I know, it's still football season, but the ESPN/Coaches Poll came out today with the Heels on top. I can't wait any longer to start this thread and to change my avatar until we cut the nets down in San Antonio!!!!!!!
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/usatpoll.htm
1. North Carolina (31-7)
Points: 739 (10 first-place votes). Final 2006-07 rank: 5 (tie). Outlook: Fs Brandan Wright and Reyshawn Terry have departed, but a wealth of talent returns after a trip to the Elite Eight. All-American Tyler Hansbrough teams with Ty Lawson and Wayne Ellington to form a solid nucleus as the Heels try to rise to the top of the Atlantic Coast Conference. Opens: Nov. 14 vs. Davidson at Charlotte (ESPN, 7).
2. UCLA (30-6)
Points: 734 (12). Final 2006-07 rank: 3. Outlook: After consecutive trips to the Final Four, the Bruins appear primed for another strong season behind G Darren Collison, wing Josh Shipp and Fs Luc Richard Mbah a Moute and Alfred Aboya. Freshman Kevin Love could be an immediate star. Opens: Nov. 9 vs. Portland State.
3. Memphis (33-4)
Points: 731 (8). Final 2006-07 rank: 7. Outlook: One of the top contenders for the national title. The talented Tigers will return an experienced group that includes Gs Chris Douglas-Roberts, Antonio Anderson and Willie Kemp and Fs Joey Dorsey and Robert Dozier. Look for freshman G Derrick Rose to make an immediate splash. Opens: Nov. 5 vs. Tennessee-Martin in 2K Sports Classic (ESPNU, 7).
4. Kansas (33-5)
Points: 669 (1). Final 2006-07 rank: 5 (tie). Outlook: The Jayhawks should have a big year in the Big 12 behind Gs Brandon Rush, Mario Chalmers and Sherron Collins and F Darrell Arthur. Balance and depth could take them far. Opens: Nov. 9 vs. Louisiana-Monroe.
5. Georgetown (30-7)
Points: 625. Final 2006-07 rank: 4. Outlook: Star F Jeff Green left early for the NBA, but C Roy Hibbert decided to return for another run at Big East honors and the Final Four. He will be joined by Fs Patrick Ewing Jr. and DaJuan Summers and Gs Jessie Sapp and Jonathan Wallace. Opens: Nov. 10 vs. William & Mary.
6. Louisville (24-10)
Points: 620. Final 2006-07 rank: 20. Outlook: This might be the best team in the Big East, and the Cardinals could be set up for a deep tournament run behind G Terrence Williams and Edgar Sosa, Fs Derrick Caracter and Juan Palacios and C David Padgett. Opens: Nov. 17 vs. Hartford.
7. Tennessee (24-11)
Points: 598. Final 2006-07 rank: 18. Outlook: The experienced Volunteers should be a force in the Southeastern Conference. They are solid in the backcourt behind Chris Lofton, JaJuan Smith and Ramar Smith. F Wayne Chism also returns, although coach Bruce Pearl indefinitely suspended F Duke Crews in late September. Opens: Nov. 9 vs. Temple.
8. Michigan State (23-12)
Points: 503. Final 2006-07 rank: not ranked. Outlook: Spartans should be major contenders for Big Ten honors behind Gs Drew Neitzel and Travis Walton, Fs Raymar Morgan and Matquise Gray and Cs Goran Suton and Idong Ibek. Opens: Nov. 13 vs. Chicago State in CBE Classic (ESPNU, 7).
9. Indiana (21-11)
Points: 479. Final 2006-07 rank: not ranked. Outlook: The Hoosiers are expected to take another step up in coach Kelvin Sampson's second season. F D.J. White is one of the best in the nation at his position, and G Armon Bassett should play a key role. Well-regarded recruiting class includes blue-chip G Eric Gordon. Opens: Nov. 12 vs. Chattanooga.
10. Washington State (26-8)
Points: 464. Final 2006-07 rank: 17. Outlook: The Cougars have been growing into a Pacific-10 power and should be right in the mix this year with an experienced cast that includes Gs Derrick Low and Kyle Weaver and Fs Daven Harmeling and Robbie Cowgill. Opens: Nov. 9 vs. Eastern Washington.
