole time.  I didn't watch the Texans game.  Did they blitz Schaub a lot or was it more of the same?

QuoteAfter seeing the way the Titans secondary let the Texans run right past them, I'm kinda scared to see what ol' Sanchez will do against them. The front line wasn't too horrible, but the secondary was shit. We'll need all the luck we can get.

Jets seem like they're the read deal this year.

Yeah, it's wild how much better teams get when they get rid of Brett Favre.  Go Jets and Pack!

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Jets seem like they're the read deal this year.

Yeah, it's wild how much better teams get when they get rid of Brett Favre.  Go Jets and Pack!

The Vikes are definitely winning despite Favre but we'll see how far they go.  Rodgers is the deal and the Jets do have an amazing D this year.

So Walts, after 2 games, which QB do you want in there?  Still Grandpa Tight Jeans?

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Jets seem like they're the read deal this year.

And yet both were real close games.  All secondary's get exposed when the front 4 don't get to the qb.  I watched the Steelers game where they played straight up the whole time.  I didn't watch the Texans game.  Did they blitz Schaub a lot or was it more of the same?

I dont know about this. Roethlisberger was pressured/sacked and checking down on passes almost the entire game, until the last 2 drives where the OLine finally stepped up and gave him time.

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Jets seem like they're the read deal this year.

And yet both were real close games.  All secondary's get exposed when the front 4 don't get to the qb.  I watched the Steelers game where they played straight up the whole time.  I didn't watch the Texans game.  Did they blitz Schaub a lot or was it more of the same?

I dont know about this. Roethlisberger was pressured/sacked and checking down on passes almost the entire game, until the last 2 drives where the OLine finally stepped up and gave him time.

I don't know.  I didn't see the NFL replay but I recall the Titans sitting back and rushing only 4 when it most mattered.  Also, Ben is always pressured because he does hold on to the ball to long.

You're right that they were a lot of check downs but like I said, when it mattered, they let him sit back there and pick em apart when they most needed to get to him.  You call it the O-Line, I call it a tired pass rush after 40+ pass attempts that needed blitz help.

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Jets seem like they're the read deal this year.

And yet both were real close games.  All secondary's get exposed when the front 4 don't get to the qb.  I watched the Steelers game where they played straight up the whole time.  I didn't watch the Texans game.  Did they blitz Schaub a lot or was it more of the same?

I dont know about this. Roethlisberger was pressured/sacked and checking down on passes almost the entire game, until the last 2 drives where the OLine finally stepped up and gave him time.

I don't know.  I didn't see the NFL replay but I recall the Titans sitting back and rushing only 4 when it most mattered.  Also, Ben is always pressured because he does hold on to the ball to long.

You're right that they were a lot of check downs but like I said, when it mattered, they let him sit back there and pick em apart when they most needed to get to him.  You call it the O-Line, I call it a tired pass rush after 40+ pass attempts that needed blitz help.

I'll just chalk that bolded part up to you going fishing.

I think you might be right about them typically only rushing 4, but it was enough against us to consistently get pressure until late. Probably not the case against most teams, but its not a bad strategy vs. our OL. I think TEN rotates their DL a lot, so its hard to say how tired they were, but they werent fresh obviously.

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Jets seem like they're the read deal this year.

Yeah, it's wild how much better teams get when they get rid of Brett Favre.  Go Jets and Pack!

The Vikes are definitely winning despite Favre but we'll see how far they go.

I wouldnt say theyve won despite him since he's completing over 77% of his passes and has 3 TD's and 0 INT's, but he certainly hasnt be the reason theyve won.

What he does/cant do when AD isnt slaying defenses like Genghis Khan will be what matters.

God damn, Titans. Y'all are killing me this year.  Fuckin' Mouton dropped 2 kick-offs (or was one a punt) that ended up being turned into TDs by the Jets. That made the whole difference in the game. FUCK.

And Favre. That shit killed me. Both of the games that I watched at noon made me want to cry. The 49ers had that one in the fucking bag. Damn it!

At least the 2 teams I was pulling for at 3 had wins, the Bears and the Bengals.

The Tampa Bay Bucs Offense had 86 total yards....for the entire f%#king game ;D ;D ;D really. can you believe that...

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Who still got 6 super bowl rings? We'll win when Bengals come to Pittsburgh.

Yeah, I was disappointed at first, but then I remembered we're Super Bowl Champs and the Bungals havent beat us in their own house in 8 years, so it was about time their fans didnt have to walk out of their own stadium getting jeered by Steeler fans after a loss.

What happened to Limas Sweed though? UGH!...dude needs to take some catching enhacement drugs, its worth it even if he gets caught

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And ZERO 1st downs!  :D

When I heard that, I just thought, WTF did NYG play, found out it was the Bucs, and just thought "oh"

Pats beat Falcs--can't really get too excited about this W but it helps  :-/

WHAT happened to the Steelas????????

QuotePats beat Falcs--can't really get too excited about this W but it helps  :-/

ATL is pretty good if you havent checked recently.

I was mostly surprised NE held them to 10 points

Yeah, I figure the Falcons will make the playoffs again this year. Don't know how far they'll make it, but they'll at least get there.

Have I mentioned that the Titans are killing me yet? :'(

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We're not playing that badly but we're just not getting the big plays when we need them. For example: Limas Sweed dropping an easy touchdown reception, not getting big turnovers from our defense (Troy being out is one of the reasons). We haven't had a turnover since week one (i think) and Ben has about 4 picks (one went for 6 at a crucial moment yesterday). We're not getting enough pressure on opposing QB's with our great linebackers. Even though we're missing Troy Polamalu, a lot of times turnovers happen when a quarterback is pressured into making a bad decision with our great pass rush. As long as Troy comes back, defense plays more desperate, and Mike Wallace plays more than Limas Sweed, then I think we'll be alright. I'm still thinking playoffs, but if Baltimore continues the way they're been playing then we may have to settle for a wild card.

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Who still got 6 super bowl rings? We'll win when Bengals come to Pittsburgh.

I can deal with calling the "We won a ring last year " card, but I bet most of us weren't even alive when the Steelers won the first 4.

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Who still got 6 super bowl rings? We'll win when Bengals come to Pittsburgh.

I can deal with calling the "We won a ring last year " card, but I bet most of us weren't even alive when the Steelers won the first 4.

Non-Steeler fans just don't know what it means to be a Steeler fan. We're very proud/knowledgeable of the 70's teams. The Steelers organization is always celebrating its past and inviting former Steelers to various events.

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I can deal with calling the "We won a ring last year " card, but I bet most of us weren't even alive when the Steelers won the first 4.

Non-Steeler fans just don't know what it means to be a Steeler fan. We're very proud/knowledgeable of the 70's teams. The Steelers organization is always celebrating its past and inviting former Steelers to various events.

While I'm sure this is "True" to some extent, I hate to say that I have met a plethora of Steelers fans that don't know shit about their history and can't tell the difference between Chuck Knox and Chuck Knoll or between Bubby Brister and Neil O'Donnell. ;)

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WHAT happened to the Steelas????????

We're not playing that badly but we're just not getting the big plays when we need them. For example: Limas Sweed dropping an easy touchdown reception, not getting big turnovers from our defense (Troy being out is one of the reasons). We haven't had a turnover since week one (i think) and Ben has about 4 picks (one went for 6 at a crucial moment yesterday). We're not getting enough pressure on opposing QB's with our great linebackers. Even though we're missing Troy Polamalu, a lot of times turnovers happen when a quarterback is pressured into making a bad decision with our great pass rush. As long as Troy comes back, defense plays more desperate, and Mike Wallace plays more than Limas Sweed, then I think we'll be alright. I'm still thinking playoffs, but if Baltimore continues the way they're been playing then we may have to settle for a wild card.

I dont know if we just arent blitzing as much to make up for Troy being out or what, but the pressure definitely hasnt been very consistent.

I've pretty much thrown out winning the division, but our schedule has what is just about as close as 6-7 gimme wins, so if we just win a couple of the games like this week vs. SD, we'll still end up 10-6 or so and should make the playoffs.

I dont think Baltimore has really been tested yet though, so I would like to see how their offense looks against a better squad. Theyre a playoff team, no doubt, but Im just not sure how good they are.

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You talk shit too soon, we'll see about that November 15.

When the bungals win at home for the first time in 8 years vs the Steelers, you kind of need to get as much out of it as possible if youre a bungals fan.

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Who still got 6 super bowl rings? We'll win when Bengals come to Pittsburgh.

I can deal with calling the "We won a ring last year " card, but I bet most of us weren't even alive when the Steelers won the first 4.

Non-Steeler fans just don't know what it means to be a Steeler fan. We're very proud/knowledgeable of the 70's teams. The Steelers organization is always celebrating its past and inviting former Steelers to various events.

While I'm sure this is "True" to some extent, I hate to say that I have met a plethora of Steelers fans that don't know shit about their history and can't tell the difference between Chuck Knox and Chuck Knoll or between Bubby Brister and Neil O'Donnell. ;)

And other teams dont have fans that dont know shit?

Hmm... ::)

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Have I mentioned that the Titans are killing me yet? :'(

Hard to believe that they started out 10-0 last year, and are now 3-7 in their last 10.

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You talk shit too soon, we'll see about that November 15.

When the bungals win at home for the first time in 8 years vs the Steelers, you kind of need to get as much out of it as possible if youre a bungals fan.

How's your "my favorite team is going to have a great year" prediction going for you so far?  Any more predictions Mr. Expert?

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While I'd like to see Young get some time to try to prove himself again, I'm not convinced that he's ready. He looked pretty good in the pre-season games, though. Who knows? Maybe he COULD come in and do a good job.

Collins hasn't been horrible. It's our Defense that has lost the games for us. Although Collins HAS made a few bonehead interceptions.

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If I was a Dolphin fan, Id kind of want to see what I have in Chad Henne though. Its not like Pennington is going to take you to the promised land.

Not like either has many options to throw to though

Pennington is just a great leader and seemed like a good guy too- hate to see him get hurt... we just picked up thigpen... should be trying to get a receiver instead- ted ginn has been nothing but a disappointment.  Makes me want to try out for the Dolphins- I sure as hell could have made some of the catches he's been missing.

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You talk shit too soon, we'll see about that November 15.

When the bungals win at home for the first time in 8 years vs the Steelers, you kind of need to get as much out of it as possible if youre a bungals fan.

How's your "my favorite team is going to have a great year" prediction going for you so far?  Any more predictions Mr. Expert?

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You talk shit too soon, we'll see about that November 15.

When the bungals win at home for the first time in 8 years vs the Steelers, you kind of need to get as much out of it as possible if youre a bungals fan.

How's your "my favorite team is going to have a great year" prediction going for you so far?  Any more predictions Mr. Expert?

Quotation please.

First of all, I think it's funny you're taking back your prediction that the steelers will have a good year.

Secondly, here's the quote from page 14 of the fantasy football thread. Right after I told you I don't give a shit about your dimestore predictions:

QuoteI predict the Steelers are that much more dangerous because we finally have a return man that not only we can count on, but has the goods.

Even more dangerous? Maybe they'll win two superbowls this year!

There you go, smart guy.

You're really reaching if me saying our special teams will be more dangerous this year means "my favorite team is going to have a great year" or that I expect another superbowl

And FYI, right now the Steelers are tied for 4th in the NFL in kick return yard average, whereas last year they were 29th in the NFL in kick return yard average. So it looks like my prediction is correct thus far.

Just like I never said were going to be great this year, I havent given up on them either. I still expect us to make the playoffs. We lost 2 close games, not like we got blownout. Im fine with 1-2 right now considering how the games have gone, in addition to the fact that we've been playing without arguably the most game-changing defensive player in the NFL.

QuoteI predict the Steelers are that much more dangerous because we finally have a return man that not only we can count on, but has the goods.

You said the steelers are more dangerous not "I predict their special teams will be better than they'll be worse overall".  You said they will be even more dangerous this year, they won the superbowl last year, so what am I supposed to think?

Really, you can't talk you're way out of that. You could try, but you'll look like even more of a dumbass.

You talk and talk and talk and think eventually you'll end up making sense. You've already backtracked twice, first saying you didn't predict the steelers would be good this year and then by making excuses for being 1-2 like they would still be more dangerous this year (as you actually originally predicted) if Troy wasn't banged up. So which is it? Have you given up on your Steelers or on being a football expert?

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Alright, Mr. Semantics. Im not even going to respond to this BS anymore, because apparently you take everything word for word and interpret it how you please so it fits your POV, so its pointless even to counter.

Its downright hilarious how you are exactly like Tracy in regards to this.

Being "dangerous" has no correlation with "best team" or "win the superbowl".  Show me where it says theyre synonyms, Webster. I specifically mention the return man, youre rediculous.

And way to go out on a limb with your prediction! In reality, you have no business even disputing my "predictions" when you dont have enough balls to post your own thoughts/opinions.

...and I havent backtracked on anything. I have no idea what youre talking about.

I think im sitting LT in my main league and our league, so Im pretty sure hell tear up the Steelers tonight

Washington vs Tampa Bay...a truly crappy game. The only thing that really scares me is if Tampa wins they'll act like they've really accomplished something.  :-X

I'm kinda pissed that they're showing the Denver vs. Dallas game over New Orleans vs. NY Jets.

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check cbs. i've got dal/den on fox and nyj/no on cbs.

No second game on CBS here in Pittsburgh, they had bullriding on after the Pats Ravens game! Thats a bunch of bullshit, pun intended!

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No second game on CBS here in Pittsburgh, they had bullriding on after the Pats Ravens game! Thats a bunch of bullshit, pun intended!

yeah...whats up with CBS not showing any late games at all this season?

i didnt even watch the 2nd half of DEN/DAL...Romo looks lost without T.O.

For the first time in ever, I was actually rooting for the Patsies today...Thanks for pulling out a win and beating the Ratbirds!! Suggs was pretty close to breaking Bradys other knee on a possible cheap shot in the game.

Cant say Im surprised NO beat NYJ, but I guess it could have been close if not for those 2 defensive TDs for NO.

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Really? If the Saints had not scored 14 points it would have been a closer game? Defensive TD's count just as much as offensive TD's, just ask any Steelers fan -- but you're not saying the Steelers should have lost to the Cards in the SB in spite of Harrison's TD before half, are you?  ;)

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Really? If the Saints had not scored 14 points it would have been a closer game? Defensive TD's count just as much as offensive TD's, just ask any Steelers fan -- but you're not saying the Steelers should have lost to the Cards in the SB in spite of Harrison's TD before half, are you?  ;)

My point was I expected NO to win fairly easily because I figured their improved D would give Sanchez and their O trouble and force some turnovers, but you wouldnt expect a team to get 2 Def TDs in a game.  Not saying either team shouldve won or lost, just that it wouldve been closer than I expected w/o those 2 TDs in all liklihood.

...and the Broncos have got to be 1 of the worst 4-0 teams ever. Their D looks solid though. I still cant believe Philly let Dawkins go. Dumb move even if he is 35 or 36, and he's the biggest reason their D looks legit IMO. DJ Williams being healthy helps as well.

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I found out today that one of my friends can't make it for the November 15 Steelers vs. Bungles game, and that I'll be buying the ticket! Bragging rights! 8-)

Miami finally decided to show up... lets hope it carries over to this sunday... a much harder opponent than the bills...  I friggin' hate the Jets!

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Crabtree finally signed with the 49ers.

Braylon Edward was traded to the Jets.

Okay I've been looking at the schedule and using my knowledge of the game and what I've seen so far, I'm gonna break the rest of the season down.

@ The Rams...Really? What a joke of a game. Clearly huge win 45-3
The Ravens...Since this is at home it's a lock. W 35-6
@ The steelers...Super bowl hang over is a huge factor. W 49-2 (the kneel-down causes the safety)
@ The Packers...We've seen how Brett handled the Pack on Monday. W 33-7
The Lions...The motor city kitties, well, they suck. W 65-14
The Seahawks...They also suck. W 32-0
The Bears...I like Cutler, but really who are the Bears? W 47-21
@ The Cardinals...High power offense vs the Cards. W 45-20
The Bengals...a team that plays well against good teams vs the Bengals W 35-15
@ The Panthers...With the winning streak on the line I see a huge win. W 46-3
@ The Bears...The Bears again? W 76-22
The Gaints...At home and perfect season on the line. W 59-26


Maybe because I'm from Homersota (http://homersota.com), but I just don't see it not happening.

