They aren't advertised as no-repeats. In the past, RR 2 night run, OBH, the Wiltern and Port Chester were advertised as no repeats. Since its behind a new album, I would think that it is possible that they will repeat some. That would definitely make my decision between Chicago and RR a lot easier. Any insight peoples? Have they ever done a run that was heavy with repeats? Chicago 08? SF 06?
Chicago 08 had 13 repeats, 6 of them being new album songs.
Quote from: e_wind on Mar 04, 2015, 09:47 AM
They aren't advertised as no-repeats. In the past, RR 2 night run, OBH, the Wiltern and Port Chester were advertised as no repeats. Since its behind a new album, I would think that it is possible that they will repeat some. That would definitely make my decision between Chicago and RR a lot easier. Any insight peoples? Have they ever done a run that was heavy with repeats? Chicago 08? SF 06?
OBH wasn't billed as no repeats. Though that was a special event. Someone posted elsewhere that they talked to Carl and it was safe to assume they would just be doing no repeats on multi night runs going forward. I could see them playing a few of the new songs repeated. I do hope it's not the case as I will be flying a long way for all three nights.
Quote from: justbcuzido on Mar 04, 2015, 10:08 AM
Quote from: e_wind on Mar 04, 2015, 09:47 AM
They aren't advertised as no-repeats. In the past, RR 2 night run, OBH, the Wiltern and Port Chester were advertised as no repeats. Since its behind a new album, I would think that it is possible that they will repeat some. That would definitely make my decision between Chicago and RR a lot easier. Any insight peoples? Have they ever done a run that was heavy with repeats? Chicago 08? SF 06?
OBH wasn't billed as no repeats. Though that was a special event. Someone posted elsewhere that they talked to Carl and it was safe to assume they would just be doing no repeats on multi night runs going forward. I could see them playing a few of the new songs repeated. I do hope it's not the case as I will be flying a long way for all three nights.
cool!
I'm sticking with them being no repeats until I see otherwise. Carl told Mr. Whippy, and me after the Asbury Park Sandy benefit show that it's a given multi nighters would be no repeats. He even added something to the effect of " why does anyone even question that anymore? We love coming up with the setlists for those shows and playing them. Yes, take multi nighters as no repeats unless it's billed otherwise."
That's good enough for me, and unless they say something like they're playing the whole new album every night or something, I'm going with there being no repeats, and picking my shows accordingly. I'll be doing at least one multi nighter on each leg of the tour, plus a couple of choice one nighters.
I would expect, if anything, 2-3 new album songs that are their favorites to play would MAYBE be repeated over two nights. But no more than that. I think it's safe to say that if you go to Chicago, you may not get 100% unique nights, but they will be mostly unique and certainly a wider selection of songs than 1 night at Red Rocks.
Quote from: MOWJO8185 on Mar 04, 2015, 11:01 AM
I would expect, if anything, 2-3 new album songs that are their favorites to play would MAYBE be repeated over two nights. But no more than that. I think it's safe to say that if you go to Chicago, you may not get 100% unique nights, but they will be mostly unique and certainly a wider selection of songs than 1 night at Red Rocks.
I see the multi nighters as them having a chance to play the whole new album over the run. 3-4 new songs each night on three nighters, or 5-6 on the two nighters. JMHO.
Quote from: MOWJO8185 on Mar 04, 2015, 11:01 AM
I would expect, if anything, 2-3 new album songs that are their favorites to play would MAYBE be repeated over two nights. But no more than that. I think it's safe to say that if you go to Chicago, you may not get 100% unique nights, but they will be mostly unique and certainly a wider selection of songs than 1 night at Red Rocks.
of course it will be a larger variety than at one night anywhere, but 1 night at red rocks is equivalent to multi-nighters if the situation is right. If the RR roll call gets big, I'll probably be there.
Random question: is there an option to buy all 3 nights during the pre sale or am I going to have to go through the ordering process 3 times?
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if I recall correctly, they didn't officially say no repeats for the Wiltern until a couple weeks prior to the shows.
I know I already had my tickets well in advance
Quote from: ericm on Mar 04, 2015, 11:10 AM
Quote from: MOWJO8185 on Mar 04, 2015, 11:01 AM
I would expect, if anything, 2-3 new album songs that are their favorites to play would MAYBE be repeated over two nights. But no more than that. I think it's safe to say that if you go to Chicago, you may not get 100% unique nights, but they will be mostly unique and certainly a wider selection of songs than 1 night at Red Rocks.
