seriously.........
how fucking good is this record?
maybe my favorite of theirs, but that's like picking a favorite child
and the song itself, "At Dawn".....
so simple, yet so powerful and moving
I love Hopefully
QuoteI love Hopefully
My favorite record of theirs and one of my all-time three favorites.
I think Hopefull is definitely underrated. I love it, too.
Bermuda Highway got my into My Morning Jacket, so At Dawn will always have a special place in my heart. Also because it's a f***g incredibly brilliant album.
I think "I needed It Most" is underrated...
"To have and to hold you, that's the way it's got to be"
QuoteBermuda Highway got my into My Morning Jacket, so At Dawn will always have a special place in my heart. Also because it's a f***g incredibly brilliant album.
I think "I needed It Most" is underrated...
"To have and to hold you, that's the way it's got to be"
Easily some of Jim's best lyrical work is on that album...
"I cannot crumble, what you want this to be"
OR
"Aw if you don't know yourself, how could you ever know me."
I'm going to go start from the begining and play it all the way through...I'll be back with my thoughts...if I survive the incridible journey. :o
Honestly...
the entire 2nd half ot the record
from xmas curtain thru strangulation
it's musical perfection
The entire album is so smooth and flows as one. The way it starts with the building up of At Dawn and ends with Stragulation...it feels like the life story of someone. I also think if you listen to Strangulation and then Dondante...so moving.
Yeah but Honest Man is shit isn't it? The rest is wonderful. Phone Went West especially.
Honest Man is one of my favs but I do agree it doesn't exactly flow with the rest of the album . This is one of the reasons that they're my favorite band. Phone Went West, Cobra, Rollin' Back, Wordless Chorus. All very different, all very good.
QuoteYeah but Honest Man is shit isn't it? The rest is wonderful. Phone Went West especially.
QuoteYeah but Honest Man is shit isn't it? The rest is wonderful. Phone Went West especially.
You mean Honest Man is the shit? For a second I thought you were saying it sucks...
QuoteQuoteYeah but Honest Man is shit isn't it? The rest is wonderful. Phone Went West especially.
You mean Honest Man is the shit? For a second I thought you were saying it sucks...
It sucks. It stands out like a hideous boil on a perfect ass. Plus it goes on for 7 minutes!
QuoteYou mean Honest Man is the shit? For a second I thought you were saying it sucks...
I agree with you. Honest man not only is awesome, but it is awesome, too.
QuoteQuoteQuoteYeah but Honest Man is shit isn't it? The rest is wonderful. Phone Went West especially.
You mean Honest Man is the shit? For a second I thought you were saying it sucks...
It sucks. It stands out like a hideous boil on a perfect ass. Plus it goes on for 7 minutes!
WHAT?!? Blasphemy! Honest Man rawks, it IS the shit!
Come on now, did you expect lil Jimmy not to rock a bit on AD? This thread reminds me of the greyhairs at the first really big Headliner's show back in the day-they put CHAIRS, chairs I tells ya, in the front of the stage to listen to the sweet acoustic numbers, but then the beast was released and they were were ROCKED LIKE A HURRICANE to the demonlike "Honest Man", roaring like King Kong on LSD, and the yunginns all rushed the stage, bangin' heads and whatnot.... ;)
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYeah but Honest Man is shit isn't it? The rest is wonderful. Phone Went West especially.
You mean Honest Man is the shit? For a second I thought you were saying it sucks...
It sucks. It stands out like a hideous boil on a perfect ass. Plus it goes on for 7 minutes!
WHAT?!? Blasphemy! Honest Man rawks, it IS the shit!
Come on now, did you expect lil Jimmy not to rock a bit on AD? This thread reminds me of the greyhairs at the first really big Headliner's show back in the day-they put CHAIRS, chairs I tells ya, in the front of the stage to listen to the sweet acoustic numbers, but then the beast was released and they were were ROCKED LIKE A HURRICANE to the demonlike "Honest Man", roaring like King Kong on LSD, and the yunginns all rushed the stage, bangin' heads and whatnot.... ;)
After Bermuda Highway, and I'm all sleepy and comfortable, Honest Man wakes me up "kicking and screaming." I love this thrust-in-your-face-rock!