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@ The Rams...Really? What a joke of a game. Clearly huge win 45-3
The Ravens...Since this is at home it's a lock. W 35-6
@ The steelers...Super bowl hang over is a huge factor. W 49-2 (the kneel-down causes the safety)
@ The Packers...We've seen how Brett handled the Pack on Monday. W 33-7
The Lions...The motor city kitties, well, they suck. W 65-14
The Seahawks...They also suck. W 32-0
The Bears...I like Cutler, but really who are the Bears? W 47-21
@ The Cardinals...High power offense vs the Cards. W 45-20
The Bengals...a team that plays well against good teams vs the Bengals W 35-15
@ The Panthers...With the winning streak on the line I see a huge win. W 46-3
@ The Bears...The Bears again? W 76-22
The Gaints...At home and perfect season on the line. W 59-26


Maybe because I'm from Homersota (http://homersota.com), but I just don't see it not happening.

So what you're saying is that the Vikings are going to outscore their opponents a combined 567 to 149?  Did the NFL turn into Madden 10 on easy difficulty?  ;D

35-6 over the Ravens? Really?  That Kool-aid must be pretty strong. ;D

I gotta say I loved that you actually added up the scores!  ;D


Hey when you're a homer, you say outlandish statements. Outlandish to you, but I'm a homer, I believe!  ;)

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Hey when you're a homer, you say outlandish statements. Outlandish to you, but I'm a homer, I believe!  ;)

;D I was looking at them and I thought- this is going to be a crazy spread- I need to add them up!

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You HAVE to start Favre. Dude's gonna throw for over 500 yards 7TD's, and at least 3 two point conversions. I can feel it.  

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@ The Rams...Really? What a joke of a game. Clearly huge win 45-3
The Ravens...Since this is at home it's a lock. W 35-6
@ The steelers...Super bowl hang over is a huge factor. W 49-2 (the kneel-down causes the safety)
@ The Packers...We've seen how Brett handled the Pack on Monday. W 33-7
The Lions...The motor city kitties, well, they suck. W 65-14
The Seahawks...They also suck. W 32-0
The Bears...I like Cutler, but really who are the Bears? W 47-21
@ The Cardinals...High power offense vs the Cards. W 45-20
The Bengals...a team that plays well against good teams vs the Bengals W 35-15
@ The Panthers...With the winning streak on the line I see a huge win. W 46-3
@ The Bears...The Bears again? W 76-22
The Gaints...At home and perfect season on the line. W 59-26


Maybe because I'm from Homersota (http://homersota.com), but I just don't see it not happening.

So what you're saying is that the Vikings are going to outscore their opponents a combined 567 to 149?  Did the NFL turn into Madden 10 on easy difficulty?  ;D

I really hope Farve is still playing by week 11 when My Bears face'em. If you wanna be the best you gotta beat the best. I HIGHLY doubt Farve will last past week 8. He is one shot away from drooling on himself.

Flacco has been solid all year, but the Bengals D is pretty good also. You gotta take Favre vs the STL defense.

I read today that Moreno is more than likely about to takeover the starting position. Not sure if that helps you make a decision or not, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

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I read today that Moreno is more than likely about to takeover the starting position. Not sure if that helps you make a decision or not, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

I read that too- he'll get more carries but against NE (they can shut down backs at any moment- you just never know when) i feel like Bradshaw... or any back is going to slice through that OAK defense pretty regularly- just dont know how many carries he'll get

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Pierre Garcon (IND) vs TEN

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Pierre Garcon is Mannings new go to guy- already has 207 yards and 2 tds

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Hey when you're a homer, you say outlandish statements. Outlandish to you, but I'm a homer, I believe!  ;)

;D I was looking at them and I thought- this is going to be a crazy spread- I need to add them up!

Fantasy football question now.

Start Flacco vs CIN or Favre vs STL

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Moreno vs NE or Bradshaw vs OAK

Moreno will probably get more carries- but its NE as opposed to OAK...  

Definitely Moreno. Buckhalter is hurt and wont be playing, and he was really the only one taking carries away from Moreno. Moreno has looked better every week, and I expect him to see a good amount of looks in the pass game. Ray Rice tore up NE last week.

The QB situation could be close. Id start Flacco. He's been solid or better every week fantasy wise, and I expect their game to be tight and him to get at least 250yds and probably 2TDs. Minnesota should pound STL, and will do it by the run mostly. I doubt Favre has a huge game, and think his liklihood of not a good fantasy game is much more likely. He might not even finish the game if theyre winning by a lot. In the games where the MIN run game has been unstoppable, Favre's fantasy numbers have lacked. I expect big days from AD and Chester Taylor, and pedestrian numbers from Favre

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Pierre Garcon is Mannings new go to guy- already has 207 yards and 2 tds

don't know about Sims-Walker... good stats though: 278 yards and 3 tds

Gotta stick with Sims-Walker. He couldnt stay healthy last year, but otherwise looked good. He's the clear go-to guy in J-Ville now, and Garrard is hot with a good matchup this week.

Garcon's matchup is good too, but Manning has a ton of options so Garcon is much more of a risk to start. He might give you 4/80/1 but could just as easily give you 2/20/0

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Quotethanks headdy- I'm constantly switching my lineup now... I've made 12 moves since the start of the season... first game I got destroyed but have been on a winning streak since- hope it all works out for me... never thought I would get so into fantasy football.

Its addictive...in my money league im 1-3 right now but Im still only 1 game out of a playoff spot and pay attention to improve my team as much as I would if I were 3-1. The waiver wire and making moves is a must pretty much regardless of your record.

After doing fantasy baseball and hockey over the past year, I still like it more. Everything is on the line on sundays (and mondays, and some thursdays and saturdays  ;D)

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Today's Bills-Browns game is the worst I've ever seen in my four decades of NFL watching. CFL pre-season is better.

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Then I assume you would think they're one of the worst 5-0 teams ever, too?
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They looked good. You've got to admit though, before this week, they didnt have an impressive win on their belt. This substantiates their status some. Clearly everything is in their hands with SD, BAL, and PIT on the table for their next 3 games to show if this was extra adrenaline vs. McD's old team or not.

This was the first time Ive seen them this year, so outside of that "wildhorse" formation Im not sure how different their O has been, but it reminded me exactly of what NE's O was before they got Moss. Just all kinds of quick and underneath patterns that are difficult to defend, especially against guys like Marshall and Royal.

McDaniels' celebration after the game was a bit much though. You'd think they just won the AFC champ game. Im sure the media will blow up Belicheat snubbing him on the handshake as well.

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Then I assume you would think they're one of the worst 5-0 teams ever, too?
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Acutally, they had beaten the Bengals and Cowboys, both "impressive" (considering most predicted they would go 7-9 this year). Speaking of "impressive", who have the Steelers beaten this year?  ;)

Not the Bengals!  ;D

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Acutally, they had beaten the Bengals and Cowboys, both "impressive" (considering most predicted they would go 7-9 this year). Speaking of "impressive", who have the Steelers beaten this year?  ;)

Not the Bengals!  ;D

So, if beating the Bengals isn't impressive, you must think the steelers are awful since they couldn't find a way to do it.

ravens couldn't either

I got killed in fantasy football this week... :(

Unless ronnie brown and dan carpenter put up 40 points each...

I don't mind losing as long as the phins pull out a win!  NE lost, BUF lost, if Miami wins- NYJ lose!

please oh please oh please oh please oh please!

In other news- is Josh McDaniels a nazi?
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>:( Don't get me started...fuckin' Raiders. How can they find new depths, new ways to dissapoint me every year? Jamarcus Russell is an absolute joke. He's not even a capable backup!

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They looked good. You've got to admit though, before this week, they didn't have an impressive win on their belt.

Acutally, they had beaten the Bengals and Cowboys, both "impressive" (considering most predicted they would go 7-9 this year). Speaking of "impressive", who have the Steelers beaten this year?  ;)

I didnt consider the bungals win impressive because they won that game due to a ball doinking off a helmet, and somehow no safety was behind in coverage to prevent Stokley from going 80 yards after that.

Cowboys are pretty bad this year. Almost lost to KC yesterday and were losing most of the game. So I dont consider that win all that impressive.

After seeing them yesterday Im warming up to the Broncos actually being a solid team, but like I said, lets since what they do over their next 3. And especially for them, the next one vs. SD

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>:( Don't get me started...fuckin' Raiders. How can they find new depths, new ways to dissapoint me every year? Jamarcus Russell is an absolute joke. He's not even a capable backup!

My dad is a raiders fan- he cheers for the vikings this year... al davis needs to get out of the organization and the team needs to be completely rebuilt... they have had enough losing seasons- one more rebuilding/fresh start shouldn't be too much to ask

they need more like an expansion draft as opposed to a year of rebuilding  ;D

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>:( Don't get me started...fuckin' Raiders. How can they find new depths, new ways to dissapoint me every year? Jamarcus Russell is an absolute joke. He's not even a capable backup!

My dad is a raiders fan- he cheers for the vikings this year... al davis needs to get out of the organization and the team needs to be completely rebuilt... they have had enough losing seasons- one more rebuilding/fresh start shouldn't be too much to ask

they need more like an expansion draft as opposed to a year of rebuilding  ;D

sorry bbill. i never understood why jamarcus was considered an elite pick in the first place. i guess because he could toss a ball over the golden gate bridge

Russell was a #1 pick because Al Davis is obsessed with the vertical passing game. That's why they drafted Heyward-Bey too. Those two clowns wouldn't have been picked so high by any other team. Old Al loves that shit though, he eats it up. Fuckin' retard.  

Dude, AMC, when you say that Al Davis "needs to get out of the organization", that means that he needs to die. I say the same kind of stuff, like "well, once Al steps down" or "once Skeletor leaves", but they all mean the same thing...Al Davis has too big of an ego to ever concede control of his team while he's still alive. He'll die in that luxury box. He's so obsessed with his legacy that he won't step down until he wills his team back into a winner, and he's going to die before that happens, so he'll be there until the end.

So yeah. He needs to get out of the organization.

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I didnt consider the bungals win impressive because they won that game due to a ball doinking off a helmet, and somehow no safety was behind in coverage to prevent Stokley from going 80 yards after that.

A Steelers fan who doesn't understand the relevance and impressivness of a ball doinking off another player for a game winning score..... you should hang your head in shame. Shame on you!

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;D ;D ;D

Good call. But we're really just shooting fish in a bucket here.

Hey Walt, Headdy just gave us another reason to put an asterisk by one of the steelers' Superbowl wins.

Keep talkin Headdy, all you do is drive your foot further down your throat, which IS impressive considering how far your head is up your ass.

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Actually, the Steelers lost to the fish in the AFC championship game the week after the immaculate reception (according to Wikipedia). That was the undefeated fish team. But old Steelers fans realize that was the launching point of a dynasty.

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I didnt consider the bungals win impressive because they won that game due to a ball doinking off a helmet, and somehow no safety was behind in coverage to prevent Stokley from going 80 yards after that.

A Steelers fan who doesn't understand the relevance and impressivness of a ball doinking off another player for a game winning score..... you should hang your head in shame. Shame on you!

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Bear Sin Rug, you know your shit brother!

All I know is it's getting pretty ugly here in Tampa Bay :-/..... ;D

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I didnt consider the bungals win impressive because they won that game due to a ball doinking off a helmet, and somehow no safety was behind in coverage to prevent Stokley from going 80 yards after that.

A Steelers fan who doesn't understand the relevance and impressivness of a ball doinking off another player for a game winning score..... you should hang your head in shame. Shame on you!

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Bear Sin Rug, you know your shit brother!

well, I'm raising hell now while the Broncos are 5-0 (before they fold  ;) )

Remember when I said that the Jets looked like the real deal? That may have changed a bit after last night. The Dolphins played a helluva game. Henne looked damn good against their defense. Made some really solid throws that most rookies would have botched.

Sanchez looked good though. He can't be blamed for that loss. Their defense just didn't help out the offense at all.

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I didnt consider the bungals win impressive because they won that game due to a ball doinking off a helmet, and somehow no safety was behind in coverage to prevent Stokley from going 80 yards after that.

A Steelers fan who doesn't understand the relevance and impressivness of a ball doinking off another player for a game winning score..... you should hang your head in shame. Shame on you!

Call either impressive if you want, but IMO theyre not much more than pure luck

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I didnt consider the bungals win impressive because they won that game due to a ball doinking off a helmet, and somehow no safety was behind in coverage to prevent Stokley from going 80 yards after that.

A Steelers fan who doesn't understand the relevance and impressivness of a ball doinking off another player for a game winning score..... you should hang your head in shame. Shame on you!

Call either impressive if you want, but IMO theyre not much more than pure luck

Wow, say it ain't so! I guess these are just towels?  :-/   The magic is gone...

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I didnt consider the bungals win impressive because they won that game due to a ball doinking off a helmet, and somehow no safety was behind in coverage to prevent Stokley from going 80 yards after that.

A Steelers fan who doesn't understand the relevance and impressivness of a ball doinking off another player for a game winning score..... you should hang your head in shame. Shame on you!

Call either impressive if you want, but IMO theyre not much more than pure luck

Wow, say it ain't so! I guess these are just towels?  :-/   The magic is gone...

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Oh, the magic is still alive in The Terrible Towel.

Aint that right, Corey? Your Titans haven't won a game ever since Lendale and Bullock stomped on The Towel last season :D

I have no rebuttal. I don't know what their fucking problem is this year. The secondary is shit. The D line is mostly shit as well.

We had a few of the losses in the bag, but managed to fuck them up due to shitty defense and/or special teams play. Mouton dropped 2 punts (or maybe one was a kickoff) that the Jets recovered and then scored on both of the following possessions. Had he not dropped those, the game was ours.
I can't think of specifics on the other games, but there were at least 2 more games that we should have won.

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>:( Don't get me started...fuckin' Raiders. How can they find new depths, new ways to dissapoint me every year? Jamarcus Russell is an absolute joke. He's not even a capable backup!

My dad is a raiders fan- he cheers for the vikings this year... al davis needs to get out of the organization and the team needs to be completely rebuilt... they have had enough losing seasons- one more rebuilding/fresh start shouldn't be too much to ask

they need more like an expansion draft as opposed to a year of rebuilding  ;D

sorry bbill. i never understood why jamarcus was considered an elite pick in the first place. i guess because he could toss a ball over the golden gate bridge

Russell was a #1 pick because Al Davis is obsessed with the vertical passing game. That's why they drafted Heyward-Bey too. Those two clowns wouldn't have been picked so high by any other team. Old Al loves that shit though, he eats it up. Fuckin' retard.  

Dude, AMC, when you say that Al Davis "needs to get out of the organization", that means that he needs to die. I say the same kind of stuff, like "well, once Al steps down" or "once Skeletor leaves", but they all mean the same thing...Al Davis has too big of an ego to ever concede control of his team while he's still alive. He'll die in that luxury box. He's so obsessed with his legacy that he won't step down until he wills his team back into a winner, and he's going to die before that happens, so he'll be there until the end.

So yeah. He needs to get out of the organization.

hahah bbill!

You caught me... by "get out of the organization" I sure did mean, "get out of living"  ;D

QuoteRemember when I said that the Jets looked like the real deal? That may have changed a bit after last night. The Dolphins played a helluva game. Henne looked damn good against their defense. Made some really solid throws that most rookies would have botched.

Sanchez looked good though. He can't be blamed for that loss. Their defense just didn't help out the offense at all.

Being a Miami fan that lives in NJ- we don't get to see many Phins games- so when I do get to watch a game I get extremely nervous... the fact that the 4th quarter went the way it did- I was a wreck... I thought I was going to pass out.

I'm so happy they won, and the offense played as well as they did- it gives me so much hope!

No one, and I mean no one, had the Broncos picked to win more than 7 or 8 games this year, and yet here they are, undefeated at 5-0.
Sure, they got lucky in that first game against Cinci, but hey, anyone looking for evidence that God is in fact a Broncos fan can now rest easy. God loves you. But He really loves the Broncos.
People will say they aren't in the same class as the elite clubs in the AFC.
All I know is the Broncos haven't started 5-0 since '98, and they happened to win the Superbowl that year. If history is any indication, I see great things on the horizon for this team.
Sure, the Broncos are going to lose some games this year, and I fully expect everyone to write them off after they do.
If they win this Monday night against the Chargers, I predict they will end up winning the division. If they lose, its still a coin toss.
The Broncos are going to be dangerous.
They could become the  team nobody wants to play in the AFC come January.

