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Off-Topic => Off-Topic Ramblings => Topic started by: johnnYYac on Feb 01, 2016, 05:51 PM

Title: Election 2016
Post by: johnnYYac on Feb 01, 2016, 05:51 PM
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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: beardedwonder on Feb 01, 2016, 05:53 PM
Just joined that meme group! It's the best.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: johnnYYac on Feb 01, 2016, 05:55 PM
Quote from: beardedwonder on Feb 01, 2016, 05:53 PM
Just joined that meme group! It's the best.
I just snagged one from my Facebook feed and changed it with MS Paint. Didn't know there was a "meme group".
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: beardedwonder on Feb 01, 2016, 06:24 PM
https://www.facebook.com/groups/berniesandersmemes/
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: ditty on Feb 02, 2016, 12:45 PM
Quote from: johnnYYac on Feb 01, 2016, 05:51 PM
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Thought you Iowan's might enjoy this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLZZ6JD0g9Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLZZ6JD0g9Y) (slightly NSFW)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: walterfredo on Feb 10, 2016, 08:58 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/HhtciRy.png)
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: beardedwonder on Feb 10, 2016, 11:45 PM
is there a sticker of this bernie steal your face?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: iLikeBeer on Feb 11, 2016, 10:25 AM
Quote from: beardedwonder on Feb 10, 2016, 11:45 PM
is there a sticker of this bernie steal your face?

Now that would be an election sticker I'd put on my car...  :beer:
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: walterfredo on Feb 11, 2016, 11:53 AM
no clue, but I'm sure they're out there somewhere.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bernie-Sanders-Grateful-Dead-Steal-Your-Face-Sticker-4-x4-/322003112812
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: beardedwonder on Feb 11, 2016, 12:26 PM
Quote from: walterfredo on Feb 11, 2016, 11:53 AM
no clue, but I'm sure they're out there somewhere.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bernie-Sanders-Grateful-Dead-Steal-Your-Face-Sticker-4-x4-/322003112812

Awesome. Thank u.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Taterbug on Feb 11, 2016, 05:19 PM
Ok,  IF  I where a republican and I had a choice between Trump, Cruz or pounding my balls flat with a hammer I would choose flat balls. 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: johnnYYac on Feb 11, 2016, 08:10 PM
Quote from: Taterbug on Feb 11, 2016, 05:19 PM
Ok,  IF  I where a republican and I had a choice between Trump, Cruz or pounding my balls flat with a hammer I would choose flat balls. 

:grin:
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: johnnYYac on Feb 11, 2016, 08:11 PM
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Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: jcc0065 on Feb 26, 2016, 12:40 AM
i respect everyones opinions on politics on here, i really do i promise!!

BUT i wish everyone would keep it to themselves, kinda divides what should be one big happy MMJ family. just one man's thoughts!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: jcc0065 on Feb 26, 2016, 12:10 PM
I never said that. You got into it last time with me....you love to voice your opinion but then shit on me when I have one.

You absolutely twisted my words.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: LBSUNFLWR on Feb 26, 2016, 01:00 PM
It seems silly to limit what can and can't be discussed here, doesn't it?
Anyone who doesn't want to read this thread should just not read it.
Threads come up all the time about bands I am not into or baseball or something that I have no interest in so I just don't read them. Seems unfair to purposely not discuss something just because people's opinions will be different...
Title: Election 2016
Post by: jcc0065 on Feb 26, 2016, 01:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. White on Feb 26, 2016, 01:21 PM
Quote from: jcc0065 on Feb 26, 2016, 12:10 PM
I never said that. You got into it last time with me....you love to voice your opinion but then shit on me when I have one.

You absolutely twisted my words.

Right you are. We got into it when you said (in two separate threads) that Jim was an LSD casualty or (burn-out). I (and several others on here) called you out on even suggesting such a thing on a fan site run by the band themselves. Shame on you!