I see the multi nighters as them having a chance to play the whole new album over the run. 3-4 new songs each night on three nighters, or 5-6 on the two nighters. JMHO.
I'd love it if you were right. But it wouldn't shock me to see at least a couple new songs appear each night. Particularly over the 3 night Chicago stand, I would expect to see a couple new songs show up at least twice. Which is understandable - the tour is to promote the new album, after all, and 2-3 repeats over the course of two nights wouldn't be a big deal at all to me.
Quote from: ericm on Mar 04, 2015, 11:10 AM
Quote from: MOWJO8185 on Mar 04, 2015, 11:01 AM
I would expect, if anything, 2-3 new album songs that are their favorites to play would MAYBE be repeated over two nights. But no more than that. I think it's safe to say that if you go to Chicago, you may not get 100% unique nights, but they will be mostly unique and certainly a wider selection of songs than 1 night at Red Rocks.
I see the multi nighters as them having a chance to play the whole new album over the run. 3-4 new songs each night on three nighters, or 5-6 on the two nighters. JMHO.
Exactly. I don't think they will advertise the fact that it's no repeats because they don't feel the need to do so anymore (based on Carl's consistent conversations). I don't think it will be a bummer if they decided to play Big Decisions or another single more than once anyway.
Quote from: APR on Mar 04, 2015, 11:31 AM
Quote from: ericm on Mar 04, 2015, 11:10 AM
Quote from: MOWJO8185 on Mar 04, 2015, 11:01 AM
I would expect, if anything, 2-3 new album songs that are their favorites to play would MAYBE be repeated over two nights. But no more than that. I think it's safe to say that if you go to Chicago, you may not get 100% unique nights, but they will be mostly unique and certainly a wider selection of songs than 1 night at Red Rocks.
I see the multi nighters as them having a chance to play the whole new album over the run. 3-4 new songs each night on three nighters, or 5-6 on the two nighters. JMHO.
Exactly. I don't think they will advertise the fact that it's no repeats because they don't feel the need to do so anymore (based on Carl's consistent conversations). I don't think it will be a bummer if they decided to play Big Decisions or another single more than once anyway.
Agreed. I don't think a couple of new songs repeated is a big deal, and it wouldn't bother me on this leg of the tour. I doubt it would be much more than that, and certainly don't think any other songs get repeated.
Quote from: justbcuzido on Mar 04, 2015, 10:08 AM
Quote from: e_wind on Mar 04, 2015, 09:47 AM
They aren't advertised as no-repeats. In the past, RR 2 night run, OBH, the Wiltern and Port Chester were advertised as no repeats. Since its behind a new album, I would think that it is possible that they will repeat some. That would definitely make my decision between Chicago and RR a lot easier. Any insight peoples? Have they ever done a run that was heavy with repeats? Chicago 08? SF 06?
OBH wasn't billed as no repeats. Though that was a special event. Someone posted elsewhere that they talked to Carl and it was safe to assume they would just be doing no repeats on multi night runs going forward. I could see them playing a few of the new songs repeated. I do hope it's not the case as I will be flying a long way for all three nights.
There weren't any single night options for OBH, so billing it as such would have been somewhat redundant.
"why does anyone even question that anymore? We love coming up with the setlists for those shows and playing them. Yes, take multi nighters as no repeats unless it's billed otherwise."
With all due respect to Carl, if the band would just come out and state this officially, once and for all, we would stop asking. But with a new album, and with a new major record label, i don't think we are at fault for being curious, especially given the cost and the time off of work that will go into some of these adventures.
That said, i'm willing to take it on faith that each of the Chicago shows will be highly unique, even if there are a couple of repeats from the new album each night. What I'm leery about are the two-nighters. I just don't know about those two-nighters.
..but here's something I just thought of.... What if the band got sick of the standard album tour format, of going to a new city every night but being handcuffed by the idea that each city will want to hear most of the new album, plus most of their hits. The next city doesn't care that they just played wordless chorus in the previous one, they want to hear it too. So how do you fix that? Multi-night runs. Most cities probably can't support a three-nighter, hence the multitude of two-night shows.
Alright, i've convinced myself that this won't be an issue. New album and record label be damned. These are the same dudes and we should be thrilled by this tour schedule.
This thread is exactly what has been on my mind. Thanks for putting my worries at ease!