6-0!

I think the Broncos may just be the team nobody wants to play RIGHT NOW

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I think the Broncos may just be the team nobody wants to play RIGHT NOW

Obviously one of  the worst [size=24]6-0[/size] teams in NFL history!

lol- That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard anyone say about a football team. Is that all ya got, or would you like to make an actual point with, like, facts and stuff?

Quotelol- That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard anyone say about a football team. Is that all ya got, or would you like to make an actual point with, like, facts and stuff?

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Stillers got Minnesota this week, than your Broncs after the bye...interested to see how this pans out.

Good to see LT finally do something!

QuoteStillers got Minnesota this week, than your Broncs after the bye...interested to see how this pans out.

The Bronco D looked great last night late in the game. I'm still cringing for the possible losing streak.

This is shaping up to be a fun NFL season! (Unless you're a titan fan  :-/)

oh- lol- seems I may have been getting a bit too defensive there Bear... all apologies, didn't realize you were a fellow traveler.

Broncos looked great last night, especially late in the game. The D has yet to allow a single 4th quarter touchdown, and I see the offense improving each week. I haven't felt this excited about the team in a long, long time!

Dumerville is a beast, and I love the schemes Mike Nolan is bringing w/ this 3-4 Defense.
And McD- what can I say?
I was less than pleased with his off-season moves, but as it turns out, he seems to know a lot more about football than we do. Go figure.

Quotelol- That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard anyone say about a football team. Is that all ya got, or would you like to make an actual point with, like, facts and stuff?

Ya know, even if a non-Broncos fan said that, no need to freak out.  That has been said since the beginning of sports and I'd venture that many of us are guilty of similar phrasing.  I know I am.

I respect this Broncos team a lot being a Orton fan.  Would it be wrong to say that the Bears would have beaten the Colts in the Super Bowl had Orton started.

I think the win to hang your hat on is the NE one.  Yes, the Cinci win was a fluke and I'm not sure what the clownin Dallas secondary was doing letting BM prance into the endzone.  Beating a banged up and highly overrated Chargers team with 2 kick returns does not represent a dominant team.

So, I also believe that the Broncos are one of the worst 6-0 teams I've ever seen but they do seem to be getting better which is the big thing.

In the NFL, their are teams that you KNOW are good, then those like the Titans from last year who were good, but not 13-3 good.  

Dumervil has been very kind to my fantasy team this year and I thank him.

Dear Kurt Schottenheimer,

As a dedicated NY Jets fan, I would like to bring into question your playcalling regarding our recent defeat at the hands of the Buffalo Bills at our home stadium.  As you may recall, the winds were howling at Meadowlands.  If I may point to our RBs' performances, I believe Thomas Jones and Leon Washington ran for 300 yards at around a 10 ypc clip.  Yet, you chose to let our rookie QB throw 5 INTs when the Bills displayed no ability to stop the run.  A friendly response kindly articulating your reasoning for the atrocious playcalling would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

Disappointed Jets Fan

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Dumerville is a beast, and I love the schemes Mike Nolan is bringing w/ this 3-4 Defense.
And McD- what can I say?
I was less than pleased with his off-season moves, but as it turns out, he seems to know a lot more about football than we do. Go figure.

Size is overrated. Not sure why so many teams overlooked Dumervil strictly because he is undersized. I didnt realize that the Donkeys are playing the 3-4 D though. That makes his sack numbers at DE even more impressive (unless they have him playing OLB or some hybrid type thing like Suggs or Adalius Thomas, which wouldnt surprise me at all).

Its never good to trade your young, pro bowl caliber, franchise QB (and Cutler is having a pretty damn good year with below average pass options IMO), but even before the season started I thought Denver couldnt do any better than what they got. Orton, 2 1st round picks - and I think maybe a 3rd and a 5th?! You cant ask for much more than that. Of course, for Denver to win that trade a couple of those picks need to turn out to be career starters, but they certainly have that chance to win on the trade

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Quotelol- That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard anyone say about a football team. Is that all ya got, or would you like to make an actual point with, like, facts and stuff?

I think the win to hang your hat on is the NE one.  Yes, the Cinci win was a fluke and I'm not sure what the clownin Dallas secondary was doing letting BM prance into the endzone.  Beating a banged up and highly overrated Chargers team with 2 kick returns does not represent a dominant team.

So, I also believe that the Broncos are one of the worst 6-0 teams I've ever seen but they do seem to be getting better which is the big thing.

In the NFL, their are teams that you KNOW are good, then those like the Titans from last year who were good, but not 13-3 good.  

Thank. You. Ruckus.

I said this when they were 4-0 and hadnt even played the Patsies yet, and a few people here acted like I was crazy. I definitely think theyve gotten better, but Im not sure they have the type of offense that they can win a lot of games from behind. That remains to be seen, but if their D stays among the elite, that might not be an issue. B-Dawkins clearly seems to be 1 of the best offseason moves thus far.

And I agree with you, the NE win is still their only impressive one for me, albeit that is a huge one at that.

for real?  :-?

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Still the disbelievers.

I find it asinine that football "fans" are so quick to dismiss kick returns and defensive TD's. SD had a kick return for a TD, too. The Steelers don't win the SB last year without a defensive TD. The Bears don't win against the Colts WITH Orton (as you supposed) if Hester doesn't take the opening KICK back for a TD. In fact, I'd say the Bears don't make the SB that year without Hester's returns. I could go on and on and on, but I think you get the point.

No one has said the Broncos are the best or most dominant team in the NFL.  It's just very exciting as a Broncos fan to see them in this position after the off-season turmoil. Saying they're the worst 6-0 team ever is silly.  ::)

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Still the disbelievers.

I find it asinine that football "fans" are so quick to dismiss kick returns and defensive TD's. SD had a kick return for a TD, too. The Steelers don't win the SB last year without a defensive TD. The Bears don't win against the Colts WITH Orton (as you supposed) if Hester doesn't take the opening KICK back for a TD. In fact, I'd say the Bears don't make the SB that year without Hester's returns. I could go on and on and on, but I think you get the point.

No one has said the Broncos are the best or most dominant team in the NFL.  It's just very exciting as a Broncos fan to see them in this position after the off-season turmoil. Saying they're the worst 6-0 team ever is silly.  ::)

don't let the haters bring you down! Fight the man! Keep supporting your broncos- a win is a win.  people will always make excuses for a team winning games (if its not their own)

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Still the disbelievers.

I find it asinine that football "fans" are so quick to dismiss kick returns and defensive TD's. SD had a kick return for a TD, too. The Steelers don't win the SB last year without a defensive TD. The Bears don't win against the Colts WITH Orton (as you supposed) if Hester doesn't take the opening KICK back for a TD. In fact, I'd say the Bears don't make the SB that year without Hester's returns. I could go on and on and on, but I think you get the point.

No one has said the Broncos are the best or most dominant team in the NFL.  It's just very exciting as a Broncos fan to see them in this position after the off-season turmoil. Saying they're the worst 6-0 team ever is silly.  ::)

If you had come out after 3 games and said the Jets are the worst 3-0 team in football, my panties wouldn't be all in a bunch.  What's up with the fans in quotes?  

It's not silly.  I said one of the worst I've ever seen.  It's your typical yearly football debate.  It's a talking point.  It's only silly to you because the Broncos are your team.  Of course the game is settled on the field.  Jeebus.  We say this in all aspects of sports such as the least deserving team to make the playoffs.  
So I propose an Avatar bet BSR.  Ravens beat the Broncos straight up after the bye week.

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Still the disbelievers.

I find it asinine that football "fans" are so quick to dismiss kick returns and defensive TD's. SD had a kick return for a TD, too. The Steelers don't win the SB last year without a defensive TD. The Bears don't win against the Colts WITH Orton (as you supposed) if Hester doesn't take the opening KICK back for a TD. In fact, I'd say the Bears don't make the SB that year without Hester's returns. I could go on and on and on, but I think you get the point.

No one has said the Broncos are the best or most dominant team in the NFL.  It's just very exciting as a Broncos fan to see them in this position after the off-season turmoil. Saying they're the worst 6-0 team ever is silly.  ::)

If you had come out after 3 games and said the Jets are the worst 3-0 team in football, my panties wouldn't be all in a bunch.  What's up with the fans in quotes?  

It's not silly.  I said one of the worst I've ever seen.  It's your typical yearly football debate.  It's a talking point.  It's only silly to you because the Broncos are your team.  Of course the game is settled on the field.  Jeebus.  We say this in all aspects of sports such as the least deserving team to make the playoffs.  
So I propose an Avatar bet BSR.  Ravens beat the Broncos straight up after the bye week.

nah, not interested.

I can say that the Ravens were the worst team to ever win a Super Bowl and the Dolphins were the worst undefeated team going into a Super Bowl.  ;)

The "fans" is for those who compartmetalize success by saying only a potent offense counts. i.e. A kick return means less than an 80 yard swing pass; a defensive TD means less than a 83 yard drive. A fluke play means less, in spite of the fact the team is within a TD to win at the end. I am a fan of the whole game.

You have to admit, though, when someone says you're team is one of the worst 4-0 teams ever, that leaves the gate wide open for sarcasm when that team gets to 6-0.  :)

Maybe they weren't the worst 4-0 team ever.....or the worst 6-0 team ever.... hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm  ::)

oh, and finally, Eli Manning was the worst QB ever to have these stats in a Week 3 win:

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Still the disbelievers.

I find it asinine that football "fans" are so quick to dismiss kick returns and defensive TD's. SD had a kick return for a TD, too. The Steelers don't win the SB last year without a defensive TD. The Bears don't win against the Colts WITH Orton (as you supposed) if Hester doesn't take the opening KICK back for a TD. In fact, I'd say the Bears don't make the SB that year without Hester's returns. I could go on and on and on, but I think you get the point.

No one has said the Broncos are the best or most dominant team in the NFL.  It's just very exciting as a Broncos fan to see them in this position after the off-season turmoil. Saying they're the worst 6-0 team ever is silly.  ::)

If you had come out after 3 games and said the Jets are the worst 3-0 team in football, my panties wouldn't be all in a bunch.  What's up with the fans in quotes?  

It's not silly.  I said one of the worst I've ever seen.  It's your typical yearly football debate.  It's a talking point.  It's only silly to you because the Broncos are your team.  Of course the game is settled on the field.  Jeebus.  We say this in all aspects of sports such as the least deserving team to make the playoffs.  
So I propose an Avatar bet BSR.  Ravens beat the Broncos straight up after the bye week.

nah, not interested.

I can say that the Ravens were the worst team to ever win a Super Bowl and the Dolphins were the worst undefeated team going into a Super Bowl.  ;)

The "fans" is for those who compartmetalize success by saying only a potent offense counts. i.e. A kick return means less than an 80 yard swing pass; a defensive TD means less than a 83 yard drive. A fluke play means less, in spite of the fact the team is within a TD to win at the end. I am a fan of the whole game.

You have to admit, though, when someone says you're team is one of the worst 4-0 teams ever, that leaves the gate wide open for sarcasm when that team gets to 6-0.  :)

Maybe they weren't the worst 4-0 team ever.....or the worst 6-0 team ever.... hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm  ::)

See, now this is polite discourse.  We've given you more ammo to enjoy your success at the expense us naysayers.  That makes it that much more pleasurable right?

The bet was just a feeler to see how much faith you had in the "NOT" worst 6-0 football team. ;)

Gregg Williams, Mike Nolan, Rex Ryan - What jobs they have done with their D's this year.  Each year it is confounding to no end, the singular impact a new coach has on its team.

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Quoteoh, and finally, Eli Manning was the worst QB ever to have these stats in a Week 3 win:

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WTH is this supposed to mean?

The NFL can kiss my ass--won't be on my TV this season.  They screw Limbaugh and baby thugs and criminals who play?  F that where does it end if we're going down that road! >:(

QuoteThe NFL can kiss my ass--won't be on my TV this season.  They screw Limbaugh and baby thugs and criminals who play?  F that where does it end if we're going down that road! >:(

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K- I'm new to the board and haven't gotten completely up to date on how everything works- but the above quote seems to be attributed to me- and I DID NOT post it.
Ok- just wanted to clear that up.

As per the Broncos: the opinion that the Broncos are "one if the worst 6-0 teams ever" is total garbage. Just look at the Broncos rankings this year and its pretty easy to dissprove that.
The Broncos are doing very, very well actually.
The haters will always hate, so whateva.
The truth is, the Broncos have beaten the Cowboys, Pats, and Chargers.
All those teams, BTW, have been picked to win the superbowl this year, by various pundits and alleged "experts".
You know its true, so don't even hate.
The fact is, that win on Monday night all but sealed the division for the Broncos, and they WILL be making the playoffs this year.
And when they do, look out...

No hate, just an honest opinion from a dedicated sports fan.  Perhaps you are willing to take on an avatar bet straight up after the bye week.  I like the Ravens straight up.  How bout it Broncos fans?  You can't be all talk right? ;)

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K- I'm new to the board and haven't gotten completely up to date on how everything works- but the above quote seems to be attributed to me- and I DID NOT post it.
Ok- just wanted to clear that up.

As per the Broncos: the opinion that the Broncos are "one if the worst 6-0 teams ever" is total garbage. Just look at the Broncos rankings this year and its pretty easy to dissprove that.
The Broncos are doing very, very well actually.
The haters will always hate, so whateva.
The truth is, the Broncos have beaten the Cowboys, Pats, and Chargers.
All those teams, BTW, have been picked to win the superbowl this year, by various pundits and alleged "experts".
You know its true, so don't even hate.
The fact is, that win on Monday night all but sealed the division for the Broncos, and they WILL be making the playoffs this year.
And when they do, look out...

C'mon now.  Anyone who actually believed that the Chargers and Cowboys were preseason Super Bowl contenders are silly.  Now I do believe the Pats are a legitimate contender.

I agree that the Broncos all but clinched with that win but we must remember last year.  Besides, Richard Seymour just guaranteed the playoffs for the Raiders and I have trouble imagining a Wild Card coming from the west so I guess they might run the table and take your division ;D

Gotta feel bad for Seymour, poor dude went from a top-class org. to one of the worst in the leauge...or, maybe ever.
The Raiders are such a joke, we don't even consider them to be legit rivals anymore.
As far as the Cowboys and Chargers go-  they weren't my superbowl picks, but both teams have enjoyed a lot of press and huge expectations over the last several seasons (and delivered, absoluetely NADA!!) Go back and check some of the ESPN pundits picks before this season, and you will find both teams were in fact picked to win it this year, by one genius or another.

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QuoteGotta feel bad for Seymour, poor dude went from a top-class org. to one of the worst in the leauge...or, maybe ever.
The Raiders are such a joke, we don't even consider them to be legit rivals anymore.
As far as the Cowboys and Chargers go-  they weren't my superbowl picks, but both teams have enjoyed a lot of press and huge expectations over the last several seasons (and delivered, absoluetely NADA!!) Go back and check some of the ESPN pundits picks before this season, and you will find both teams were in fact picked to win it this year, by one genius or another.

Who cares where people picked Dallas and SD preseason?! Denver was probably supposed to go 4-12 or something preseason, does that mean theyre a bad loss for all the teams they beat so far?

Chargers arent terrible simply because of Rivers and their passing game, but if you can contain that I dont see how you lose against them. They havent rushed for 100 yards yet this year, although maybe a healthy LT turns that around.

Dallas is just a joke. More talent, less production than probably any team in the NFL. I wouldnt be surprised if Wade gets fired before the season is over.

The Raiders almost beat SD. Despite getting blown out in their 3 other losses I believe, they arent far off from 3-3. I actually think theyre better than 4 or so teams when Jamarcus throws less than 3 INTs a game  ;D

...and even before seeing how we look vs. Minnesota, Id also like one of you Denver fans to step up to the plate and take an avatar bet for you team vs. the Steelers

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QuoteThe NFL can kiss my ass--won't be on my TV this season.  They screw Limbaugh and baby thugs and criminals who play?  F that where does it end if we're going down that road! >:(

Shouldn't you be on top of some clocktower right now?

Yeah yeah hahaha you so clever.  Bet you wouldn't be so glib if Keith Olberman got shut out of an NFL deal.  I'm not surprised that someone like you would happily ignore the central premise of this issue.  I could take or leave Rush really.  Here in America everyone used to be able to do business equally, regardless of political tendency.