As far as twisting your words on this thread and its purpose goes, I believe you are wrong. What I believe you said (or at least implied) was that you know everyone has opinions on political issues, but that you would prefer that we all keep them to ourselves. The actual quote went like this, "i respect everyones opinions on politics on here, i really do i promise!! BUT i wish everyone would keep it to themselves, kinda divides what should be one big happy MMJ family. just one man's thoughts!" As you can see from your quote above, you did say you "wish(ed) everyone would keep it (I'm going to assume you are using the pronoun "it" to signify "opinions on politics") to themselves". I am not twisting your words at all. All I'm doing is "making light of" or "making fun of" the notion that there even being a thread that is specifically named, "Election 2016" is inappropriate or at least divisive and shouldn't be a part of this here Forum. Well...johnnYYac (who happens to be a very active moderator on this here Forum) started this thread in the "Off-Topic Ramblings". He has opened the door for political discussions here, hence, the sharing of political thought, opinions, strategies, wishes, fears, dreams, frustrations, etc. If you didn't mean to imply that it gets on your nerves for people to voice their political opinions here and that doing so "kinda divides what should be one big happy MMJ family" - your quote again, not mine, then maybe John should take it down, delete it, do away with the entire thread. After all, that is/was the purpose of the thread in the first place.

When you started shooting off your mouth about Jim being an LSD burn-out, several people put you in your place. I'm doing the same thing, but I'm doing it with "off-putting sarcasm". I didn't twist a single word or thought of yours around. I'm just calling you a cry-baby who should really get over it if a thread or topic that gets started around here is "off-putting" to you and your sensibilities. Just don't read the posts in the threads that offend you or "put you off". Others here might be interested.

With all that being said, the only things I posted in this thread were two videos. One was of the daughter of Eric Garner announcing her support for Senator Sanders (and some of her reasons). The other was a compilation of speeches Mr. Sanders has made over the years about the same topics he is speaking about today. This is an election year, and speeches will be made, opinions will be shared, and disagreements will ensue. If it gets too hot in the "kitchen"/Forum section known as "Off-Topic Ramblings", then I suggest you not try to get the participants to stop posting. I suggest you not read them.

Pretty simple.

I actually am a supporter of Bernie. I was really speaking for a couple of my friends, who hate this forum because it is a lot of times more argumentative than loving, and you are just proving them even more correct. Thats why Facebook has become the move.

I happen to love this forum, but not when people are out to get one another, like right now. As far as the Jim thing goes, i never said he was an "Acid Casualty" hahaha. I just think he was tripping balls during Red Rocks (which, maybe wasnt a popular topic on this forum, but my mmj friends definitely thought he was too, BUT it isnt even a bad thing in my OPINION. Without Psychedelics, a lot of the music we love would not exist.) and looked a little out of it this year, but now I realize his back was just out of wack and was most probably wearing a back brace. Its absolutely crazy he was able to do what he did, they SOUNDED better than ever this year.

I love this band to death but cant we all just fucking get along? Sorry my post somehow implied to "shut it down"....Im out

EDIT: btw, i never even quoted your post originally nor did i even look at your posts. You could've just simply overlooked my remarks and kept going. I love all of you, i'm not trying to start anything!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: jcc0065 on Feb 26, 2016, 01:56 PM

Quote from: Mr. White on Feb 26, 2016, 01:54 PM
Quote from: jcc0065 on Feb 26, 2016, 01:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. White on Feb 26, 2016, 01:21 PM
Quote from: jcc0065 on Feb 26, 2016, 12:10 PM
I never said that. You got into it last time with me....you love to voice your opinion but then shit on me when I have one.

You absolutely twisted my words.

Right you are. We got into it when you said (in two separate threads) that Jim was an LSD casualty or (burn-out). I (and several others on here) called you out on even suggesting such a thing on a fan site run by the band themselves. Shame on you!

As far as twisting your words on this thread and its purpose goes, I believe you are wrong. What I believe you said (or at least implied) was that you know everyone has opinions on political issues, but that you would prefer that we all keep them to ourselves. The actual quote went like this, "i respect everyones opinions on politics on here, i really do i promise!! BUT i wish everyone would keep it to themselves, kinda divides what should be one big happy MMJ family. just one man's thoughts!" As you can see from your quote above, you did say you "wish(ed) everyone would keep it (I'm going to assume you are using the pronoun "it" to signify "opinions on politics") to themselves". I am not twisting your words at all. All I'm doing is "making light of" or "making fun of" the notion that there even being a thread that is specifically named, "Election 2016" is inappropriate or at least divisive and shouldn't be a part of this here Forum. Well...johnnYYac (who happens to be a very active moderator on this here Forum) started this thread in the "Off-Topic Ramblings". He has opened the door for political discussions here, hence, the sharing of political thought, opinions, strategies, wishes, fears, dreams, frustrations, etc. If you didn't mean to imply that it gets on your nerves for people to voice their political opinions here and that doing so "kinda divides what should be one big happy MMJ family" - your quote again, not mine, then maybe John should take it down, delete it, do away with the entire thread. After all, that is/was the purpose of the thread in the first place.

