MMJ and Jesus

[marino13]

okay, WAWM was written about a friend who commited suicide. so it's not technically about Jesus. Steam Engine, whether the lyrics say it or not, he sings Jesus. I don't know, these guys certainly have a respect for Christianity, but I don't think it's our responsibility to tear apart the spiritual messages. the guys don't make music to preach to us, they make it to resonate with us. and that resonance ought to be something that defies explanation. some things, like their intent behind a song (especially Dondante) can make it hit so much harder, but it ought to ring with you in some way. their intent should only add to it.

that said, if WAWM says something to you about Jesus, that's awesome. The song still is not about Jesus, but if it means something to you in that way, that's what it's their for. But you can't tell us it's about Jesus, because where it means something on that level, it's in that subjective realm where it means something to any of us.

and i'm not bashing Jesus. Christ is who I live for and in. this isn't an argue about that. it's about the song's meaning. and there's two different levels to it.

i think i said it a lot better in a thread further back form last year...

Awesome perspective.  Three people can read the same passage in the Bible and have it mean three different things to them, all positive, depending on their situation in life.  It is a living word.  An MMJ song can be much the same.  They have a gift for writing lyrics that are open for interpretation and can have different meanings for different people.  It's not always black and white.

[fan75]

okay, WAWM was written about a friend who commited suicide. so it's not technically about Jesus. Steam Engine, whether the lyrics say it or not, he sings Jesus. I don't know, these guys certainly have a respect for Christianity, but I don't think it's our responsibility to tear apart the spiritual messages. the guys don't make music to preach to us, they make it to resonate with us. and that resonance ought to be something that defies explanation. some things, like their intent behind a song (especially Dondante) can make it hit so much harder, but it ought to ring with you in some way. their intent should only add to it.

that said, if WAWM says something to you about Jesus, that's awesome. The song still is not about Jesus, but if it means something to you in that way, that's what it's their for. But you can't tell us it's about Jesus, because where it means something on that level, it's in that subjective realm where it means something to any of us.

and i'm not bashing Jesus. Christ is who I live for and in. this isn't an argue about that. it's about the song's meaning. and there's two different levels to it.

i think i said it a lot better in a thread further back form last year...

Yes what you said is exactly true.   MMJ does seem to excude some of their Christian upbringing [size="1"](didn't someone once mention/claim JJ and a few others went to the same Catholic/Christian school or something back in the day?)[/size] whether they intend to or not.

I remember back when I was younger, or about a decade ago, I used to try to pick apart a few Oasis tunes to see if Noel had eluded to a few Christian references and did find a few examples*, but I seemed to be the only one to think so. Plus any references probably would've been unconscious/unintentional anyway.

[size="1"](*Ex.  "Cast No Shadow" which has the line "Bound with all the weight of all the words he tried to say
chained to all the places that he never wished to stay...as he faced the sun he cast no shadow. As they took his soul they stole his pride..." ref. to Jesus' crucifixition and/or the stoning of Stephen(?), Live Forever,  Some Might Say with the line: "Some might say they don't believe in heaven, Go and tell it to the man who lives in hell", Acquiesce-"...We believe in one another,I know we're going to uncover, What's sleepin' in our soul...", Up In The Sky which sounds like them fighting God, Gas Panic with the lines "...And if there's a god would he give another chancer, An hour to sing for his soul...And if you hear me tap on your window Yer better get on yer knees and pray panic is on the way!, etc.)[/size]

[LET_THE_FETUS_ROCK]

Echoing what Jim said in his interview on austin city limits,

I love what joseph campbell said about religion.
"I don't think people want meaning to their lives, what they desire is that feeling of being alive!"

  when you connect to something like music or art or  religion it gives you that feeling which is what spirituality is to me.    

