My Morning Jacket

My Morning Jacket => The Band => Topic started by: aMD on Mar 26, 2007, 07:31 PM

Title: the Wikipedia page
Post by: aMD on Mar 26, 2007, 07:31 PM
So I've been working on the FAQ on wikipedia.  I am attempting to elicit help.  Some of the questions are yet unanswered.  Some of the answers could really use sources, which I can't quite put my finger on.  So help me and your favorite band out, peeps.  If ya don't know, anyone can edit wikipedia, even you.

Here's the page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_morning_jacket

Someone recently added pictures to site, looks a lot better. Was that you, Ger?
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: Magnix on Mar 26, 2007, 07:35 PM
QuoteSomeone recently added pictures to site, looks a lot better. Was that you, Ger?
Just spotted those as well, so NO, it wasn't me. 'All' I did a week or two ago, was adding a list of compilations (mostly those with an exclusive track). I did so after someone else added the Louisville is for Lovers comps (probably Mr. John "Louisville is for Lovers" King himself).
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: megisnotreal on Mar 26, 2007, 07:58 PM
checked it out the other day. lookin' good.

kudos for all the hard work.
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: CTdeadhead on Mar 27, 2007, 09:25 PM
It is coming along great, I just learned a thing or two.  I found this really interesting about the DRM on the Z CD.  It quotes MMJ's manager as stating the band was sending burned, unprotected copies to fans who complained.  What a fucking band!!!


http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/8950981/copyprotection_troubles_grow
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: Crispy on Mar 28, 2007, 01:55 PM
I'm the guilty party responsible for the pics in the discography. I even uploaded pics for the covers of the Early Recordings albums, which I hadn't done before, so some new wiki eperience for me.

As for the FAQ section, you've done a great job with that, I just wonder if it shouldn't be further down on the page or elsewhere. I haven't seen any other band pages that have FAQ sections - maybe the FAQ should be its own wiki page?
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: aMD on Mar 28, 2007, 05:15 PM
QuoteI'm the guilty party responsible for the pics in the discography. I even uploaded pics for the covers of the Early Recordings albums, which I hadn't done before, so some new wiki eperience for me.

As for the FAQ section, you've done a great job with that, I just wonder if it shouldn't be further down on the page or elsewhere. I haven't seen any other band pages that have FAQ sections - maybe the FAQ should be its own wiki page?

I guess the FAQ could go after the discography but the other things on the page are the sources and the links which are always last.  I don't think it matters that other bands don't have FAQs, we don't have to follow precident, do we?  I don't think it needs a whole other page either. I'm bias of course but that's my opinion.

Good work on the pics. However, I think we do need a picture of the full band up there, not just Jim.  

I'd like to work on all facets of the page but time is of the essence these days.  Maybe it'll be a summer project if no one gets to it before then.
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: dragonboy on Mar 28, 2007, 09:08 PM
Great work on the page guys  :)
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: Crispy on Mar 29, 2007, 12:59 AM
I agree that the page needs a pic of the the band instead of just Jim. Anybody have one that's their own work or fair use?
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: Crispy on Mar 29, 2007, 10:43 AM
Well, somebody deleted the FAQ section (it wasn't me!), but they did leave a comment on the discussion page.
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: aMD on Mar 29, 2007, 02:47 PM
oh well, i guess wikipedia isn't willing to host our FAQ.  I know it wasn't great but it was a work in progress.  Well, that was a giant waste of time.  
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: Kory on Mar 29, 2007, 02:51 PM
you could always make the FAQ from a free blog site... that would work. You could just have one main page that links to each question (or post)

Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: Crispy on Mar 29, 2007, 03:22 PM
Not a total waste, you can still retrieve it from the history and make it a blog, as kory suggested. There's some good info in there and some questions I'd still like to see answered.
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: The DARK on Mar 30, 2007, 10:22 PM
It was worth a try.  :)
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: sweatboard on Mar 30, 2007, 11:39 PM
I wish we had a list of every single song they ever recorded (for anything), and a list of every single song they have ever played live.
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: Magnix on Mar 31, 2007, 04:26 AM
QuoteI wish we had a list of every single song they ever recorded (for anything), and a list of every single song they have ever played live.

In case you've never seen it, a list of every song the band ever released is already available for several years at my "From Nashville To Kentucky" site. Although it hasn't been updated for almost a year, it's quite up-to-date as it's mainly Okonokos that hasn't been added yet.

As for every song they recorded live, for now you could use my showfinder pages and draw a list yourself. However, although there's no real schedule for it, there are plans to expand those pages and come with more lists like Bermuda Hitchhiker made (see the shows and tapings sections of this forum).

Just follow the WWW button below to go to the site.
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: BH on Mar 31, 2007, 09:41 PM
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QuoteI wish we had a list of every single song they ever recorded (for anything), and a list of every single song they have ever played live.