>>>Who cares where people picked Dallas and SD preseason?! Denver was probably supposed to go 4-12 or something preseason, does that mean theyre a bad loss for all the teams they beat so far?


I think my point is pretty obvious. What I'm saying is: anyone who is dismissing the Broncos wins, saying they "haven't played anyone", is wrong. The Broncos have played, and beaten, some good football teams, including, of course, the Pats.
And yeah, the Broncos were picked to win like 4 or 5 games this year, but remain, at least for another week, unbeaten.
You wish your favorite team was unbeaten too, don't ya?

QuoteThe NFL can kiss my ass--won't be on my TV this season.  They screw Limbaugh and baby thugs and criminals who play?  F that where does it end if we're going down that road! >:(

Bill Hicks had an interesting take on Rush. This is NOT SAFE FOR WORK

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Minn vs Pitt is on the tube here tomorrow ...but so is Tampa and New England :-/

QuoteMinn vs Pitt is on the tube here tomorrow ...but so is Tampa and New England :-/

Pittsburgh vs Minn should be a close game. New England will most likely destroy Tampa. Hope that helps.

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QuoteThe NFL can kiss my ass--won't be on my TV this season.  They screw Limbaugh and baby thugs and criminals who play?  F that where does it end if we're going down that road! >:(

Shouldn't you be on top of some clocktower right now?

Yeah yeah hahaha you so clever.  Bet you wouldn't be so glib if Keith Olberman got shut out of an NFL deal.  I'm not surprised that someone like you would happily ignore the central premise of this issue.  I could take or leave Rush really.  Here is America everyone used to be able to do business equally, regardless of political tendency.

Citation needed after you fix the grammar. When in American history was "everyone used to be able to do business equally, regardless of political tendency". Ever heard of the McCarthy trails? That was the 50s, the time period most delusional extremist right-wingers like yourself point to as the golden age of this country. Before rock n roll and desegregation loosened our morals, right?

And, btw, was the central premise of your argument that you're a racist?  Because I can agree with that.  And I agree with the central premise of your last post as well: I am very clever.  

Back to football, I got a ticket for today's Bengals v Bears game! WHO DEY!?!

QuoteThe NFL can kiss my ass--won't be on my TV this season.  They screw Limbaugh and baby thugs and criminals who play?  F that where does it end if we're going down that road! >:(

And another thing, the NFL did not stop rush from buying the Rams. His partners in the deal dropped him. Do you understand that? rush's business partners kicked him to the curb; the NFL didn't do anything to rush limbaugh. Now, the NFL Player's Association  had some "comments" about limbaugh, but last I heard there is something called freedom of speech in our country. But, the NFL did not block rush from buying the Rams, his business partners dumped him.

Face it, America is getting tired of the racist hate speech that comes from the right.

Get you "story" straight.

Cool game today, the Vikings at Pittsburgh. You don't see that match-up a lot.

Big game for the steelers today; we'll have a better idea of who they are. The combined record for the teams they have beaten so far this year is 4-19; they have yet to beat a team with a winning record. It's a much bigger game for them than the Vikes, plus isn't time for Favres collapse?  :-?

I can't decide who I am rooting for in the Bengals/Bears game. Should be a fun one to watch. I have lots of fantasy players on both teams in all of my leagues.   8-)

QuoteCool game today, the Vikings at Pittsburgh. You don't see that match-up a lot.

Big game for the steelers today; we'll have a better idea of who they are. The combined record for the teams they have beaten so far this year is 4-19; they have yet to beat a team with a winning record. It's a much bigger game for them than the Vikes, plus isn't time for Favres collapse?  :-?

If the Vics win, theyll win because of their pass rush and All Day...I dont see Farve having all that good of a game, although if AD has a big game, that could change.

I think their pass D is too suspect, and Winfield is 1 of the best corners in the league and isnt playing. I think well throw all over them as long as the OL gives Roeth time consistently

I agree its a bigger game for us

QuoteI can't decide who I am rooting for in the Bengals/Bears game. Should be a fun one to watch. I have lots of fantasy players on both teams in all of my leagues.   8-)

Im mostly interested in seeing what Benson does after all that talk this week about him thinking da Bears tried to sabotage his return to the NFL with another team

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QuoteThe NFL can kiss my ass--won't be on my TV this season.  They screw Limbaugh and baby thugs and criminals who play?  F that where does it end if we're going down that road! >:(

And another thing, the NFL did not stop rush from buying the Rams. His partners in the deal dropped him. Do you understand that? rush's business partners kicked him to the curb; the NFL didn't do anything to rush limbaugh. Now, the NFL Player's Association  had some "comments" about limbaugh, but last I heard there is something called freedom of speech in our country. But, the NFL did not block rush from buying the Rams, his business partners dumped him.

Face it, America is getting tired of the racist hate speech that comes from the right.

Get you "story" straight.

Yeah an just why do think that happened?  Pressure form outside!  YOU get the story straight.

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Shouldn't you be on top of some clocktower right now?

Yeah yeah hahaha you so clever.  Bet you wouldn't be so glib if Keith Olberman got shut out of an NFL deal.  I'm not surprised that someone like you would happily ignore the central premise of this issue.  I could take or leave Rush really.  Here is America everyone used to be able to do business equally, regardless of political tendency.

Citation needed after you fix the grammar. When in American history was "everyone used to be able to do business equally, regardless of political tendency". Ever heard of the McCarthy trails? That was the 50s, the time period most delusional extremist right-wingers like yourself point to as the golden age of this country. Before rock n roll and desegregation loosened our morals, right?

And, btw, was the central premise of your argument that you're a racist?  Because I can agree with that.  And I agree with the central premise of your last post as well: I am very clever.  

Back to football, I got a ticket for today's Bengals v Bears game! WHO DEY!?!

I fixed the ONE letter teach--do I get a gold star now???  On second thought I don't need any recognition from you.
Typical lib BS pulling McCarthy out of your ass to compare with this current day situation.  In case you forgot, at that time in US history we were hip deep in the cold war with communist USSR and we had dumbass democrats placing communists in political positions they had no business holding.  So basically you pov holds no water here.  We've successfully deconstructed commie Russia--thanks to our greatest Prez Ronald Reagan--and moved on to more or less functional relations with that geographic area.  
LASTLY nice try to slip in the typical lib ad hominem of "racist!"  The central premise was all about equal opportunity to conduct business in America.

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QuoteThe NFL can kiss my ass--won't be on my TV this season.  They screw Limbaugh and baby thugs and criminals who play?  F that where does it end if we're going down that road! >:(

And another thing, the NFL did not stop rush from buying the Rams. His partners in the deal dropped him. Do you understand that? rush's business partners kicked him to the curb; the NFL didn't do anything to rush limbaugh. Now, the NFL Player's Association  had some "comments" about limbaugh, but last I heard there is something called freedom of speech in our country. But, the NFL did not block rush from buying the Rams, his business partners dumped him.

Face it, America is getting tired of the racist hate speech that comes from the right.

Get you "story" straight.

Yeah an just why do think that happened?  Pressure form outside!  YOU get the story straight.

You claim the NFL screwed rush; rush screwed himself. I am pretty sure the NFL would not have stopped the deal, it's just that rush has caused so much hate and division that his partners felt he would be baggage they didn't want. rush reaps what he sows, which is division and exclusion. You don't agree with the "pressure" his partners felt? Tough shit.

You know, it's not illegal to dennounce loud-mouth, racist radio show hosts  :-*

What a game, lived up to the expectations. Thought Mendenhall looked damn good until that fumble on the 5 yard line, he needs to fix that problem. Sidney Rice looked to me like a WR who is approaching pro bowl caliber status. Half his catches were either great grabs or showing his improvement experience by finding open areas and helping out Favre. He had a 15-20yd TD called back from a penalty too. Looks like he's 5th in yards and 11th (8th for WRs) in catches now this year. Dudes got skills.

Glad I got to watch this game though, because it looks like every other game besides NO/Miami and HOU/SF were absolute blowouts. Its pretty much 1/3 of the league sucks this year and as long as you dont basically give them the game, you got a win.

QuoteIm mostly interested in seeing what Benson does after all that talk this week about him thinking da Bears tried to sabotage his return to the NFL with another team

;D ;D ;D

He got sweet revenge with a career high in yards for the game. He was on fucking fire.
Bears defense is in bad shape. Injuries are killing them.

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;D ;D ;D

He got sweet revenge with a career high in yards for the game. He was on fucking fire.
Bears defense is in bad shape. Injuries are killing them.

Not that I saw every Bears game when he was there, but I saw nothing out of him in CHI. I realize a big part of the reason they cut him was the off the field stuff, but clearly they didnt think he had the talent worth keeping otherwise you would think they wouldve given him another year or 2.

I dont know if it was attitude stuff there, being lazy, or just needing more time to get accustomed to the speed difference in the NFL, but he looks like a totally different RB this year.

I cant believe the season Ricky Williams is having either  :o

I have Williams on 2 different fantasy leagues. Had him on the bench in one league, but he was in the game on another team. Thank goodness. I also have Benson and OchoCinco too.  Big day for all of those guys!

Headdy, you're not counting that win as a quality win, are you? You know, since you needed 2 defensive TDs to win (your rationale, not mine).

Wow, that was a fun game! The Bengals dominated every aspect from the opening kickoff. Great stuff. The atmosphere in the stadium was electric! We've got our two biggest games of the season after the bye.

fucking dolphins... they had it- I'm so pissed!  They better beat the shit out of the jets next week!

 :o :o :o

and Gay should have gotten a 15 yard penalty for kicking or tripping or whatever he was trying to do to stop Peterson while on his ass

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and Gay should have gotten a 15 yard penalty for kicking or tripping or whatever he was trying to do to stop Peterson while on his ass

Thanks, I didn't get to watch the game or any highlights yet. Clearly, we won! I know we lost, but that's all I'll be taking from that game.

The KC Game. Well, I have pictures of the trip soon, but the game was pretty fun. Once the rain came, or the Chargers had the game wrapped up everyone left. We we got to move up to the first row, so that was pretty sweet. One thing I did enjoy was their sports talk radio. It was refreshing to hear non-homer radio. They realize they aren't doing well, questioning everything about the coaching and players, and they let fans bitch on-air and not cut them off! It was awesome!

QuoteHeaddy, you're not counting that win as a quality win, are you? You know, since you needed 2 defensive TDs to win (your rationale, not mine).

Wow, that was a fun game! The Bengals dominated every aspect from the opening kickoff. Great stuff. The atmosphere in the stadium was electric! We've got our two biggest games of the season after the bye.

Boy am I disappointed in the Bears.  They had been playing so well and looked strong against the Falcons.  I know back to back road games is never easy but wow did you guys look good!  I feel like we were horribly outcoached to go down so quickly.  Good game for the Bengals.

As for Benson, I probably watched at least 80% of the games he played with the Bears and he looked nothing like this.  Not that we ever had a great run blocking O-Line but he has slimmed down and has burst and one cut explosion that he never showed in Chicago.  Hell, I never saw him look this good in Texas where is YPC was never that great for a stud college back.  I don't know what he is taking but it is working for sure.

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and Gay should have gotten a 15 yard penalty for kicking or tripping or whatever he was trying to do to stop Peterson while on his ass

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i don't think so :P

QuoteHeaddy, you're not counting that win as a quality win, are you? You know, since you needed 2 defensive TDs to win (your rationale, not mine).

Well, its too bad I never said anything about defensive TD's not being big, Ruckus did.

Keep trying, chief!

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and Gay should have gotten a 15 yard penalty for kicking or tripping or whatever he was trying to do to stop Peterson while on his ass

Funny how we beat one of the best teams in the league, and you come and troll it up with the highlight of the day for the Vikes  ;D

Not 100% about this, but Im pretty sure tripping a runner with your legs is perfectly legal. I know its legal in college. And if it isnt, its not like they wouldnt have gotten the ball after a penalty where AD basically ended up

Sick play by AD though...best RB in the league like everyone didnt know that already. Very pleased how well we kept AD in check outside of 3 plays.

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As for Benson, I probably watched at least 80% of the games he played with the Bears and he looked nothing like this.  Not that we ever had a great run blocking O-Line but he has slimmed down and has burst and one cut explosion that he never showed in Chicago.  Hell, I never saw him look this good in Texas where is YPC was never that great for a stud college back.  I don't know what he is taking but it is working for sure.

Thats what I thought but I figured you'd have more insight as a Bears fan

Maybe he is on something, but I think getting in better shape and wanting to prove he can ball in the league is a big part of it

COLTS! 15 game winning streak is 5th best in league history... :)

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Funny how we beat one of the best teams in the league, and you come and troll it up with the highlight of the day for the Vikes  ;D

Trust me, there is nothing troll like about that clip; that's one of the best open field ass kickings I have ever seen (ever!). Watch it again man, it's just brutal.

The fluke interception that followed was a gift to the steelers; the Vikes were on their way to the win.

QuoteCOLTS! 15 game winning streak is 5th best in league history... :)

yeah, but they're easily the worst team to have a 15 game win streak

Yeah I know. Really does not take that much talent to put that string together...

QuoteCOLTS! 15 game winning streak is 5th best in league history... :)

Pretty sure its a 6 game winning streak. They lost to SD in the playoffs 7 games ago

That said, theyre looking tough so far this year

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Funny how we beat one of the best teams in the league, and you come and troll it up with the highlight of the day for the Vikes  ;D

Trust me, there is nothing troll like about that clip; that's one of the best open field ass kickings I have ever seen (ever!). Watch it again man, it's just brutal.

The fluke interception that followed was a gift to the steelers; the Vikes were on their way to the win.

Keep telling yourself that! Sorry you couldnt come here the last couple days and rip the Steelers since we didnt lose. I know you wanted to.

I even said AD trucking Willie Gay was a sweet play, but youre really reaching to say one of the best ever. Especially seeing as how AD weighs 27lbs more than Gay to begin with. Its not like he blew up LaMarr Woodley.

Its about that time you start preparing for the Steelers to take your Donkeys from teh ranks of the unbeaten  ;)

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Funny how we beat one of the best teams in the league, and you come and troll it up with the highlight of the day for the Vikes  ;D

Trust me, there is nothing troll like about that clip; that's one of the best open field ass kickings I have ever seen (ever!). Watch it again man, it's just brutal.

The fluke interception that followed was a gift to the steelers; the Vikes were on their way to the win.

Keep telling yourself that!

An innocent little pass that goes right through Taylor's hands and into Fox's "lap" (as Fox said). It was a fluke interception and that happens; no need to deny it was a fluke, is there? I mean, you guys won, right?

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Im not denying it was a lucky interception, I was wondering how you knew the Vikings were on their way to winning? Last time I checked they were down 3 points when that happened.

Some nice tackling skills exhibited by Farve not only on that return but Woodleys also  ;D

So I'm trying to work out a trade in my money league.

I need a rb badly. But not as bad as he needs Wr's. He starts holt, berrian, and burleson.

He wants Moss, Driver, and Maroney for MJD and Witten. I think I'm giving up too much and making his team the best in our division.

Thoughts?  

Well, we know how Heady feels about Berrian....

I'd have to look at the rest of your team.  I wouldn't sweat giving up Maroney, there's no telling who's getting the ball in NE. Do you need a TE?  Will you be able to fill your WRs slots after giving up Moss and Driver?

Yeah, I need a TE. Cooley's done for the year. I'd start Steve Smith (NYG), Miles Austin, and Wes Welker at the WR spot. And Keven Smith and MJD would be my Rb's. Now that I kind of said that out-loud I'm gonna do the trade.

Sounds like a good trade.

QuoteYeah, I need a TE. Cooley's done for the year. I'd start Steve Smith (NYG), Miles Austin, and Wes Welker at the WR spot. And Keven Smith and MJD would be my Rb's. Now that I kind of said that out-loud I'm gonna do the trade.

I think that trade is pretty fair. Maroney is basically a throw in IMO.

If you havent done it yet, Id try to trade Austin instead of Driver. GB's OL is bad this year, which is why Jennings hasnt been the deep threat of years past. Driver's been running all the short routes and getting a ton of targets and receptions (and has been very consistent). I think Driver has a great shot and ending up with the best receiving stats on that team, and they got a great passing O.

MJD has been inconsistent, but is still Top 5 number wise I believe. I think hell become more reliable.

