just wondering how hard it is? how much i should study? anything in particular to focus on? i've been reviewing but am not sure how much to stress about it.
it's the morning after the Friday NYC-MOF show, i already got rid of my ticket when i found out the date, but i can always get another one, what do you think (knowing how easy or hard the test is?)
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I took it twice...
The first time I studied for about a total of 7 hours including one practice test and missed passing by one point
The next time I figured, I might as well give it a good shot and not have to take it again, so I took the class (forget who offered it) which was took place over a weekend (i think) and then took a couple of practice tests
I'm not going to say its "hard" (nothing is hard after you take the bar) but there definitely some subtle rules that may not be obvious unless you've looked at them and memorized them
As far as going to the show. I definitely think that you COULD go to the show, as long as you put in the appropriate hours of studying prior to the test. As long as you're able to wake up the next day, without being tired, it should be alright. I would say a good 20 hours of study time over a period of 2 weeks or so should be more than sufficient.
Worst case scenario, if you fail, you can always take it again in a couple of months when they reoffer it....but how many MOF shows are you going to have the opportunity to attend.
Note: my opinions and advice are not always correct :)
have fun and best of luck
Quotejust wondering how hard it is? how much i should study? anything in particular to focus on? i've been reviewing but am not sure how much to stress about it.
it's the morning after the Friday NYC-MOF show, i already got rid of my ticket when i found out the date, but i can always get another one, what do you think (knowing how easy or hard the test is?)
How the hell should I know? We don't have to take it in Maryland ;D
Kidding aside, that sucks that it's the day after MOF. From what I've heard, if you're not getting smashed, I'm sure you'll be fine and don't need to reschedule. I know that doesn't help at all but good luck nonetheless. :)
thanks for the insight. i will have another chance to take it, but i also can go to the 2nd NYC city show or the halloween show,....so...i don't know. it'll be a last min call. after last night though...hmmmm....
Quotethanks for the insight. i will have another chance to take it, but i also can go to the 2nd NYC city show or the halloween show,....so...i don't know. it'll be a last min call. after last night though...hmmmm....
Your presence is requested at the Halloween show...buuuut I understand you gotta do what you gotta do. :)
I have heard it's not horrible and is the more manageable part of the exam compared to the crap NY throws at you in thebar
When you're taking it you'll think, "Oh fuck, this is way harder than I thought." When you get your results you'll think, "Wow I passed that with room to spare." Barbri offers a one day course (at least they used to) and they give you 1,000's of sample questions - do a shit pile of those and you'll be fine.
QuoteWhen you're taking it you'll think, "Oh fuck, this is way harder than I thought." When you get your results you'll think, "Wow I passed that with room to spare." Barbri offers a one day course (at least they used to) and they give you 1,000's of sample questions - do a shit pile of those and you'll be fine.
well i'm going to miss the Barbri's review if i go down to Louisville for the MOF halloween show! lol....so i'm on my own in studying but i'm doing a few practice tests so we'll see.
i appreciate everyone's advice. thanks!!
I have a friend sweating out the results of the NY bar right now. He said MPRE wasn't too bad, especially given the rest of the arcane knowledge he had to commit to memory, it seemed way more intuitive and a lot of it is a honing of your test taking skills.
Like Haldon, I took it twice because I didn't take it seriously it the first time. It's not difficult, but the questions are subtle. Do a LOT of practice tests and you'll be fine.
But yes, compared to the bar, it's easy peasy ;D
Jeebus how many of you are lawyers?
And if you answered yes to that, are any of you music lawyers and want to give me tips on how to get involved with representing artists? All the externships at my school are focused on big business and big copyright and I want to represent the little guy.
If you have something like Lawyers for the Creative Arts in your area, look into that...some kind of organization that does pro bono representation of artists.
I don't work in that area but I would love to. I was thinking about actually going to some of the music law programs at SXSW this year instead of just watching bands all day ;D
i do criminal defense...don't really know anything about music/entertainment....sorry
but if you get busted down in miami, look me up
i'm taking the bar exam in July (where i'll be taking it isn't determined yet) but any words of advice would be helpful. did all of you do BarBri or use another company?
chode-i'm NOT taking NY or NJ so i don't have to worry about the extra stuff NY tests on..i am departing this area after graduation...
