'Airlines terror plot' disrupted
A plot to blow up planes in flight from the UK to the US and commit "mass murder on an unimaginable scale" has been disrupted, Scotland Yard has said.
It is thought the plan was to detonate explosive devices smuggled in hand luggage on to as many as 10 aircraft.
Police were searching premises with 21 people in custody after arrests in the London area and West Midlands.
High security is causing delays at all UK airports. The threat level to the UK has been raised by MI5 to critical.
According to MI5's website, critical threat level - the highest - means "an attack is expected imminently and indicates an extremely high level of threat to the UK".
Heathrow Airport has been closed to all incoming flights that are not already in the air, while several outbound services have been cancelled.
The airport is crammed with thousands of passengers, while at Stansted more than 2,000 people are queuing to pass through customs.
'Operation ongoing'
Metropolitan Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner Paul Stephenson said the alleged plotters had intended "mass murder on an unimaginable scale".
"We are confident that we have disrupted a plan by terrorists to cause untold death and destruction and to commit, quite frankly, mass murder," he said.
"We believe that the terrorists' aim was to smuggle explosives on to aeroplanes in hand luggage and to detonate these in flight. We also believe that the intended targets were flights from the United Kingdom to the United States of America.
"I can confirm that a significant number of people are currently in custody and the operation is ongoing."
Police had spoken to a "good number of community leaders to make them aware that a major operation was under way," he added.
The arrests took place in London, High Wycombe and Birmingham.
West Midlands Police said two men were arrested under the Terrorism Act in Birmingham. No firearms officers were involved in the operation, it said in a statement.
According to BBC sources the "principal characters" suspected of being involved in the plot were British-born.
BBC home affairs correspondent Andy Tighe said police sources had told him they had found "interesting items" which were being examined.
He said police acted when "something happened".
"Some kind of development that they felt if they held off any longer it could be detremental to public safety."
In other major developments:
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The US Department of Homeland Security increased the threat level applied to US-bound commercial flights originating in the UK to "red" - the first time it has done this for flights coming in from another country
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The Home Office confirmed there had been three meetings overnight and on Thursday morning of the Cabinet's emergency committee, Cobra, chaired by Home Secretary John Reid, to discuss the terror alert
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A spokesman for Number 10 said Tony Blair had briefed US President George Bush on the situation during the night
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All passengers were banned from taking hand luggage onto flights, while the government warned of delays.
BBC home affairs correspondent Daniel Sandford said he did not think the police believed an attack was imminent now there had been arrests.
"The reason for raising the threat level is in case there is some other sub-plot, back-up plot around this that the police aren't aware of," he said.
BBC security correspondent Gordon Corera said given that most liquids were being banned from flights it suggested the suspected plot involved "some kind of liquid explosive".
He also said the plot had an "international dimension", while the investigation had involved the CIA.
"The Americans have definitely been involved for quite some time," he said.
Prime Minister Tony Blair is on holiday in the Caribbean, but Downing Street said the police operation was undertaken with his full support and he had been "in constant touch".
So upsetting. Those arrested are British born according to the news report. Brought up here but still feeling able to kill people who might be their neighbours. I just can't get my head round it. Looks like a new method as well - liquid explosives in drinks bottles.
One report said the raid at Forest Gate a few weeks ago could be linked to this. I wouldn't be surprised. Police don't go into people's houses and shoot them at random. There must have been a real threat or firearms wouldn't have been authorised.
Lots of airlines have cancelled flights to the UK altogether. On a selfish note I hope I still get to see my sister next week. She lives in France and I only see her twice a year.
On the positive side, this attack has been thwarted. The intelligence services both here and abroad have worked hard and well. I'm glad we've got them.
QuoteOn a selfish note I hope I still get to see my sister next week. She lives in France and I only see her twice a year.
I hope you do.
It seems like we'll have to wait for more information to make some sensefull comments on this. But I do wonder if the terrorists will claim to be particularly inspired by the Palestine-Israeli conflict.
For now, we don't know. Let's wait and hope nothing worse happens in the meantime.
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Let's wait and hope nothing worse happens in the meantime.
Indeed.
It puts the trivialities we discuss on here into perspective.
One can't help feeling that the worst is yet to happen and that the issues that feed terrorism need to be confronted more seriously .
