bands more influential than the beatles

[Alligator Gar]

well since carl perkins directly inspired john lennon to start his skiffle group The Quarry Men which later became the beatles AND since Dylan inspired lennon to change the motivation of the band towards solid music making, i'd say that carl perkins and bob dylan are at the top of the influential list. perkins also had a big hand in the career of johnny cash and he WROTE blue suede shoes for christ's sake. an then there's zeppelin who inspired (either way, whether you think negatively or positively) the nwobhm (new wave of british heavy metal)so that'd be my bare bones list focused directly on pop music

carl perkins
bob dylan
led zeppelin

Yes, but it goes like this for Bob Dylan:

Leadbelly inspired by/copies unknown early country blues artists;Woody Guthrie inspired by/copies Leadbelly; Jack Elliot inspired by/copies Wood Guthrie; Dylan inspired by/copies Woody Guthrie & Jack Elliot.

Dylan is a con-artist adn a very good one at that.

Also, I would say that Jimmie Rogers made modern country music, inspiring Hank Williams, Carl Perkins, Johnny Cash.

So, there you go...

[ycartrob]

Bob Dylan may have followed in folkies footsteps, but they did not write his lyrics. To say Bob Dylan is a con artist is a bit shallow, considering all the unbelievable lyrics he has written (IMO).

[doEVILslittle]

yeah i forgot about dylan's whole con artist approach...he duped me again! oh bob...

[ycartrob]

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doeslittle said it better

Bob Dylan cons me everytime I hear It Allright ma I'm Only Bleeding. he's been doing it for 30 years now, sly dog.

[ycartrob]

so how exactly do you highlight text in gray?  ???

[Alligator Gar]

Bob Dylan may have followed in folkies footsteps, but they did not write his lyrics. To say Bob Dylan is a con artist is a bit shallow, considering all the unbelievable lyrics he has written (IMO).

 :D

[HorkoLad]

Lets not forget the Carter Family, folks!

[Alligator Gar]

Lets not forget the Carter Family, folks!

I'm pretty sure I didn't, pal.  :-/

[aMillionDreams]

well since carl perkins directly inspired john lennon to start his skiffle group The Quarry Men which later became the beatles AND since Dylan inspired lennon to change the motivation of the band towards solid music making, i'd say that carl perkins and bob dylan are at the top of the influential list. perkins also had a big hand in the career of johnny cash and he WROTE blue suede shoes for christ's sake. an then there's zeppelin who inspired (either way, whether you think negatively or positively) the nwobhm (new wave of british heavy metal)so that'd be my bare bones list focused directly on pop music

carl perkins
bob dylan
led zeppelin

I agree 100%.  Well...maybe 95%.  I would put Dylan at the top.  And saying that Bob Dylan is a con artist is ridiculous, I don't even know how to begin to respond.

[doEVILslittle]

I agree 100%.  Well...maybe 95%.  I would put Dylan at the top.  And saying that Bob Dylan is a con artist is ridiculous, I don't even know how to begin to respond.

i only put perkins first cuz he came first...no real preference, i mean i'll take zeppelin over bob any day and they're LAST on my list..but i mean jeez it's a list of 3 so it really doesn't matter i guess

[SmoothOprtr]

I continue to be stunned by how little recognition Black Sabbath gets on this topic... only one previous post mention to them and they were passed on for the ROck N Roll hall of fame while George Harrison's solo career was deemed worthy.  Nearly every rock n roller I followed as a kid confessed Sabbath was a influence on them.  Ozzy's current solo career, his reality show, his annoying wife and kids, his goofy appearence at Wrigley Field, aas well as the post Ozzy Sabbath era all aid in the cheapening of the bands legacy, but nevertheless they have been far more influential (remember, there is a difference between influential and inovative/original) then the majority of the bands listed.

[primushead]

Did anyone say elvis?  i don't listen to him, but you can't deny his influence.

[aMillionDreams]

Did anyone say elvis?  i don't listen to him, but you can't deny his influence.

Thia ia where the conversation turns into a question of semantics.  I think of Elvis as more of a cultural influence than a musicial one.  Elvis was not the first to do what he was doing, or the best for that matter, but he was the only white boy doing it which made white people take notice of rock 'n' roll.  I mean, he was a better actor than a songwriter and that's not saying much.  I think if Bob Dylan is going to be labeled a white man's artist that we should call a spade a spade (no pun intended) when it comes to Elvis.

[ironchefbenjata]

I haven't read through this whole thread but here's my .02

The Sonics
The Ventures
Booker T
Rev. Gary Davis
The MC5
The Stooges
Patti Smith Group!
Joy Division
The Smiths
Neil Young and Crazy Horse
Husker Du
Minutemen
Black Flag
Mission of Burma
The Gordons
The Clean (+ all that NZ Flying Nun stuff)

[ratsprayer]

I haven't read through this whole thread but here's my .02


The Clean (+ all that NZ Flying Nun stuff)

hell yeah!  the tall dwarfs directly influenced all the E6 stuff like neutral milk hotel, olivia tremor control, etc.

[ironchefbenjata]

hell yeah!  the tall dwarfs directly influenced all the E6 stuff like neutral milk hotel, olivia tremor control, etc.

There was a band called The Pin Group who were NZ's answer to Joy Division. If you find that album, check it out by all means. They do a cover of "Low Rider" that has to be heard to be believed.

Also alot of that really low-fi stuff by The Clean sounds like Lou Barlow and Bob Pollard took notes.

[whitepepper]

not sure if posted but Parilement/Funkadelic

[dragonboy]

I don't think Prodigy are on the list are they?
In my humble opinion The Prodigy introduced Dance Kids & Hip-Hop heads to Rock & Metal & vice versa. They were the first dance group to grace the pages of Kerrang! due to their punishing live shows & are responsible for many of the dance/hip-hop/metal cross-over bands that the kids seem to love so much today.

[ycartrob]

I'll repeat ratsprayer and say:

Kraftwerk

Without Kraftwerk, there's none of that techno/dance/hip hop/electronica/etc.../yadda yadda yadda/goom blutz blatz music.

These guys were sampling in the 70's and their music sounds more innovative and fresh than anything that has come out since.

BUY>> Minimum-Maximum (their new live release)
     or  Trans-Euope Express.

[primushead]

I don't think Prodigy are on the list are they?
In my humble opinion The Prodigy introduced Dance Kids & Hip-Hop heads to Rock & Metal & vice versa. They were the first dance group to grace the pages of Kerrang! due to their punishing live shows & are responsible for many of the dance/hip-hop/metal cross-over bands that the kids seem to love so much today.

I loved prodigy.  I remember when I bought 'fat of the land' and i thought it was the greatest thing ever.  But then I faded out of the techno scene...but the album still holds a special place in my heart.