11. Duke (22-11)
Points: 390. Final 2006-07 rank: not ranked. Outlook: Blue Devils are hoping for a bounce-back year in the ACC behind Gs DeMarcus Nelson, Gerald Henderson, Jon Scheyer. and Greg Paulus and Fs Lance Thomas and David McClure. Highly regarded recruiting class includes F Kyle Singler.. Opens: Nov. 9 vs. North Carolina Central.
12. Marquette (24-10)
Points: 381. Final 2006-07 rank: not ranked. Outlook: The Golden Eagles will field a veteran team that could do serious damage in the Big East. All-conference G Dominic James returns with backcourt mates Jerel. McNeal and Wesley Matthews. Fs Ousmane Barro.. and Dan Fitzgerald are also back. Opens: Nov. 10 vs. IUPUI.
13. Oregon (29-8)
Points: 360. Final 2006-07 rank: 8. Outlook: Standout G Aaron Brooks has moved on, but after a trip to Elite Eight, the Ducks welcome back long-distance shooting specialist Tajuan Porter, fellow Gs Malik Hairston and Bryce Taylor and F Maarty Leunen... Opens: Nov. 10 vs. Pepperdine in World Vision Invitational.
14. (tie) Gonzaga (23-11)
Points: 252. Final 2006-07 rank: not ranked. Outlook: Sean Mallon and Derek Raivio are gone, but the Bulldogs should again be the class of the West Coast Conference with the return of F Josh Heytvelt and Gs Matt Bouldin and Jeremy Pargo. Opens: Nov. 11 vs. Montana.
14. (tie) Texas A&M (27-7)
Points: 252. Final 2006-07 rank: 9. Outlook: With coach Billy Gillispie. and standout G Acie. Law having moved on, the Aggies turn to former Wichita State coach Mark Turgeon. He welcomes back F Joseph Jones and sharpshooting wing Josh Carter as the team eyes the top of the Big 12. Opens: Nov. 9 vs. McNeese State.
16. Texas (25-10)
Points: 216. Final 2006-07 rank: 16. Outlook: Point guard D.J. Augustin has been named Big 12 preseason player of the year by league coaches, and the Longhorns will probably go as far as he takes them. Horns also return Gs A.J. Abrams and Justin Mason, wing Damion James and post Connor Atchley. Opens: Nov. 12 vs. Texas-San Antonio.
17. Arizona (20-11)
Points: 205. Final 2006-07 rank: not ranked. Outlook: F Chase Budinger and G Jawann McClellan are back to help lead the Wildcats, who will also feature F Jordan Hill and Gs Daniel Dillon and Nic. Wise in an attempt to contend in a strong Pacific-10. Opens: Nov. 13 vs. Northern Arizona.
18. Southern California (25-12)
Points: 189. Final 2006-07 rank: 15. Outlook: After a Sweet 16 trip a year ago, the Trojans return F Taj Gibson and Gs Daniel Hackett and Dwight Lewis. All eyes will be on freshman O.J. Mayo, one of the nation's top recruits. Opens: Nov. 10 vs. Mercer.
19. Arkansas (21-14)
Points: 173. Final 2006-07 rank: not ranked. Outlook: New coach John Pelphrey is greeted by plenty of talent and experience from a team that made the NCAAs, including Gs Patrick Beverley and Gary Ervin, wing Sonny Weems and Fs Charles Thomas and Darian Townes. Opens: Nov. 9 vs. Wofford.
20. Pittsburgh (29-8)
Points: 160. Final 2006-07 rank: 10. Outlook: C Aaron Gray will be missed, but Fs Sam Young and Mike Cook and Gs Levance Fields and Ronald Ramon return and will likely step into bigger roles as the Panthers attempt another run to the NCAAs. Opens: Nov. 9 vs. Houston Baptist in Hispanic College Fund Challenge.
