just curious. i'm dyin to see them and i'm in western KY.
i live in Bowling Green and saw them for my first time about 11 hours ago at Bonnaroo...it was amazing
oh and i won't be attending the Wilco show...i love them but on June 29th i'm seeing Robert Plant..don't want to overdue it.
Yo, I talked to the folks at the Palace and they said the Jacket is opening for Wilco on the 30th. Not to blow the cover--but, there have been several other posters guaranteeing a MMJ spot that night. So, if you haven't gotten your tickets for the show yet, you may want to do that right now. I think there are still a few left.
first of all, mmj is not playing with wilco at the palace. why would they open for a band in their home town? nobody has confirmed them playing at the palace. its not on this website or wilco's. do you really want to see mmj at the palace? they are making a huge mistake if they play there.
why would you want to be confined to a seat all night, can't move around, can't smoke, then be let down after mmj plays sitting there watching wilco. no thanks.
Quotefirst of all, mmj is not playing with wilco at the palace. why would they open for a band in their home town? nobody has confirmed them playing at the palace. its not on this website or wilco's. do you really want to see mmj at the palace? they are making a huge mistake if they play there.
why would you want to be confined to a seat all night, can't move around, can't smoke, then be let down after mmj plays sitting there watching wilco. no thanks.
First of all, there ARE playing the Palace. You ask, why would they want to open for someone in their own hometown. Well, for a chance to get to play the Palace ( which is a dream for any Louisville musician and Jim is no exception). The Palace is a beautiful place to see a show, it is legendary, and believe it or not, there is something nice about seeing them somehwere that's not smoky, sweaty, with a bunch of drunken assholes slamming into you (maybe when you're older you'll understand).
Oh yeah, and some people like Wilco. Maybe they didn't want people like going to the show who would be bored with Wilco and that's why it has not confirmed and goes unannounced. It is, however, going to happen and it's gonna be great!
well i just bought 2 tix about an hour ago, and i got orchestra seats row GG to the right of the stage which doesnt sound great, but not horrible either. hope to see some of yous there. ;D
dave
Just to offer a little more insight on why they might be opening and not announcing it. The person I talked you to said they that didn't want to be like Peace in the Jones. Peace in the Jones is a Lousiville band who plays one or concerts a year in Louisville around Derby time. I suppose that means that they don't want their concert-goers to just come because its more of an event or a get-together, not people coming to see a show that they are genuinely interested in enjoying the music. I think that opening for Wilco accomplishes this goal and the fact that they get to rock the palace just makes another dream come real.
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First of all, there ARE playing the Palace. You ask, why would they want to open for someone in their own hometown. Well, for a chance to get to play the Palace ( which is a dream for any Louisville musician and Jim is no exception). The Palace is a beautiful place to see a show, it is legendary, and believe it or not, there is something nice about seeing them somehwere that's not smoky, sweaty, with a bunch of drunken assholes slamming into you (maybe when you're older you'll understand).
Oh yeah, and some people like Wilco. Maybe they didn't want people like going to the show who would be bored with Wilco and that's why it has not confirmed and goes unannounced. It is, however, going to happen and it's gonna be great!
old enough to not have bart simpson as my avatar. you must be cool!! quit being a hippie....seeing them at the palace would blow and be a boring show unless you don't know how to have a good time such as yourself. i'll wait for the headliners show....bart.
Wow!, Neal, you seem like such a wonderful fella!
I just called the Palace and the box office guy said that as of this time, they don't know of any openers. However, I hope the rumors are true, this would seriously be a dream show for me being my two fav bands and all :)
neal, I am hoping to see MMJ at the Palace so for once it will be quiet as possible to hear Jim sing without the bar chatter. I figure outside of them playing in my living room, this will be a good chance to hear them live. I had a hell of a time seeing them in B'ham and Athens recently. WILCO rocks too! Do us a favor Neal, wait for the Headliners show. See ya there.
peace in jones?! jim's dream to play at the palace?! dude, WTF?
Jim talked about how he's always dreamed of playing the Palace during a solo concert from 5-1-2002 in Knoxville, TN. Says that he's always dreamed of playing the Palace and that the Tennesse Theatre was as close as he had got so far. So even if you all aren't going to enjoy it I'll know that Jim and I are having a good time, even if we don't get to "smoke and move around". I'd like to point out that when MMJ played headliners back in the day there were tables and chairs up front and waitresses brought your drinks to you, the shows were a lot "cooler" back then, because the music took its time and the crowd was small and respectful. I appreciate MMJ not wanting to play to the Headliners crowd anymore, because I'm tired of all assholes like this Neal guy, too. See you at the Palace!