Honest Man does not rock. At all. Unless your definition of rock is a tuneless dirge that overstays its welcome by about 5 minutes. Perhaps a two minute blast would work but not all seven minutes. And coming after the lovely Xmas Curtain (one of my fave MMJ songs) it drags the album down when it's absolutely flying. It just doesn't belong there.
I like Honest Man.
I like "Honest Man", too.
But I think it should have been replaced with the AD demo version of "Chills"
QuoteHonest Man does not rock. At all. Unless your definition of rock is a tuneless dirge that overstays its welcome by about 5 minutes. Perhaps a two minute blast would work but not all seven minutes. And coming after the lovely Xmas Curtain (one of my fave MMJ songs) it drags the album down when it's absolutely flying. It just doesn't belong there.
Do you like it out side of At Dawn?
QuoteQuoteHonest Man does not rock. At all. Unless your definition of rock is a tuneless dirge that overstays its welcome by about 5 minutes. Perhaps a two minute blast would work but not all seven minutes. And coming after the lovely Xmas Curtain (one of my fave MMJ songs) it drags the album down when it's absolutely flying. It just doesn't belong there.
Do you like it out side of At Dawn?
No but it sounds worse in that context.
QuoteQuoteQuoteHonest Man does not rock. At all. Unless your definition of rock is a tuneless dirge that overstays its welcome by about 5 minutes. Perhaps a two minute blast would work but not all seven minutes. And coming after the lovely Xmas Curtain (one of my fave MMJ songs) it drags the album down when it's absolutely flying. It just doesn't belong there.
Do you like it out side of At Dawn?
No but it sounds worse in that context.
I still don't understand why you don't like it or think it doesn't belong on AD, but I'll repect your thoughts. I know the album wouldn't be the same without it. I wonder why Jim James thought it belonged on AD.
QuoteIt just doesn't belong there
No offense, but if Jim put it there, it indeed belongs there. AD presents the band in both guises, of the rawk and of the heartfelt.
Nobody would say Jackson Pollock's swirls were turning the wrong way-this is art, and if the artist puts a rock track in the middle of the record, so be it.
This also reminds me of the threads about remixing TTF. It is what it is.
QuoteYeah but Honest Man is shit isn't it? The rest is wonderful. Phone Went West especially.
not at all... >:(
QuoteQuoteYou mean Honest Man is the shit? For a second I thought you were saying it sucks...
I agree with you. Honest man not only is awesome, but it is awesome, too.
Ill be the 4th...or 5th to say the Honest Man def dont suck..After my first few listens, it def stood out to me as one of my favorite tracks alongside Way He Sings and Phone Went West
I wouldnt say a single song on the album is even bad let alone sucks
Id probably jizz my pants if they play one at the Chicago Theatre in October, so that explains my thoughts on Honest Man
QuoteHonest Man does not rock. At all. Unless your definition of rock is a tuneless dirge that overstays its welcome by about 5 minutes. Perhaps a two minute blast would work but not all seven minutes. And coming after the lovely Xmas Curtain (one of my fave MMJ songs) it drags the album down when it's absolutely flying. It just doesn't belong there.
Its the song that precedes Xmas, it doesnt follow it....
So maybe this debate is all for not because goat boy actually thinks Just Because I Do is shit :o
Conaway is right, Honest Man belongs there right between Bermuda Hwy and X-Mas Curtain. If it didn't belong there, it wouldn't be there, and without it, there's no At Dawn. That's the reality.
Hold your breath for the greatest hits album, it will be here soon. ;)
How can anyone dislike Honest man. It has some of the dirtist blues i've heard in a long time . It would put a smile to some of the old blues greats like muddy waters and howlin wolf. And the lyrics are so meaningful that i can def relate to
"Try to walk this earth an honest man,
But evil waves at me it's ugly hand.
The radar watches me from above, shouting down:
"I hope you make it on this earth."