When you started shooting off your mouth about Jim being an LSD burn-out, several people put you in your place. I'm doing the same thing, but I'm doing it with "off-putting sarcasm". I didn't twist a single word or thought of yours around. I'm just calling you a cry-baby who should really get over it if a thread or topic that gets started around here is "off-putting" to you and your sensibilities. Just don't read the posts in the threads that offend you or "put you off". Others here might be interested.

With all that being said, the only things I posted in this thread were two videos. One was of the daughter of Eric Garner announcing her support for Senator Sanders (and some of her reasons). The other was a compilation of speeches Mr. Sanders has made over the years about the same topics he is speaking about today. This is an election year, and speeches will be made, opinions will be shared, and disagreements will ensue. If it gets too hot in the "kitchen"/Forum section known as "Off-Topic Ramblings", then I suggest you not try to get the participants to stop posting. I suggest you not read them.

Pretty simple.

I actually am a supporter of Bernie. I was really speaking for a couple of my friends, who hate this forum because it is a lot of times more argumentative than loving, and you are just proving them even more correct. Thats why Facebook has become the move.

I happen to love this forum, but not when people are out to get one another, like right now. As far as the Jim thing goes, i never said he was an "Acid Casualty" hahaha. I just think he was tripping balls during Red Rocks (which, maybe wasnt a popular topic on this forum, but my mmj friends definitely thought he was too, BUT it isnt even a bad thing in my OPINION. Without Psychedelics, a lot of the music we love would not exist.) and looked a little out of it this year, but now I realize his back was just out of wack and was most probably wearing a back brace. Its absolutely crazy he was able to do what he did, they SOUNDED better than ever this year.

I love this band to death but cant we all just fucking get along? Sorry my post somehow implied to "shut it down"....Im out

EDIT: btw, i never even quoted your post originally nor did i even look at your posts. You could've just simply overlooked my remarks and kept going. I love all of you, i'm not trying to start anything!

Just so those on here, who didn't read the back-and-forth between jcc0065 and me, don't get me wrong and think I'm making up things that he did in fact say, here is one of my responses on the original "argument". "Let me get this straight. You think I'm being "waaaaay" too hostile, need to "chill out", and need to go easy in my replies to your post(s) because I am calling you out on your attacks on Jim where you are implying that he is an "Acid Head" or "A Burn-Out" or exactly as you stated it, "Yeah it just honestly seems like to me he's taken waaaaay too much acid. Not just cause he's getting old. He was tripping way too hard during that red rocks performance, it was obvious, and at times uncomfortable". You're saying this because you feel this to be true and because your friends agree...I'm I right about that, this is correct, and you're sticking with your story, am I right? Just 4 days ago in another thread that had almost 40 minutes of actual audio of Jim being interviewed by Hiss Golden Messenger's lead singer about the song writing process, you stated the following, "Sounds like ole Jimmy has been indulged (ing) in a little bit too much DOSE this tour". Where do you get off jumping to THAT conclusion!? In the 39 minute interview, drugs were NEVER mentioned. The only thing I can find that you may have latched onto is the quote of Jim saying something to the effect of him feeling that at times he receives messages or inspiration (bits of songs or melodies) from "The Universe" or "God" or "Whatever you want to call it", and he tries to remember to record them into his phone, so he won't forget them. What was that assumption all about, if it wasn't you saying Jim is a "Burn-Out/Acid-Head"? Them there's fightin' words, in my book!

Lastly, what was that "dig/jab" at me personally all about when you said, "For an old man you sure have "waaaay" too much hostility. chill out. just a topic on a forum"?

I feel that was a bit...odd on your part. Maybe if you had seen a photo of me or knew what I looked like, you might have added, "For an old fat man...". For someone who has only been a member of this here almighty Forum for a mere 27 days, you seem to be the one who is a bit too "hostile" and might need to "chill out"...or at least show some respect to your elders...Jim included."