I dont see why Witten wont start to put up bigger numbers seeing as how dangerous Austin has been, teams cant keep letting Austin beat them like this. Another reason Id rather trade Austin too is because youre getting Witten. I dont like having 2 receivers from the same team (or at least that team).

QuoteWell, we know how Heady feels about Berrian....

Well, like I said a couple of days ago, Sidney Rice is lighting up the league this year. He is now clearly their #1 wideout. Berrian was hands down their #1 WR preseason, with no perceived competition from an qausi-bust in Rice or a rook in Harvin. Rice is the 15th ranked WR in our league right now.

Even with Berrian struggling with injuries this year and missing time, there are only 4 WR's on the waiver wire with more points than him currently. There are 57 IDP's on the WW wire more points than Ware, who didnt even get a sack until 2 weeks ago.

The trade has thus far ended up being more fair than I expected, but it still made no sense strategically, which is what the 2nd paragraph pretty much proves.

Still playing expert, huh, Headdy? You're not a fast learner are you?

Walt's team is in first and beat your team two weeks ago, so I don't where you think you get off talking trash about his strategy. The fact that you're in fifth and he is in first proves that his strategy is better than yours.

Last time I checked, the season aint over....and ending up #1 in the regular season hardly equates to winning it all in the playoffs - which is what matters.

..and I didnt realize that the whole reason he's in 1st is because of Demarcus Ware  ;D

Good job so far though, Walt  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

I ended up trading for Witten. I never start Driver, so I think I got some value for him, plus I needed a TE.

Thanks for the big ups fellas, but I don't think my team is a lock for anything yet. I'd like a first round bye.

Just got done doing a blockbuster...

I get:
Turner
Colston
Bowe
Matt Ryan
Scobee
Ward

I gave:
J. Stewert
Steve Smith
Reggie Bush
Miles Austin
Jets D
Jay Culter

Wow dude, you robbed him. I dont even care which Steve Smith that is, because you got the hands down best RB of the trade, you got the hands down best WR of the trade, and I think Ryan and Cutler are comparable. Even if this is a dynasty league, it doesnt make sense since all the guys you got are young too.

Im assuming thats Derrick Ward..if its Hines, even better

Not sure what the other guy was thinking  ;D

I have a trade on table right now in my $$ league.

I offered DeSean Jax, Knowshon, and TJ Housh for Randy Moss and Brandon Jacobs.

The guy put Moss on the trading block, figured Id throw him an offer. Its been on the table 2-3 days now and he hasnt made a decision yet.

QuoteJust got done doing a blockbuster...

I get:
Turner
Colston
Bowe
Matt Ryan
Scobee
Ward

I gave:
J. Stewert
Steve Smith
Reggie Bush
Miles Austin
Jets D
Jay Culter

Wow, Walt. That is a blockbuster. And, I agree, I think you got the best deal. The QBs are a push, Team DEFs are all overrated, and you got the best out of the RBs and WRs which are what win championships. Were these deals both in the same league? If so you basically have a whole new team. Did you hang on to anyone?

My starting roster is going to be...

Tom Brady
Kevin Smith
Micheal Turner
Wes Welker
Randy Moss
Marques Colston
Jason Witten
Stephen Gostkowski
Packers

I still have Jamaal Charles and Laurence Maroney on the bench.

Only problem is that I have a 3-4 record and tied for last in my division. We have a cap on pick-ups (10), and I've used them all. I won't be able to start 2 WR's this week. I'll be 3-5 and last in the division.  

dont you have MJD too?

QuoteCOLTS! 15 game winning streak is 5th best in league history... :)

COLTS! 16 REGULAR SEASON game winning streak is 3rd best in league history. NE had 21 at one point.

uh-oh   :-/

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Quoteuh-oh   :-/

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7-1 isn't so bad.

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Now youre 1 of the worst 6-1 teams Ive ever seen  ;)

Soon to be 6-2  8-)

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7-1 isn't so bad.

Farve looked great, but Percy Harvin is the fucking man. I might favor them over the Saints or Philly because of the field position advantage the Vikes should have against any opponent. Hard to lose when you start drives at GB's 14, own 37, own 33, and GB 38  :o

So, when the Broncos crush the Steelers at home on Monday night, does that mean the Ravens are the best team in the AFC North, since they beat the Broncos?
Or, are the Bengels the best team, because they beat both Balitmore and Pitts, and only lost to Denver because of Divine Intervention?
Hmmm... either way, I think Pittsburgh is the 3rd best team in the AFC North, and the Broncos are going to win on Monday night.

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Or, are the Bengels the best team, because they beat both Balitmore and Pitts, and only lost to Denver because of Divine Intervention?
Hmmm... either way, I think Pittsburgh is the 3rd best team in the AFC North, and the Broncos are going to win on Monday night.

The best team is whoever wins the Super Bowl.

People forget that Steelers have yet to play the Ravens and in two weeks from now will play the Bungals in Pittsburgh. I really don't see Denver putting up points on our defense, BTW.

It all depends on how well you are playing in December and January.

If the Broncs can make it to the playoffs, they have a shot; the Cardinals proved that last year and could have easily won the Super Bowl.

Exciting season so far!

Steelers are tough, no doubt. But that D is somewhat overrated, IMHO, and I believe the Broncos will pull out a win at home.
Our defense has been one the best in the leauge (until last week, that is) and I think they are going to give Big Ben and the boys a rough reception in the Mile High City.
No one in this town has forgotten that AFC championship game, believe me.

QuoteIt all depends on how well you are playing in December and January.

This is right on the money.

Do I think the Steelers are playing the best ball in the country right now? No. Do I think they can improve and get to that level? Yes.

What does Indy do every year? Look awesome the first 10-12 weeks of the year, and then lose in the 1st playoff game more often than not. Id rather be playing like we are right now, than at our highest level right now, because you simply cant sustain it for a whole year.

Sort of similar to hockey, where the playoffs are a couple notches up in intensity - not because teams slack off in during the season, but you cant play at that level for 8 months straight.

QuoteSo, when the Broncos crush the Steelers at home on Monday night, does that mean the Ravens are the best team in the AFC North, since they beat the Broncos?

Youre going to be in for a disappointing night if you think youre going to crush us. I wouldnt be amazed if you beat us, but itll be less than 7 points if you do.

Seeing as how Baltimore totally abused your offense, Im not sure why you think your O will be much more successful against our defense. The one thing you might have in you favor is if our safety Ryan Clark doesnt play because of his sickle cell trait. Last time he played in Denver, he had to get his spleen and gallbladder removed and is questionable to play this monday due to the altitude. Big dropoff if he doesnt play, huge emotional boost for us if he does.

...and how is the Pittsburgh D overrated? They had a record setting year last year, and once again are 1st against the run this year, despite missing Polamalu and Aaron Smith for extended periods of time.

If anything, the Broncos are the team that got exposed last week

tough week for my defenses... don't know if I should start Miami vs. New England or Denver vs Pit.... both teams can pull of upsets... its just a matter of which one!

Vegas has Pittsburgh -3 at Denver Monday night   :-X

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I'm talking about overall defense, and the numbers don't lie.
Denver, currently ranked #1.
Pitts, currently ranked #8.

Your boys aren't even in the top 5 in the leauge, and we should be trembling w/ fear, huh?
That's what I mean by "overrated".

Quotetough week for my defenses... don't know if I should start Miami vs. New England or Denver vs Pit.... both teams can pull of upsets... its just a matter of which one!

Id start Denver simply because Miami's O is one dimensional. If NE gets up big, which is possible, Miami wont be able to run as often and I see them having less sustained drives if thats the case. Which all adds up to Miami's D being on the field more and getting scored on.

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Denver, currently ranked #1.
Pitts, currently ranked #8.

Your boys aren't even in the top 5 in the leauge, and we should be trembling w/ fear, huh?
That's what I mean by "overrated".

Correct. Denver is giving up about 25 less YPG, about 10 more rush YPG, are 10% better on 3rd down conversions, have 30 more penalty yards, and have 2 more sacks and 1 more INT than Pittsburgh on the year.

Pittsburgh O has 27 more points and averages about 40 more YPG than Denver's O

So basically, everything is pretty even. No need to tremble in fear, but you dont really have an advantage either.

not NFL, but pretty crazy  :o

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I just gotta say my Bengals look for real this year! The defense is finally winning games for us. This is a beautiful season so far!

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.....fucking suck. what an overrated crap team. the red zone offense is pathetic. they played like the football gods owed them a win, no hustle. thank you for making the last month of sundays suck for me.

in other news, i liked the bucs' retros this afternoon. yay for orange and metrosexual pirate logos.

How about that Bengals defense today? And that's without Antwan Odom.... Their secondary was fucking insane today.

Benson racked up over 100 yards again vs the Ravens. Congrats to that guy. Helluva year he's having.

Oh, and what about the Titans? VY has looked good the last 2 weeks. I wonder if he can keep it up.

QuoteHow about that Bengals defense today? And that's without Antwan Odom.... Their secondary was fucking insane today.

Benson racked up over 100 yards again vs the Ravens. Congrats to that guy. Helluva year he's having.

Oh, and what about the Titans? VY has looked good the last 2 weeks. I wonder if he can keep it up.

the good news- I just picked up the Cincinnati's defense on fantasy football. the bad news- I started flacco against Cincinnati's defense on sunday... he rewarded me with zero points.

QuoteHow about that Bengals defense today? And that's without Antwan Odom.... Their secondary was fucking insane today.

Benson racked up over 100 yards again vs the Ravens. Congrats to that guy. Helluva year he's having.

Oh, and what about the Titans? VY has looked good the last 2 weeks. I wonder if he can keep it up.

Yeah, the Bengals looked fantastic defensively again.  Joseph and Hall seem to be the real deal though Mason and Clayton did not make plays when they had the opportunity.  Clearly Bengals fans recognize this but I think the rest of the country is starting to realize that Marvin Lewis has finally put HIS stamp on this team that revolves around the D.  People here in B'more are not happy right now.

What's up with VY underthrowing deep balls consistently.  Gage went up to make that incredible catch but there were some others that could have been trouble but he lucked out.

That 4th and 1 goal line option to the weak side was remarkable. Chris Johnson had no business staying inbounds.  Instead he plants on the sideline and goes up 90 degrees to get in the endzone.  Not sure many other players could have stayed in and gotten in. :o

As for your Titans I thank them.  It was my one big play of the weekend taking the Titans getting 4.5. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

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.....fucking suck. what an overrated crap team. the red zone offense is pathetic. they played like the football gods owed them a win, no hustle. thank you for making the last month of sundays suck for me.

yeah, theyve really fell apart this year. Not having Ross and Phillips in the secondary is huge, but clearly there's more going on that just that.

Quote Clearly Bengals fans recognize this but I think the rest of the country is starting to realize that Marvin Lewis has finally put HIS stamp on this team that revolves around the D.  People here in B'more are not happy right now.

Im glad they didnt fire Lewis. He's alway seemed like a pretty good coach, but all the disciplinary stuff for a couple years and high draft picks not panning out due to injury or off the field issues (David Pollack, Odell Thurman, Kenny Irons, etc) were IMO the biggest reason they struggled.

Surprised to see them contain B-more like that after they looked just as dominating vs the Broncos last week....and we all know how good the Broncos are

Big game tonight...With a win, next weeks game vs the bungals looms even larger.

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Im glad they didnt fire Lewis. He's alway seemed like a pretty good coach, but all the disciplinary stuff for a couple years and high draft picks not panning out due to injury or off the field issues (David Pollack, Odell Thurman, Kenny Irons, etc) were IMO the biggest reason they struggled.

Surprised to see them contain B-more like that after they looked just as dominating vs the Broncos last week....and we all know how good the Broncos are

Big game tonight...With a win, next weeks game vs the bungals looms even larger.

How big of you to give cincy some ups.  But it was Chicago they man-handled two weeks ago.  They SHOULD have beat Denver in week one.  Cincy and pitt have big weeks this week and next.  A win next week for cincy and we would have to royally crumble down the stretch in order to not make the playoffs.

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I think he's still trying to knock the rust off. He OVERthrew at least one pass last week and maybe this week too. Can't really remember. I tend to switch back and forth between several games at a time and it all runs together at a certain point. He did hit Gage for a nice 49 yarder in the 1st quarter yesterday on a perfectly thrown ball. He's been pretty damn consistent so far. Sure, he's missed a few, but his percentage isn't bad so far. I think Heimerdinger is slowly trying to ease him back into things.

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Im glad they didnt fire Lewis. He's alway seemed like a pretty good coach, but all the disciplinary stuff for a couple years and high draft picks not panning out due to injury or off the field issues (David Pollack, Odell Thurman, Kenny Irons, etc) were IMO the biggest reason they struggled.

Surprised to see them contain B-more like that after they looked just as dominating vs the Broncos last week....and we all know how good the Broncos are

Big game tonight...With a win, next weeks game vs the bungals looms even larger.

How big of you to give cincy some ups.  But it was Chicago they man-handled two weeks ago.  They SHOULD have beat Denver in week one.  Cincy and pitt have big weeks this week and next.  A win next week for cincy and we would have to royally crumble down the stretch in order to not make the playoffs.

Oh c'mon.  What was I supposed to say about the royal ass whuppin' you gave us.  There was nothing to say.  Outcoached, outplayed.  It was horrible to watch.  I give them more props now whuppin' up on the Ravens two games in a row over a beat down of my Bears who I realize have some serious holes.

Ok, Capt. what can I say? A team got crushed tonight, but, sadly, it wasn't the Steelers.
The Denver offense looks absolutely inept right now. Ugly, ugly game from Orton. Terrible decision making all night, and some really badly thrown balls.
Looks like the Mile High Curse is with us once again (start out strong, then hit the skids around game 7)
Oh well. Now we get to see how these boys handle adversity.
At least I'm not a Giants fan.
Those guys really suck.  :P

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Or, are the Bengels the best team, because they beat both Balitmore and Pitts, and only lost to Denver because of Divine Intervention?
Hmmm... either way, I think Pittsburgh is the 3rd best team in the AFC North, and the Broncos are going to win on Monday night.

The best team is whoever wins the Super Bowl.

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Quote...and how is the Pittsburgh D overrated? They had a record setting year last year, and once again are 1st against the run this year, despite missing Polamalu and Aaron Smith for extended periods of time.

I'm talking about overall defense, and the numbers don't lie.
Denver, currently ranked #1.
Pitts, currently ranked #8.

Your boys aren't even in the top 5 in the leauge, and we should be trembling w/ fear, huh?
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Football is amazing. For some reason, all the momentum swung to the Steelers last night after Rothlisberger fumbled and Ayers went for 6. Pitt got the ball back and scored in 4 plays. Then Orton forgot he was an NFL QB.

Strange game but the Steelers were dominant in the 2nd half and the Broncs looked like they were suffering b/c of the altitude.

Asking for the playoffs this year may have been too much for the Broncs, but hopefully they keep it together. We'll see.

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Im glad they didnt fire Lewis. He's alway seemed like a pretty good coach, but all the disciplinary stuff for a couple years and high draft picks not panning out due to injury or off the field issues (David Pollack, Odell Thurman, Kenny Irons, etc) were IMO the biggest reason they struggled.

Surprised to see them contain B-more like that after they looked just as dominating vs the Broncos last week....and we all know how good the Broncos are

Big game tonight...With a win, next weeks game vs the bungals looms even larger.

How big of you to give cincy some ups.  But it was Chicago they man-handled two weeks ago.  They SHOULD have beat Denver in week one.  Cincy and pitt have big weeks this week and next.  A win next week for cincy and we would have to royally crumble down the stretch in order to not make the playoffs.

What I was saying there was the Ravens owned the Broncos last week, so I was surprised how bad you owned the Ravens this week. Maybe Ravens lost a little urgency after winning so convincingly? Probably not, but who knows. Theyre better than a .500 team, but going to be tough sledding for them down the stretch. They need to win at least 1 of their games vs. the Steelers

And I dislike the Bungals because theyre the Bungals, just like you the Steelers, but when they actually can ball I respect them.

QuoteOk, Capt. what can I say? A team got crushed tonight, but, sadly, it wasn't the Steelers.
The Denver offense looks absolutely inept right now. Ugly, ugly game from Orton. Terrible decision making all night, and some really badly thrown balls.
Looks like the Mile High Curse is with us once again (start out strong, then hit the skids around game 7)
Oh well. Now we get to see how these boys handle adversity.
At least I'm not a Giants fan.
Those guys really suck.  :P

Your passing O is pretty good, but to beat a D as good as the Steelers you cant just throw 8 yard passes all night. Even with great YAC WR's like Marshall and Royal.

