Will the song "Oxen" be on Z? I really want a studio version of that... after Bonnaroo I can't sit still. I need, I need.
wait, they didn't play Oxen at Bonnaroo... or does it go by a different name or is that your point?
They were playing "oxen" as a new song when they were on their last tour of the US. I heard it a year ago last MAY, the 17th, in Omaha I believe. I also have a recording of it from a concert I got from that ftp site that floats around this forum; at the Opera House in Toronto on the 28th of May 2004. Jim said it was originally called "How Could I Know" so they changed the title to "Oxen" so it wouldn't get confused with "How Do You Know".
It was the first new Jacket song I had heard in a long time last year, and since then has become one of my favorites and I was suprised it wasn't performed at Bonnaroo; anyway, if anyone has any idea of what I am talking about and any inside as to if it appears on the new cd. That's about it.
They played "How Could I Know", "Oxen" in Knoxville. I would be suprised if it's not on the upcoming album. Great Song.....I Like "It Beats For You" but I wouldn't be devistated if they left it off the new album.
QuoteThey played "How Could I Know", "Oxen" in Knoxville. I would be suprised if it's not on the upcoming album. Great Song.....I Like "It Beats For You" but I wouldn't be devistated if they left it off the new album.
No idea if it's on it, but I wonder if they're trying out more of the new songs of late so that they get good practise with them. :)
I screwed up, they actually played, "How Do You Know" in Knoxville. My Bad.
QuoteThey played "How Could I Know", "Oxen" in Knoxville. I would be suprised if it's not on the upcoming album. Great Song.....I Like "It Beats For You" but I wouldn't be devistated if they left it off the new album.
yeah, i hope the don't waste any space on the new album for that song. need more balls out ROCK!! i also hope jim yells as much as he did on the record as he did in Athens 40 Watt club.
i asked two tone about it. he said they recorded both of those while they were at that awesome studio, but he isnt allowed to reveal anything about the tracklist.... so yes
hopefully oxen will be on there, but i think it beats 4 U would be a very skippable track, just because it gets very repetetive and long on the tooth
No It Beats For You fans huh? I dig it. very ethereal...i'm sure it would sound different as a studio recording though.
yeah true, it might do better as a studio track. But i just remember not really caring for it a ton, it gets kind of long
I almost prefer the acoustic version of 'It Beats 4 U' which is featured on the Jim James, Bright Eyes, M. Ward concert. I'm sure that Jim will be able to make t sound great in the studio.
QuoteI almost prefer the acoustic version of 'It Beats 4 U' which is featured on the Jim James, Bright Eyes, M. Ward concert. I'm sure that Jim will be able to make t sound great in the studio.
I also prefer the acoustic version much more.
It Beats 4 U doesn't last anywhere near long enough for me. I think it was the shortest number they played at Bonneroo 04.
It's sophistication is light years ahead of most recently composed rock music.
There's another thread with the tracklist for Z.........Oxen isn't on it.
QuoteThere's another thread with the tracklist for Z.........Oxen isn't on it.
However, we do know that Jim was trying to find a new name for it, so maybe it is on the tracklist and we just don't recognize the new name.
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However, we do know that Jim was trying to find a new name for it, so maybe it is on the tracklist and we just don't recognize the new name.
I thought about that, but the billboard article doesn't really describe a song like Oxen.
im not certain about it, but i think that thye song "knot comes loose" on z is actually the new version of "oxen". the way they played it at the cats cradle it was just slide guitar,keyboard and vocals. that fits the description billboard gives for that song. i could be wrong. i think i kind of like the version with drums better, though. oh and im pretty sure that the untilted new song from the recent chicago show is the song called "into the woods". the lyrics mention "over the river and into the woods".
That makes a lot of sense. I was really actually hopeing that acoustic song from chicago would make the album. Holy Crap....I hadn't listened to the version of Oxen from the Cats Cradle show yet, it is much different. Much more keyboard, Go Bo.
Quoteim not certain about it, but i think that thye song "knot comes loose" on z is actually the new version of "oxen". the way they played it at the cats cradle it was just slide guitar,keyboard and vocals. that fits the description billboard gives for that song. i could be wrong. i think i kind of like the version with drums better, though. oh and im pretty sure that the untilted new song from the recent chicago show is the song called "into the woods". the lyrics mention "over the river and into the woods".
is that the babies in blenders song?
I'm downloading the Cat's Cradle show right now, will i have any problem with the flac conversion, since its a 24 instead 16 whatever?
Yes the Babies in Blender song. You shouldn't have trouble playing 24 on your computer but you can't burn it to disc I think. There is a 16 bit source out there though.
Hmmm...I'm relistening to the Cat's Cradle show. I used to prefer the acoustic version of Oxen, but Jim's new invention box is growing on me. For anybody who hasn't downloaded this show, go get it. It's so worth it. Jim is hilarious this tour. It sounds like he's talking a ton, which is awesome.
"It is not bullshit and I can prove it later! If you wanna come out to the van later on I can prove it to you."