Rule Number One: No one here is an asshole. I really mean that.
Rule Number Two: Everyone has their own opinions. They're like assholes; everyone has one, some stink more than others.
Rule Number Three: Unless Master Riny has posted it HERE as a confirmed show, we're just whistling in the dark as to whether they are or aren't playing anywhere, anytime.
Rule Number Four: We require a...shrubbery!
Rule Number Five: There is no rule number five!
"audience fragmentation" is for the birds. MMJ could play in an outhouse and have the members of N'Sync in the audience, and it wouldn't fucking matter to me. I have enjoyed every single show I've been to.
Just my humble opinion, really.
Not to play devil's advocate or anything, but MMJ has already played the Palace on 05.09.03 for public radio's non-commvention taping of E-town. Also on the bill that day were Jason Mraz, North Mississippi All-Stars and Joan Osbourne. MMJ played a 30 minute set that was plagued with sound problems and it looked as if Jim and Co. left the stage quite upset at the sound and the fact that thier "dream" Palace show went so badly. Jim put his guitar down before the last song had finished and just walked off stage without so much as a glance at the audience. It sucked, I felt bad for them. Granted, this wasn't really an official Palace headlining or opening gig, but it was still an appearance.
But, yes, a real Palace appearance is in order :)
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Rule Number Four: We require a...shrubbery!
Ha Ha! Got Spamalot tix for the 30th.
Like was said above, it is not official until it is official. I bought my tickets as soon as I was able, but I did so with the understanding that Wilco was the only name on the ticket.
I doubt very much that Wilco would belatedly schedule a date in Louisville on the day after the last date of their tour with MMJ and not have MMJ on the bill in Louisville.
I suppose that there are all sorts of reasons why MMJ wouldn't open, and I can think of all sorts of reasons why they might not announce it if they are. But I think the big obvious conclusion to be drawn is that they are going to open.
I'd surely be disappointed if they don't play, but as more time goes by with neither confirmation nor denial, I become more sure that they will play.
Jackson
Quote I appreciate MMJ not wanting to play to the Headliners crowd anymore, because I'm tired of all assholes like this Neal guy, too. See you at the Palace!
I think we can do without that sort of thing. It's one of the things that makes this board different. Neal gave an opinion and you patronised him by saying something about growing up. You two need to agree to disagree without namecalling.
I don't know what headliners is (are?). I'd be happy if mmj were playing on my continent. Hey isn't it funny that the opposite of continent is incontinent?
I didn't mean to offend. Sorry Neil, JohnConaway, and doctorinthehouse. I was just trying to give my opinion about some things. I didn't think that I was the one going over the line. My most humble apologies. I must be an asshole!
Maybe I'm one too,Because I agree with you aMillionDreams.I thought Neal started taking it personal and you just defended your self.If someone had talked to me like that in person I would have called him a asshole to his face.Plus Neal is listed in another thread as neezy giving another sarcastic answer.I'm all for being cool but there was no need for his sarcasm.
thanks for backing me up, I was feeling steam rolled there for a bit. But I also forgot to apoligize for giving people the inside info about MMJ/Wilco so that they could get good seats (another thing that I got reprimanded for), I was just trying to help some people out and ease their nerves about MMJ opening the show. Next time I get some news like that I'll be sure not to post it. Sorry again.
I got great seats because of the early tip,so thanks again.If you don't post it please PM me.I'll take your word.
It's a win/win situation for me. I saw WILCO in Memphis in March at the Orpheum. It was a killer performance, however, one of my friends brought his "buzz kill" girlfriend, and she tried her damndest to ruin the show for everyone. You know one of those negative people, who'd rather be at a Cowboy Junkies show(nothing against the Junkies)? She scowled THE ENTIRE SHOW! I tell ya, Tweedy ended a couple of songs with 4-5 minutes of feedback, and I could see this woman's skin crawling (I actually enjoyed seeing her in pain (what does that say about me?)). My point? I really think MMJ will open, but, if for some reason they don't, I got pretty good seats to see one of my favorite bands (and perhaps TWO of my favorite bands in one night)! Plus, my wife and I get to visit Louisville again (via Nashville). We had such a grand time up and down Bardstown Rd when we came to the 03 Headliners show... Life is good! ;D
I think we all really appreciate your tip man. I know I felt a lot better after I heard your tip. The thing is--we are all rabid fans here, and people really are on edge about whether they are or are not playing. Let's just all try to stay cool.