Yet the bad side of me still thinks the inappropriate. I can't help thinking of my tickets for Edinburgh and London and whether the guys will yet again be thwarted in their attempts to return to these shores.
Sorry for that :-[
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Yet the bad side of me still thinks the inappropriate. I can't help thinking of my tickets for Edinburgh and London and whether the guys will yet again be thwarted in their attempts to return to these shores.
Sorry for that :-[
No need to apologize.
We all see things from our own perspective first.
Just got home & read this thread, I've got BBC World on now....shit! :-/
That's just a perfect example of how these events affect our freedom in so many ways. It is freedom and freedom only that I would fight for, whatever that may mean......
QuoteIt puts the trivialities we discuss on here into perspective.
Indeed...
It's strange/difficult though isn't it? I've watched the news religiously (key word?) every day since the Israel/Hezbollah conflict began. How many people have died since the conflict began only a few weeks ago? Iraq?
Every day I'm shocked & hurt by what I see & yet here I am watching the news with regards to a 'real terror threat' in my home country feeling (momentarily) even worse.
I need to consciously remind myself sometimes that a life lost is a life lost, no matter where it occurs...
booga booga. the hype machine is getting y'all ready for what's going to happen soon. who benefits from these attacks? terrorists or war-hungry countries?
basically what i'm saying is that terrorism is bad, and no one should lose their life because of terrorism. i just don't like seeing people get the shit scared out of them for political reasons. there could and would be many more terrorists attacks if the threat was as serious as it's claimed to be. i wish everyone safe journies no matter where they go. don't let the fear take over, that's just what they want to happen.
Quotethere could and would be many more terrorists attacks if the threat was as serious as it's claimed to be.
i don't think i agree with that, rats. there don't need to be actual physical acts of violence for terrorism to succeed. like you say, they (whoever "they" are, i'm sure there's not just one group or person involved) want people to be scared. the threat of violent action is often enough to paralyse people (and i'm talking general populus here, not necessarily the few people in government) in fear - fear is enough to break down normal behaviours, normal rational thinking... i think fear is way more powerful, in a negative way, than anger.
hope everyone who's travelling stay safe
Are you saying the threat is hyped for political ends, ratsprayer? If you are I don't think I agree. I don't trust politicians but things like this affect the economy and I don't think the British Government would risk that. There's a lot of opposition to our government's support of US foreign policy, including within Labour MPs, Blair's own party. This opposition is even more marked now with the most recent violence in Lebanon. Making people fear terrorist attacks would not make people support the government. I feel it would have the opposite effect.
i do think the fear is hyped for political purposes. blair is in big trouble for his support of the bush administration, and what better way to have positive publicity and make him look good than foil a terrorist plot, proving by their logic, what they're doing is working and needs to continue. these arrests and whatnot only happen when our leaders' numbers are tanking in the polls. the fear that is generated from all this does in fact make people support the government. even those on the fence tend to sway back to their government's side when these things happen. i don't expect agreement with what i'm saying, i'm used to that. things will get much worse before they get better, but the opposition to all this madness is growing in numbers, and those elitists in power know it and will do whatever it takes to squash the movement.
take back the new millennium, this one was gonna be ours.
while i do believe that there are many (many, many) people out there who want to commit real acts of terrorism and cause distruction and death, i think i understand where ratsprayer is coming from.
when i saw this story this morning with my husband, we couldn't help but wonder if it's a little too convenient that with elections coming here in the US, that the powers that be would want to keep people afraid. i think the people mistrust the US administration so much that they don't believe anything anymore.
that's what happens when you lie and mislead your way to power... someday they are going to cry wolf for real and the call will go unheeded. THAT's going to be the true disaster...
i hate it that i am so suspicious, but it's been made clear to most americans that their government doesn't give a damn about them, their lives, jobs, kids, etc...
here, rats, i'm totally with ya, it sucks though. i want to be less cynical....
Would one of the busiest airports in the world (the busiest?) really ground it's planes losing the airline industry millions & costing holiday goers thousands at the height of the season if the threat wasn't real?
the answer is yes. they would forego all that money to advance the agenda that's in place. why would the US government lose all that money due to 9/11? it's been proven that the official story doesn't hold together, and you can make of that what you will. the powers that be don't care to wreck the economy at all. in fact, the US economy is tanking big time right time, regardless of what reports are out there. when in fact the housing market bursts and more companies continue to move overseas, you'll see quite an advance in the dictatorial powers already established here. a ruined economy is perfect grounds to trick people in to supporting anything their leaders say. that's been the model througout history. hitler took power during germany's huge post WW1 collapse. the airline industry is not an important industry in the thick of things. the oil industry and most banking industries dictate what happens, and they're still making plenty of money throughout this.
rats, I just hope you're not one of those who will blame the gov't when we do get attacked again.