And i manned up and apologized to you, correct? That wasnt cool of me.

Once again, im out
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: johnnYYac on Feb 26, 2016, 02:45 PM
Just like the old days...

If you'd go back to my original post, I made a funny meme about My Morning Jacket and I happen to be a Bernie supporter.  After that, it evolves as free speech allows.

With Gov. Christie's endorsement of Donald Trump, moments ago, I believe it is time for all Americans to think real hard about the kind of country we want to be, for ourselves, for the world, and for our future. Then, VOTE!

I realize now that I am a two-issue voter, and have two fine candidates to choose from, though I prefer Bernie.

Globally, we must lead the world in reducing our impact on climate change and move from finite, dirty fossil fuels to clean, renewable energy. Nothing else is as important. It will improve our future, our health, our standing in the world, and our economy. Its a win-win issue.

Nationally, we need to invest in fixing our country's infrastructure and, in the process, provide much-needed jobs. Addressing the repair and/or replacement of crumbling highways, bridges, airports, rail systems, tunnels, water systems, and our electric grid will make us safer, stronger, more secure, and also improve our economy.

Every one of the remaining Republican candidates denies the climate issue, despite the vast majority of scientists and other countries believing this to be real and serious. And none of the last men standing on the right seem to think infrastructure issues are worthy of discussion.

Again, it is time for all Americans to think real hard about the kind of country we want to be, for ourselves and for the world.

Then, VOTE!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: sillyboob on Feb 26, 2016, 05:07 PM
I agree with johnnYYac's two issues mentioned, and I'd like to add a third - the national debt.  $19 trillion ($19,000,000,000,000) of debt, when the country brings in about $3 trillion in taxes per year.  If paying down the debt was the only thing we were doing with our tax intake, it would still take over 6+ years to pay down the debt, and that's not counting the interest we owe.  The so-called 'greatest generation' has sold us all down the river by not being able to face reality and live within their means.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: ericm on Feb 26, 2016, 05:56 PM
Quote from: jcc0065 on Feb 26, 2016, 01:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. White on Feb 26, 2016, 01:21 PM
Quote from: jcc0065 on Feb 26, 2016, 12:10 PM
I never said that. You got into it last time with me....you love to voice your opinion but then shit on me when I have one.

You absolutely twisted my words.

Right you are. We got into it when you said (in two separate threads) that Jim was an LSD casualty or (burn-out). I (and several others on here) called you out on even suggesting such a thing on a fan site run by the band themselves. Shame on you!

As far as twisting your words on this thread and its purpose goes, I believe you are wrong. What I believe you said (or at least implied) was that you know everyone has opinions on political issues, but that you would prefer that we all keep them to ourselves. The actual quote went like this, "i respect everyones opinions on politics on here, i really do i promise!! BUT i wish everyone would keep it to themselves, kinda divides what should be one big happy MMJ family. just one man's thoughts!" As you can see from your quote above, you did say you "wish(ed) everyone would keep it (I'm going to assume you are using the pronoun "it" to signify "opinions on politics") to themselves". I am not twisting your words at all. All I'm doing is "making light of" or "making fun of" the notion that there even being a thread that is specifically named, "Election 2016" is inappropriate or at least divisive and shouldn't be a part of this here Forum. Well...johnnYYac (who happens to be a very active moderator on this here Forum) started this thread in the "Off-Topic Ramblings". He has opened the door for political discussions here, hence, the sharing of political thought, opinions, strategies, wishes, fears, dreams, frustrations, etc. If you didn't mean to imply that it gets on your nerves for people to voice their political opinions here and that doing so "kinda divides what should be one big happy MMJ family" - your quote again, not mine, then maybe John should take it down, delete it, do away with the entire thread. After all, that is/was the purpose of the thread in the first place.

When you started shooting off your mouth about Jim being an LSD burn-out, several people put you in your place. I'm doing the same thing, but I'm doing it with "off-putting sarcasm". I didn't twist a single word or thought of yours around. I'm just calling you a cry-baby who should really get over it if a thread or topic that gets started around here is "off-putting" to you and your sensibilities. Just don't read the posts in the threads that offend you or "put you off". Others here might be interested.

