New Streams

[EC]

Especially beneath "Abandon all hope, all ye who enter".  Do you think that's the entrance to the studio? :)

Yeah, I wondered about that, too.  It almost seemed like a haunted house entrance...  ssssscary!

[lfish]

This is it!

And if not, who care's.  :)

Just beautifull.

I like their new sound.  You can hear the influences of Bo and Carl.  A new sound is born. So many thougts at a time.

But one is on top of all:

I have to get this album!

[SMc55]

Hey lfish! Nice to see you around  :D

'Abandon hope all ye who enter here' was the sign Dante describes over the gateway to hell.
I once had to go to London to have an oral exam (not a dental appointment – an opportunity for me to show how much I knew (or didn't know) about pregnancy and childbirth). Anyway, the building had been the home of an eccentric Victorian gentleman who apparently hated his cook.  He'd had these words written over the doorway to his dining room. Guess which room the exam was in  :-/

[EC]

Oh mylanta I love little details.  So lovely.

[aMillionDreams]

Great video.  I love the behind the scenes stuff.

"Abandon all hope all ye who enter" is what is written on the gate to hell in "Dante's Inferno" but I didn't notice it in the video.

I can't believe that all of you who wouldn't listen to Z when it leaked are "ruining" the album for yourselves.  There's bits of almost every song in the video.  At least O is constant enough in his thinking to not listen to the songs.  But yeah, I'm too happy about to pick a fight so nevermind.

[SMc55]

I'm waiting. O and I can talk about it when you've probably said all there is so say but we won't mind. I don't think I'll enjoy the video until I know the songs. And I'm quite prepared not to like some of them at first. Some of my favourite songs ever have been 'growers'. I know the video will mean more to me when the songs are in my heart.

[Specialist]

Great video.  
I can't believe that all of you who wouldn't listen to Z when it leaked are "ruining" the album for yourselves.  There's bits of almost every song in the video.  At least O is constant enough in his thinking to not listen to the songs.  But yeah, I'm too happy about to pick a fight so nevermind.

technically, i wasn't aware of the fact that the video contained music from Z ;) although i didn't cover my ears during the music, i didn't feel dirty about it, because obviously they have given their ok to post the video on their official website.

As for Wordless Chorus goes...i have no explanation, curiosity got the better of me, but at least i know that the band is ok with me listening to it, being there official website and all.

[Oz]

I didn't listen to Wordless Chorus but I did watch the video, wich I can explain best by comparing it to movies. The video is like a trailer, just short bits that don't really tell anything except for the feel and the vibe, while a whole song is like a scene. If you watch a scene from a movie before you watch the entire movie, to me, that spoils the movie. And listening to the album on MP3 is like watching the movie without the ending titles, wich to me is like watching a cut-up movie, wich also spoils it. Watching a trailer is okay, watching clues that give away parts of the story is not. For me.

[EC]

Mmm hmmm.  I don't think aMD EVER got it right as to what the debate about listening to the stolen vs. the sanctioned was, but hey, I don't want to pick a fight, either.  

[aMillionDreams]

Mmm hmmm.  I don't think aMD EVER got it right as to what the debate about listening to the stolen vs. the sanctioned was, but hey, I don't want to pick a fight, either.  

I understood that argument, which still holds water for the most part.  btw, for all we know the guys would rather have us wait until the end of the year to hear the new album.  I'm sure it was their management's idea to relase the video, stream those two songs, and send out 50 advanced copies.  I just think that if you're going to look to record and management companies for a moral compass you're going to be mislead.  My point is that I don't think that Jim would have any more of a problem with me listen to the leaked version of Z than he would with you listening to the streams on the news page.  But hey, you took a stand and have continued to even as your arguments for doing so are crumbling around you.  That's very Bush-esque of EC.

(okay, now I feel like picking a fight)

[EC]

I understood that argument, which still holds water for the most part.  btw, for all we know the guys would rather have us wait until the end of the year to hear the new album.  I'm sure it was their management's idea to relase the video, stream those two songs, and send out 50 advanced copies.  I just think that if you're going to look to record and management companies for a moral compass you're going to be mislead.  My point is that I don't think that Jim would have any more of a problem with me listen to the leaked version of Z than he would with you listening to the streams on the news page.  But hey, you took a stand and have continued to even as your arguments for doing so are crumbling around you.  That's very Bush-esque of EC.

(okay, now I feel like picking a fight)

Wow.

I just wrote a big thing and decided it wasn't worth it.  aMD, I'm not entirely sure why you keep picking on people who made personal choices.  

I think I'm not going to rip it up here.  This is supposed to be about the New Streams.  If you care to have a debate about this, please feel free to send me a p.m.

[peanut butter puddin surprise]

Fer Chrissakes, how many times do we have to explain this to you?  It's really, really elementary.  

I'd debate this with you, but that's what you want, an extended gripe session about how you're "right", and everyone else is "wrong" on this subject.  And I won't give you the satisfaction.

[CC]

I understood that argument, which still holds water for the most part.  btw, for all we know the guys would rather have us wait until the end of the year to hear the new album. I'm sure it was their management's idea to relase the video, stream those two songs, and send out 50 advanced copies.  I just think that if you're going to look to record and management companies for a moral compass you're going to be mislead.  My point is that I don't think that Jim would have any more of a problem with me listen to the leaked version of Z than he would with you listening to the streams on the news page.  But hey, you took a stand and have continued to even as your arguments for doing so are crumbling around you.  That's very Bush-esque of EC.