I agree there is no way these guys will play more than 5 repeats a night at most, I just don't see that happening.
I'll be hopping on the C-bus for the two night stay! Chicago is tempting, but it would be much more $$ and I can't afford that many vacation days this year. Forecastle will be my other show for now, until they add more dates of course. I'm still hoping for a late night MMJ Friday set at Forecastle or something awesome like that.
This tour schedule is the best thing I could imagine. I hate new album tours, because they leave so many rarities on the table. With the two and three night stays at so many places, who knows what will happen! I actually had a dream last night that I met Jim after the first Columbus show and requested Strangulation for night 2!
Take a deep breath everyone; this is going to be one hell of a summer!
Quote from: BigHerm on Mar 04, 2015, 11:19 AM
Random question: is there an option to buy all 3 nights during the pre sale or am I going to have to go through the ordering process 3 times?
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I asked Wonderful Union this question and it sounds like you can put multiple nights in one check out but there won't be an option to buy the same seats for a 2 or 3 night run. Monday at on sale will certainly be interesting...
this will certainly be very interesting.
Monday, it'll be quite interesting.
Quote from: Stevie on Mar 04, 2015, 01:28 PM
"why does anyone even question that anymore? We love coming up with the setlists for those shows and playing them. Yes, take multi nighters as no repeats unless it's billed otherwise."
With all due respect to Carl, if the band would just come out and state this officially, once and for all, we would stop asking. But with a new album, and with a new major record label, i don't think we are at fault for being curious, especially given the cost and the time off of work that will go into some of these adventures.
That said, i'm willing to take it on faith that each of the Chicago shows will be highly unique, even if there are a couple of repeats from the new album each night. What I'm leery about are the two-nighters. I just don't know about those two-nighters.
..but here's something I just thought of.... What if the band got sick of the standard album tour format, of going to a new city every night but being handcuffed by the idea that each city will want to hear most of the new album, plus most of their hits. The next city doesn't care that they just played wordless chorus in the previous one, they want to hear it too. So how do you fix that? Multi-night runs. Most cities probably can't support a three-nighter, hence the multitude of two-night shows.
Alright, i've convinced myself that this won't be an issue. New album and record label be damned. These are the same dudes and we should be thrilled by this tour schedule.
To be fair, Carl said that in the most laid back, joking way possible. It wasn't like he was in disbelief or pissed at the question. It was more like...."really? I thought it was obvious by now, but yeah, no repeats at multi nighters."
(i'll preface stating that i somewhat hate being the "this is business" post guy over and over again :undecided:)
I think we have to all take a step back here and remember that their job on album release tours is to SELL THE ALBUM. What is lost in all your posts is that multi-night runs only see about 20-25% repeat business. If they are SELLING AN ALBUM and when 75% of the crowd each night is hearing the new songs for the 1st time live its IMPERATIVE that they play the new songs each night, at least the 2-3 that they are gonna work to radio and digital. Do I believe repeats of "classics" on a multi-night run would be lame? Sure, and its safe to bet that won't be the case. Could you hear "Big Decisions" each night of a 3 show run? Heck yes, and its practically the band's responsibility to do so, regardless of what label they are on.
This forum/Roll Call is a nice bubble of super-fandom, collectively we need to have some sort of perspective on these things. Not every show can be NYE or OBH. We are blessed that a band in their place WANT to gig this often. Look at Arcade Fire for example...1 and done every tour except A-markets, no return dates EVER. We shouldn't really be upset WHAT MMJ plays, just cherish we GET to see them play at all.
(All this said, I sympathize with the financial commitment at all, just speaking on a wider note)
Quote from: ericm on Mar 04, 2015, 05:55 PM
Quote from: Stevie on Mar 04, 2015, 01:28 PM
"why does anyone even question that anymore? We love coming up with the setlists for those shows and playing them. Yes, take multi nighters as no repeats unless it's billed otherwise."
With all due respect to Carl, if the band would just come out and state this officially, once and for all, we would stop asking. But with a new album, and with a new major record label, i don't think we are at fault for being curious, especially given the cost and the time off of work that will go into some of these adventures.
That said, i'm willing to take it on faith that each of the Chicago shows will be highly unique, even if there are a couple of repeats from the new album each night. What I'm leery about are the two-nighters. I just don't know about those two-nighters.
