2012-2013 College Basketball

[iLikeBeer]

Reading back a page in here, Im surprised to see everyone think the West is the weakest region. Zags are the most unproven if not weakest 1 seed, but I think OSU is the best 2 seed, New Mexico arguably the best 3, and I think K-State and Wisky are definitely the best 4 and 5 seeds (Wisky over Zags looks like the trendy pick). I think the other regions are all pretty even, East the weakest probably because Marquette seems like they were overseeded as a 3, should be more like a 5.

Scotty, seeing New Mexico, KSU and Wisky lost n the first round and the worst #1 seed in the history of the tournament barely got past Southern and was then exposed in losing in the 2nd round, I think it has now been proven pretty emphatically why the consensus opinion of the west region was by far the weakest region in the tournament.

[Tracy 2112]

FGCU won the support of everyone in the Wells Fargo arena this past weekend... with the exception of Hoyas and Aztec fans... Their high flying style of play was fun to watch.  At first I was a little disappointed that they were the first game Sunday night, but not anymore.  Duke might have been the big draw for Philly, but FGCU took the spotlight.  Their game against the Hoyas was so exciting I was too drained to stay for the SDSU/OU game, it was a long day of basketball.  I'm glad I was able to get tix to these games.  Go Eagles!!

Nice. There's a life memory for sure!

[capt. scotty]

Reading back a page in here, Im surprised to see everyone think the West is the weakest region. Zags are the most unproven if not weakest 1 seed, but I think OSU is the best 2 seed, New Mexico arguably the best 3, and I think K-State and Wisky are definitely the best 4 and 5 seeds (Wisky over Zags looks like the trendy pick). I think the other regions are all pretty even, East the weakest probably because Marquette seems like they were overseeded as a 3, should be more like a 5.

Scotty, seeing New Mexico, KSU and Wisky lost n the first round and the worst #1 seed in the history of the tournament barely got past Southern and was then exposed in losing in the 2nd round, I think it has now been proven pretty emphatically why the consensus opinion of the west region was by far the weakest region in the tournament.

Yeah, cant argue with that now. I definitely drank the kool-aid on New Mexico. Wisky always underachieves come tourney time it seems, so I wasnt surprised by them losing. K-State losing did surprise me, but LaSalle was red hot in their play-in game and that one as well. I dont think the Zags were exposed at all. Indiana almost lost to a one man Temple team, it can happen. It isnt all that uncommon for a 1 seed to lose in the 2nd round. More importantly I think Wichita St is just a good team. They beat the Zags by shooting 50% from 3 (14/28) and many werent open looks, after shooting 2/20 from 3 against Pitt. Pitt beat Cuse this year, lost to Michigan by 5, lost to Louisville by 3. Their worst loss was 10 to Marquette. Wichita St made them look like they didnt belong in the tourney and beat Pitt by 18.

[Ruckus]

I just don't understand why ball batted out of bounds play isn't reviewable by rule under two minutes.  That has a greater impact on the game than determining a two or a three.  The blown call with 30 seconds to go in the Illinois game was brutal.  We played well enough despite our shooting struggles but the ball down 2 under 30 seconds is a lot better than the ball down 4 under 30 seconds.

Sour Grapes

[iLikeBeer]

I just don't understand why ball batted out of bounds play isn't reviewable by rule under two minutes.  That has a greater impact on the game than determining a two or a three.  The blown call with 30 seconds to go in the Illinois game was brutal.  We played well enough despite our shooting struggles but the ball down 2 under 30 seconds is a lot better than the ball down 4 under 30 seconds.

Sour Grapes

No sour grapes at all Ruckus.  You have a legit complaint.  That was an absolute brutal call to go against you at that point in the game.  I totally agree that something like that should definitely be a reviewable play.  I mean, to add to your argument about reviewing whether a shot was a 2 or a 3, how many times do the refs stop the damn games already to review whether a foul was flagrant or not and those reviews usually take FOREVER?!  Furtermore, even more disappointing than that play not being reviewable is that fact that there are THREE freaking officials on the floor and not ONE of them saw that the ball CLEARLY went off of the Miami player?  Complete bullshit if you ask me... 

I was rooting for your Illini in case you couldn't tell as it would have been even sweeter to get 5 B1G teams in the Sweet 16 to shut Charles 'I don't watch any college basketball but I have an opinion that the B1G is overrated' Barkley up even more!

[capt. scotty]

I just don't understand why ball batted out of bounds play isn't reviewable by rule under two minutes.

I dont see why it isnt a rule. Any change of possession type play like that under 2 minutes should be reviewable.

I was also surprised to find out Paul isnt projected to be picked in the NBA draft. He looks great, if not the best player on the court, any time Ive seen the Illini play.

[iLikeBeer]

I was also surprised to find out Paul isnt projected to be picked in the NBA draft. He looks great, if not the best player on the court, any time Ive seen the Illini play.

He's kind of a streaky shooter.  When he's on, he's tough to stop, but he can be real off as well.  Also, I think his defense is questionalbe, but it's the NBA so does that really matter?      