21. Stanford (18-13)
Points: 158. Final 2006-07 rank: not ranked. Outlook: Cardinal will return a ton of experience from the team that made the NCAAs last year, including Fs Lawrence Hill and Fred Washington, C Robin Lopez and Gs Mitch Johnson and Anthony Goods. Second-leading scorer Brook Lopez, a 7-footer, has been suspended indefinitely for violating team rules. Opens: Nov. 9 vs. Harvard in Basketball Travelers Classic.
22. Kentucky (22-12)
Points: 155. Final 2006-07 rank: not ranked. Outlook: New coach Billy Gillispie. steps into the spotlight and will count on Gs Ramel Bradley, Joe Crawford, Derrick Jasper and Jodie Meeks along with freshman F Patrick Patterson, who could have a major impact right away. Opens: Nov. 7 vs. Central Arkansas in 2K Sports Classic (ESPNU, 7).
23. Southern Illinois (29-7)
Points: 137. Final 2006-07 rank: 11 (tie). Outlook: One of the best defensive teams in the nation returns F Randal. Falker, the Missouri Valley Conference defensive player of the year, from a Sweet 16 team, along with F Matt Shaw and point guard Bryan Mullins. Opens: Nov. 17 vs. Northern Illinois
24. North Carolina State (20-16)
Points: 119. Final 2006-07 rank: not ranked. Outlook: The Wolfpack are starting to be heard from again in the ACC, and the progression should continue with Fs Brandon Costner, Gavin Grant and Ben McCauley and G Courtney Fells. Freshman F J.J. Hickson could help out right away. Opens: Nov. 15 vs. William & Mary.
25. Villanova (22-11)
Points: 111. Final 2006-07 rank: not ranked. Outlook: Wildcats don't have loads of experience, but they do have standout G Scottie Reynolds, who can make up for that. F Shane Clark needs to stay healthy. Freshman G Corey Fisher is expected to make an immediate impact. Opens: Nov. 9 vs. Stony Brook.
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GO CARDS!!!
(Boilermakers and Buckeyes!)
I can almost hear the shoes squeeking! Here's hoping the college hoops season gets all mixed up like football is this year. I am so tired of seeing the NC's (No offense Triple), the Dukes, The KU's. But I know it's not bloody likely to change.
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QuoteI can almost hear the shoes squeeking! Here's hoping the college hoops season gets all mixed up like football is this year. I am so tired of seeing the NC's (No offense Triple
None taken.
But if you look at the last 2 seasons, it's been pretty mixed up as far as the final four goes. The 'traditional' schools have not made it to the final four at all (except for UCLA).
Personally, I'll take mix-ups all day as long as UNC comes out on top. But there is a LOT of talent in the top 25 this year (i.e. Tennessee, Memphis, Louisville, Pitt) which could lead to a shake-up in the tournament. I'm just ready for the season to start.
Well, the exhibitions have started, and I'm pretty stoked that the heels beat shaw (?) 126-62...or something like that.
Anyone else catch their teams this weekend?
Regular season games kick off in a week too. BRING ON THE MADNESS!!!!!
Gardner-Webb- 84
Kentucky- 68
"Yes, Kentucky's 84-68 loss to Gardner-Webb last night had to be among the most stunning, most embarrassing, most downright jaw-dropping in the history of Rupp Arena.
The Cats, 251/2-point favorites, were never really in the game, from falling behind 14-0, to never drawing closer than eight points in the second half. 'Life goes on,' said new head coach Billy Gillispie."
Tubby Smith's reaction?
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As a life-long Maryland fan (My dad was a graduate, we had season tickets, and went to every game including ACC and NCAA tourneys from the time I was 4 until we were banished to Florida when I was in 8th grade. I graduated from the University of West Florida and we didn't even have men's basketball until my senior year, so my Maryland allegiance never waned.), I'll tread lightly in this thread all year. We're middle of the pack ACC at best this year (2010 NCAA champs though).
But Gardner Webb!? Somebody's belly-laughing in Minnesota this morning.
What an upset. Didn't Ohio State and Michigan State lose opening exhibitions? Hm...