An his Alltell Powertel Arena stuff is awesome. EC, you are lucky to be at that show. I can't wait til October!
QuoteEC, you are lucky to be at that show.
Don't I know it. I really was. That was an amazing show. I've been trying to tell everybody to get it, but I think maybe I'm too enthusiastic about all things My Morning Jacket, and so it isn't as strong of an argument... ;D
Seriously dudes. If you want the best live version of Dondante, get this one. In my opinion, of course. Although, I wasn't at
every show, so a better one miiiiight exist. But I can't see how.
Not to mention the quality is awesome.
Haha, I can't stop laughing at the "It is not bullshit!" bit. Jim is awesome on his feet.
That and all the mindless "Play Cobraaaa!!!" from the audience.
"27 minutes!!!! Yeah!!"
QuoteThat and all the mindless "Play Cobraaaa!!!" from the audience.
"27 minutes!!!! Yeah!!"
Yeah, those dudes were just to my right. They kept making me laugh. :)
OXen and in2 the woods are NOT the same song
Oh, you may relax: they played 'One big holiday' live even before At dawn was released and then when it appeared, that song wasn't on it. But then it appeared in the album after that. So it'll probably surface one day. That said, I wish they'd finally come up with a full version of 'Sunrides and the girls scream'...
i can't believe you just said that....that song started off so beautiful then faded into "i will be there when you die" also another beautiful song...but i really wanted to hear the full verson of "sun rides"..
does anyone have a link to a full version?
There isn't one. Believe me, if there was, I'd know. :)
Figure dout the words (for the most part): if anyone has heard anything different, please post. I'm gonna play this for a gig next week, I wann try to get close to accurate
wanted to see your holy vow
wanted to feel the air come round (down?)
dirty thoughts occured to me then
couldve had em if i wanted
and all i could think of was *that song* (last summer?)
and that wonderful day (thing?)
shouldve known better
all those old letters
always wanted to read
woulda been nice if my
old devices wouldve
juuuuust let me be
How could I know?
(4x)
see you drivin home (over?)
with your nicotine filled smile
lay that down and roll with me now (?)
air goes in and sound comes out now
*and all i could think of is that song ( last summer)
and your wonderful thing day (?)* (sometimes this bit is left out)
shouldve known better
all those old letters
always wanted to read
woulda been nice if my
old devices wouldve
juuuuuust let me be
how could i know?
(4x)
yo, Eisey, I bumped this thread because I didn't want to muddy up the TABS thread even more than it already is, but do you really hear omnichord in 'Oxen'? I don't think they reproduce the sound of that open tuning with the omnichord.
Also, Beck plays his omnichord way more live than he does of his records. I'm just saying...
oh, I haven't listened to the album yet. I'm waitin for my vinyl to show up.
But I don't know.
Haha, you haven't heard it either. Nevermind.
But yeah, I don;t know, I'd hope that they stick to the acoustic, maybe the full band, but I really do love the atmosphere of the lonely acoustic on that song. Hopefully they'll blow us away though, I know they've known that we've been wantin it for a long time.
Well this answers my question...
The download of it is great. But I can see why it is a B-side because the songs on Z fit perfectly together, this one would be a little bit of a stretch.
Boy October sure is My Morning Jacket month. With Z out the 4th, Elizabethtown coming to theaters soon after, and then I'm seeing them at the end of the month in Minnesota... holy crap November is going to have a lot to live up to.
yeah, November already sucks.
and now they are on conan!! OCTOBER!!!
Fun reading through this. Spoiler alert...Oxen (How Could I Know) didn't make the cut for Z!
This song is a top 10 MMJ song for me, along with Where to Begin. I always see people commenting on inserting those songs into Z in place of Into the Woods or Knot Comes Loose. Although I love Oxen/WTB way more than either, I love Z the way it is. I've been super into the Z and earlier MMJ acoustic style songs like these two, Just one Thing, Bermuda, Hopefully, One And The Same, etc. I really loved the reverbed, more serious singing style without all the enunciation and theatrics. I hope Jim explores that sound again at some point. To me, that is the Jacket sound that gets me.
Also, damn this place is dead. Feel like the last human on earth exploring abandoned houses of old friends.
well at least the song is out there even though it didn't make the cut. Maybe one day they'll re-release Z with some bonus songs. One can only hope!!!
Quote from: ChiefOKONO on Dec 18, 2023, 01:01 PMwell at least the song is out there even though it didn't make the cut. Maybe one day they'll re-release Z with some bonus songs. One can only hope!!!
I would love those z b-sides on vinyl...
Quote from: ChiefOKONO on Dec 18, 2023, 01:01 PMwell at least the song is out there even though it didn't make the cut. Maybe one day they'll re-release Z with some bonus songs. One can only hope!!!
I suspect Z will get the 20th anniversary treatment later this year or early 2025.
They've played OXEN twice now in 2024!!! Come Closer as well! In the same show both times at OBH24 and San Francisco night II.