well there, this should be good
Calipari Calls Duke "Floppers" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSB34msMstg#ws)
What a sore loser. I can't figure out how that douchebag gets so many great players to play for him.
Quote from: BH on Nov 15, 2012, 12:52 AM
What a sore loser. I can't figure out how that douchebag gets so many great players to play for him.
Uh, he's actually a damn good coach, he offers them the chance to make the NBA, win NCAA championships, and gets his players a shit ton of 'perks' we never hear of.
But yes, he is a douchebag nonetheless.
On tuesday night I stayed late and got to wait on 3 big groups all watching that game. I made the most money in a night I've ever made at my new-ish job and got to see UK lose. It was awesome.
I really hope UL gets the chance to play and beat Duke in this Alantis whatever tournament. I know UK is gonna rock the fuckin league next year, so this year is the chance UL has to shame that douchebag. :beer:
Quote from: e_wind on Nov 15, 2012, 12:25 PM
On tuesday night I stayed late and got to wait on 3 big groups all watching that game. I made the most money in a night I've ever made at my new-ish job and got to see UK lose. It was awesome.
I really hope UL gets the chance to play and beat Duke in this Alantis whatever tournament. I know UK is gonna rock the fuckin league next year, so this year is the chance UL has to shame that douchebag. :beer:
I root for Louisville too. However Mizzou is in that tourny too, and I think we will probably play you UofL in the second round if we beat Stanford. Winner takes on Duke. Tough tourny!
And Ruckus, I know, your right but if it was me, I'd find all those same things somewhere else. :smiley:
Quote from: BH on Nov 15, 2012, 12:38 PM
Quote from: e_wind on Nov 15, 2012, 12:25 PM
On tuesday night I stayed late and got to wait on 3 big groups all watching that game. I made the most money in a night I've ever made at my new-ish job and got to see UK lose. It was awesome.
I really hope UL gets the chance to play and beat Duke in this Alantis whatever tournament. I know UK is gonna rock the fuckin league next year, so this year is the chance UL has to shame that douchebag. :beer:
I root for Louisville too. However Mizzou is in that tourny too, and I think we will probably play UofL in the second round if we beat Stanford. Winner takes on Duke. Tough tourny!
And Ruckus, I know, your right but if it was me, I'd find all those same things somewhere else. :smiley:
don't fret. his reign will end in scandal. it's almost a foregone conclusion.
Douchbag for sure :thumbsup:
My "game of the year" last season was IU beating UK in Bloomington.
Now he doesn't want to play here, wants to make more $$$.
I've read that IU and UL may start a home& home series instead. :beer:
It's safe to say the Big Ten is the best conference in basketball right now. :rolleyes: It feels good to say that after being so beat down in football the past couple of years, particularly this one.
As ILB said, this season might not be for the casual fan that wants to root on the big names with star power but should be entertaining for those that want parity and uncertainty. There are at least 20 or 30 teams that can win the title right now.
A great start for the Illini who seem to have bought in big time to new coach John Groce (Jim Furyk) and his pick n' roll, drive and dish offense. There is talent on this team but it lacks depth on the front line. If the front line continues to play and improve the way they have been, I see know reason why they can't remain competitive in the big 10. Brandon Paul is a legit NBA prospect and DJ Richardson, Bertrand and Abrams are excellent guards as well. If only Meyers Leonard hadn't bolted for the NBA.
Quote from: Ruckus on Nov 29, 2012, 12:43 PM
It's safe to say the Big Ten is the best conference in basketball right now. :rolleyes: It feels good to say that after being so beat down in football the past couple of years, particularly this one.
As ILB said, this season might not be for the casual fan that wants to root on the big names with star power but should be entertaining for those that want parity and uncertainty. There are at least 20 or 30 teams that can win the title right now.
A great start for the Illini who seem to have bought in big time to new coach John Groce (Jim Furyk) and his pick n' roll, drive and dish offense. There is talent on this team but it lacks depth on the front line. If the front line continues to play and improve the way they have been, I see know reason why they can't remain competitive in the big 10. Brandon Paul is a legit NBA prospect and DJ Richardson, Bertrand and Abrams are excellent guards as well. If only Meyers Leonard hadn't bolted for the NBA.
I got my eye on your Illini
This will be a good season, for sure. I've never been too into football, (tried when I went to Ole Miss, but it just ain't as graceful as basketball) so college basketball season is what I wait for in the sports world.
I'm excited about the spread right now, especially since UK isn't "an NBA team".
I'm not excited about UL sports and our players gettin hurt everywhere. I have little faith in Siva or Russ Smith, so Deings injury hurts me. It's reassuring that we only lost to Duke by 5 though.
This will be a good season, for sure. I've never been too into football, (tried when I went to Ole Miss, but it just ain't as graceful as basketball) so college basketball season is what I wait for in the sports world.
I'm excited about the spread right now, especially since UK isn't "an NBA team".
I'm not excited about UL sports and our players gettin hurt everywhere. I have little faith in Siva or Russ Smith, so Deings injury hurts me. It's reassuring that we only lost to Duke by 5 though.
for all those looking for Coach Cal to get his comeuppance, I'd say the largest drop ever in the AP rankings and falling out of the top 25 is welcome news.
Yeah, crazy. And awesome.
Quote from: ItBeats4Jew on Dec 03, 2012, 06:51 PM
for all those looking for Coach Cal to get his comeuppance, I'd say the largest drop ever in the AP rankings and falling out of the top 25 is welcome news.
Can't say that didn't bring a smile to my face... :beer:
Quote from: ItBeats4Jew on Dec 03, 2012, 06:51 PM
for all those looking for Coach Cal to get his comeuppance, I'd say the largest drop ever in the AP rankings and falling out of the top 25 is welcome news.
you said comeuppance :rolleyes:
It warms my heart to see all the KY/Coach Cal hate around here. :beer:
Quote from: e_wind on Dec 04, 2012, 01:29 PM
It warms my heart to see all the KY/Coach Cal hate around here. :beer:
It has more to do with coach Cal than it does with UK. But when it comes to UofL or UK, I'll root for the Cards any day of the week.
As for Coach Cal, I don't care for his coaching style of getting one and done kids to play for him. I'm happy to see he was not just able to reload with a bunch of freshmen and make a run like he did last year! He's also dirty as evidenced by the mess he left behind at Memphis. IMO, it's only a matter of time before the NCAA starts digging up stuff at UK and he'll bolt again... :rolleyes:
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Nov 29, 2012, 01:12 PM
I got my eye on your Illini
The Zags on Saturday will be a big test. We've played them well since this matchup became annual thing. Thing is we started 10-0 last year. Michigan is living up to the preseason billing. You got some talent and pedigree in Ann Arbor there ILB
Quote from: Ruckus on Dec 05, 2012, 04:46 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Nov 29, 2012, 01:12 PM
I got my eye on your Illini
The Zags on Saturday will be a big test. We've played them well since this matchup became annual thing. Thing is we started 10-0 last year. Michigan is living up to the preseason billing. You got some talent and pedigree in Ann Arbor there ILB
Yeah. I'm still trying to temper my excitement for now. Saw somewhere on ESPN that Michigan and Kentucky are the only two teams in the country with 5 top 100 players on their roster. Difference is, not all of Michigan's are freshmen. I liked the John Beilein hire when it happened but I have to say, I didn't think he'd be recruiting like he has been, especially when he's got to compete with a well established coach like Tom Izzo right in his back yard!
Hope your Illini get it done against the Zags this weekend too Ruckus! :thumbsup:
Quote from: e_wind on Dec 04, 2012, 01:29 PM
It warms my heart to see all the KY/Coach Cal hate around here. :beer:
Love the haters!!!
Quote from: Ruckus on Dec 05, 2012, 04:46 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Nov 29, 2012, 01:12 PM
I got my eye on your Illini
The Zags on Saturday will be a big test. We've played them well since this matchup became annual thing. Thing is we started 10-0 last year. Michigan is living up to the preseason billing. You got some talent and pedigree in Ann Arbor there ILB
I'm jumpin' on the wagon!
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Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Dec 09, 2012, 12:25 AM
Quote from: Ruckus on Dec 05, 2012, 04:46 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Nov 29, 2012, 01:12 PM
I got my eye on your Illini
The Zags on Saturday will be a big test. We've played them well since this matchup became annual thing. Thing is we started 10-0 last year. Michigan is living up to the preseason billing. You got some talent and pedigree in Ann Arbor there ILB
I'm jumpin' on the wagon!
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Good times, good times! They really didn't play all that well but Brandon Paul was just unbelievable and Gonzaga just couldn't make a shot in the second half. Then again, since the Zags took that early 11 point lead in the first half, the Illini outscored them by 22 on the road. That's impressive.
The Illini have great length, quickness, and depth among their guards and wings and cause a lot of problems for teams with their defense on the perimeter. This really seemed to frustrate the Zags who seemed to abandon the one advantage they had, their overwhelming size advantage. We rely too much on the three but when you don't have any true low post threats, you might as well stick with what you do best. So long as we continue to attack the basket, I'm cool launching all the threes that we do.
Last year we started 10-0 as well before the team inexplicably just quit on Bruce Weber. I don't see that happening under Groce and he seems to be utilizing the talents of Brandon Paul more effectively. It's rare to see a 4 year starter truly arrive in their senior season but it looks like it may be the year Paul takes over.
If I have one complaint about this team, it's that they have not showed up for non premier matchups, barely squeaking by Western Carolina and Gardner-Webb. Bring on the conference games!
Quote from: Mr. White on Dec 11, 2012, 11:05 PM
It looks like I am in the minority here, but I live for and love The University of Kentucky Men's Basketball Team!
I also love The University of Louisville Men's Basketball Team!
I am from Kentucky and love all of our state's teams! It makes no difference to me who coaches my teams. I will back them until the day I die!
I sure hope Louisville can win it all this year! (It looks like UK will be a little weaker than expected. However, they will still win several quality games later in the season.)
Always stay true to your team!
Aren't Louisville and Kentucky HUGE rivals? I can't comprehend how you could be a fan of both? That would be like me (a Michigan fan) saying I also like Ohio State or an Alabama fan saying they will root for Auburn. Ain't never gonna happen!!! :tongue:
Quote from: Mr. White on Dec 12, 2012, 05:47 PM
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Dec 12, 2012, 11:00 AM
Quote from: Mr. White on Dec 11, 2012, 11:05 PM
It looks like I am in the minority here, but I live for and love The University of Kentucky Men's Basketball Team!
I also love The University of Louisville Men's Basketball Team!
I am from Kentucky and love all of our state's teams! It makes no difference to me who coaches my teams. I will back them until the day I die!
I sure hope Louisville can win it all this year! (It looks like UK will be a little weaker than expected. However, they will still win several quality games later in the season.)
Always stay true to your team!
Aren't Louisville and Kentucky HUGE rivals? I can't comprehend how you could be a fan of both? That would be like me (a Michigan fan) saying I also like Ohio State or an Alabama fan saying they will root for Auburn. Ain't never gonna happen!!! :tongue:
Well, it's like this... Kentucky has ZERO professional teams (there was an old ABA basketball team - The Kentucky Colonals - in Louisville back in the 1970's), so... we have to really get behind our college teams. I lived in a rural part of Western Kentucky until I was 35 years old. The local TV stations ALWAYS showed the Kentucky games. It was very hard to find a Louisville game on TV until ESPN came around. Everyone loved UK (even when we were having a "bad season". I noticed that Louisville was pretty good too when they won their 2 championships (1980 & 1986). Those NCAA Tournament games were on TV, and some of the weekend games featured on CBS were too. I figured I should like them too since they were representing my state so well. (There wasn't an annual rivalry game back in those days, so UK never really had to play UL.) Plus, I like to go against the grain a bit and be into obscure things like music most people have never heard of before. I thought it would be cool if I could like both teams (why shouldn't I!?!). I went to UK for 1 year right out of high school (1985-86) but withdrew due to personal reasons and joined the U.S. Navy for 6 years. I have a lot of pictures of me wearing my bright red Louisville Cardinals sweatshirt in various Asian and Middle-Eastern countries. I always loved (and still do love) Kentucky the most. In 2001, I moved to Central Kentucky and commute to Louisville every week-day for work. I have worked in Louisville for almost 8 years now. I work in an elementary school, and when we have days where we can wear our favorite team's shirts, I rotate teams. One year for Halloween at our school, I had on a Louisville hat, a Kentucky shirt, a pair of Louisville sweat pants, and Kentucky house-slippers. I wear glasses and happen to have a red pair and a blue pair of sunglasses that I will rotate as well. A co-worker said she knew what I was supposed to be. She said I was "a confused fan". She was right, I guess. Plus, I get the local TV stations out of Louisville, and they seem to show both UK and UL games pretty equally. About 80% to 90% of the people I have worked with over these last 8 years are Louisville fans, but every now and again I will come across someone like myself - A TRUE FAN OF BOTH THE KENTUCKY WILDCATS AND THE LOUISVILLE CARDINALS. I always tell those who don't understand, that I am lucky in the fact that I can (and do) watch twice as many college basketball (and football) games as the average fan does. If they are on at the same time, I record one and watch the other live. If I have to, I pause the live game to check in on the recorded game because so many stations run the scores of other games across the bottom of the screen. With all of this in mind, my favorite team would have to be Kentucky, but that doesn't mean I am automatically for them when they play each other around Christmas or New Year's each year. I am usually for the team that has the best chance to "go all the way". I don't want them to have a bad loss to hurt their ranking too much. I still want the game to be close - overtime with a 1 or 2 point victory would be ideal! Also, I love ALL the teams in Kentucky: Western Kentucky University (where I graduated), Morehead, Murray State, Eastern, Northern, Kentucky Wesleyan, Bellarmine, all of them. I love Kentucky teams so much that there is plenty of hate to go around to all of the biggest out of state rivals my teams have and any neighboring state (I hate Indiana, North Carolina, Duke, and Vanderbilt the most!).
If this doesn't square with those who think you can't be for both UK and UL...I don't know what else to say...
who did you pull for in the final four this year?
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Dec 12, 2012, 11:00 AM
Quote from: Mr. White on Dec 11, 2012, 11:05 PM
It looks like I am in the minority here, but I live for and love The University of Kentucky Men's Basketball Team!
I also love The University of Louisville Men's Basketball Team!
I am from Kentucky and love all of our state's teams! It makes no difference to me who coaches my teams. I will back them until the day I die!
I sure hope Louisville can win it all this year! (It looks like UK will be a little weaker than expected. However, they will still win several quality games later in the season.)
Always stay true to your team!
Aren't Louisville and Kentucky HUGE rivals? I can't comprehend how you could be a fan of both? That would be like me (a Michigan fan) saying I also like Ohio State or an Alabama fan saying they will root for Auburn. Ain't never gonna happen!!! :tongue:
As a lifelong IU fan(and alum) It's always been "SCREW PURDUE".
I always watched the Hoosiers rivals play - Michigan, OSU, Illinois, etc, - to hopefully see them lose.
No offense, you other BIG10 guys.....just agreeing that I can't see rooting for a rival - unless it helps IU in the conference standings.
Obviously I really hate UK too :beer:
Mr. White
I grew watching the old ABA w/ the red/white/blue ball...back when the Pacers were winning championships!
My favorite player was DR. J. even though he killed the Pacers ( & every other team).
Of course I hated the Colonels, but looking back ....man, they had some great players.
Artis Gilmore was a monster, Dan Issel seemed unstopable, Louie Dampier( Indiana native) drilling 3 pointers !!!
I'm sure there were others that escape my memory now, who were some of your favorites?
Quote from: Mr. White on Dec 12, 2012, 08:23 PM
Quote from: YimYodd on Dec 12, 2012, 08:05 PM
Mr. White
I grew watching the old ABA w/ the red/white/blue ball...back when the Pacers were winning championships!
My favorite player was DR. J. even though he killed the Pacers ( & every other team).
Of course I hated the Colonels, but looking back ....man, they had some great players.
Artis Gilmore was a monster, Dan Issel seemed unstopable, Louie Dampier( Indiana native) drilling 3 pointers !!!
I'm sure there were others that escape my memory now, who were some of your favorites?
I was a bit too young to have watched many of the ABA games (or at least I hadn't gotten into it at that point much, but my parents saved me a souvenir Kentucky Colonels RC Cola bottle with the autographs of the players stamped on the label. I still have it in a box in my attic. My favorite player is/was also Dr. J! He is the reason I started watching the NBA a little later on, and my favorite team is still Philadelphia 76ers. I even went to the theater to see "The Fish That Saved Pittsberg" that he stared in when I was a kid! I have stayed loyal to the 76ers all these years. (I may start a separate link where Forum members can list all of their favorite teams from various sports later on tonight.)
Yeah, that would be a neat link - sure to get some trash-talk going.
I also followed the Sixers when DR J moved to NBA.
I lived in Terre Haute, IN (home of Indiana State - Larry Birds' school)at the time and after he joined the Celtics the local radio station quit broadcasting the Pacers games and broadcast every Boston game.
Always thought that was crazy but it meant I could listen to those great DR J vs. Bird matchups. The two of them actually got into a fist-fight one night!
Quote from: Mr. White on Dec 12, 2012, 05:47 PM
Also, I love ALL the teams in Kentucky: Western Kentucky University (where I graduated), Morehead, Murray State, Eastern, Northern, Kentucky Wesleyan, Bellarmine, all of them.
How about the small schools like Transylvania, Centre and Georgetown to name a few... :wink:
As an alum of a DIII school and living in a DIII college town of the 2nd winningest all-time college basketball program (College of Wooster), I follow DIII basketball almost as closely as I do DI basketball...
Still waiting for that thread where we can list all of our favorite sports teams and get into some friendly trash talking! :cool:
Quote from: Mr. White on Dec 12, 2012, 10:09 PM
Also, the "What are your favorite sports teams?" thread is up.
:beer:
So besides ILB with the Wolverines and Penny with the Buckeyes, we now have YimYodd, a Hoosier in our midst?!
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Quote from: Ruckus on Dec 13, 2012, 11:49 AM
So besides ILB with the Wolverines and Penny with the Buckeyes, we now have YimYodd, a Hoosier in our midst?!
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And if mjk were still around, we'd have Nebraska represented which would be nearly half of the B1G... Well at least before Maryland and Rutgers officially join?!
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Dec 13, 2012, 05:25 PM
Quote from: Ruckus on Dec 13, 2012, 11:49 AM
So besides ILB with the Wolverines and Penny with the Buckeyes, we now have YimYodd, a Hoosier in our midst?!
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And if mjk were still around, we'd have Nebraska represented which would be nearly half of the B1G... Well at least before Maryland and Rutgers officially join?!
There was a dude Tower that used to be around that was a Spartan. Obviously Hawkeye is a Hawkeye and Scotty is a Penn State guy and aLady is a Badger
BHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One week away! Braggin' Rights!
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Quote from: Ruckus on Dec 14, 2012, 07:35 PM
BHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One week away! Braggin' Rights!
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:smiley: I'm worried about us this year. We have great size and athleticism, but not a lot of pure shooters. We do have Jabari Brown eligible soon but braggin' rights will only be his second game. Should be exciting! Two equally ranked teams. We need the win since the SEC is down this year in the rpi. Strength of schedule is going to hurt us.
Early season OT thriller in Indy as Butler prevails over Indiana. I told my mom on the phone last night that Butler would win; call her if you don't believe me.
Tracy, I was at your mom's house last night, and the phone NEVER rang.
Mr. White, I see nothing wrong with being a fan of Kentucky AND Louisville. The fact that they are not in the same conference makes ALL the difference IMO. I've been a fan of St. Louis University since my dad (an alum) started taking me to games when I was 6 or 7. I went the Mizzou and have since become a BIGGER fan of the Tigers but I love them both still and root HARD for both. Seems similar. However SLU and MU have only played each other a couple of times. An annual matchup would spice it up a bit.
Quote from: BH on Dec 15, 2012, 05:09 PM
Tracy, I was at your mom's house last night, and the phone NEVER rang.
yep, she said you were there for about 20 seconds... I must have called after you left.
Quote from: Mr. White on Dec 12, 2012, 05:47 PM
I love Kentucky teams so much that there is plenty of hate to go around to all of the biggest out of state rivals my teams have and any neighboring state (I hate Indiana, North Carolina, Duke, and Vanderbilt the most!).
You hate Vanderbilt?
Quote from: BH on Dec 15, 2012, 12:49 AM
Quote from: Ruckus on Dec 14, 2012, 07:35 PM
BHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One week away! Braggin' Rights!
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:smiley: I'm worried about us this year. We have great size and athleticism, but not a lot of pure shooters. We do have Jabari Brown eligible soon but braggin' rights will only be his second game. Should be exciting! Two equally ranked teams. We need the win since the SEC is down this year in the rpi. Strength of schedule is going to hurt us.
I haven't seen you guys play yet but it sounds like you are the exact opposite of us. We need this one. I'm still salty about last year.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Dec 15, 2012, 04:44 PM
Early season OT thriller in Indy as Butler prevails over Indiana. I told my mom on the phone last night that Butler would win; call her if you don't believe me.
Good 'call' Tracy.
Congrats to Coach Stevens & the Bulldogs. They all played tough and hard for 45minutes.
I'll take it as a good 'warm-up' for the upcoming Conference season.
Refs seemed to 'let em play' ( except last 5-6 seconds of 1st half) & that's definitely gonna happen later. Better for the Hoosiers to learn this lesson( and not getting off to slow starts and mediocre FT shooting - seasonlong problems) now than in Iowa City on NYE, or Minneapolis or Columbus or Champaigne or Ann Arbor or........!
Although I didn't like Coach Crean dodging a post-game question about Zeller not being on the floor for the tie-game Butler last possession - and I do understand the earlier offense-defense sub pressing strategy- I did like this statement: " I'm excited about getting back to practice. I'm excited about the rebounding drills we are going to do even though I'm not sure there are many people who are going to share my excitement about that because right now that's an area that we really need to prove ourselves."
Hope for improvement here, getting 3 big men back for the conference should help.
Quote from: YimYodd on Dec 12, 2012, 07:52 PM
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Dec 12, 2012, 11:00 AM
Quote from: Mr. White on Dec 11, 2012, 11:05 PM
It looks like I am in the minority here, but I live for and love The University of Kentucky Men's Basketball Team!
I also love The University of Louisville Men's Basketball Team!
I am from Kentucky and love all of our state's teams! It makes no difference to me who coaches my teams. I will back them until the day I die!
I sure hope Louisville can win it all this year! (It looks like UK will be a little weaker than expected. However, they will still win several quality games later in the season.)
Always stay true to your team!
Aren't Louisville and Kentucky HUGE rivals? I can't comprehend how you could be a fan of both? That would be like me (a Michigan fan) saying I also like Ohio State or an Alabama fan saying they will root for Auburn. Ain't never gonna happen!!! :tongue:
As a lifelong IU fan(and alum) It's always been "SCREW PURDUE".
I always watched the Hoosiers rivals play - Michigan, OSU, Illinois, etc, - to hopefully see them lose.
No offense, you other BIG10 guys.....just agreeing that I can't see rooting for a rival - unless it helps IU in the conference standings.
Obviously I really hate UK too :beer:
I always found conference pride/regional pride to be a unique phenomenon in college sports. Whereas I would never root for a fellow AL East team to win the World Series if the Orioles weren't competing, I have no problem rooting on most of my hated rivals in the NCAA tournament so long as the Illini aren't playing them. I guess some of that has to do with the sheer number of teams in college sports that no everyone plays each other so it's more difficult to gauge each team. Therefore the success of one's conference in the tournament and bowl games validates the accomplishments of our teams throughout the season by proving a more difficult schedule.
Quote from: Ruckus on Dec 18, 2012, 01:02 AM
I always found conference pride/regional pride to be a unique phenomenon in college sports. Whereas I would never root for a fellow AL East team to win the World Series if the Orioles weren't competing, I have no problem rooting on most of my hated rivals in the NCAA tournament so long as the Illini aren't playing them. I guess some of that has to do with the sheer number of teams in college sports that no everyone plays each other so it's more difficult to gauge each team. Therefore the success of one's conference in the tournament and bowl games validates the accomplishments of our teams throughout the season by proving a more difficult schedule.
I get the whole conference pride thing and for the most part, I will pull for a B1G team making a deep tournament run in hoops or in a bowl game as long as that B1G team isn't OSU or MSU! Sorry, I can't put conference pride ahead of bringing myself to root for those two schools and I know the feeling is mutual from most OSU and MooU fans as well!
Congrats BH. You guys have been owning us of late and rightfully so. That was a pretty ugly game for both teams. We couldn't make anything and we knew rebounding would be a problem against you guys. That's a lot of lenth and athleticism you have down low. Even though Pressey was a travesty from the floor, I'm not sure how well you guys would create offense in the halfcourt without him. He's a penetrating machine. The one thing that bothers me is how little Brandon Paul has improved as a passer. He can break down a D at will and has the height and length to dish once the D collapses and yet he doesn't seem to do enough of it.
Quote from: Ruckus on Dec 23, 2012, 10:46 PM
Congrats BH. You guys have been owning us of late and rightfully so. That was a pretty ugly game for both teams. We couldn't make anything and we knew rebounding would be a problem against you guys. That's a lot of lenth and athleticism you have down low. Even though Pressey was a travesty from the floor, I'm not sure how well you guys would create offense in the halfcourt without him. He's a penetrating machine. The one thing that bothers me is how little Brandon Paul has improved as a passer. He can break down a D at will and has the height and length to dish once the D collapses and yet he doesn't seem to do enough of it.
Yeah, we would be a disaster without Pressy running the show. We have a freshman with potential but as you saw, he gets eaten alive when he has to take the ball down the court. Paul definately should have taken it to the hole more if only to get Pressy in foul trouble. What a great event that is. Of course it's better when we win :wink: but it may be my favorite "regular season" sporting event of the year! Your still up quite a few in the overall record.
This thread 's been quiet recently w/ the holidays & the PC shows, so let's get it going again!
We are all here due to our common luv for MMJ, but things may get heated after New Years. I'm always up for some good-natured trash-talkin'.
1st things 1st- with apologies to Mr. White, most of us have made known our feelings for UK (congrats UL & Mr. White :grin:).
Secondly, I'm an equal opportunity trashtalker. IU needs to get serious. In an earlier post I opined that they were outplayed by a tuff,talented, well-coached Butler team. The slow starts, bad shot selection, mediocre FT shooting(although I believe they lead conference in % and makes) can't continue in conference play.
Their depth is awesome, but the 'bigs' need to step it up. Elston coming back from injury, Perea from a dubious suspension,foot injury and inexperience. Watford seems uninspired and Zeller - although I admire his unselfish play and calm demeanor- needs to be the man. He may not be MVP of his own team, let alone the B1G or nationally.
Next, Purdue. It always warms my heart to see them struggling, but "throw out the records" whenever IU-PU play. Sure it will be tough @ W Laf in a game sandwiched btw MSU & UM coming to Bton.
Ahhh, Michigan - w/ an unblemished record and gaudy stats. As a fan of the last undefeated NCAA champions, the '76 Hoosiers- 3 wins vs. UM- I've always celebrated( like the '72 Miami Dolphins) when there are no more unbeaten teams left in a season. Hoping I won't have to wait long to mark UM off the list! A bit inexperienced, Hardaways' "heart" & Burkes' size heighten my hopes. Man, Burke has been tuff though.
Illinois' new coach is impressive, compared to his predecessor. Paul is a player, but is he a point guard? Lack of rebounding showd against a tuff MIZZU team.
OSU may lack the bigs to win the B1G but has been good against 2nd level teams in pre-conference.
Gophers & Sparty still lookin tough. Iowa young and up-coming..... they get 1st shot at IU on NYE at Iowa City.
Well, that should be enough for now to stir things up.
Looking forward to an exciting B1G season. :beer:
Quote from: YimYodd on Dec 30, 2012, 05:47 PM
Ahhh, Michigan - w/ an unblemished record and gaudy stats. As a fan of the last undefeated NCAA champions, the '76 Hoosiers- 3 wins vs. UM- I've always celebrated( like the '72 Miami Dolphins) when there are no more unbeaten teams left in a season. Hoping I won't have to wait long to mark UM off the list! A bit inexperienced, Hardaways' "heart" & Burkes' size heighten my hopes. Man, Burke has been tuff though.
Not sure what you mean by Hardaway's heart? And Burke's size hardly limits his effectiveness. He's a pg so he doesn't really need height. All I know is he's one of the fastest players in the country and good luck to any defender trying to stay in front of him.
And I also won't trade our inexperience either. That inexperience includes two starters in GRIII averaging 12 ppg so far as well as the Super Canuck, Nick Stauskus who is averaging 14 ppg while stroking it at 57% from beyond the arc!!! :shocked: Kid can flat out shoot it and that is a SICK percentage!
As for UofM still being undefeated when they roll into Bloomington, if they are I will be a VERY happy fan. That would mean Michigan would have won @ OSU, @ Minny and @ Illinois. While its possible for Michigan to win all those games, I'm not counting on them being undefeated when they make the trip to Bloomington.
