Jim's change over the years

[jcc0065]

JCC0065, I assume you're a troll. I assume you're the type of troll that doesn't go around the internet finding random topics and goading people into discussions and I think you're a real MMJ fan but I think you wrote in a certain way in order to elicit a response.

If I'm wrong and you actually thought that something good would come about from writing in a juvenile fashion that could be because (and I really don't mean this as an insult) a lack of education or, perhaps (playing armchair psychologist for a moment) too many hallucinogens and/or opiates that had a numbing effect on what was once a vibrant and active brain that resulted in major projections on Jim.

I think its important to point out that I actually agree with your lack-of-energy assessment and feel that those who do not sense it are being overly optimistic. The problem here lies in

A) Your adolescence/immaturity in not even attempting to discuss this with Mr White civilly (I would call it an ad hominem attack but I feel that it was so unsophisticated that it shouldn't be described in terms that give it any sort of legitimacy).

B) Equally as important your pinpointing Jim's lack of energy on taking too much of a specific drug. One, I might add, that has very different effects on different people. A robust discussion could have ensued had you asked "I know Jim had that whole back pain thing but does anyone see tell-tale signs of drug use that might be contributing towards lesser energy? I have seen buddies that after years of heavy acid use that have a certain lethargy that I see in him. Maybe I'm crazy and its just the fact that he's approaching 40..."

I LOVE stories of rockers' drug use and though I don't think this forum is at all a good forum to attach a google footprint to a lurid tale I would love to hear stories of someone who has first-hand knowledge of any of the guys' current or past drug use. But I think its obvious that, to be blunt, you know absolutely nothing (in terms of first-hand knowledge) would be approaching would in defamation law would be deemed a "reckless disregard for the truth." (I'm aware that you're just conjecturing but with barely any evidence/proof/articulated rationale behind your assessment you come off as a fool. Not sayin' you ARE a fool but one loses legitimacy among this crowd when one acts like a child).

Thanks, dontgetupset. I thought I was all alone and was going crazy there for a moment. Good to see otherwise!

i think i just misunderstood your response when i said "to each his own opinion!" trying to be nice and you just said "not really....."....it just sounded like you were attacking me. i apologize

[Rex]

Anyway, Jim doesn't even drink before a show and he certainly isn't tripping.

[justbcuzido]

Anyway, Jim doesn't even drink before a show and he certainly isn't tripping.

I agree, these guys are professionals... Now I will say OBH 2, Jim was drunk as hell, though that may have been due to Connor Oberst being there and them and Band of Horses partying together like old friends celebrating a reunion. But other than that, these guys take their stage craft and performances very seriously.

I remember reading or hearing in an interview they were saying while recording the waterfall they'd smoke a J and take walks along the beach, but that seems like a pretty normal thing to do.

My input on the matter is this, I think you are right in that Jim has changed a bit. He went through a seriously debilitating back injury (that will change anyone) and dealt with heart ache. In interviews recently, he does seem to be in a darker place and maybe even a bit jaded/burnt out. However, as far as him not moving around, I think he is being cautious as they have a very long tour.

I mean this is a guy who eats vegan for breakfast (I forget where the article is that shows his morning routine) and takes care of his body as much as he can. He is still recovering from an injury we don't know how serious it is. I don't think he'll ever go back to how he was in his 20's and that's ok. What I have noticed is that during shows he tends to loosen up a lot.

Most importantly, he is playing and singing better than he has in years and that goes for the rest of the band. They are on fire right now. So if that means they have to "sacrifice" bouncing around on stage, I am ok with that.

[WinstonLegthigh]

I got to 6 shows (Red Rocks included) over the summer, and while the lack of mobility was noticeable (even in comparison to the last tour and solo tour), I'm going to assume it has to do with the back issues that were mentioned.

[jcc0065]

Anyway, Jim doesn't even drink before a show and he certainly isn't tripping.

I agree, these guys are professionals... Now I will say OBH 2, Jim was drunk as hell, though that may have been due to Connor Oberst being there and them and Band of Horses partying together like old friends celebrating a reunion. But other than that, these guys take their stage craft and performances very seriously.

I remember reading or hearing in an interview they were saying while recording the waterfall they'd smoke a J and take walks along the beach, but that seems like a pretty normal thing to do.

My input on the matter is this, I think you are right in that Jim has changed a bit. He went through a seriously debilitating back injury (that will change anyone) and dealt with heart ache. In interviews recently, he does seem to be in a darker place and maybe even a bit jaded/burnt out. However, as far as him not moving around, I think he is being cautious as they have a very long tour.

I mean this is a guy who eats vegan for breakfast (I forget where the article is that shows his morning routine) and takes care of his body as much as he can. He is still recovering from an injury we don't know how serious it is. I don't think he'll ever go back to how he was in his 20's and that's ok. What I have noticed is that during shows he tends to loosen up a lot.

Most importantly, he is playing and singing better than he has in years and that goes for the rest of the band. They are on fire right now. So if that means they have to "sacrifice" bouncing around on stage, I am ok with that.

very well said!

[millerjustin]

safe to say that everything is back to OK in the sandbox, people?

Based on everything said above and my own observations, I agree that Jim is sticking closer to his padded square on the stage - and for very good reason.  He had back surgery a year ago and it still hurts!  I'm speaking from experience with back pain and also from first-hand experience watching him this year (OBH2, Waterfall in L'ville, Boston, Forecastle, Artpark and Red Rocks).

I have my own theories about the new jacket (flowing to hide the brace under his vest) and the glasses (he's laser focused on new lyrics and arrangements).  He's a fucking professional, people. 

And not for nothing, I was front row under Jim at OBH, Headliners and Red Rocks and he not only smiled a ton at his band mates, he also threw a few my way while he was playing.  (this may be partly because I was rocking out with Erica Moore, but that's another story for another day).

and the biggest point I'd like to make - and hopefully without insulting our new friend - is that Red Rocks was a Coda moment for the band and they knew it.  They had the most preeminent concert photographer in the world in Danny Clinch capturing every sound and move - with the backdrop of the show becoming the next Okonokos (and timestamp for Jacket 3.0).  This being said, Jim was obviously not tripping balls - just a tight back and biggest show of the year.

Move on people!  I GET 11 MORE SHOWS IN THE NEXT 9 WEEKS!!!!

[jcc0065]

safe to say that everything is back to OK in the sandbox, people?

Based on everything said above and my own observations, I agree that Jim is sticking closer to his padded square on the stage - and for very good reason.  He had back surgery a year ago and it still hurts!  I'm speaking from experience with back pain and also from first-hand experience watching him this year (OBH2, Waterfall in L'ville, Boston, Forecastle, Artpark and Red Rocks).

I have my own theories about the new jacket (flowing to hide the brace under his vest) and the glasses (he's laser focused on new lyrics and arrangements).  He's a fucking professional, people. 

And not for nothing, I was front row under Jim at OBH, Headliners and Red Rocks and he not only smiled a ton at his band mates, he also threw a few my way while he was playing.  (this may be partly because I was rocking out with Erica Moore, but that's another story for another day).

and the biggest point I'd like to make - and hopefully without insulting our new friend - is that Red Rocks was a Coda moment for the band and they knew it.  They had the most preeminent concert photographer in the world in Danny Clinch capturing every sound and move - with the backdrop of the show becoming the next Okonokos (and timestamp for Jacket 3.0).  This being said, Jim was obviously not tripping balls - just a tight back and biggest show of the year.

Move on people!  I GET 11 MORE SHOWS IN THE NEXT 9 WEEKS!!!!

I met Erica through twitter and in person in Atlanta! really awesome and genuine person

[Taterbug]

safe to say that everything is back to OK in the sandbox, people?

You'll  never get all the cat poop out of the sandbox :)

[APR]

I've been up close a few times over the summer and never noticed a back brace.  I did notice Jim's eyes were open more than in past tours.  So I thought the sunglasses were more to hide his open eyes so that he can freely look around the venue or the fans without people knowing he is looking at them.

I feel also that besides nixing his jumping on and off of the drum riser, Jim has been moving quite a bit especially when without a guitar in hand.

[PJAMVedder]

Even hinting that he's tripping too hard on acid is the stupidest thing I've ever read.

[Lonndown27]

holy shit what a thread hahahah Mr. White you're an AWESOME old man  and dontgetupset, that was a fucking perfect rebuttal.

I wonder how, JCC, you'd feel if we were all speculating about your drug use. That the whole topic was written while you were engaging in your nightly heroin rituals where you listen to only 20 songs, not 30 anymore, because YOU'VE changed man, you're NOT the same! You're absolutely on smack because of the sun glasses, bro 

Jim and Bo ARE TOOOOOTALLY SHOOTING UP JUNKIES! I've seen Jim's ass cheek before and I saw the track marks...Seriously Braaaaa      

[Lonndown27]

And insulting people who happen to be some of my favorite people (Mr. White) on this forum or anywhere in humanity, and trying to do it with internet-idiot-savant-"subtlety" by saying "old man"? Like what?

JCC welcome aboard but Jesus man, this band probably does or did drugs but fuck...they're not in their 20s. Jim has a right to be more than angry about how the industry has changed and how self sufficient they have to be financially and how much their bodies have to be on that line to tour, to feed their families first of all, let alone feed their tour crew's families and them...like MMJ are getting bigger by the day and I've been absolutely god-fucked to have watched their evolution from since I first got into them in April 2004 to now and see what heights they've been to....I mean even the major ones off of my head are astounding: Red Rocks 2012, Red Rocks 2015, KFC 2010, Terminal 5 2010, the costume intro to Voodoo 2010, Bonnaroo 2008, Bonnaroo 2006, 2006 NYE @ Fillmore (THANK YOU JOHNNYYAC!!!), NYE 2008, UNSTAGED 2011, OKONOKOS @ Fillmore 2005, Lebowski Fest 2004....maybe they were on drugs, probably, maybe they werent all the time, maybe they were just high some of the time. Maybe Patrick and Bo snort coke onstage in their towels like Aerosmith? Maybe Jim James smoked a bong on a camel once? Maybe he took SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much acid he told the audience to "feel the love" and how he would "say a prayer to the universe"?

What a crazy bunch of drug fiends!!! These MMJ bastards! I'm calling Narcotics Anonymous!   







hopefully my satire isnt lost on anyone 

WELCOME TO THE MOTHERFUCKIN SANDBOX JCC! 

[walterfredo]

I thought sticky was banned?

[davymac]

Should have popped some popcorn before reading this thread!

[Cameron]

safe to say that everything is back to OK in the sandbox, people?

Based on everything said above and my own observations, I agree that Jim is sticking closer to his padded square on the stage - and for very good reason.  He had back surgery a year ago and it still hurts!  I'm speaking from experience with back pain and also from first-hand experience watching him this year (OBH2, Waterfall in L'ville, Boston, Forecastle, Artpark and Red Rocks).

I have my own theories about the new jacket (flowing to hide the brace under his vest) and the glasses (he's laser focused on new lyrics and arrangements).  He's a fucking professional, people. 

And not for nothing, I was front row under Jim at OBH, Headliners and Red Rocks and he not only smiled a ton at his band mates, he also threw a few my way while he was playing.  (this may be partly because I was rocking out with Erica Moore, but that's another story for another day).

and the biggest point I'd like to make - and hopefully without insulting our new friend - is that Red Rocks was a Coda moment for the band and they knew it.  They had the most preeminent concert photographer in the world in Danny Clinch capturing every sound and move - with the backdrop of the show becoming the next Okonokos (and timestamp for Jacket 3.0).  This being said, Jim was obviously not tripping balls - just a tight back and biggest show of the year.

Move on people!  I GET 11 MORE SHOWS IN THE NEXT 9 WEEKS!!!!

stop being reasonable!  it's obvious jim has fried his mind with lsd!


in the 10 years i've been posting here this is easily the worst thread i've come across.

[buster douglas]

Has nobody considered the fact that maybe Jim just wants to up his "mystique" factor for this tour?  The sunglasses, the cooler demeanor on stage, the lessening of audience chatting... I think he just wants to let the music do the talking on this tour.

But also, I have no idea, neither do any of you, so who gives a shit.  The shows have all been amazing.

[jcc0065]

Has nobody considered the fact that maybe Jim just wants to up his "mystique" factor for this tour?  The sunglasses, the cooler demeanor on stage, the lessening of audience chatting... I think he just wants to let the music do the talking on this tour.

But also, I have no idea, neither do any of you, so who gives a shit.  The shows have all been amazing.

exactly. who gives a shit

[parkervb]

Has nobody considered the fact that maybe Jim just wants to up his "mystique" factor for this tour?  The sunglasses, the cooler demeanor on stage, the lessening of audience chatting... I think he just wants to let the music do the talking on this tour.

But also, I have no idea, neither do any of you, so who gives a shit.  The shows have all been amazing.

exactly. who gives a shit

what a perfect and Circuital ending. (yes I went there)

[Lonndown27]

Has nobody considered the fact that maybe Jim just wants to up his "mystique" factor for this tour?  The sunglasses, the cooler demeanor on stage, the lessening of audience chatting... I think he just wants to let the music do the talking on this tour.

But also, I have no idea, neither do any of you, so who gives a shit.  The shows have all been amazing.

exactly. who gives a shit

what a perfect and Circuital ending. (yes I went there)

HAHAHAHAH

[MACKEL]

To anyone complaining about Jim changing, please reference 13:28 - 14:00 in this video:

everything changes....... everything changes........ everything changes.......


Jim's gonna do what Jim wants to do... we are all lucky enough to sit back and enjoy the ride!