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There's a Tear in My Cerveza
Posted at 12:57 PM on April 19, 2007 by Jacquie Fuller
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"What we know today as country and alt-country music wouldn't exist, of course, without the trailblazers of the genre: Roy Acuff, Jimmie Rodgers, the Carter Family--as well as those who they inspired: Hank Williams, Loretta Lynn, Johnny Cash. It's one big, family tree. We play a lot of those artists here on 89.3 The Current, too, as so many songwriters and rockers claim classic country as an influence. Where would bands like Wilco or My Morning Jacket be without these artists?"
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ok...can we get past the MMJ is alt-country BS? has this person listened to anything since Tennessee Fire? i would consider none of the albums since TN Fire, especially ISM and Z, to be remotely close to "alt-country." i wouldn't even consider TN Fire alt-country, but i can see how the comparison is made.
please tell me that my fellow Jacketeers agree?
MMJ do NOT = Alt-Country
MMJ do NOT = Lynard Skynard
MMJ do NOT = Emo
MMJ do NOT = Jam Band
MMJ=MMJ. End of story.
QuoteMMJ do NOT = Alt-Country
MMJ do NOT = Lynard Skynard
MMJ do NOT = Emo
MMJ do NOT = Jam Band
MMJ=MMJ. End of story.
thank you!!!
It's just ahhhh Rock and Roll.....
QuoteIt's just ahhhh Rock and Roll.....
southern fried rawk!!(http://www.almostsmart.com/upload/files/2005/Sep/redneck.jpg)
For us mp3 folks, you gotta pick a genre to make sorting through your massive collection feasible... So in such situations, I think alt-country is the closest thing to an accurate label as you can get.
Besides, what is the stigma with alt-country?
My favorite mix cd is labeled as such, and contains: Wilco, MMJ, Lucinda Williams, Neil Young, John Prine, Uncle Tupelo, Ryan Adams, Townes Van Zandt, Varnaline, and Chip Taylor/Carrie Rodriguez.
One could probably argue that any of those are not truly alt-country.... but what is alt country? And how come Bob Marley is in the Rock section at the record store? And wtf is up with Emo?
Me thinks jacket is in good company with alt-country... beats the hell outa the southern rock label. Although Z doesnt quite fit the mold. Hell. I give up. I am just gonna call everything Rock.
MMJ have produced some of the best modern southern rock anthems and lean more towards Skynyrd than Allman Brothers when they rock out, but they are still not a southern rock band. They flirt hard with that genre, as they do with folk and country, but their music blend still can't be categorized effectively.
Oh yeah Dark, it's Lynyrd Skynyrd.
QuoteMMJ have produced some of the best modern southern rock anthems and lean more towards Skynyrd than Allman Brothers when they rock out, but they are still not a southern rock band. They flirt hard with that genre, as they do with folk and country, but their music blend still can't be categorized effectively.
Oh yeah Dark, it's Lynyrd Skynyrd.
Yeah, they're southern rock. Rock from the south. But does that make all southern rock bands=Lynard Skynard? No, contrary to Pitchfork. MMJ has a unique sound. Lynard Skynard has a unique sound. UNIQUE. Do not classify MMJ as anything other than rock. MMJ are everything rock, no gimmicks added. And I love it.
QuoteIt's just ahhhh Rock and Roll.....
amen to that.
I hear the south in almost all their music, from Jim's vocals to the guitar riffs and solos. You can't take Kentucky out of MMJ, nor would I want to. I'd rather have MMJ compared (when they rock out like Lay Low or One Big Holiday) to Skynyrd than Molly Hatchet. I'm a huge Allman Brothers fan, but MMJ don't sound like them when they rock out. The Allmans are southern rock pioneers, but they don't sound like Skynryd either. It's a more diverse genre than many think it is, and hey, I'm from Eastern Ontario and I still love all of that.
Looks like 90% of my MMJ MP3's are labeled "Rock"... Good enough to me.
QuoteLooks like 90% of my MMJ MP3's are labeled "Rock"... Good enough to me.
Good enough for me too, even though their early work is pretty darn country-folk.
Yeah, one would be kinda crazy to label Butch Cassidy a Rock Song, for example...
Wikipedia calls them "Indie rock, Southern Rock"
And clearly:
alt_country == (indie_rock + southern_rock) / 2
Which pretty much brings us full circle....
So everything is just rock.
While we're at it, Ky is not south... at least not Louisville.