QuoteWhat an upset. Didn't Ohio State and Michigan State lose opening exhibitions? Hm...
Yes, I posted my insults in the football thread. Tracy said it didn't matter, I said it did, he said I'm stupid for posting basketball thoughts in the football thread, I agreed, the Big 10 still sucks.
QuoteAs a life-long Maryland fan (My dad was a graduate, we had season tickets, and went to every game including ACC and NCAA tourneys from the time I was 4 until we were banished to Florida when I was in 8th grade.
Remember Herman Veal? Went to my high school, Callaway, Jackson, Miss.
I also had the honor of watching one of my all-time favorite players Steve Blake, when Maryland came to Nashville in the 2002 NCAA Tourney and Nichols hit a jumper at the buzzer to beat Xavier. More on Blake, I heard his dad was afraid to fly, so he freakin' drove to every one of Steve's home games at UM, all 4 years. And where did his dad drive from? Miami, Florida! That's a little over 1,100 miles. My dad couldn't get off his drunk ass and drive
2 miles to watch me play basketball or baseball.
Not only do I remember Herman Veal, I actually have his autograph on a ball along with the rest of the members of one of my favorite Maryland eary 80's teams (Buck Williams, Albert King, Ernie Graham, Dutch Morely, etc...) He was a freshman on that team and my dad got me the ball. It was arguably Lefty's best Maryland team (allthough the '74 team that lost to NC State in the greatest game in NCAA history my beg to differ).
Herman was a bridge player for us Maryland freaks. He connnected that great team to the Len Bias years and he was a really good player. It's a shame, but he's probably best remembered for being charged (never convicted, I think the charges were actually dropped) with some sexual escapades at Maryland and the asshole Duke fans responding by throwing inflated condoms and such at him during a game - how intellectual! Those wacky Duke fans are sooooo clever.
Steve Blake is in my and alot of other Maryland fan's top 5 favorite players list and he's a vary underrated pro, there's a reason the Nuggets are limping out of the gate. My top 5:
1. Len Bias (Best player I've ever seen, damn shame).
2. Juan and Lonny (Can't seperate the 2, finally brought us the prize).
3. Buck Williams (Is he really not in the Hall of Fame?)
4. Steve Blake (Yes, his dad was crazy, in a good way).
5. Keith Booth (He was 6'5" and basically played center, tough mother fucker).
Bruce Pearl is GROSSS! >:(
And Derrick Rose is killin me already. :'(
-Illini Fan
The Big 10 doesn't suck in bball...I'm an MSU grad (I'm in the picture they sell with the first shot ever made in a game in Breslin Arena) and love me some Izzo! Rough start so far but I'm not too worried about exhibition games for obvious reasons. One thing about Izzo's teams is that they always get better through the season.
My neighbor is a UM grad and flies a stupid flag when they win in football. He won't make the same deal with bball...wonder why.
QuoteThe Big 10 doesn't suck in bball...I'm an MSU grad (I'm in the picture they sell with the first shot ever made in a game in Breslin Arena) and love me some Izzo! Rough start so far but I'm not too worried about exhibition games for obvious reasons. One thing about Izzo's teams is that they always get better through the season.
I'm a big fan of Drew Neitzel
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He was a beast last year, so far he's struggling with his shot apparently. We definitely need him.
You from Michigan originally or something?
QuoteHe was a beast last year, so far he's struggling with his shot apparently. We definitely need him.
You from Michigan originally or something?
no, I just identify with the white point guard...
Plus, I like watching Izzo coach.
NCAA basketball rules (IMO)
QuoteQuoteHe was a beast last year, so far he's struggling with his shot apparently. We definitely need him.
You from Michigan originally or something?
no, I just identify with the white point guard...
Plus, I like watching Izzo coach.
NCAA basketball rules (IMO)
Hmmmmm...
QuoteQuoteQuoteHe was a beast last year, so far he's struggling with his shot apparently. We definitely need him.
You from Michigan originally or something?
no, I just identify with the white point guard...
Plus, I like watching Izzo coach.