I just want Michigan to avoid the upsets, hold serve at home and maybe steal a game or two on the road. IU narrowly won last night @ Iowa, but, at this point of the season, a win is a win, and road wins are even nicer. Michigan gets their B1G lid lifter Thursday @ Northwestern.
GO BLUE!!! :beer:
iLB,
I def agree w/ you about successful teams needing to hold serve at home and maybe steal a game or two on the road. Glad IU was able to get the W @ Iowa - 1st W there in 5 yrs, 4th in 16. They ended a long L streak @ Minn last season and hopefully can end an even longer one @MSU. Man, UM's road schedule in Jan (+Feb2) looks as tough as IU's Feb road trips. Stealing a couple during those stretches will go a long way in determining who comes out on top in the B1G.
Concerning Hardaway, maybe I should have wrote head instead - probably a combo of both. I feel he was over-hyped coming to UM bc of his daddy. Not a great scorer, FG% not impressive, tends to not "show up" in big games ( NCAA tournament & B1G tourney last season, 3 of 4 vs. IU), not much improvement thruout career.
Burke is def tuff....size was about all I could come up with :rolleyes:. My point was he will have to guard someone and if any team can contain him I like IUs' chances. Ferrell is same size and probably as fast and w/ their depth and size they can also go w/ Olidipo, Abell, Sheehey and even Watford.
Robinson(his daddy was def a baller, D*%&$#@ him :grin:) & the Canuck have not scored a point in B1G play. Let's revisit that 3pt.% stat in March. OBTW, IU's Jay Edwards set the B1G freshman 3pt.% record 25 yrs ago, almost 54%.
Gonna be a lot of great BB coming, that March 10 match up in Ann Arbor may be epic! :beer:
GO BIG RED!
First off, congrats to Louisville on dispatching Kentucky in a close game. We watched it at Q Barbeque in Port Chester. It's kinda scary to think how good that Kentucky team can be by the end of the season. For now, Louisville owns KY.
As for the Illini... :embarrassed: They looked like an unorganized second rate team against Purdue. Again trouble shooting but the disappearance of Paul for half the game was most disturbing. Huge game against the Buckeyes on Saturday. An 0-2 start would not be good.
Quote from: Ruckus on Jan 04, 2013, 12:54 AM
As for the Illini... :embarrassed: They looked like an unorganized second rate team against Purdue. Again trouble shooting but the disappearance of Paul for half the game was most disturbing. Huge game against the Buckeyes on Saturday. An 0-2 start would not be good.
Definitely a must win since the game is in Champaign. I'll be rooting for your Illini for sure! :beer:
Did anyone see the hose job the officials pulled off in the Arizona/Colorado game? First of all, they called a pretty sketchy blocking foul with Zona down 2 and 10 seconds left to go that allowed the Cats to tie the game at the line. And then came this:
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Dude clearly got the shot off as the image shows that would have won the game for Colorado, but the refs waived it off after looking at video replay and Arizona went on to win on OT?! Sometimes you have to wonder what these officials think they are looking at??? :rolleyes:
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Jan 04, 2013, 09:33 AM
Quote from: Ruckus on Jan 04, 2013, 12:54 AM
As for the Illini... :embarrassed: They looked like an unorganized second rate team against Purdue. Again trouble shooting but the disappearance of Paul for half the game was most disturbing. Huge game against the Buckeyes on Saturday. An 0-2 start would not be good.
Definitely a must win since the game is in Champaign. I'll be rooting for your Illini for sure! :beer:
Did anyone see the hose job the officials pulled off in the Arizona/Colorado game? First of all, they called a pretty sketchy blocking foul with Zona down 2 and 10 seconds left to go that allowed the Cats to tie the game at the line. And then came this:
(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/076/334/sabatinochenbuzzerbeater_original_crop_exact.jpg?w=340&h=234&q=75)
Dude clearly got the shot off as the image shows that would have won the game for Colorado, but the refs waived it off after looking at video replay and Arizona went on to win on OT?! Sometimes you have to wonder what these officials think they are looking at??? :rolleyes:
The fix was on Beer, the fix was on.
Yeah the Illini again showed what they can be and I expect this year to be a roller coaster throughout. We throttle Butler, Gonzaga, and Ohio State but drop a deuce in Purdue. Hopefully this momentum carries into the Gophers game next Wedneday. Nnanna Egwu is really developing down low and Tracy Abrams is growing up as a point guard. Ohio State didn't play well but the Illini didn't shoot well either and still won by 20. I don't know what to expect from them on a game to game basis.
I'm not sold on OSU being all that great. Personally, I think they are a bit overrated. They've played 3 ranked teams so far this year and lost all 3 of them and one of them was at home to KU.
Iowa came out firing today against Michigan jumping out to a 7-0 lead and I don't think Michigan took their first lead until halfway through the 1st half, but they strung together an 18-2 run at the end of the 1st half and into the 2nd half to win going away.
UofM is off to their 2nd best start in school history. Also, their game @ Northwestern the other night was their first time they scored over 90 in a B1G game since 2004. Now they've done it in back to back B1G games! :cool:
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Jan 06, 2013, 09:23 PM
I'm not sold on OSU being all that great. Personally, I think they are a bit overrated. They've played 3 ranked teams so far this year and lost all 3 of them and one of them was at home to KU.
Iowa came out firing today against Michigan jumping out to a 7-0 lead and I don't think Michigan took their first lead until halfway through the 1st half, but they strung together an 18-2 run at the end of the 1st half and into the 2nd half to win going away.
UofM is off to their 2nd best start in school history. Also, their game @ Northwestern the other night was their first time they scored over 90 in a B1G game since 2004. Now they've done it in back to back B1G games! :cool:
Props to you guys for sure! I hope you don't blow your load too early because this is the best Michigan team I've seen since the Fab 5. If we beat Minnesota on Wednesday, I'll have a little confidence to think we have a chance against you guys. :smiley:
Quote from: Ruckus on Jan 06, 2013, 09:33 PM
Props to you guys for sure! I hope you don't blow your load too early because this is the best Michigan team I've seen since the Fab 5. If we beat Minnesota on Wednesday, I'll have a little confidence to think we have a chance against you guys. :smiley:
BY FAR the best team Michigan has had since the days of the Fab 5. Some are even arguing that this might be a better 'team' overall than the Fab 5 teams. I wouldn't go that far... yet. But I do think they have the potential to be better.
I probably should have held off on my comments regarding OSU being overrated IMO until after this weekend. Watch the Buckeyes knock us off down in C'bus on Sunday... :undecided:
Well, Minnesota made a pretty big statement last night in Champaign that they are worthy of their top 10 ranking. Illinois just seems way too inconsistent for me. They lay an egg at Purdue, then come back to wax OSU at home and then come back the next game and get waxed on their home floor to Minnesota. I think this is a result of a team that relies far too much on their perimeter game and if they aren't knocking down shots, they will have a hard time winning games and likewise, if they are on, they are tough to beat.
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Jan 10, 2013, 10:45 AM
Well, Minnesota made a pretty big statement last night in Champaign that they are worthy of their top 10 ranking. Illinois just seems way too inconsistent for me. They lay an egg at Purdue, then come back to wax OSU at home and then come back the next game and get waxed on their home floor to Minnesota. I think this is a result of a team that relies far too much on their perimeter game and if they aren't knocking down shots, they will have a hard time winning games and likewise, if they are on, they are tough to beat.
Yeah you don't know what you're gonna get with this team. They played great D last night and got the shots they wanted but couldn't make anything. Minnesota is a good team for sure. They took our best shot midway through the 2nd half and punched right back. I'll take anything over 500 in this conference. Hopefully get this game at Wisky to pull back even.
BH, the Mizzou Tigers are coming to Oxford this Saturday to play the red hot Ole Miss Rebels.
The usual bet? If the Rebels when you have to show me something and if the Tigers win I have to be nice to you.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 11, 2013, 09:32 AM
BH, the Mizzou Tigers are coming to Oxford this Saturday to play the red hot Ole Miss Rebels.
The usual bet? If the Rebels when you have to show me something and if the Tigers win I have to be nice to you.
Sounds good to me! I'm worried. I wouldn't be shocked to see your Rebels finish 4th in the conference this year and we just lost our best player for two games. Any conference road game is tough.
Wait, what do I have to show you? :shocked:
WOW! Intensity level in Bloomington today......11!
Gophers were relentless. Poor FT shooting and BS call that fouled out Oladipo had me sweating it out.
Entertaining broadcast commentary from BTNs' Gus Johnson & Jim Jackson:
On IUs' early suffocating D - " Indianas' defense , like a turtleneck sweater - in the summertime!" :cool:
On Yogi Ferrell - " Not your average bear" :cheesy:
On Zeller D - "Zeller, block!... big man movin' & groovin'" :wink:
On Oladipo - " Oladipo....ubiquitous!" :thumbsup:
At the same time, Duke goes down! Tough break for Kelly, but all teams must deal w injuries.
Only 1 team left w/o a L, so I gotta root for the Buckeyes tomorrow. :grin:
On another happy note, I saw a young IU coed on campus yesterday wearing a black t-shirt w gold letters that read PURDOUCHE. I'm gonna steal that one for future posts about PU.
We real!
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Thanks to Yim Yodd for bringing this thread to me attention. Appears that he won't be the only one basking in the greatness of Hoosier Hysteria this year. After looking over this thread I am quite glad that we all agree on one thing. Fuck UK! Nothing puts a bigger smile on my face than watching that cheater struggle.
Tomorrow is going to be a very interesting day with the rankings. With Arizona, Duke, and Michigan all falling this week, the Top 5 is a real shake up. As an avid Indiana fan, I obviously want IU to be #2, but something makes me think we won't. After all Duke lost to a VERY solid NC State and Michigan lost to #15 OSU. Although Butler is ranked, they were not ranked when they beat Indiana. With that being said I would not be surprised if Duke remains ahead of Indiana in the polls.
1) Louisville
2) Duke
3) Indiana
4) Kansas
5) Michigan
6) Syracuse
7) Gonzaga
8) Arizona
9) Missouri
10) Florida
I see IU moving to #2 because of their solid win over #8 Minny yesterday. And, while I don't put much stock in the rankings in college hoops, I'll be pissed if Kansas jumps Michigan and not Duke. Michigan lost a rivalry game on the road to a team higher ranked than the NC St. team that beat Duke and it was only a 3 point loss for Michigan after trailing by 22 points in the first half. Hardly what I would call a bad loss.
My top 5 would look like this:
1. Louisville (congrats ewind! :beer:)
2. IU
3. Duke
4. Michigan
5. Kansas
Things don't get any easier for Michigan as they now have to make the trip to Minnesota Thursday night. Amazing to think that one of these 2 teams will be walking away from that game with a two game losing streak. Hopefully it's the Gophers! :tongue:
Although Minnesota and Michigan lost, they both showed a lot of heart and fight. They both had horrible first halves but found ways to make comebacks. Good for the Big 10 teams, all of these tough games will make these teams stronger come tournament time. For instance, as great as Indiana is, they still have many things to work on. These tough games will bring out their problems, and come tournament time it will have all the wrinkles ironed out.
Quote from: Mr. White on Jan 13, 2013, 11:28 PM
Quote from: wonderfulman on Jan 13, 2013, 10:52 PM
Thanks to Yim Yodd for bringing this thread to me attention. Appears that he won't be the only one basking in the greatness of Hoosier Hysteria this year. After looking over this thread I am quite glad that we all agree on one thing. Fuck UK! Nothing puts a bigger smile on my face than watching that cheater struggle.
Tomorrow is going to be a very interesting day with the rankings. With Arizona, Duke, and Michigan all falling this week, the Top 5 is a real shake up. As an avid Indiana fan, I obviously want IU to be #2, but something makes me think we won't. After all Duke lost to a VERY solid NC State and Michigan lost to #15 OSU. Although Butler is ranked, they were not ranked when they beat Indiana. With that being said I would not be surprised if Duke remains ahead of Indiana in the polls.
1) Louisville
2) Duke
3) Indiana
4) Kansas
5) Michigan
6) Syracuse
7) Gonzaga
8) Arizona
9) Missouri
10) Florida
Not all of us agree.
I am still (and always will be) a die-hard, true-blue Kentucky Wildcats fan.
After all, we are still the defending National Champions!
Go Big Blue!
Go Big Blue!
Go Big Blue!
My apologies Mr. White, I don't want to come across as that jerk sports fan. Talking a little trash is good fun, but no one wants to be that jerk sports fan.
You are not that jerk - you're wonderful, man!
I'm sure mr. white understands your sentiment... just used 1 wrong word.
Growing up in Indiana - my dislike for UK goes way back to the annual border-war matchups, usually between ranked teams. Most likely, with Tracy too & his SEC Ole boys. I think what really brings the over the top hate for UK on this thread is Callipari & the cheating from his previous stops.
As long as mr. white mentioned the past, I gotta tell y'all that I've popped the proverbial cork as no unbeaten teams remain. Celebrating the last UNDEFEATED NCAA National Champions - the '76 INDIANA HOOSIERS!!! Did I mention they beat Michigan 3 times that year? :wink:
Speaking of UM...
Inexperience seemed to show at Columbus against a " bit overated" team...Robinson pretty quiet, Canuck scoreless, others ineffective.
Hardaway shoots 5-15.
Burkes' D,.... or lack of.
Craft seemed to have pretty "good luck" "staying in front" of Burke for most of the game. :cheesy:
Crap! Now I may have to root for them as the Gophers are soooo tuff @ the Barn & have also already' stole one ' @ Champaign. :undecided:
As the saying goes, "Life's A Bitch In the B1G". :beer:
I agree that rankings don't mean anything in Jan. It's nice for the students' school spirit, but I wanna see it at the end of March Madness!
Duke slips because of injuries, IU up to #2 because of Gophers strength and Butler (played like a ranked team vs. Hoosiers, became ranked after that game and now up to #13 w/14-2 record).
Pitino said earlier today that he thinks others will be ranked #1 sometime later this season.
Doesn't get any easier in the B1G this week.... Wisconsin @ IU, UM @ the Barn among others.
Quote from: YimYodd on Jan 14, 2013, 07:54 PM
Speaking of UM...
Inexperience seemed to show at Columbus against a " bit overated" team...Robinson pretty quiet, Canuck scoreless, others ineffective.
Hardaway shoots 5-15.
Burkes' D,.... or lack of.
Craft seemed to have pretty "good luck" "staying in front" of Burke for most of the game. :cheesy:
Crap! Now I may have to root for them as the Gophers are soooo tuff @ the Barn & have also already' stole one ' @ Champaign. :undecided:
As the saying goes, "Life's A Bitch In the B1G". :beer:
Yeah yeah. Like I said, I should have saved the overrated comments until after the game. I knew that would bite me in the ass! :tongue: The inexperience definitely showed early in that game as it took Michigan 10 minutes to show up and by that time they were down 22. But what I DID like is the fact that this young team didn't fold on the road in a very hostile and excited environment. They dug in and slowly chipped away at OSU's lead getting it down to 12 at the half and eventually tying the game with under 5 to go and were within a Trey Burke rattle out trey of possibly pulling out the improbable comeback. All in all, this wasn't a 'bad' loss for Michigan if they can take it and learn from it. Things aren't getting any easier on Thurdsay in Minneapolis so it will be interesting to see how this young team responds to their first adversity of the season.
As for Craft's defense on Burke, I will give Craft credit and acknowledge he is a good defender. But, with that said, I think part of why he is such a good defender is because he gets away with a TON of fouls! Personally, I think he's one of the dirtiest players in college basketball. I've even heard him admit to the fact that he basically fouls on every possession because he knows the refs aren't going to call him on every foul.
I will also say, the Bucks will be lucky to stay within 10 of Michigan when they play again in Ann Arbor. They built a 22 point lead and still had to cling on for dear life to hold Michigan off in their gym, and I don't think OSU is going to find Michigan as generous as to spot them a 22 point lead 10 minutes into the game at the Crisler Center... :cool:
Quote from: YimYodd on Jan 14, 2013, 08:55 PM
I agree that rankings don't mean anything in Jan. It's nice for the students' school spirit, but I wanna see it at the end of March Madness!
Duke slips because of injuries, IU up to #2 because of Gophers strength and Butler (played like a ranked team vs. Hoosiers, became ranked after that game and now up to #13 w/14-2 record).
Pitino said earlier today that he thinks others will be ranked #1 sometime later this season.
Doesn't get any easier in the B1G this week.... Wisconsin @ IU, UM @ the Barn among others.
OSU is at MooU as well...
I will say, I don't think anyone in their right mind could make an argument against the B1G being far and away the best conference in college basketball. Six teams in the top 25 with Wisky receiving votes??? If you look at the top 6, I think KU and Duke can pretty much pencil in their #1 seeds already due to the weakness of the ACC and Big12 this year. Duke's only remaining ranked opponent is NC St. at Cameron and KU's only remaining ranked opponent is KSU who they still play home and away. :rolleyes:
Michigan and IU, on the other hand, have EIGHT remaining games vs. ranked opponents?! :shocked: And the Big East isn't too shabby either as Louisville has 5 remaining games vs. ranked opponents and the Cuse has 4. IMO, the brutality of the B1G should be factored in when seedings are announced. Whoever comes out on top of the B1G should get a #1 seed and, in reality, depending on how things play out, the B1G could be deserving of two #1 seeds...
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Jan 15, 2013, 10:56 AM
Quote from: YimYodd on Jan 14, 2013, 08:55 PM
I agree that rankings don't mean anything in Jan. It's nice for the students' school spirit, but I wanna see it at the end of March Madness!
Duke slips because of injuries, IU up to #2 because of Gophers strength and Butler (played like a ranked team vs. Hoosiers, became ranked after that game and now up to #13 w/14-2 record).
Pitino said earlier today that he thinks others will be ranked #1 sometime later this season.
Doesn't get any easier in the B1G this week.... Wisconsin @ IU, UM @ the Barn among others.
OSU is at MooU as well...
I will say, I don't think anyone in their right mind could make an argument against the B1G being far and away the best conference in college basketball. Six teams in the top 25 with Wisky receiving votes??? If you look at the top 6, I think KU and Duke can pretty much pencil in their #1 seeds already due to the weakness of the ACC and Big12 this year. Duke's only remaining ranked opponent is NC St. at Cameron and KU's only remaining ranked opponent is KSU who they still play home and away. :rolleyes:
Michigan and IU, on the other hand, have EIGHT remaining games vs. ranked opponents?! :shocked: And the Big East isn't too shabby either as Louisville has 5 remaining games vs. ranked opponents and the Cuse has 4. IMO, the brutality of the B1G should be factored in when seedings are announced. Whoever comes out on top of the B1G should get a #1 seed and, in reality, depending on how things play out, the B1G could be deserving of two #1 seeds...
agreed. what we lack in football, we make up for in hoops! (Go Bucks!)
Another big game tonight for the Hoosiers. Squaring up against a hot Wisconsin team. Indiana, being the highest scoring team, plays avery high pace style of basketball. If they push the tempo then the game will be a blow out. But, if Indiana decides to play Wisconsin's game (hold the ball for 34.9 seconds and then throw up a lucky 3 pt shot), it will be a much closer. Indiana needs to stick with what they do best: force turnovers, run the fast break, and get shots in the open floor.
Hoosiers looking to end a 10 - game L streak vs. Badgers, who will look to keep the score in the 60s.
I look for IU to come out and really push the tempo and press on D to force UW to play their style of game.
UW leads league in turnover ratio (+4.25 in their favor) so IU needs to get some easy baskets from their pressure and take care of the ball on the offensive end.
ILikeBeer,
I agree w/ your assessment of Craft, he's been doing it for years.
But it is the B1G and they are not gonna call alot of stuff. If he played for IU or UM we would admire his 'Craft-iness' :grin:
Rooting for Oladipo to earn defensive POY in the B1G.....hopefully even bigger honors nationally.
MSU is coming on strong, gonna have to pull for OSU again this week :undecided: - but that will soon come to an end.
Who ya got in this one?
Well, it looks like we will be adding yet another B1G team to the top 25 in the next poll. This league is BRUTAL! I'd be surprised it the winner doesn't come with at least 4 conference losses when it's all said and done...
I gotta say, I didn't see that coming. Could Bo Ryan be the most under-rated basketball coach in the country? I read a stat that since he took over at Wisky in 2002, his teams have never finished worse than 4th in the B1G! :shocked: And I really thought this would be the year that streak ended, but now... Forget about a top 4 finish, I'm wondering if Wisky might not be positioning themselves as the team to beat?!
I feel bad for Northwestern this weekend. They're going to be seeing a very angry IU team showing up in Evanston on Sunday.
Does Moo U has what one might consider a trap game tonight @ PSU? I mean, Sparty is hosting OSU on Saturday so might they be looking ahead a bit to that game and maybe overlook lowly PSU? I doubt it, but it won't stop me from putting Sparty on upset alert.
Good thing Indiana is in the Big10. They need to learn how to lose a little bit. Come tournament time NOTHING comes easy.
The one thing that really aggrevates me about IU is their second half play. In the past two games they find a strategy that works. Last night they were getting Zeller looks. Where was he in the 2nd half? Only 2 points after coming out with a blazing 18 point start. The commentators have been saying it best, Zeller needs to demand the ball. The best college big men of all time (Ewing, Alcindor, Olajuwon) were able to demand the ball and make plays. Even Plumlee on Duke finds a way to make plays on his own! Bottom line, Crean needs to start drawing up plays for Zeller and finding ways to give him the ball down the stretch.
Quote from: wonderfulman on Jan 16, 2013, 11:42 AM
Good thing Indiana is in the Big10. They need to learn how to lose a little bit. Come tournament time NOTHING comes easy.
The one thing that really aggrevates me about IU is their second half play. In the past two games they find a strategy that works. Last night they were getting Zeller looks. Where was he in the 2nd half? Only 2 points after coming out with a blazing 18 point start. The commentators have been saying it best, Zeller needs to demand the ball. The best college big men of all time (Ewing, Alcindor, Olajuwon) were able to demand the ball and make plays. Even Plumlee on Duke finds a way to make plays on his own! Bottom line, Crean needs to start drawing up plays for Zeller and finding ways to give him the ball down the stretch.
Yeah, I was shocked at how Zeller just completely disappeared in teh 2nd half of that game. How can a Naismith finalist score 18 in the 1st half and then almost get shut out in the most important time of the game?
Whenever you Big 10 homers stop jerking each other off, you should check out this article on Ole Miss junior Marshall Henderson who leads the SEC in scoring for the 14-2 Rebels
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/47647/marshall-henderson-is-college-basketballs-newest-madman (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/47647/marshall-henderson-is-college-basketballs-newest-madman)
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 16, 2013, 02:01 PM
Whenever you Big 10 homers stop jerking each other off, you should check out this article on Ole Miss junior Marshall Henderson who leads the SEC in scoring for the 14-2 Rebels
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/47647/marshall-henderson-is-college-basketballs-newest-madman (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/47647/marshall-henderson-is-college-basketballs-newest-madman)
Do you like my new avatar Tracy?
Marshall Henderson is an amazing basketball player. And also, an extremely huge prick. He will get punched before the year is over I promise.
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Quote from: BH on Jan 16, 2013, 02:21 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 16, 2013, 02:01 PM
Whenever you Big 10 homers stop jerking each other off, you should check out this article on Ole Miss junior Marshall Henderson who leads the SEC in scoring for the 14-2 Rebels
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/47647/marshall-henderson-is-college-basketballs-newest-madman (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/47647/marshall-henderson-is-college-basketballs-newest-madman)
Do you like my new avatar Tracy?
Marshall Henderson is an amazing basketball player. And also, an extremely huge prick. He will get punched before the year is over I promise.
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Wow, thanks for showing me your new avatar!
Henderson is def one of those guys I would hate if he played for someone else, I think.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 16, 2013, 02:01 PM
Whenever you Big 10 homers stop jerking each other off, you should check out this article on Ole Miss junior Marshall Henderson who leads the SEC in scoring for the 14-2 Rebels
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/47647/marshall-henderson-is-college-basketballs-newest-madman (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/47647/marshall-henderson-is-college-basketballs-newest-madman)
Nice shot from 40 ft away to send the game into OT yesterday. But how does it feel to pick up IU's scrubs who can't handle playing with the big boys? coughNick Williamscough.
Quote from: wonderfulman on Jan 16, 2013, 02:57 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 16, 2013, 02:01 PM
Whenever you Big 10 homers stop jerking each other off, you should check out this article on Ole Miss junior Marshall Henderson who leads the SEC in scoring for the 14-2 Rebels
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/47647/marshall-henderson-is-college-basketballs-newest-madman (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/47647/marshall-henderson-is-college-basketballs-newest-madman)
Nice shot from 40 ft away to send the game into OT yesterday. But how does it feel to pick up IU's scrubs who can't handle playing with the big boys? coughNick Williamscough.
Big Boys?
Trivia time:How many NCAA Championships in the past 20 years for the Big 10? (Hint: less than 2, more than 0)
How many NCAA championships in the past 20 years for the SEC?
Ole Miss has as many NCAA basketball championships as IU does in the past 30 years. We'll take your scrubs any day.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 16, 2013, 03:13 PMBig Boys?
Trivia time:
How many NCAA Championships in the past 20 years for the Big 10? (Hint: less than 2, more than 0)
How many NCAA championships in the past 20 years for the SEC?
Ole Miss has as many NCAA basketball championships as IU does in the past 30 years. We'll take your scrubs any day.
Ole Miss has as many championships as IU in the last 20 years, not 30 years. IU won one in 1987. But yes you are right, between UK and UF, the SEC has definitely has brought home its fair share of NCAA Championships.
Quote from: wonderfulman on Jan 16, 2013, 03:32 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 16, 2013, 03:13 PMBig Boys?
Trivia time:
How many NCAA Championships in the past 20 years for the Big 10? (Hint: less than 2, more than 0)
How many NCAA championships in the past 20 years for the SEC?
Ole Miss has as many NCAA basketball championships as IU does in the past 30 years. We'll take your scrubs any day.
Ole Miss has as many championships as IU in the last 20 years, not 30 years. IU won one in 1987. But yes you are right, between UK and UF and Arkansas, the SEC has definitely has brought home its fair share of NCAA Championships.
Oh sorry, 25 years. Pretty long time.
I corrected your post up there; Arkansas went to back to back title games in 94-95; won in 94. Nolan Richardson deemed it 40 Minutes of Hell.
Here's the conference breakdown of titles for past 20 years
ACC- 8
SEC- 6
Big East- 3
Pac 10 (12)- 2
Big 10 AKA the Big Boys AKA Overrated in Everything- 1
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 16, 2013, 02:01 PM
Whenever you Big 10 homers stop jerking each other off, you should check out this article on Ole Miss junior Marshall Henderson who leads the SEC in scoring for the 14-2 Rebels
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/47647/marshall-henderson-is-college-basketballs-newest-madman (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/47647/marshall-henderson-is-college-basketballs-newest-madman)
Oh, you mean like you SEC homers did to each other in the NCAA football thread? :kiss:
Sorry your SEC sucks in hoops this year and nobody wants to talk about them Tracy.
Nice win last night that took a 35 foot prayer to get to OT over a team that lost by 17 to freaking Marist. Who the hell is Marist anyways? Oh, they're 4-13 btw. Yeah, Miss St is totally legit... :grin:
Also nice games for Ole Miss against Middle Tennessee and Indiana St. too. Did Bird come back for that Indiana St game? :grin:
Awww yeah, now this thread is heating up nicely!
Your numbers were a little off Tracy. It's actually:
ACC - 6
SEC - 6
Big East - 4
Pac 10 - 2
Big 12 - 1
Big 10 - 1
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Jan 16, 2013, 05:03 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 16, 2013, 02:01 PM
Whenever you Big 10 homers stop jerking each other off, you should check out this article on Ole Miss junior Marshall Henderson who leads the SEC in scoring for the 14-2 Rebels
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/47647/marshall-henderson-is-college-basketballs-newest-madman (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/47647/marshall-henderson-is-college-basketballs-newest-madman)
Oh, you mean like you SEC homers did to each other in the NCAA football thread? :kiss:
Sorry your SEC sucks in hoops this year and nobody wants to talk about them Tracy.
Nice win last night that took a 35 foot prayer to get to OT over a team that lost by 17 to freaking Marist. Who the hell is Marist anyways? Oh, they're 4-13 btw. Yeah, Miss St is totally legit... :grin:
Also nice games for Ole Miss against Middle Tennessee and Indiana St. too. Did Bird come back for that Indiana St game? :grin:
Well, at least us SEC homers have the best conference in the nation, in just about everything, except hockey.
The SEC has more titles in the big 3 sports in the past 20 years compared to everyone, especially the Big 10. Do you want to talk about SEC winning baseball championships next?