(okay, now I feel like picking a fight)

I think you're wrong. whatever gets put on this site is approved by the band and they're definitely okay with you all listening to it. the complete thing is coming out in 3 weeks and that's what they want you to hear, not some leaked version months earlier.

[aMillionDreams]

okay, you all are right and I am wrong, let's drop it.
And I will hear the album when it comes out on vinyl and CD, for those of you who may think that I'm not only rude but a thief.  I just got the sense that some of those thought you were taking the "moral high ground" by not downloading the leaked 'Z'  and were trying to guilt those of us who didn't understand all the fuss.  

Before I let this go I would also like to mention that many people on this forum agree with me but aren't posting about it.  I know this for a fact because many of them have pmed me thanking me for pointing out the hypocracy of some of these "morally superior individuals" and I believe that this  viewpoint deserves to be represented on this forum.  Nuff said.

[peanut butter puddin surprise]

okay, you all are right and I am wrong, let's drop it.
And I will hear the album when it comes out on vinyl and CD, for those of you who may think that I'm not only rude but a thief.  I just got the sense that some of those thought you were taking the "moral high ground" by not downloading the leaked 'Z'  and were trying to guilt those of us who didn't understand all the fuss.  

Before I let this go I would also like to mention that many people on this forum agree with me but aren't posting about it.  I know this for a fact because many of them have pmed me thanking me for pointing out the hypocracy of some of these "morally superior individuals".  Nuff said.

Bullshit.  Your full of shit.  Stop speaking for others, the "un-named masses".  If they agree, then they should speak up.  Otherwise, it highlight's the total full-of-shitness you possess.

[aMillionDreams]

Okay, I'll take up that challenge.  I'm starting a new thread so that this conversation doesn't get buried.

[CC]

let's not turn it into a 'downloading is wrong or right' discussion. some do, some don't. not the point here. point is, you're making it seem that downloading a leaked version is the same thing as listening to some previews put up by the band. totally different thing, i'm sure you see that too.

btw, O's the best. those 2 streams within reach but deciding to wait till he gets that album in his hands. now that's badass! ;)

[ratsprayer]

Bullshit.  Your full of shit.  Stop speaking for others, the "un-named masses".  If they agree, then they should speak up.  Otherwise, it highlight's the total full-of-shitness you possess.

well, i never pm'ed aMD about anything like that, but ill speak up now.  not to get all freudian and shit on you, but youre awfully defensive about it.  theres always a good reason for that, but not usually the one thats portrayed on the surface.  i wont be assumptive and say wot that is because i really dont know for sure, and it would all be conjecture.  lets just say there are/were a group of you that did attack us who downloaded the leaked version and all of our efforts therefore.  its just as much a personal choice for us to choose that.  i know i never personally attacked anyone for NOT choosing, just may have joked and said 'lets see if you can hold out' or 'man, thats your loss.'  i dont care if you know the band and know personally theyd punch me in the face.  its my internet, my guilt or lack thereof.  ill still buy one, if not both formats on the day of release, already purchased tickets to 3 shows which all are at least 60 miles one way from my house.  im not saying im a better fan, but see thats exactly what youre claiming to be doing in staying away from this "tained sinful" leaked version.  i know aMD pokes at this issue and tries to instigate, but it seems in my eyes hes trying to open up the debate a little and try to understand things better, instead of a childish fuck & shit ridden post.  

im rather new here too, so maybe that doesnt mean shit, but there you go.

[peanut butter puddin surprise]

well, i never pm'ed aMD about anything like that, but ill speak up now.  not to get all freudian and shit on you, but youre awfully defensive about it.  theres always a good reason for that, but not usually the one thats portrayed on the surface.  i wont be assumptive and say wot that is because i really dont know for sure, and it would all be conjecture.  lets just say there are/were a group of you that did attack us who downloaded the leaked version and all of our efforts therefore.  its just as much a personal choice for us to choose that.  i know i never personally attacked anyone for NOT choosing, just may have joked and said 'lets see if you can hold out' or 'man, thats your loss.'  i dont care if you know the band and know personally theyd punch me in the face.  its my internet, my guilt or lack thereof.  ill still buy one, if not both formats on the day of release, already purchased tickets to 3 shows which all are at least 60 miles one way from my house.  im not saying im a better fan, but see thats exactly what youre claiming to be doing in staying away from this "tained sinful" leaked version.  i know aMD pokes at this issue and tries to instigate, but it seems in my eyes hes trying to open up the debate a little and try to understand things better, instead of a childish fuck & shit ridden post.  

im rather new here too, so maybe that doesnt mean shit, but there you go.

it's simple.  it's the difference between "authorized" and "unauthorized".  and if I get passionate about this, it's only because I know the difference, and he doesn't, apparently.

[aMillionDreams]

what happened to your well-reasoned arguments, John?  Has your position become so untenable that you have to resort to personal attacks?  For those of you interested learning more about the depth of Conaway's hypocracy please go to the following link:
http://www.mymorningjacket.com/cgi/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=offtopic;action=display;num=1126617929