Quotei'm taking the bar exam in July (where i'll be taking it isn't determined yet) but any words of advice would be helpful. did all of you do BarBri or use another company?
chode-i'm NOT taking NY or NJ so i don't have to worry about the extra stuff NY tests on..i am departing this area after graduation...
My time spent in law school in DE (I transferred to Seton Hall last year) taught me that the only state more arcane in its bar requirements is the PA bar, but it's easy to pass...as opposed to the DE. My professors/employers HATED PA's bar
QuoteQuotei'm taking the bar exam in July (where i'll be taking it isn't determined yet) but any words of advice would be helpful. did all of you do BarBri or use another company?
chode-i'm NOT taking NY or NJ so i don't have to worry about the extra stuff NY tests on..i am departing this area after graduation...
My time spent in law school in DE (I transferred to Seton Hall last year) taught me that the only state more arcane in its bar requirements is the PA bar, but it's easy to pass...as opposed to the DE. My professors/employers HATED PA's bar
i go to Seton Hall, too?! WTH? how weird would that be if you sit next to me in class. let me know if you need any outlines.
Quotei'm taking the bar exam in July (where i'll be taking it isn't determined yet) but any words of advice would be helpful. did all of you do BarBri or use another company?
I used BarBri and thought it was effective, especially in terms of telling you exactly what to expect from the test and how to structure your essay answers. That part wasn't intuitive for me (the essays weren't like anything I'd done in undergrad or law school) so I found their instruction in that area really helpful.
They have an option to get an iPod loaded up with all the lectures...I found that really, really helpful, especially if you have a short attention span like I do. (After four years of law school, the last thing I wanted to do was sit in a stuffy classroom all summer, staring out the window and listening to a dull rehash of core classes). The iPod was great, you could listen at a faster speed (get through a 2-hour lecture in 1.5 hours) and rewind if something was unclear.
QuoteQuoteQuotei'm taking the bar exam in July (where i'll be taking it isn't determined yet) but any words of advice would be helpful. did all of you do BarBri or use another company?
chode-i'm NOT taking NY or NJ so i don't have to worry about the extra stuff NY tests on..i am departing this area after graduation...
My time spent in law school in DE (I transferred to Seton Hall last year) taught me that the only state more arcane in its bar requirements is the PA bar, but it's easy to pass...as opposed to the DE. My professors/employers HATED PA's bar
i go to Seton Hall, too?! WTH? how weird would that be if you sit next to me in class. let me know if you need any outlines.
Wait really? Haha that's weird/awesome. I could always use an evidence outline for next semester. It's my only required course left and I'm not as good in rule-based classes as the doctrinal ones.
Are you currently enrolled in Copyrights, 1st Amendment, or Entertainment law? Or are you the single solitary girl in my digital entertainment law class?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotei'm taking the bar exam in July (where i'll be taking it isn't determined yet) but any words of advice would be helpful. did all of you do BarBri or use another company?
chode-i'm NOT taking NY or NJ so i don't have to worry about the extra stuff NY tests on..i am departing this area after graduation...
My time spent in law school in DE (I transferred to Seton Hall last year) taught me that the only state more arcane in its bar requirements is the PA bar, but it's easy to pass...as opposed to the DE. My professors/employers HATED PA's bar
i go to Seton Hall, too?! WTH? how weird would that be if you sit next to me in class. let me know if you need any outlines.
Wait really? Haha that's weird/awesome. I could always use an evidence outline for next semester. It's my only required course left and I'm not as good in rule-based classes as the doctrinal ones.
Are you currently enrolled in Copyrights, 1st Amendment, or Entertainment law? Or are you the single solitary girl in my digital entertainment law class?
i am only out at class mon and wed nights--i am PT (night student) i work in the city during the day. i can look for my evidence outline. who do you have? i never took any IP classes or 1st amend. do you have Healy? I'll try to get those outlines.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuotei'm taking the bar exam in July (where i'll be taking it isn't determined yet) but any words of advice would be helpful. did all of you do BarBri or use another company?
chode-i'm NOT taking NY or NJ so i don't have to worry about the extra stuff NY tests on..i am departing this area after graduation...