Here's the break down of National Championships for the Big 10 in the 3 major sports over the past 20 years (and we'll stick with the 14 year hx of the BCS in football).
Football-1
Basketball-1
Baseball-0
and the SEC:
Football- 9
Baseball-7
Basketball-6
Our
weakest sport is basketball and we win more than you 6-1! :grin: :grin:
I am a homer all day with those digits!
Absolutely no reason to say those 2 conferences in the same breath. :grin:
I was simply responding to the "big boys" comment. If the Big 10 are the "big boys" then they sure don't win a lot of championships there. In anything.
Big boys :rolleyes:
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Quote from: BH on Jan 16, 2013, 05:33 PM
Awww yeah, now this thread is heating up nicely!
Your numbers were a little off Tracy. It's actually:
ACC - 6
SEC - 6
Big East - 4
Pac 10 - 2
Big 12 - 1
Big 10 - 1
ooops, my bad.
Nice catch fellow SEC man! :happy:
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 16, 2013, 05:49 PM
Quote from: BH on Jan 16, 2013, 05:33 PM
Awww yeah, now this thread is heating up nicely!
Your numbers were a little off Tracy. It's actually:
ACC - 6
SEC - 6
Big East - 4
Pac 10 - 2
Big 12 - 1
Big 10 - 1
ooops, my bad.
Nice catch fellow SEC man! :happy:
I went to one of dem smarter schools that came over from the Big 12. :wink:
I decided I'll keep the Ole Miss avatar until they lose again.
Unless my math is off, Michigan winning the 1997 NC would count for 2 football championships in 20 years...
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Jan 16, 2013, 06:03 PM
Unless my math is off, Michigan winning the 1997 NC would count for 2 football championships in 20 years...
BCS Title game started in 1999 (98 season) when Tennessee beat Florida St.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 16, 2013, 02:01 PM
Whenever you Big 10 homers stop jerking each other off, you should check out this article on Ole Miss junior Marshall Henderson who leads the SEC in scoring for the 14-2 Rebels
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/47647/marshall-henderson-is-college-basketballs-newest-madman (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/47647/marshall-henderson-is-college-basketballs-newest-madman)
Tracy
FYI,
I have a lovely, large-breasted redhead who takes care of me in her boudoir - so leave me out of your homoerotic fantasies (not that there's anything wrong with that, if that works for you).
Save it for when Shane Ryan and you are circle jerkin', with the aid of some of Calliparis' hair gel, to a M Henderson video while Ryans' sqeallin' like a pig and telling you "you got a pretty mouth". :wink:
Quote from: YimYodd on Jan 16, 2013, 06:44 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 16, 2013, 02:01 PM
Whenever you Big 10 homers stop jerking each other off, you should check out this article on Ole Miss junior Marshall Henderson who leads the SEC in scoring for the 14-2 Rebels
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/47647/marshall-henderson-is-college-basketballs-newest-madman (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/47647/marshall-henderson-is-college-basketballs-newest-madman)
Tracy
FYI,
I have a lovely, large-breasted redhead who takes care of me in her boudoir - so leave me out of your homoerotic fantasies (not that there's anything wrong with that, if that works for you).
Save it for when Shane Ryan and you are circle jerkin', with the aid of some of Calliparis' hair gel, to a M Henderson video while Ryans' sqeallin' like a pig and telling you "you got a pretty mouth". :wink:
That was so close to working! So close! But by simply re-framing my reference to "jerking each other off" in your response with a "circle jerkin'", your ability to come back strong with
original content suffered mightily, thus, alas, I give you a C-. The idea is
all original content; once you get repetitive to the former post, you enter into the world of borrowing and it loses its steam.
Try again?
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 16, 2013, 06:58 PM
Quote from: YimYodd on Jan 16, 2013, 06:44 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 16, 2013, 02:01 PM
Whenever you Big 10 homers stop jerking each other off, you should check out this article on Ole Miss junior Marshall Henderson who leads the SEC in scoring for the 14-2 Rebels
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/47647/marshall-henderson-is-college-basketballs-newest-madman (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/47647/marshall-henderson-is-college-basketballs-newest-madman)
Tracy
FYI,
I have a lovely, large-breasted redhead who takes care of me in her boudoir - so leave me out of your homoerotic fantasies (not that there's anything wrong with that, if that works for you).
Save it for when Shane Ryan and you are circle jerkin', with the aid of some of Calliparis' hair gel, to a M Henderson video while Ryans' sqeallin' like a pig and telling you "you got a pretty mouth". :wink:
That was so close to working! So close! But by simply re-framing my reference to "jerking each other off" in your response with a "circle jerkin'", your ability to come back strong with original content suffered mightily, thus, alas, I give you a C-. The idea is all original content; once you get repetitive to the former post, you enter into the world of borrowing and it loses its steam.
Try again?
C-? A little harsh maybe,especially by SEC academic standards.
I'll stay w/ it, and take the average grade of anyone that cares to chime in (but who cares?).
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 16, 2013, 06:12 PM
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Jan 16, 2013, 06:03 PM
Unless my math is off, Michigan winning the 1997 NC would count for 2 football championships in 20 years...
BCS Title game started in 1999 (98 season) when Tennessee beat Florida St.
Last time I checked, they didn't start awarding National Championships in 1999 with the advent of the BcS... :rolleyes:
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Jan 16, 2013, 07:56 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 16, 2013, 06:12 PM
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Jan 16, 2013, 06:03 PM
Unless my math is off, Michigan winning the 1997 NC would count for 2 football championships in 20 years...
BCS Title game started in 1999 (98 season) when Tennessee beat Florida St.
Last time I checked, they didn't start awarding National Championships in 1999 with the advent of the BcS... :rolleyes:
It started the "undisputed" era. Many times before then you would get split national champions, like Michigan and Nebraska in 1997, but the BCS was created to solve that.
If you really want the Michigan "title" in 97 fine; Let's go back an entire 20 years and the Big 10 has 1.5 titles compared to the SEC's 11.
You can't possibly have a point. :grin:
Any MD fans here?
Sweet victory tonight!!!!
NC State beats #1 Duke, MD beats, NC State a few days later, MD not ranked, really?!?!?!
ON, WISCONSIN....OUCH!
11 straight Ws v. IU, nobody's done that to Hoosiers in 90 years.
Bo owns Crean, 15-3 in career . Def an underrated coach - 11 straight NCAAs & highest winning % of any B1G coach in history! Nice game plan w/ controlling the pace and spacing to alleviate the full court pressure D.
Bruesewitz, like OSUs' Craft, will do anything the refs will let him get away with. I hate that guy! -but would luv to have him on my side.
Difference ended up being bench scoring, 16 - 2 with 4-5 3pointers.
IU doesn't go to Madison this year, but I'd like to see them get a shot in post-season to keep streak from reaching 12 - only team to ever do that was PURDOUCHE back when they were still taking the ball out of a peachbasket!
Interesting and hopefully entertaining game tonite in Ann Arbor - will UM bounce back?
Minny has edge in experience, UM playing @ Crysler.
Williams v. the talented but inexperienced Robinson?
Mbwake v. Morgan/inexperienced McGary?
Burke v. Hollins - Both should 'get theirs' but will 1 be dominant?
Will Coleman or the Canuck step up?
Coach B v. Tubby?
Will Hardaway 'show up'?
Either way, one team slips ahead of IU in conference play one slides behind.
Let's get it on.
Crap! I see game is actually @ the Barn(posted that coupla days ago) sorry,.....post-work 420 session :tongue:.
Same questions remain to be answered. :grin:
Quote from: GO4IT on Jan 16, 2013, 10:36 PM
Any MD fans here?
Sweet victory tonight!!!!
NC State beats #1 Duke, MD beats, NC State a few days later, MD not ranked, really?!?!?!
Terrapin alum here. we needed that win in a bad way...but i was about ready to throw the remote thru the TV when P'Shon took that last shot. he is straight garbage.
if MD didn't have the epic failure of a second half vs. FSU last week (not to mention the shit show @ Miami), we'd be ranked for sure.
i hope Len stays another year. he and Wells and this years crop of freshmen will be something to see in 2014 after a year playing together.
Quote from: e-stone on Jan 17, 2013, 06:10 PM
Quote from: GO4IT on Jan 16, 2013, 10:36 PM
Any MD fans here?
Sweet victory tonight!!!!
NC State beats #1 Duke, MD beats, NC State a few days later, MD not ranked, really?!?!?!
Terrapin alum here. we needed that win in a bad way...but i was about ready to throw the remote thru the TV when P'Shon took that last shot. he is straight garbage.
if MD didn't have the epic failure of a second half vs. FSU last week (not to mention the shit show @ Miami), we'd be ranked for sure.
i hope Len stays another year. he and Wells and this years crop of freshmen will be something to see in 2014 after a year playing together.
When do they join the B1G? Haven't followed them over the last few years.
Of course, I cussed them after they beat IU for title, but that was a solid, well-coached team.
One of my favorite players as a kid in the 70s was Len Elmore - still a favorite in the broadcast booth.
Len Bias, RIP, was awsome!
Quote from: YimYodd on Jan 17, 2013, 06:46 PM
Quote from: e-stone on Jan 17, 2013, 06:10 PM
Quote from: GO4IT on Jan 16, 2013, 10:36 PM
Any MD fans here?
Sweet victory tonight!!!!
NC State beats #1 Duke, MD beats, NC State a few days later, MD not ranked, really?!?!?!
Terrapin alum here. we needed that win in a bad way...but i was about ready to throw the remote thru the TV when P'Shon took that last shot. he is straight garbage.
if MD didn't have the epic failure of a second half vs. FSU last week (not to mention the shit show @ Miami), we'd be ranked for sure.
i hope Len stays another year. he and Wells and this years crop of freshmen will be something to see in 2014 after a year playing together.
When do they join the B1G? Haven't followed them over the last few years.
Of course, I cussed them after they beat IU for title, but that was a solid, well-coached team.
One of my favorite players as a kid in the 70s was Len Elmore - still a favorite in the broadcast booth.
Len Bias, RIP, was awsome!
one more season in the ACC then Big 10 in 2014-15. i'm still undecided how i feel about the move.
as much as i love Gary Williams, it's criminal that he couldn't recruit after the National Championship.
i got lucky to see Walt Williams play my freshman year. other than that, Joe Smith was The Man for a short time until he went to the NBA. and i got to see many an ACC stud play (Tim Duncan, Laetner and G Hill...many more that i'm forgetting i'm sure)
will UM bounce back?
Williams v. the talented but inexperienced Robinson :thumbsup:
Mbwake v. Morgan/inexperienced McGary :thumbsup:
Burke v. Hollins - Both should 'get theirs' but will 1 be dominant :thumbsup:
Will Coleman or the Canuck step up :thumbsup:
Coach B v. Tubby? :thumbsup:
Will Hardaway 'show up'? :thumbsup:
Quote from: YimYodd on Jan 17, 2013, 11:02 PM
will UM bounce back?
Williams v. the talented but inexperienced Robinson :thumbsup:
Mbwake v. Morgan/inexperienced McGary :thumbsup:
Burke v. Hollins - Both should 'get theirs' but will 1 be dominant :thumbsup:
Will Coleman or the Canuck step up :thumbsup:
Coach B v. Tubby? :thumbsup:
Will Hardaway 'show up'? :thumbsup:
Yes, I'm very happy about that result last night for Michigan! :beer:
Nice bounce back game and I think it's safe to say that the freshmen did indeed use that OSU game as a learning experience as I was hoping they would!
Hey Ruckus, can your Illini be harder to figure out? It's starting to look a lot like deja vu in Champaign as Illinois drops to 1-4 in conference play! :shocked:
yeah Beer, very deja vu. Bruce Weber is grinning at Kstate right now. Few teams can boast of double digit victories against three ranked teams ( Butler, Gonzaga, and OSU) then just shit the bed just as often. At this point we are already fighting for our tourney lives.
Quote from: Ruckus on Jan 18, 2013, 11:27 AM
yeah Beer, very deja vu. Bruce Weber is grinning at Kstate right now. Few teams can boast of double digit victories against three ranked teams ( Butler, Gonzaga, and OSU) then just shit the bed just as often. At this point we are already fighting for our tourney lives.
As most analysts have been saying, and I can definitely agree with them, whoever wins the BIG regular season title will most likely have 4 losses. Don't fret Ruckus, I think Illinois will be alright.
Quote from: Ruckus on Jan 18, 2013, 11:27 AM
yeah Beer, very deja vu. Bruce Weber is grinning at Kstate right now. Few teams can boast of double digit victories against three ranked teams ( Butler, Gonzaga, and OSU) then just shit the bed just as often. At this point we are already fighting for our tourney lives.
It is for this very reason that I won't be sleeping on Illinois when Michigan makes the trip to Champaign on the 27th...
Headed to Oxford tomorrow to watch the Rebels play the pigs. After a win and being 15-2, hopefully we'll crack the top 25.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/perennial-nit-team-ole-miss-aims-crash-march-152335366--ncaab.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/perennial-nit-team-ole-miss-aims-crash-march-152335366--ncaab.html)
Perennial NIT team Ole Miss aims to crash March's main stage this year
Ole Miss coach Andy Kennedy admits it's bittersweet being known as college basketball's king of the NIT.
Five times in Kennedy's six full seasons at Ole Miss, the Rebels have won at least 20 games but at the end of each of those seasons they've settled for an NIT bid.
On the one hand, that's a remarkable accomplishment at a school whose basketball program existed for almost a century prior to Kennedy's arrival yet only had six 20-win seasons and three NCAA tournament victories to show for it. On the other hand, Kennedy would dearly love to help Ole Miss take the next step forward this March and reach his first NCAA tournament.
"We've done some things here that I'm very proud of and we've got this program moving in the right direction, but I know at the end of the day in college basketball, the emphasis is on March Madness," Kennedy said. "That's certainly the goal every year. Now my hope is for these guys, especially these seniors, that this year we can take that next step."
Ole Miss has ascended into position to achieve that goal thanks to a 14-2 start validated by a top 50 RPI and three straight wins to open SEC play.
Last Saturday, in front of a national TV audience and a rare sellout home crowd, Ole Miss secured the signature win it needed, leading then-No. 10 Missouri from the opening tipoff until the final buzzer en route to a 64-49 rout. Sandwiched around that game were victories at Tennessee and Vanderbilt, ensuring this season will be the first in 43 years in which the Rebels have won on the road against both the Commodores and Vols.
Even though Ole Miss is a home win against Arkansas this Saturday away from its first 4-0 start to SEC play since 1937, Kennedy is taking nothing for granted. The Rebels have piled up gaudy mid-January records before during his tenure, even starting 13-0 in his second season, but they've always wound up on the fringes of the NCAA tournament picture.
"We've certainly put ourselves in position to [contend for an NCAA bid], but we're three games into an 18-game league schedule, there's a lot of basketball left to be played and we have to make sure we take care of our business," Kennedy said.
"Of the six years I've been here prior, maybe four of those we've had opportunities deep into February that would have allowed us to take the next step and we didn't take advantage of them. For us, it's about taking advantage of those opportunities this year, and we've done a good job to this point."
The biggest key to Ole Miss' success this season has been Kennedy's decision to gamble on Marshall Henderson, a high-scoring but well-traveled guard who had bounced from Utah to Texas Tech to a junior college the previous three years.
At this time last year, Kennedy dismissed leading scorer Dundrecous Nelson as a result of multiple failed drug tests, leaving the Rebels in desperate need of a perimeter scorer capable of easing the scoring burden on the rest of the team. That convinced Kennedy to make a push to land Henderson, who had experienced a few off-court issues yet also started almost every game as a freshman at Utah and earned national junior college player of the year honors last year after leading South Plains College to a 36-0 record.
"The Thursday before the start of SEC play last year, I had to dismiss my leading scorer, a guard who was a volume scorer and pretty productive putting the ball in the basket," Kennedy said. "We go to LSU. We get pounded. And I remember meeting with the staff as we were leaving and saying, 'Hey listen, we've got an issue here. There's nothing we can do about it now, but we've got to address it moving forward. We scoured the country to find the right guy, and Marshall obviously fit that."
It's not easy persuading elite prospects to play for an Ole Miss program with little history of success, so Kennedy has had to take some guys other coaches have shied away from in order to raise the talent level.
In the case of Jelan Kendrick, an ex-McDonald's All-American who transferred to Ole Miss after being dismissed as a freshman at Memphis, the gamble didn't pay off as he played sparingly for one season before bolting for UNLV. In the case of Henderson, it has worked out far better.
Not only does Kennedy insist Henderson has been "zero maintenance" off the floor, the 6-foot-2 junior has also been exactly the catalyst Mississippi needed on it. He is averaging an SEC-best 19.1 points per game and has ramped up his scoring in SEC play, erupting for a career-high 32 at Tennessee and sinking a game-tying 35 footer at the buzzer to force overtime at Vanderbilt.
Though Henderson is a classic volume scorer who shoots just below 40 percent from the field and averages more than 10 3-point attempts per game, his lack of conscience and trademark bravado has been effective so far. Opposing defenses have had to pay so much attention to him that it has freed interior players like forwards Murphy Holloway and Reginald Buckner for easier shots around the rim.
"I want him to be super aggressive but within the confines of what we're trying to accomplish and he has done a much better job of that of late," Kennedy said. "He has unlimited range, he's getting to the free throw line consistently and he extends your defense, which allows for better spacing. Also one of the strengths of our team has been our ability to offensive rebound. Teams get so strung out trying to chase him a lot of times if you use him in ball screen action, that the big setting the screen will be able to get to the offensive glass."
In a weaker-than-usual SEC featuring a half dozen teams enduring rebuilding seasons, Ole Miss can't afford to finish in the middle of the pack and hope that's good enough for an NCAA bid this year. A top four finish and maybe another win over one of the league's elite teams would go a long way toward getting the Rebels into the field of 68 and enabling their coach to get to experience March's main stage for the first time instead of the auxiliary one.
"Through 16 games, I hope that we realize the approach we have to take to be successful," Kennedy said. "You've got to prepare every day and go perform. It's staying in the proper mindset so that our approach is good day in and day out."
Fantastic action over the weekend.
#1 goes down....lots of back and forth action between 2 very talanted BigEast teams.
Another tight back and forth game as Wichita St. cracks T25 by holding off #12 Creighton.
Mississippis' bigs look impressive v. Hogs, just make T25.
Florida blasts Mizzu.
PURDOUCHE steps out of conference and wins by 30???
Iowa smokes WISC early (30-10) and hangs 1st L on Badgers in conference.
Sparty rolls on - lots of weapons.... squeaks 1 out v. OSU.
ESPN Gameday from old Hinkle Fieldhouse for the battle of the Bulldogs.
Before the game, the kid pulled out of the crowd hits shot from half-court for big $$.
Butler just plays tough , all the time. Their leading scorer Rotnie Clarke is out injured - Jones injured during game but plays through the pain and makes the winning basket w/ less than 1/10th of a second left after picking of ill-advised pass from Gonzaga.
Great day of action - and those were just the games I watched.
Quote from: Mr. White on Jan 23, 2013, 09:08 PM
Final score
Duke 63 - Miami 90
The 3rd largest margin of victory over an AP No. 1 team (Kentucky has the record on the winning side against St. John's who was No. 1 back on Dec. 17, 1951, and UCLA is second with a 32 point win over Houston on Mar. 22, 1968).
Yes!
Yes!
Yes!
Great to see that, too. :grin: However, Coach K and the assistants were checking out the celebrating going on down at the Miami bench; the rematch on March 2nd at Cameron Indoor will be must see TV!
Why is it that every year Duke always loses to a lesser known team? Although Miami seems to be pretty good this year, didn't Duke also lose to FSU and someone else lesser known in the ACC over the past several years? They're almost like the USC of college basketball.
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Jan 24, 2013, 12:34 AM
Why is it that every year Duke always loses to a lesser known team? Although Miami seems to be pretty good this year, didn't Duke also lose to FSU and someone else lesser known in the ACC over the past several years? They're almost like the USC of college basketball.
The reason it seems that way is because Duke is notoriously over-rated year in and year out. It's usually not a case of Duke losing to a lesser known team and more a case of an over-rated Duke being exposed for the fraud they are...
And sorry Mr. White, but I'm not shedding any tears over UK losing either. The ESPN hype machine was just starting to rev up talking about how UK's youngsters were starting to play up to their potential. I would laugh my ass off if UK missed the tournament altogether. If the season were to end today, I don't think they're worthy of an at large bid. They have no signature wins on their resume to speak of and they don't have many opportunities left to get one.
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Jan 24, 2013, 04:48 PM
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Jan 24, 2013, 12:34 AM
Why is it that every year Duke always loses to a lesser known team? Although Miami seems to be pretty good this year, didn't Duke also lose to FSU and someone else lesser known in the ACC over the past several years? They're almost like the USC of college basketball.
The reason it seems that way is because Duke is notoriously over-rated year in and year out. It's usually not a case of Duke losing to a lesser known team and more a case of an over-rated Duke being exposed for the fraud they are...
And sorry Mr. White, but I'm not shedding any tears over UK losing either. The ESPN hype machine was just starting to rev up talking about how UK's youngsters were starting to play up to their potential. I would laugh my ass off if UK missed the tournament altogether. If the season were to end today, I don't think they're worthy of an at large bid. They have no signature wins on their resume to speak of and they don't have many opportunities left to get one.
Your analysis on Duke makes complete sense. I don't keep up with college basketball nearly as much as I do for football until its almost tournament time. I guess my comparison to Duke being the USC of basketball isnt too far off
Rebels keep rolling, now 16-2
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Pretty cool in-game coverage of Marshall Henderson telling ESPN he was offended that people were calling his 35 footer against Vanderbilt a "desperation 3" so he showed them at practice the day before by nailing 3 in a row from the same spot.
dammit i HAVE to get rid of the hotty toddy
BH, do you have to keep hotty toddy avatar until the Rebs lose?
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Jan 25, 2013, 12:29 PM
BH, do you have to keep hotty toddy avatar until the Rebs lose?
Yes. I imposed that on myself but I'm a man of my word if nothing else. :embarrassed:
75 years of March Madness
http://www.ncaa.com/75th-march-madness/timeline (http://www.ncaa.com/75th-march-madness/timeline)
Huge week coming for IU.
Starts w MSU coming to town today & ends w UM here- sandwiched in between is a roadtrip to PURDOUCHE.
Hoosiers lack of physical strength may show against Sparty.....can they make up for it w more heart and hustle??
Watford and Zeller will need to use their quickness and shooting skills to take Spartys' bigs away from the basket, Hulls needs to break out of recent shooting slump.
Bench scoring and points off turnovers should be the key stats in determining who gets the W.
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Jeff Borzello/CBS Sports
OK, Saturday was certainly a crazy day of basketball. Two top-five teams fell, NC State sent a message, La Salle made moves, Wisconsin won on a last-second shot. What was everyone talking about at the end of the day? The GIF above, of course.
It's of Ole Miss guard Marshall Henderson taunting the Auburn student section, shortly after hitting two game-winning free throws in the final seconds. Watch it about 30 times, then you can truly dive into the analysis. Here are several observations, cycling through all the MVPs of the GIF:
-Obviously, we kick things off with the older gentleman standing up in defiance right in front of Henderson. Not sure what he said to Henderson, but that guy wasn't having anymore of the tomfoolery.
-The guy in the white polo is big-time, just smiling the entire time. He loves it.
-Jerry Garcia-looking guy on press row. He's clapping, smiling, really enjoying the scene.
-The crew of double-middle finger guys. They're forever best friends.
-The guy who rips his hat off. He was so heated he just couldn't take it anymore.
-Now we get to the sleepers: To kick things off, check out my man next to Auburn pajamas girl. He's got the creepy sideways grin, like he digs Marshall Henderson's attitude, but can't have his friends find out.
-Speaking of Auburn pajamas girl, she looks out of place. And is also terrified by the flying object to her left.
-What is that flying object? No one really knows. Could be a Fathead, could be a cardboard cutout, could be an umbrella. But the blonde girl reacts like it's a head. A real one.
-White hat fellow. Waving his hands, yelling "Come on, come on, come on!" to Henderson. His flailing hands and sideways shuffle steals the show for a bit.
-The guy right in the middle who emphatically sticks a middle finger at Henderson -- and then tears it right back down. Everything he did was 100 percent.
-The curly-haired kid in the orange shirt. He gives the fingers, claps two times (as if to get loose) -- and then goes back with the fingers.
-Kid in the gray hoodie to the left. It kind of looks like he sneezes as the GIF starts -- but bounces back extraordinarily quickly to join in the ballyhoo.
-What about the girl in the upper right corner? She yells some profanity, and then goes tumbling forward, either getting pushed or falling from the momentum of her yelling.
-And yes, the older, older gentleman in the front row just seems dismayed by the entire scene. And probably this analysis of it.
Thanks for strengthening my opnion on what a complete douche Henderson is Tracy?!
It took his two ft's to beat a team that is 8-11 and he acts like they just beat some powerhouse or something??? Grow up Henderson! Maybe Florida can knock his cocky ass down a peg or two this week!
In other news, Michigan should be #1 in the AP Poll for the first time since 1992! :cool: Big road win yesterday in Champaign. Michigan now has road wins @ Minny and @ Illinois which is huge. Next up is a homer with Northwestern before a big showdown in Bloomington next weekend! If Michigan can somehow steal a win @ IU, they will be tough to catch in the conference race.
That is tremendous. Hilarious. What a prick.
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Jan 28, 2013, 11:40 AM
Thanks for strengthening my opnion on what a complete douche Henderson is Tracy?!
It took his two ft's to beat a team that is 8-11 and he acts like they just beat some powerhouse or something??? Grow up Henderson!
We were 4-17 from the FT line! That's 24%! We suck so bad that hitting FT's against an 8-11 team IS like beating a powerhouse! Kentucky comes to the Tad Pad Tuesday night. Kentucky leads the overall series 99-13 (which is bullshit b/c we got a couple of bad calls in some of those games).
Please pray for us and pray that Marshall (Native Flash) Henderson behaves himself!
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4-17? That's nothing Tracy. The local college team in my hometown (The College of Wooster) who is currently 17-2 and ranked 7th in the nation in DIII shot a tepid 10-30 from the charity stripe in a game on Saturday night and still won. :shocked: Possibly the wost ft performance I've ever witnessed. And this is a team that shoots over 70% from the ft line on the season!
Quote from: BH on Jan 28, 2013, 11:51 AM
That is tremendous. Hilarious. What a prick.
The thing about Henderson is it isn't
if he falls, it's
when and how hard will he crash? Hopefully, at some point, someone older with a little bit of wisdom will drop some gems in his ear b/c it might be really ugly. But I am pulling for him, nonetheless, to keep winning and become enlightened, just a bit.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 28, 2013, 01:09 PM
Quote from: BH on Jan 28, 2013, 11:51 AM
That is tremendous. Hilarious. What a prick.
The thing about Henderson is it isn't if he falls, it's when and how hard will he crash? Hopefully, at some point, someone older with a little bit of wisdom will drop some gems in his ear b/c it might be really ugly. But I am pulling for him, nonetheless, to keep winning and become enlightened, just a bit.
I remember during the Vandy game (where the benches are on the baseline) he started to do that to the student section and his coach grabbed him and stopped him. I would hope he's had a talk with him about consequences if he does it again because he could seriously cause a major incident on the road if it keeps up.
Quote from: BH on Jan 28, 2013, 05:11 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 28, 2013, 01:09 PM
Quote from: BH on Jan 28, 2013, 11:51 AM
That is tremendous. Hilarious. What a prick.
The thing about Henderson is it isn't if he falls, it's when and how hard will he crash? Hopefully, at some point, someone older with a little bit of wisdom will drop some gems in his ear b/c it might be really ugly. But I am pulling for him, nonetheless, to keep winning and become enlightened, just a bit.
I remember during the Vandy game (where the benches are on the baseline) he started to do that to the student section and his coach grabbed him and stopped him. I would hope he's had a talk with him about consequences if he does it again because he could seriously cause a major incident on the road if it keeps up.
Yep, he started to do that at the Vandy game, but Kennedy was actually yelling at him to pass the ball to #31 Holloway next time, who was cutting to the goal uncontested, rather than driving the whole way going 1-on-3. The clip stops before Kennedy starts pointing to the court. (plus, all the Ole Miss fans were behind their bench where he was staring)
Ole Miss Extends Overtime Lead (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0F2FyI_oIY#ws)
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 28, 2013, 05:32 PM
Quote from: BH on Jan 28, 2013, 05:11 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 28, 2013, 01:09 PM
Quote from: BH on Jan 28, 2013, 11:51 AM
That is tremendous. Hilarious. What a prick.
The thing about Henderson is it isn't if he falls, it's when and how hard will he crash? Hopefully, at some point, someone older with a little bit of wisdom will drop some gems in his ear b/c it might be really ugly. But I am pulling for him, nonetheless, to keep winning and become enlightened, just a bit.