[Jackets N Pones]

I was also surprised to find out Paul isnt projected to be picked in the NBA draft. He looks great, if not the best player on the court, any time Ive seen the Illini play.

He's kind of a streaky shooter.  When he's on, he's tough to stop, but he can be real off as well.  Also, I think his defense is questionalbe, but it's the NBA so does that really matter?      

First time to watch Illinois was the Miami game and yeah I would draft that guy.

Also, pumped for these games tonight!

[Tracy 2112]

I was rooting for your Illini in case you couldn't tell as it would have been even sweeter to get 5 B1G teams in the Sweet 16 to shut Charles 'I don't watch any college basketball but I have an opinion that the B1G is overrated' Barkley up even more!

the big 10 is ALWAYS overrated; every year. Always, in everything. They simply don't have the hardware over the past 20 years to back up how "great" they are. But I guess if they keep getting 14 teams in the tourney every year, eventually they'll get a team on a streak and win 1.

[capt. scotty]

I was rooting for your Illini in case you couldn't tell as it would have been even sweeter to get 5 B1G teams in the Sweet 16 to shut Charles 'I don't watch any college basketball but I have an opinion that the B1G is overrated' Barkley up even more!

the big 10 is ALWAYS overrated; every year. Always, in everything. They simply don't have the hardware over the past 20 years to back up how "great" they are. But I guess if they keep getting 14 teams in the tourney every year, eventually they'll get a team on a streak and win 1.

They have 4 teams in the Sweet 16. Go back to your SEC shrine asshole.

[Tracy 2112]

I was rooting for your Illini in case you couldn't tell as it would have been even sweeter to get 5 B1G teams in the Sweet 16 to shut Charles 'I don't watch any college basketball but I have an opinion that the B1G is overrated' Barkley up even more!

the big 10 is ALWAYS overrated; every year. Always, in everything. They simply don't have the hardware over the past 20 years to back up how "great" they are. But I guess if they keep getting 14 teams in the tourney every year, eventually they'll get a team on a streak and win 1.

They have 4 teams in the Sweet 16. Go back to your SEC shrine asshole.

Oh, I didn't realize greatness was measured in Sweet 16 appearances. My bad...and to think Ole Miss was just 3 points away from being one of the great teams.

[capt. scotty]

I was rooting for your Illini in case you couldn't tell as it would have been even sweeter to get 5 B1G teams in the Sweet 16 to shut Charles 'I don't watch any college basketball but I have an opinion that the B1G is overrated' Barkley up even more!

the big 10 is ALWAYS overrated; every year. Always, in everything. They simply don't have the hardware over the past 20 years to back up how "great" they are. But I guess if they keep getting 14 teams in the tourney every year, eventually they'll get a team on a streak and win 1.

They have 4 teams in the Sweet 16. Go back to your SEC shrine asshole.

Oh, I didn't realize greatness was measured in Sweet 16 appearances. My bad...and to think Ole Miss was just 3 points away from being one of the great teams.

3 points from beating La Salle. LA SALLE!! I mean, Florida Dunk Coast might be the equivalent of University of Phoenix, but at least I can find them on a globe, or my GPS 

[ericm]

I was rooting for your Illini in case you couldn't tell as it would have been even sweeter to get 5 B1G teams in the Sweet 16 to shut Charles 'I don't watch any college basketball but I have an opinion that the B1G is overrated' Barkley up even more!

the big 10 is ALWAYS overrated; every year. Always, in everything. They simply don't have the hardware over the past 20 years to back up how "great" they are. But I guess if they keep getting 14 teams in the tourney every year, eventually they'll get a team on a streak and win 1.

They have 4 teams in the Sweet 16. Go back to your SEC shrine asshole.

Oh, I didn't realize greatness was measured in Sweet 16 appearances. My bad...and to think Ole Miss was just 3 points away from being one of the great teams.

3 points from beating La Salle. LA SALLE!! I mean, Florida Dunk Coast might be the equivalent of University of Phoenix, but at least I can find them on a globe, or my GPS 

Dude, if you were really up on college BBall, you'd know the five teams from Philly are always competitive, and it seems they manage to have one of them go deep pretty often. Nova, Temple, St. Joes, Penn, and LaSalle. There's some helluva comp in that city, and none of them back down from anyone. It just happens to be LaSalle this year. It's no shame for anyone to lose to that team this year,IMO.

[Tracy 2112]

I was rooting for your Illini in case you couldn't tell as it would have been even sweeter to get 5 B1G teams in the Sweet 16 to shut Charles 'I don't watch any college basketball but I have an opinion that the B1G is overrated' Barkley up even more!

the big 10 is ALWAYS overrated; every year. Always, in everything. They simply don't have the hardware over the past 20 years to back up how "great" they are. But I guess if they keep getting 14 teams in the tourney every year, eventually they'll get a team on a streak and win 1.

They have 4 teams in the Sweet 16. Go back to your SEC shrine asshole.

Oh, I didn't realize greatness was measured in Sweet 16 appearances. My bad...and to think Ole Miss was just 3 points away from being one of the great teams.

