Copy-protection bullshit!

[October]

i second EAC, it's easy to use.

[aMillionDreams]

and it plays!!! thanks to all ya peeps for your help.  I've cooled down a little bit but I still don't understand the point of this copy-protection bullshit!

[Specialist]

i am quite pissed off and confused too.  i read that the cd was not compatable with itunes, which is quite irritating, being that when i leave the house, i never bring cds, i have all of my stuff on my ipod.

[corey]

Just get EAC. Even if you don't get the mp3 plugin, you can rip it as wavs and convert to mp3 with whatever converter that you normally use.

[Specialist]

oops, sorry, i didn't see the second page when i posted, i'll try EAC out.

oh and i am not really pissed off, i just didn't expect the whole copy protection thing to be not allow play on itunes.

[corey]

Word.
Looks like it worked out for aMD, so it should work for you too.
I converted a wav to mp3 today with Itunes, so that should be gravy.

[corey]

http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/

Just to make it one step easier for other people that may hit a snag.

[Specialist]

i downloaded EAC and have converted two tracks to wav but they still skip, know what i'm doing wrong?

[doEVILslittle]

go to that princeton article that you deemed so unable to help, and scroll to about midpage...it tells you exactly what to do so u can use itunes or any other program without a problem and plus this way u dont have to download an extra cd ripping program

[Specialist]

go to that princeton article that you deemed so unable to help, and scroll to about midpage...it tells you exactly what to do so u can use itunes or any other program without a problem and plus this way u dont have to download an extra cd ripping program

 ???   i don't recall a Princeton article


anyway, does anyone know what i might be doing wrong, i put Z in and highlighted the track and clicked wav and the converted tracks skip.

[Steve Marth]

Hello everyone.




I've never posted on this board until now.


But I just bought "Z" and got it home to rip onto my iPod (like I do with all of the CDs I buy), and I am ABSOLUTELY FURIOUS that it's making me not only accept a user agreement, but install a separate program simply to be able to listen to the CD!

I love My Morning Jacket, and I am dying to hear "Z", but this is just too much. BMG is showing a complete lack of respect for them people who are actually SUPPORTING them buy actually paying for their records! Unbelievable! (Well... VERY believable, really).


But believe me that I'm returning the CD to the record store tomorrow (even though it isn't their fault). There are other ways to listen to this album.



Won't some of you join me?




-Steve

[aMillionDreams]

here it is:
http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~jhalderm/cd3/

[aMillionDreams]

Hello everyone.




I've never posted on this board until now.


But I just bought "Z" and got it home to rip onto my iPod (like I do with all of the CDs I buy), and I am ABSOLUTELY FURIOUS that it's making me not only accept a user agreement, but install a separate program simply to be able to listen to the CD!

I love My Morning Jacket, and I am dying to hear "Z", but this is just too much. BMG is showing a complete lack of respect for them people who are actually SUPPORTING them buy actually paying for their records! Unbelievable! (Well... VERY believable, really).


But believe me that I'm returning the CD to the record store tomorrow (even though it isn't their fault). There are other ways to listen to this album.



Won't some of you join me?




-Steve

I know what you mean, Steve.  I'm not going to return my copy, but I'm certainly not going to buy more copies of it either.  There are people on this board buying a third or fourth copy of this album so that they can listen to it in their cars/at home/on itunes.  I think it's disgraceful how ATO is milking honest fans of more money through these means.  Sure, offer an extra song or an EP but encrypting the discs so that you can't listen to them on certain machines is over the line.  I think that returning a CD because it is copy-protected is completely understandable.  Maybe it will send ATO is message!

[doEVILslittle]

I know what you mean, Steve.  I'm not going to return my copy, but I'm certainly not going to buy more copies of it either.  There are people on this board buying a third or fourth copy of this album so that they can listen to it in their cars/at home/on itunes.  I think it's disgraceful how ATO is milking honest fans of more money through these means.  Sure, offer an extra song or an EP but encrypting the discs so that you can't listen to them on certain machines is over the line.  I think that returning a CD because it is copy-protected is completely understandable.  Maybe it will send ATO is message!

it's not ATO it's their parent company RCA whose fault it is as they did the same thing for the newest foo fighters cd using the same sunncomm software, and there is a way around it, just look in that princeton article and it's really not that hard to do he explains its fairly straight-forward i mean i'm not tooo familiar with computers and i got it to work, you all need a lesson in patience if you can't handle the easy directions in that princeton article, theres no reason to buy another copy of the album on itunes at all...