It dont get better than that
Also At Dawn is one of my fav albums ever. It changed me in a significant way. Songs like hopefully, i need it the most, phone went west and strangulation put tears in my eyes.
QuoteAlso At Dawn is one of my fav albums ever. It changed me in a significant way. Songs like hopefully, i need it the most, phone went west and strangulation put tears in my eyes.
Ditto, man.
Ah...'Hopefully' :'(
Honest Man is an amazing song. The screams are excellent.
My only problem with it is that they could have written more guitar parts to justify the 7 minute length.
People being critical of obviously talented people reminds me of those old white farts who announce basketball on TV; those old guys, who can't even touch the net, criticzing the way Lebron James plays basketball, when Lebron's worst mistakes look like masterpieces compared to what those guys could do on an NBA court. Just sit back in awe, and marvel at his mistakes, b/c at his worst, he is better than you at your best.
So my advice is go write the words and music to Heartbreakin Man, The Bear, Nashville to Kentucky, Old Sept. Blues, It's About Twilight Now, Evelyn Is Not Real, War Begun, Picture of You, I Will Be There When You Die, The Dark, By My Car, I Think I'm Going to Hell, At Dawn, Low Down, The Way That He Sings, Death Is the Easy Way, Hopefully, Bermuda Highway, Xmas Curtain, If It Smashes Down,
I Needed It Most, Strangulation, and then (and only then) tell me how Honest Man is "shit".
In the meantime, realize that Jim James' "shit" is better than your best.
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This is CRAZY TALK. AT DAWN is my favorite record EVER, and one of the HIGHLIGHTS is HONEST MAN. When Jim belts out those screams......COME ON PEOPLE!!!!! On Vinyl it ends side two, fucking perfect. Shit, I LOVE Honest Man, for real.
Ha, nice post Tracy. We were like typing at the same time and shit.
Let's make out?
QuoteHa, nice post Tracy. We were like typing at the same time and shit.
Let's make out?
one step ahead of you...
Goat Boy look what you started...why don't you explain yourself... >:(
last time I say this: going to a band's web site and calling one of their songs "shit" is uncool. Period. Be you old, young, clueless, with it, without it, scattered, covered, smothered, etc... it is absolutely unnecessary and it's uncool.
It is, and will always be, an uncool thing to do (and by uncool I mean it's not a cool thing to do). Call me every name in the book, but that will always be an uncool thing to do.
that's it. not cool.
Quotewhy don't you explain yourself... >:(
Gimmie a chance! Ok it's repetitive and derivative. Melodically its very weak by their standards and I understand that its casual abrasiveness means it was perhaps included for sequencing reasons but I really don't think it was necessary. It sounds like a parody that it perhaps was intended to be but I don't feel it rises above this not especially lofty goal. It doesn't transcend its influences you know? As for the issue of it belonging there, well, personally I don't think it does. Not all artists are the best judge of their own work you know? Dylan and Prince being two obvious examples. That's why Blind Willie McTell was left off Infidels. Or Series Of Dreams from Oh Mercy etc. Jim James might think it's a good song I dunno. He might think it's integral to the album. I don't and I think it interrupts the flow. Who's right? Me or Jim? Tick, tock, tick, tock. Neither, of course. We are both right. So in my world it doesn't belong there.
QuoteGoat Boy look what you started...
And all by saying ONE MMJ song is 'shit'! ::) Don't you think it's sad that something so small can wind certain people up round here?
QuotePeople being critical of obviously talented people reminds me of those old white farts who announce basketball on TV; those old guys, who can't even touch the net, criticzing the way Lebron James plays basketball, when Lebron's worst mistakes look like masterpieces compared to what those guys could do on an NBA court. Just sit back in awe, and marvel at his mistakes, b/c at his worst, he is better than you at your best.
