All this talk of "getting it" and "not

[ycartrob]

I reserve my disdain for older members who believe their prolonged presence on an internet message board somehow equates to some sort of superiority. As far as I know in the terms of use this place is described as a place where people can talk about the band. I must have missed the part where it said only those who have pissed away countless hours behind their computers can talk about the band. I didnt know posting was the Red Badge of No Social Skills. In the future I'll make sure not to post unless my complexion is a nice, pasty white and the remnants of a this mornings Cheetos breakfast are crusted in the corners of my mouth. But hey, do what you gotta do to maintain that sense of bravado that you get from talking to strangers on the computer.

When you say bravado, do you mean the type of bravado you just used or is it a different type of bravado? Calling us old timers out with such silly things as above is about the same as what you accuse us of, isn't it?  :-/   Maybe you didn't mean to use the word bravado?

just trying to understand, thanks.

[bluntmaster]

J rod even if you got this band you still wouldn't fucking "get it". got it? great. n00b.

[j_rud]

I reserve my disdain for older members who believe their prolonged presence on an internet message board somehow equates to some sort of superiority. As far as I know in the terms of use this place is described as a place where people can talk about the band. I must have missed the part where it said only those who have pissed away countless hours behind their computers can talk about the band. I didnt know posting was the Red Badge of No Social Skills. In the future I'll make sure not to post unless my complexion is a nice, pasty white and the remnants of a this mornings Cheetos breakfast are crusted in the corners of my mouth. But hey, do what you gotta do to maintain that sense of bravado that you get from talking to strangers on the computer.

When you say bravado, do you mean the type of bravado you just used or is it a different type of bravado? Calling us old timers out with such silly things as above is about the same as what you accuse us of, isn't it?  :-/   Maybe you didn't mean to use the word bravado?

just trying to understand, thanks.

You can call it whatever you would like, I was just responding with the same sentiment I was greeted with, thats all.

[j_rud]

J rod even if you got this band you still wouldn't fucking "get it". got it? great. n00b.

Did you really just say "noob"? I wasnt even sure people actually used that word. I was under the impression that its waaaaaay too lame for use in the everyday vernacular. Anyway...

Like I said, I might be new to this board but Ive been following this band since 2001. Exactly how you can surmise exactly what I "get" from reading (or not really reading, judging by your response) a single post on a message board? I dont know exactly what you think "getting it" is, or what I said that has you so incensed, but rest assured that I am amused.

Did you even read my original post? I didnt call anyone out or insult anyone. Read the original post. Its simply a reaction to an observation that Ive made here: any knocks on the new album are being met with claims that the person "doesnt get it". All I said was that this might not be the case. Maybe people just dont care for it. And thats OK too. Im sure the band would tell you that themselves. I also went on to say that I love the new album. So Im not really sure exactly what your problem is.  For someone named "bluntman" you sure are uptight.

I will say this, though: the rampant negativity and rudeness that greats any opinion that deviates from the norm or that can be called "criticism" really does a disservice to the band. Im pretty sure that wasnt the idea that got this board online.

[j_rud]

J rod even if you got this band you still wouldn't fucking "get it". got it? great. n00b.

Ohhh sweet irony!!!!! So I was just curious as to how long one must be a member here to start throwing the word "n00b" around (notice I used zeros instead of O's this time? Fiesty, eh?), so I took a look at your profile. Youve been a member here 51 days. I registered for this board 500-some days ago. Just because I like to read and dont post much doesnt make me a "n00b". Next time do a little research before you insult people you ignorant asshole.

[ycartrob]

[bluntmaster]

J rod even if you got this band you still wouldn't fucking "get it". got it? great. n00b.

Did you really just say "noob"? I wasnt even sure people actually used that word. I was under the impression that its waaaaaay too lame for use in the everyday vernacular. Anyway...

Like I said, I might be new to this board but Ive been following this band since 2001. Exactly how you can surmise exactly what I "get" from reading (or not really reading, judging by your response) a single post on a message board? I dont know exactly what you think "getting it" is, or what I said that has you so incensed, but rest assured that I am amused.

Did you even read my original post? I didnt call anyone out or insult anyone. Read the original post. Its simply a reaction to an observation that Ive made here: any knocks on the new album are being met with claims that the person "doesnt get it". All I said was that this might not be the case. Maybe people just dont care for it. And thats OK too. Im sure the band would tell you that themselves. I also went on to say that I love the new album. So Im not really sure exactly what your problem is.  For someone named "bluntman" you sure are uptight.

I will say this, though: the rampant negativity and rudeness that greats any opinion that deviates from the norm or that can be called "criticism" really does a disservice to the band. Im pretty sure that wasnt the idea that got this board online.

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[bluntmaster]

J rod even if you got this band you still wouldn't fucking "get it". got it? great. n00b.