NCAA basketball rules (IMO)
Hmmmmm...
oh, and I'm a racist. If it was up to me, it'd be 3-on-3 half court ball, all white players, none of them over 5'11" and all games would be played below the Mason-Dixon line.
I like to play full court but I like when they play below my Mason-Dixon Line...
If they can market women's basketball then an all-white is definitely called for. not because i'm a racist but because I think it would make a great point about "women's" basketball.
I'm off topic, I know.
Go Buckeyes (despite the rough start) Boilermakers, Cards, and Blue Devils (that's right, GGG, I like Duke!)
You mean b/c of the Imus remarks? Or am I missing something? I miss watching Imus in the Morning rip everyone, including himself.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHe was a beast last year, so far he's struggling with his shot apparently. We definitely need him.
You from Michigan originally or something?
no, I just identify with the white point guard...
Plus, I like watching Izzo coach.
NCAA basketball rules (IMO)
Hmmmmm...
oh, and I'm a racist. If it was up to me, it'd be 3-on-3 half court ball, all white players, none of them over 5'11" and all games would be played below the Mason-Dixon line.
Finally a confession. Do you prefer the plantation owning traditional Colonel or the animated, break-dancing one?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHe was a beast last year, so far he's struggling with his shot apparently. We definitely need him.
You from Michigan originally or something?
no, I just identify with the white point guard...
Plus, I like watching Izzo coach.
NCAA basketball rules (IMO)
Hmmmmm...
oh, and I'm a racist. If it was up to me, it'd be 3-on-3 half court ball, all white players, none of them over 5'11" and all games would be played below the Mason-Dixon line.
Finally a confession. Do you prefer the plantation owning traditional Colonel or the animated, break-dancing one?
I prefer the
original mascot: The Flood
QuoteYou mean b/c of the Imus remarks? Or am I missing something?
bowl and I were in 'Nam together and this black guy pulled me out of a fox hole right before a missle hit. I lost a bet with him later that month, in Bien Hoa, and so let's just say I had to do some tricks with rice, a razor blade, a young donkey named Duc Tho, and Tang. So, bowl thinks I'm some sort of a racist...
it's complicated, but it's harmless.
QuoteQuoteYou mean b/c of the Imus remarks? Or am I missing something?
bowl and I were in 'Nam together and this black guy pulled me out of a fox hole right before a missle hit. I lost a bet with him later that month, in Bien Hoa, and so let's just say I had to do some tricks with rice, a razor blade, a young donkey named Duc Tho, and Tang. So, bowl thinks I'm some sort of a racist...
it's complicated, but it's harmless.
actually they're both closet racists who like to cover up this hate by pointing fingers at other people. What this has to do with college athletics, no one will ever know.
How about the rankings for the top 170?
http://collegebasketball.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1146&CID=735518
171-340?
http://collegebasketball.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1146&CID=735519
I know I may be a little opiniated, but I really think Ole Miss got the shaft at being ranked #83...
We're easily in the top 70.
USC lost to Mercer!! O.J. Mayo is OVERRATED big time IMO. But, it's just one game, we'll see how it goes.
And Georgetown had a little trouble getting their first win...it could be a shakey season all around.
QuoteUSC lost to Mercer!! O.J. Mayo is OVERRATED big time IMO.
Oops. I looked at the wrong stats in the postgame box score. O.J. Mayo actually had a 32 point game. I take back the above statement.
aj mayo is from my neck of the woods. I've been hearing about him since he was in 7th grade. however I haven't like all the things I've heard, especially about his personality. it'll be interesting to see how his career at USC and beyond works out.
QuoteQuoteQuoteYou mean b/c of the Imus remarks? Or am I missing something?
bowl and I were in 'Nam together and this black guy pulled me out of a fox hole right before a missle hit. I lost a bet with him later that month, in Bien Hoa, and so let's just say I had to do some tricks with rice, a razor blade, a young donkey named Duc Tho, and Tang. So, bowl thinks I'm some sort of a racist...
it's complicated, but it's harmless.
actually they're both closet racists who like to cover up this hate by pointing fingers at other people. What this has to do with college athletics, no one will ever know.