So my advice is go write the words and music to Heartbreakin Man, The Bear, Nashville to Kentucky, Old Sept. Blues, It's About Twilight Now, Evelyn Is Not Real, War Begun, Picture of You, I Will Be There When You Die, The Dark, By My Car, I Think I'm Going to Hell, At Dawn, Low Down, The Way That He Sings, Death Is the Easy Way, Hopefully, Bermuda Highway, Xmas Curtain, If It Smashes Down,
I Needed It Most, Strangulation, and then (and only then) tell me how Honest Man is "shit".
Here. We. Go. Again. So in your world no art or culture can be criticised or critiqued unless you paint, write, sing etc as well as the person or persons you are critiquing? Until I write songs as good as blah blah blah which is completely unmeasurable of course as it's purely subjective then I shouldn't have the temerity to say that in my own personal opinion a little 'ol
song is a bit shit, especially compared to what they usually do? Next time I go to the cinema I won't comment AT ALL because, well, I've never actually made or directed a movie so you know? That book I read last week I have no opinion on it at all. Why should I? After all I've never written a book let alone published one so I can't criticise or pass comment on it. I mean you refer 'obviously talented people' like this is a measurable quality. It is not. There is no such thing in art. It ain't sport. It's MUSIC, so you cannot say that he is 'obviously' talented as it is, of course, purely subjective. Some people don't think Jim James is talented at all. Who's right? Neither obviously.
I mean why do you take these things so personal? Are you really Jim James Mum or something? I said one MMJ song is shit and you immediately jump in to protect the helpless band from this stinging criticism. Everything is up for debate, nothing is holy. It's just a band and it's just a song. But hey, at least this weeds out the men from the boys. The people who can actually say 'personally I rather like it' as opposed to the sensitive types like yourself who cannot stand to see something they love slagged off and then come up with some silly argument to back it up. How insecure. Have you never left a cinema and just said 'gee, that was shit'? I'm sure you have however by your logic you are not entitled to do so because, I'm guessing, you haven't actually directed a film so you're like one of 'those people' (warning: generalisation!)
Finally it is not just the bands website is it? This section - the forum - belongs to the fans. Me, you and that guy in the corner with the funny hair. So I'm free to say whatever I want about any song be it positive or negative. Perhaps it's the fact that I called it 'shit' without expanding why that got your back up? Well I've done that in reply to Big Evil now so you can read why I don't rate it. However people round here who praise something don't need to usually expand on why they think it's good do they? Often all you get here is 'it's awesome', 'amazing song' etc. This level if critique is fine and dandy as long as it's positive seemingly. However when it's negative - labeling a song 'shit' - you instantly jump in to protect poor MMJ. What this boils down to is that you don't appear to like anybody saying negative things about this band on this forum do you? You are trying to impose your beliefs on this place and the posting habits of others. It actually pisses you off. Weird. You've harped on to me about respecting peoples opinions and all that jazz yet I label a song 'shit' and you post that shite suggesting that I'm a sad cunt, similar to those old white guys in basketball or whatever for merely giving an opinion that doesn't go along with yours. Real clever. Positive opinions are welcomed, negative ones are to be derided and questioned. Well done.
QuoteIn the meantime, realize that Jim James' "shit" is better than your best.
Again, you take it so personally. But perhaps I'm better at painting? Or making love? Or playing computer games? Or I'm smarter at Maths and History? Perhaps I can put more smarties in my mouth? And so on....
Of course you are free to say anything negative about the band, the music, their peanut butter pudding habits ;D, etc...I don't think that's the point here.
It's that you picked a song that some folks like, and they responded. Tongue in cheek, firmly planted. I personally don't think it's cool to say a song is "shit"-but I'm guessing you're of the position that the somber acoustic MMJ is your style and your bread and butter. That's fine. But, be prepared to debate your position if you think a loud/rock song is "shit", when "honest man" is clearly NOT "shit". Hell, even "Lead me Father" on the AD demo disc, while not my personal favorite, isn't "shit".
There's this magic "next track" button on your CD player. Use it! Or even better, program your CD player to automatically skip it. If you're lstening to it on vinyl, move the arm over and skip the track...make a mix CD, something, anything.
You probably know that this band resonates pretty loudly with its fans, and we're all pretty rabid and Davidian Ranch-like in our fervor-you included.