That's the shit I don't like; blame the gov't for over-hyping threats and then blaming the gov't for not doing enough if we are attacked again (and we will be, it's just a matter of time).
Quoterats, I just hope you're not one of those who will blame the gov't when we do get attacked again.
That's the shit I don't like; blame the gov't for over-hyping threats and then blaming the gov't for not doing enough if we are attacked again (and we will be, it's just a matter of time).
well you can go ahead and not like me. i think the government is responsible and complicit in all these terrorist attacks we've seen the past few years. there's no way possible that 9/11 went down like they said it did. i think most people are just in denial about that because it would tear one's world apart as to why their own government would be a part of something like that. we will be attacked again, and something horrible is on the horizon because we're long overdue to be in iran and change the face of the middle east for the near future.
9/11 was a very simple operation (in the grand scheme of life). Take a handful of Islamic extremists who are willing to die, 4 of them learn how to fly, and so they take advantage of lacks airport security.
Why is that so hard to comprehend?
Quotethese arrests and whatnot only happen when our leaders' numbers are tanking in the polls. the fear that is generated from all this does in fact make people support the government. even those on the fence tend to sway back to their government's side when these things happen.
i don't agree with this one either. i think the fear that's generated from these threats makes people look more critically at their governments - both to assess what the governments are doing in a global sense (foreign policy) and also to assess what they do both domestically and internationally in response to the threat. i think these situations make people more critical politically, and more AWARE politically. when things don't affect you directly, it is quite easy to ignore. i'm not saying that people don't care about what their government's foreign policies are normally, but when the resulting consequences directly threaten you in your day to day life, i think people start taking it all a hell of a lot more seriously. which i personally find really sad, that this is what it takes for people to look at the way the world is, this is what our elected governments are doing, and to question things. i agree with andrew saying that it's an uncomfortable position to watch wars and people dying on tv and then have a different reaction when the threat is against your own country, that is a part of the way our lives work these days. tv objectifies and separates us from the actual reality of these horrific events, and makes it so much easier to sit back & say, well they did wrong, they deserve it. or whatever. i find this a really horrible uncomfortable situation, living in a country that has never had a war on its soil, never even a civil war. and don't get me wrong, i am incredibly grateful for that fact, but i think it makes us all a bit complacent. knowing that there are people trying to live their lives in these horrendous conditions (all over the world, not just the middle east by the way) while i live my (by comparison) cushy life....
i think the whole government involvement thing is just a big conspiracy theory. what has happened is a reaction to many things (foreign policy, religious intolerance, ignorance, fear, etc etc etc) but i would really really think that just writing the whole thing off as "the government did it" is just a bit simplistic. i think greed and vested financial interest had a lot to do with the iraq wars, and i think for sure that some people profit from terrorism and its results, but to just almost dismiss the whole thing as a government-originating hype and manipulation exercise is a bit daft.
i'm not saying we don't like you, i'm just finding it a bit hard to understand you at the moment.
and i find it hard to believe that the us economy is "ruined" enough to warrant a comparison with the situation in post-WW1 germany.... there is no way in hell.
and.....
Quotewe will be attacked again, and something horrible is on the horizon because we're long overdue to be in iran and change the face of the middle east for the near future
.... by WE do you mean the US? i hope you don't think that by steaming in there with guns blazing will solve the situation. i would have though recent history would have taught you something about that.
tracy... i don't know what i believe about 9/11... i don't know if i skew toward the "loose change" view on things, or toward the "terrorism" angle.
but...
isn't this simple operation a little *too* simple? too clean? too... something? i read somewhere that if you are ever held at gun point and are able to run away, that you should try to do that, even though the attacker may shoot at you. the logic? what are the odds that he'll actually shoot? that the shot will hit you? that the wound would then be serious? that the serious wound would be fatal? very small... how come nobody fought back against a box cutter?
i'm not trying to minimize any deaths or the terrifying reality of being held at knife point, but wouldn't YOU at least try to fight back?