I remember during the Vandy game (where the benches are on the baseline) he started to do that to the student section and his coach grabbed him and stopped him. I would hope he's had a talk with him about consequences if he does it again because he could seriously cause a major incident on the road if it keeps up.
Yep, he started to do that at the Vandy game, but Kennedy was actually yelling at him to pass the ball to #31 Holloway next time, who was cutting to the goal uncontested, rather than driving the whole way going 1-on-3. The clip stops before Kennedy starts pointing to the court. (plus, all the Ole Miss fans were behind their bench where he was staring)
Ole Miss Extends Overtime Lead (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0F2FyI_oIY#ws)
That's the one! I guess I read it a bit wrong. So maybe Kennedy doesn't give a crap??
Quote from: BH on Jan 28, 2013, 05:39 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 28, 2013, 05:32 PM
Quote from: BH on Jan 28, 2013, 05:11 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 28, 2013, 01:09 PM
Quote from: BH on Jan 28, 2013, 11:51 AM
That is tremendous. Hilarious. What a prick.
The thing about Henderson is it isn't if he falls, it's when and how hard will he crash? Hopefully, at some point, someone older with a little bit of wisdom will drop some gems in his ear b/c it might be really ugly. But I am pulling for him, nonetheless, to keep winning and become enlightened, just a bit.
I remember during the Vandy game (where the benches are on the baseline) he started to do that to the student section and his coach grabbed him and stopped him. I would hope he's had a talk with him about consequences if he does it again because he could seriously cause a major incident on the road if it keeps up.
Yep, he started to do that at the Vandy game, but Kennedy was actually yelling at him to pass the ball to #31 Holloway next time, who was cutting to the goal uncontested, rather than driving the whole way going 1-on-3. The clip stops before Kennedy starts pointing to the court. (plus, all the Ole Miss fans were behind their bench where he was staring)
Ole Miss Extends Overtime Lead (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0F2FyI_oIY#ws)
That's the one! I guess I read it a bit wrong. So maybe Kennedy doesn't give a crap??
Yeah, I have absolutely no idea how Kennedy is handing it. There's no way anyone with an ounce of basketball sense can't see a train wreck coming. He might get humbled (or pummeled) down in Gainesville Saturday. You watch interviews with him and he knows what he's doing plus he's a likable guy; after the Arkansas game I watched him circle the arena with the other players high fiving the fans and he took a second to get some 3 year old girls attention, who was looking up at the ceiling, so he could high 5 her. Maybe watched too much WWA growing up.
This guy is great! He's one of those athletes that need crazy to compete. Like Tracy said, he's a likable guy. He just gets on the court and flips a switch. Take away his crazy and you'll take away his competitive edge. Maybe he'll find a way to channel it differently?
Just had to chime in to say Hotty Toddy for tonight's game! (Former rebel here)
thanks for the beat down beer. there are no woulda couldas when you are better than us at every position. Wonderfulman, while I appreciate your optimistic outlook for the Illini, I think we just may be done. I'm wondering what the committee will do if a team like illinois finishes something like 4 games under 500 in conference but still has very good w/l plus say 5 wins over top 20 teams.
It's early but I'm not feeling too confident
Quote from: Ruckus on Jan 29, 2013, 02:18 PM
thanks for the beat down beer. there are no woulda couldas when you are better than us at every position. Wonderfulman, while I appreciate your optimistic outlook for the Illini, I think we just may be done. I'm wondering what the committee will do if a team like illinois finishes something like 4 games under 500 in conference but still has very good w/l plus say 5 wins over top 20 teams.
It's early but I'm not feeling too confident
The big 10 is brutal. Tough to be in the Illini's position. I would hope the committee would take into account the SOS but the Illini may just end up with too many losses to get in.
I'll say this. If UK ends up getting in and Illinois gets left out, that would be one of the biggest travesties in all of sports...
I know I'll be rooting for your Illini on Thursday when they take on Moo U! :beer:
Tracy, despite some of the trash talking that has gone on between you and some of us BIG folk, I was really rooting for you last night. If this win catapultes UK into the Top 25, I'll be even more upset. Oh well, despite losing, you guys did show a lot of heart. Come tourney time you guys will be fine.
Quote from: wonderfulman on Jan 30, 2013, 10:57 AM
Tracy, despite some of the trash talking that has gone on between you and some of us BIG folk, I was really rooting for you last night. If this win catapultes UK into the Top 25, I'll be even more upset. Oh well, despite losing, you guys did show a lot of heart. Come tourney time you guys will be fine.
It's hard to root for KY, huh?
Our guys weren't ready for prime time. People are wondering if now KY is set for the big run but I don't see it. It took a career high from Wiltjer plus Noel got 9 fouls, but they stopped calling them at 4. Note to the rest of the planet: get Noel in foul trouble. We went on a 16-0 run after he got his 4th.
Gainesville Saturday will be a test and might be ugly.
Looking forward to the IU/MU game Saturday as well. :cool:
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 30, 2013, 11:31 AM
It's hard to root for KY, huh?
Our guys weren't ready for prime time. People are wondering if now KY is set for the big run but I don't see it. It took a career high from Wiltjer plus Noel got 9 fouls, but they stopped calling them at 4. Note to the rest of the planet: get Noel in foul trouble. We went on a 16-0 run after he got his 4th.
Gainesville Saturday will be a test and might be ugly.
Looking forward to the IU/MU game Saturday as well. :cool:
The three teams in college sports that I despise most are UK, Purdue, and WVU (my brother went to Pitt so he be-stilled that hatred into me). I always feel weird saying Kentucky sucks in an MMJ Forum, but I really cannot disguise my hatred. Calipari is the absolute worst.
This IU/Mich game could be the game of the year. With the 1st place in the BIG at stake (hoping that IU smacks Purdouche tonight), I'm quite excited. The one player I am very worried about is Trey Burke. With Victor Oladipo being the best defender in the country, I am confident that he will give Hardaway Jr a tough time. Yogi Ferrell is a pretty solid defender, but it's pretty hard to deny that Burke is the best and quickest PG in the country. Going to be a game for the ages.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jan 28, 2013, 09:09 AM
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Jeff Borzello/CBS Sports
OK, Saturday was certainly a crazy day of basketball. Two top-five teams fell, NC State sent a message, La Salle made moves, Wisconsin won on a last-second shot. What was everyone talking about at the end of the day? The GIF above, of course.
It's of Ole Miss guard Marshall Henderson taunting the Auburn student section, shortly after hitting two game-winning free throws in the final seconds. Watch it about 30 times, then you can truly dive into the analysis. Here are several observations, cycling through all the MVPs of the GIF:
-Obviously, we kick things off with the older gentleman standing up in defiance right in front of Henderson. Not sure what he said to Henderson, but that guy wasn't having anymore of the tomfoolery.
-The guy in the white polo is big-time, just smiling the entire time. He loves it.
-Jerry Garcia-looking guy on press row. He's clapping, smiling, really enjoying the scene.
-The crew of double-middle finger guys. They're forever best friends.
-The guy who rips his hat off. He was so heated he just couldn't take it anymore.
-Now we get to the sleepers: To kick things off, check out my man next to Auburn pajamas girl. He's got the creepy sideways grin, like he digs Marshall Henderson's attitude, but can't have his friends find out.
-Speaking of Auburn pajamas girl, she looks out of place. And is also terrified by the flying object to her left.
-What is that flying object? No one really knows. Could be a Fathead, could be a cardboard cutout, could be an umbrella. But the blonde girl reacts like it's a head. A real one.
-White hat fellow. Waving his hands, yelling "Come on, come on, come on!" to Henderson. His flailing hands and sideways shuffle steals the show for a bit.
-The guy right in the middle who emphatically sticks a middle finger at Henderson -- and then tears it right back down. Everything he did was 100 percent.
-The curly-haired kid in the orange shirt. He gives the fingers, claps two times (as if to get loose) -- and then goes back with the fingers.
-Kid in the gray hoodie to the left. It kind of looks like he sneezes as the GIF starts -- but bounces back extraordinarily quickly to join in the ballyhoo.
-What about the girl in the upper right corner? She yells some profanity, and then goes tumbling forward, either getting pushed or falling from the momentum of her yelling.
-And yes, the older, older gentleman in the front row just seems dismayed by the entire scene. And probably this analysis of it.
i just wanted to mention how much i LOVED each and every little bit of this gif analysis!
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Tracy---THAT is post of the year so far...tears rolling down my face..
Quote from: Penny Lane on Jan 30, 2013, 03:21 PM
Tracy---THAT is post of the year so far...tears rolling down my face..
yes! well done Jeff Borzillo. I love these clip breakdowns!
Quote from: wonderfulman on Jan 30, 2013, 12:01 PM
This IU/Mich game could be the game of the year. With the 1st place in the BIG at stake (hoping that IU smacks Purdouche tonight), I'm quite excited. The one player I am very worried about is Trey Burke. With Victor Oladipo being the best defender in the country, I am confident that he will give Hardaway Jr a tough time. Yogi Ferrell is a pretty solid defender, but it's pretty hard to deny that Burke is the best and quickest PG in the country. Going to be a game for the ages.
My biggest concern for this game is an injury to Jordan Morgan. He rolled his ankle early in the Illinois game and I'm not sure he'll be ready to go by Saturday. He's not much of a contributor on the offensive end, but his nickname is the Minister of Defense. He will be missed in trying to slow down Zeller.
Michigan did have their bigs on the bench step up against Illinois, but IU is a different animal...
Suck it Purdouche :cheesy:
Quote from: wonderfulman on Jan 30, 2013, 10:37 PM
Suck it Purdouche :cheesy:
YES!!!!!!!
Historical beatdown by the Hoosiers, should have been worse.
AJ Hammons gets called for 2 quick fouls, then gets called for only 1 more when it shoulda been over a dozen. I think there's a local 'city ordinance ' on that kinda thing when IU comes to town. :grin: Kid ends up w 30 points, seems to be getting better every game.
Huge game Sat nite in Bloomington, can Hoosier D contain all those UM scorers????? :undecided:
Edit - Or outscore them anyway!!
I think I'm going to quit sports. So painful sometimes.
Greetings from the best 3-7 conference team in the nation. lulz :kiss:
We're #1, we were #1, are we #1?, do we wanna be #1?
All I know for sure is( technically) we are #1 in the B1G standings as of now after a huge win at Columbus.
Ruckus, I'm rooting for that 3-7 team the rest of the season!
GO BIG RED :thumbsup:
Quote from: YimYodd on Feb 10, 2013, 06:39 PM
We're #1, we were #1, are we #1?, do we wanna be #1?
All I know for sure is( technically) we are #1 in the B1G standings as of now after a huge win at Columbus.
Ruckus, I'm rooting for that 3-7 team the rest of the season!
GO BIG RED :thumbsup:
I still have the Indiana game on my DVR. Have watched the last three minutes a couple of times since Thursday :grin:
That Michigan/Wisconsin game was something else. While I understand the fear of fouling if a player can get into his shooting motion right away, it was still surprising to see both Hardaway and Brust's 3 be allowed to be taken when both teams were multiple fouls away from the 1 and 1.
Got the very end of Louisville/ND after leaving the Brown Bird show a bit early. Wow! It was a fun week for sure.
All of a sudden, I really like our chances of making the tourney not. If we hold serve at home against Nebraska, Penn St., and Purdue and win at Northwestern and Iowa, we're golden. Even if we drop one of those, I still think we're good and that's assuming we lose at Ohio State and Michigan.
Quote from: YimYodd on Feb 10, 2013, 06:39 PM
We're #1, we were #1, are we #1?, do we wanna be #1?
All I know for sure is( technically) we are #1 in the B1G standings as of now after a huge win at Columbus.
Ruckus, I'm rooting for that 3-7 team the rest of the season!
GO BIG RED :thumbsup:
We are #1 but I'm not sure we want to be #1. After losing in very disappointing fashion in Champagne, the Hoosiers forsure thought they would be dethroned from the top spot. Yesterday they came out firing on all cylinders, playing probably their best game of the season. Now that we are #1 again, we continue to have that target on our back.
Has it gotten to the point where it's not even worth discussing the B1G until conference tourney time. I can't remember the last time a conference was this good top to bottom outside of the some Big East years over the past decade. Even then, the bottom had some fish whereas the B1G has only Nebraska and PSU as total crap. That said, the conference will invariably judged on whether they win the national title. Number of Sweet 16s and Final Fours won't cut it.
Got my tickets in the mail today for the rounds formerly known as the 1st and 2nd rounds of the NCAA tourney... Woo Hoo! Gonna be a heck of a vacation... Go from Spring Training in Tampa to the Tourney in Philly. Can't Wait!! :happy:
Quote from: Ruckus on Feb 15, 2013, 12:04 AM
Has it gotten to the point where it's not even worth discussing the B1G until conference tourney time. I can't remember the last time a conference was this good top to bottom outside of the some Big East years over the past decade. Even then, the bottom had some fish whereas the B1G has only Nebraska and PSU as total crap. That said, the conference will invariably judged on whether they win the national title. Number of Sweet 16s and Final Fours won't cut it.
I've been thinking the same thing. Michigan just finished a fucking brutal 4 game stretch playing 4 games in 10 days. All 4 games were against top 20 opponents. Three of the four were against top 10 opponents at the time they played and 3 of the 4 games were on the road?! There isn't another conference in the country where you could go two weeks worth of games and not get a breather...
Thankfully Michigan has a bit of a breather as they now only have to play 3 games in the next 15 days with two of those games being against lowly PSU. Hopefully they can regroup after this brutal stretch and prepare for the end of the regular season when they host IU and MooU...
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Feb 15, 2013, 08:15 PM
Quote from: Ruckus on Feb 15, 2013, 12:04 AM
Has it gotten to the point where it's not even worth discussing the B1G until conference tourney time. I can't remember the last time a conference was this good top to bottom outside of the some Big East years over the past decade. Even then, the bottom had some fish whereas the B1G has only Nebraska and PSU as total crap. That said, the conference will invariably judged on whether they win the national title. Number of Sweet 16s and Final Fours won't cut it.
I've been thinking the same thing. Michigan just finished a fucking brutal 4 game stretch playing 4 games in 10 days. All 4 games were against top 20 opponents. Three of the four were against top 10 opponents at the time they played and 3 of the 4 games were on the road?! There isn't another conference in the country where you could go two weeks worth of games and not get a breather...
Thankfully Michigan has a bit of a breather as they now only have to play 3 games in the next 15 days with two of those games being against lowly PSU. Hopefully they can regroup after this brutal stretch and prepare for the end of the regular season when they host IU and MooU...
You got us in Ann Arbor as well right?
Quote from: Ruckus on Feb 16, 2013, 01:08 AM
You got us in Ann Arbor as well right?
Yeah. Illi at home is sandwiched between the two PSU games. I just don't consider your Illini as much as a gimme as I do the games with PSU even if it is in the friendly confines of the Crisler Center. :beer:
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Feb 16, 2013, 10:50 AM
Quote from: Ruckus on Feb 16, 2013, 01:08 AM
You got us in Ann Arbor as well right?
Yeah. Illi at home is sandwiched between the two PSU games. I just don't consider your Illini as much as a gimme as I do the games with PSU even if it is in the friendly confines of the Crisler Center. :beer:
After the beatdown you gave us in Champaign, I feel we'll put up a better fight in that one. I've learned not to get too up or down on this team.
I have a feeling PSU is in for a world of hurt tomorrow with Michigan coming off of that embarrassing performance at MooU last Tuesday...
The best basketball is being played in the Big Ten; you guys ought to check it out.
Great (and funniest ever) pic from tonights win. If I was that guy I'd get it blown up to cover an entire wall in my basement.
Finally a signature win.
Pretty sure this guy is not on the team
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The Hoosiers win and Jim was absolutely electric in Brooklyn! Who said that Tuesdays weren't the best night of the week!?
Congrats yy, wonderfulman, and BH! Huge wins!
not that I give a poop
I gotta say the MSU crowd was rockin. How was the Illinois win not a signature win BH?
Quote from: Ruckus on Feb 20, 2013, 09:28 AM
Congrats yy, wonderfulman, and BH! Huge wins!
not that I give a poop
I gotta say the MSU crowd was rockin. How was the Illinois win not a signature win BH?
Yes, I kind of forgot about that one! That will look better on the resume if you guys keep winning.
Quote from: Ruckus on Feb 20, 2013, 09:28 AM
Congrats yy, wonderfulman, and BH! Huge wins!
I gotta say the MSU crowd was rockin.
Great W for IU in the Izzone!, now on to the Barn!
I actually talked to Oladipo this morning on his way to class - Yes, UK he actually goes to class.
He said he had 3 this morning. What a cool cat. :thumbsup:
I love Jim Boeheim
Coach Jim Boeheim calls ESPN reporter Andy Katz an "Idiot". (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj8TUbJIASM#ws)
I've watched this a few times, but I can't tell what Katz is asking, and did he do something earlier to piss Boeheim off?
Quote from: Crispy on Feb 21, 2013, 12:04 PM
I've watched this a few times, but I can't tell what Katz is asking, and did he do something earlier to piss Boeheim off?
Its something that happened in November
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8949672/syracuse-orange-coach-jim-boeheim-says-comments-andy-katz-stem-2011-interview (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8949672/syracuse-orange-coach-jim-boeheim-says-comments-andy-katz-stem-2011-interview)
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Feb 21, 2013, 12:28 PM
Quote from: Crispy on Feb 21, 2013, 12:04 PM
I've watched this a few times, but I can't tell what Katz is asking, and did he do something earlier to piss Boeheim off?
Its something that happened in November
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8949672/syracuse-orange-coach-jim-boeheim-says-comments-andy-katz-stem-2011-interview (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8949672/syracuse-orange-coach-jim-boeheim-says-comments-andy-katz-stem-2011-interview)
Couple o' things. I'm not a fan of Andy Katz but I think this is a very one sided story because ESPN is staying mum.
Boeheim betrayed his player's confidence in confiding in Katz "Off the Record." It's easy for Boeheim to grandstand at a press conference with the leverage to show his "loyalty" to his players and to show potential recruits that he stands behind his players. What he did was sell out his own player then resort to this petulance and ego where he knew Katz was in no position to defend himself. I don't know the real story but Boeheim should not come out of this viewed as some protector of student athletes.
Sunday at 1 ILB!
Quote from: Ruckus on Feb 23, 2013, 02:01 AM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Feb 21, 2013, 12:28 PM
Quote from: Crispy on Feb 21, 2013, 12:04 PM
I've watched this a few times, but I can't tell what Katz is asking, and did he do something earlier to piss Boeheim off?
Its something that happened in November
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8949672/syracuse-orange-coach-jim-boeheim-says-comments-andy-katz-stem-2011-interview (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8949672/syracuse-orange-coach-jim-boeheim-says-comments-andy-katz-stem-2011-interview)
Couple o' things. I'm not a fan of Andy Katz but I think this is a very one sided story because ESPN is staying mum.
Boeheim betrayed his player's confidence in confiding in Katz "Off the Record." It's easy for Boeheim to grandstand at a press conference with the leverage to show his "loyalty" to his players and to show potential recruits that he stands behind his players. What he did was sell out his own player then resort to this petulance and ego where he knew Katz was in no position to defend himself. I don't know the real story but Boeheim should not come out of this viewed as some protector of student athletes.
:grin: :grin:
Man, when this story first broke, I heard that it was about Boeheim disclosing the reasons for the ineligibility of one of his players. My mistake, though that makes more sense than the Bernie Fine thing. Katz may have been overly persistent but it is not up to the interviewee to dictate the terms of an interview. Boeheim could have just walked away instead of holding a grudge for a year and a half then act like a petulant bitch.
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Feb 23, 2013, 04:43 PM
Quote from: Ruckus on Feb 23, 2013, 02:14 AM
Sunday at 1 ILB!
Yep. :thumbsup: :beer:
Pete Weber throws a strike and does a couple of crotch chops (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD2T4INGuY4#)
I have never gotten sick of Dickie V ever, until tonight during the KY /Mizzou game and I got sick of him talking. Good God I have tolerated his love of the dookies, but he was pulling fur KY so hard and worshipping coach cal it just got to me. Plus, he said the word popcorn about 15x in a 30 second span and I thought I was going to lose my ever loving fucking mind
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Feb 24, 2013, 02:33 AM
I have never gotten sick of Dickie V ever, until tonight during the KY /Mizzou game and I got sick of him talking. Good God I have tolerated his love of the dookies, but he was pulling fur KY so hard and worshipping coach cal it just got to me. Plus, he said the word popcorn about 15x in a 30 second span and I thought I was going to lose my ever loving fucking mind
Oh lord I'm so happy you said that. I wondered if it was just me being a homer but it felt like he was doing a Kentucky radio broadcast. WTF? I'm not violent but I wanted to punch him.
Well Ruckus, I have to say I was nervous about this game coming in. And then, seeing Illinois' hot start didn't subdue my nerves any. Michigan came out in another gear in the 2nd half and really put the Illini away in the final 10 minutes of the game.
Now I have to actually hope OSU beats Sparty... :rolleyes:
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Feb 24, 2013, 04:21 PM
Well Ruckus, I have to say I was nervous about this game coming in. And then, seeing Illinois' hot start didn't subdue my nerves any. Michigan came out in another gear in the 2nd half and really put the Illini away in the final 10 minutes of the game.
Man you guys bring out the worst in us. I'm glad we got stomped in the second half. It's frustrating to watch our two senior leader guards (Richardson and Paul) just not show up with any hustle or energy. The thing is you guys didn't play all that well either but we had some consistent problems with two of your offensive sets in the second half while we were just awful offensively.
Dan Dakich is unlistenable btw. I wanted to throw things at the tv. Didn't think I could miss my BTN coverage so much. Good luck to you guys. I'm not too concerned about our tourney chances anymore but would be nice to have a good showing in the conference.
Andrew Wiggins won the Naismith Award as the top high school b-baller in the US. First time ever for a Canadian. He's the brightest prospect since LeBron. Look for him to choose either Kentucky or Florida State for next year (he'll go No. 1 in 2014).
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/basketball/nba/story/2013/02/25/sp-nba-basketball-andrew-wiggins-wins-naismith-award.html (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/basketball/nba/story/2013/02/25/sp-nba-basketball-andrew-wiggins-wins-naismith-award.html)
Quote from: Ruckus on Feb 25, 2013, 05:30 PM
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Feb 24, 2013, 04:21 PM
Well Ruckus, I have to say I was nervous about this game coming in. And then, seeing Illinois' hot start didn't subdue my nerves any. Michigan came out in another gear in the 2nd half and really put the Illini away in the final 10 minutes of the game.
Man you guys bring out the worst in us. I'm glad we got stomped in the second half. It's frustrating to watch our two senior leader guards (Richardson and Paul) just not show up with any hustle or energy. The thing is you guys didn't play all that well either but we had some consistent problems with two of your offensive sets in the second half while we were just awful offensively.
Dan Dakich is unlistenable btw. I wanted to throw things at the tv. Didn't think I could miss my BTN coverage so much. Good luck to you guys. I'm not too concerned about our tourney chances anymore but would be nice to have a good showing in the conference.
Good to know its not just me who can't stand Dakich. His power rankings are an absolute joke.
Michigan certainly wasn't at its best, but I thought defenively, save the first 10 minutes or so, was the best I've seen Michigan play in a while...
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Feb 26, 2013, 09:19 AM
Quote from: Ruckus on Feb 25, 2013, 05:30 PM
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Feb 24, 2013, 04:21 PM
Well Ruckus, I have to say I was nervous about this game coming in. And then, seeing Illinois' hot start didn't subdue my nerves any. Michigan came out in another gear in the 2nd half and really put the Illini away in the final 10 minutes of the game.
Man you guys bring out the worst in us. I'm glad we got stomped in the second half. It's frustrating to watch our two senior leader guards (Richardson and Paul) just not show up with any hustle or energy. The thing is you guys didn't play all that well either but we had some consistent problems with two of your offensive sets in the second half while we were just awful offensively.
Dan Dakich is unlistenable btw. I wanted to throw things at the tv. Didn't think I could miss my BTN coverage so much. Good luck to you guys. I'm not too concerned about our tourney chances anymore but would be nice to have a good showing in the conference.
Good to know its not just me who can't stand Dakich. His power rankings are an absolute joke.
Michigan certainly wasn't at its best, but I thought defenively, save the first 10 minutes or so, was the best I've seen Michigan play in a while...
That's a good point. You guys really bothered us with your half court trapping and took us out of our offensive rhythm.
What's happened to Stauskas. He seemed to be a bigger part of your offense earlier in the season no?
Quote from: Ruckus on Feb 26, 2013, 09:51 PM
What's happened to Stauskas. He seemed to be a bigger part of your offense earlier in the season no?
I think it's a combo of him maybe hitting a wall as a freshman, and even more a result of facing you're defenses in the conference portion of the schedule. He was on fire in non conference action shooting close to 60% from deep. But he's only shooting 35% in conference play.
Oh, and thank you to IU for keeping the conference championship race open... :beer:
Did anyone watche the KU Iowa State game? What a joke.
Side bar: I think the "home court" calls in college basketball is geting out of hand. It's tough enough to play on the road, but these refs have NO BALLS when it comes to making a call against the home crowd, ESPECIALLY in the last few minutes of the game. I think it's a joke. Please discuss, back on slightly related topic:
The reason for the side bar, is that it seemed the entire game, Kansas was getting the home court calls but they were playing at Hilton Coliseum! It's like the Big 12 decided they wanted KU to keep a number one seed in the tourny. WTF? The NCAA came out with a statement, but tell that to this kid:
Iowa State kid cries after another loss (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTTemuhKFIc#ws)
Worst officiated game of the year.
Quote from: BH on Feb 27, 2013, 10:45 AM
Did anyone watche the KU Iowa State game? What a joke.
Side bar: I think the "home court" calls in college basketball is geting out of hand. It's tough enough to play on the road, but these refs have NO BALLS when it comes to making a call against the home crowd, ESPECIALLY in the last few minutes of the game. I think it's a joke. Please discuss, back on slightly related topic:
The reason for the side bar, is that it seemed the entire game, Kansas was getting the home court calls but they were playing at Hilton Coliseum! It's like the Big 12 decided they wanted KU to keep a number one seed in the tourny. WTF? The NCAA came out with a statement, but tell that to this kid:
Iowa State kid cries after another loss (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTTemuhKFIc#ws)
Worst officiated game of the year.
This happened in Stillwater, too. It was like the refs thought they were in Lawrence!
Quote from: Crispy on Feb 27, 2013, 10:54 AM
Quote from: BH on Feb 27, 2013, 10:45 AM
Did anyone watche the KU Iowa State game? What a joke.
Side bar: I think the "home court" calls in college basketball is geting out of hand. It's tough enough to play on the road, but these refs have NO BALLS when it comes to making a call against the home crowd, ESPECIALLY in the last few minutes of the game. I think it's a joke. Please discuss, back on slightly related topic:
The reason for the side bar, is that it seemed the entire game, Kansas was getting the home court calls but they were playing at Hilton Coliseum! It's like the Big 12 decided they wanted KU to keep a number one seed in the tourny. WTF? The NCAA came out with a statement, but tell that to this kid:
Iowa State kid cries after another loss (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTTemuhKFIc#ws)
Worst officiated game of the year.
This happened in Stillwater, too. It was like the refs thought they were in Lawrence!
As you can see Crispy, I'm having a hard time weening myself away from the Big 12. I'll get there eventually but these things just don't happen overnight. My two favorite teams are still Mizzou and whoever is playing Kansas.
So Gonzaga may very well be #1 come next week. I havent seen them play this year, are they actually legit?!
Quote from: BH on Feb 27, 2013, 11:40 AM
Quote from: Crispy on Feb 27, 2013, 10:54 AM
Quote from: BH on Feb 27, 2013, 10:45 AM
Did anyone watche the KU Iowa State game? What a joke.
Side bar: I think the "home court" calls in college basketball is geting out of hand. It's tough enough to play on the road, but these refs have NO BALLS when it comes to making a call against the home crowd, ESPECIALLY in the last few minutes of the game. I think it's a joke. Please discuss, back on slightly related topic:
The reason for the side bar, is that it seemed the entire game, Kansas was getting the home court calls but they were playing at Hilton Coliseum! It's like the Big 12 decided they wanted KU to keep a number one seed in the tourny. WTF? The NCAA came out with a statement, but tell that to this kid:
Iowa State kid cries after another loss (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTTemuhKFIc#ws)
Worst officiated game of the year.
This happened in Stillwater, too. It was like the refs thought they were in Lawrence!
As you can see Crispy, I'm having a hard time weening myself away from the Big 12. I'll get there eventually but these things just don't happen overnight. My two favorite teams are still Mizzou and whoever is playing Kansas.
Here's the bullshit no call. That's a CHARGE, and even if you are Homer Jayhawkref, it's a BLOCK. But no call in the final seconds? Then ISU called for the foul in the loose ball scramble? Bullshit. I knew right then and there that KU was going to get the help they needed to win.