Just my two cents. :)
Quote
What this boils down to is that you don't appear to like anybody saying negative things about this band on this forum do you?
Lord all mighty I think he's getting it! It has taken him a while! But I really think he is starting to get it!
QuoteOf course you are free to say anything negative about the band, the music, their peanut butter pudding habits ;D, etc...I don't think that's the point here.
Evil tracy said....
QuoteSo my advice is go write the words and music to Heartbreakin Man, The Bear, Nashville to Kentucky, Old Sept. Blues, It's About Twilight Now, Evelyn Is Not Real, War Begun, Picture of You, I Will Be There When You Die, The Dark, By My Car, I Think I'm Going to Hell, At Dawn, Low Down, The Way That He Sings, Death Is the Easy Way, Hopefully, Bermuda Highway, Xmas Curtain, If It Smashes Down,
I Needed It Most, Strangulation, and then (and only then) tell me how Honest Man is "shit".
Whic amounts to - you can't say it's shit cos you haven't written songs as good as those. Isn't this clear? Of course I'm free to say it's shit but Tracy doesn't seem to believe that negative criticism is valid or has a place on this board.
QuoteIt's that you picked a song that some folks like, and they responded. Tongue in cheek, firmly planted.
If Tracys post is 'tongue in cheek' then you're obviously seeing something I ain't. I am responding to Tracy, nobody else, they are free to like the song obviously.
QuoteI personally don't think it's cool to say a song is "shit"-but I'm guessing you're of the position that the somber acoustic MMJ is your style and your bread and butter.
Not at all. It's just not a very good song imo.
QuoteThat's fine. But, be prepared to debate your position if you think a loud/rock song is "shit", when "honest man" is clearly NOT "shit". Hell, even "Lead me Father" on the AD demo disc, while not my personal favorite, isn't "shit".
Imo it's shit, you disagree.
QuoteThere's this magic "next track" button on your CD player. Use it! Or even better, program your CD player to automatically skip it. If you're lstening to it on vinyl, move the arm over and skip the track...make a mix CD, something, anything.
Eh? I like to listen to albums as they were intended. Warts and all. Honest Man therefore spoils my enjoyment of At Dawn. Again this is similar to Tracy in that it comes from the 'why bother criticising something' school of thought as if this is less valid or does not belong on this forum. This is how I see it and others have said similar things on an earlier thread I posted.
QuoteYou probably know that this band resonates pretty loudly with its fans, and we're all pretty rabid and Davidian Ranch-like in our fervor-you included.
Would that make Tracy David Koresh then?
gee whiz goat, good thing you're not taking any of this persoanlly. (you actually said "at least this weeds out the men from the boys"? ;D) I think you just set the record for posting someone else's name (mine) in a post to someone else. I am flattered... ::)
I'll be awaiting your release of original songs that tops At Dawn. Keep me posted. And no shit, please! Plus, make it available for free download (of course) and I'll just pay to see you on your tour!
waiting... (and try to be cool, it won't hurt you, just give it a try).
QuoteQuote
What this boils down to is that you don't appear to like anybody saying negative things about this band on this forum do you?
Lord all mighty I think he's getting it!
Your proud of it as well! ::) And cos you don't like ANY negativity you feel the need to compare me to 'those people' like white basketball commentators (presumably old black ones can say what they want) who have the nerve to criticise. You want the board to be a certain way. You want it to be a homogenised love fest where everybody sucks the bands and each others cocks and people like me who actually put forward differening opinions to the overwhelming majority around here get replies like yours. Anything negative or against this grain and you jump on it.
QuoteQuoteQuote
What this boils down to is that you don't appear to like anybody saying negative things about this band on this forum do you?
Lord all mighty I think he's getting it!