3 points from beating La Salle. LA SALLE!! I mean, Florida Dunk Coast might be the equivalent of University of Phoenix, but at least I can find them on a globe, or my GPS 

Wisconsin (the runner up in the Big 10 tournament, i.e. the greatest basketball conference on the planet in the universe) got beat by Ole Miss in the 1st round by 9. La Salle is having a great run.

your smack is weak

[capt. scotty]

My smack is weak? I said in this thread or the bracket thread I picked the fightin Hendersons over Wisky in a bracket because Wisky sucks. Bo Ryan couldnt coach himself out of a bag of Cheez-Its. They almost always underachieve in the tourney, just like my Pitt Panthers. Using them as a scapegoat is more than weak.

Ohio St won already. I dont think any other matchup is guaranteed, but Michigan, MSU, IU all have a great chance at the Elite 8. Just me, but I think MSU and IU get there, and thats with IU losing 11-5 halfway thru the first half right now

[Tracy 2112]

My smack is weak? I said in this thread or the bracket thread I picked the fightin Hendersons over Wisky in a bracket because Wisky sucks. Bo Ryan couldnt coach himself out of a bag of Cheez-Its. They almost always underachieve in the tourney, just like my Pitt Panthers. Using them as a scapegoat is more than weak.

Ohio St won already. I dont think any other matchup is guaranteed, but Michigan, MSU, IU all have a great chance at the Elite 8. Just me, but I think MSU and IU get there, and thats with IU losing 11-5 halfway thru the first half right now

your "logic" is hard to follow.

The Big 10, with 1 title in 23 years, is OVERRATED. Period. Every year. Period. Maybe they get 1 this year; maybe not. I actually like Michigan State and Michigan; I would like to see Izzo get another one. But until they do, I can't say the accolades they get year-in and year-out are warranted.

Does anyone really talk about the Buffalo Bills dynasty of the early 90's? No, they don't. Do you know why? It's because they never won the big one. Think about it...

[capt. scotty]

My smack is weak? I said in this thread or the bracket thread I picked the fightin Hendersons over Wisky in a bracket because Wisky sucks. Bo Ryan couldnt coach himself out of a bag of Cheez-Its. They almost always underachieve in the tourney, just like my Pitt Panthers. Using them as a scapegoat is more than weak.

Ohio St won already. I dont think any other matchup is guaranteed, but Michigan, MSU, IU all have a great chance at the Elite 8. Just me, but I think MSU and IU get there, and thats with IU losing 11-5 halfway thru the first half right now

your "logic" is hard to follow.

The Big 10, with 1 title in 23 years, is OVERRATED. Period. Every year. Period. Maybe they get 1 this year; maybe not. I actually like Michigan State and Michigan; I would like to see Izzo get another one. But until they do, I can't say the accolades they get year-in and year-out are warranted.

Does anyone really talk about the Buffalo Bills dynasty of the early 90's? No, they don't. Do you know why? It's because they never won the big one. Think about it...

I dont think you made 1 salient point in that post. The B1G may be overrated most years, but this year its the best conference. No doubt. It definitely isnt "year-in year-out"  regarded the best, typically that goes to the Big East or ACC. Which conference is better?!

[Tracy 2112]

My smack is weak? I said in this thread or the bracket thread I picked the fightin Hendersons over Wisky in a bracket because Wisky sucks. Bo Ryan couldnt coach himself out of a bag of Cheez-Its. They almost always underachieve in the tourney, just like my Pitt Panthers. Using them as a scapegoat is more than weak.

Ohio St won already. I dont think any other matchup is guaranteed, but Michigan, MSU, IU all have a great chance at the Elite 8. Just me, but I think MSU and IU get there, and thats with IU losing 11-5 halfway thru the first half right now

your "logic" is hard to follow.

The Big 10, with 1 title in 23 years, is OVERRATED. Period. Every year. Period. Maybe they get 1 this year; maybe not. I actually like Michigan State and Michigan; I would like to see Izzo get another one. But until they do, I can't say the accolades they get year-in and year-out are warranted.

Does anyone really talk about the Buffalo Bills dynasty of the early 90's? No, they don't. Do you know why? It's because they never won the big one. Think about it...

I dont think you made 1 salient point in that post. The B1G may be overrated most years, but this year its the best conference. No doubt. It definitely isnt "year-in year-out"  regarded the best, typically that goes to the Big East or ACC. Which conference is better?!

jeeez, dude, you're out of touch. I never said they are always regarded as THE BEST, I said they don't deserve the accolades they get year-in and year-out. At least read my posts.

[Tracy 2112]

Just me, but I think MSU and IU get there, and thats with IU losing 11-5 halfway thru the first half right now

Maybe MSU gets there... 

It's sort of like buying lottery tickets: the more picks you make, the higher the odds you'll eventually get one right.

So, IU, the best team in the "best" conference this year lost to Syracuse, the 5th best team in the Big East. Wonder why...    (I mean, besides Boeheim teaching Crean a lesson about coaching)

[capt. scotty]

I will let the B1G prove itself.

I picked Kansas to win it all, we shall see.