CFTV: No call between Georges Niang and Elijah Johnson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWkLlGjNNO0#ws)
Quote from: capt. scotty on Feb 27, 2013, 12:12 PM
So Gonzaga may very well be #1 come next week. I havent seen them play this year, are they actually legit?!
They're a good team, but I don't think they are #1 good. I'd love to see what their record would be in a REAL conference. Hell, Illinois is in the middle of the pack in the B1G and the Illini beat them on their home floor!
A team with a SOS out of the top 50 should not be a #1 seed in the NCAA Tournament...
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Feb 27, 2013, 12:45 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Feb 27, 2013, 12:12 PM
So Gonzaga may very well be #1 come next week. I havent seen them play this year, are they actually legit?!
They're a good team, but I don't think they are #1 good. I'd love to see what their record would be in a REAL conference. Hell, Illinois is in the middle of the pack in the B1G and the Illini beat them on their home floor!
A team with a SOS out of the top 50 should not be a #1 seed in the NCAA Tournament...
I think they are very good to great. They have legitimate skilled size in Olynyk, Harris can do it all, and Pangos has unlimited range. We played exceptionally well that game to pull it off in Spokane. That Olynyck can really play! However I do agree that their overall resume is very underwhelming. Hopefully some more teams will be willing to schedule the Zags. No one wants to travel there in non conference so its tough to blame them.
Every top team has a loss against a middle of the pack conference team but you're right that the home loss was big.
Obnoxious fact of the day. The only two teams in the country to beat both the current #1 and #2 are Butler and Illinois. Illinois also beat Butler on a neutral floor by 16.
Quote from: Ruckus on Feb 27, 2013, 02:25 PM
Every top team has a loss against a middle of the pack conference team but you're right that the home loss was big.
I wouldn't consider any of Michigan's losses to be against a middle of the pack conference teams. All 4 of Michigan's losses are to teams currently ranked in the top 17 in the nation with 2 of their 4 losses to top 10 teams. And all of their losses were on the road. I don't think another team in the country can boast that kind of resume from a quality of losses standpoint...
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Feb 27, 2013, 05:59 PM
Quote from: Ruckus on Feb 27, 2013, 02:25 PM
Every top team has a loss against a middle of the pack conference team but you're right that the home loss was big.
I wouldn't consider any of Michigan's losses to be against a middle of the pack conference teams. All 4 of Michigan's losses are to teams currently ranked in the top 17 in the nation with 2 of their 4 losses to top 10 teams. And all of their losses were on the road. I don't think another team in the country can boast that kind of resume from a quality of losses standpoint...
Looks like someone spoke too soon.
Not like I care about PSU basketball because somehow we suck in this sport but so glad it was Michigan. It would put a smile on my face if we lose every other BIG 10 game and the only win is Michigan. I hope it drops them to a 3 seed or something!
:grin: :grin: :grin:
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Feb 27, 2013, 05:59 PM
Quote from: Ruckus on Feb 27, 2013, 02:25 PM
Every top team has a loss against a middle of the pack conference team but you're right that the home loss was big.
I wouldn't consider any of Michigan's losses to be against a middle of the pack conference teams. All 4 of Michigan's losses are to teams currently ranked in the top 17 in the nation with 2 of their 4 losses to top 10 teams. And all of their losses were on the road. I don't think another team in the country can boast that kind of resume from a quality of losses standpoint...
PETE WEBER SUCK IT CROTCH CHOP PIMP WALK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry-_ba58moY#)
Quote from: BH on Feb 27, 2013, 08:41 PM
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Feb 27, 2013, 05:59 PM
Quote from: Ruckus on Feb 27, 2013, 02:25 PM
Every top team has a loss against a middle of the pack conference team but you're right that the home loss was big.
I wouldn't consider any of Michigan's losses to be against a middle of the pack conference teams. All 4 of Michigan's losses are to teams currently ranked in the top 17 in the nation with 2 of their 4 losses to top 10 teams. And all of their losses were on the road. I don't think another team in the country can boast that kind of resume from a quality of losses standpoint...
Looks like someone spoke too soon.
As I'm removing my foot from my mouth today, I thought I would help myself to a healthy portion of:
(http://thinkingrightblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/eating-crow.jpg)
Heard it tastes like chicken???
Damn does that piss me off?! IU puts the B1G championship back on the table and Michigan goes and blows a 15 point lead with 8 minutes to go in the game? They don't deserve a #1 seed at this point if you ask me... :angry:
Well done iLB
PSU has played hard all season and I felt they would get a W at some
Point. After playing UM tough at AA last week , last nites result didn't surprise me much.
Well, it isn't quite March yet, but this week has been nothing short of madness wrt top ranked teams in the country. Duke fell tonight to UVA to add to the carnage of the week.
So far this week the casualties include #1 IU, #3 Duke, #4 Michigan and #8 UF. And #6 KU was the beneficiary of a bs non-charging call from joining that list.
Gonzaga is on the road tonight as I type this post at BYU and I'm not staying up to watch it, but it's only a 2 point game as I type this so who knows if Gonzaga will add to the carnage come March 1st... :cheesy:
I think I might just ask my 3 girls (9 year old twins and a 7 year old) to help me fill out my brackets this year or I might just go with the old staple of flipping a coin which might not be a bad option either... :beer:
I'm looking for IU to bounce back at home tonite after Tuesdays asswhuppin at the Barn. Zeller , in particular , has had big games after each L this season.
Will be rooting for UM tomorrow vs. Sparty, then for Sparty next week vs. UW and for whoever is playing Purdouche.
Let the Madness begin! :beer:
Edit - Crap!, I see Purdouche is playing UW tomorrow.......all I can say is I'm not rooting for the Badgers.
God, I love beating Texas. I want to have a game of Spades with Rick Barnes and Mack Brown and beat their ass in that. Who's my partner?
Quote from: Crispy on Mar 02, 2013, 08:51 PM
God, I love beating Texas. I want to have a game of Spades with Rick Barnes and Mack Brown and beat their ass in that. Who's my partner?
(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l543/hercampusphoto/Her%20Campus%20Mizzou/LARGE-Hands.jpg)
So Indiana being a 1 seed has to be in question now, right? I think a win @ Michigan this weekend would go a long way in them staying there, but a week ago they were considered overall #1. Im not even sure Id make them a 1 seed at this point.
Depending on how the rest of the season and conference tournaments go, I think any team in the Top 8 (Zags, Indiana, Duke, Michigan, Kansas, Hoyas, LVille, Miami) has the opportunity to still be a 1 seed, or lose that chance. Maybe they even consider Sparty if they win out. Right now, Id probably go with Zags, Duke with a healthy Kelly, Kansas, and Wolverines.
I did see the 2nd half of the Zags-BYU game last week. Im not sure what to make of them. Olynyk is quite impressive and a defensive challenge, I remember Harris being their star in previous years so their frontcourt and rebounding is probably a plus for them vs most teams. I know their shooting was uncharacteristically bad that night, but Im not sold on their guards overall. They are certainly deserving of a 1 seed based on resume though.
Hard to believe today pretty much ends an exiting regular season of NCAA BB (especially in B1G country).
Another fun Saturday full of buzzer beaters and ranked teams going down.
Somethings gotta give today in Ann Arbor. UM hasn't lost at home all season & IU hasn't lost back-to-back games all season.
Hoping for Zeller & Oladipo, among others, to be at their seasons' best and bring home IUs' 1st outright B1G title in 20 years! To do so they need to limit turnovers & get to the FT line.
I like that they have several players to try to contain Burke - Ferrell will start out on him and Oladipo, Sheehey & Abell will get their chances too.
If they let him get into the lane, and/or allow him to pass the rock to open spot-up shooters, getting a W will be difficult.
GO BIG RED :beer:
Hey YimYod, your welcome... :rolleyes:
Oh, and congrats on the outright B1G Title, but someone needs to teach your coach how to win with class:
http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1481914&PT=4&PR=2 (http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1481914&PT=4&PR=2)
Stay classy Crean... :rolleyes:
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Mar 11, 2013, 09:08 AM
Hey YimYod, your welcome... :rolleyes:
Oh, and congrats on the outright B1G Title, but someone needs to teach your coach how to win with class:
http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1481914&PT=4&PR=2 (http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1481914&PT=4&PR=2)
Stay classy Crean... :rolleyes:
I saw the whole Crean thing and think he's pretty stupid. Instead of talking trash to Jeff Meyer, he should be thanking him. If Sampson was never fired, Crean would have never gotten that job.
The one article that was brought to my attention is this one. Not quite sure I understand this policy, but please read away.
http://www.insidethehall.com/2013/03/10/iu-student-told-to-wear-michigan-shirt-or-leave/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+insidethehall+%28Inside+the+Hall+%7C+An+Indiana+Hoosiers+basketball+blog%29 (http://www.insidethehall.com/2013/03/10/iu-student-told-to-wear-michigan-shirt-or-leave/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+insidethehall+%28Inside+the+Hall+%7C+An+Indiana+Hoosiers+basketball+blog%29)
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Mar 11, 2013, 09:08 AM
Hey YimYod, your welcome... :rolleyes:
Oh, and congrats on the outright B1G Title, but someone needs to teach your coach how to win with class.
iLB, :beer:
In addition to your plate of crow, seems like you've also consumed a big bowl of
sour grapes. :drum:
I'm welcome? You should be thanking the refs for the game even being close at the end.
9 FT attempts for IU? What a joke. :grin:
Don't :cry: about the last possession either. IU missed 13 shots at the rim in addition to 4 missed tip-ins thru out the game(40 minutes, not 39:08).
IU also missed the front end of 3 one&ones.
I figured the end of game pressure might get to the inexperienced Robinson, Hardaway Jr.s' miss was expected given his history in big games and Burke may just have been worn down from a games worth of Oladipo & company.
And to add to my pre-game post listing Hoosier defenders on Burke....Zeller can guard him too. :thumbsup: Pretty weak attempt in the lane at the end.
Tell your coach that the little painted blocks at the edge of the lane are for his players to line up for rebounds, especially for a team that has missed 30% of FTs for the season. :rolleyes:
Good luck vs. PSU :cheesy: :tongue:
Quote from: YimYodd on Mar 13, 2013, 07:21 PM
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Mar 11, 2013, 09:08 AM
Hey YimYod, your welcome... :rolleyes:
Oh, and congrats on the outright B1G Title, but someone needs to teach your coach how to win with class.
iLB, :beer:
In addition to your plate of crow, seems like you've also consumed a big bowl of sour grapes. :drum:
I'm welcome? You should be thanking the refs for the game even being close at the end.
9 FT attempts for IU? What a joke. :grin:
Don't :cry: about the last possession either. IU missed 13 shots at the rim in addition to 4 missed tip-ins thru out the game(40 minutes, not 39:08).
IU also missed the front end of 3 one&ones.
I figured the end of game pressure might get to the inexperienced Robinson, Hardaway Jr.s' miss was expected given his history in big games and Burke may just have been worn down from a games worth of Oladipo & company.
And to add to my pre-game post listing Hoosier defenders on Burke....Zeller can guard him too. :thumbsup: Pretty weak attempt in the lane at the end.
Tell your coach that the little painted blocks at the edge of the lane are for his players to line up for rebounds, especially for a team that has missed 30% of FTs for the season. :rolleyes:
Good luck vs. PSU :cheesy: :tongue:
Sour grapes? Hardly... Michigan gave that game away by blowing a 6 point lead in the last minute because they couldn't make ft's. If that's sour grapes, I guess I'm guilty? (http://media.scout.com/media/forums/emoticons/noidea.gif)
And you're complaing about the officiating? Did you not win the game? We had 13 ft attempts (with 4 coming in the final minute) so its not like there was some HUGE discrepancy there. Hell, we weren't even in the bonus late in the 2nd half as your team had to foul multiple times just to get us into the bonus. This is what you get in a physical conference like the B1G...
Oh, and we should be thanking the refs? LOL. Guess you missed the no call on the blatant intentional foul Watford committed on Robinson's uncontested layup??? Even your own IU honk Dan Dakic tweeted during the game that was a bad no call! Btw, does Zeller or Crean teach acting classes because that flop he made was award worthy. Mabye this is what Zeller was truly going for?
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8095/8550656252_b7240965cd_o.gif)
And what, no comments on your coach's classless behavior after the game? Although its not all that surprising that a guy who has a hard time losing with class also has a hard time winning with class. :rolleyes:
Louisville is looking mighty tough. If they play like they did last night vs Nova, they're going to be awfully tough to beat, IMO. They certainly looked like a #1 seed, and with the experience of last year, I'm liking their chances to cut down the nets in Atlanta.
Of course it's pretty wide open this year, and any number of teams could take it all, but Pittino and the Cardinals are my pick right now.
Quote from: ericm on Mar 15, 2013, 05:19 PM
Louisville is looking mighty tough. If they play like they did last night vs Nova, they're going to be awfully tough to beat, IMO. They certainly looked like a #1 seed, and with the experience of last year, I'm liking their chances to cut down the nets in Atlanta.
Of course it's pretty wide open this year, and any number of teams could take it all, but Pittino and the Cardinals are my pick right now.
I think the Big Easy is sort of down this year. Wouldnt be surprised if they have no teams still in it past the Sweet 16.
Michigan lost today. Theyre 9-7 in their last 16. Love Burke, but sounds like a 3 seed to me
Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 15, 2013, 08:06 PM
Quote from: ericm on Mar 15, 2013, 05:19 PM
Louisville is looking mighty tough. If they play like they did last night vs Nova, they're going to be awfully tough to beat, IMO. They certainly looked like a #1 seed, and with the experience of last year, I'm liking their chances to cut down the nets in Atlanta.
Of course it's pretty wide open this year, and any number of teams could take it all, but Pittino and the Cardinals are my pick right now.
I think the Big Easy is sort of down this year. Wouldnt be surprised if they have no teams still in it past the Sweet 16.
Michigan lost today. Theyre 9-7 in their last 16. Love Burke, but sounds like a 3 seed to me
Maybe as far as the depth in the league goes, but their top 3 in L'Ville, G-Town, and Syracuse could all make some noise,IMO. I'd be surprised if at least one of these three aren't in a regional final at the least, and real surprised if L'Ville doesn't go further than that.
Quote from: ericm on Mar 15, 2013, 08:12 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 15, 2013, 08:06 PM
Quote from: ericm on Mar 15, 2013, 05:19 PM
Louisville is looking mighty tough. If they play like they did last night vs Nova, they're going to be awfully tough to beat, IMO. They certainly looked like a #1 seed, and with the experience of last year, I'm liking their chances to cut down the nets in Atlanta.
Of course it's pretty wide open this year, and any number of teams could take it all, but Pittino and the Cardinals are my pick right now.
I think the Big Easy is sort of down this year. Wouldnt be surprised if they have no teams still in it past the Sweet 16.
Michigan lost today. Theyre 9-7 in their last 16. Love Burke, but sounds like a 3 seed to me
Maybe as far as the depth in the league goes, but their top 3 in L'Ville, G-Town, and Syracuse could all make some noise,IMO. I'd be surprised if at least one of these three aren't in a regional final at the least, and real surprised if L'Ville doesn't go further than that.
Based on their talent, Cuse have really underachieved this year (pretty sure they werent the 3 seed either, right?!). Bad time to say it with them going to the conference championship game, but they have. Could be good news for their tourney chances though. I think what they do totally depends on Triche and MC-W going forward.
The Ville and Hoyas are good to very good, which is good enough to win this year. I love Otto, but GTown is so reliant on him, mostly due to necessity, its really hard to say how far they can go. Might be matchup dependent. Rivera-Smith should be getting more looks. I like the Cards, but Siva almost looks like he lost a step, Smith is schizophrenic, and after that ???
Like I said, wouldnt be surprised if the Big East has no teams in the E8 this year. I also wouldnt be surprised if LVille or GTown get there. If another team does, like Cuse, Pitt, ND, I will call you sir.
Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 15, 2013, 08:06 PM
Michigan lost today. Theyre 9-7 in their last 16. Love Burke, but sounds like a 3 seed to me
I'm in agreement with Michigan being a 3 seed. They have them being shipped out west which I'm not thrilled about. The Wolverines have no inside presence with the exception of McGary and he's only a true freshman who still makes a lot of freshman mistakes. I was hoping Jordan Morgan would step up and take the next step in his development as a post player this year, but I think he's actually regressed this year?! As of now, he's being outplayed by both McGary and Horford inside. Maybe Michigan facing some non-B1G opponents will do them good come tournament time. One thing for sure, any B1G team in the field will certainly be battle tested come tournament time.
Louisville is looking good, but like Scotty said, I'm not sure what to make of the Big East. Syracuse is totally wasting talent. G'town was on a roll, but again, it was against Big East competition so how good are they? I say if the Cards win the Big East Tourney and they're a one seed though. Especially with Duke losing to Maryland yesterday. I'm actually wondering who really wants to be a one seed? Seems like we've seen a revolving door on Lunardi's ever changing bracket predictions?! :cheesy:
As much as I hate to say it, I think a team to look out for is OSU. They have been playing lights out lately including a win in Bloomington over IU. They seem to be peaking at the right time, but can they get over the hump and win the big one for Matta in the Big Dance?
Syracuse underachievers? Any longtime Orange fan will tell you this is absolutely true. In fact, the Orangemen are one the biggest underachievers/chokers in modern NCAA history (save for one year). I've suffered greatly (doesn't help that I'm also a Toronto Raptors fan).
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I honestly think the most deserving of #1 seeds would be Zags, Ville, Kansas, Miami, but Indiana is seemingly a lock according to the "experts" so I guess someone is gonna get screwed. Really Zags should probably be a #2, but I dont think the Top 25 #1 has ever not got a #1 seed, plus they make sense to be the #1 in the west.
If the Dookies get a #1 I think ever Bilas would damn the committee.
Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 17, 2013, 03:57 PM
I honestly think the most deserving of #1 seeds would be Zags, Ville, Kansas, Miami, but Indiana is seemingly a lock according to the "experts" so I guess someone is gonna get screwed. Really Zags should probably be a #2, but I dont think the Top 25 #1 has ever not got a #1 seed, plus they make sense to be the #1 in the west.
If the Dookies get a #1 I think ever Bilas would damn the committee.
I see no way Duke gets a #1. Right now, I see 5 teams battling for 4 spots. Personally, I think Miami should be the odd team out. I don't care if they won the regular season and tournament championship in the ACC, the ACC was way down this year. IU won an outright B1G championship and the B1G is hands down the toughest conference in the country. That should be enough to put IU over Miami as a #1 seed.
So what's the consensus on the toughest regions? I think the East, and South are the deepest, with the West the weakest.
I'm liking the way the Midwest has taken shape for L'Ville. Anything can happen, but I don't see anyone there giving them much trouble before the Regional Final.
Quote from: ericm on Mar 17, 2013, 07:24 PM
So what's the consensus on the toughest regions? I think the East, and South are the deepest, with the West the weakest.
I'm liking the way the Midwest has taken shape for L'Ville. Anything can happen, but I don't see anyone there giving them much trouble before the Regional Final.
I think the South is far and away the toughest. Kansas, Georgetown, Florida and Michigan were all talked about as being 1 seeds at some point in the season. No other reagion can make that claim among their top 4 seeds. I'd put the Midwest as 2nd toughest with Louisville, Duke, MooU and SLU. The East is 3rd and has IU, Miami, Marquette (3 seed... Really???) and Syracuse. And the West if by far the weakest with Gonzaga, OSU, UNM and KSU? Talk about an easy path for the Buckeyes to get to Atlanta... :rolleyes:
Don't really care about college hoops, but came across this bracket in PDF (http://www.mediafire.com/view/?906bv6lrwnxcnt9) for anyone who IS interested.
Marquette as a 3 was my biggest head-scratcher. I dont jerk off to NCAA bball like most of these guys, buy that was surprising.
You've gotta be kidding me with Indiana as a 1 seed. They lost like five times this year as a number one ranked team and didn't even win their conference tournament. I can't wait to see them lose again. Miami is gonna do some damage though, good shot at the elite eight.
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Mar 17, 2013, 10:03 PM
You've gotta be kidding me with Indiana as a 1 seed. They lost like five times this year as a number one ranked team and didn't even win their conference tournament. I can't wait to see them lose again. Miami is gonna do some damage though, good shot at the elite eight.
Im perfectly fine with IU as a 1, someone from the Big 10 had to be really.
I'll be honest though, I didn't keep up with this season anywhere close to previous years. I'm actually a little hesitant on filling out a bracket, but it seemed like everytime I turned on ESPN, Indiana had been upset again.
Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Mar 17, 2013, 10:07 PM
I'll be honest though, I didn't keep up with this season anywhere close to previous years. I'm actually a little hesitant on filling out a bracket, but it seemed like everytime I turned on ESPN, Indiana had been upset again.
They have as many losses as anyone besides the Zags basically, and they played in the B1G. Hoosiers earned it.
Should be a craaaazzzzy tourney!
I have no complaints with Illinois' seeding or draw. Seth Greenberg has Colorado beating us and sees them as a threat to make an upset run to the Sweet 16. Not happening.
Good luck Tracy. That Wisconsin/Ole Miss matchup is one of the most intriguing of Round 1. I'll be rooting for ya but I think Wisky will control the pace and frustrate Miss O.
It's odd how the B1G Network has changed the way I watch college bball. I used to be so much more well rounded, catching a good number of games from different conferences a week. Now all I find myself doing is watching B1G games and as result, really have no idea about the rest of teams in the tourney. Definitely a shame but I guess this was a good year to have bball tunnel vision.
Yeah, Id say 80-90% of what I watched this year, which didnt really start until February, was either B1G or Big East. Watching the Big East tourney was sort of sad, its a shame the conference couldnt stay together at least for basketball. Its always been my favorite tourney year in, year out, being at MSG just seemed to put it a step above the rest.
Reading back a page in here, Im surprised to see everyone think the West is the weakest region. Zags are the most unproven if not weakest 1 seed, but I think OSU is the best 2 seed, New Mexico arguably the best 3, and I think K-State and Wisky are definitely the best 4 and 5 seeds (Wisky over Zags looks like the trendy pick). I think the other regions are all pretty even, East the weakest probably because Marquette seems like they were overseeded as a 3, should be more like a 5.
Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 18, 2013, 12:54 PM
Reading back a page in here, Im surprised to see everyone think the West is the weakest region. Zags are the most unproven if not weakest 1 seed, but I think OSU is the best 2 seed, New Mexico arguably the best 3, and I think K-State and Wisky are definitely the best 4 and 5 seeds (Wisky over Zags looks like the trendy pick). I think the other regions are all pretty even, East the weakest probably because Marquette seems like they were overseeded as a 3, should be more like a 5.
I agree with your assessment of Marquette. They have zero key road wins and their only significant non conference win was over Wisky. That said, I guess if you are are co regular season Big East champs, you are gonna get the nod. I haven't seen New Mexico play at all this year but they have been near the top of the RPI all season long. I'll be rooting for KState as a big Bruce Weber fan. I'm so glad he landed on his feet and is having so much success in his first season.
FGCU won the support of everyone in the Wells Fargo arena this past weekend... with the exception of Hoyas and Aztec fans... Their high flying style of play was fun to watch. At first I was a little disappointed that they were the first game Sunday night, but not anymore. Duke might have been the big draw for Philly, but FGCU took the spotlight. Their game against the Hoyas was so exciting I was too drained to stay for the SDSU/OU game, it was a long day of basketball. I'm glad I was able to get tix to these games. Go Eagles!!
Although I was a bit jaded friday as someone who had the Hoyas in the final 4 in a bracket, I have never loved watching a cinderella more than Florida Gulf Coast. So much fun, so easy to root for. Florida has a couple players that Id like to just punch in the face (Wilbekin, Murphy, Rosario), really hope they can pull off another upset. DUNK CITY!!
FGCU Dunk City (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MWGx0x25yo#ws)
Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 18, 2013, 12:54 PM
Reading back a page in here, Im surprised to see everyone think the West is the weakest region. Zags are the most unproven if not weakest 1 seed, but I think OSU is the best 2 seed, New Mexico arguably the best 3, and I think K-State and Wisky are definitely the best 4 and 5 seeds (Wisky over Zags looks like the trendy pick). I think the other regions are all pretty even, East the weakest probably because Marquette seems like they were overseeded as a 3, should be more like a 5.
Scotty, seeing New Mexico, KSU and Wisky lost n the first round and the worst #1 seed in the history of the tournament barely got past Southern and was then exposed in losing in the 2nd round, I think it has now been proven pretty emphatically why the consensus opinion of the west region was by far the weakest region in the tournament.
Quote from: Jeff Murray on Mar 25, 2013, 03:41 PM
FGCU won the support of everyone in the Wells Fargo arena this past weekend... with the exception of Hoyas and Aztec fans... Their high flying style of play was fun to watch. At first I was a little disappointed that they were the first game Sunday night, but not anymore. Duke might have been the big draw for Philly, but FGCU took the spotlight. Their game against the Hoyas was so exciting I was too drained to stay for the SDSU/OU game, it was a long day of basketball. I'm glad I was able to get tix to these games. Go Eagles!!
Nice. There's a life memory for sure!
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Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 18, 2013, 12:54 PM
Reading back a page in here, Im surprised to see everyone think the West is the weakest region. Zags are the most unproven if not weakest 1 seed, but I think OSU is the best 2 seed, New Mexico arguably the best 3, and I think K-State and Wisky are definitely the best 4 and 5 seeds (Wisky over Zags looks like the trendy pick). I think the other regions are all pretty even, East the weakest probably because Marquette seems like they were overseeded as a 3, should be more like a 5.
Scotty, seeing New Mexico, KSU and Wisky lost n the first round and the worst #1 seed in the history of the tournament barely got past Southern and was then exposed in losing in the 2nd round, I think it has now been proven pretty emphatically why the consensus opinion of the west region was by far the weakest region in the tournament.
Yeah, cant argue with that now. I definitely drank the kool-aid on New Mexico. Wisky always underachieves come tourney time it seems, so I wasnt surprised by them losing. K-State losing did surprise me, but LaSalle was red hot in their play-in game and that one as well. I dont think the Zags were exposed at all. Indiana almost lost to a one man Temple team, it can happen. It isnt all that uncommon for a 1 seed to lose in the 2nd round. More importantly I think Wichita St is just a good team. They beat the Zags by shooting 50% from 3 (14/28) and many werent open looks, after shooting 2/20 from 3 against Pitt. Pitt beat Cuse this year, lost to Michigan by 5, lost to Louisville by 3. Their worst loss was 10 to Marquette. Wichita St made them look like they didnt belong in the tourney and beat Pitt by 18.
I just don't understand why ball batted out of bounds play isn't reviewable by rule under two minutes. That has a greater impact on the game than determining a two or a three. The blown call with 30 seconds to go in the Illinois game was brutal. We played well enough despite our shooting struggles but the ball down 2 under 30 seconds is a lot better than the ball down 4 under 30 seconds.
Sour Grapes
Quote from: Ruckus on Mar 27, 2013, 01:50 PM
I just don't understand why ball batted out of bounds play isn't reviewable by rule under two minutes. That has a greater impact on the game than determining a two or a three. The blown call with 30 seconds to go in the Illinois game was brutal. We played well enough despite our shooting struggles but the ball down 2 under 30 seconds is a lot better than the ball down 4 under 30 seconds.
Sour Grapes
No sour grapes at all Ruckus. You have a legit complaint. That was an absolute brutal call to go against you at that point in the game. I totally agree that something like that should definitely be a reviewable play. I mean, to add to your argument about reviewing whether a shot was a 2 or a 3, how many times do the refs stop the damn games already to review whether a foul was flagrant or not and those reviews usually take FOREVER?! Furtermore, even more disappointing than that play not being reviewable is that fact that there are THREE freaking officials on the floor and not ONE of them saw that the ball CLEARLY went off of the Miami player? Complete bullshit if you ask me... :rolleyes:
I was rooting for your Illini in case you couldn't tell as it would have been even sweeter to get 5 B1G teams in the Sweet 16 to shut Charles 'I don't watch any college basketball but I have an opinion that the B1G is overrated' Barkley up even more!
Quote from: Ruckus on Mar 27, 2013, 01:50 PM
I just don't understand why ball batted out of bounds play isn't reviewable by rule under two minutes.
I dont see why it isnt a rule. Any change of possession type play like that under 2 minutes should be reviewable.
I was also surprised to find out Paul isnt projected to be picked in the NBA draft. He looks great, if not the best player on the court, any time Ive seen the Illini play.
Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 27, 2013, 04:31 PM
I was also surprised to find out Paul isnt projected to be picked in the NBA draft. He looks great, if not the best player on the court, any time Ive seen the Illini play.
He's kind of a streaky shooter. When he's on, he's tough to stop, but he can be real off as well. Also, I think his defense is questionalbe, but it's the NBA so does that really matter? :wink: :tongue:
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I was also surprised to find out Paul isnt projected to be picked in the NBA draft. He looks great, if not the best player on the court, any time Ive seen the Illini play.