How people define Kentucky as Southern is beyond me, too many ideas of barefoot pregnant women running around... that shit happens in Vermont just as much.
I've been to parts of Kentucky that are totally Southern... and I mean that in the most affectionate kind of way, as I love the South.
QuoteWhile we're at it, Ky is not south... at least not Louisville.
How people define Kentucky as Southern is beyond me, too many ideas of barefoot pregnant women running around... that shit happens in Vermont just as much.
Why do you look at being southern as a negative? I certainly don't. Some of the nicest people I've ever met outside of Nova Scotia are from the south, whether that is in Kentucky, North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee or Mississippi.
Ironically, northern SC seems almost more southern than south SC. The saltwater clogs up our brains down here. ;)
QuoteYeah, one would be kinda crazy to label Butch Cassidy a Rock Song, for example...
Though
It's About Twilight Now rocks as hard as anything they've ever done.
It's cool to see how far the south can influence music. Four excellent newish Canadian bands are unabashed southern rock lovers: White Cowbell Oklahoma, The Illuminati, C'Mon and Black Mountain. Some old Canadian bands like The Stampeders, The Band, The Guess Who and Neil Young all have elements of southern rock - although western Canada has it's own authentic cowboy country vibe going on.
QuoteWhile we're at it, Ky is not south... at least not Louisville.
How people define Kentucky as Southern is beyond me, too many ideas of barefoot pregnant women running around... that shit happens in Vermont just as much.
not so much barefoot in Vermont b/c of the snow. Perhaps cheap shoes instead.
Unfortunately, not everything southern is good. :-[
http://www.thestate.com/188/story/36411.html
What a stupid debate. The South shall NOT rise again.
I like Monkeys. Monkeys are funny.
Louisville is no further south than St. Louis if you can believe that. Therefore, I declare Louisville to be a midwestern city. Final word. It's midwestern rock. An all new genre. You can now mislabel other bands as midwestern rock.
I agree MMJ = MMJ...
but when I'm asked what sound is MMJ it's hard for me to respond: MY Morning Jacket is a Rock and Roll, Prog Rock that sneaks around with space rock in the vast universe where indie and country intertwine - My Morning Jacket is a reagee, classicial and unique sounding southern rock outfit that sings soul music while walking with folk music down the long street of BLOW YOUR FUCKING MIND AWAY music.
So i always say ROCK AND FUCKING ROLL.
In my iTunes they're under alternitive and punk - but so is everything new pretty much.
QuoteI agree MMJ = MMJ...
but when I'm asked what sound is MMJ it's hard for me to respond: MY Morning Jacket is a Rock and Roll, Prog Rock that sneaks around with space rock in the vast universe where indie and country intertwine - My Morning Jacket is a reagee, classicial and unique sounding southern rock outfit that sings soul music while walking with folk music down the long street of BLOW YOUR FUCKING MIND AWAY music.
So i always say ROCK AND FUCKING ROLL.
In my iTunes they're under alternitive and punk - but so is everything new pretty much.
good explanation.
people ask me that all the time. "what kind of music do they play?" my response is always something like this: "the most intense, profound, spiritually mind altering, raise-the-hairs-on-your-neck type of rock and fucking roll".
whatever that is. my morning jacket is what my morning jacket is. they are not like anyone else, nor is anyone like them.
and seeing them live, is without a doubt, a life changing experience.
I don't know what to call it . . . but I like it.
Almost all MMJ music seems to come from a burning passion to communicate about the wonders of existence. That they succeed so frequently is quite remarkable, considering how many folks try to create these sounds and fail.
Cheers to the boys for making music that inspires such a debate. ;)
The problem with calling it Rock & Roll is that my record store will have them in the same bin as Rick Astley (sp).
When I open my record store, there will be 4 sections: My Morning Jacket, David Bowie, Reggae, and everything else.
I'm surprised this is still a hot button issue. I could actually care less what some nimrod critic or blogger wants to use a label in attempt to pigeonhole this beautiful freewheeling band. Love the band, ignore the labelmakers.
QuoteI'm surprised this is still a hot button issue. I could actually care less what some nimrod critic or blogger wants to use a label in attempt to pigeonhole this beautiful freewheeling band. Love the band, ignore the labelmakers.
If music can be easily "classified", it's PROBABLY not worth listening to.
hey all!!! ive read mmj described as if neil young married pink floyd. pretty simple and accurate but still doesnt describe their entire sound. i do agree with the mmj=mmj!! i'm still trying to picture jim with a shaven head!! hmmmmm.....!