Ohhh sweet irony!!!!! So I was just curious as to how long one must be a member here to start throwing the word "n00b" around (notice I used zeros instead of O's this time? Fiesty, eh?), so I took a look at your profile. Youve been a member here 51 days. I registered for this board 500-some days ago. Just because I like to read and dont post much doesnt make me a "n00b". Next time do a little research before you insult people you ignorant asshole.

shit son, I've been calling out n00bs on this board since I was 1 day old.  my keen eye can spot them from 1000s of miles away.  you definitely are one by your lack of knowledge of who I, THE BluntMASTER, is.  I mean i can see not knowing fucking tommy two-tones last name, but I'm fucking bluntmaster.  bow to me.

[j_rud]

Thanks for responding bluntmaster, at least now I can get a better picture. Im not sure if its Down Syndrome, Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, or good ol' fashioned profound retardation, but at least now I recognize that bickering with you is about as useful as having teeth in my asshole. Good day, Sir!

[tbw]

Ok, so, on that note, would anyone like some pizza??? Pizza anyone? TWO BOOTS ...next week?

[bluntmaster]

Thanks for responding bluntmaster, at least now I can get a better picture. Im not sure if its Down Syndrome, Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, or good ol' fashioned profound retardation, but at least now I recognize that bickering with you is about as useful as having teeth in my asshole. Good day, Sir!

I was just messing with ya baby cakes relax

[Goat Boy]

i apologize for directing my ire at you...after re-reading your original post i realize you weren't bashing the album, but offering solid points.  and again...sorry j_rud.  i'm just getting tired of new peeps getting on here and bashing the album (vedderhoon, Goat Boy...to name a few).  i'm fine if you express your opinion that you don't like the album, but don't keep bashing it over and over.  

Eh?  Bashing the album?  The only thing of any note I've said about Evil Urges was this - posted on the Evil Urges discussion thread -

Well I downloaded the album when it leaked (my copy arrived monday) so I've had enough time to digest it properly. There's a couple of songs that do little for me. The production bothers me a bit as well on certain tracks - Remnants for example sounds very 'dry'. However I dig the title track - MMJ meets Curtis - and the soft bellbottom rock of Sec' Walkin' and Thank You Too floats my boat as well though I can see why some would have problems with them.

This feels like a transitional album to me as others have noted. It doesn't quite hang together like previous records and deffo not as smoothly as Z and consequently the album works better if you focus on individual tracks. However just as the album seems to get going it stumbles a bit. Two Halves and the clunky Aluminum Park (should never have been sequenced next to Remnants) are the main offenders for me.

I could write a lot more and may come back to this when I get some time at work.

So, I say there's a couple of songs that don't do it for me (Two Halves, Aluminum Park and Highly Suspicious actually) so conversely, most of the songs actual DO something for me.  I mention that I dig the title track and the '70's soft rock' tracks that some don't like - Thank You Too and Sec Walkin float my boat.  And that's it basically.  Apparently that's 'bashing' the album?  No it ain't.  If I wanted to really 'bash' the album the tone and content would be a lot different.  Perhaps similar to my Pink Floyd posts.

And that is all I've said.  So 'bashing it over and over' is simply not true.  Might I suggest that you, like others round these parts, are waaay too sensitive when it comes to people - especially 'newbies' - criticising the music.  

Personally I'm tired of older members taking such personal offence at the opinions of others who happen to have a negative or less than complimentary slant and ESPECIALLY if - heaven forbid - they are the dreaded 'newbies'.  There is an obvious undercurrent of snobbery regarding this issue from certain posters who want the board to run according to their rules.  This includes no 'negative' posting or any criticism of the music at all and definitely not from those cheeky newbies who have the NERVE to join a fan forum and post something that doesn't amount to uncritical fanboy praise as a first post.   I mean look at this statement posted on a different thread -

If you know the Jacket, I mean really know them and love their music, I don't understand how you don't "get" this album.

Now, what does that statement amount to?  This - if you are a 'true' fan, a proper one LIKE ME, then you will 'get' this album (implying there is something mysterious to actually 'get') however if you DON'T like this record then I'm sorry but you don't really know the band or love their music i.e. you aren't really a fan.  The poster did, to be fair, reply to a criticism of that post in a decent manner but then he goes and fucks it up again by posting this -

The reality is, this is My Morning Jacket; They love it, I love it, you don't. They get it, I get it, you don't.

See?  MMJ love it!  So does the poster!  So if you DON'T love it and don't GET IT like the band do and the poster does then, you know?  I mean what does that imply exactly?  I'll leave you to make your own mind up.  

The same poster then posts this pearl -

And that it pisses people off that I like this music. How insecure do you have to be about yourself that it pisses you off that someone really likes a song that you don't like?

To which I ask - how insecure do you have to be when it pisses you off that somebody DOESN'T like a song or record YOU like?  Somebody who then decides to post on this forum (apparently this belongs to the band not the fans) that they don't like it?  I could post examples of this knee jerk sensitivity.