I went to the Palace in person and two people at the ticket window said the Jacket is playing. I guess it is all going to be a big mystery. It kind of makes it fun. Hugs and hanshakes.
QuoteIt's a win/win situation for me. I saw WILCO in Memphis in March at the Orpheum. It was a killer performance, however, one of my friends brought his "buzz kill" girlfriend, and she tried her damndest to ruin the show for everyone. You know one of those negative people, who'd rather be at a Cowboy Junkies show(nothing against the Junkies)? She scowled THE ENTIRE SHOW! I tell ya, Tweedy ended a couple of songs with 4-5 minutes of feedback, and I could see this woman's skin crawling (I actually enjoyed seeing her in pain (what does that say about me?)). My point? I really think MMJ will open, but, if for some reason they don't, I got pretty good seats to see one of my favorite bands (and perhaps TWO of my favorite bands in one night)! Plus, my wife and I get to visit Louisville again (via Nashville). We had such a grand time up and down Bardstown Rd when we came to the 03 Headliners show... Life is good! ;D
I think you're right, in a way. It does matter about the people around you. We saw them once and were sitting behind some people who'd come to see the other act. They were chatting throughout mmj and one guy was reading a book by the light of his mobile 'phone. I guess that's less of a problem where there aren't any seats and you can free range around.
It is not a tumor! I mean rumor. By the way I Just saw them front row at Bonnaroo and it was my favorite performance. Had to give them this over Trey who put on an almost equally awesome and fun show.
Quotepeace in jones?! jim's dream to play at the palace?! dude, WTF?
exactly....
Quotethanks for backing me up, I was feeling steam rolled there for a bit.
Didn't mean to steam roller you. Really. I'm too sensitive about namecalling and stuff, I know.
Peace (not necessarily in the jones ;))
OK, we all know how MMJ likes to pull out the pranks for their shows (the 21st century version of the Merry Pranksters??). Logic says they will open for WILCO at the Palace (Can you imagine MMJ being suprised that people expect them to open? They open for them the night before, WILCO announces Louisville show late, it's MMJ home base, it's not like a relunctant Blink 182 opening, it's WILCO...logic says they open). Now, what do the boys have up their sleeves for not announcing they are playing? I mean, J Tweedy has a pretty twisted sense of humor too. Hhhhmmmmm. I remember being suprised by the awesome covers they pick, the bear, the parrot, the ghost, the sandwiches, the conductor, the peeps, the omnichord and sax, the puppets...what next? What bizarreness do they have in store for Louisville on the 30th?
QuoteOK, we all know how MMJ likes to pull out the pranks for their shows (the 21st century version of the Merry Pranksters??). Logic says they will open for WILCO at the Palace (Can you imagine MMJ being suprised that people expect them to open? They open for them the night before, WILCO announces Louisville show late, it's MMJ home base, it's not like a relunctant Blink 182 opening, it's WILCO...logic says they open). Now, what do the boys have up their sleeves for not announcing they are playing? I mean, J Tweedy has a pretty twisted sense of humor too. Hhhhmmmmm. I remember being suprised by the awesome covers they pick, the bear, the parrot, the ghost, the sandwiches, the conductor, the peeps, the omnichord and sax, the puppets...what next? What bizarreness do they have in store for Louisville on the 30th?
Exactly. I really need to find tickets for this, is it to late?
no, I think that there are tickets left someone said they still had some floor seats left a day or two ago.