I love everyone. Except eskimos. Now about Duc Tho...
Carolina tips off in a half hour!!!!!! I CAN'T WAIT. Bring it on Psycho T.
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Over-rated...
let's go Davidson!
Getting nervous Triple G?
QuoteGetting nervous Triple G?
::Heart starts beating again::
Honestly I knew this would be a true test for a season opener. We had moments of brilliance, but overall Davidson played awesome defense which took us down a notch. Seriously, I was freaking out the first 10 minutes of the 2nd half when we had like 2 points in 8 minutes or something ridiculous. I'm not very shocked though...I thought we would've had a 10-12 point win, but when you play a NCAA tourney team with all 5 starters back, there are no surprises when they give you a run up until the final seconds.
I'm just glad this one is over. I think it'll be valuable experience for everyone on this team, give them some perspective, and let them learn and (hopefully) blow out the next couple of teams. Big probs to Davidson again, but I'm just glad I'll be able to go to sleep tonight. 8-)
Quotelet's go Davidson!
Fine. I'm sorry I rooted against Ohio State. ;)
If you haven't since Derrick Rose for Memphis you need to check this freshman out! He's the real deal.
I saw him play a few games and he is amazing. He'll be one and done I'm sure, but Memphis is a big threat for the national title this year for sure.
Anyone checking out the UCLA vs. Michigan State game tonight?
It'll be interesting to finally see Kevin Love play some good competition.
QuoteAnyone checking out the UCLA vs. Michigan State game tonight?
It'll be interesting to finally see Kevin Love play some good competition.
Just waiting to see my son play.
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Ahhhhh, my team is one good offensive big man away...damn! We led the entire game until the last minute, such a pisser!
Anyone watching the ACC/Big 10 Challenge?
Georgia Tech and Indiana is coming down to the wire...
...and of course UNC vs. OSU tomorrow night 8-)
QuoteAnyone watching the ACC/Big 10 Challenge?
Georgia Tech and Indiana is coming down to the wire...
...and of course UNC vs. OSU tomorrow night 8-)
I'm in.
Don't forget MSU/NC State...another chance for one of our bigs to step up to the plate.
QuoteAnyone watching the ACC/Big 10 Challenge?
Georgia Tech and Indiana is coming down to the wire...
...and of course UNC vs. OSU tomorrow night 8-)
I watch every year because I love college hoops, but can we finally make this a real challenge and replace the Big Ten with say the Big Sky or the WAC? Yet another route is underway, and I'm sorry Big Ten but the excuses are a tad thin after 9 years. The numbers prior to this years challange:
ACC 8 - Big Ten 0 overall.
ACC 53 - Big Ten 28 every game.
The only Big Ten team with a winning record in the challange is Michigan State at 4 and 3 and that could change tonight. How they consistently get many more bids than the ACC (8 to 4 last year) is one of the world's great mysteries.
Big Ten. Overrated. Every Sport. Every Year.
The ACC is usually better at the beginning of the year but the Big Ten better at the end.
For instance...Duke, they're very good right now but they won't be any better at the end of the year. Michigan State, pretty good right now but will most likely be better at the end of the year.
Plus I think the Big Ten plays a much different style that sometimes gets them in trouble with the ACC officials. Big Ten teams tend to play more physical and better team defense, teams like N. Carolina don't seem to play much defense at all instead they rely on the athletes they recruit. Case in point, Michigan State had no biz seriously challenging N. Carolina in last year's tournament. In the end, we were not deep enough to keep up with Carolina's horses in the last few mins. Although if Idong Ibok doesn't dislocate his elbow it might have been more interesting. But then I'm not a fan of Roy Williams...I'm always shocked how many times they get beat on the back door play.
That being said, I'm really looking forward to seeing how far MSU can go this year. We're young but talented but our biggest weakness is how one-dimensional our bigs are. Put them all together and we have one incredible player...if only.
Ahhhh, the excuses. The Big Ten plays better at the end of the year because they get teams into the tourney at 2 to 1 ratio and the ACC schedule is fucking BRUTAL. Do the ACC official officiate every game of the "challenge"? If by "team defense" you mean boring and by "athletes" you mean good basketball, then we agree. The SWAC would do just as well.