..but here's something I just thought of.... What if the band got sick of the standard album tour format, of going to a new city every night but being handcuffed by the idea that each city will want to hear most of the new album, plus most of their hits. The next city doesn't care that they just played wordless chorus in the previous one, they want to hear it too. So how do you fix that? Multi-night runs. Most cities probably can't support a three-nighter, hence the multitude of two-night shows.
Alright, i've convinced myself that this won't be an issue. New album and record label be damned. These are the same dudes and we should be thrilled by this tour schedule.
To be fair, Carl said that in the most laid back, joking way possible. It wasn't like he was in disbelief or pissed at the question. It was more like...."really? I thought it was obvious by now, but yeah, no repeats at multi nighters."
Gotcha. Good to know.
Quote from: JerseyDan on Mar 04, 2015, 06:39 PM
(i'll preface stating that i somewhat hate being the "this is business" post guy over and over again :undecided:)
I think we have to all take a step back here and remember that their job on album release tours is to SELL THE ALBUM. What is lost in all your posts is that multi-night runs only see about 20-25% repeat business. If they are SELLING AN ALBUM and when 75% of the crowd each night is hearing the new songs for the 1st time live its IMPERATIVE that they play the new songs each night, at least the 2-3 that they are gonna work to radio and digital. Do I believe repeats of "classics" on a multi-night run would be lame? Sure, and its safe to bet that won't be the case. Could you hear "Big Decisions" each night of a 3 show run? Heck yes, and its practically the band's responsibility to do so, regardless of what label they are on.
This forum/Roll Call is a nice bubble of super-fandom, collectively we need to have some sort of perspective on these things. Not every show can be NYE or OBH. We are blessed that a band in their place WANT to gig this often. Look at Arcade Fire for example...1 and done every tour except A-markets, no return dates EVER. We shouldn't really be upset WHAT MMJ plays, just cherish we GET to see them play at all.
(All this said, I sympathize with the financial commitment at all, just speaking on a wider note)
Is 20-25% the average for all bands or is this based on a recent mmj run? To me there are two kinds of bands that do multi-night runs: A. Bands that are so popular that they have to play multiple nights in one city or they are throwing away money. The vast majority of these bands tend not to tour very much (like an arcade fire or a singer like katy perry) which also increases demand, and all but a small percentage of their fans will only go to one night. B. Bands like umphreys or mmj that have a smaller but much more dedicated fan base that would be more likely to attend multiple nights. I guess there is a third type and thats Phish who satisfy both criteria at once.
My point is that i would agree with you if this were 99% of other bands, but even while recognizing the super fan bubble that i live in i still believe that there are more repeat "customers" than just 25% for the big runs (not counting obh of course). But i could be flat outt wrong and even if im right it may not translate to no repeats. Time will tell.
Quote from: ditty on Mar 04, 2015, 04:31 PM
Quote from: BigHerm on Mar 04, 2015, 11:19 AM
Random question: is there an option to buy all 3 nights during the pre sale or am I going to have to go through the ordering process 3 times?
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I asked Wonderful Union this question and it sounds like you can put multiple nights in one check out but there won't be an option to buy the same seats for a 2 or 3 night run. Monday at on sale will certainly be interesting...
i hope that doesnt screw us over
Without getting into the "calculators" of it all, multi-night runs have many purposes:
1) Band is too small for the next sized space (big theater to shed or arena) and they can get that average 20-25% return business plus those unique fans who got shut out of the 1st (or 2nd) show.
2) playing the smaller venue multiple nights vs. the bigger venue costs less as there is only 1 load-in/1 load-out worth of labor to be paid. The expenses for hotels/expenses to keep the band & crew there vs. a house "nut" of full labor usually works in the band's favor
3) A band playing multiple "sure thing" plays before/after a more ambitious show.
MMJ may be a bit more than the 20-25% average...where as a jam-band could be more like 60%...a radio-hit band could be 10%. Phish...whole other conversation.
Of course when you talk of bands with huge songbooks (Black Crowes, jam bands, etc.) the ability to play no-repeat gigs is more viable. Go see Petty or Buffet or Bruce and you are gonna hear a few songs every night.
I think they've moved on from the repeating songs phase...maybe a new one here or there but that's probably about it
:cool:
Should we expect 2.5 hour shows this tour? Or more around 2 hours?
anyone's guess. mine would be that the chicago run will be about 22 songs per night as with other 3 nighters and that the two nighters and single nights will go between 22-28 songs per night.