Your proud of it as well! ::) And cos you don't like ANY negativity you feel the need to compare me to 'those people' like white basketball commentators (presumably old black ones can say what they want) who have the nerve to criticise. You want the board to be a certain way. You want it to be a homogenised love fest where everybody sucks the bands and each others cocks and people like me who actually put forward differening opinions to the overwhelming majority around here get replies like yours. Anything negative or against this grain and you jump on it.
name 1 old black announcer of NBA basketball....
and why are you repeating yourself? I'm done, you know my stance, hopefully. If it's really no big deal, like you say, then why so huffy? Just ignore me (even though you get a kick out of me responding ;)). I may give you something more later, so just stand by.
have a good one
Quotegee whiz goat, good thing you're not taking any of this persoanlly. (you actually said "at least this weeds out the men from the boys"? ;D) I think you just set the resocrd for posting someone else's name (mine) in a post to someone else. I am falltered... ::)
Take a quote and use it out of context. Good one! Out of the whole post that's what you pick up on? Revealing. It wasn't entirely serious you know? But at least it's good to know where the lines in the sand are drawn. I'm figuring out what certain posters are like and where they are coming from. Me and you are Mars and Venus mate.
Quote
I'll be awaiting your release of original songs that tops At Dawn. Please make it available for free download (of course) and I'll just pay to see you on your tour!
Have you ever criticised ANYTHING in your life? Do you NEVER say something is shit? Or do you live your life by your own maxim and don't critique or slag off ANYTHING unless you have experience in it yourself? Do you slag TV shows or politicians? I hope not cos that would be hypocritical. I say one song is shit and this is how you react? ;D
Quote
waiting... (and try to be cool, it won't hurt you, just give it a try).
I'm cooler than a frozen Fonzy.
YES! I have drawn the line in the sand! If you come to the board and say a MMJ song is shit, you shall hear it from me! Pistols at dawn! (now that's clever)
QuoteQuote
name 1 old black announcer of NBA basketball....
Mr T? I'm Scottish mate. I know nothing about basketball or basketball commentators in the states.
Quoteand why are you repeating yourself? I'm done, you know my stance, hopefully. If it's really no big deal, like you say, then why so huffy? I may give you something more later, so just stand by.
have a good one
I await with baited breath for you to reply.
QuoteEh? I like to listen to albums as they were intended. Warts and all. Honest Man therefore spoils my enjoyment of At Dawn
Point taken, but I'm confused. You earlier said:
QuoteIt just doesn't belong there
So....which is it? Do you like to listen to albums as they were intended, warts and all, or you think "Honest Man" doesn't belong there?
Goat Boy, you really are a goat. I understand your opinion, but is Honest Man really shit? Shit is disgusting, brown, and black, purple (sometimes red), mud that smells like death, and comes from one's ass. Is this what HM is to you. It might not be your favorite MMJ song, but if it was the only one in the juke box, would you listen to it. I think the way you approach things, and the way you express your self is a little arrogant and almighty (and definitly negative). You have about 66 posts and I think 60 of them are negative comments. You started with the idea the Pink Floyd sucks. If you want my opinion...I think you suck...but nothing personal.
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You want the board to be a certain way. You want it to be a homogenised love fest where everybody sucks the bands and each others cocks
you say that like it's a bad thing?
(I'm a balls man, myself, but, uh, perhaps TMI)
QuoteYou have about 66 posts and I think 60 of them are negative comments. .
me thinks this ain't goatboys
first journey down the MMJ forum pathway... just a hunch. And he's not as much a goat as he is trying to get everyone elses goat. :)
QuoteQuoteYou have about 66 posts and I think 60 of them are negative comments. .
me thinks this ain't goatboys first journey down the MMJ forum pathway... just a hunch. And he's not as much a goat as he is trying to get everyone elses goat. :)
You're right it's not. I posted a few times before under the name ivor but I registered using a yahoo email account, didnt change my password, and the email account was closed after being inactive after 30 days so I registered again as Goat Boy!
I'm not trying to actively piss people off (hasn't worked with Big Evil) but getting used to a FAN forum as opposed to the only other forum I use (general music and chat forum) that is a LOT different to this place takes some getting used to. My style (as it is) seems confrontational as does my use of language but this is partly a cultural thing I feel. Brits swear more than Americans. I mean all I did was say a song is shit. That's all.