No excuse just my opinion. We're typically not as good at the beginning of the year but we make great progress. Our schedule is just as brutal and sometimes more so, as a matter of fact we beat the hell out of each other for months instead of just running up and down the floor shooting. We play defense and rebound which wins championships.
No, ACC officials don't officiate every game...and the ACC doesn't win every game either. Like I said, sometimes I think we get in trouble because of the officiating. Tyler Hansbrough doesn't get those calls in the Big Ten and his effectiveness goes way down. He's good player but not nearly as good as Dickie V. would like to think.
By team defense I don't mean boring, I mean everyone working together to play defense with a team concept. And no, good athletes doesn't necessarily mean good basketball. But great coaching turns those athletes into championships consistently. Great coaching also takes teams with less athletic ability and gets more out of them, especially by using team concepts.
Dean Smith had some of the most tremendous athletes ever, even Michael Jordan...two championships, great job coach.
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Plus I think the Big Ten plays a much different style that sometimes gets them in trouble with the ACC officials.
Once you are wearing a uniform that isn't Duke or North Carolina, then you're playing a style of basketball that officals don't like...
I cannot stand these big time college programs that are run like NBA teams (except the small fact that the players are not paid (well, at least not over the table)). You got these million dollar deals with Nike and whoever and all the money goes to the coaches and university but the players (90% of them who will never see the NBA) never see a dime, but they
act like professional atheletes. Hate it.
That's why March Maddness is loved by everyone more than the BCS sham. David gets his chance to beat Goliath. David, with his "second rate" players and "second rate" facilities, gets to go against the big boys and it's settled on the court, not by some rich pigs who control the bowl games (BCS).
One of my all time favorite March Maddness moments (and I have watched ever final since 1976 when Indiana beat Michigan to complete an undefeated year) was this past tourney when Fayetteville, North Carolina's own Eric Maynor rose up for VCU to beat Duke in the first round. I
love the fact that Maynor grew up in the backyard of all those ACC powerhouse teams and they all said he wasn't good enough, while they turned their eyes and wallets to talent all across the globe. He got the chance to show up some folks and he did. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.
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Just do it on the court. Win all 5 games tonight and sweep all 22 games over the next 2 years and you'll almost be even in the "challange". Remind me again of how many great current coaches in the Big Ten have actually won championships. Let's see, there's Izzo.................................
My Spartans have done fairly well in the "challenge"...at least I think so but then again I don't really care. It's November, not March.
I'd say the ACC has some very good coaches, some up and comers and a couple great ones. Coach K has obviously proven himself although I don't care for them and their attitude anymore. Gary Williams is a great coach in my opinion although maybe not the best recruiter. He's done great things with lesser talent. Roy Williams is over-rated in my opinion although a very good recruiter. Even Dickie V mentioned the other night about them needing or wanting to commit to really playing team defense. And he's one of the biggest ACC butt-boys out there.
Big Ten...Izzo has proven himself as a great coach. One National Championship but many final fours. I think Weber is very good, Ryan is very good, Matta is one hell of a recruiter but I'm not sold on his coaching. Sampson is a crook, not impressed. Be interesting to see what Tubby does at Minnesota, maybe he can find an offense there.
Year in and out I think the ACC has had better overall players. Maybe because it's easier to recruit in the South? Minnesota and Wisconsin have to be hard sells...even E. Lansing (great town).
Both conferences have won 10 national championships.
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Year in and out I think the ACC has had better overall players. Maybe because it's easier to recruit in the South?
Intersting theory. If you look at the rosters from the 2 conferences, you'll see that the Big 10 is mostly represented from the home state of the team, whereas the ACC recruits mostly from out of state (and not neccessarily from the south). Is that b/c the ACC is a basketball conference? Probably. How do you think Coach K or Roy Williams would do if they coached Wisconsin with 11 players
from Wisconsin? Or how would Izzo do at Duke where he could get just about any player he wanted? Is it the coach or the program? All I know is that the ACC has more talent b/c they can draw from a larger pool, has more TV exposure, etc...