And getting 27 yards rushing at 1.9 per attempt aint going to cut it either  8-)

Like Ive been saying for a month now, Broncos are good, probably a playoff team, but they arent/werent 6-0 good. Im glad we wont have to go through Mile High in all liklihood if we make a playoff run. That game was at Mile High last night, right? I saw an awful lot of Terrible Towels

QuoteFootball is amazing. For some reason, all the momentum swung to the Steelers last night after Rothlisberger fumbled and Ayers went for 6. Pitt got the ball back and scored in 4 plays. Then Orton forgot he was an NFL QB.

Strange game but the Steelers were dominant in the 2nd half and the Broncs looked like they were suffering b/c of the altitude.

Asking for the playoffs this year may have been too much for the Broncs, but hopefully they keep it together. We'll see.

For someone who seemed so confident that I was way off on the Broncos this year, and also thought they would beat the Steelers, you switch gears mighty fast.

Hows that gash Rashard Mendenhall put into you doin?  ;)

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Reality does that sometimes. It's as if I am going down a big mountain road with bad brakes; it would make little sense to switch in to a higher gear...  :-/

Well, it was about 3 weeks ago that I laughed at both the Cowboys and the Chargers.  I still don't feel the Chargers have the physicality on either front to challenge the top teams in the AFC and Rivers can take them only so far.

On the other hand, the Cowboys are a very balanced team in an NFC that is looking rather wide open.  That said, the Boys and Romo in particular do not have a good track record down the stretch.  

If I had to choose one that can do some real damage, I'd have to go with the Cowboys.

Who am I kidding?  It's already been decided that it will be a Jets/Bears Super Bowl.

The Saints look great but do you guys feel like they are peaking too early or are they just that team this year?

I think SD is solid despite having no running game, but yeah, I cant see them beating any AFC playoff teams.

Id say the Cowboys could do more damage just because after NO and MIN, I think you have to look at 6-7 teams that are better in the AFC than anything thats left after those 2 in the NFC. I guess you could say the NFC is wide open, but I cant see any team but NO or MIN in the super bowl.

I dont know if the Saints are peaking early or not. I think as the year goes, teams will start to figure out their D a little more. What helps them is that the playoffs will likely go through a dome in NO or in MIN, because Im not sure how tough theyd be outdoors in January someplaces. I doubt they can keep up as much offensive production as they have thus far though.

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You talk shit too soon, we'll see about that November 15.

8-) 8-) 8-)

I guess I can talk shit now.  Cincinnati rules the AFC North.  

How about that defense?!

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I guess I can talk shit now.  Cincinnati rules the AFC North.  

How about that defense?!

Gotta love it, I just hope that the players from both teams didn't get too badly banged up...  :-/

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I guess I can talk shit now.  Cincinnati rules the AFC North.  

How about that defense?!

Gotta love it, I just hope that the players from both teams didn't get too badly banged up...  :-/

Bengals are a big surprise, i give lots of props for sweeping the steelers and ravens this year. it isn't over yet though. see ya in the playoffs, hopefully!

C-O-L-T-S!!!  :)

Bengals need to keep their fingers crossed that Benson isn't too badly banged up. That cut hurt them tremendously if he has to miss any games.

QuoteC-O-L-T-S!!!  :)

So ummm....I put a good chunk of change on the Pats straight up on the moneyline.  They were getting 1.5 points.  I thought that's basically a pick 'em and I felt confident in the Pats with the Colts secondary so banged up.

Man those 1.5 points would have been nice :(

Congrats to your Colts TEO!  That was an impressive victory.

I know it's been beat to death but man I'm confused about that 4th down call.

Those two teams are incredible and Peyton Manning is amazing.  His accuracy and quick reads will never be matched.  I love how Garcon was never open during the game yet Manning was putting it in his hands every time he targeted him though Garcon didn't make a number of those plays.

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I guess I can talk shit now.  Cincinnati rules the AFC North.  

How about that defense?!

Gotta love it, I just hope that the players from both teams didn't get too badly banged up...  :-/

Bengals are a big surprise, i give lots of props for sweeping the steelers and ravens this year. it isn't over yet though. see ya in the playoffs, hopefully!

I dont think our offense was in sync at all, and I dont understand why they didnt run Mendenhall more. I also dont know why Ben started chucking the ball 40 yards downfield every series to covered receivers when usually our pass game is at its best when he works the underneath stuff more often. Gotta give cincy credit though, tough game, big win. They look like the Steelers these days with good defense and a running game  ;D

I cant help but think losing Polamalu early had a big impact, and I think from an emotional and leadership standpoint moreso than just his play. I think he gives the entire team, including the offense, a boost when he's playing.

That kick return TD seemed like it took the noise out of the crowd for the rest of the game too. If Jeff Reed could hunt down returners like he can hunt down 22yr old girls on the Southside on a friday night, we might be going somewhere.

Oh, and you best believe we be going to the playoffs True! I hope we get Round 3.

QuoteBengals need to keep their fingers crossed that Benson isn't too badly banged up. That cut hurt them tremendously if he has to miss any games.

Benson has been playing very good, no doubt, but I think their O-Line has a lot to do with it as well. He'll be playing in a month at the most, so either way he'll be around when it counts. Wouldnt surprise me if Scott, LJ, or whoever steal 7-10 carries from him a game here on out though until playoff time

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So ummm....I put a good chunk of change on the Pats straight up on the moneyline.  They were getting 1.5 points.  I thought that's basically a pick 'em and I felt confident in the Pats with the Colts secondary so banged up.

Man those 1.5 points would have been nice :(

Congrats to your Colts TEO!  That was an impressive victory.

I know it's been beat to death but man I'm confused about that 4th down call.

Those two teams are incredible and Peyton Manning is amazing.  His accuracy and quick reads will never be matched.  I love how Garcon was never open during the game yet Manning was putting it in his hands every time he targeted him though Garcon didn't make a number of those plays.

Man, you always gotta take the points!! A couple years ago I was kind of on a small time betting spree, mostly on boxing and a little football. I decided to go big time on the Colts-Pats 07 regular season game because I had been doing so well, both teams 7-0 Im pretty sure, and I think I took the Pats -6.5...they won by 4. I havent made a bet of significance since  ;D

I see both sides of the argument on the 4th down call. I think you have to punt there, but I also dont think NE was stopping the plains plowing Indy offensive machine given the circumstance and the last couple drives either. I dont think it was a bad call really.

Peyton Manning is the best QB ever. Right now, already. Going to be awhile or never until someone is better.

Run Ricky Run!  :)

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If I was a Dolphin fan, Id kind of want to see what I have in Chad Henne though. Its not like Pennington is going to take you to the promised land.

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Is Hiene really doing that much better?

Well the only teams theyve lost to since he's been starting are NO and NE

Obviously he's not the biggest reason why, but he also hasnt lost them any games either. Seems pretty good to me

Way to prove yourselves the biggest last second screwups in the NFL once again, Bengals. :-/

QuoteWay to prove yourselves the biggest last second screwups in the NFL once again, Bengals. :-/

Seeing the bungals lose now just pisses me off even more since we blew that game against KC  >:(

That Iggles-Berrs game was pretty good. Despite it not necessarily being highlight reel material, it was damn entertaining. Collinsworth kept saying it, but Peanut Tillman is mos def 1 of the most underrated DB's in teh League.

I cant believe D-Jax just keeps it real every week. Unbelievable, and pretty sure he already set a record for 40+ yd TDs in a yr

QuoteWay to prove yourselves the biggest last second screwups in the NFL once again, Bengals. :-/

(Cue 'The Autumn Wind')

Man, if those damn Raiders can pull off a win on Thursday, I'll be one happy fool. Their defense CAN play well, and if they can win the turnover game, they can beat the Cowboys. Of course, they'll probably lose by 30.

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Love that song BBill.  8-)

Chris Johnson is a manimal. Fantasy drafts next year should be interesting, who do you take #1: AD, CJ3, or MJD.

Tennessee is def looking good, Vinny Young looks as good or better than his rookie year, but considering they still gotta play Zona, Miami, SD, and @ Indy, they arent making the playoffs. I think theyll only miss it by a couple games remarkably, but theyll regret starting off 0-6

Fisher's lucky he's the most tenured coach in the league, because it doesnt look very good he needed Bud Adams to tell him to pull Collins and start VY

Young has been really impressive in the last 4 games. These were my thoughts about him from another message board that I'm on:

If he keeps it up, I think that he can do big things. I wasn't bringing him up in the conversation in terms of "all-time greats" or anything, but he has looked really strong the last 4 games that he's started. The exciting part, to me, is that he's looked really good throwing the long-ball. Should have had a really good play last night to Nate Washington, but it bounced right out of his hands on what was a very catch-able pass. He's also been pretty damn accurate. He's making better decisions (like getting out of bounds as was mentioned) and just seems to show more of an overall awareness that he didn't play with 2 years ago. He was fun to watch then, but it was also a little scary at times. The last 4 games have shown that he's at least thinking about what he's doing instead of just trying to make a big play.

QuoteWell the only teams theyve lost to since he's been starting are NO and NE

Obviously he's not the biggest reason why, but he also hasnt lost them any games either. Seems pretty good to me

Yea Henne is doing pretty good- has made some mistakes but he's learning quick.  No INTs and no sacks against Carolina- great mobility and made smart decisions to throw the ball away.

They could have beaten NO and NE and Indy but their complete team didn't show up.

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Love that song BBill.  8-)

Oh yeah...  8-)

I hope to be doing shots with my Dad and Grandpa after a Raiders victory on Thursday. I'll pour my son an ounce of apple juice in his sippy-cup so he can join in too, most of which will end up on the front of whatever he's wearing.  ;D

We'll probably just end up doing shots after a Raiders loss...whatever, we'll all get drunk either way. I love Thanksgiving.

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Love that song BBill.  8-)

GOOSEBUMPS!!
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Have I mentioned that the Titans are killing me yet? :'(

Hard to believe that they started out 10-0 last year, and are now 3-7 in their last 10.

When's the Vince Young era V2.0 going to start? Id want him in now or have Collins on a short leash if I was you.

8-)

who dat team gonna beat them Saints?!  :o

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corey wrote on Sep 28th, 2009, 3:23pm:
Yeah, I figure the Falcons will make the playoffs again this year. Don't know how far they'll make it, but they'll at least get there.

Have I mentioned that the Titans are killing me yet? Cry


Hard to believe that they started out 10-0 last year, and are now 3-7 in their last 10.

When's the Vince Young era V2.0 going to start? Id want him in now or have Collins on a short leash if I was you.


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corey wrote on Sep 28th, 2009, 3:23pm:
Yeah, I figure the Falcons will make the playoffs again this year. Don't know how far they'll make it, but they'll at least get there.

Have I mentioned that the Titans are killing me yet? Cry


Hard to believe that they started out 10-0 last year, and are now 3-7 in their last 10.

When's the Vince Young era V2.0 going to start? Id want him in now or have Collins on a short leash if I was you.


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I think I mentioned it in here a couple weeks ago, but I'll stand by them only losing 1 or 2 games the rest of the year, but kicking themselves for starting 0-6 as they wont make the playoffs at 9-7 or 8-8

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corey wrote on Sep 28th, 2009, 3:23pm:
Yeah, I figure the Falcons will make the playoffs again this year. Don't know how far they'll make it, but they'll at least get there.

Have I mentioned that the Titans are killing me yet? Cry


Hard to believe that they started out 10-0 last year, and are now 3-7 in their last 10.

When's the Vince Young era V2.0 going to start? Id want him in now or have Collins on a short leash if I was you.


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Hard to believe how well VY is playing. But MAN, he has looked really good. That drive at the end of the Cardinals game was awesome.

I think I mentioned it in here a couple weeks ago, but I'll stand by them only losing 1 or 2 games the rest of the year, but kicking themselves for starting 0-6 as they wont make the playoffs at 9-7 or 8-8

Chris Johnson predicted they would go undefeated for the rest of the season after they fell to 0-6.  He also predicted he would have a 2000 yard season.  It may be smarter than we all thought.

Hell, if he stays healthy 2000 yards is almost a lock. 6 straight games with 120+ yards. He can have a couple of 50 yards rushing games and still have a great shot at it the way he can make an average week a great one in just 1 run.

Because of CJ3, Steven Jackson is having a very underreported excellent year and would be leading the league in rushing.

I'll start believing they go 10-6 if they beat Indy this week.

COLTS!!!  :)

I don't think they'll get off that easy this weekend with the Colts, but I think they could give them a good run for it. It should be a fun one to watch.

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Wow the Titans have become the most fun team in football to watch.  I hope the offensive coordinator tries to become more creative in utilizing VY and CJ together.  There are things they could run with those two that no other team in the league could even contemplate doing as far as keeping the defense honest.

The Bears are done but I haven't given up on the Jets yet.  5-6, with games against the Bills and Bucs upcoming.  They somehow get those 2 and its anyone's game. :)

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Wow the Titans have become the most fun team in football to watch.  I hope the offensive coordinator tries to become more creative in utilizing VY and CJ together.  There are things they could run with those two that no other team in the league could even contemplate doing as far as keeping the defense honest.

The Bears are done but I haven't given up on the Jets yet.  5-6, with games against the Bills and Bucs upcoming.  They somehow get those 2 and its anyone's game. :)

Watch out for the Bills and Bucs- they can play... Bills secondary is nasty... Dolphins got killed in the 4th quarter by them :(  Almost lost to the Bucs too!  

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Wow the Titans have become the most fun team in football to watch.  I hope the offensive coordinator tries to become more creative in utilizing VY and CJ together.  There are things they could run with those two that no other team in the league could even contemplate doing as far as keeping the defense honest.

The Bears are done but I haven't given up on the Jets yet.  5-6, with games against the Bills and Bucs upcoming.  They somehow get those 2 and its anyone's game. :)

Watch out for the Bills and Bucs- they can play... Bills secondary is nasty... Dolphins got killed in the 4th quarter by them :(  Almost lost to the Bucs too!  

I recognize how talented the Bills are.  Hence the "if they somehow get those 2" comment.  These are the Jets.  I don't assume any wins ever, in any year.

So where are those Broncos boys.  BSR, where are ya?  After that dominant performance, I'd be tooting my horn.

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Wow the Titans have become the most fun team in football to watch.  I hope the offensive coordinator tries to become more creative in utilizing VY and CJ together.  There are things they could run with those two that no other team in the league could even contemplate doing as far as keeping the defense honest.

The Bears are done but I haven't given up on the Jets yet.  5-6, with games against the Bills and Bucs upcoming.  They somehow get those 2 and its anyone's game. :)

Watch out for the Bills and Bucs- they can play... Bills secondary is nasty... Dolphins got killed in the 4th quarter by them :(  Almost lost to the Bucs too!  

I recognize how talented the Bills are.  Hence the "if they somehow get those 2" comment.  These are the Jets.  I don't assume any wins ever, in any year.

So where are those Broncos boys.  BSR, where are ya?  After that dominant performance, I'd be tooting my horn.

as a Phins fan- I know exactly what you mean.  I'm not comfortable  with a 21 point lead in the 4th... A win is a lock for me when the game is over.  ;D

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Wow the Titans have become the most fun team in football to watch.  I hope the offensive coordinator tries to become more creative in utilizing VY and CJ together.  There are things they could run with those two that no other team in the league could even contemplate doing as far as keeping the defense honest.

The Bears are done but I haven't given up on the Jets yet.  5-6, with games against the Bills and Bucs upcoming.  They somehow get those 2 and its anyone's game. :)

Watch out for the Bills and Bucs- they can play... Bills secondary is nasty... Dolphins got killed in the 4th quarter by them :(  Almost lost to the Bucs too!  

I recognize how talented the Bills are.  Hence the "if they somehow get those 2" comment.  These are the Jets.  I don't assume any wins ever, in any year.

So where are those Broncos boys.  BSR, where are ya?  After that dominant performance, I'd be tooting my horn.

this place is dead   :-/

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Wow the Titans have become the most fun team in football to watch.  I hope the offensive coordinator tries to become more creative in utilizing VY and CJ together.  There are things they could run with those two that no other team in the league could even contemplate doing as far as keeping the defense honest.