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You want the board to be a certain way. You want it to be a homogenised love fest where everybody sucks the bands and each others cocks
you say that like it's a bad thing?
(I'm a balls man, myself, but, uh, perhaps TMI)
Not at all but is is a thing. Anyone up for some soggy biscuit? Be warned though, I've abstained for 9 days so it will be one MIGHTY soggy biscuit.
QuoteI posted a few times before under the name ivor
Because you were inspired by Ivor The Engine?
(http://www.whirligig-tv.co.uk/tv/children/ivortheengine/ivortheengine.jpg)
A whole episode!!!
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=fDWk0BCeblQ
QuoteQuoteI posted a few times before under the name ivor
Because you were inspired by Ivor The Engine?
(http://www.whirligig-tv.co.uk/tv/children/ivortheengine/ivortheengine.jpg)
Ivor Cutler! But I know Ivor the Engine although that's a bit before my time. I'm a Thomas man myself.
I would like to thank everyone for this thread and discussion (even GB). It has made me listen to AD over and over, and everytime I have found something new. Like the ups and downs of life, At Dawn is a wonderful ride that can not be taken lightly. I want to also thank MMJ for giving us such a beautiful gift.
QuoteQuoteEh? I like to listen to albums as they were intended. Warts and all. Honest Man therefore spoils my enjoyment of At Dawn
Point taken, but I'm confused. You earlier said:
QuoteIt just doesn't belong there
So....which is it? Do you like to listen to albums as they were intended, warts and all, or you think "Honest Man" doesn't belong there?
I feel stylistically it doesn't belong there. Plus it's far too long. I could stand it more if it was a 2 minute blast but not 7. It sucks the life a bit out of the middle of the album. I can still listen to an record all the way through and think a song doesn't really belong there you know? Sometimes I'll skip if it comes on my ipod but thats part of the ipod experience of course but if I sit down in my flat with a joint to play an album it's on from beginning to end.
It's like Sloop John B. I listen to it but it doesn't really belong on the album does it? I know it was included at Al Jardine insistence (I think it was him anyway) but still, you get my point no?
You think HM is long, you should check out Cobra on Chocolate and Ice...24 minutes. With that said, I grew up listening to the Grateful Dead, so 7 minutes (and even 24 minutes) is nothing.
QuoteShit is disgusting, brown, and black, purple (sometimes red), mud that smells like death, and comes from one's ass. Is this what HM is to you.
Your getting bogged down in semantics. Although I do like that quote and this is priceless...
QuoteI understand your opinion, but is Honest Man really shit?
Well you obviously
don't understand
at all. IT'S SHIT IN MY OPINION. Open your mouth so I can pull some more teeth please. I gave some reasons why I don't like it and why I feel the performance doesn't cut it. Isn't that enough? Obviously not. I think it's a dud. Especially in the context of the album and by MMJ standards it is shit. No, it isnt literally shit and doesn't repel me in the same way shit would if you shoved it in my face. Ok, that's a lie, I'm actually a scat munching fiend so that would probably turn me on however all this cos I said a song you like is shit!
QuoteIt might not be your favorite MMJ song, but if it was the only one in the juke box, would you listen to it.
The only song or the only MMJ song? Both times, the answer is no. I'm being an Honest Man here.
QuoteYou have about 66 posts and I think 60 of them are negative comments.
So what? I'm glad you're keeping score though. I have posted positive things (in fact recently I posted a long message that was
very positive about the band and the effect they had on me but ignore that and focus solely on the negative). However the gushing nature of this forum brings out my negativity as a reaction to this. The yang to the yin. Perhaps next time I should post a thread entitled 'MMJ RAWKS MY WORLD!!!! LOL' or 'How MMJ saved my life and are the greatest thing eva and they really FREAKIN' RAWK!!' and that would meet your approval?
QuoteYou started with the idea the Pink Floyd sucks.
No, no, no. I said Roger Waters Pink Floyd sucked. There is a difference!
QuoteIf you want my opinion...I think you suck...but nothing personal.