QuoteOK, we all know how MMJ likes to pull out the pranks for their shows (the 21st century version of the Merry Pranksters??). Logic says they will open for WILCO at the Palace (Can you imagine MMJ being suprised that people expect them to open? They open for them the night before, WILCO announces Louisville show late, it's MMJ home base, it's not like a relunctant Blink 182 opening, it's WILCO...logic says they open). Now, what do the boys have up their sleeves for not announcing they are playing? I mean, J Tweedy has a pretty twisted sense of humor too. Hhhhmmmmm. I remember being suprised by the awesome covers they pick, the bear, the parrot, the ghost, the sandwiches, the conductor, the peeps, the omnichord and sax, the puppets...what next? What bizarreness do they have in store for Louisville on the 30th?
but i just really think that sucks. why wouldn't they announce they would play the palace ahead of time. i think its kind of crappy of them. im feining to see them in my hometown it would suck if they just snuck that show in under our noses. i mean, what if that was the only show they play here in louisville the whole year. thats why im pissed. sorry for any hurt feelings.
I seriously doubt that this would be the only Louisville gig for the year. They're gonna hit the road big-time once the album is released. Why wouldn;t they play Louisville again?
they did only play one show here last year at Lebowskifest, so there's room for a little concern I guess...
I think that there is definately room for concern. The amount of shows that they play in Louisville has decreased every year since they became a band. I was seriously concerned that they wouldn't play in Louisville at all this year. And I wouldn't hold my breath on there being a headliners show any time soon. Going from the Palace to Headliners would be a step down and if this band is going anywhere it's going to be up. It sucks for Louisville, but MMJ belongs to the world now. We just have to see them when we are lucky enough to get the chance, just like everyone else in the world.
right, or travel 8 hours from Louisville to Athens, GA like I did last week, all the while my girlfriend was laughing that I would drive 8 hours to see a band from my hometown. But she's just a casual fan and doesn't understand that they're not a "local" band anymore. So hometown gigs are few...
It was worth every mile, even thru 2 hours of traffic in Atlanta. They pretty much rocked my socks off.
Yeah, it is definitely frustrating the number of KY shows has decreased dramatically. I saw something on VH-1 about Kid Rock--when he was trying to get big, he would only play one or two shows a year in Detroit Rock City--and they would be these big, hype-machines because of it (kind of like VHSorBeta?). This is a different story, because the Jacket is playing to large crowds all over the place now.
Anyway, we just have to hold out hope for the Palace. It must be really tough on those folks across the Big Pond, like doctorinthehouse and greggy. They have waited even longer for a Jacket show.
well im not from louisville at all, but its only 2 1/2 to 3 hours from where i live in ohio. i just rearranged my schedule to go see the jacket in asheville and knoxville, so you really do have to do whats necessary if youre able to do it. even taking fucking 10 1/2 hours to get to asheville because of wrecks (when it should have taken 7), i dont regret it because the jacket melt your face off live, as sweatboard so nicely put it. so they cant always come to you, but theyre one of the few bands worth going to them!
Quote It must be really tough on those folks across the Big Pond, like doctorinthehouse and greggy. They have waited even longer for a Jacket show.
347 days.
And nothing on the horizon :'(
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347 days.
And nothing on the horizon :'(
Don't worry, lady. I am sure that a big tour will happen with Z. You will have your fest, too. :)
p.s. I know nothing. I'm just assuming.
hang in there, doctorinthehouse. it'll be so so sweet when it does happen.
Thanks, guys. And you're right, they're bound to tour with the new album. And it will be sweet :D
Quote It must be really tough on those folks across the Big Pond, like doctorinthehouse and greggy. They have waited even longer for a Jacket show.
Nice to get a mention!
We keep looking to the sky, but we only see stars.....
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347 days.
And nothing on the horizon :'(
I'm glad that you are keeping count. I struggle after 9.
wordawg
oh come now, I haven't seen them since Lebowskifest last June...hang in there! ;)
Hey John, isn't Bonaroo relatively near you? I suppose you've been busy with the family and the new house. How's it going, by the way?
QuoteHey John, isn't Bonaroo relatively near you? I suppose you've been busy with the family and the new house. How's it going, by the way?
hey, thankx for asking. it's been hectic and pretty crazy, but generally I'm in a good head space. lots of bourbon to take the edge off, and good friends to listen when the chips are down.
yup, the 'roo is pretty close, but it just wasn't in the cards for me. oh well...maybe next time 'round? ;)
Hey--not to change the subject but: are there any Louisvillians (or anyone else for that matter) who are not going to buy tickets to the June 30 show because no official announcement on the Jacket has been made?
I was just curious--because I know of a few people who are not going to buy tickets because there has been no official announcement.
You would have to think if the Jacket was announced the show would have already sold out. I guess it will just be more room for us.
