One Big Holiday closing song

[AMightyCaporal]

I do love it as a closer, but it's getting to be a bit like "Yellow Ledbetter" - almost an audible "awwww!" from the crowd when those opening notes ring out, because you know the show's almost over.

true-  my heart starts aching about halfway through the song because the show is ending- I always wish it would last longer

they should play it at the end of the show so everyone thinks that the show is over then bust out into something else.  I don't know what could follow it though... what song would they play?

[lazybones]

While it's a great closer it's grown quite tired in that slot.  I loved it when in 2004 at the Crystal Ballroom when the opened with it.  Really raised the energy right out of the gates.  It was also their big hit at that time and it was almost like they wanted to get it out of the way in order to get into deeper material.  Magheeta is a good closer.  I think Remnants would work quite effectivley in the closing/encore slot.

[tdogjuwan]

I loved it as an opener and a closer but would have loved to have heard something different at the end.  What about this...they close with a cover.  It would be fun and unexpected and could change nightly. It would also put a different stamp on every show. I'm not saying a different cover every night but they could get 8-10 in a rotation.

[capt. scotty]

I loved it as an opener and a closer but would have loved to have heard something different at the end.  What about this...they close with a cover.  It would be fun and unexpected and could change nightly. It would also put a different stamp on every show. I'm not saying a different cover every night but they could get 8-10 in a rotation.

In that Triple J interview/session, JJ says they dont typically play covers at their shows bc they want it to be an MMJ experience for the fans.

He says the usually only break out the covers for party shows, ie Bonnaroo, New Years, etc.

[ycartrob]

When youre a Dead or Phish fan

that's about as far as I made it through that post.

[capt. scotty]

When youre a Dead or Phish fan

that's about as far as I made it through that post.

Thats a shame. You missed out on POTD

[ycartrob]

When youre a Dead or Phish fan

that's about as far as I made it through that post.

Thats a shame. You missed out on POTD

If I had a nickel for evey time I have read the dreaded "if MMJ was more like Phish/Dead" line here over the past 6 years, I'd have like 7 dollars and 35 cents.

just get over it, you're comparing cheetahs to cornflakes

[capt. scotty]

When youre a Dead or Phish fan

that's about as far as I made it through that post.

Thats a shame. You missed out on POTD

If I had a nickel for evey time I have read the dreaded "if MMJ was more like Phish/Dead" line here over the past 6 years, I'd have like 7 dollars and 35 cents.

just get over it, you're comparing cheetahs to cornflakes

If you had actually read my whole post, I didnt even compare the music or bands - I said people who are Phish or Dead fans are spoiled by their setlist variety, and that MMJ certainly has the catalogue and skill to mix up the setlists more if they wanted.

Maybe you shouldnt have stopped after half a sentence  ;)

[ycartrob]

When youre a Dead or Phish fan

that's about as far as I made it through that post.

Thats a shame. You missed out on POTD

If I had a nickel for evey time I have read the dreaded "if MMJ was more like Phish/Dead" line here over the past 6 years, I'd have like 7 dollars and 35 cents.

just get over it, you're comparing cheetahs to cornflakes

If you had actually read my whole post, I didnt even compare the music or bands - I said people who are Phish or Dead fans are spoiled by their setlist variety, and that MMJ certainly has the catalogue and skill to mix up the setlists more if they wanted.

Maybe you shouldnt have stopped after half a sentence  ;)

no, it's the SAME discussion that happens EVERY TIME Phish/Dead is brought up here: longer set lists and more variety in the set lists. Heard it before. And you ARE comparing the bands. This discussion is old hat here.

You can leave a cornflake in a bowl of milk for hours and some people love it; try to keep a cheetah in a bowl of milk.

a cheetah. My God, do you understand what I am spraying?

[ycartrob]

Cornflake



Cheetah

[ycartrob]

Raisin Bran



Mount Vesuvius

[capt. scotty]

You can leave a cornflake in a bowl of milk for hours and some people love it; try to keep a cheetah in a bowl of milk.

So what did you get on the analogy section of the SAT's???

32 out of 800?

[Isobella]

I don't think it is always best to close with a rocker type song, one of the things i liked about U2 shows was that they would close with 40 and the crowd would still be singing after the band left the stage.
No need to flame if you don't like U2 its just an example.

[AlwxanderD10]

I think OBH is a dandy closer, but Id rather they not be so predictable.

Ponder this - you know theyre going to play OBH when you see them, but you have absolutely no idea when they pull it out. Now thats spine tingling. Id almost wish they made it their wild card song and just went into it whenever they felt the energy and the stars aligning without going by setlist order and such :D

Check the Nashville recording.  Jim through me for a loop.  He says "It's been a real hoot Nash Vegas(or something along those lines)," then jumps right into Anytime.  I said to LoveDog, they're not going to play One Big Holiday?  That's crazy!  They got done with Anytime then threw One Big Holiday at the end and it was phenomenal.  Second best version I've heard live (behind the Ear X-tacy show where you could hear everyone singing it).

Is there a recording of the ear X-tacy show??

[lazybones]

I find it humorous that Tracy used a "recent" picture of Mickey Hart when comparing the Dead to Raisin Bran.  Ole Mick's probably eating it daily to stay regular at his age  ;).  The truth of the matter is this: MMJ is my second favorite band right behind the GD.  Love them to death and have been fortunate enough to see Jim and the boys more than I got to see Jerry and the boys.  But hands down the Dead in their prime ('68-'77 imo) could play circles around MMJ.