The Bears are done but I haven't given up on the Jets yet.  5-6, with games against the Bills and Bucs upcoming.  They somehow get those 2 and its anyone's game. :)

Watch out for the Bills and Bucs- they can play... Bills secondary is nasty... Dolphins got killed in the 4th quarter by them :(  Almost lost to the Bucs too!  

I recognize how talented the Bills are.  Hence the "if they somehow get those 2" comment.  These are the Jets.  I don't assume any wins ever, in any year.

So where are those Broncos boys.  BSR, where are ya?  After that dominant performance, I'd be tooting my horn.

this place is dead   :-/

its... its dead?  :'(

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Wow the Titans have become the most fun team in football to watch.  I hope the offensive coordinator tries to become more creative in utilizing VY and CJ together.  There are things they could run with those two that no other team in the league could even contemplate doing as far as keeping the defense honest.

The Bears are done but I haven't given up on the Jets yet.  5-6, with games against the Bills and Bucs upcoming.  They somehow get those 2 and its anyone's game. :)

Watch out for the Bills and Bucs- they can play... Bills secondary is nasty... Dolphins got killed in the 4th quarter by them :(  Almost lost to the Bucs too!  

I recognize how talented the Bills are.  Hence the "if they somehow get those 2" comment.  These are the Jets.  I don't assume any wins ever, in any year.

So where are those Broncos boys.  BSR, where are ya?  After that dominant performance, I'd be tooting my horn.

this place is dead   :-/

So sorry this place is dead.  Could you resurrect it?

I am now convinced that my stone hands are better than Braylon Edwards' hands.  It's been painful to watch for the last 2 years but now that he is wearing green, it's that much more painful to bear.  He has now cost us 1.5 games this year because of his Orlando Jones hands.

I go back to my corner to cry :'(

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Wow the Titans have become the most fun team in football to watch.  I hope the offensive coordinator tries to become more creative in utilizing VY and CJ together.  There are things they could run with those two that no other team in the league could even contemplate doing as far as keeping the defense honest.

The Bears are done but I haven't given up on the Jets yet.  5-6, with games against the Bills and Bucs upcoming.  They somehow get those 2 and its anyone's game. :)

Watch out for the Bills and Bucs- they can play... Bills secondary is nasty... Dolphins got killed in the 4th quarter by them :(  Almost lost to the Bucs too!  

I recognize how talented the Bills are.  Hence the "if they somehow get those 2" comment.  These are the Jets.  I don't assume any wins ever, in any year.

So where are those Broncos boys.  BSR, where are ya?  After that dominant performance, I'd be tooting my horn.

this place is dead   :-/

So sorry this place is dead.  Could you resurrect it?

I am now convinced that my stone hands are better than Braylon Edwards' hands.  It's been painful to watch for the last 2 years but now that he is wearing green, it's that much more painful to bear.  He has now cost us 1.5 games this year because of his Orlando Jones hands.

I go back to my corner to cry :'(

Is that a Replacements reference?!  ;D

I thought the Jets won last night?!

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Heard about this on Jim Rome's radio show yesterday  ;D

I also heard every other billboard in Cali is something called "lapband"? WTF is a lapband?

Too bad Al Davis lives in the basement of the stadium, so he'll never see that billboard

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But they still show respect by calling him Mister Davis. That's funny how it's got to this point, but I always kinda liked Al. I hope he never hires a GM.

Toronto is still buzzing after last night's Jets-Bills game at the Rogers Centre. Actually, few cared about the over-hyped, over-priced, poorly attended (Rogers bought up thousands of tickets and gave them away) crapfest. Toronto loves NFL football, but it's not necessarily a Bills town. Most Ontario Bills fans live closer to the border.

QuoteToronto is still buzzing after last night's Jets-Bills game at the Rogers Centre. Actually, few cared about the over-hyped, over-priced, poorly attended (Rogers bought up thousands of tickets and gave them away) crapfest. Toronto loves NFL football, but it's not necessarily a Bills town. Most Ontario Bills fans live closer to the border.

Apparently there's 15,000 Canadians that make the drive to Buffalo every home game. Where in Canada are they from, I don't know. How far is Toronto from Detroit? I would assume if Detroit had a good team, there would be more Lion fans than the Bills. But Jaimoe, Ontario does border Minnesota too, are you a Vikings fan?

and then you have my team...i think the Sports Guy summed up what cleveland fans are thinking right about now:

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First, the Cavs choke in the 2009 playoffs. Second, the best two starters on the 2008 Indians start Game 1 of the 2009 World Series for two teams not named "Cleveland." Third, the Browns clean house and hire Eric Mangini, who takes that same house and sets it on fire with a flame thrower. Fourth, what could end up being LeBron's final Cavs season is distinguished early by Shaq looking like a bald Aretha Franklin and LeBron's body language occasionally lapsing into "I can't wait to find a new team; I am tired of playing with crap teammates" mode. And fifth, there are two nights of star-studded concerts to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame -- located in Cleveland, as you know -- and those concerts happen at Madison Square Garden.
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Quoteand then you have my team...i think the Sports Guy summed up what cleveland fans are thinking right about now:

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First, the Cavs choke in the 2009 playoffs. Second, the best two starters on the 2008 Indians start Game 1 of the 2009 World Series for two teams not named "Cleveland." Third, the Browns clean house and hire Eric Mangini, who takes that same house and sets it on fire with a flame thrower. Fourth, what could end up being LeBron's final Cavs season is distinguished early by Shaq looking like a bald Aretha Franklin and LeBron's body language occasionally lapsing into "I can't wait to find a new team; I am tired of playing with crap teammates" mode. And fifth, there are two nights of star-studded concerts to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame -- located in Cleveland, as you know -- and those concerts happen at Madison Square Garden.
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Having a buddy from Cleveland, I love it! He has to be the biggest homer, but he has nothing to be a homer about. Which maybe makes him a really good fan?

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Apparently there's 15,000 Canadians that make the drive to Buffalo every home game. Where in Canada are they from, I don't know. How far is Toronto from Detroit? I would assume if Detroit had a good team, there would be more Lion fans than the Bills. But Jaimoe, Ontario does border Minnesota too, are you a Vikings fan?

Many of the 15,000 Canadian fans that make the trek each week are from areas more southwest than Toronto is: Hamilton (a city of 500,000, located 45 minutes west of Toronto); Niagra Falls; Kitchener and Waterloo (combined population base of 350,000); London (a city of 500,000) and a few others. Southwestern Ontario has a huge population base (around 6 million). There are lots of Bills fans in Toronto, but they aren't the dominant team (even though we get all their TV affiliates).

Toronto is a five hour drive on the 401 highway to Detroit. Lions (and Tigers) fans from Ontario come from the Windsor, Chatam and London areas.

Yes, there are Vikings fans in Ontario, but the majority would be located close to Minnesota. Cities such as Thunder Bay and Sault Ste. Marie come to mind. Minnesota is too far away for any kind of weekly road-trip for folks in the Toronto/southern Ontario areas.

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Many of the 15,000 Canadian fans that make the trek each week are from areas more southwest than Toronto is: Hamilton (a city of 500,000, located 45 minutes west of Toronto); Niagra Falls; Kitchener and Waterloo (combined population base of 350,000); London (a city of 500,000) and a few others. Southwestern Ontario has a huge population base (around 6 million). There are lots of Bills fans in Toronto, but they aren't the dominant team (even though we get all their TV affiliates).

Toronto is a five hour drive on the 401 highway to Detroit. Lions (and Tigers) fans from Ontario come from the Windsor, Chatam and London areas.

Yes, there are Vikings fans in Ontario, but the majority would be located close to Minnesota. Cities such as Thunder Bay and Sault Ste. Marie come to mind. Minnesota is too far away for any kind of weekly road-trip for folks in the Toronto/southern Ontario areas.

Wow, I was way off on the Detroit mileage.  I'm trying to think of what it's called for the the 6million people...is it the golden triangle or something golden, right? Let me know, because I didn't want to cheat and look it up. I just remember that Hamilton was trying to get the Coyotes.

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Many of the 15,000 Canadian fans that make the trek each week are from areas more southwest than Toronto is: Hamilton (a city of 500,000, located 45 minutes west of Toronto); Niagra Falls; Kitchener and Waterloo (combined population base of 350,000); London (a city of 500,000) and a few others. Southwestern Ontario has a huge population base (around 6 million). There are lots of Bills fans in Toronto, but they aren't the dominant team (even though we get all their TV affiliates).

Toronto is a five hour drive on the 401 highway to Detroit. Lions (and Tigers) fans from Ontario come from the Windsor, Chatam and London areas.

Yes, there are Vikings fans in Ontario, but the majority would be located close to Minnesota. Cities such as Thunder Bay and Sault Ste. Marie come to mind. Minnesota is too far away for any kind of weekly road-trip for folks in the Toronto/southern Ontario areas.

Wow, I was way off on the Detroit mileage.  I'm trying to think of what it's called for the the 6million people...is it the golden triangle or something golden, right? Let me know, because I didn't want to cheat and look it up. I just remember that Hamilton was trying to the Coyotes.

The area is called the Golden Horseshoe (because of wealth and prosperity) since wraps around the southwest end of Lake Ontario.

Hamilton is called Steeltown, The Hammer and Hammertown; it's a more blue collar cousin to Pittsburgh. It potentially has the population base (if you include the surrounding area) and ownership to support a NHL team.

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The area is called the Golden Horseshoe (because of wealth and prosperity) since wraps around the southwest end of Lake Ontario.

Hamilton is called Steeltown, The Hammer and Hammertown; it's a more blue collar cousin to Pittsburgh. It potentially has the population base (if you include the surrounding area) and ownership to support a NHL team.

So I was pretty close. I'm gonna bump the hockey thread, because I'd like to get your thoughts on expansion or relocation.

I just hit a 4-team parlay for $350...wooohooo :D.  With all the money that I've lost this season, i felt the need to share my first big win haha.....now its off to the bar.

My god do we suck

i lost my shit during hixon's return against the 'boys today. (if you find my shit, could you please return it) it's been disappointing as a gmen fan lately, but man, today was sweet. the schedule is tough coming up, but i wouldnt have it any other way, lets win some tough games with some heart and guts and just make the playoffs please.

Steelers taken down by the Raiders? Really? They beat the Bengals too. Do you guys think it has anything to do with the QB switch? Gradkowski has been key in the clutch.

QuoteSteelers taken down by the Raiders? Really? They beat the Bengals too. Do you guys think it has anything to do with the QB switch? Gradkowski has been key in the clutch.

sure, that has a ton to do with it.  Jamarcus Russel was like 7 for 30 with 3 interceptions every game.  Now they have a leader, someone that excites the rest of the team, and someone who doesn't give the game away. they call him Dr. B on NFL network, and I think if he wore an eye patch he'd look exactly like the raiders logo.

more importantly, it's nice to see the dolphins win in the 4th quarter instead of throwing the game away.  Back in the hunt, though I'm not sure they'll win enough games to get into the wild card.

QuoteSteelers taken down by the Raiders? Really? They beat the Bengals too. Do you guys think it has anything to do with the QB switch? Gradkowski has been key in the clutch.

Sorry 'bout that one True and Cap'n  8-)

Gradkowski is a big part of it. Having Gallery back on the O-Line has really helped, and our young receivers have been (slowly) improving too. There are amazing athletes on that team, but they're horribly inconsistent. The Defense has had the ability all year to play very well, not that they always have. The Offense has been a joke, but Gradkowski seems to be a better decision maker and can control the offense more effectively than Russell.

Still majorly inconsistent, but the last two wins have been really nice ones, especially flying across the country to PA for a win.  

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Sorry 'bout that one True and Cap'n  8-)

Gradkowski is a big part of it. Having Gallery back on the O-Line has really helped, and our young receivers have been (slowly) improving too. There are amazing athletes on that team, but they're horribly inconsistent. The Defense has had the ability all year to play very well, not that they always have. The Offense has been a joke, but Gradkowski seems to be a better decision maker and can control the offense more effectively than Russell.

Still majorly inconsistent, but the last two wins have been really nice ones, especially flying across the country to PA for a win.  

I really dont know whats happened to our defense. I realize Polamalu is one of the best players in the league, but how bad they have looked without him is embarrassing. 21 points to the Raiders in teh 4th quarter?! Taylor totally blew his coverage and Carter his deep middle assignment on Murphy's 75 yard TD. The unnecessary roughness call on Mundy at the end was BS, but thats the how the NFL for pussies goes these days.

I have NEVER seen a secondary with worse hands than ours this year. No one can catch a ball besides Troy. My highschool's DB's had better hands. Joe Burnett - when the ball hits you in the numbers - you catch the mofo!

Honestly, we dont deserve to make the playoffs after how we've played over the last month, so Im not too mad about it. Since the talents there, its frustrating and surprising, but after that loss yesterday I would say they need to win out to have a shot at the wild card.

Nice win bbill....yinz are movin on up!

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Still only 5 on the season though...His TD:INT ratio is still fantastic. They were bound to lose another game, Arizona is a tough place to play, and when you control All Day like that, you deserve to win.

I still think Vikes get a bye and play at home for the divisional game, and I cant see anyone going into MIN or NO and winning in the playoffs.

COLTS!!! 21 REGULAR season game wins in a row to tie Pats record... :)

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I could.

I tried it, but I can't be a 100% homer. I have to be objective.

AMD, friendly bet on the Vikes vs Bengals? I don't think I've ever seen you with a different picture, so it could be time for a change.


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That sounds good, Walt.  If you pick a Favre pic (as in picture, not interception) I may have to cry.  But I've got a good feeling about this game.  Our D should be able to contain AD and pick off Favre at least three times.  Let's do it!

Thanks for teh help, Packers!

The Jets are alive!  

Oh and Walt, don't give AMD a Childress avatar.  If you win, it has to be one of Favre in a Wrangler jeans commercial

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...on another note, did anyone else notice how Yahoo scored Meachem's fumble return TD play? They gave him a points for teh solo tackle, FF, and FR - which all make sense. HOWEVER - they give him 6 points for an offensive return TD, plus 6 more points for a "defensive" TD. I dont see how in any way you could possible give him duplicate points for the TD.

It didnt have any bearing in our league as Crispy wouldve still lost to Walt, and still has more points than EazyE, but in my money league had I not had 1 more win than the guy currently in 7th, he wouldve made the playoffs on points over me by 4 points based on getting 12pts for Meachem's 1 TD.

Just a little FYI because it might make a difference in some of yinz other leagues. I dont know if Yahoo has a way to alter scoring, but I wouldve lost my shit if I missed the playoffs by 4 points because Yahoo gave Meachem 12pts for 1 TD and it couldnt be corrected

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...on another note, did anyone else notice how Yahoo scored Meachem's fumble return TD play? They gave him a points for teh solo tackle, FF, and FR - which all make sense. HOWEVER - they give him 6 points for an offensive return TD, plus 6 more points for a "defensive" TD. I dont see how in any way you could possible give him duplicate points for the TD.

It didnt have any bearing in our league as Crispy wouldve still lost to Walt, and still has more points than EazyE, but in my money league had I not had 1 more win than the guy currently in 7th, he wouldve made the playoffs on points over me by 4 points based on getting 12pts for Meachem's 1 TD.

Just a little FYI because it might make a difference in some of yinz other leagues. I dont know if Yahoo has a way to alter scoring, but I wouldve lost my shit if I missed the playoffs by 4 points because Yahoo gave Meachem 12pts for 1 TD and it couldnt be corrected

Just as crazy was that they took the TD away from the Saints defense and may have still given them credit for a fumble recovery.  If you ask me, that is a defensive TD.  I guess in our format in the MMJ league, it kind of makes sense as points are given for defensive plays by offensive players.  I agree that one player should NEVER get 2tds for one play.  Taking away the Meachem TD from the Saints on Monday would have affected our league greatly had Romo not missed a wide open Roy Williams down the sideline near the end of the game on Sunday. >:(

Not like something like this happens all that often, but just another reason I like IDP's more than team defenses/ST.

I think there are actually valid arguments for both sides: whether Meachem gets the TD or its a D/ST teams TD.