He's kind of a streaky shooter. When he's on, he's tough to stop, but he can be real off as well. Also, I think his defense is questionalbe, but it's the NBA so does that really matter? :wink: :tongue:
First time to watch Illinois was the Miami game and yeah I would draft that guy.
Also, pumped for these games tonight!
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Mar 27, 2013, 04:30 PM
I was rooting for your Illini in case you couldn't tell as it would have been even sweeter to get 5 B1G teams in the Sweet 16 to shut Charles 'I don't watch any college basketball but I have an opinion that the B1G is overrated' Barkley up even more!
the big 10 is ALWAYS overrated; every year. Always, in everything. They simply don't have the hardware over the past 20 years to back up how "great" they are. But I guess if they keep getting 14 teams in the tourney every year, eventually they'll get a team on a streak and win 1.
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Quote from: iLikeBeer on Mar 27, 2013, 04:30 PM
I was rooting for your Illini in case you couldn't tell as it would have been even sweeter to get 5 B1G teams in the Sweet 16 to shut Charles 'I don't watch any college basketball but I have an opinion that the B1G is overrated' Barkley up even more!
the big 10 is ALWAYS overrated; every year. Always, in everything. They simply don't have the hardware over the past 20 years to back up how "great" they are. But I guess if they keep getting 14 teams in the tourney every year, eventually they'll get a team on a streak and win 1.
They have 4 teams in the Sweet 16. Go back to your SEC shrine asshole.
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I was rooting for your Illini in case you couldn't tell as it would have been even sweeter to get 5 B1G teams in the Sweet 16 to shut Charles 'I don't watch any college basketball but I have an opinion that the B1G is overrated' Barkley up even more!
the big 10 is ALWAYS overrated; every year. Always, in everything. They simply don't have the hardware over the past 20 years to back up how "great" they are. But I guess if they keep getting 14 teams in the tourney every year, eventually they'll get a team on a streak and win 1.
They have 4 teams in the Sweet 16. Go back to your SEC shrine asshole.
Oh, I didn't realize greatness was measured in Sweet 16 appearances. My bad...and to think Ole Miss was just 3 points away from being one of the great teams.
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I was rooting for your Illini in case you couldn't tell as it would have been even sweeter to get 5 B1G teams in the Sweet 16 to shut Charles 'I don't watch any college basketball but I have an opinion that the B1G is overrated' Barkley up even more!
the big 10 is ALWAYS overrated; every year. Always, in everything. They simply don't have the hardware over the past 20 years to back up how "great" they are. But I guess if they keep getting 14 teams in the tourney every year, eventually they'll get a team on a streak and win 1.
They have 4 teams in the Sweet 16. Go back to your SEC shrine asshole.
Oh, I didn't realize greatness was measured in Sweet 16 appearances. My bad...and to think Ole Miss was just 3 points away from being one of the great teams.
3 points from beating La Salle. LA SALLE!! I mean, Florida Dunk Coast might be the equivalent of University of Phoenix, but at least I can find them on a globe, or my GPS :wink:
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I was rooting for your Illini in case you couldn't tell as it would have been even sweeter to get 5 B1G teams in the Sweet 16 to shut Charles 'I don't watch any college basketball but I have an opinion that the B1G is overrated' Barkley up even more!
the big 10 is ALWAYS overrated; every year. Always, in everything. They simply don't have the hardware over the past 20 years to back up how "great" they are. But I guess if they keep getting 14 teams in the tourney every year, eventually they'll get a team on a streak and win 1.
They have 4 teams in the Sweet 16. Go back to your SEC shrine asshole.
Oh, I didn't realize greatness was measured in Sweet 16 appearances. My bad...and to think Ole Miss was just 3 points away from being one of the great teams.
3 points from beating La Salle. LA SALLE!! I mean, Florida Dunk Coast might be the equivalent of University of Phoenix, but at least I can find them on a globe, or my GPS :wink:
Dude, if you were really up on college BBall, you'd know the five teams from Philly are always competitive, and it seems they manage to have one of them go deep pretty often. Nova, Temple, St. Joes, Penn, and LaSalle. There's some helluva comp in that city, and none of them back down from anyone. It just happens to be LaSalle this year. It's no shame for anyone to lose to that team this year,IMO.
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Quote from: iLikeBeer on Mar 27, 2013, 04:30 PM
I was rooting for your Illini in case you couldn't tell as it would have been even sweeter to get 5 B1G teams in the Sweet 16 to shut Charles 'I don't watch any college basketball but I have an opinion that the B1G is overrated' Barkley up even more!
the big 10 is ALWAYS overrated; every year. Always, in everything. They simply don't have the hardware over the past 20 years to back up how "great" they are. But I guess if they keep getting 14 teams in the tourney every year, eventually they'll get a team on a streak and win 1.
They have 4 teams in the Sweet 16. Go back to your SEC shrine asshole.
Oh, I didn't realize greatness was measured in Sweet 16 appearances. My bad...and to think Ole Miss was just 3 points away from being one of the great teams.
3 points from beating La Salle. LA SALLE!! I mean, Florida Dunk Coast might be the equivalent of University of Phoenix, but at least I can find them on a globe, or my GPS :wink:
Wisconsin (the runner up in the Big 10 tournament, i.e. the greatest basketball conference
on the planet in the universe) got beat by Ole Miss in the 1st round by 9. La Salle is having a great run.
your smack is weak
My smack is weak? I said in this thread or the bracket thread I picked the fightin Hendersons over Wisky in a bracket because Wisky sucks. Bo Ryan couldnt coach himself out of a bag of Cheez-Its. They almost always underachieve in the tourney, just like my Pitt Panthers. Using them as a scapegoat is more than weak.
Ohio St won already. I dont think any other matchup is guaranteed, but Michigan, MSU, IU all have a great chance at the Elite 8. Just me, but I think MSU and IU get there, and thats with IU losing 11-5 halfway thru the first half right now
Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 28, 2013, 10:14 PM
My smack is weak? I said in this thread or the bracket thread I picked the fightin Hendersons over Wisky in a bracket because Wisky sucks. Bo Ryan couldnt coach himself out of a bag of Cheez-Its. They almost always underachieve in the tourney, just like my Pitt Panthers. Using them as a scapegoat is more than weak.
Ohio St won already. I dont think any other matchup is guaranteed, but Michigan, MSU, IU all have a great chance at the Elite 8. Just me, but I think MSU and IU get there, and thats with IU losing 11-5 halfway thru the first half right now
your "logic" is hard to follow.
The Big 10, with 1 title in 23 years, is OVERRATED. Period. Every year. Period. Maybe they get 1 this year; maybe not. I actually like Michigan State and Michigan; I would like to see Izzo get another one. But until they do, I can't say the accolades they get year-in and year-out are warranted.
Does anyone really talk about the Buffalo Bills dynasty of the early 90's? No, they don't. Do you know why? It's because they never won the big one. Think about it...
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 28, 2013, 11:03 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 28, 2013, 10:14 PM
My smack is weak? I said in this thread or the bracket thread I picked the fightin Hendersons over Wisky in a bracket because Wisky sucks. Bo Ryan couldnt coach himself out of a bag of Cheez-Its. They almost always underachieve in the tourney, just like my Pitt Panthers. Using them as a scapegoat is more than weak.
Ohio St won already. I dont think any other matchup is guaranteed, but Michigan, MSU, IU all have a great chance at the Elite 8. Just me, but I think MSU and IU get there, and thats with IU losing 11-5 halfway thru the first half right now
your "logic" is hard to follow.
The Big 10, with 1 title in 23 years, is OVERRATED. Period. Every year. Period. Maybe they get 1 this year; maybe not. I actually like Michigan State and Michigan; I would like to see Izzo get another one. But until they do, I can't say the accolades they get year-in and year-out are warranted.
Does anyone really talk about the Buffalo Bills dynasty of the early 90's? No, they don't. Do you know why? It's because they never won the big one. Think about it...
:grin: :grin: :grin:
I dont think you made 1 salient point in that post. The B1G may be overrated most years, but this year its the best conference. No doubt. It definitely isnt "year-in year-out" regarded the best, typically that goes to the Big East or ACC. Which conference is better?!
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Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 28, 2013, 10:14 PM
My smack is weak? I said in this thread or the bracket thread I picked the fightin Hendersons over Wisky in a bracket because Wisky sucks. Bo Ryan couldnt coach himself out of a bag of Cheez-Its. They almost always underachieve in the tourney, just like my Pitt Panthers. Using them as a scapegoat is more than weak.
Ohio St won already. I dont think any other matchup is guaranteed, but Michigan, MSU, IU all have a great chance at the Elite 8. Just me, but I think MSU and IU get there, and thats with IU losing 11-5 halfway thru the first half right now
your "logic" is hard to follow.
The Big 10, with 1 title in 23 years, is OVERRATED. Period. Every year. Period. Maybe they get 1 this year; maybe not. I actually like Michigan State and Michigan; I would like to see Izzo get another one. But until they do, I can't say the accolades they get year-in and year-out are warranted.
Does anyone really talk about the Buffalo Bills dynasty of the early 90's? No, they don't. Do you know why? It's because they never won the big one. Think about it...
:grin: :grin: :grin:
I dont think you made 1 salient point in that post. The B1G may be overrated most years, but this year its the best conference. No doubt. It definitely isnt "year-in year-out" regarded the best, typically that goes to the Big East or ACC. Which conference is better?!
jeeez, dude, you're out of touch. I never said they are always regarded as THE BEST, I said they don't deserve the accolades they get year-in and year-out. At least read my posts.
Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 28, 2013, 10:14 PM
Just me, but I think MSU and IU get there, and thats with IU losing 11-5 halfway thru the first half right now
Maybe MSU gets there... :thumbsup:
It's sort of like buying lottery tickets: the more picks you make, the higher the odds you'll eventually get one right.
So, IU, the best team in the "best" conference this year lost to Syracuse, the 5th best team in the Big East. Wonder why... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: (I mean, besides Boeheim teaching Crean a lesson about coaching)
I will let the B1G prove itself.
I picked Kansas to win it all, we shall see.
Aaaannnddd.....Indiana chokes again!
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Just me, but I think MSU and IU get there, and thats with IU losing 11-5 halfway thru the first half right now
Maybe MSU gets there... :thumbsup:
It's sort of like buying lottery tickets: the more picks you make, the higher the odds you'll eventually get one right.
So, IU, the best team in the "best" conference this year lost to Syracuse, the 5th best team in the Big East. Wonder why... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: (I mean, besides Boeheim teaching Crean a lesson about coaching)
Which conference is better than the Big 10 this year?
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Just me, but I think MSU and IU get there, and thats with IU losing 11-5 halfway thru the first half right now
Maybe MSU gets there... :thumbsup:
It's sort of like buying lottery tickets: the more picks you make, the higher the odds you'll eventually get one right.
So, IU, the best team in the "best" conference this year lost to Syracuse, the 5th best team in the Big East. Wonder why... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: (I mean, besides Boeheim teaching Crean a lesson about coaching)
Which conference is better than the Big 10 this year?
Let it go man; just let it goMetro Conference
I dont need to prove myself, you just did. I rest my case.
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I dont need to, you just did. I rest my case.
:rolleyes:
Looks like the Big East, right now. But maybe wait and see who is crowned. I think the Big 10 is overrated; you may have missed me saying that, so I figured I'd better say it again.
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I dont need to, you just did. I rest my case.
:rolleyes:
Which conference is better than Big 10? Im still waiting for this answer
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 29, 2013, 12:46 AM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 29, 2013, 12:45 AM
I dont need to, you just did. I rest my case.
:rolleyes:
Looks like the Big East, right now. But maybe wait and see who is crowned. I think the Big 10 is overrated; you may have missed me saying that, so I figured I'd better say it again.
Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 29, 2013, 12:52 AM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 29, 2013, 12:46 AM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 29, 2013, 12:45 AM
I dont need to, you just did. I rest my case.
:rolleyes:
Which conference is better than Big 10? Im still waiting for this answer
Looks like the Big East, right now. But maybe wait and see who is crowned. I think the Big 10 is overrated; you may have missed me saying that, so I figured I'd better say it again.
Looks like the Big East, right now. But maybe wait and see who is crowned. I think the Big 10 is overrated; you may have missed me saying that, so I figured I'd better say it again.
I think the Big 10 is overrated
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 29, 2013, 12:58 AM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 29, 2013, 12:52 AM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 29, 2013, 12:46 AM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 29, 2013, 12:45 AM
I dont need to, you just did. I rest my case.
:rolleyes:
Which conference is better than Big 10? Im still waiting for this answer
Looks like the Big East, right now. But maybe wait and see who is crowned. I think the Big 10 is overrated; you may have missed me saying that, so I figured I'd better say it again.
So, The Big East with those stellar performances from Georgetown and Pitt and Notre Dame all losing in the first round is the best conference? And Marquette is lucky as hell to even be where they are as it took an EPIC Davidson meltdown in the final seconds of that opening round game to keep Marquette alive or we would have been talking about FOUR Big East teams making a 1st round exit. Now, to Marquette's credit, they have capitalized on that BIG TIME as that seemed to be their wake-up call, but they are pretty damn lucky to be where they're at...
I get what you're saying about the B1G not winning anything, but I don't seem to remember the B1G EVER being as deep as it was this past season. And it's not like the B1G hasn't had it's share of close calls. MooU seems to always make deep tourney runs as does OSU as they are trying for their 2nd straight Final 4 appearance. But recent history shows that the B1G has basically been a battle between OSU and MSU with an occasional spurt from Illinois, Wisky and Purdon't. IU has been irrelavent for the better part of a decade and they are finally getting back on track. Michigan has been irrelavent for the better part of 20 years thanks to the sanctions as a result of the Fab 5 and Beilein seems to have them finally going in the right direction. So, spare me with these 'accolades' you keep saying get thrust upon the B1G every season?! This season is really the first time in a loooooong time where it could be argued that the B1G was the best conference in the country and only the Big East could make an argument to say they were better and after the Big East, it's not even close.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 28, 2013, 09:47 PM
Wisconsin (the runner up in the Big 10 tournament, i.e. the greatest basketball conference on the planet in the universe) got beat by Ole Miss in the 1st round by 9. La Salle is having a great run.
Wisky was 4th in the B1G regular season which is more representative than a 3 game run in a team makes in a conference tournament. Not to mention, Wisky always seems to overachieve in conference and then does nothing out of conference.
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Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 29, 2013, 12:58 AM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 29, 2013, 12:52 AM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 29, 2013, 12:46 AM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 29, 2013, 12:45 AM
I dont need to, you just did. I rest my case.
:rolleyes:
Which conference is better than Big 10? Im still waiting for this answer
Looks like the Big East, right now. But maybe wait and see who is crowned. I think the Big 10 is overrated; you may have missed me saying that, so I figured I'd better say it again.
So, The Big East with those stellar performances from Georgetown and Pitt and Notre Dame all losing in the first round is the best conference? And Marquette is lucky as hell to even be where they are as it took an EPIC Davidson meltdown in the final seconds of that opening round game to keep Marquette alive or we would have been talking about FOUR Big East teams making a 1st round exit. Now, to Marquette's credit, they have capitalized on that BIG TIME as that seemed to be their wake-up call, but they are pretty damn lucky to be where they're at...
I get what you're saying about the B1G not winning anything, but I don't seem to remember the B1G EVER being as deep as it was this past season. And it's not like the B1G hasn't had it's share of close calls. MooU seems to always make deep tourney runs as does OSU as they are trying for their 2nd straight Final 4 appearance. But recent history shows that the B1G has basically been a battle between OSU and MSU with an occasional spurt from Illinois, Wisky and Purdon't. IU has been irrelavent for the better part of a decade and they are finally getting back on track. Michigan has been irrelavent for the better part of 20 years thanks to the sanctions as a result of the Fab 5 and Beilein seems to have them finally going in the right direction. So, spare me with these 'accolades' you keep saying get thrust upon the B1G every season?! This season is really the first time in a loooooong time where it could be argued that the B1G was the best conference in the country and only the Big East could make an argument to say they were better and after the Big East, it's not even close.
And I'd say Ohio State is lucky to be around after a favorable charging call towards the end of the Iowa State game. Plus, another last second game winner last night. It's called survive and advance.
For me, a big part of the test is beating teams seeded above you; i.e. winning games you should win. IU failed last night. And that wasn't a fluke upset, that was an ass kicking and Marquette did the same to Miami. The Big East
soundly beat both the Big 10 and ACC champs, both lower seeds beating higher seeds. Tonight is the Big 10's first big crack at beating a higher seed (although Illinois gave Miami a run, plus that epic Minnesota upset of UCLA). If they start beating "better" teams from other conferences, then we may have something to say about how good the Big 10 is. As it is with Big 10 football, lots of hype with their league play, but once they play the big boys for all the marbles, they fold; we'll see. If the Big 10 is who people say they are, then a #3 beats a #2 and a #4 beats a #1.
I just hope Michigan State, somehow, runs Duke out of the gym. No need for commentary on that one :cool:
I also have a hunch Michigan beats Kansas; they looked really good on Saturday. It will be interesting to see if/how they handle Withey; I have to believe that McGary is going to have to have another monster game, but Withey's experience will be a huge factor. I am shocked to see Kansas have a talented, big white guy in the middle...If McLemore actually shows up for Kansas, it could be a long night. Coaching easily goes to Self and Kansas. I was suprised how Crean looked like a high school coach last night against Boeheim.
Good luck! and here's to the greatest time of the year! :beer:
As far as Marquette over Miami, the U was missing their leading rebounder, a 7 & 7 guy. That was at least some sort of factor. Im not surprised to see Cuse where they are, they have as good of a starting lineup as anyone, watching them often struggle in conference play was alarming, but theyve put it together and look good. Theyll go as far as MC-W and Southerland take them. Indiana looked like they never saw a zone before last night.
I dont think Michigan beats Kansas. They were VCU's worst possible matchup, and fully exploited the press. People seem to be keeping that game in mind and projecting it for Kansas. While I like McGary, he wont look like an All-American against Withey, in fact quite the opposite. What did he have in the VCU game? Like 18pts, 18 boards?! Yeah, good luck with that. Every starter on Kansas is a plus defender, Releford 1st team Big 12, gotta think he covers Burke. McLemore has been too quiet to think he doesnt show up tonight. I think the real x factors in this game are Crossover Jr and Big Dog III. Rock Chalk!
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Kansas epic choke job
.wow.
and McGary with 25 pts and 14 rbs!
Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 29, 2013, 12:09 AM
I will let the B1G prove itself.
I picked Kansas to win it all, we shall see.
The irony of this post is that Kansas helped the Big 10 prove itself.
It's complicated...
Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 29, 2013, 02:38 PM
I dont think Michigan beats Kansas. They were VCU's worst possible matchup, and fully exploited the press. People seem to be keeping that game in mind and projecting it for Kansas. While I like McGary, he wont look like an All-American against Withey, in fact quite the opposite. What did he have in the VCU game? Like 18pts, 18 boards?! Yeah, good luck with that. Every starter on Kansas is a plus defender, Releford 1st team Big 12, gotta think he covers Burke. McLemore has been too quiet to think he doesnt show up tonight. I think the real x factors in this game are Crossover Jr and Big Dog III. Rock Chalk!
I think you meant to say Withey will make McGary look like an All-American? :cool:
McGary has been in full on beast mode since the NCAA Tournament started! He's averaging a double double and his performance vs. Kansas made him only the 2nd player in NCAA Tournament history to score 20+ points while shooting better than 70% from the field and also hauling in at least 14 rebounds. Blake Griffin did it 3 consecutive games for OU so that's pretty good company to be in!
Maize n' Blue rolling!
Now if Louisville gets it done, I won't hate anyone in the Final 4!
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 31, 2013, 04:40 PM
Maize n' Blue rolling!
How nice was that to see the 5th best team in the B1G destroy the regular season SEC champs by 20??? :tongue: :cool: :thumbsup:
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Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Mar 31, 2013, 04:40 PM
Maize n' Blue rolling!
How nice was that to see the 5th best team in the B1G destroy the regular season SEC champs by 20??? :tongue: :cool: :thumbsup:
I hate Florida, so good job! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
And how nice to have 1 Big 10 team in the Final 4! Thanks Kansas! :grin: I know the tournament has been a major failure for the Big 10 after all the hoopla and not having anyone in the Final 4 would have been embarrassing, to say the least. (It's still sort of embarrassing, IMO). If Michigan wins it all, then great season Michigan with a fluke win against Kansas; but overall, the Big 10 is overrated, again.
Good luck against that Syracuse zone!
Though I think the whole tournament has had embarrassment after embarrassment, the B1G is definitely over-rated. If any conference is the best this year its the Big East, but they aren't runnin away with anything either...
and theres an argument from someone who knows little about sports
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Apr 01, 2013, 12:46 PM
Good luck against that Syracuse zone!
The so-called experts said Michigan would have trouble against the Havoc VCU defense that averages almost 20 forced turnovers/game. We only had 12 and won by 25. Then they said KU's defense which holds teams to under 35% shooting would give us trouble. We shot almost 50% and won in OT vs. a 1 seed. Then it was UF's defense and how they hold teams to under 55 ppg in scoring which is among the nation's best that would give us fits. We scored 79 and won by 20.
Syracuse has looked good and their zone has definitely been giving teams fits in this NCAA run they've been on, but it isn't like there aren't ways of attacking it and beating it. Louisville in the Big East Finals destroyed it in the 2nd half. G'town destroyed it in the regular season finale. Even lowly Uconn had success against it. I'm not saying Michigan will have success, but I do think they have the type of personnel on their team that can exploit this vaunted Syracuse zone. We shall see...
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nice! I'm glad to see he's ok and hope he'll be able to travel with the team for the last 2 games! Poor guy. Gotta love the love they have for each other...makes you want to see them win even more!!!
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nice! I'm glad to see he's ok and hope he'll be able to travel with the team for the last 2 games! Poor guy. Gotta love the love they have for each other...makes you want to see them win even more!!!
I heard today that he is expected to be released from the hospital today and is planning on joining the team in Atlanta. Should be a nice motivational boost for the Cards to have him on the bench... :thumbsup:
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Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Apr 01, 2013, 12:46 PM
Good luck against that Syracuse zone!
The so-called experts said Michigan would have trouble against the Havoc VCU defense that averages almost 20 forced turnovers/game. We only had 12 and won by 25. Then they said KU's defense which holds teams to under 35% shooting would give us trouble. We shot almost 50% and won in OT vs. a 1 seed. Then it was UF's defense and how they hold teams to under 55 ppg in scoring which is among the nation's best that would give us fits. We scored 79 and won by 20.
Syracuse has looked good and their zone has definitely been giving teams fits in this NCAA run they've been on, but it isn't like there aren't ways of attacking it and beating it. Louisville in the Big East Finals destroyed it in the 2nd half. G'town destroyed it in the regular season finale. Even lowly Uconn had success against it. I'm not saying Michigan will have success, but I do think they have the type of personnel on their team that can exploit this vaunted Syracuse zone. We shall see...
I like Michigan's team; they have some very unique players/stories and are fun to watch. I know as a Michigan fan you have to talk about how you beat Kansas, but everyone outside the Ann Arbor nation understands that Kansas gave that game away. But, a win is a win. As for Michigan dominating Florida in the great 8, all I have to say is the mighty Big 10 was 1-2 against the SEC in the tournament. Thus, the SEC was underrated or the Big 10 was overrated. You know where I stand. :wink:
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Apr 05, 2013, 12:03 PM
As for Michigan dominating Florida in the great 8, all I have to say is the mighty Big 10 was 1-2 against the SEC in the tournament. Thus, the SEC was underrated or the Big 10 was overrated. You know where I stand. :wink:
Really? Nothing like ignoring some facts to make your point?! Let's see, your two wins were Ole Miss over Wisky which I would consider a push as Ole Miss was SEC runner up in the regular season and won the SEC Tournament and Wisky was 4th in the B1G regular season and runner up in the B1G tournament. The SEC's other win was Florida who was the SEC champs beating Minnesota who finished 9th in the B1G regular season and were the last B1G team to make the big dance. Sorry if I'm not going to base an opinion on one conference being over or under rated based on such a small sample size to go by...
Man, Im still salty about that Kansas-Michigan game. What a choke job. Reminded me of the Memphis-Kansas 2008 championship game where it seemed like Derrick Rose, Chris Douglas Roberts & Co had it all sealed up only to have Kansas inexplicably comeback and Chalmers hit that shot. Elijah Johnson played so bad, I wouldnt be surprised if he got paid to throw the game. Starts off with the balltap, commits stupid foul after stupid foul, missed the front end on a few 1 and 1's in the last few minutes, doesnt move the ball upcourt on the last possession fast to try and get the best attempt or possible foul, than he has a floater to tie the game in OT or let Withey get the board on a miss, and he passes it outside for a 3. Ugh, so frustrating. I give Burke props for hitting some big shots, but why you dont foul before he hit the half courter so they couldnt tie the game is beyond me.
That said, Im rooting for Michigan to win it all (cant believe Im saying that as a Penn St fan/alum). Well, Im rooting for the Shockers actually, but I dont give them much of a chance vs Louisville. They looked pretty shaky against OSU's press in the 2nd half, Im pretty sure Louisville will win without much difficulty by 30 minutes into the game. Love Burke, reminds me of Iverson during his Hoyas days. I expect that Cuse game tonight to be a good one, but he may be the difference. Theyll definitely need to be hitting those 3's again to beat the zone. Paging Stauskas. Regardless of who wins though, stoked for monday nights game, should be a dandy and rooting for anyone but Louisville. Hell, hopefully they arent even there! :cheesy:
Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 26, 2013, 04:15 PM
I dont think the Zags were exposed at all. Indiana almost lost to a one man Temple team, it can happen. It isnt all that uncommon for a 1 seed to lose in the 2nd round. More importantly I think Wichita St is just a good team. They beat the Zags by shooting 50% from 3 (14/28) and many werent open looks, after shooting 2/20 from 3 against Pitt. Pitt beat Cuse this year, lost to Michigan by 5, lost to Louisville by 3. Their worst loss was 10 to Marquette. Wichita St made them look like they didnt belong in the tourney and beat Pitt by 18.
Just sayin :thumbsup:
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Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 26, 2013, 04:15 PM
I dont think the Zags were exposed at all. Indiana almost lost to a one man Temple team, it can happen. It isnt all that uncommon for a 1 seed to lose in the 2nd round. More importantly I think Wichita St is just a good team. They beat the Zags by shooting 50% from 3 (14/28) and many werent open looks, after shooting 2/20 from 3 against Pitt. Pitt beat Cuse this year, lost to Michigan by 5, lost to Louisville by 3. Their worst loss was 10 to Marquette. Wichita St made them look like they didnt belong in the tourney and beat Pitt by 18.
Just sayin :thumbsup:
Boy, hindsight really is 20/20. You didn't even have Wichita St. winning one game, and now you're on their bandwagon? :huh:
Just sayin. :wink:
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Quote from: capt. scotty on Apr 06, 2013, 01:38 PM
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I dont think the Zags were exposed at all. Indiana almost lost to a one man Temple team, it can happen. It isnt all that uncommon for a 1 seed to lose in the 2nd round. More importantly I think Wichita St is just a good team. They beat the Zags by shooting 50% from 3 (14/28) and many werent open looks, after shooting 2/20 from 3 against Pitt. Pitt beat Cuse this year, lost to Michigan by 5, lost to Louisville by 3. Their worst loss was 10 to Marquette. Wichita St made them look like they didnt belong in the tourney and beat Pitt by 18.
Just sayin :thumbsup:
Boy, hindsight really is 20/20. You didn't even have Wichita St. winning one game, and now you're on their bandwagon? :huh:
Just sayin. :wink:
What does that have to do with what I said after 2 rounds of the tournament had been played? Never saw them play until the tourney, and they were a trendy pick in 2012 when they were a 4 or 5 seed and lost their first game, as well as 4 starters from last year. After seeing how they handled Pitt and the Zags, they had me more than convinced they were for real, yet at that point everyone and their mother was saying how Gonzaga was exposed, shouldnt have been a 1 seed, and no one was giving the Shockers any credit for what they had done at that point. Thats what I was trying to say and it seems to have proven to be true.
And yes, I put my money where my mouth is and put 1 unit on the Shockers vs OSU +180, 2 units on the Shockers +4.5 :bath:
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Quote from: capt. scotty on Apr 06, 2013, 01:38 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 26, 2013, 04:15 PM
I dont think the Zags were exposed at all. Indiana almost lost to a one man Temple team, it can happen. It isnt all that uncommon for a 1 seed to lose in the 2nd round. More importantly I think Wichita St is just a good team. They beat the Zags by shooting 50% from 3 (14/28) and many werent open looks, after shooting 2/20 from 3 against Pitt. Pitt beat Cuse this year, lost to Michigan by 5, lost to Louisville by 3. Their worst loss was 10 to Marquette. Wichita St made them look like they didnt belong in the tourney and beat Pitt by 18.
