Started by dcfire, Dec 31, 2017, 07:50 pm
Quote from: RobRoy286 on Jan 01, 2018, 01:28 pmWho posts on a forum to complain about a set...during the set?!
Quote from: dontgetupset on Jan 01, 2018, 08:59 pmEric once again seems to be the sole voice of reason here. I flew in just for New Years as I was unable to attend the first two shows. As a result my long post will be somewhat informed by my not having been there for the whole 3 day experience. Nonetheless, this is basically a mini-review and both a clarification and justification for my violation of MMJ Forum Commandment #4 not to post in the forum during a show (unless its purely positive).The good: As I've written here before this band lives by their own adage and doesn't ever turn it off. Seeing them on an off night (last night was not an off night) is vastly more enjoyable than seeing most bands on an "on" night. Colorado is a great place to spend time and in theory would seem like a great place to have a special MMJ show. The same way it was nice for midwesterners to get the Chicago Theatre shows a couple years back its nice for people not on the Northeast Corridor and not in California to be graced with a special series of MMJ shows. Horns also are always an enhancement (though we'll come back to this in "THE BAD" later) and certain songs almost feel incomplete without them "Easy Morning Rebel" (which I'm saddened to have missed) being one of them.Before I knew about the ticket selling woes I thought a 6500 person venue was probably a smart choice in maintaining the intimate club feel but avoiding an arena show with thousands of empty seats (like the MSG 12/14/11 show that I am amaaaaazed was over 6 years ago). I still think their thought process in this regard was pretty smart though the choice of venue was a mistake (which we will also come back to).The show itself: Karl Denson was a solid opener and the crowd seemed to be giving him more attention/adulation than other openers could potentially be getting (going back to 12/14/11 I felt that Band of Horses was largely ignored almost painfully so.) Always good to have someone upbeat to rile the crowd up for a horn-heavy main act.The setlist was not so much different than Boston NYE 2012 and San Fran NYE 2006 which both had 27 songs. I was personally expecting something closer to MSG 2008 with 32 songs but I realize that not every show can be an all time great and it seems that in retrospect the MSG show was particularly special and the Boston show was not. This was definitely an "enhanced" setlist (solely due to the covers) but more akin to a Red Rocks setlist than a T5/MSG2008. I loved the fact that the Cobra segued into the Miss you (and seemed at the end to segue back into Cobra shortly) and I also loved that the Thank You Falletenme Be Mice Elf segued into the Rhythym Nation (at least that's the way I heard it but its not the way its listed on the setlists). On the topic of covers they were all good to very good (and I loved Carl singing the "She Loves You" parts at the end of All You Need Is Love) though the only two that I think I'll be listening to in years from now are the Thank You (which had an additional increased funkiness and didn't sound like a note-for-note replication) and the following Rhythym Nation which reminded me of some T5 covers (and Jim at Lockn singing Jane's Addiction this past summer) where there's a grittiness and you know they're hearking back to a song they loved as kids. The pyrotechnics were cool but a little simplistic and the lighting was cool as usual. Neither of those things did anything to make me think that what I was experiencing was "epic" but they were cute and appropriate.The Bad:Firstly I was in the stands Carl side and I think the Floor looked great. I just couldn't deal with standing for 5-6 hours so I took the lazy route. My first criticism is therefore somewhat linked to sitting there and looking at the empty seats (that were cordoned off) on the sides of the stage which got me to think about all of the empty seats in the building (apparently a lot more pronounced on the first 2 nights).I don't know if its a reflection on band management, a reflection on whats' sadly a weak fan base (not the people here obviously) or just a minor error on the part of the band but frankly its embarrassing. As I said above its nice to spread the (in keeping with the completely overplayed theme of the evening) "LOVE" all over the country but you kinda realize why bands both like playing and often have disproportionately more shows in NYC - people show up!!At the Aloft Broomfield I asked one the employees whether things were "crazy" and she basically said "nope. nothing like previous bands." This is sad for me. I think this band is so great and they can't even sell out a small(er) venue after announcing that they aren't playing US shows again till 2019??? Look, none of us can force the masses into becoming dedicated fans and history is replete with bands that never got their due in their lifetime but this should have been easy. I have no doubt that Umphreys and other Denver area NYE shows took some fans away but that again is indicative of poor management.When I posted "this set sucks" (EGAD! in the middle of the show!) I was correct. YOU ARE PLAYING YOUR FINAL US SHOW FOR OVER A YEAR AND 12 SONGS IN YOU HAVE ONE COVER AND NOT A SINGLE SONG FROM THE FIRST 3 ALBUMS!??!?! Sitting at my computer at home 1000+ miles away and almost a day removed I actually am more bothered by this now than I was at the time. This was simply inexcusable. I fully understand that this was the THIRD night and that REALLY they were 60 songs in at this point but I unfortunately to not accept that as a valid excuse. Rollin Back for example is not a By My Car but it hasn't been played since the Beacon (over 2 years ago) and should have (or pick your song) taken the place of Compound Fracture , Spring or Tropics in their "Farewell show." (Dancing in the Dark was fine and fun.)Starting with Cobra things started to resemble what the show should have been. The Waterfall filler was out of the way and the band could start having fun with the upbeat covers that had made their previous New Years shows memorable. Sadly, Jim at least feels the need to be overly overtly political at the expense of an enjoyable evening. Don't get me wrong: My politics are the same left of center that most people's here seem to be. We all deplore racism/sexism/chauvinism and we all love love and hate hate. That being said...... ughghgghgghg.I'm not 100% sure why they needed a 25 minute break to then play for another 40 minutes but I'm not a singer or a musician so maybe this was NECESSARY. It would seem to me that on a momentous occasion like this maybe play a few more songs especially of you don't have any shows for weeks?? Like I said I don't know and Jim definitely has to rest his vocal cords from time to time so maybe this is an invalid criticism. In keeping with this theme though I thought the combination of the video the guys with the signs and the LOVE songs was trite and took what could have been a dance party and made it something more mellow. Maybe this is what Jim thinks is necessary at this time but this was New Years Eve. Save the political stuff for interviews/social media/ or other shows. I understand that he wanted to destroy 2017 and usher in 2018 ASAP but I really think it was over the top and was an additional damper on the evening. (By the way I'll mention now that I don't mind you coming along and responding that I'm totally off base and that all of this was needed and well-taken last night. I genuinely have no idea what percentage of others here share my feelings but I'm sure they exist.)The mix was off. Really off. At times the keys were way too loud and often the horns were completely drowned out. I know Tom was fiddling with stuff all night and between hand signals to techies and all that fiddling there seemed to have been more sound issues going on than I've seen before.) I don't know if this is an MMJ issue or a venue issue but the mix problem was very evident to me. It could be that this was largely a result of where I was in the stands and if I was in the center of the floor I would have had more balance. Maybe? I'd love to hear what others thought about this.Finally, coming back to the song choices the fact that there were 3 Tenn Fire, At Dawn, and It Still Moves songs (other than OBH) is INSANE. If you're not willing to acknowledge this then you're in denial. As I mentioned above I know that for many they feel they got their fix by going to all three nights and aren't gonna be as miffed as I am having only been to NYE but the criminality fo this should not have to be elaborated upon.Honestly, I think its time this band takes a long break. I love em and emotionally I want there to be lots of shows in 2018 but intellectually I realize that something is wrong. Distance makes the heart grow fonder and hopefully that aphorism holds true both from the fans to the band and from the band to the fans. Wilco are doing it in 2018 and they too have had their share of "live staleness" over the course of the last couple years. I want to see this band to continue performing at their peak for the years and decades ahead and maybe (probably?) a nice long refresher is exactly what everybody needs.