So, I'm sure you can see why your seemingly ambiguous statement (I really don't think it was that ambiguous actually but hey ho) about not 'getting' it in the context of this board isn't so ambiguous at all really.  Especially not when you then post this sarcy comment-

I love new members.

thanks for blessing us with your opinions.

Which, might I suggest, removed some of the 'ambiguity' you see present in the above statement?  It was a dismissal of any opinion that doesn't come from one of the more senior members of the board which ties in with what other posters, like the one I quoted above, have been posting.  Especially when you even admitted you didn't read the post properly the first time before replying.  Like I said - knee jerk sensitivity.

[ycartrob]

goatboy, it's obvious I bother you, and I am backing off from "implying" things around here and returning to good old fun. ( I do not retract my statement that I don't understand how a real MMJ fan doesn't "get" EU; and that's not a jab at anyone, just a statement, I'd challenge you not to read anything into that).
I am sorry if I have made you uncomfortable, but you come here to stir up shit, and you do, and then act all innocent when people reply. Trust me, your game isn't new and it's sort of fun to go back and forth, knowing the whole time there is absolutely nothing either of us will say that will change each others' minds. It's obvious you like the confrontation, and for the most part, you're good at it. I also read where you blasted someone for having musical snobbery when you proclaimed yourself earlier to be a musical snob. So be it, it is all meaningless, pretty much. Plus, you just go 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round..... zzzzzzzzz   And, it sort of flatters me you respond to my posts in such detail.  ;)

So, not everyone can get along, but I am trying. Hell, I was even critical of a MMJ song, just for you guys who feel you have to be critical of music :
http://www.mymorningjacket.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1213274143

hope you have fun around here and please don't take things personally, it's just the internet.

cheers

tally ho

[cmccubbin25]

Goatboy,

I'm still waiting for an explanation of this quote from you:

"However I dig the title track - MMJ meets Curtis..."

Moving on...

Let me explain to you where I was coming from with regards to my "sarcy" comment regarding new members.  Just because I have more posts or have been a member longer than someone else doesn't entitle me to anything.  However, it is VERY frustrating and annoying when people are joining the message board or making their first post about how much they dislike the album.  I joined this message board because I love this band and love talking about this band.  There are certain bands that I have much disdain for, but I would NEVER join their message board and start insulting their fans and their work product.  I know people will say this is different because they loved At Dawn, TN Fire, ISM and Z.  Its not different...people are still coming on here just to critique the album.  I could care less if you like anything off Evil Urges...I don't even know your name!  So I'm not "insecure" regarding my musical tastes...I just don't like the fact that people are coming on here out of the blue to bash the album.

We respect everyone's opinions here, but respect is earned.  Its not just given to you because you sign up for the message board and start trashing the album.  A lot of people on here have "earned the stripes" so to say by posting setlists, photos, live recordings, trading shows with each other, meeting outside of this message board, posting inside information about recording techniques and equipment, and creating MMJ tab sites.  This doesn't make these people superior message board members, but it does garner a little respect.  For all we know the new members posting on this board have never even heard the TN Fire or gems like "Tyrone" or "Come Closer."

This is where our "knee jerk sensitivity" comes from.

You can interpret my use of the words "get it" anyway you want, but I have already explained what I meant by it.  I had an emotional connection with the album, others didn't.

Finally, please be a positive force on this board and as Tracy has said stop stirring shit up just for confrontation.

[Mi Chaqueta]

to make multiple At Dawn like albums would get old real quick and would not allow the band to explore different musical ideas as well as their career would be short..........now don't get me wrong I like their older albums a great deal but the new direction is intriguing to me as a fan.  I really like Evil Urges.  It is a perfect blend of styles that fits together in an interesting ever changing listen for this fan.....bands don't break apart fan bases.........spoiled complacent fans cause this division........if you really like a band you accept and enjoy every album in a different way.........you can have your favorites among the group but to turn your back on a band due to branching out artistically?.........you were never a real fan anyway.........go back to Fall Out Boy I guess.........

[YouAre_GivenToFly]

Maybe some people just weren't prepared to get rocked.... rocked hard.

[odatat]

just take what you need and leave the rest   ;) :-*

[cmccubbin25]

just take what you need and leave the rest   ;) :-*

but they should have never taken the very best!  ;)

[ycartrob]

This thread is starting to give me a headache.  "Be nice or else" means be nice or else!   :-/

so, what you're saying is, be nice or else? Just want to make sure I understand you.

[Mi Chaqueta]

thing is there really is not a newbee on message boards just because you joined a band site after others...........that does not mean you were not a fan or a very educated person on their music before the others..........you just did not sign up to the message board until later...........over my years on various message boards I have seen the same thing.............for the most part people would not be here if they did not like the band.........the ones that are trolls weed themselves out real quick.........