In case you've never seen it, a list of every song the band ever released is already available for several years at my "From Nashville To Kentucky" site. Although it hasn't been updated for almost a year, it's quite up-to-date as it's mainly Okonokos that hasn't been added yet.

As for every song they recorded live, for now you could use my showfinder pages and draw a list yourself. However, although there's no real schedule for it, there are plans to expand those pages and come with more lists like Bermuda Hitchhiker made (see the shows and tapings sections of this forum).

Just follow the WWW button below to go to the site.


That list was actually the very first thing I used when I went from fan to super fan.  I stumbled accross your site and found it and the search began!  It was this where I first learned that a cover song from my old favorite band done by new favorite band was out there floating around somewhere.   I still have your list on a word doc. that I highlighted in different colors and I look at it all the time.  

I'm still looking for that 2 meter session version of old sept blues!    Then I shall have them all.  <Insert sinister evil scientist laugh>
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: Kory on Mar 31, 2007, 11:50 PM
Hey Dave, check yo mail! Thanks for the spreadsheet!
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: sweatboard on Apr 01, 2007, 03:39 AM
Yeah, I'm so glad Magnix came along.  He was really the ONLY one that archieved this stuff from the start.  We really need to pick it up.  Kory has really done a nice job.  Hey Kory, You want to start a website bro?
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: Kory on Apr 01, 2007, 12:21 PM
I'll try and give something a shot... remind me if I forget though
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: Magnix on Apr 02, 2007, 03:39 PM
As you probably all have seen by now, I announced that I will no longer update the site with new releases (starting this year). I will however update the songlist with every release from 2006 and I will keep the information already there as correct as possible... However, I will not close the site AND the site can be continued with all of your input! If I get the information as detailed as possible, and I do not have to search for it all by myself, so that it only has to be added and uploaded, I can provide the webspace, and we keep one site with all the information. It can be a collaborative effort, instead of mainly me searching for most information and updating the site, if y'all know what I mean!?

The main reason that I was unable to keep the site as up-to-date as I used to, is time, which I do not have anymore since I have two kids. And it did cost a lot of time to find all those pieces of information. And to be honest, I have been a bit disappointed by the lack of input (thanks to those who DID contribute) throughout the years from people visiting the site ... It takes dedication to find this amount of information, I remember spending several hours, just browsing websites, comparing found information, just to find an accurate release date. It's not just copying some information found on one website. It needs to be compared with other websites, and most important with the releases themselves. Most information is there, because I bought about every single release that is listed. So, it also takes some money  :) One recent example. On various websites the Okonokos 4LP vinyl release was listed with a bonus side with four (4) tracks not on the CD. Comparing tracklists already made clear that that probably was not correct, if a tracklist could be found. Well, the only 100% guarantee of what is correct, is having both the actual 2CD and 4LP releases, and knowing that it's 'only' three (3) tracks ...

I'm not complaining here, I'm just trying to make clear how much dedication it takes. And it's a labour of love, you don't make money, it only costs ...

Anyhow, please know that I can offer the webspace and that I'm very interested in continuing the website as a collaborative effort!
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: Magnix on Apr 02, 2007, 03:53 PM
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I'm still looking for that 2 meter session version of old sept blues!    Then I shall have them all.  <Insert sinister evil scientist laugh>

Didn't you get it when we discussed various versions of this song last February? I just reread it, and the last post there is from .... and reads:

*Insert Big Finale' Orchastra Music*

Collection Complete!!!!!!!!

Hmmmm, kind of sad.

OK, well, nice knowing all you guys, I am out of here....... ;)

http://www.mymorningjacket.com/cgi-local/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1170791400
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: BH on Apr 02, 2007, 06:16 PM
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Quote
I'm still looking for that 2 meter session version of old sept blues!    Then I shall have them all.  <Insert sinister evil scientist laugh>

Didn't you get it when we discussed various versions of this song last February? I just reread it, and the last post there is from .... and reads:

*Insert Big Finale' Orchastra Music*

Collection Complete!!!!!!!!

Hmmmm, kind of sad.

OK, well, nice knowing all you guys, I am out of here....... ;)

http://www.mymorningjacket.com/cgi-local/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1170791400

Yes, I did.  As I was telling Kory, I am losing my mind from lack of sleep.  I remember the conversations we had about it, but I forgot that you found it for us!  Sorry for the confusion and thanks again.  I finally got to take a listen and it's similar to the Chapter One version with the long intro and electric guitar but it's definately enough different to be worth while.
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: Magnix on Apr 02, 2007, 06:27 PM
Quote
Yes, I did.  As I was telling Kory, I am losing my mind from lack of sleep.  I remember the conversations we had about it, but I forgot that you found it for us!  Sorry for the confusion and thanks again.  I finally got to take a listen and it's similar to the Chapter One version with the long intro and electric guitar but it's definately enough different to be worth while.
Fully understand  8-)

However, I think you're confused again, as the 2 Meter version of Old September Blues does not appear on Chapter One, but only on the "2 Meter Sessies Volume 10" NL v/a CD from September 2001.
The Old September Blues on Chapter One is the ga-ed out version, which was recorded live at Rotown, Rotterdam, The Netherlands on January 27, 2000 for "Lola da Musica", VPRO TV, The Netherlands and had been previously available on the "Heartbreakin Man" CD EP from May 2000.