It could very well be that they are playing Louisville, but that they're too busy coming off of the tour and gearing up for another tour.
But I don't know, I'm just guessing. :)
I found out today that they aren't announcing the show because Wilco's management wanted it that way. Wilco's "people" knew that MMJ could sell out the Palace on their own merit and so they ask MMJ to not announce it. It makes sense if you're Wilco, you don't want to play to a half empty audience.
(Sorry in advance to John Conaway for breaking the rules of the forum by posting unconfirmed information and assuming that MMJ is going to be there, I know I said I wouldn't do it again but I thought some people would be interested in this lil tidbit) (If you're not interested in unconfirmed information, then get out of this thread and the forum and check the shows page for all your updates).
Thanks for the info again aMillionDreams.
Unconfirmed stuff is really exciting. Confirmed stuff is really conservative and boring. Who needs that. Why would you confirm when you can just unconfirm? Rad.
Really? That's why it hasn't been announced? Because Wilco asked?
Hm. Hmmmmmm... I mean, it's fucking Wilco. Obviously My Morning Jacket has a substantial following in Louisville, but wouldn't Wilco as well? And, what, are people going to leave halfway through?
It just sounds feeeshy.
I haven't heard a logical explanation yet as to why they aren't announcing it, but I'll be there rocking the nation either way. Tweedy and Jim are both sorta odd fellows and it wouldn't surprise me if they had something up their sleeve. At the same time, it does seem strange that the promoters and mgmt would allow this sort of charade to go on.
I'm also surprised it hasn't sold out with all the rumours, I would have thought Wilco could sell it out themselves, so they obviously don't need to hurt ticket sales by NOT announcing MMJ as the opener. Either way, i'm keeping my fingers crossed for the Jacket opener. ;D
Everybody knows that you do what Tweedy says or you're fired. Jay Bennett learned that one the hard way. ;)
JUst Kidding! (kind of)
Yeah, Tweedy seems like somewhat of a hard-ass at times. I'm an old Uncle Tupelo fan--and Tweedy ain't nothing compared to Jay Farrar. He might be the grumpiest person on the planet.
Anyway, it will be sweet if it is just Wilco--but will be monumentous if it is the Jacket as well. I do kind of wish they would just announce the date--because I know of people who aren't going until they do.
Well, if that is the real reason why MMJ hasn't been announced yet, it wasn't Tweedy's decision. That's the kind of thing Wilco's management -- aka Tony Margherita -- would come up with.
QuoteEverybody knows that you do what Tweedy says or you're fired. ÊJay Bennett learned that one the hard way. ;)
JUst Kidding! Ê(kind of)
HA!
You guys, honestly. You should go anyway. It's still Wilco. It will be a fun show. :)
I find it hard to believe that's the reason (Wilco's managment) they won't announce MMJ playing. I live in Louisville and I'm just thinking about numbers here. The Palace holds about 2700.
- Wilco last played here summer 2002 at the Brown Theater which holds about 1400. I was there, they did not quite sell it out, but close.
- MMJ last played here at Lebowskifest in June 2004 on the riverfront park that would hold 4000+, but they actually sold about 3000 or so tix, I was there as well. Keep in mind that a good portion of the folks there were there for the fest and not neccessarily MMJ...
- Before that, MMJ played 2 nights at Headliner's in the Fall 2003 which holds about 1000. I was there both nights too. They did sell out, but not until the day of, if I recall.
So, to say that either Wilco or MMJ could easily sell out the Palace at 2700 capacity may be stretching the truth of the matter. In Chicago or New York, definitely, but in Louisville, KY where I've lived all my 26 years, I wouldn't say for sure. Granted, both bands have picked up steam nationwide over the last 1-2 years, but... Contrary to popular belief, MMJ are not hometown heroes or even recognizable names to most Louisvillians. I go to shows big and small at every club and theater in town regularly, probably 40+ a year here and I see the same people at all the shows. There is a scene for indie and indie-minded music here, but it pales in comparison to larger cities. We're just lucky to even get a Wilco show and even luckier to have a band like MMJ to call our own. But I love this city! You all should buy tix and come to the show regardless of whether MMJ plays or not...
Believe what you like, I never try to tell anyone what to believe, I'm just telling you the truth.
