SPECULATION: I don't wanna read a thing

[Tracy 2112]

I hate posting pictures of cans of SpaghettiO's

[Taterbug]

I hate posting pictures of cans of SpaghettiO's

I prefer Spaghettios over Celine Dion & Joey Lawrence lubed abs 

[MusiKel Mama]

So I read this thing in this Greil Marcus book I'm reading called "Mystery Train":

  The audience that gather around rock n rollers are as close to that ideal community as anyone gets. The real drama of a performer's careers comes when the ideal that one can hear in the music and the audience that the artist really attracts begin to affect each other. No artist can predict, let alone control, what an audience will make of his images; yet no rock n roller can exist without a relationship with an audience, whether it is the imaginary audience one begins with, or the all-too-real confusion of the audience one wins.

The best popular artists create immediate links between people who might have nothing in common but a response to their work, but the best popular artists never stop trying to understand the impact of their work on their audiences. That means their ideal images must change as their understanding grows. One may find horror where one expected only pleasure; one may find the truth one told has already become a lie. If the audience demands only more of what it has already accepted, the artist has a choice. He can move on, and perhaps cut himself off from his audience; if he does, his work will lose all the vitality and strength it has when he knew it mattered to other people. Or the artist can accept the audience's image of himself, pretend that his audience is his shadowy ideal, and lose himself in the audience. Then he will only be able to conform; he will never be able to create.

The most interesting rock n rollers sometimes go to these extremes; most don't, because these are the contradictions they struggle with more than resolve. The tension between community and self-reliance; between distance from one's audience and affection for it; between the shared experience of popular culture and the special talents of artists who both draw on that shared experience and change it- these are the things that make rock n roll at its best a democratic art... 

I think a lot of these things hit at the heart of what I am trying to express...these contradictions that seem to "counter-intuitively" rely on each other. And I think it is a testament to the gifts that the members of the band possess that make it so easy for them to navigate what I find so confusing.  There are so many factors in the process that are so controlled, but which also require the relinquishing of control.  The very notion of propaganda and corporate control are only contentious to those who contend.  It is only they who have given way to all these forces, that can find and determine their own path...

I think at the heart of it, when you love a band or a form of art, you revel in change so long as it is free from restriction...but I suppose even restriction is a self-imposed boundary...

Alas, confusion remains.

[millerjustin]

Bottom line, I don't know dick about the music industry. I have no right to say anything about how anyone runs their life and/or career...

Usually, when someone thinks they "have no right to say anything about how anyone runs their life and/or career", they don't say anything about how anyone runs their life and/or career. Usually.

Right? 

*stops reading 1000 word unibomber missive after first sentence*

btw, did mamakel get a new handle or something?

[APR]

Bottom line, I don't know dick about the music industry. I have no right to say anything about how anyone runs their life and/or career...

Usually, when someone thinks they "have no right to say anything about how anyone runs their life and/or career", they don't say anything about how anyone runs their life and/or career. Usually.

Right? 

*stops reading 1000 word unibomber missive after first sentence*

btw, did mamakel get a new handle or something?

I felt like I just read an incredible SNL sketch script or something with that last "Usually."  And to immediately follow that with millerjustin's "Right?" added to that just perfectly.

[MusiKel Mama]

It is Mama Kel. I hadn't been on in a couple years, but after OBH, wanted to try it out again. Just love the band and thought it might be a good place to write. But I apparently offend people on this forum, so I think I will go back to doing my own thing. Hope you all enjoy the album, and this summer's tour!

[pattilovesmmj]

USUALLY: usually, anyone on this forum writes their feelings about the band, good or bad - right?    Usually, people on this forum are nice in their comments about what someone else is commenting/writing about - right?

[Santo]

USUALLY: usually, anyone on this forum writes their feelings about the band, good or bad - right?    Usually, people on this forum are nice in their comments about what someone else is commenting/writing about - right?

Right on!

[walterfredo]

btw, did mamakel get a new handle or something?