Quotehow come nobody fought back against a box cutter?
because they were scared. like i said before, fear is paralysing. not everyone has the courage/guts/clarity of thought or purpose to run away from a gun or whatever. i'm not sure i would, but i don't know, as i've never been in that position.
Quotetracy... i don't know what i believe about 9/11... i don't know if i skew toward the "loose change" view on things, or toward the "terrorism" angle.
but...
isn't this simple operation a little *too* simple? too clean? too... something? i read somewhere that if you are ever held at gun point and are able to run away, that you should try to do that, even though the attacker may shoot at you. the logic? what are the odds that he'll actually shoot? that the shot will hit you? that the wound would then be serious? that the serious wound would be fatal? very small... how come nobody fought back against a box cutter?
i'm not trying to minimize any deaths or the terrifying reality of being held at knife point, but wouldn't YOU at least try to fight back?
No one fought back b/c in just about every hijacking in the history of the world (I said just about) the plane is flown somewhere, lands safely, and the hostages survive. There have been times when hostages are killed, however, if you sit and cooperate, you get to live (in theory). Go here and scroll down to read about infamous hijackings:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1578183.stm
Plus, it was announced that there was a bomb on board and I guess everyone believed if they fought, then they would be blown up.
I have read the elaborate gov't conspiracy theories, and the 9/11 terrorist operation was way, way less sophisticated, way more manageable and believable.
You really think the gov't set the whole thing up? And no one, on any level, ever leaked a word? Bill Clinton can't keep a bj he got from an intern under wraps, yet the US gov't can plot and scheme and undertake a mission to fly United Airline jets into buildings, kill 1,000's of US citizens, blame Islamic terrorists, and NOT ONE WORD IS LEAKED?
whatever ::)
Why does everyone not see that there are
actual terrorists blowing up trains in Madrid, buses in London, hotels in Cairo, discos in Bali, beheading Americans in Iraq? It's not a fucking US gov't plot to get votes people, this shit is really happening.
and not just americans are getting beheaded either
QuoteNo one fought back b/c in just about every hijacking in the history of the world (I said just about) the plane is flown somewhere, lands safely, and the hostages survive
is this because usually the motive in hijackings is to use the hostages as leverage to get something achieved/changed, whereas the motive in 9/11 was to use the plane to blow up building targets? the fact that there were passengers on the plane probably just added to the general carnage & shock value. sort of like the kamikaze bombers in WWII
and not just americans are getting beheaded either
QuoteNo one fought back b/c in just about every hijacking in the history of the world (I said just about) the plane is flown somewhere, lands safely, and the hostages survive
is this because usually the motive in hijackings is to use the hostages as leverage to get something achieved/changed, whereas the motive in 9/11 was to use the plane to blow up building targets? the fact that there were passengers on the plane probably just added to the general carnage & shock value. sort of like the kamikaze bombers in WWII
No more Smirnoff in the poland spring bottle. Damn you terroristas! :-/
I see your logic, ratsprayer, but I think Ali's right, this will only make our government less popular. People are already saying (as they always do when there's a terrorist attack or threat) that we shouldn't have gone to war in Iraq. They are blaming the government to an extent for what's happening. Maybe it works differently in the US, but I think this is the last thing Blair would want. Maybe you're right about the airline business not being that important, but tourist is a huge proportion of our ecomony - we don't have much oil any more.
And I think Tracy's right about fighting back. All the advice is to sit tight and do as you are told in a hostage/robbery situation. I suppose that's based on the assumption that perpetrators do not want to kill themselves, so we'll have to reappraise that as well. Anyway, passengers on one out of the 9/11 planes did fight back.
And of course I like you ratty :)
Here's my humble opinion on it all.
The threats are very real. What happened now, what happened on 9/11, it's just there. I do not (will not?) believe in these elaborate complot schemes.
What does happen, is that the government thinks long and hard about how to react to these threats. Mainly, they are pragmatically trying to use the bad news to advance their own political agenda. Maybe things like timing are important, and small, but not insignificant manipulations of "the truth." The tragedy of 9/11was of course cynically manipulated to push a dangerous political agenda. That's just the way politics seem to work.
What is enraging is the complete denial of own guilt or mistakes. These attacks are rooted in history, wherein Western countries have played hypocritical roles.