That said, no way in hell should Meachem gets 12 points for the TD like Yahoo is currently giving him

In leagues that have D/ST, my opinion would be to not give them the points and give Meachem 6 for the fumble return TD. IMO if you draft that defense and ST, you draft those players. But I can also see how technically Meachem was playing defense, so you could argue it that way as well. Like I said, glad I dont have to deal with D/ST. This is much more cut and dry when only dealing with IDP's as clearly Meachem deserves the 6 points (but not 12)

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...on another note, did anyone else notice how Yahoo scored Meachem's fumble return TD play? They gave him a points for teh solo tackle, FF, and FR - which all make sense. HOWEVER - they give him 6 points for an offensive return TD, plus 6 more points for a "defensive" TD. I dont see how in any way you could possible give him duplicate points for the TD.

It didnt have any bearing in our league as Crispy wouldve still lost to Walt, and still has more points than EazyE, but in my money league had I not had 1 more win than the guy currently in 7th, he wouldve made the playoffs on points over me by 4 points based on getting 12pts for Meachem's 1 TD.

Just a little FYI because it might make a difference in some of yinz other leagues. I dont know if Yahoo has a way to alter scoring, but I wouldve lost my shit if I missed the playoffs by 4 points because Yahoo gave Meachem 12pts for 1 TD and it couldnt be corrected

That cost my wife a first round bye based on points in the league I commish.  I didn't explain all that to her as I didn't want to see her head explode.

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Sorry 'bout that one True and Cap'n  8-)

Gradkowski is a big part of it. Having Gallery back on the O-Line has really helped, and our young receivers have been (slowly) improving too. There are amazing athletes on that team, but they're horribly inconsistent. The Defense has had the ability all year to play very well, not that they always have. The Offense has been a joke, but Gradkowski seems to be a better decision maker and can control the offense more effectively than Russell.

Still majorly inconsistent, but the last two wins have been really nice ones, especially flying across the country to PA for a win.  

I really dont know whats happened to our defense. I realize Polamalu is one of the best players in the league, but how bad they have looked without him is embarrassing. 21 points to the Raiders in teh 4th quarter?! Taylor totally blew his coverage and Carter his deep middle assignment on Murphy's 75 yard TD. The unnecessary roughness call on Mundy at the end was BS, but thats the how the NFL for pussies goes these days.

I have NEVER seen a secondary with worse hands than ours this year. No one can catch a ball besides Troy. My highschool's DB's had better hands. Joe Burnett - when the ball hits you in the numbers - you catch the mofo!

Honestly, we dont deserve to make the playoffs after how we've played over the last month, so Im not too mad about it. Since the talents there, its frustrating and surprising, but after that loss yesterday I would say they need to win out to have a shot at the wild card.

Nice win bbill....yinz are movin on up!

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QuoteThat sounds good, Walt.  If you pick a Favre pic (as in picture, not interception) I may have to cry.  But I've got a good feeling about this game.  Our D should be able to contain AD and pick off Favre at least three times.  Let's do it!

I think someone on ESPN said this, but I feel the same way. The Vikes are becoming a Brett Favre team. At first they tried to make Favre happy by letting him throw at the goal line. It worked when people thought it was more of a AD team, but people now know that it's a Brett Favre team. You can't fool people anymore, and Favre seems to be going back to forcing throws, and just looking like a kid...in the backyard...having too much fun out there.

The bet...Loser has to wear the picture for a week, and the caption can't be negative towards the picture. Other than that, it's all good.

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I'd be alright with a Ochocinco picture, but probably Dylan wouldn't be alright with a Favre picture. I guess that's the difference between Dylan and I. He's a great fan of his football team, and well, I'm not. I have a picture in mind, I posted in here before, and it's not Brett Favre.

I thought about it, the one picture that'd piss me off would be Cedric Benson. After two years of fucking my fantasy teams over, I officially hate that guy!

Haha! He fucked me my first year of playing (3 years ago), but has done well for me this year.

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...on another note, did anyone else notice how Yahoo scored Meachem's fumble return TD play? They gave him a points for teh solo tackle, FF, and FR - which all make sense. HOWEVER - they give him 6 points for an offensive return TD, plus 6 more points for a "defensive" TD. I dont see how in any way you could possible give him duplicate points for the TD.

It didnt have any bearing in our league as Crispy wouldve still lost to Walt, and still has more points than EazyE, but in my money league had I not had 1 more win than the guy currently in 7th, he wouldve made the playoffs on points over me by 4 points based on getting 12pts for Meachem's 1 TD.

Just a little FYI because it might make a difference in some of yinz other leagues. I dont know if Yahoo has a way to alter scoring, but I wouldve lost my shit if I missed the playoffs by 4 points because Yahoo gave Meachem 12pts for 1 TD and it couldnt be corrected

That cost my wife a first round bye based on points in the league I commish.  I didn't explain all that to her as I didn't want to see her head explode.

if youre commish why not go in and correct the scoring?

assuming you could

You can correct that in Yahoo leagues, I would assume you could in others too.

I didn't realize I had that kind of power, but I do so, so I went ahead and changed it.  Hopefully the person who got kicked out of second won't be too mad.  It's just one of Walt's buddies anyway.  ;)

five in a row for the stealers.  I'm still waiting for their special teams to make them more dangerous than last year, but maybe capt meant dangerous as in in danger of not making the playoffs.   ;D

Cincy needs just one more win or one more Baltimore loss to clinch the division.  Then we will have our sites set on a first round bye.  Next week at San Diego could be the deciding the game.

QuoteI didn't realize I had that kind of power, but I do so, so I went ahead and changed it.  Hopefully the person who got kicked out of second won't be too mad.  It's just one of Walt's buddies anyway.  ;)

five in a row for the stealers.  I'm still waiting for their special teams to make them more dangerous than last year, but maybe capt meant dangerous as in in danger of not making the playoffs.   ;D

Cincy needs just one more win or one more Baltimore loss to clinch the division.  Then we will have our sites set on a first round bye.  Next week at San Diego could be the deciding the game.

Thanks to the steelers loss, and maybe A Miami win this sunday we can get in on a wild card.  

youre welcome AMC!

Im not sure who has more bitches.....the Steelers or Tiger Woods

oh well, we havent had a Top 10 draft pick in awhile, so Im shooting for that now....and that they fire OC Bruce Arians, who for every good playcall has about 3 that are absolutely terrible. Shotgun and empty sets on 3&2, 3&1?! You gotta be shittin me

Quoteyour welcome AMC!

Im not sure who has more bitches.....the Steelers or Tiger Woods

oh well, we havent had a Top 10 draft pick in awhile, so Im shooting for that now....and that they fire OC Bruce Arians, who for every good playcall has about 3 that are absolutely terrible. Shotgun and empty sets on 3&2, 3&1?! You gotta be shittin me

I love to hate football, don't you?  ;D

EDIT: Maybe I actually hate to love football...

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Quoteyour welcome AMC!

Im not sure who has more bitches.....the Steelers or Tiger Woods

oh well, we havent had a Top 10 draft pick in awhile, so Im shooting for that now....and that they fire OC Bruce Arians, who for every good playcall has about 3 that are absolutely terrible. Shotgun and empty sets on 3&2, 3&1?! You gotta be shittin me

I love to hate football, don't you?  ;D

EDIT: Maybe I actually hate to love football...

This a catch 22 week for me.  I'm not sure I want the Jags to win or the Dolphins.  All we can do is beat the Buccos and let the cards fall for now.

Question: If Michael Turner can go tomorrow, do I start him? I'd bench Maroney or Colston. Right now I'm thinking about sitting him, in fear that he couldn't finish the game again. It's about 75% chance I won't play him, but that other 25% is that last second sub. Thoughts?

I'd start Colston.  Turner's too risky.  That's what I'd do.  

Looks like Turner is out.

Good game.

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Where's the picture change?

I changed it.  I'm not seeing it right ow. If it doesn't show up I'll find a similar pic and change it again.  Disappointing game.  It's bizarre that the thing we've always been good at is the one part of our game we can't get working, the pass game.  Our special teams, defense, and running game played well enough to win the game but Carson couldn't find 100 yards of passing.  What's that about?!

First win against an actual good team, finally. Getting Winfield back was huge, but I gotta say I'm disappointed that Ochocinco didn't do anything.

As far as the picture goes, try this one or anything with Chilly.

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They're playing this on the sports talk radio station. I would almost rather have lost.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PP1HEFlkdY[/media]

QuoteThey're playing this on the sports talk radio station. I would almost rather have lost.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PP1HEFlkdY[/media]

why? that song is rockin'!

D-Jax my boy!!!! Leading me to 2 fantasy wins this week, and most importantly, the money league after I thought I was toast going up against Peyton and Clark. He Got Game.

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Vernon Davis has to get me 8 points tonight or my three game winning streak is over and I'm probably dropped to 4th place :(

Alright.  One week, starting now.

QuoteAlright.  One week, starting now.

Its a good look on you  ;D

QuoteAlright.  One week, starting now.

It does look good! By the way, did you have a picture all planned out to give me?
Because I'd like to see it.

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QuoteThey're playing this on the sports talk radio station. I would almost rather have lost.

why? that song is rockin'!

It's funny how they play the song. If any MN sports team is doing good, he sings the song, and goes over the top homer with it. His show is really funny. He's the guy behind //homersota.com

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QuoteAlright.  One week, starting now.

It does look good! By the way, did you have a picture all planned out to give me?
Because I'd like to see it.

Nah, I probably would have given you ochocinco.  Thanks for not giving me favre, I can live with this for a week.

QuoteVernon Davis has to get me 8 points tonight or my three game winning streak is over and I'm probably dropped to 4th place :(

VD for the win!!!

Hasnt your playoffs started yet?!

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QuoteVernon Davis has to get me 8 points tonight or my three game winning streak is over and I'm probably dropped to 4th place :(

VD for the win!!!

Hasnt your playoffs started yet?!

He didn't make it easy... I won by one point! This is my first year of fantasy football, I'm so hooked! I clinched a playoff spot with this win so I guess playoffs didn't start yet?

Was listening to Jim Rome in the car a little bit ago and he was interviewing Chris Johnson. He said he slipped for his 4.24 40 at the combine and thinks he couldve gotten 3.1 seconds. CJ3 also said he has a pink 760 BMW with 24 inch spinners with a pink background. Baller.

374 yards to 2000...Dickersons record is even within reach, although he really needs to blow up for that

QuoteWas listening to Jim Rome in the car a little bit ago and he was interviewing Chris Johnson. He said he slipped for his 4.24 40 at the combine and thinks he couldve gotten 3.1 seconds. CJ3 also said he has a pink 760 BMW with 24 inch spinners with a pink background. Baller.

374 yards to 2000...Dickersons record is even within reach, although he really needs to blow up for that

I like CJ and want him to get that record.  But I like the dolphins more and would like them not  get sliced to bits and lose this game.

QuoteWas listening to Jim Rome in the car a little bit ago and he was interviewing Chris Johnson. He said he slipped for his 4.24 40 at the combine and thinks he couldve gotten 3.1 seconds. CJ3 also said he has a pink 760 BMW with 24 inch spinners with a pink background. Baller.

374 yards to 2000...Dickersons record is even within reach, although he really needs to blow up for that

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d81503d0c&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Chris Henry died from brain injuries...

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/12/17/bengals-henry-dead-at-26/

R.I.P.

So sad.  It seems like he was trying to stay out of trouble and get his life back on track.

I'd like to say it's hard to believe, but really it's not.  Like Corey said, it too bad because he had stayed out of trouble recently and dedicated himself to his three kids who now have to live with the person who killed him.  I hope she gets charges, sounds to me like she was trying to throw him from the truck and succeeded.  We'll see.  

The Bengals are taking this hard, despite being in trouble Henry was loved in the locker room and they've already had to deal with the loss of Zimmer's wife.  It'll be interesting to see how they play Sunday. Part of me thinks they'll light it up but if they get punched in the mouth early they may not be able to bounce back.

R.I.P Chris Henry

COTES!!! :) :) :)

big game for the phins on sunday

Don't know who to start- Brett vs Carolina or Orton vs Oakland or Henne vs Tennessee

Sweet game yesterday...I wanted us to lose to get a better draft pick next year, but I'll take a win if the game is going to be as great as that. It worked out great, but going to that onside kick while having the lead was an interesting call to say the least.

I like our chances against Balt at home, but who knows. We win that, and the Miami game should loom large, eh AMC?

The wheels falling off in Minny?! What happened to AD???

QuoteSweet game yesterday...I wanted us to lose to get a better draft pick next year, but I'll take a win if the game is going to be as great as that. It worked out great, but going to that onside kick while having the lead was an interesting call to say the least.

I like our chances against Balt at home, but who knows. We win that, and the Miami game should loom large, eh AMC?

The wheels falling off in Minny?! What happened to AD???

Heartbreaking loss in Tenn, I thought for sure we had that game.  I didn't see the fumble that was ruled down but that unnecessary roughness call was bogus.  The dude was never touched down! that was 15 yards more that Tenn. would have had to kick.

It's official, I need a new qb for fantasy football, Mr. Favre has given me very few points the past 3 weeks.

He didnt have a good game this week, but Alex Smith has been surpsiingly good for the last month plus and might be a FA

QuoteHe didnt have a good game this week, but Alex Smith has been surpsiingly good for the last month plus and might be a FA

I've got Favre, Henne, Orton and just picked up Gerrard

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The wheels falling off in Minny?! What happened to AD???

I could bring the local angle in on this, but unfortunately everyone has witnessed these embarrassments.

Funny thing is that all these people here don't get it. This is Brett Favre. This is what he does. You'd think playing against the Packers twice a year would stick in the memory. The team isn't a AP team anymore, it's a Brett Favre. I guess Chilly wanted to bench him, and Brett wouldn't allow it, which I can understand. He changes plays the majority of the time. AP should have 20 carries by the 4th quarter. Our offense seems so predictable. I'm not giving up, because I still think we can do this thang, but Favre needs to be put in check, and AP needs to be given the ball. Pretty simple.

This week's song is....

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QuoteThis week's song is....

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVF4r3fLBrU[/media]

:)

I am going Sunday. They had better not be resting the starters! ;)

QuoteThis week's song is....

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVF4r3fLBrU[/media]

I'm at work and can't see the youtube link, but it should be 'The Autumn Wind' since we whipped the Burros yesterday!

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Sigh...Kellen Clemens botching a snap, two missed FGs from Feely.  Ahh the Jets being the Jets...just like the Cubs being the Cubs

What a familiar feeling :'(

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QuoteThis week's song is....

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVF4r3fLBrU[/media]

I'm at work and can't see the youtube link, but it should be 'The Autumn Wind' since we whipped the Burros yesterday!

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l69/bradenbill/burros.jpg)

So BB, was Russell's late performance a blessing or a curse.  Maybe he'll prove me wrong but I don't see him being a very good QB.  I guess it takes some longer but I feel like the Raiders might fool themselves into another season with him thinking he'll pan out because of false hope because of this one game.  Like the Ravens with Boller or the Texans with Carr, sometimes it's better to cut your losses.

QuoteI am going Sunday. They had better not be resting the starters! ;)

Lets go Jets!

THAT'S A BUNK OF CRUNK!  ;)

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QuoteThis week's song is....

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVF4r3fLBrU[/media]

I'm at work and can't see the youtube link, but it should be 'The Autumn Wind' since we whipped the Burros yesterday!

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l69/bradenbill/burros.jpg)

So BB, was Russell's late performance a blessing or a curse.  Maybe he'll prove me wrong but I don't see him being a very good QB.  I guess it takes some longer but I feel like the Raiders might fool themselves into another season with him thinking he'll pan out because of false hope because of this one game.  Like the Ravens with Boller or the Texans with Carr, sometimes it's better to cut your losses.

I was gunna mention that in my original response...I can't stand Russell, I don't even think he'll ever be a capable backup in the NFL. He's a complete bust. I really hope that they cut him after the season is over. It'd be a HUGE amount of money to leave (he has $30 MILLION guaranteed in his contract, not sure how much is still owed), but he hurts the team every game he plays, he's a loser in every sense of the word.

The team has announced that if Gradkowski or Frye are available to play on Sunday that they'll start over Russell. I really hope that Russell isn't able to play anymore this season, and I REALLY hope that Al realizes that the team needs to cut him. It's best for the team to let him go and move forward with someone that's actually capable of consistently running an offense.

Interesting snippet from this article on Chris Henry

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-henry-funeral&prov=ap&type=lgns

A witness has said he heard Henry say, "If you take off, I'm going to jump off the truck and kill myself." A 911 caller told a dispatcher she saw a shirtless man wearing a cast "beating on the back of this truck window."