I agree that Louisville has not cuddled this band, but that is only because they rejected the indie scene that you are referring to. The fact is that they draw fans due to their music not who knows them and goes to all the shows. Since MMJ is from Louisville, more people have had the chance to hear (with radio play and the huge events around town they have had their names attached to). MMJ has a lot of fans in Louisville. I was also at those two shows you mentioned as well as many others over the years. The first headliners show I went to had about 50 people at it and only half of them were their for the band and half of those were related to the band members. My point is, their audience in Louisville has multiplied over the years and shows no signs of slowing down. I think they would have no problem selling out the Palace themselves. And even if they couldn't, does it sound so far off that Wilco's management might think that they could sell out the Palace. Wilco's management doesn't have to be responsible, they just have to do what's best for Wilco, even if it does screw the MMJ fans in a way.
I agree with EC and Kevin on this one. Just go see Wilco, If MMJ plays it's a great bonus. Don't risk missing it, I wouldn't if I had the chance.
QuoteBelieve what you like, I never try to tell anyone what to believe, I'm just telling you the truth.
I'm not trying to contest whether or not you're telling the truth. I can see the logic behind what you said Wilco's management told you. However, this sort of unconfirmed word can easily be questioned b/c managements of all kinds just want fans off their backs. I called the Palace on three different occasions to see if they'd spill the beans and the first guy said they knew of no one else on the bill. The second person said, yes, it's MMJ, then the third also said, we have no idea. Then you have Velocity Weekly who printed this very week in the concert calander section that MMJ is on the bill as well. So, there are two differing statements from two local outlets...
Why are we even debating each other brother? We live in the same town. I've probably even seen you out at shows before. Sorry for any negative vibe you got from my last post, was not my intention...
Right on. I hope you got yourself good seats, I'll probably see you there! :)
I heard that the original members of Bachman Turner Overdrive are reuniting and their management knew they couldn't sell out the Palace, so they payed WILCO to say they were playing, knowing all along that the MMJ fans would get in on the hope that MMJ would be opening...we've all been duped! :o :o :o :o :o
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This topic is getting old. People can guarantee they will be playing or not playing until this forum explodes. Personally, I am now to the point where I would rather they don't announce an opener and instead "surprise" us with MMJ opening. We can also debate for hours MMJ's impact on Louisville and Louisville music and whether or not they have a following. Us DaVillians are acting selfish in demanding that MMJ play when there are dozens of people on this forum who haven't had the opportunity to see them in years. We often take for granted MMJ's allegiance to this city. People outside of Louisville probably have a hard time understanding the pride we have in this city, and those that come from it. And while I don't want to ramble, my point is this: Whether or not we get to see them play has nothing to do with MMJ's desire to get to play in Louisville--especially at the Palace.
On a side note, I heard that Paul from the Wonder Years now plays gazoo for Wilco. Since I was lucky enough to get 3rd Row seats to the show, I will be sure to take plenty of pix to prove it.
Just keep on keeping Louisville weird. ;)
QuoteJust keep on keeping Louisville weird. ;)
Amen, sister!
QuoteWe can also debate for hours MMJ's impact on Louisville and Louisville music and whether or not they have a following
I can personally attest to the following here in Louisville. Their impact is measured in one thing: the resurgence of local music (Pine Club, Digby, VHS or Beta, Cricket, etc.) that seemed to occur in or after their rise. It's the oldest local music story in the book-band plays to small, but enthusiastic audiences in town. Band gets gigs elsewhere. Band tours world, snagging a major label deal on the way. Other bands ascribe to become them, rising in their wake. It's how every scene in this country was created...not that there is a specific "scene" in Louisville, per se...but it's no happy accident (IMHO) that a lot of GREAT bands rose to the forefront after MMJ became rock gods in this town.
Maybe I have it all wrong, but I can't remember any local bands in the past that have had that kind of impact here. (unless of course we want to haul out the Slint/hardcore debate again) My knowledge base is from 1989 on, so all apologies to any influential bands from previous years that I don't recall.
I think that MMJ has a fairweather following in Louisville. I totally agree with Conaway with the effect that MMJ's succes has had on local bands (Fire the Saddle is great too), but if mmj's success has taught these bands anything it's get out of Louisville in order to find success. Just look at the Gallery on this website from 2000. In June, they are in Lousville playing to about 30 people and in July they're playing to what looks like 3000. MMJ wasn't embraced in their hometwon until they signed they're major label contract and the Courier-Journal did an article about them. So while the nature of mmj's hometown following is debatable, I don't think you can debate the numbers that they can draw in this city.