President Bush willfully ignores this important factor. His latest speech (the attackers "hate freedom," particularly the blameless, politically pure US freedom) was a fine example.
Note: I am in no way trying to downplay the irrational side of these terrorist attacks, the loathsome "religious war" undertone in particular. Go atheism!
Spending Green to go Green
BMW, GM and DaimlerChrysler will spend $1 billion on hybrid transmissions
By RICHARD TRUETT | AUTOMOTIVE NEWS
AutoWeek | Published 08/11/06, 8:33 am et
Going green isn't cheap.
General Motors, BMW and DaimlerChrysler are spending at least $1 billion to develop a pair of "Two Mode" hybrid transmissions that will be used in full-sized SUVs and luxury vehicles, and front-wheel-drive cars.
Andreas Truckenbrodt, DaimlerChrysler's executive director of hybrid powertrains, on Thursday revealed for the first time how much the three automakers are spending on the project.
The $1 billion is not equally divided among the automakers, said Larry Nitz, GM's executive director of hybrid powertrain engineering. That's because the costs for each automaker go up based on the number of vehicles the Two Mode transmission is used in. Each model with the Two Mode transmission must have its own software calibrations, explained Nitz.
BMW, which makes rear-wheel-drive cars, except for the Mini Cooper, is not taking part in the development of the front-wheel-drive version of the Two Mode transmission, but might at a later date.
None of the automakers have ever commented on the cost of the project, nor have they given volume projections. Truckenbrodt said the core development of the transmission's internal workings cost $300 million.
A total of about 500 engineers from the three automakers are working on the transmission under a single roof in an office complex in Troy, Mich., just north of Detroit.
GM is scheduled to launch the Two Mode transmission first, late next summer in the Chevrolet Tahoe SUV. The Two Mode transmission is also slated for the GMC Yukon and Cadillac Escalade SUVs, both due in 2008. Dodge will use the Two Mode in the Durango SUV for the 2009 model year.
BMW and Mercedes-Benz vehicles will get the transmission. But neither automaker will say what cars or SUVs will get the transmission and when they will be marketed.
The Two Mode transmission, when used with cylinder cutoff technology, is expected to increased the fuel economy of a full-sized, V-8 powered SUV by at least 25 percent. That means a 5,000-pound Chevrolet Tahoe could get highway fuel economy of about 26 mpg.
GM will build the rear-wheel Two Mode in a plant near Baltimore and sell it to BMW and DaimlerChrysler. The front-wheel-drive version, which uses many of the same parts as the rear-drive Two Mode, will likely be built by DaimlerChrysler.
I am not exactly sure where this fits in, but it seems to be relevant on so many levels I don't even know where to begin.
QuoteSpending Green to go Green
BMW, GM and DaimlerChrysler will spend $1 billion on hybrid transmissions
I am not exactly sure where this fits in, but it seems to be relevant on so many levels I don't even know where to begin.
Well try to begin. How is this relevant to the UK terrorist plot?
Well, the entire middle east relies on oil sales.
And the big auto companies are on the verge of finding a alternative for the world's number one use of oil.
The big auto companies are supported by the world (US)economy.
The biggest hit to the world economy in recent times was 9/11.
Just a theory on the motivation for 9/11 and other terrorist attacks.
Then again, maybe it was Bush that masterminded the whole thing.
(My spellcheck just asked me if I really meant to put Bush and mastermind in the same sentence.)
I am suprised there hasn't been some mastermind virus to cripple the internet network of American commerce, electrical grids, internet porn sites, etc...
Seems like someone would try to hurt the economy that way.
QuoteI am suprised there hasn't been some mastermind virus to cripple the internet network of American commerce, electrical grids, internet porn sites, etc...
Seems like someone would try to hurt the economy that way.
It must be becuase Al Gore set it up right from the start!
tracy... if something were to happen to internet porn, there would be riots and mutiny in the streets. that would NEVER happen. however, i believe that worker productivity would soar to levels unheard of...
as for the fighting back or not, i took a sexual-assualt survival thing a while back and the instructor told us that no matter what, under no circumstances should you get into a car or let yourself be transported anywhere. it's better to fight back and risk getting hurt than to be dragged away as your chances of surviving an attack become smaller...
and believe me, i hate this pebble of cynicism that makes me wonder about conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11. i used to be the world's biggest optimist, most pollyanna, very hopeful and trusting in the goodness of people and now i just don't know... it really hurts.