Furthermore, Chapter Two has "I'll Be There When You Die" as "I Will Be There When You Die/Sunrides And The Girls Scream (live)" from the same session. The same version had been previously available on the European version of MMJ's Xmas EP from December 2000).

See the songlist on my site  ;)

P.S. OK, not really confused as you wrote "it's definately enough different" ...  8-)
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: BH on Apr 02, 2007, 07:17 PM
Yeah, I just meant it had the same big two minute long intro as the Chapter One version.  
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: Kory on Apr 02, 2007, 09:49 PM
QuoteAs you probably all have seen by now, I announced that I will no longer update the site with new releases (starting this year). I will however update the songlist with every release from 2006 and I will keep the information already there as correct as possible... However, I will not close the site AND the site can be continued with all of your input! If I get the information as detailed as possible, and I do not have to search for it all by myself, so that it only has to be added and uploaded, I can provide the webspace, and we keep one site with all the information. It can be a collaborative effort, instead of mainly me searching for most information and updating the site, if y'all know what I mean!?

The main reason that I was unable to keep the site as up-to-date as I used to, is time, which I do not have anymore since I have two kids. And it did cost a lot of time to find all those pieces of information. And to be honest, I have been a bit disappointed by the lack of input (thanks to those who DID contribute) throughout the years from people visiting the site ... It takes dedication to find this amount of information, I remember spending several hours, just browsing websites, comparing found information, just to find an accurate release date. It's not just copying some information found on one website. It needs to be compared with other websites, and most important with the releases themselves. Most information is there, because I bought about every single release that is listed. So, it also takes some money  :) One recent example. On various websites the Okonokos 4LP vinyl release was listed with a bonus side with four (4) tracks not on the CD. Comparing tracklists already made clear that that probably was not correct, if a tracklist could be found. Well, the only 100% guarantee of what is correct, is having both the actual 2CD and 4LP releases, and knowing that it's 'only' three (3) tracks ...

I'm not complaining here, I'm just trying to make clear how much dedication it takes. And it's a labour of love, you don't make money, it only costs ...

Anyhow, please know that I can offer the webspace and that I'm very interested in continuing the website as a collaborative effort!


I know it's work you've went through, I just hope you know it's fully appreciated!
Count me in as one of the colaborators, but you probably knew that...  ;)
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: TEO on Apr 03, 2007, 03:32 PM
Thanks goes out to all of you above for all of your hard work and dedication!   :)
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: Kory on Apr 03, 2007, 07:24 PM
anyone have the big list of FAQs that were on Wiki... I'm working on the blog/FAQ

http://mmjfaq.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: aMD on Apr 03, 2007, 08:40 PM
i just pmed you
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: aMD on Apr 03, 2007, 08:55 PM
btw, someone added this line a couple days ago which I deleted.  what's this about:

Hipsters usually scoff at the notion that this band is a "Hipster" band, however, Darren "Piggy" Headrick confirmed on his March 27th radio show that this is indeed the case.
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: Kory on Apr 03, 2007, 09:31 PM
alright, thanks for those dylan! I can over the next few days work on posting these. I have done a couple before bed so people can see how it will work.
If we always start with this link...
http://mmjfaq.blogspot.com/2007/04/my-morning-jacket-faq-index.html

and when we post a new "blog post" go back to the first post and add a link to it we'll have a big cool list that will point to a blog page for each question where we could go as far as adding pictures, links or what have you (if you're not into the whole brevity thing). ;)

or for that matter someone can buy www.mmjfaq.com or something and point it to that address for a cleaner address. Only 6.99 a yr for an address anymore...

I created the account and a new gmail account (same login) for this and we can pass it around and everyone who's interested can mess with it or ir anyone has some free time and some understanding, you can post the rest of the questions or edit the look. I just threw this together quickly and it's rough around the edges so far but it's a start that will stay there and stay free.

This is very simple to learn and if anyone has any questions, let me know as I've been messing with the blog thing here lately... now for a shameless plug (I deserve it) www.37flood.com

PM me for the password and login. Dylan, I'll send it to you right now...
talk to you guys soon.

kj
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: Kory on Apr 08, 2007, 10:27 AM
I'm guessing no one really cares...
Title: Re: the Wikipedia page
Post by: aMD on Apr 08, 2007, 04:04 PM
QuoteI'm guessing no one really cares...

that's the sense I'm getting, too, Kory.  we tried.  :-/