With all that being said, the only things I posted in this thread were two videos. One was of the daughter of Eric Garner announcing her support for Senator Sanders (and some of her reasons). The other was a compilation of speeches Mr. Sanders has made over the years about the same topics he is speaking about today. This is an election year, and speeches will be made, opinions will be shared, and disagreements will ensue. If it gets too hot in the "kitchen"/Forum section known as "Off-Topic Ramblings", then I suggest you not try to get the participants to stop posting. I suggest you not read them.

Pretty simple.

I actually am a supporter of Bernie. I was really speaking for a couple of my friends, who hate this forum because it is a lot of times more argumentative than loving, and you are just proving them even more correct. Thats why Facebook has become the move.

I happen to love this forum, but not when people are out to get one another, like right now. As far as the Jim thing goes, i never said he was an "Acid Casualty" hahaha. I just think he was tripping balls during Red Rocks (which, maybe wasnt a popular topic on this forum, but my mmj friends definitely thought he was too, BUT it isnt even a bad thing in my OPINION. Without Psychedelics, a lot of the music we love would not exist.) and looked a little out of it this year, but now I realize his back was just out of wack and was most probably wearing a back brace. Its absolutely crazy he was able to do what he did, they SOUNDED better than ever this year.

I love this band to death but cant we all just fucking get along? Sorry my post somehow implied to "shut it down"....Im out

EDIT: btw, i never even quoted your post originally nor did i even look at your posts. You could've just simply overlooked my remarks and kept going. I love all of you, i'm not trying to start anything!

More argumentative than loving?  :shocked: Are you for real? This place is one of the nicest music forums out there, filled with kind, great people.

I honestly think you may be reading way too much into people having a difference of opinion on some threads, and having a bit of back and forth. Nothing wrong with a discussion, and I really don't know where you're coming from if you think this place is even the slightest bit hostile or "out to get one another".

I haven't been here as long as some but I think I can count on one hand the number of times a thread even got heated, let alone seem like an attack of some sort. I've met so many great, kind, really cool people here who go out of their way for each other, that personally I take a bit of offense to how you describe it. I can honestly say my experience here is 180 degrees different than yours, and maybe, just maybe some of the fault in how you see it is yours?

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: LBSUNFLWR on Feb 27, 2016, 11:50 AM
^^^ exactly!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: ALady on Feb 27, 2016, 12:45 PM
That escalated quickly.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: ericm on Feb 27, 2016, 09:05 PM
Quote from: Mr. White on Feb 27, 2016, 08:43 PM
The rampant and brainless fanaticism expressed on this woman's face is quite scary, in my opinion.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcQl6cWUUAAe3dO.jpg)

Yeah and the apparent joy on the woman behind her with her hand on her forehead is equally scary to me.   :grin:
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Taterbug on Feb 27, 2016, 09:40 PM
REGISTER TO VOTE NOW !!!  Regardless of political affiliation.    It's really kind of perplexing to me that only 54% of people vote in the presidential elections and 37% in the midterms.   The madness must be stopped.  That's all [emoji3]
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: davymac on Feb 28, 2016, 01:07 PM
Quote from: Taterbug on Feb 27, 2016, 09:40 PM
REGISTER TO VOTE NOW !!!  Regardless of political affiliation.    It's really kind of perplexing to me that only 54% of people vote in the presidential elections and 37% in the midterms.   The madness must be stopped.  That's all [emoji3]

Interesting!  Just for the sake of discussion (humor me), is not voting at all exercising your right to vote, or should everyone in this country at least pick "the lesser of the evils" if they don't have a candidate that represents their ideals? 
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: walterfredo on Feb 28, 2016, 01:34 PM
In Australia you're fined if you don't vote.