[Steve Marth]

Wow.


My spelling and grammar was terrible in that post of mine. My apologies! That's what I get for typing while mad and in a hurry, I suppose.

I know I sound like a loser when I say this, but this whole copy protection thing has completely ruined my night.

I went to www.sunncomm.com/support/sonybmg (which is listed on the back of the CD tray) to see what they had to say, and to try to find any sort of feedback form (wishful thinking, I suppose), and it was very interesting to read what they have to say about the incompatability with iTunes and iPods...


" Sony BMG wants music to be easily transferable to any device that supports secure music. Currently, music from our protected CDs may be transferred to hundreds of such devices, as both Microsoft and Sony have assisted to make the user experience on our discs as seamless as possible with their secure formats.

Unfortunately, in order to directly and smoothly rip content into iTunes it requires the assistance of Apple. To date, Apple has not been willing to cooperate with our protection vendors to make ripping to iTunes and to the iPod a simple experience.

If you believe that you should be able to easily move tracks from your protected CD to your iPod then we encourage you to use the following link to contact Apple directly and tell them so."





So basically what they're saying is, "DON'T BLAME US! BLAME APPLE! And forget about the fact that BMG (etc.) has completely embraced Apple's Music Store to sell their albums, yet suddenly won't allow people who use Apple's programs to rip music from legally purchased CDs." Of course, this comes from the company that designed the security software, not the record company itself, so we can throw accountablity right out the window! But isn't that the case with anything and everything nowadays?



What a crock. What a complete crock.




All I want to do is listen to this stupid CD.



(And no, I don't have an actual CD player. Who needs those nowadays, right? HAH!)



I wouldn't be nearly as mad if they would simply put a notice somewhere on the packaging that special software is required to install in order to play it.




At least I can listen to this new Magic Numbers album.



-Steve

[tomEisenbraun]

strange thing is, though it won't work with iTunes on a PC, it doesnt even have a user lisence agreement to agree to when you open in on a Mac. It's weird. My suggestion, just go get a friend with a Mac to upload it and burn it for you, and then you can do all the illegality you want with it. Just joshin, but seriously, there's no protection against Mac users.

[doEVILslittle]

again from the princeton article...it's really worth the read

"Computers running Linux or Mac OS 9 can't run the MediaMax software at all, so they can always copy the recording."

[Steve Marth]

So what we're saying is that the ability to play/copy the CD on a Mac is thanks purely to laziness on the part of BMG/MediaMax? (In that they haven't created Mac version of the software).

That's hilarious.



By the way, the best part of all of this is how there are still dozens upon dozens of copies of this album floating around the ol' world wide web anyway. So all they've accomplished from this copy-protection nonsense is to ensure that I will never give any one of these RIAA labels a cent of my money ever again.


Bang-up job, fellas!



-Steve

[doEVILslittle]

you'd think they'd learn from the disaster that happened when they did it to "in your honor" but i guess they wanna stick to their guns...what we really need to do is just kill off every record company and burn every contract and start anew...that's the point we're at in music, industry-wise, right now

[tdan]

I understand what they are trying to do, I just think that they have totally f*cked up the implementation of their idea.  They are attacking the wrong set of people with this crap.  Someone who is going to distribute illegal copies of music isn't likely the one who is going to go pick it up in the store anyway.  They most likely will download it from a p2p site, which they can still do.  It is the responsible folks who will pay dearly with their frustrations.  I personally was looking forward to listening to Z all morning yesterday, ran out at lunch and bought my copy, came back and experienced the hell that they have imposed on us.  My problem was deeper than just not liking the copy protection.  My PC met all the requirements listed on the CD, but I kept receiving an MediaMax error.  I never even got to the EULA.  I had to start an email chain with tech support over it, which never solved the problem  >:(.  I made sure to tell them how much I liked the copy protection.  I think that them blaming Apple is complete BS.  It all boils down to competing businesses.  The reason that MACs don't have this problem is because the protection is Microsoft Windows Media based.  I think we all know the history between Microsoft and Apple.

Honestly if I had it to do over I would have purchased the CD from iTunes and avoided the whole thing instead of supporting my local indie record store.  I could have gotten it for the same price (minus the 7" which I cannot play anyways).  I ended up getting around the problem with the Princeton paper THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU to that guy and to whoever posted the link on this site.