But of course that's the way it is! You have to travel around and build a base. I can think of so many Toronto bands that people love, but if you play in a town so many times, you can't draw the same people each time, and you're limited as to how many people you can draw.
Does this make sense? You can't play in any town too much. Unless you're in the jazz scene. (That's true for TO anyhow)
Plus, people get more excited when they know you've been travelling and that other people like you, too. Their feelings are validated, and they want to support you more.
Yeah, you got a point, but my point was they already popular in Europe when Jim was still working at the Hiene Brothers Coffee Shop down the road from me. Louisvillians should have had their feelings validated in 2000 if it was based of the band's success elsewhere but it took about three years for Louisville to wake up.
The only reason I harp on it is because I wonder if this debate (about Louisville's loyalty to MMJ) has anything to do with the fact that they only play here once a year now. :-/
QuoteYeah, you got a point, but my point was they already popular in Europe when Jim was still working at the Hiene Brothers Coffee Shop down the road from me. Louisvillians should have had their feelings validated in 2000 if it was based of the band's success elsewhere but it took about three years for Louisville to wake up.
The only reason I harp on it is because I wonder if this debate (about Louisville's loyalty to MMJ) has anything to do with the fact that they only play here once a year now. :-/
That seems very far-fetched. There's such a panic and they have not even announced tour dates yet! Be patient guys, I'm sure they love you all :). By the way, I'd be very happy seeing them once a year. They can't be everywhere all the time...
QuoteI totally agree with Conaway with the effect that MMJ's succes has had on local bands (Fire the Saddle is great too), but if mmj's success has taught these bands anything it's get out of Louisville in order to find success.
Do you guys know the story of the DBTs? Patterson and Cooley lived here in the Shoals for most of their lives being in various bands. The biggest was Adam's House Cat (which never got a record deal, but came damn close). Apparently no one was coming to see them play when they played in town.
When AHC broke up, Patterson moved to Athens and started the DBTs. Cooley soon followed. They started out playing to 10-15 people at a time as well like all bands do. Only now, instead of calling the Shoals area home, they are known as an Athens band.
Part of the problem now is that there really isn't anywhere for them to play here. The only places to play now are relatively small or to uppity.
So, we missed out. Now I pretty much have to drive somewhere else to see them...
Well, Louisville is definitely not Austin--but, there are a fair share of great music fans here. And there are a fair share of MMJ fans here as well. Name any other band from this area that draws any where close to the crowd that the Jacket does.
And they do have a strong local following going back to the early Darla days. I tried to go to the Live Lunch performance at Christmas 2002 at WFPK, and the line was down the street and around the corner--at 10:30am.
We're not NYC, but we have a lot of pride. You can't mess with the Ville--or da Ville.
QuoteJim was still working at the Hiene Brothers Coffee Shop down the road from me.
Oh my lord. I was just there for the third time on Monday. Weirdio.
Everybody has stupid jobs until they don't have to have stupid jobs anymore. I love the story of the guy from New York wanting to meet with Belle and Sebastian, but one of the Stewart's was too scared to take a day off work at his job in case he got fired so he couldn't go.
The dude was a dishwasher.
you know, my wife and I went to the Headliners show back in 2003, our first visit to Louisville. We loved Bardstown Rd and are looking forward to coming back in 2 weeks. There was a real loyal vibe before the show, we talked to friends of MMJ and Louisvillians, and we just had such a great vibe about it all. Being in Nashville you don't get that much. Nashville can be such a cesspool of commercialized crap and posing, that being in Louisville was a breath of fresh air. (Nashville ain't as cool and hip as some think). So, any hot tips about our second visit to Louisville? We went to Ear Xstacy
and ate at Ramsi's last time. Where should we branch out??
Quoteyou know, my wife and I went to the Headliners show back in æ2003, our first visit to Louisville. We loved Bardstown Rd and are looking forward to coming back in 2 weeks. There was a real loyal vibe before the show, we talked to friends of MMJ and Louisvillians, and we just had such a great vibe about it all. Being in Nashville you don't get that much. Nashville can be such a cesspool of commercialized crap and posing, that being in Louisville was a breath of fresh air. (Nashville ain't as cool and hip as some think). So, any hot tips about our second visit to Louisville? We went to Ear Xstacy
and ate at Ramsi's last time. Where should we branch out??