I believe she has had at least 3 or 4 handles over the years, and then deletes the accounts.  Just pure SPECULATION on my part..

[ericm]

btw, did mamakel get a new handle or something?

I believe she has had at least 3 or 4 handles over the years, and then deletes the accounts.  Just pure SPECULATION on my part..

I can see it now.... SPECULATION, and USUALLY will be a part of the forum lexicon forever! 

[bluesky]

just catching up here (not on the forum as much since all the changes). I thought this thread was about the album being leaked? read through and really not much actually said about that.... 

[walterfredo]

just catching up here (not on the forum as much since all the changes). I thought this thread was about the album being leaked? read through and really not much actually said about that.... 

a single track was yesterday, Big Decisions.  Posted on several sites, and pulled from all. 

[bluesky]

thanks Walterfredo! I caught that. But the album, that's a little different. Hope you are enjoying the California sunshine!!! (cold here)

[gardenparty]

they say the new song was co written by Dan Wilson of Semisonic
http://www.danwilsonmusic.com/about/official-bio

can't wait to hear it

[e_wind]

I can't stop signing "Speculation" ala "Strangulation"

I wish that was the way I read it. Now I have Aerosmith's "Don't Wanna Miss A Thing" stuck in my head.

Goddammit, Van!

I just noticed the title of this thread and laughed out loud

[Tracy 2112]

USUALLY: usually, anyone on this forum writes their feelings about the band, good or bad - right?    Usually, people on this forum are nice in their comments about what someone else is commenting/writing about - right?

Right on!

u·su·al·ly
ˈyo͞oZH(əw)əlē/

done, found, or used most of the time or in most cases : normal or regular.


You are correct and I agree 100%. Usually, people on this forum are nice in their comments about what someone else is commenting/writing about.

[Mr. White]

USUALLY: usually, anyone on this forum writes their feelings about the band, good or bad - right?    Usually, people on this forum are nice in their comments about what someone else is commenting/writing about - right?

Right on!

u·su·al·ly
ˈyo͞oZH(əw)əlē/

done, found, or used most of the time or in most cases : normal or regular.


You are correct and I agree 100%. Usually, people on this forum are nice in their comments about what someone else is commenting/writing about.

Good to have you posting again, Tracy!
I'm usually nice, but I've been an ass on here more than a couple of times, and I'm sorry for it. - will try harder.

[byrdpickem]

Bottom line, I don't know dick about the music industry. I have no right to say anything about how anyone runs their life and/or career...

Usually, when someone thinks they "have no right to say anything about how anyone runs their life and/or career", they don't say anything about how anyone runs their life and/or career. Usually.

Between this and the aerosmith reference my keyboard is covered in coffee. And Mama, we aren't offended; the post just came off a bit ironic considering your sources. Marx was an advocate for free press: so post away sister. That being said when you post such a radical, passionate side to this matter, you've got to expect a few difference of opinions. We don't want anyone to disappear or get angry. This is a forum. Debate, joke, jab - all in good fun.

It's music. It's supposed to be fun. It's a luxury. I'm excited. Probably too excited. However, it's not altering any critical life decisions for my family (except where we will be vacationing for the next 10 years).

[Santo]

Bottom line, I don't know dick about the music industry. I have no right to say anything about how anyone runs their life and/or career...

Usually, when someone thinks they "have no right to say anything about how anyone runs their life and/or career", they don't say anything about how anyone runs their life and/or career. Usually.

That being said when you post such a radical, passionate side to this matter, you've got to expect a few difference of opinions. We don't want anyone to disappear or get angry. This is a forum. Debate, joke, jab - all in good fun.

Differences of opinion, debate, jabs are all good. Stifling conversation is a different story. But that's just one man's opinion. I've enjoyed Mama's posts and I hope she sticks around.

[millerjustin]

no offense intended and profuse apologies to mamakel etc if any taken....I was just joking about the length of posts....which isn't necessarily a bad thing.....I'm just a simple man with sound bite levels of attention span....ADD at it's worst.

cheers and carry on