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as for the fighting back or not, i took a sexual-assualt survival thing a while back and the instructor told us that no matter what, under no circumstances should you get into a car or let yourself be transported anywhere. it's better to fight back and risk getting hurt than to be dragged away as your chances of surviving an attack become smaller...
and believe me, i hate this pebble of cynicism that makes me wonder about conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11. i used to be the world's biggest optimist, most pollyanna, very hopeful and trusting in the goodness of people and now i just don't know... it really hurts.
What did your instructor say you should do if a person approaches you on the streets and says they have a bomb strapped to their chest and if you do not get in the car with them, then they will blow both of you up? I am guessing you get in the car and take your chances, right?
pre-9/11, the standard procedure for encountering terrorists who have just slashed someone's throat and killed the pilots and stated that they have a bomb is to just remain in your seat.
Now today, they would be bum rushed b/c we now know what could happen. Pre 9/11, we were not thinking to stop the terrorist before they fly the plane into a building. That had not happened before.
If you're weighing your pebble of conspiracy on the fact that the passengers didn't fight back, then consider that the 4th plane that went down in Pennsylvania only went down b/c the passengers found out where they were being flown and they decided to take the plane back.
It makes sense, a lot more sense than the big bad government planning the whole thing out to look like terrorism, don't you think?
(tracy? check yer pm's bro?)
found this...
The British are feeling the pinch in relation to recent bombings and
Security threats and have raised their security level from "Miffed" to
"Peeved." Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to
"Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross."
Londoners have not been "A Bit Cross" since the blitz in 1940 when tea
supplies all but ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorized from
"Tiresome" to a "Bloody Nuisance." The last time the British issued a
"Bloody Nuisance" warning level was during the great fire of 1666.
Also, the French government announced yesterday that it has raised its
terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide." The only two higher levels in
France are "Surrender" and "Collaborate." The rise was precipitated by a
recent fire that destroyed France's white flag factory, effectively
paralyzing the country's military capability.
It's not only the English and French that are on a heightened level of
alert. Italy has increased the alert level from "Shout Loudly and Excitedly"
to "Elaborate Military Posturing." Two more levels remain: "Ineffective
Combat Operations" and "Change Sides."
The Germans also increased their alert state from "Disdainful Arrogance" to
"Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs." They also have two higher
levels: "Invade a Neighbour" and "Lose."
Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual, and the only
threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels.
Quotefound this...
Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual, and the only
threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels.
Ouch, they figured us out finally :D
Quotefound this...
The British are feeling the pinch in relation to recent bombings and
Security threats and have raised their security level from "Miffed" to
"Peeved." Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to
"Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross."
Londoners have not been "A Bit Cross" since the blitz in 1940 when tea
supplies all but ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorized from
"Tiresome" to a "Bloody Nuisance." The last time the British issued a
"Bloody Nuisance" warning level was during the great fire of 1666.
Also, the French government announced yesterday that it has raised its
terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide." The only two higher levels in
France are "Surrender" and "Collaborate." The rise was precipitated by a
recent fire that destroyed France's white flag factory, effectively
paralyzing the country's military capability.
It's not only the English and French that are on a heightened level of
alert. Italy has increased the alert level from "Shout Loudly and Excitedly"
to "Elaborate Military Posturing." Two more levels remain: "Ineffective
Combat Operations" and "Change Sides."
The Germans also increased their alert state from "Disdainful Arrogance" to
"Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs." They also have two higher
levels: "Invade a Neighbour" and "Lose."
Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual, and the only
threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels.
This is supposed to be funny, right?
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This is supposed to be funny, right?
in a close-minded North American way, yes it's supposed to be funny.
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in a close-minded North American way, yes it's supposed to be funny.
That's why
I found it to be hilarious.
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in a close-minded North American way, yes it's supposed to be funny.
Thought so.
Greggy,
I can't even imagine how it feels having so much going on in your backyard the way you folks have recently. I thank God that UK authorities did as good a job thwarting this last bit of potential nastiness as they did. God bless and stay safe--to all the UKers here.
QuoteGreggy,
I can't even imagine how it feels having so much going on in your backyard the way you folks have recently. I thank God that UK authorities did as good a job thwarting this last bit of potential nastiness as they did. God bless and stay safe--to all the UKers here.
Appreciated bro'.