Feel the Bern!!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: LBSUNFLWR on Feb 28, 2016, 03:40 PM
If Trump wins what country do you want to move to?
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Taterbug on Feb 29, 2016, 07:54 PM
Hey davymac ,   I've always voted, yes most of the time it's  the lesser of the evils.  I've never had a chance to vote for someone that sides with  me on every issue.   I try  to pick  issues that are most important to me and find that candidate.  Unfortunately silence is not rewarded in this democracy.   The right kind of change we need will only happen if everyone is involved.  When Reagan was president I use to bitch constantly until my mother asked me if I voted and I said no.  Her response to that was " if you didn't vote , you don't have the right to bitch about anything ".   
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: ALady on Mar 01, 2016, 01:44 PM
You can get precious about agreeing with every little issue in local elections. Not so much with the general.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: beardedwonder on Mar 10, 2016, 08:40 PM
I had no idea America, my town and my family had so many assholes in it. I see Trump stickers all over. And this is Cape Cod MA. FUCKIN SCARY!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: parkervb on Mar 11, 2016, 09:23 AM
Quote from: Mr. White on Mar 10, 2016, 07:42 PM
Trump quote during a previous rally - "There may be somebody with tomatoes in the audience. So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell—  I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise. It won't be so much 'cause the courts agree with us too."

Well, yesterday, at a Trump rally, some dumb-ass, old, racist, did just that. He "sucker-punched" a black man being escorted out of the building by the cops (who ignored this crime and promptly surrounded the punched black man and put the cuffs on him to haul him off to jail). When asked about the incident, the idiot who committed the crime said, "Next time, we might have to kill him". I wonder if the piece of garbage known as "The Donald" will honor his pledge to his loyal follower and pay his lawyers and his court costs/fines. I mean, "a deal is a deal", right?!?

http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/15177-trump-supporter-who-punched-protester-next-time-we-might-have-to-kill-him

last night this came up, specifically about his encouragement of this behavior and he pivots to talking about supporting our police! What a maneuver.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: walterfredo on Mar 11, 2016, 10:11 AM
and now Ben Carson endorses Trump.  Amazing.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: johnnYYac on Mar 14, 2016, 02:50 PM
Don't feel you can't post here, Mr. White.  The Forum should allow for a thread dedicated to politics, though I was mostly looking to post my clever MMJ meme (see first post).

If anyone feels that political discourse does not belong on this Forum, than don't visit this thread.

Donald J. Trump is a dangerous, bigoted, selfish, and dishonest fool.  Anyone who wants to defend and support him is an even bigger fool. 

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: sillyboob on Mar 14, 2016, 07:28 PM
Quote from: johnnYYac on Mar 14, 2016, 02:50 PM
Don't feel you can't post here, Mr. White.  The Forum should allow for a thread dedicated to politics, though I was mostly looking to post my clever MMJ meme (see first post).

If anyone feels that political discourse does not belong on this Forum, than don't visit this thread.

Hear here!!  Or is that Here hear!!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: walterfredo on Mar 14, 2016, 11:28 PM
http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-fires-back-hillary/

Quote
Hillary Clinton tried to pull a fast one on Bernie Sanders' healthcare proposal at a rally in Saint Louis this afternoon. She failed miserably.

While speaking to supporters, Clinton joked that she sometimes has "a little chuckle to [her]self" when her opponent speaks about the necessity of providing universal, single-payer healthcare to every American.

"Where was he when I was trying to get health care in '93 and '94?" Clinton rhetorically asked.

Mike Casca, Sanders' emergency response director, shut her down with one epic tweet:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdXcNL7UIAElx0F.jpg:large)
literally standing right behind her
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: parkervb on Mar 15, 2016, 09:11 AM
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: johnnYYac on Mar 15, 2016, 05:19 PM
A GIF so nice, we post it twice!

Mr. White, I've been turned on to Bernie for over a decade, myself.  I'm a NH native, for one.  Also, Bernie was on Thom Hartmann's SiriusXM program almost every Friday for "Brunch with Bernie", taking calls from listeners and sharing his thoughts on what was going on in politics and policy.  This only ended late last year, due to the campaign.

Trump calls Bernie a communist, showing once again Trump's ignorance and/or propensity to lie.  Even those lazy folks on the right, and in Hillary's camp, who call him a "socialist", are being dishonest.  Bernie calls himself a "democratic socialist", but labels are unimportant.

It all boils down to this.  We all should have access to a basic education, regardless of wealth.  We should all have access to health care, regardless of wealth.  We should all have access to roads and bridges that are safe.  We should all have access to emergency services, such as police and fire departments, regardless of wealth.  We should all be protected, as citizens of this country, from foreign invasion or attack.  We should have insurance programs to protect and support us when we lose a job, become disabled, and when we retire.

So, we have public education.  We should have universal health care.  We have publicly funded roads and bridges.  We have public police and fire departments.  We have a military.  We have unemployment insurance, disability insurance, and social security.