[Tapirman]

kay, WAWM was written about a friend who commited suicide. so it's not technically about Jesus. Steam Engine, whether the lyrics say it or not, he sings Jesus. I don't know, these guys certainly have a respect for Christianity, but I don't think it's our responsibility to tear apart the spiritual messages. the guys don't make music to preach to us, they make it to resonate with us. and that resonance ought to be something that defies explanation. some things, like their intent behind a song (especially Dondante) can make it hit so much harder, but it ought to ring with you in some way. their intent should only add to it.
 
that said, if WAWM says something to you about Jesus, that's awesome. The song still is not about Jesus, but if it means something to you in that way, that's what it's their for. But you can't tell us it's about Jesus, because where it means something on that level, it's in that subjective realm where it means something to any of us.  
 
and i'm not bashing Jesus. Christ is who I live for and in. this isn't an argue about that. it's about the song's meaning. and there's two different levels to it.  
 
i think i said it a lot better in a thread further back form last year...




So much for writing my Thesis paper on Two-Tone Tommy being John the Baptist....Sigh.

But in all seriousness I guess everybody takes something different from the songs which makes them even more awesome.

[JohnnyRage]

Am I the only person who prefers to not notice lyrics? I love MMJ's music because his voice is another instrument in their powerful sound. Most of the time I can't understand what he's saying and prefer it that way.

I'm also the type of guy that can watch a commercial and then you immediately ask me about it, and I know nothing.

I don't know if those two are connected somehow?

[JohnnyRage]

...And then I have lyrics quoted in my Sig.

Doh!

[Angry Ewok]

...And then I have lyrics quoted in my Sig.

Doh!

Pwned.

 :P

[tomEisenbraun]

[ycartrob]

uhhhh, please explain what Jabaar playing the Celtics has to do with being Malone'd??

[tomEisenbraun]

exactly.

(true story, I made that thinking I was hilarious. and then realized that I was a complete dumbass when I found out it was Kareem Abdul-Jabaar, and not Karl Malone. I mean, not to mention the fact that it said his name under the picture i took it from and everything. this was a good three or four years ago, mind you...)

[sweatboard]

It's still fucking hillarious, mabey even more so.  Just leave it.

[JohnnyRage]

Bob: Wha - why is there tape on your nose?

Dignan: Exactly!

[sweatboard]

 :-[

[sweatboard]

I mean...........

[suebeeboo]

1.  "The Jacket religion is: LOVE.  That's all."
Nicely said!  I agree!   Jesus did say "the greatest of these is love"  and how about  "Love your neighbor as yourself"   Wouldn't that solve the world's problems?

2.  Who is Dr. Teeth???  (remember - I'm a little slow...)

3.  WWJJD - now THAT'S hilarious!   ;D ;D ;D ;D

[ManNamedTruth]

I wated to weigh in on this. I don't pay any attention to this stuff.  Art should be left for everyones own interpretation. I was raised catholic and have been someone who has resented this. Church doesn't do anything for me. My mind wonders too much and I have anxiey and its impossible for me to pay attention to what the priest is talking about.
And for the record in steam engine he says Jebus, not Jesus. Which I'm not sure if he's reffering to Jesus but the word does have religious origin:

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Je?bus? [jee-buhs] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
an ancient Canaanite city taken by David: it later became Jerusalem.
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jebus

trodden hard, or fastness, or "the waterless hill", the name of the Canaanitish
city which stood on Mount Zion (Josh. 15:8; 18:16, 28). It is identified with
Jerusalem (q.v.) in Judg. 19:10, and with the castle or city of David (1 Chr.
11:4,5). It was a place of great natural strength, and its capture was one of
David's most brilliant achievements (2 Sam. 5:8).

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jebus

Jebus, treading under foot; manger

[sweatboard]

Here you go.........

[ycartrob]

2.  Who is Dr. Teeth???  (remember - I'm a little slow...)

Dr Teeth is on the left, it's his band (Dr.Teeth and The Electric Mayhem). Jim talks about him a lot. And that's Patrick on drums.

[BH]

Here you go.........

Shouldn't that read "KAREEM'ED"

[ManNamedTruth]

Here you go.........

That should be on t-shirts.