[ycartrob]

I find it humorous that Tracy used a "recent" picture of Mickey Hart when comparing the Dead to Raisin Bran.  Ole Mick's probably eating it daily to stay regular at his age  ;).  The truth of the matter is this: MMJ is my second favorite band right behind the GD.  Love them to death and have been fortunate enough to see Jim and the boys more than I got to see Jerry and the boys.  But hands down the Dead in their prime ('68-'77 imo) could play circles around MMJ.

Play circles around? What a silly thing to say.

And I like the GD. But for Gods' sakes, I contemplated the back of my hand on acid for hours once. The GD doesn't become a cultural phenomenom without such a powerful hallucinogen; think about it  ;)

plus, my original response was about the length of set lists and how old it is when people talk about GD/Phish set lists compared to MMJ.

I can sit here and tap my foot for a good 7 straight hours if need be, but probably can't juggle flaming chainsaws for more than a couple of minutes.

once again

Cornflakes to Cheetahs

[lazybones]

Wow.  You used that same old tired standby stereotype - "the drug factor". Imagine that.   If you get tired of MMJ and Dead comparisons then god do I ever get tired of that cliche.  I got turned onto to the Dead before I dropped acid.  I haven't done any psychs in over 5 years and I'm still as big a head as I ever was.  The music is cerebral - with or without the assistance of substances.  And as for short selling the Dead's overall cultural and musical impact and relevance as some LSD laced hypnotic zombie hat trick well then why didn't Jefferson Airplane or any handful of other S.F. or "psychedelic" era rock bands produce a similar phenomenon?  I'm pretty sure those in attendance at their shows were equally as dosed.  

And actually your original response was  flaming " if MMJ was more like Phish/Dead"  which was off base in the first place.  Homeboy was wishing they would mix up the setlist a bit more- which luckily for us Oregon folk we were able to witness to some degree in Sept '08  :).  He used setlist variation as the comparison- not a blanket or even musical comparison between he two.  Just sounds to me like some deadhead pissed in your...cornflakes.

[capt. scotty]

at least he knows what im talking about  ::)

[ycartrob]

Wow.  You used that same old tired standby stereotype - "the drug factor". Imagine that.   If you get tired of MMJ and Dead comparisons then god do I ever get tired of that cliche.  I got turned onto to the Dead before I dropped acid.  I haven't done any psychs in over 5 years and I'm still as big a head as I ever was.  The music is cerebral - with or without the assistance of substances.  And as for short selling the Dead's overall cultural and musical impact and relevance as some LSD laced hypnotic zombie hat trick well then why didn't Jefferson Airplane or any handful of other S.F. or "psychedelic" era rock bands produce a similar phenomenon?  I'm pretty sure those in attendance at their shows were equally as dosed.  

And actually your original response was  flaming " if MMJ was more like Phish/Dead"  which was off base in the first place.  Homeboy was wishing they would mix up the setlist a bit more- which luckily for us Oregon folk we were able to witness to some degree in Sept '08  :).  He used setlist variation as the comparison- not a blanket or even musical comparison between he two.  Just sounds to me like some deadhead pissed in your...cornflakes.

you cannot seperate the GD from the drug movement. That's not a stereotype, it just is. That's like saying referring to margaritas when talking about Jimmy Buffet is a cliche or a stereotype. Hell, I saw Buffet 2x and I still have never had a margarita!  ;D To deny it (or say it's some cliche) either means you're being disingenuous or you just have your head buried in the sand.
Don't be embarrassed that rampant and open drug use was one of the main draws for their shows for decades, it is what it is. Like Widespread Panic.

The problem I have is GD/Phish fans here wanting MMJ to be more like Phish/GD. That's all. I like the GD. I couldn't care less if MMJ plays only a 2.5 hour show and the set list is predictable. I love seeing them live. They are who they want to be. Too bad they aren't the band you want them to be.

I was waiting tables once and a couple used to come in and sit in my section like 1x a week. They were "of the 60's" and I told them the deadhead joke ( What did the one dh who ran out of drugs say to the other dh who ran out of drugs? This music sux). But when I got to the punch line he filled in a different answer, when I said:

What did to one dh who ran out of drugs say to the other dh who ran out of drugs?

he said:  Got any drugs?

;D

MMJ setlists are not like Phish or the GD's. Period. And they don't owe you an apology. And when you are complaining that this bands set list should be more like that bands set list, then you are flaming on the band. Sorry, but you are.

So, my yearly rant to all the GD/Phish fans longing for the 9 hour back-boneless noodle is over; get over it because it ain't gonna happen. I think that's one of the reasons they wrote Highly Suspicious, to try and bury the jam band tag and challenge people to get on board with their scene and not to re-create yet another "jam band scene". They saw the writing on the wall and smeared it with peanut butter pudding suprise. And I love 'em for it!
that's all I got.

book it

[searchinbig]

Hey...

On the flip side of this post I've often wondered how MMJ will be able to keep up the energy, or what their stage presence will be when they get older. By that I mean the way Jim flies around the stage and Patrick goes off on drums, as well as the rest of the band.

Being a Dead Head myself (please don't hold that against me!) I would not want MMJ to go into space with the music. Totally different kinds of music. I do like the way they are changing up songs and extending them a bit, however.  Even the Dead in the mid to late 80's realized they could pack more songs in to their shows by not jamming as much, although that changed again later on.

MMJ is a much higher energy level band, imho. Yeah I danced my ass off at Dead shows, but MMJ is crazy cutting the rug!  

I myself cannot compare the two bands at all as far as similarities, and would not want to!

Two great bands and much more greatness to come from these guys.