You think I suck? Damn, a stranger on the internet thinks Goat Boy sucks! What is a poor goat to do? ::) Perhaps I'll go munch some poo.....hmmm....poo
i listened to at dawn, and sang along, EVERY morning in the show for approximately 1.5 years.
those were the best years of my life. that was the summer of '69. me and from guys from school had a band, and we tried real hard. but jody quit, and jimmy got married.
and formed my morning jacket.
and they hid out for 2 decades.
and then they made at dawn.
and the world life expectancy rate was increased because hearts grew.
QuoteYou think HM is long, you should check out Cobra on Chocolate and Ice...24 minutes. With that said, I grew up listening to the Grateful Dead, so 7 minutes (and even 24 minutes) is nothing.
I am aware of Cobra. I am also aware of The Dead even though I lean heavily towards American Beauty and Workingmans Dead. Live Dead is tremendous though. That Golden Road boxset looks tempting. One of my favourite albums is Bitches Brew. First two songs lasting around 20mins each. Long songs are not a problem for Goat Boy. Marquee Moon and Rosalita will be played at my funeral. Plus probably Fists Of Love by Big Black as I want a song about fisting pumping out when they lower the coffin! Long songs with not enough ideas or not a good enough idea worth repeating over 7 minutes I don't like however. Like I said as a 2minute blast halfway through I would like it a
bit better. But not much.
Aye carumba!
Quote ...I want a song about fisting pumping out when they lower the coffin!
So you're into fisting, huh? That explains why you don't like Honest Man. ;)
Regardless of your sexual tendancies, you should really consider cremation.
QuoteQuote ...I want a song about fisting pumping out when they lower the coffin!
So you're into fisting, huh? That explains why you don't like Honest Man. ;)
Regardless of your sexual tendancies, you should really consider cremation.
Yes ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D ;D ;D
it is really great. still love ISM better
I feel that Honest Man is the odd tune on the album; it is jarring. I like the song but not on the album. It feels like a tune that should've been put on an EP. I feel the same way about The Dark and It's About Twilight Now on The Tennessee Fire.
We should discuss the album now...I'll give my thoughts after work.
I'm sorry, I can't believe Goat is telling the truth.
[size=24]I was just listening to AD from the start...and at the end of Bermuda Highway, it was all calm...I was nice and relaxed...and than all of a sudden...my head explodes with the roar of Honest Man. With it's power and drive I was awakened and revived to survive the rest of At Dawn. Yes![/size]
This song was a blessing...I "leave you kinkin' and screaming."
Anyone who does not like Honest Man does not get My Morning Jacket, and should not even be allowed to purchase their music.
Incredible track.....on it's own.....as well as in the context of the album.
QuoteAnyone who does not like Honest Man does not get My Morning Jacket, and should not even be allowed to purchase their music.
Incredible track.....on it's own.....as well as in the context of the album.
Word.
I just dropped the needle on my new copy of At Dawn for the first time with SennHeiser 650's I just had to get for school and....damn. That At Dawn drone intro. this album is so good.
Quote from: jttouch2 on Oct 07, 2019, 12:56 PMI just dropped the needle on my new copy of At Dawn for the first time with SennHeiser 650's I just had to get for school and....damn. That At Dawn drone intro. this album is so good.
Mmmmmm, Sennheisers
So Good!
I know this thread is 11 years old but I wanna chime in and say that Honest Man is one of my favorite studio tracks they've ever done.
It's a little ways away, but it would be amazing if they did a 20th anniversary celebration like they did for TFF a few months ago. Even better if it's at the Cap Theater.
Quote from: APR on Oct 09, 2019, 01:17 PMIt's a little ways away, but it would be amazing if they did a 20th anniversary celebration like they did for TFF a few months ago. Even better if it's at the Cap Theater.
Yay-yes!!!
Quote from: APR on Oct 09, 2019, 01:17 PMIt's a little ways away, but it would be amazing if they did a 20th anniversary celebration like they did for TFF a few months ago. Even better if it's at the Cap Theater.
I like the way you think :thumbsup: :cool: