Z - Available on E-Bay

[aMillionDreams]

what is the objection?  Aren't Japenese imports legit?  I mean ATO is definately going to send copies to Japan and it they were ill-gotten copies Ebay would not allow them to be sold.  Am I missing something?

[Jellyfish]

I am pretty sure the leak was Billboard...not MMJ.They sent a copy to Billboard to review.I don't understand why they do this...all you need is one guy to get a hold of it and it's out there.Why not wait until a week or so before the release date and send it then.....3 months before and you know it will leak somehow.

To all those that are pissed about this let me just say that I am an MMJ whore...I got's to have it all...I can't help myself.When it is dangled in front of my face...well...I gotta take it.I have not been posting any reviews or comments about the music itself since I noticed that some here are angered that it has leaked.I respect your feelings...and at one time I might have felt that way to...but I might die tomorrow..who knows....it's this live for today attitude.

I promise to buy numerous copies of the album when it comes out on the release date.

BTW...it was taken off Ebay but the guy sent me a email saying he shipped my copy so we will see.I must have got under right as the door was closing.

[aMillionDreams]

I just want to make it clear that when we refer to they we are talking about ATO.  ATO sent a copy to Billboard.  ATO will lose money from leaked copies (if anyone).  

And remember that Jim said he signed with a major label so that more people could get a hold of his CD, not so he could make more money.  Or maybe he was lying and Conaway's right.

[dragonboy]

what is the objection?  Aren't Japenese imports legit?  I mean ATO is definately going to send copies to Japan and it they were ill-gotten copies Ebay would not allow them to be sold.  Am I missing something?

If it's from Japan with a bonus track then I'll put my money on it being legit. Japan isn't like other asian countries like Thailand etc where you can pick up cheap/illegal CDs & DVDs on the street. Japan has no pirate industry.

[Cameron]

I bought one from this guy right before it was taken down and got a message saying he had already sent it so I'm pretty sure he has them.

I do plan on buying multiple copies for friends, a vinyl copy and all the new merch i can get my hands on.  just gotta hear Z now!!!!

[aMillionDreams]

If the band gets the same cut from the Japanese import I might just buy that instead of the Best Buy version.  Or maybe I'll buy both.  Then again, Ear-Xtacy gave away free posters with It Still Moves.  I still can't wait for it to hit even though I've been listening to it for a while now.

Cameron, check your PMs.

[wellfleet]

i started a shit storm, i started a shit storm... the thing about E-Bay is that (almost)anything goes. unless it's your virginity or nazi memorabilia, it's for sale on E-Bay. and the thing is, a lot of the articles, mostly clothing and "luxury" goods are counterfeit. Surely, *surely*, E-Bay is aware of the enormous mass of bogus Louis Vuitton, Burberry, and even Abercrombie crap that's floating about. But it adds to their bottom line, so they leave it be. Sometimes the knock-offs are so good, you have to be an expert with a magnifying glass to spot the fakes. this copy of Z might be legit. but it's clearly not kosher. is the band getting a share of the sales of these E0Bay records? probably not. so nuts to that!

[peanut butter puddin surprise]

what is the objection?  Aren't Japenese imports legit?  I mean ATO is definately going to send copies to Japan and it they were ill-gotten copies Ebay would not allow them to be sold.  Am I missing something?

What, is it already released in Japan, officially?  Ebay would not allow what to be sold?  Shoot, you can sell your immortal soul on Ebay.  There isn't any kind of verification on there about what you are selling.  It's a free marketplace, they don't give a shit.  Hence the Vitton ripoffs and whatnot.

Again, the objection is about the unauthorized release.  And that's my objection, not anyone else's.  If Billboard "leaked" the record to Ebay, then they're shits for doing it.

Obviously, we have a difference of opinion on this.  I do not find it cool to leak advance copies to the world via Ebay or other channels.  In the pre-internet days, you waited for months for new records to come to the record store in your town.  All of this instant gratification at the expense of anything and everything just smacks of giant egoism, IMHO.  What, the band's feelings aren't important?  What they want doesn't mean two shits?  That's what I object to.  I do not speak for any of the band members, BTW-but do I think they might be pissed off that their trust was broken.  

And, in a parting shot, I really don't give a rat's ass that "everyone else is doing it".  You know the adage-if everyone were jumping off the bridge, would you do it too just because "everyone else is doing it?"  Or, the logic that "it's gonna happen" doesn't fly either.  What-nobody can be different, or expect a different outcome because "it's gonna happen"?  By that logic, we should all be cowering in our beds shitting ourselves because "it" is gonna happen.  Whatever that "it" is, terrorist attack, bankruptcy, divorce...

This is my final thoughts on the subject.  I'm not being cantankerous or argumentative on purpose, and no bad vibes, but damn this is a sticky widget.  And we can agree to disagree and that's fine.

[wellfleet]

i love johnconaway's ethical non-conformist vibe. it's so refreshing.
and i have to say... y'all debate so nicely. no name-calling, no bomb threats...

[peanut butter puddin surprise]

i love johnconaway's ethical non-conformist vibe. it's so refreshing.
and i have to say... y'all debate so nicely. no name-calling, no bomb threats...

 ;) it's all in the love.  we have been slinging arrows for years here, and we're all still friends.  

[aMillionDreams]

yeah, we can agree to disagree (again).

I just want to say that I think the thing that we are really disagreeing about is the band's feelings on this.  I don't speak for the band either, but I think that MMJ just wants peeps to hear their music, be it now or whenever they (ATO) pushed the relaese date back to.  The reason I think that is because I seriously doubt that Jim decided to push the date back to build anticipation, ATO decided to push the date back for some reason that has more to do with their bottom line than love of the music.  Of course we'll never know what the band thinks because ATO wouldn't let them say that their cool with downloading.  

However, a musician I highly respect, Neil Young, once said something like, "Music is everyone's and belongs to no one.  Anyone who thinks different works for a record company".  My opinion may not be as humble as Mr. Conaway but I think I have a point. :)

[Cameron]

aMillionDreams,

sorry i took so long but i wrote you back today...

[Jellyfish]

I got this today...it's an official promo copy with artwork but no bonus track that I can see...it could be hidden at the end.This one is def mastered,I can tell a big difference in the sound.

[Cameron]

got mine today too.  also a promo...no artwork or liner notes other than the front cover.  i just wonder how the guy got 50+ copies.

[darkglow]

http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=333310

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