My time spent in law school in DE (I transferred to Seton Hall last year) taught me that the only state more arcane in its bar requirements is the PA bar, but it's easy to pass...as opposed to the DE. My professors/employers HATED PA's bar
i go to Seton Hall, too?! WTH? how weird would that be if you sit next to me in class. let me know if you need any outlines.
Wait really? Haha that's weird/awesome. I could always use an evidence outline for next semester. It's my only required course left and I'm not as good in rule-based classes as the doctrinal ones.
Are you currently enrolled in Copyrights, 1st Amendment, or Entertainment law? Or are you the single solitary girl in my digital entertainment law class?
i am only out at class mon and wed nights--i am PT (night student) i work in the city during the day. i can look for my evidence outline. who do you have? i never took any IP classes or 1st amend. do you have Healy? I'll try to get those outlines.
No I won't have evidence until next semester, so I have no idea who I have. Most of the people in the IP classes are night students it seems, or it's just because most of the professors are adjuncts and work all day.
Is Healy a good one? Being a transfer student I don't really know many people at school to get the ins-and-outs of teachers. I had Prempeh twice and regret it to the extreme
as far as bar prep goes...i had one mantra "two months for the rest of my life."
i began my studying with that in mind and kept that going throughout. I kept telling myself that I would do whatever it took to pass the bar. I pretty much studied everyday for 2 months. The only time I took off was a 4 day trip to NYC to see MMJ at RCMH.
I took the week long course which preceeded the barbri classes. I think PMBR offered that. It was a 5 day course that covered the basics of all the MPRE stuff. I found it worthwhile, because it was a nice easy transition into the studying mode and the books that they gave you had a shit ton of practice questions in there.
Then I did the barbri course. The barbri course is like a long, slow, death march through every area of the law which will be tested. Its pretty rough, but I can't imagine studying without barbri. I went to the classes (I felt that it helped to get me up in the morning and get my studying day going) I'd catch a bite to eat after the classes, and then put in a good dea of studying in the afternoon and early evening.
The one thing I will say about Barbri is that they prepare you!! They give you so many good study materials, outlines, questions. The service really is invaluable.
I then did the 3 day PMBR final review. This consisted of a one day mock MPRE exam and then two days of reviewing the questions and answers. Essentially what PMBR does for this exam is pick the most obscure ridiculous questions and puts those on there. Everybody essentially either barely passes or fails this test. The purpose is two fold. At this point in your studying, you pretty much know everything you are going to know, and this exam just highlights some of the lessor known and more "out there" types of areas they could cover. You mights actually retain some of this info, and it could be helpful, come d-day. I also found that it was good because it semi-scared me, and I made sure I made the most of the last days leading up to the exam.
The day before the exam I took off. I went to see Step Brothers in the movie theater, then checked myself into the hotel room and grabbed a good meal. I took one last 30 minute glance over Trusts (because that was by far my weakest area; and wouldn't you know it, it came up in an essay the next day) and then went to bed
In sum....study. Study like you've never studied before. Make outlines. Start studying early, and pace yourself. Barbri gives you a good schedule as far as studying. I pretty much stuck to that.
I'd go to the classes, eat lunch, work on my outline for that day's subject, take practice questions, break for a bit, do more questions, eat dinner, and then chill.
Thats about all the advice I've got. You've still got a ways to go, so enjoy your last year of law school.
BUMP
So I'm taking my Professional Responsibility exam tonite and the MPRE next friday. If I pass my class with a C or better it suffices for NJ, but I plan on taking NY/NJ bar review
I've got a Kaplan review book and a Bar/Bri review book. I don't really have the time or money to take the review class.
Am I boned without the class? I find this stuff to be fairly intuitive and the only thing my class doesn't cover is advertising a judicial ethics.
I'm hoping this is way more intimidating in thought than in practice.