Whatever you do, do NOT go to 4th Street Live! Ê(Exclamation point theirs.) ÊWe rolled in and asked around as to what the fun part of town was, and that's what we were told. ÊVery not fun.
I loved Bardstown/Baxter road. ÊClose to ear x-tacy there was a little pub that had microbrewed beers and fuck me if I can't remember the name. ÊYou can sit outside there, too. ÊIt was close to a place called Za's if I remember correctly. Êtundra or antoniostrohs can tell you the name of the bar that we went to. ÊIt was really cool - close to the Rudyard Kipling with was 4th and Oak. Ê
There's a nice park close by called Algonquin that we hung out at a bit during the day. ÊThere is a guitar store that is AWESOME. ÊI'm sorry I can't remember names. ÊI've got it all written down in my journal at home.
Basically, I recommend just walking around on Baxter. ÊIt's sexcellent. Ê:)
EC, the microbrewery that you are referring to is probably Cumberland Brews--it is right down from Ear-X-Tacy on Bardstown Rd. Anyway--Ycartrob--you hit some good spots in Ramsi's and such. Bardstown Road (the Highlands) and Frankfort Avenue (Crescent Hill) offer miles of restaurants, bars, music, and art. If I had to recommend one place--it would definitley be The Outlook. It's on Baxter (turns into Bardstown Road) right down from Highland Avenue. Look for the Falls City sign.
Maybee we'll see you at the show on the 30th.
QuoteCumberland Brews
This is the one, moose. Thank you :).
They also have a kickass chicken salad with apples and blue cheese.
Louisville stops in addition to those mentioned:
- Irish Rover on Frankfort Ave. Good Irish pub fare.
- Wick's Pizza on Baxter Ave. Some think it's the best in town, I tend to agree.
- Homemade Ice Crean & Pie Kitchen on Bardstown Rd. For your sweet tooth.
- The WHY Louisville Store. That's What-Have-You Louisville, a boutique of sorts celebrating Louisville-based projects such as Lebowskifest, Louisville Is For Lovers, and others. The Lebowskifest guys are behind this. You'll be able to buy merch and get the scoop on all like-minded current and upcoming projects such as these. The store opens this weekend 06/18, so check it out. On Bardstown Rd. near Cumberland Brews and that whole stretch.
www.whylouisville.com
- Also, come in town the night before the Wilco show. WFPK's Waterfront Wednesday concert is free on the Harbour Lawn at Waterfront Park on Wed. 06/29. Over The Rhine and Louisville's Fire The Saddle perform. Show starts around 5:30pm and goes until dark. It's FREEEEEEE!
- Then of course there's Bob Dylan & Willie Nelson that same night at Slugger Field, but that's 50 bucks...
- Finally, stay in town Friday night 07/01 as well and go downtown for the 1st Friday (of the month) Gallery Hop. The trolleys run all night and drop you off at all the art galleries on Market and Main Streets. It's a good time with typically some great art, maybe some live music, free food, free wine, etc...
da Ville. it's just that awesome. ;D
Quoteda Ville. it's just that awesome. ;D
i can't wait to visit someday! :)
bring it on!
What about Luigi's Pizza? near the Palace? Anyone know about it?
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i can't wait to visit someday! :)
You will love it, lady. It is a lovely town. I had the pleasure of meeting some tremendous fellows and ladies. :)
definitely a road trip i want to take. sounds like my kind of place. p.s. come visit austin! it's magical. i know you like magic! ;)
Quotedefinitely a road trip i want to take. sounds like my kind of place. p.s. come visit austin! it's magical. i know you like magic! ;)
Austin is a place I am very much looking forward to visiting. :)
Yeah. Magic's good. :)
Austin seems incredible....
Oh, Luigi's pizza isn't all that man. If you're going to go get a pie in the Ville definitley Wick's on Baxter or Clifton's on Frankfort. Luigi's is that thin-crust girlie-man stuff.
That's the second person to recommend Wick's so I just have to throw some love towards Bearno's, another local pizza joint. I couldn't decide which I like better but I couldn't let Bearno's go on neglected. Another great local restaurant that is both in the BTR section and downtown is Bristols. I hope you all have a wonderful trip to da ville!