No, I am pretty sure "At dawn" is the best album. Everyone else is just mistaken.
Please god, let this thread die! I thought I already killed it once...
Definately on the At Dawn. I love all their albums alot, but At Dawn has that feel to it that you cant describe. But, it is so hard to classify it. Every album is so different and so different from song to song. Whatever people want to classify it as, I will still listen.
i just came back from coachella where there was a million of different sounds being played from stage to stage, and i realized that rating anything, classifing anything is just plain WRONG. Bjorks new cd just got 3 1/2 stars from spin. My question is, after seeing that show, and seeing the wonderful art that was poured out in not only her songs, but from the dozens of musicans i saw all weekend, how can we rank or classify anything other than amazinly beautiful.
Sure, some bands dont care as much bout their music as others...Art. Monkeys, The Kooks...but most bands do. And thats all the should be recgonized and loved...is thier abality to make these sounds and to have people respond to them. Coachella fo life!
I kinda make up my own categories of music to organize my mp3s. I also do not rip entire albums onto my computer, just preferred songs.
Of the 38 individual songs (not distinguishing b/w versions) that I have stored, they break down like this (Where to Begin, and Girl from North Country included):
Adult Alternative - 5/38 [/b]
(Category Qualifier – great music that a 16yr old would prob. shoot a 'WTF is this?' look)
Nothing 2 Me
X-mas Curtain
O is the One that is Real
Lay low
Gideon
Americana/Folk Rock/Alt. Country – 10/38[/b]
(C.Q. – Distinctly American mishmash derivative, but more importantly 'does it have slide guitar or cowbell?', ha)
Heartbreak'n Man
Evelyn is not Real
At Dawn
Lowdown
The Way He Sings
Golden
Girl from the North Country
Oxen
Chills
Where to Begin
Lo-Fi/Indie - 1/38[/b]
(C.Q. – tightly written pop/rock songs that don't care 2 be heard on F.M. radio)
I just Wanted to be your Friend
Pop/Rock - 3/38[/b]
(C.Q. – nothing wrong with a quality straight-forward pop tune or a kick-butt rock song)
Dancefloors
Anytime
What a Wonderful Man
Psychedelic Rock/Dream Pop - 16/38[/b]
(C.Q. – The only real qualifier for this dumb sounding cat. is, "Do I wish I were smoking a joint right now?!? Man, I wish I still smoked.)
The Bear
Picture of You
I Think I'm Going to Hell
Strangulation
Phone went West
I Will Sing to You
Mahgeetah
One Big Holiday
Run Thru
Steam Engine
Can You See the Helmet on my Head
Cobra
Sooner
Dondante
Off the Record
Wordless Chorus
Singer/Songwriter – 3/38[/b]
(C.Q. – not really sure, but 1 creative dude and his instrument could pull these songs off beautifully)
I won't Cry
I Will be there when you Die
Bermuda Highway
Other categories I have, but MMJ not found in:
- Alternative Rock
- Blues/Blues Rock/Roots Rock
- Classic Rock
- Country/Classic Country
- Dance/Electronic
- Funk
- Gospel
- Hard Rock
- Hip Hop/Rap
- Instrumental/Classical
- Jazz/Vocal/Traditional Pop
- Latin/South American
- Punk
- Reggae/Dancehall
- RnB/Soul
- RockNRoll/Oldies
I'm a bit indecisive, actually. In some ways I think MMJ are passing the alt-country genre but in the same time they don't. If you see alt-country in the same way as I see it, that it's a lot more rock than ordinary contemporary country.
For me alternative country is modern rock country with a lot of influences from blues, jazz, soul, reggae etc. That's what alt-country is for me.
So, if you see alternative country in this way there are according to me quite many of these elements in MMJ's music who then could be classified as alternative country music as well.
But then, if you want to be simple I mostly just use to call MMJ for Southern Rock (& Roll)!!! 8-)
who REALLY needs labels? people are always classifying things, pigeonholing artists, music, other people.... using terms that never do justice or fully describe the complexity of music etc.
i like music because i like it, and the same for music i don't like... i don't like wilco & my morning jacket because they are classified as "alt-country" by some fairly narrowminded people, or by the local record shop. i like these & other bands because their music connects with me
musicians have such diverse influences (as do we all really) that to try and shove them in a box, i think, in a way denies the diversity of people's musical interests
that's my two cents anyway...
and if your local record shop is putting rick astley in the rock & roll section.... THEY ARE DELUDED
;)