Quote from: jttouch2 on Jan 02, 2018, 02:07 amI understand the reasons for disappointment because there are definitely some deeper cuts they could've busted out but I don't really see how any of this could be reason to panic. The first two nights were absolutely INCREDIBLE!!! Sure the last night could've been a little less vanilla in the setlist and could've gone a bit longer, but I left nothing less than euphoric every night. The jams in Phone, Dondante, and Carried Away were by far my favorite versions of the songs, (the Phone was the longest Phone performance to date as was the extended Xmas Curtain I think), and that Slow Slow Tune solo from Carl that he kept playing through the last verse was just beyond ridiculous. It's really hard for me to look at those moments and see how this band won't come back stronger than ever in 2019 with a kickass new album and monstrous tour to go with it.
Quote from: Jbpats on Jan 02, 2018, 09:00 amTo each their own, I personally would have been in heaven if I was able to catch this three night run, and that is coming from somebody who has seen probably too many 'post waterfall' shows and sets.While I understand the NYE show disappointment to some diehard fans, you have to think the band treats a show like this similar to a festival set. New/Casual fans are at the show, probably even some people that never heard their music before.. it's a play it safe atmosphere, play the songs that might create some buzz and some new fans, play some party favorite covers since its NYE. All this being said, these reactions don't surprise me.. People around here were starting to get angry with the band in the summer when their one off shows were pretty much the same standard stale set list night in and night out, and while diehard fans (myself alike) would have loved to hear They Ran or The Bear on NYE, those aren't really NYE get the party going type songs, the fact a few are upset they weren't played is surprising to me. I mean it happens, the band is overdue for a new album, or at the very least they were due to stop touring the Waterfall release. These guys have families, side projects, and need to live their lives. Since The Waterfall both Jim and Carl released solo albums, and toured them. Carl did some shows recently with Stealism and Jim went on his acoustic solo outings, it's not like they're sitting around doing nothing. They're constantly giving us new music even though it's not MMJ branded music. Personally, somehow, this band always grabs me, I enter this euphoric state and close my eyes and am taking to another world, there are very few other places I'd rather be then a jacket show. On NYE this year I said Dopapod in Boston, one of my other favorite bands. They played for 4+ hours and quite honestly it was too much for me, they started to lose me and they actually lost a lot of the crowd. A few people I were with never saw them before, loved the first 2 hours and by the end all said that they don't think they would ever go see them again. So while a sub 3 hour show might seem short to some, a longer show might have lost new fans they were trying to grab.. A key to success is always leave with the fans wanting more. These dudes just shredded for 3 nights straight and played over 60 tunes, and it sounds like they left with a lot of you wanting more. Either way just be grateful we have it while we still do. The new music scene these days is not very good.
Quote from: midwesterner on Jan 02, 2018, 10:57 amAs someone who has seen 40 plus MMJ shows starting in 2002. 3 MMJ NYE shows, the first 2 Boston pop shows, all 5 terminal 5 shows, most of the Red Rocks shows. I thought it was a great 3 nights. And NYE is exactly what I expected. It definitely was closer to the Boston NYE than MSG. With more of a wrap up vibe than an all out night of new covers etc. People that are upset need to let go of their expectations. I personally think there were great moments every night.The Touch Me > Cobra > Miss You (was worth the weekend alone and reminded me a lot of Terminal 5 at Dawn night were they also combined the two songs but it was Miss You into Cobra)Steam Engine > The First Time (was sick and a great version)Don Dante ( was a very interesting version)PS they played Rhythm Nation and that was awesome.
Quote from: rna2525 on Jan 02, 2018, 01:47 amIts def painc time if your a MMJ fan.
Quote from: piton87 on Jan 02, 2018, 11:01 amI certainly hope the band doesn't read this board. It seems like some of you are coming off as ungrateful. Its a privileged not a right to go these shows. They don't owe us anything. Nothings guaranteed. I am thankful I am alive the same time they are so I get to see them live. I didn't go to any shows but from what I have seen on social media it looked incredible. I can't wait for OBH4.
QuoteSo what's left? Some heavy hitters. Hopefully a few rare gems sprinkled inOBHBlack MetalPhone Went WestGideonTropicsEvil UrgesCompound FractureWordlessTouch me 2Victory DanceHighly SuspiciousDancefloorsSpringCobra?The Bear?