Just sayin :thumbsup:
Boy, hindsight really is 20/20. You didn't even have Wichita St. winning one game, and now you're on their bandwagon? :huh:
Just sayin. :wink:
What does that have to do with what I said after 2 rounds of the tournament had been played? Never saw them play until the tourney, and they were a trendy pick in 2012 when they were a 4 or 5 seed and lost their first game, as well as 4 starters from last year. After seeing how they handled Pitt and the Zags, they had me more than convinced they were for real, yet at that point everyone and their mother was saying how Gonzaga was exposed, shouldnt have been a 1 seed, and no one was giving the Shockers any credit for what they had done at that point. Thats what I was trying to say and it seems to have proven to be true.
And yes, I put my money where my mouth is and put 1 unit on the Shockers vs OSU +180, 2 units on the Shockers +4.5 :bath:
Settle down there Scotty. I was bustin your chops about patting yourself on the back with the "just sayin" self quote. :beer:
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Quote from: capt. scotty on Apr 06, 2013, 01:38 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 26, 2013, 04:15 PM
I dont think the Zags were exposed at all. Indiana almost lost to a one man Temple team, it can happen. It isnt all that uncommon for a 1 seed to lose in the 2nd round. More importantly I think Wichita St is just a good team. They beat the Zags by shooting 50% from 3 (14/28) and many werent open looks, after shooting 2/20 from 3 against Pitt. Pitt beat Cuse this year, lost to Michigan by 5, lost to Louisville by 3. Their worst loss was 10 to Marquette. Wichita St made them look like they didnt belong in the tourney and beat Pitt by 18.
Just sayin :thumbsup:
Boy, hindsight really is 20/20. You didn't even have Wichita St. winning one game, and now you're on their bandwagon? :huh:
Just sayin. :wink:
scotty's strength has always been hindsight; he has a real knack for predicting winners after the fact. I guess it's harder to cut/paste the future. This is how it usually goes:
During the Indiana/Syracuse game: "but I think MSU and IU get there, and thats with IU losing 11-5 halfway thru the first half right now"
After the fact: "Im not surprised to see Cuse where they are, they have as good of a starting lineup as anyone."
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If I was right all the time, Id be in Vegas smart guy.
Dont see how what I said about Cuse is wrong. They lost 6 of their last 12 games, got their doors blown off in their last game, and often struggle to score - something that hasnt changed during the tourney. Im not surprised theyre in the Final Four because theyre probably the most talented team in the country after Michigan, but they werent playing like it down the stretch.
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2 in the pink, 1 in the stink leading at the half!!!! :cheesy: :beer: :bath:
Man, did Wichita St get jobbed by the refs in the 2nd half. Its like the president called the refs at halftime and said he wants Louisville to win for the Ware story. Quickest jumpball call Ive ever seen which essentially ended the game.
Hoping for a good game between Michigan-Cuse, hope whoever wins beats Louisville.
Quote from: capt. scotty on Apr 06, 2013, 08:45 PM
Man, did Wichita St get jobbed by the refs in the 2nd half. Its like the president called the refs at halftime and said he wants Louisville to win for the Ware story. Quickest jumpball call Ive ever seen which essentially ended the game.
Hoping for a good game between Michigan-Cuse, hope whoever wins beats Louisville.
Refs? They did the exact same thing last weekend vs OSU> Baker disappeared in the 2nd half and they couldn't set up their O the last 7 minutes. EXACTLY what happened last weekend but UL only had to make up 12 rather than 20.
Quote from: capt. scotty on Apr 06, 2013, 08:45 PM
Man, did Wichita St get jobbed by the refs in the 2nd half. Its like the president called the refs at halftime and said he wants Louisville to win for the Ware story. Quickest jumpball call Ive ever seen which essentially ended the game.
Hoping for a good game between Michigan-Cuse, hope whoever wins beats Louisville.
C'mon man! The refs were calling a tight game all night. This call was no different, and that being the quickest jump ball you've ever seen, seems a bit extreme, and an over reaction. Either that you haven't seen much BBall,and I don't think that is the case.
I thought WSU was getting the benefit of the whistles all night,and especially thought the game being called tight worked in their favor. Anyone blaming the loss on this one call not going their way is just making an excuse, and I'm glad their coach and players haven't complained about it.
Rooting for Syracuse but sort of would rather see Michigan play Louisville; I dunno
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Apr 06, 2013, 09:14 PM
Rooting for Syracuse but sort of would rather see Michigan play Louisville; I dunno
Rooting for Cuse,and an all Big East final in their last year as a conference. Seems fitting, as it was a great BBall conference.
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Quote from: capt. scotty on Apr 06, 2013, 08:45 PM
Man, did Wichita St get jobbed by the refs in the 2nd half. Its like the president called the refs at halftime and said he wants Louisville to win for the Ware story. Quickest jumpball call Ive ever seen which essentially ended the game.
Hoping for a good game between Michigan-Cuse, hope whoever wins beats Louisville.
C'mon man! The refs were calling a tight game all night. This call was no different, and that being the quickest jump ball you've ever seen, seems a bit extreme, and an over reaction. Either that you haven't seen much BBall,and I don't think that is the case.
I thought WSU was getting the benefit of the whistles all night,and especially thought the game being called tight worked in their favor. Anyone blaming the loss on this one call not going their way is just making an excuse, and I'm glad their coach and players haven't complained about it.
Oh, I dont totally blame the loss on the refs. Shockers did great against the press much of the game, and then folded at the end, so that didnt help their case and was probably the difference in the game. I give credit to Hancock and the other white Ville player that hit a couple 3s for showing up in the 2nd half, because no one else did.
I do think in the last 6-8 minutes almost all the calls went Louisville's way though. The jumpball call wasnt outlandish, but it was quick, and at that point in the game let them play IMO.
WOOHOO!!!! CARDINALS WIN!!!
scary for a while there too. This town would have heartbroken. So glad they pulled through!! One more game!!!
Go ahead and give McGary the tournament MVP :shocked:
One of the best Final 4's ever! A couple of low % 3 makes by Michigan, a couple of ?? calls for Michigan, and they move on. Both games could have gone either way. I really don't see any conference being a dominant power.
Looking forward to Monday, Go Cards!
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Apr 06, 2013, 11:41 PM
Go ahead and give McGary the tournament MVP :shocked:
One of the best Final 4's ever! A couple of low % 3 makes by Michigan, a couple of ?? calls for Michigan, and they move on. Both games could have gone either way. I really don't see any conference being a dominant power.
Looking forward to Monday, Go Cards!
Win and advance is all it's about this time of year. I don't care how it happens! You need a little luck this time of year and draining 3's from a different zip code is part of it. Michigan also missed a few ft's that allowed Syracuse to even have a chance to get back in that game late so don't forget about that...
Michigan came out with a great gameplan and really attacked that vaunted Syracuse zone in the 1st half. Credit to Syracuse for making things much more difficult for Michigan in the 2nd half, but the game was won for Michigan in that 1st half.
And lets not overlook turnovers. That vaunted Syracuse zone only forced Michigan into 10 turnovers. You can talk about lucky 3's and calls going Michigan's way but I would argue Michigan taking care of the basketball was a big reason they won this game! Syracuse had been forcing more to's/game than they'd been allowing opposing fg's/game. Not last night! And also, how about giving the much maligned Michigan defense some credit! They held Carter-Williams who was arguably one of the hottest players in the tournament to just TWO points and also held James Sutherland to just FIVE, 3 of which came on a 3-pointer in the last minute! Yet another key to not turning the ball over vs. Syracuse is that it takes away their transition game and makes them have to try to score running a half court offense which they struggle with.
Oh, and I agree, if Michigan wins Monday McGary is hands down Tournament MVP! If you would have told me before the game that Trey Burke would be held to 7 points and Nick Stauskus would put up a doughnut I would have asked you how bad Michigan lost! But Mitch comes up with yet another double double and had 6 freaking assists to go with his stat line ( he had 18 assists ALL SEASON).
Can't wait for Monday! It's great to be a Michigan Wolverine!
GO BLUE!!!
I know Burke had an off game, but if Cuse got ANY offense from Southerland, and Michael Carter Williams, they would've won. Cuse's Defense did their part IMO, especially in the very early minutes,and then for pretty much the whole second half. They just missed so many shots. Had those guys combined for more than 7 points on 3-15 shooting, we'd have an all Big East final,IMO. Hell even 6-15 would've done it.
What is this woulda coulda shoulda? I think it was clear for most of the game that Michigan was the better team. Stauskas didn't contribute, Burke was awful, they couldn't hit free throws and made horrific turnovers at the end and they still won. I mean what if CJ Fair didn't just go off for an incredible game.
Michigan beat the matchup zone the way it's supposed to be beat. By hitting the offensive boards with active bodies going after every no block out 50/50 ball. I'm so sick of hearing what a genius Boeheim is with his simple zone. What makes it effective is the freak, quick, long athletes he recruits and the lack of experience that teams have against it.
I am thankful for Michigan as I've bet them each round and they've covered each round. That tells me the public and Vegas continually underrate them. They don't have a real superstar but four of their starters will be 1st round picks (McGary, Hardaway, Robinson, and Burke) and a great coach in Bielein yet every one picks against them.
I'm cool if either team wins but give credit where credit is due.
I like Michigan +4 and think they will win outright. They have done an extraordinary job adjusting to new defenses coming from the straight up man to man of the Big 10. Having played VCU already will benefit them in their short preparation time for Louisville.
Michigan 73-Louisville 70
Well I guess my Big East rooting bias is showing. It seemed to me like the "vaunted" comment was a swipe at them, and I thought it was inaccurate. Their D was fine, and did what it needed to,but no question, Michigan did what they needed to also, and deserved the win.
I just feel that Cuse's offense cost them the game, and not their defense. I also didn't think Cuse's poor offense was because of UM's defense, but rather their own inability to make open shots. Cuse's D did more than enough to win,and had their offense shown up, the game was there for the taking. Not meant as a swipe at UM, more a swipe at Cuse for not coming through on O.
Quote from: Ruckus on Apr 07, 2013, 01:29 PM
Michigan beat the matchup zone the way it's supposed to be beat. By hitting the offensive boards with active bodies going after every no block out 50/50 ball. I'm so sick of hearing what a genius Boeheim is with his simple zone. What makes it effective is the freak, quick, long athletes he recruits and the lack of experience that teams have against it.
If you want to call scoring 61 points "beating the zone" then go ahead; Syracuse averaged giving up 59 points a game this year, so they were right on schedule there. Michigan was held 14 points under their season average (with a little help from a couple of improbable 3's). I'd say the zone worked. It was Syracuse's inability to score (they averaged 70 a game) and/or Michigan's D that won the game.
The Syracuse zone IS that good. They held Indiana (the best team in the best conference ever) AND Marquette 29 points under their season averages. Boeheim haters will dismiss those numbers (and on what grounds other than emotion, I don't know) but in their last 3 tournament games against a 1,3, & 4, they
averaged holding their opponents scoring 24 points below their season averages. Pretty amazing.
Quote from: ericm on Apr 07, 2013, 02:17 PM
Well I guess my Big East rooting bias is showing. It seemed to me like the "vaunted" comment was a swipe at them, and I thought it was inaccurate. Their D was fine, and did what it needed to,but no question, Michigan did what they needed to also, and deserved the win.
I just feel that Cuse's offense cost them the game, and not their defense. I also didn't think Cuse's poor offense was because of UM's defense, but rather their own inability to make open shots. Cuse's D did more than enough to win,and had their offense shown up, the game was there for the taking. Not meant as a swipe at UM, more a swipe at Cuse for not coming through on O.
I did use the term 'vaunted' as a swipe because like Ruckus said, I too am sick of hearing what a genius Boeheim is for running that 2-3 zone. Like Ruckus said, its more about the athletes he recruits than it is about the defense he runs. If it was such a great defense, why isn't he making NC runs year in and year out?
And why is it that you can't give some credit to Michigan's defense for the lack of production of Carter-Williams and Southerland. Most of the shots those two were putting up were pretty contested from what I remember watching. It wasn't all just about Cuse's inability to hit open shots. Give some credit where credit is due.
Like I said in a post earlier, and as Ruckus pointed out above in reference to the oddsmakers, Michigan has been being doubted the entire tournament so far. Hell, Jay Bilas had us losing to SDSU in the freaking opening round of the tournament. Then it was going to be the havoc defense of VCU that would knock us off. Then it was Kansas and Withey and their size being too much for us. Then it was UF and their scoring defense. Then it was the 'vaunted' 2-3 zone of Jim Boeheim and Syracuse. Trey Burke said after the game last night that they've been hearing the doubters all season long and it's only been fueling them to prove everyone wrong. Well, now it's on to Louisville who is yet another good defensive team I'm sure everyone and their mother will be picking to finally shut down the Michigan offense. So far no one has succeeded (save for the 2nd half last night vs. Syracuse) so we shall see if Louisville can be the one to do it. Due to all of the tests Michigan has already faced in their tournament run to date, I have my doubts if they can...
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Apr 07, 2013, 02:25 PM
The Syracuse zone IS that good. They held Indiana (the best team in the best conference ever) AND Marquette 29 points under their season averages. Boeheim haters will dismiss those numbers (and on what grounds other than emotion, I don't know) but in their last 3 tournament games against a 1,3, & 4, they averaged holding their opponents scoring 24 points below their season averages. Pretty amazing.
Again, if the zone IS that good, why isn't Boeheim winning more NC's than he has? The only championship he HAS won was because he had someone named Carmelo playing for him and not because of his 'vaunted' zone. Was his zone good this year? Yes it was, but it had more to do with him having the perfect mix of length and athleticism on his team than the scheme of the 2-3 zone...
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Apr 07, 2013, 02:39 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Apr 07, 2013, 02:25 PM
The Syracuse zone IS that good. They held Indiana (the best team in the best conference ever) AND Marquette 29 points under their season averages. Boeheim haters will dismiss those numbers (and on what grounds other than emotion, I don't know) but in their last 3 tournament games against a 1,3, & 4, they averaged holding their opponents scoring 24 points below their season averages. Pretty amazing.
Again, if the zone IS that good, why isn't Boeheim winning more NC's than he has? The only championship he HAS won was because he had someone named Carmelo playing for him and not because of his 'vaunted' zone. Was his zone good this year? Yes it was, but it had more to do with him having the perfect mix of length and athleticism on his team than the scheme of the 2-3 zone...
So, recruiting players that fit into your system is bad coaching? Not sure I follow your logic.
I do know, if you are recruiting for your D scheme, then scoring is going to suffer, that would explain the lack of NC's (and why they got 1 with Carmelo).
If you don't think holding 1,3, and 4 seeds to an
average of 24 points below their season average is not a major accomplishment (and wow!) then I have to guess you're a Boeheim hater. Just look at the numbers. Or, Maybe Indiana, Marquette and Michigan all coincidentally had poor offensive showings against an overrated defense? :thumbsup:
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Apr 07, 2013, 02:36 PM
Quote from: ericm on Apr 07, 2013, 02:17 PM
Well I guess my Big East rooting bias is showing. It seemed to me like the "vaunted" comment was a swipe at them, and I thought it was inaccurate. Their D was fine, and did what it needed to,but no question, Michigan did what they needed to also, and deserved the win.
I just feel that Cuse's offense cost them the game, and not their defense. I also didn't think Cuse's poor offense was because of UM's defense, but rather their own inability to make open shots. Cuse's D did more than enough to win,and had their offense shown up, the game was there for the taking. Not meant as a swipe at UM, more a swipe at Cuse for not coming through on O.
I did use the term 'vaunted' as a swipe because like Ruckus said, I too am sick of hearing what a genius Boeheim is for running that 2-3 zone. Like Ruckus said, its more about the athletes he recruits than it is about the defense he runs. If it was such a great defense, why isn't he making NC runs year in and year out?
And why is it that you can't give some credit to Michigan's defense for the lack of production of Carter-Williams and Southerland. Most of the shots those two were putting up were pretty contested from what I remember watching. It wasn't all just about Cuse's inability to hit open shots. Give some credit where credit is due.
Like I said in a post earlier, and as Ruckus pointed out above in reference to the oddsmakers, Michigan has been being doubted the entire tournament so far. Hell, Jay Bilas had us losing to SDSU in the freaking opening round of the tournament. Then it was going to be the havoc defense of VCU that would knock us off. Then it was Kansas and Withey and their size being too much for us. Then it was UF and their scoring defense. Then it was the 'vaunted' 2-3 zone of Jim Boeheim and Syracuse. Trey Burke said after the game last night that they've been hearing the doubters all season long and it's only been fueling them to prove everyone wrong. Well, now it's on to Louisville who is yet another good defensive team I'm sure everyone and their mother will be picking to finally shut down the Michigan offense. So far no one has succeeded (save for the 2nd half last night vs. Syracuse and the first 36 minutes of the Kansas game) so we shall see if Louisville can be the one to do it. Due to all of the tests Michigan has already faced in their tournament run to date, I have my doubts if they can...
I fixed your post up there :happy:
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Apr 07, 2013, 02:36 PM
we shall see if Louisville can be the one to do it. Due to all of the tests Michigan has already faced in their tournament run to date, I have my doubts if they can...
In all seriousness, good luck tomorrow night! Michigan has definitely earned a right to be there and if they win it all, it won't be a fluke. I like your players and your coach is a stand up guy.
Go Cards!
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Apr 07, 2013, 02:36 PM
Quote from: ericm on Apr 07, 2013, 02:17 PM
Well I guess my Big East rooting bias is showing. It seemed to me like the "vaunted" comment was a swipe at them, and I thought it was inaccurate. Their D was fine, and did what it needed to,but no question, Michigan did what they needed to also, and deserved the win.
I just feel that Cuse's offense cost them the game, and not their defense. I also didn't think Cuse's poor offense was because of UM's defense, but rather their own inability to make open shots. Cuse's D did more than enough to win,and had their offense shown up, the game was there for the taking. Not meant as a swipe at UM, more a swipe at Cuse for not coming through on O.
I did use the term 'vaunted' as a swipe because like Ruckus said, I too am sick of hearing what a genius Boeheim is for running that 2-3 zone. Like Ruckus said, its more about the athletes he recruits than it is about the defense he runs. If it was such a great defense, why isn't he making NC runs year in and year out?
And why is it that you can't give some credit to Michigan's defense for the lack of production of Carter-Williams and Southerland. Most of the shots those two were putting up were pretty contested from what I remember watching. It wasn't all just about Cuse's inability to hit open shots. Give some credit where credit is due.
Like I said in a post earlier, and as Ruckus pointed out above in reference to the oddsmakers, Michigan has been being doubted the entire tournament so far. Hell, Jay Bilas had us losing to SDSU in the freaking opening round of the tournament. Then it was going to be the havoc defense of VCU that would knock us off. Then it was Kansas and Withey and their size being too much for us. Then it was UF and their scoring defense. Then it was the 'vaunted' 2-3 zone of Jim Boeheim and Syracuse. Trey Burke said after the game last night that they've been hearing the doubters all season long and it's only been fueling them to prove everyone wrong. Well, now it's on to Louisville who is yet another good defensive team I'm sure everyone and their mother will be picking to finally shut down the Michigan offense. So far no one has succeeded (save for the 2nd half last night vs. Syracuse) so we shall see if Louisville can be the one to do it. Due to all of the tests Michigan has already faced in their tournament run to date, I have my doubts if they can...
I didn't give UM's D credit because I didn't think the were the reason for Southerland,and MCW missing shots. We must have a different view of contested because Southerland especially was missing some wide open shots all game.
UM was great on the boards, and that combined with McGary's great play,and Cuse's inept offense were the difference in the game,IMO.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Apr 07, 2013, 02:25 PM
Quote from: Ruckus on Apr 07, 2013, 01:29 PM
Michigan beat the matchup zone the way it's supposed to be beat. By hitting the offensive boards with active bodies going after every no block out 50/50 ball. I'm so sick of hearing what a genius Boeheim is with his simple zone. What makes it effective is the freak, quick, long athletes he recruits and the lack of experience that teams have against it.
If you want to call scoring 61 points "beating the zone" then go ahead; Syracuse averaged giving up 59 points a game this year, so they were right on schedule there. Michigan was held 14 points under their season average (with a little help from a couple of improbable 3's). I'd say the zone worked. It was Syracuse's inability to score (they averaged 70 a game) and/or Michigan's D that won the game.
The Syracuse zone IS that good. They held Indiana (the best team in the best conference ever) AND Marquette 29 points under their season averages. Boeheim haters will dismiss those numbers (and on what grounds other than emotion, I don't know) but in their last 3 tournament games against a 1,3, & 4, they averaged holding their opponents scoring 24 points below their season averages. Pretty amazing.
Holding teams below their season average as a stat is irrelevant and outdated. Offensive efficiency and points per possession are what is relevant. Admittedly, the zone was effective by itself but it has to be examined in the context of the entire game. It forces teams to be patient thus shortening the game and lowering total possessions. Additionally, it allows for offensive rebounds for garbage points to make up for the difficulty of executing on the first shot against the zone. Plus it takes away from any offensive rhythm that Syracuse could establish by making the game so plodding ala Wisconsin. You don't think the freakish talents of the likes of Fair and Carter Williams couldn't be better exploited in an open, up and down game with more push, drive and kick or pick and pop sets? You see the inconsistency of Syracuse teams on the offensive end in the half court on a regular basis and some of it has to be attributed to the lack of offensive rhythm as a result of their defensive style.
Of course recruiting for your system is good coaching but that doesn't change the fact that I can coach that defense no problem. Just as with John Chaney in Temple, the 2-3 matchup has been effective because it is rare but Chaney's team also struggled to score at times. Yes it helps to get a Carmelo Anthony.
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Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Apr 07, 2013, 02:25 PM
Quote from: Ruckus on Apr 07, 2013, 01:29 PM
Michigan beat the matchup zone the way it's supposed to be beat. By hitting the offensive boards with active bodies going after every no block out 50/50 ball. I'm so sick of hearing what a genius Boeheim is with his simple zone. What makes it effective is the freak, quick, long athletes he recruits and the lack of experience that teams have against it.
If you want to call scoring 61 points "beating the zone" then go ahead; Syracuse averaged giving up 59 points a game this year, so they were right on schedule there. Michigan was held 14 points under their season average (with a little help from a couple of improbable 3's). I'd say the zone worked. It was Syracuse's inability to score (they averaged 70 a game) and/or Michigan's D that won the game.
The Syracuse zone IS that good. They held Indiana (the best team in the best conference ever) AND Marquette 29 points under their season averages. Boeheim haters will dismiss those numbers (and on what grounds other than emotion, I don't know) but in their last 3 tournament games against a 1,3, & 4, they averaged holding their opponents scoring 24 points below their season averages. Pretty amazing.
Holding teams below their season average as a stat is irrelevant and outdated. Offensive efficiency and points per possession are what is relevant. Admittedly, the zone was effective by itself but it has to be examined in the context of the entire game. It forces teams to be patient thus shortening the game and lowering total possessions. Additionally, it allows for offensive rebounds for garbage points to make up for the difficulty of executing on the first shot against the zone. Plus it takes away from any offensive rhythm that Syracuse could establish by making the game so plodding ala Wisconsin. You don't think the freakish talents of the likes of Fair and Carter Williams couldn't be better exploited in an open, up and down game with more push, drive and kick or pick and pop sets? You see the inconsistency of Syracuse teams on the offensive end in the half court on a regular basis and some of it has to be attributed to the lack of offensive rhythm as a result of their defensive style.
Of course recruiting for your system is good coaching but that doesn't change the fact that I can coach that defense no problem. Just as with John Chaney in Temple, the 2-3 matchup has been effective because it is rare but Chaney's team also struggled to score at times. Yes it helps to get a Carmelo Anthony.
I disagree that holding consecutive opponents 29 points under their season average is an irrelevant and outdated stat.
Lack of offensive efficiency and points per possession equates to scoring 29 points less than your seasonal average...you're getting into chicken or egg world here. I am going to guess you're a Boeheim hater, too. So be it.
Why is it so hard to admit Boeheim is a great coach and Syracuse has a fucking awesome zone D? It's no mystery some people hate him, but don't let it cloud your discernment of the numbers.
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Quote from: Ruckus on Apr 07, 2013, 03:58 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Apr 07, 2013, 02:25 PM
Quote from: Ruckus on Apr 07, 2013, 01:29 PM
Michigan beat the matchup zone the way it's supposed to be beat. By hitting the offensive boards with active bodies going after every no block out 50/50 ball. I'm so sick of hearing what a genius Boeheim is with his simple zone. What makes it effective is the freak, quick, long athletes he recruits and the lack of experience that teams have against it.
If you want to call scoring 61 points "beating the zone" then go ahead; Syracuse averaged giving up 59 points a game this year, so they were right on schedule there. Michigan was held 14 points under their season average (with a little help from a couple of improbable 3's). I'd say the zone worked. It was Syracuse's inability to score (they averaged 70 a game) and/or Michigan's D that won the game.
The Syracuse zone IS that good. They held Indiana (the best team in the best conference ever) AND Marquette 29 points under their season averages. Boeheim haters will dismiss those numbers (and on what grounds other than emotion, I don't know) but in their last 3 tournament games against a 1,3, & 4, they averaged holding their opponents scoring 24 points below their season averages. Pretty amazing.
Holding teams below their season average as a stat is irrelevant and outdated. Offensive efficiency and points per possession are what is relevant. Admittedly, the zone was effective by itself but it has to be examined in the context of the entire game. It forces teams to be patient thus shortening the game and lowering total possessions. Additionally, it allows for offensive rebounds for garbage points to make up for the difficulty of executing on the first shot against the zone. Plus it takes away from any offensive rhythm that Syracuse could establish by making the game so plodding ala Wisconsin. You don't think the freakish talents of the likes of Fair and Carter Williams couldn't be better exploited in an open, up and down game with more push, drive and kick or pick and pop sets? You see the inconsistency of Syracuse teams on the offensive end in the half court on a regular basis and some of it has to be attributed to the lack of offensive rhythm as a result of their defensive style.
Of course recruiting for your system is good coaching but that doesn't change the fact that I can coach that defense no problem. Just as with John Chaney in Temple, the 2-3 matchup has been effective because it is rare but Chaney's team also struggled to score at times. Yes it helps to get a Carmelo Anthony.
I disagree that holding consecutive opponents 29 points under their season average is an irrelevant and outdated stat. Lack of offensive efficiency and points per possession equates to scoring 29 points less than your seasonal average...you're getting into chicken or egg world here. I am going to guess you're a Boeheim hater, too. So be it.
Why is it so hard to admit Boeheim is a great coach and Syracuse has a fucking awesome zone D? It's no mystery some people hate him, but don't let it cloud your discernment of the numbers.
I think he is a great college coach. His amazing resume speaks for itself and Syracuse is arguably a national Top 7 program in prestige following Kansas, Kentucky, Indiana, Duke, UNC and UCLA and that's all because of Boeheim. I think Jaimoe would be the first to admit though that they have underperformed relative to the blue chip talent they have consistently gotten over the last 30 years.
Doesn't change the fact that it's a fucking zone D and I'm not impressed by his coaching tactics. I do believe he is a phenomenal recruiter.
Melissa McCarthy hosted Saturday Night Live this week and nailed a skit in which the show made fun of the scandal that led to Rutgers basketball coach Mike Rice being fired and athletic director Tim Pernetti resigning.
McCarthy played tyrannical coach Sheila Kelly at fictional Middle Delaware State who has somehow managed to keep her job for three years with a 3-81 record. Enjoy.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/snl-spoofs-rutgers-basketball-scandal-hilarious-melissa-mccarthy-201507378--ncaab.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/snl-spoofs-rutgers-basketball-scandal-hilarious-melissa-mccarthy-201507378--ncaab.html)
Quote from: iLikeBeer on Apr 07, 2013, 11:18 AM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Apr 06, 2013, 11:41 PM
Go ahead and give McGary the tournament MVP :shocked:
One of the best Final 4's ever! A couple of low % 3 makes by Michigan, a couple of ?? calls for Michigan, and they move on. Both games could have gone either way. I really don't see any conference being a dominant power.
Looking forward to Monday, Go Cards!
They held Carter-Williams who was arguably one of the hottest players in the tournament to just TWO points and also held James Sutherland to just FIVE, 3 of which came on a 3-pointer in the last minute!
Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 29, 2013, 02:38 PM
Im not surprised to see Cuse where they are, they have as good of a starting lineup as anyone, watching them often struggle in conference play was alarming, but theyve put it together and look good. Theyll go as far as MC-W and Southerland take them.
Yup. :beer:
Im honestly surprised the game was as close as it was with how bad both of them played. Must have been that vaunted Cuse zone!
Quote from: Ruckus on Apr 07, 2013, 01:29 PM
I am thankful for Michigan as I've bet them each round and they've covered each round. That tells me the public and Vegas continually underrate them. They don't have a real superstar but four of their starters will be 1st round picks (McGary, Hardaway, Robinson, and Burke) and a great coach in Bielein yet every one picks against them.
I like Michigan +4 and think they will win outright. They have done an extraordinary job adjusting to new defenses coming from the straight up man to man of the Big 10. Having played VCU already will benefit them in their short preparation time for Louisville.
Michigan 73-Louisville 70
Agreed. I didnt bet the Florida game, but took Michigan every other game, although the Kansas game was more as a hedge. I like them +4 tomorrow, and also wouldnt be surprised if they won outright. Michigan was the worst possible matchup for VCU, and the same can be said for Louisville but no one seems to be bringing that up again now. The Shockers handled the press great for 35 minutes, and thats why they were winning much of the game.
I was also surprised how noticeable not having Ware was, his loss really limits their ability to keep their guards fresh and the press as active. They definitely will need Russ Smith to have another big game if theyre gonna win IMO. If he gets less than 15pts, heck maybe even 20pts, I dont see Louisville winning. I was impressed Louisville was able to win with Dieng being so quiet, although just his presence on the court effects the other teams play on the interior even without him putting up stats. Him vs McGary should be fun to watch.
yep, everyone is saying Michigan now but no one had them winning their bracket; funny how that works :grin:
Quote from: Mr. White on Apr 07, 2013, 09:24 PM
There are only 4 teams left in both of the NCAA Division I Basketball Tournaments, and half of them are from Louisville, Kentucky!
(http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o583/Darkstarflashes/2013MenandWomensFinalFourLogos_zps2d479df1.jpg)
Congrats to Louisville on getting to the national title game in both the men's and women's tournaments in the same year. They're only the 3rd school to do that. Duke lost both games in 1999 and UConn won both games in 2004.
Three of the four combined finalists are from the Big East.
Five of the eight combined Final Four teams were from the Big East.
Is there really still an argument over which conference is best in hoops?
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Apr 07, 2013, 10:37 PM
yep, everyone is saying Michigan now but no one had them winning their bracket; funny how that works :grin:
well i had them in my final four in all my brackets (bet them each round) and had Louisville going out in the elite 8 so what am I supposed to do.
Hey Scotty. I do think the press will give them trouble because neither Burke nor Albrecht are really quick with the ball. The advantage they do have is Mcgary can handle for a big and their wings are good finishers if they are able to get numbers. While the two point guard set worked against VCU, having Albrecht and Burke on the court over the course of the game really takes away from the Michigan O.
Hope it's a good game.
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Quote from: Mr. White on Apr 07, 2013, 09:24 PM
There are only 4 teams left in both of the NCAA Division I Basketball Tournaments, and half of them are from Louisville, Kentucky!
(http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o583/Darkstarflashes/2013MenandWomensFinalFourLogos_zps2d479df1.jpg)
Congrats to Louisville on getting to the national title game in both the men's and women's tournaments in the same year. They're only the 3rd school to do that. Duke lost both games in 1999 and UConn won both games in 2004.
Three of the four combined finalists are from the Big East.
Five of the eight combined Final Four teams were from the Big East.
Is there really still an argument over which conference is best in hoops?
You didnt just use womens bball to make an argument for best basketball conference, right?! :grin: :grin: :grin:
Quote from: capt. scotty on Apr 08, 2013, 02:08 PM
Quote from: Tired Eyes on Apr 08, 2013, 01:49 AM
Quote from: Mr. White on Apr 07, 2013, 09:24 PM
There are only 4 teams left in both of the NCAA Division I Basketball Tournaments, and half of them are from Louisville, Kentucky!
(http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o583/Darkstarflashes/2013MenandWomensFinalFourLogos_zps2d479df1.jpg)
Congrats to Louisville on getting to the national title game in both the men's and women's tournaments in the same year. They're only the 3rd school to do that. Duke lost both games in 1999 and UConn won both games in 2004.
Three of the four combined finalists are from the Big East.
Five of the eight combined Final Four teams were from the Big East.
Is there really still an argument over which conference is best in hoops?
You didnt just use womens bball to make an argument for best basketball conference, right?! :grin: :grin: :grin:
I surely did. The "Wizard of Westwood" himself, John Wooden, said that the women play the game the right way.
If you want to disagree with Coach Wooden about basketball, go right ahead...
:grin:
Quote from: Ruckus on Apr 08, 2013, 11:32 AM
Hey Scotty. I do think the press will give them trouble because neither Burke nor Albrecht are really quick with the ball. The advantage they do have is Mcgary can handle for a big and their wings are good finishers if they are able to get numbers. While the two point guard set worked against VCU, having Albrecht and Burke on the court over the course of the game really takes away from the Michigan O.
Of course theyll have a few turnovers due to the press, thats inevitable, but Michigan averages the least TO's/game in NCAA I believe. Wouldnt surprise me if they go to that 2 PG set early, but settle with their typical guys. I think Hardaway, Stauskas, GR III can all handle well enough. Like I said earlier, I also think losing Ware hurts their press and LVilles ability to keep their guards fresh.
Quote from: Tired Eyes on Apr 08, 2013, 02:14 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Apr 08, 2013, 02:08 PM
Quote from: Tired Eyes on Apr 08, 2013, 01:49 AM
Quote from: Mr. White on Apr 07, 2013, 09:24 PM
There are only 4 teams left in both of the NCAA Division I Basketball Tournaments, and half of them are from Louisville, Kentucky!
(http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o583/Darkstarflashes/2013MenandWomensFinalFourLogos_zps2d479df1.jpg)
Congrats to Louisville on getting to the national title game in both the men's and women's tournaments in the same year. They're only the 3rd school to do that. Duke lost both games in 1999 and UConn won both games in 2004.
Three of the four combined finalists are from the Big East.
Five of the eight combined Final Four teams were from the Big East.
Is there really still an argument over which conference is best in hoops?
You didnt just use womens bball to make an argument for best basketball conference, right?! :grin: :grin: :grin:
I surely did. The "Wizard of Westwood" himself, John Wooden, said that the women play the game the right way.
If you want to disagree with Coach Wooden about basketball, go right ahead...
:grin:
They do play fundamentally sound bball, I wont argue with that, but the same 10 teams are the best every year. Same teams get the best players/recruits every year, and those best players stay 4 years unlike mens bball. Literally this is the first time Ive ever heard someone use women's bball to support an argument for mens bball, but if that makes you think the Big East is the best, then by all means.
Also, the Big East wont exist next year so enjoy it while it lasts! Well, maybe it will still exist in womens bball, cant say Ive followed it that closely :grin:
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Quote from: capt. scotty on Apr 08, 2013, 02:08 PM
Quote from: Tired Eyes on Apr 08, 2013, 01:49 AM
Quote from: Mr. White on Apr 07, 2013, 09:24 PM
There are only 4 teams left in both of the NCAA Division I Basketball Tournaments, and half of them are from Louisville, Kentucky!
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Congrats to Louisville on getting to the national title game in both the men's and women's tournaments in the same year. They're only the 3rd school to do that. Duke lost both games in 1999 and UConn won both games in 2004.
Three of the four combined finalists are from the Big East.
Five of the eight combined Final Four teams were from the Big East.
Is there really still an argument over which conference is best in hoops?
You didnt just use womens bball to make an argument for best basketball conference, right?! :grin: :grin: :grin:
I surely did. The "Wizard of Westwood" himself, John Wooden, said that the women play the game the right way.
If you want to disagree with Coach Wooden about basketball, go right ahead...
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They do play fundamentally sound bball, I wont argue with that, but the same 10 teams are the best every year. Same teams get the best players/recruits every year, and those best players stay 4 years unlike mens bball. Literally this is the first time Ive ever heard someone use women's bball to support an argument for mens bball, but if that makes you think the Big East is the best, then by all means.
Also, the Big East wont exist next year so enjoy it while it lasts! Well, maybe it will still exist in womens bball, cant say Ive followed it that closely :grin:
Notre Dame is moving to the ACC in basketball so the ND-UConn rivalry will likely cease to exist.
Two of the number one seeds made the Final Four in the women's tournament. That's just one more than in the men's tournament so not much difference there.
For all the talk about parity in men's hoops, where is the Mid-Major team that has won a title? Oh yeah...there isn't one. Michigan won in 1989 and Louisville won in 1980 and 1986. So whoever wins tonight, it will be a team that has already won.
A 16 seed beat a 1 seed some years back in the women's tournament (Harvard over Stanford). A 16 seed has never beaten a 1 seed in the men's tournament.
I certainly have enjoyed the Big East while it lasted, and will miss it. I would think any fan of college BBall would too. Love it or hate it, the conference was good for the game.
In the Big East's 34 years of existence, its teams have made 16 Final Four appearances, the most of any conference during that time. Georgetown, Syracuse, Villanova and UConn have combined to win six national championships during that same span, which is only bested by the ACC's 10 titles. They also were the first conference ever to send three teams to a Final Four in 1985 in Georgetown, St. John's, and Villanova.
I'll be pulling for Louisville tonight to make it seven,and put a fitting cap on the Great Big East!
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Quote from: ericm on Apr 08, 2013, 02:39 PM
In the Big East's 34 years of existence, its teams have made 16 Final Four appearances, the most of any conference during that time. Georgetown, Syracuse, Villanova and UConn have combined to win six national championships during that same span, which is only bested by the ACC's 10 titles.
I don't know where you get your stats, but the Final 4 # is wrong and the SEC also has 6 titles. Here are the official stats for the past 32 years.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/ncaatourneys/report_conf_appearances (http://statsheet.com/mcb/ncaatourneys/report_conf_appearances)
Final 4's since 1980ACC-29
Big 10- 20
SEC- 18
Big East- 18
Championships since 1980ACC-10
SEC-6
Big East- 6
Big 10- 4
When I think of basketball championships, I think ACC or Big East. Those 2 conferences are clearly the best 2 over the past few decades. When the Big East emerged in the mid 80's as a powerhouse, it was a magical time and the Big East tournament was ALWAYS the best!
Quote from: Mr. White on Apr 08, 2013, 04:20 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Apr 08, 2013, 02:15 PM
Quote from: Ruckus on Apr 08, 2013, 11:32 AM
Hey Scotty. I do think the press will give them trouble because neither Burke nor Albrecht are really quick with the ball. The advantage they do have is Mcgary can handle for a big and their wings are good finishers if they are able to get numbers. While the two point guard set worked against VCU, having Albrecht and Burke on the court over the course of the game really takes away from the Michigan O.
Of course theyll have a few turnovers due to the press, thats inevitable, but Michigan averages the least TO's/game in NCAA I believe. Wouldnt surprise me if they go to that 2 PG set early, but settle with their typical guys. I think Hardaway, Stauskas, GR III can all handle well enough. Like I said earlier, I also think losing Ware hurts their press and LVilles ability to keep their guards fresh.
It didn't seem to bother Louisville too much the day Ware broke his leg. If I remember correctly, LOUISVILLE STOMPED ON DUKE'S DICKS IN THE SECOND HALF (Without Ware), AND WON BY 22 POINTS! Each game is different, though. We will just have to wait and see.
They played 25 minutes in that game without Ware. Theyll play 40 minutes tonight without him. Not like he was one of their 5 best players, so its not a big loss and doesnt diminish their chances much, but it could end up being the difference.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Apr 08, 2013, 04:22 PM
Quote from: ericm on Apr 08, 2013, 02:39 PM
In the Big East's 34 years of existence, its teams have made 16 Final Four appearances, the most of any conference during that time. Georgetown, Syracuse, Villanova and UConn have combined to win six national championships during that same span, which is only bested by the ACC's 10 titles.
I don't know where you get your stats, but the Final 4 # is wrong and the SEC also has 6 titles. Here are the official stats for the past 32 years.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/ncaatourneys/report_conf_appearances (http://statsheet.com/mcb/ncaatourneys/report_conf_appearances)
Final 4's since 1980
ACC-29
Big 10- 20
SEC- 18
Big East- 18
Championships since 1980
ACC-10
SEC-6
Big East- 6
Big 10- 4
When I think of basketball championships, I think ACC or Big East. Those 2 conferences are clearly the best 2 over the past few decades. When the Big East emerged in the mid 80's as a powerhouse, it was a magical time and the Big East tournament was ALWAYS the best!
Wow. When I saw that 16 number, I thought it was low for the BE,and especially as being the most for any conference. I really didn't give it much more thought as it was from a Big East Site. Hard to believe they would screw up their own numbers, but they obviously have. Fluffing them as bing the most of any conference is one thing, but they didn't even have their appearance number right :rolleyes: I guess it's possible they hadn't updated to include L'Ville, and Cuse from this year, but no matter, they still screwed the rest up.
Thanks for the link, and listing the correct #'s. :beer: I definitely agree about their emergence, and Tourney. :thumbsup:
Quote from: capt. scotty on Apr 08, 2013, 04:46 PM
Quote from: Mr. White on Apr 08, 2013, 04:20 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Apr 08, 2013, 02:15 PM
Quote from: Ruckus on Apr 08, 2013, 11:32 AM
Hey Scotty. I do think the press will give them trouble because neither Burke nor Albrecht are really quick with the ball. The advantage they do have is Mcgary can handle for a big and their wings are good finishers if they are able to get numbers. While the two point guard set worked against VCU, having Albrecht and Burke on the court over the course of the game really takes away from the Michigan O.
Of course theyll have a few turnovers due to the press, thats inevitable, but Michigan averages the least TO's/game in NCAA I believe. Wouldnt surprise me if they go to that 2 PG set early, but settle with their typical guys. I think Hardaway, Stauskas, GR III can all handle well enough. Like I said earlier, I also think losing Ware hurts their press and LVilles ability to keep their guards fresh.
It didn't seem to bother Louisville too much the day Ware broke his leg. If I remember correctly, LOUISVILLE STOMPED ON DUKE'S DICKS IN THE SECOND HALF (Without Ware), AND WON BY 22 POINTS! Each game is different, though. We will just have to wait and see.
They played 25 minutes in that game without Ware. Theyll play 40 minutes tonight without him. Not like he was one of their 5 best players, so its not a big loss and doesnt diminish their chances much, but it could end up being the difference.
Well, we'll know pretty soon! I won't be surprised if either team wins. My head says Louisville, but something in my gut says Michigan may be a team of destiny (or a team that used up their 9 lives).
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Apr 08, 2013, 06:17 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Apr 08, 2013, 04:46 PM
Quote from: Mr. White on Apr 08, 2013, 04:20 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Apr 08, 2013, 02:15 PM
Quote from: Ruckus on Apr 08, 2013, 11:32 AM
Hey Scotty. I do think the press will give them trouble because neither Burke nor Albrecht are really quick with the ball. The advantage they do have is Mcgary can handle for a big and their wings are good finishers if they are able to get numbers. While the two point guard set worked against VCU, having Albrecht and Burke on the court over the course of the game really takes away from the Michigan O.
Of course theyll have a few turnovers due to the press, thats inevitable, but Michigan averages the least TO's/game in NCAA I believe. Wouldnt surprise me if they go to that 2 PG set early, but settle with their typical guys. I think Hardaway, Stauskas, GR III can all handle well enough. Like I said earlier, I also think losing Ware hurts their press and LVilles ability to keep their guards fresh.
It didn't seem to bother Louisville too much the day Ware broke his leg. If I remember correctly, LOUISVILLE STOMPED ON DUKE'S DICKS IN THE SECOND HALF (Without Ware), AND WON BY 22 POINTS! Each game is different, though. We will just have to wait and see.
They played 25 minutes in that game without Ware. Theyll play 40 minutes tonight without him. Not like he was one of their 5 best players, so its not a big loss and doesnt diminish their chances much, but it could end up being the difference.
Well, we'll know pretty soon! I won't be surprised if either team wins. My head says Louisville, but something in my gut says Michigan may be a team of destiny (or a team that used up their 9 lives).
All I hope for is a good game not decided by a 50/50 call in the last minute.
Regardless of the outcome, what a sports year for Louisville :thumbsup: :beer:
Quote from: Ruckus on Apr 08, 2013, 07:41 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Apr 08, 2013, 06:17 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Apr 08, 2013, 04:46 PM
Quote from: Mr. White on Apr 08, 2013, 04:20 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Apr 08, 2013, 02:15 PM
Quote from: Ruckus on Apr 08, 2013, 11:32 AM
Hey Scotty. I do think the press will give them trouble because neither Burke nor Albrecht are really quick with the ball. The advantage they do have is Mcgary can handle for a big and their wings are good finishers if they are able to get numbers. While the two point guard set worked against VCU, having Albrecht and Burke on the court over the course of the game really takes away from the Michigan O.
Of course theyll have a few turnovers due to the press, thats inevitable, but Michigan averages the least TO's/game in NCAA I believe. Wouldnt surprise me if they go to that 2 PG set early, but settle with their typical guys. I think Hardaway, Stauskas, GR III can all handle well enough. Like I said earlier, I also think losing Ware hurts their press and LVilles ability to keep their guards fresh.
It didn't seem to bother Louisville too much the day Ware broke his leg. If I remember correctly, LOUISVILLE STOMPED ON DUKE'S DICKS IN THE SECOND HALF (Without Ware), AND WON BY 22 POINTS! Each game is different, though. We will just have to wait and see.
They played 25 minutes in that game without Ware. Theyll play 40 minutes tonight without him. Not like he was one of their 5 best players, so its not a big loss and doesnt diminish their chances much, but it could end up being the difference.
Well, we'll know pretty soon! I won't be surprised if either team wins. My head says Louisville, but something in my gut says Michigan may be a team of destiny (or a team that used up their 9 lives).
All I hope for is a good game not decided by a 50/50 call in the last minute.
Regardless of the outcome, what a sports year for Louisville :thumbsup: :beer:
Here's to Ruckus winning the cool dimes he dropped on Michigan and Louisville winning the title :beer:
If Dieng is consistently allowed to goaltend, gonna be a long night for UM.
Nice start from Burke though.
What a 1st half. Shouldve put Burke back in there for the last 2-3 minutes, but hindsight is 20/20, right Tracy?
I hope the 2nd half is as good as the first but I got a bad feeling for louisville. Sorry but I think Michigan is to strong on the offensive boards.
Quote from: capt. scotty on Apr 08, 2013, 10:21 PM
What a 1st half. Shouldve put Burke back in there for the last 2-3 minutes, but hindsight is 20/20, right Tracy?
I got a bad feeling the refs are going to fuck this up
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Apr 08, 2013, 10:41 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Apr 08, 2013, 10:21 PM
What a 1st half. Shouldve put Burke back in there for the last 2-3 minutes, but hindsight is 20/20, right Tracy?
I got a bad feeling the refs are going to fuck this up
Wouldnt surprise me in the least, either way, the way this tourney has been officiated.
Sketchy calls. Although they aren't one sided. Shit calls on both ends.
Congrats Cards. Great game.
Great game!! Congrats Louisville Cardinals,and the whole city of Louisville. Enjoy your championship. :beer:
wow, what a game! I really don't recall a "lull" in the entire game.Too bad they called Burke's block on Siva a foul b/c that was an amazing play. Michigan ran out of gas from the relentless press and down low Behanan just took over. Plus Albrecht returned to earth in the 2nd half. That was a combination track meet-street fight.
GOD DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!
Congrats to Louisville tonight! They were the better team when it's all said and done. That was one HELL of a basketball game and I'm glad Michigan was a part of that damn fine basketball game. I'm pissed as hell we didn't bring it home, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over the fact that we lost to a better team. Louisville was also not a bad team to lose to as I KNOW I would have been rooting for the Cards had they been playing anyone but Michigan. :cool: Oh, I was cheering for WSU too, but that was only because I feared UL more... :cool: :beer:
As happy I am at how much this Michigan team accomplished this season, losing still SUCKS! :undecided:
Incredible Game! Incredible season!! So happy for The Cardinals, what a great team and they've been so fun to watch!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
yeah!!
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I can't fucking believe that we won that title. I'm on campus right now and i dont think I need to point out how dead it is. Also, everyone that goes to louisville seems to have forgotten about responsibility. I love it. This whole week is gonna be crazy now.
Quote from: e_wind on Apr 09, 2013, 02:25 PM
I can't fucking believe that we won that title. I'm on campus right now and i dont think I need to point out how dead it is. Also, everyone that goes to louisville seems to have forgotten about responsibility. I love it. This whole week is gonna be crazy now.
Awesome man! Congrats to you and Sunflwr and Mr. White and all you other Cardinals fans out there. :beer: Helluva game
good thing no one went out for the girls game last night! embarrassing
I don't follow girls basketball but isn't it pretty GREAT they made it all the way to the Championship game???
Everyone seems pretty proud even though they didn't win.
Congrats to the Louisville men on their national title.
Congrats to the UConn women on their national title.
This is UConn's 8th national title in women's hoops. They are now tied with Tennessee for the most NCAA women's titles.
As far as men's and women's titles combined, UConn has now tied UCLA for first place with 11 total titles.
Of the 5 UConn women who were in double figures, only Kelly Faris is a senior.
The Huskies look to be a contender for next season's title. :thumbsup:
Quote from: e_wind on Apr 09, 2013, 12:56 AM
GOD DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!
I came here to check your reaction. I'm happy for you and all Louisville fans. Being a Michigan fan, I was bummed. But it was an incredible and very entertaining game.
Quote from: capt. scotty on Apr 07, 2013, 07:51 PM
I like them +4 tomorrow, and also wouldnt be surprised if they won outright. Michigan was the worst possible matchup for VCU, and the same can be said for Louisville but no one seems to be bringing that up again now. The Shockers handled the press great for 35 minutes, and thats why they were winning much of the game.
They definitely will need Russ Smith to have another big game if theyre gonna win IMO. If he gets less than 15pts, heck maybe even 20pts, I dont see Louisville winning.
just sayin
GO CARDS!
Well, if you consider the horrible foul call on Burke v Siva that was a block, and the horrible missed goaltending on Dieng early in the game, thats a clear +4 for Michigan. The refs were bad both ways, but thats a clear 2 points for UM and not 2 for UL. Ill just stop there....
just sayin
According to that theory then The Cardinals would have won 80-78. or 82-80.
just sayin'
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Quote from: capt. scotty on Apr 12, 2013, 01:57 PM
Well, if you consider the horrible foul call on Burke v Siva that was a block, and the horrible missed goaltending on Dieng early in the game, thats a clear +4 for Michigan. The refs were bad both ways, but thats a clear 2 points for UM and not 2 for UL. Ill just stop there....
just sayin
you still need 3 more points, just sayin...
If Burke had hit his last 3 or maybe if they covered Luke better? Or how about Michigan hits its free throws? 18-25? at least 3 more points there. 12 turnovers anyone? maybe cost them a point or 2 or 3?
In fact, you break it down to things Michigan had control over, they should have won easily, probably like 86-76.
Just sayin
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Apr 12, 2013, 06:37 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Apr 12, 2013, 01:57 PM
Well, if you consider the horrible foul call on Burke v Siva that was a block, and the horrible missed goaltending on Dieng early in the game, thats a clear +4 for Michigan. The refs were bad both ways, but thats a clear 2 points for UM and not 2 for UL. Ill just stop there....
just sayin
you still need 3 more points, just sayin...
If Burke had hit his last 3 or maybe if they covered Luke better? Or how about Michigan hits its free throws? 18-25? at least 3 more points there. 12 turnovers anyone? maybe cost them a point or 2 or 3?
In fact, you break it down to things Michigan had control over, they should have won easily, probably like 86-76.
Just sayin
Im not talking about "what if's", thats why I left it at those 2 plays that were clearly 4 pts in Louisville's favor (as they were called) that had everybody saying WTF as soon as they occurred.
Quote from: capt. scotty on Apr 12, 2013, 01:57 PM
Well, if you consider the horrible foul call on Burke v Siva that was a block, and the horrible missed goaltending on Dieng early in the game, thats a clear +4 for Michigan. The refs were bad both ways, but thats a clear 2 points for UM and not 2 for UL. Ill just stop there....
just sayin
Quote from: LBSUNFLWR on Apr 12, 2013, 02:40 PM
According to that theory then The Cardinals would have won 80-78. or 82-80.
just sayin'
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-3 - the charge that should've been called against hardaway when albrecht hit his 2nd 3
God gorgui's first foul was a joke, albrecht then hits his 3rd 3. We wouldn't have gotten the ball, but horrible call.
Foul on Hancock at 5:30 was absolutely ridiculous
-3 -Siva steal where he was called for a bogus foul. Leads to a Hardaway three.
Not to mention all the horrible push offs by hardaway all night long
This is kinda fun. Looks like we should've won by double digits if you ask ME.
just sayin.
GO CARDS
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Great play! Too bad Michigan wasn't good enough to get it done.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Apr 14, 2013, 10:34 PM
Great play! Too bad Michigan wasn't good enough to get it done.
At least Michigan was good enough to get to the championship game to play for the chance to get it done. There are 345 Div 1 basketball teams (including Ole Miss) who wish they were good enough to make it to the NCAA Finals... :beer:
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Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Apr 14, 2013, 10:34 PM
Great play! Too bad Michigan wasn't good enough to get it done.
At least Michigan was good enough to get to the championship game to play for the chance to get it done. There are 345 Div 1 basketball teams (including Ole Miss) who wish they were good enough to make it to the NCAA Finals... :beer:
Dropping Ole Miss' name in a discussion about the NCAA Championship game!?!?!?! :shocked:
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YES!!! HE'S COMING BACK!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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What makes it the right decision? I get that it's a great thing for Louisville fans and the program. I'm not trying to be a jerk but I never understood fans that judge a player's decision to stay or leave. In what other profession is one castigated for attempting to maximize their earning potential.
I don't think there was a right or wrong decision, but I was happy to hear him say he wanted to stay to graduate, and that no one in his family has ever graduated college and it is important to him and his parents that he be the first.
Quote from: LBSUNFLWR on Apr 25, 2013, 02:55 PM
I don't think there was a right or wrong decision, but I was happy to hear him say he wanted to stay to graduate, and that no one in his family has ever graduated college and it is important to him and his parents that he be the first.
I agree with this. it's nice to see players like Marcus Smart and Russ Smith emphasize the college experience more so than talking draft stock. You can only be a kid and king of campus once.
Regardless, we as fans have no idea what's right. There are so many things said by fans that have no basis in fact. One is to go back to school to improve your game. Where is one likely to improve more rapidly? Being a professional living and breathing basketball and practicing against the best in the world with a real three point line or dominating inferior competition? Secondly, as with 401ks, the earlier you start, the more you make. In all the misguided discussion of improving draft stock is the loss of another year of earnings at the back end of his career whether it be a veteran minimum in the NBA, a huge deal, or a hanging on deal in Asia or Europe. It may benefit him in the short run but no one knows long term. If he turns into little AI, he's getting his max contract a year earlier. What Pitino said is just paying lip service.
Enjoy the college experience. The graduation thing is lip service to. Any player can complete their senior workload part time or online and graduate after turning pro if they wanted to.
I wish I had left after my Junior year; I stayed and tore up my knee and the NBA wouldn't even look at me. I played a little while in the Danish League with the Svendborg Rabbits, but I was too scared to jump and got cut pretty quickly. Hell, I couldn't even set a fruity pick. :undecided:
Had I come out my junior year you mother fuckers would be carrying my toast and another of you ass clowns would be carrying the butter because I sure as fuck would be carrying the jam!
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I wish I had left after my Junior year; I stayed and tore up my knee and the NBA wouldn't even look at me. I played a little while in the Danish League with the Svendborg Rabbits, but I was too scared to jump and got cut pretty quickly. Hell, I couldn't even set a fruity pick. :undecided:
Had I come out my junior year you mother fuckers would be carrying my toast and another of you ass clowns would be carrying the butter because I sure as fuck would be carrying the jam!
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Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Apr 25, 2013, 04:12 PM
I wish I had left after my Junior year; I stayed and tore up my knee and the NBA wouldn't even look at me. I played a little while in the Danish League with the Svendborg Rabbits, but I was too scared to jump and got cut pretty quickly. Hell, I couldn't even set a fruity pick. :undecided:
Had I come out my junior year you mother fuckers would be carrying my toast and another of you ass clowns would be carrying the butter because I sure as fuck would be carrying the jam!
I'm friends with coach Matthiassen of the Rabbits. He told me the injury insurance payment you received was your undoing, adrift in a sea of Estonian escorts.
Anthony Bennett is the first Canadian to go No. 1! Next year Andrew Wiggins will be the second Canuck to go No. 1. Kansas Jayhawks fans are gonna love this kid.
I think that was the right pick, not really sold on anyone in this draft, but that kid can score from both inside and out.
I havent seen much of Bennett, so no comment on him, but I think Oladipo and Trey Burke are the 2 safest picks of the draft. I think both will be very good NBA players, and really I dont think most of the other guys ceilings/potential are so high where theyre worth taking over either of the aforementioned
Cards and PONES tonight!!! SMU home winning streak is on the line! Can't wait.