These are things most human people agree about.  Rich or poor, we all benefit from not only having access to these services and protections, but making them available to all of our fellow citizens, as well. 

So, we collect taxes to cover the cost of these things.  We allow all citizens access to these services, these systems and protections.  We ask that all individuals and businesses contribute to the cost via taxes that are based on ability to pay.  If a person is successful in business, they must recognize the role others played in their success, as well as the support of infrastructure systems.  If someone loses their wealth, due to poor investments, being laid off or fired, getting sick or injured, etc. we help them with a social safety net until they can recover.

I haven't worked since September 2014, due to a nearly fatal heart surgery fuck up.  Two more life-saving surgeries (and a minor procedure next week) haven't helped.  Thank goodness for insurance, but why should someone without insurance either fail to get the care I got or become bankrupt in the process?  My brother-in-law has lived his life in a wheelchair.  Should we not help him?  My brother got laid off.  Should he not get unemployment insurance?  Many of us lost a good chunk of our retirement savings thanks to Wall Street greed and fraud (and deregulation) in the mid-2000s.  Should we not have Social Security?

I don't understand why anyone would disagree with this.  We can differ in our views on trade, abortion, immigration, foreign policy, etc. But does anyone really believe that we should refuse to care for someone who is poor?  Are we so certain that we, ourselves, will never become poor?

Bernie was asked, at a recent televised town hall on Fox, where does the right to health care come from.

Bernie's response... "being a  human being."

BERNIE 2016!


Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: johnnYYac on May 01, 2016, 04:48 PM
A great article, not as much about Bernie as about the political reality of our country in a global context.

http://observer.com/2016/04/heres-the-thing-so-many-americans-cant-grasp-about-bernie-sanders/#.VyUUzxgwDh4.facebook
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: johnnYYac on May 04, 2016, 12:26 PM
Mr. White, don't know if you or any other Louisvillians made it to Waterfront Park last night, but Bernie's rally speech was quite spectacular.  In fact, I'm encouraging anyone, regardless of who you support, to watch it in its almost-one-hour-long entirety.  I don't know how it isn't, on some level, inspiring to anyone who cares about more than just themselves and wants what is best for our country.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?409018-1/bernie-sanders-addresses-supporters-louisville-kentucky
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: beardedwonder on May 04, 2016, 12:44 PM
Quite possibly the best 20 minute comedy/roast routine in a long time!

Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: parkervb on Nov 02, 2016, 09:21 AM
so is a dick pick going to lead to a Trump presidency?  Things are certainly trending in that direction.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: LBSUNFLWR on Nov 08, 2016, 09:14 AM
I voted this morning in Kentucky! very easy decision for me!
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: beardedwonder on Nov 08, 2016, 03:36 PM
Most difficult decision Ive made in a long time.

I believe after today is when the real work begins, regardless of who is elected.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: walterfredo on Nov 08, 2016, 05:13 PM
skip to 6:18...this about sums up just how difficult I found the decision to be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v97xH6Bof0
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: walterfredo on Nov 10, 2016, 12:51 AM
I wanna say "this too shall pass", but I'm terrified of the damage that could ensue in the interim.
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: Varitek on Nov 11, 2016, 12:29 AM
Quote from: walterfredo on Nov 10, 2016, 12:51 AM
I wanna say "this too shall pass", but I'm terrified of the damage that could ensue in the interim.

I'm right there with ya on that sentiment
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: ditty on Nov 11, 2016, 09:05 AM
The Incredible Reason You Might Start Seeing Safety Pins Everywhere

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/safety-pin-trump-brexit_us_58251b53e4b0c4b63b0c11a9
Title: Re: Election 2016
Post by: bhyman on Nov 11, 2016, 09:57 AM
Jim's new album is really helping me cope with this election. I've been pretty distraught and feel like an outsider in my own country. My only solace comes from knowing that a majority of people in this country agree with me. We all know the rules, so the electoral college ultimately wins out, but at least more people in this country are on the right side of history. That alone will save us from the worst case scenarios that keep me up at night.

This album really speaks to me. I also think the outcome of the election brings an even greater urgency to Jim's message and I am really curious to see how this translates in his upcoming tour. I really need some of Jim's healing powers right now... can't wait for the Atlanta show.