Here's the breakdown of home state players vs out of state players. (fun facts!)
ACC Home State Numbers North Carolina- 8
WF-7
Maryland- 6
FSU- 5
VT- 4
GT- 4
Clemson- 4
UM- 3
UVa- 3 (3 from Africa also)
NC State- 2
BC- 1
Duke- 0 (Duke has 1 player from the south)
BIG 10 Home State NumbersIllini- 12
Minn- 11
Wis- 11
MSU- 10
UM- 10
OSU- 9
Purdue- 8
NW- 7
Indiana- 6
PSU- 6
Iowa- 1 (it is Iowa afterall)
I think this is why everyone hates Duke so much. They're in your "backyard" but they won't let you play in it (or even invite you to play in it). They're the Notre Dame of basketball; ND has 103 players on their football roster and 9 (nine) are from Indiana.
I'd say given the talent pool, the Big Ten does better with what they have.
It's a fact!
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QuoteGary Williams is a great coach in my opinion although maybe not the best recruiter. He's done great things with lesser talent.
I now love you more than you'll ever know. You might think that this Big 10/ACC debate would inspire me to say something nice about Dook - you'd be wrong. Top 5 hated Dook players ever:
1. Bobby Hurley
2. Jayson Williams
3. Mike Gminski
4. Christian Laettner
5. Alla Abdelnaby
Alla Abdelnaby...that's funny.
Damn...I've been at work all day and have missed the Dook bashing. I hate Dook so much...SO MUCH, but I have to admit that they looked very good last night. Or was it that Wisconsin was awful? Also, WHY ISN'T DOOK PLAYING ANY TRUE ROAD GAMES UNTIL MID-JANUARY (against Temple??!?!) They always do this, and it pisses me off. But, it's probably why they've done so poorly in the Tourney the last 6 years.
As far as the Big10/ACC recruiting talk goes, though, I wouldn't give too much more of an advantage to the ACC as the Big 10(or anyone else for that matter).
I think tradition rich schools such as UCLA, Carolina, Kentucky etc. HAD higher odds of landing recruits up until a few years ago. Today the best players (overall) want a ticket to the NBA more than anything, which means they'll be happy to play at any college that will give them exposure and, most importantly, playing time. After all, one of the best players in the nation plays for Kansas State...Michael Beasley.
To me, it seems more challenging for the big schools to land deep talent because, after all, why would a very talented point guard want to compete for the starting point guard spot against another very talented point guard? "If I'm wanting to go to the NBA after one or two years, why don't I just play at (for example) Iowa? I'll get huge playing time in the spotlight, and won't have to be overshadowed by other talent at the powerhouse schools."
Just a thought.
QuoteRoy Williams is over-rated in my opinion although a very good recruiter.
;D ;D ;D
Did I miss something? 524 wins (not to mention hitting that 500th win faster than any other NCAA coach in history) in 19 seasons, a win percentage that is fourth-best in history, a national championship, 11 regular-season conference titles, five Final Fours, 16 first-round draft picks and that is over-rated?
I think Tom Izzo IS a very great coach, and runs a hell of a basketball program...but he still falls over 200 wins short of Roy, 1 less final four appearance and so forth.
But, If you have a valid argument for Roy Williams being overrated, I'd love to hear it. ::)
I think everyone in this thread knows I'm a big ten fan but it's not really a basketball conference. We have some talent but when basketball season comes around I definitely end up watching more ACC games than Big Ten. Don't get me wrong, I love OSU and Purdue but the ACC is where the big boys come to play.
I'm a pretty big Duke fan. They have a great winning tradition. They run a clean program. They have one of the most upstanding coaches in all of sports. They have the best, most intelligent and prepared fans in country and most of the time the same holds true for their players. Not to mention the academics at Duke. Yeah, I can see why a UNC fan might hate them.
I was surprised to see Laettner so far down you're list, BoS. Every list of hated players I've seen put him #1, but then again I live in Kentucky. :)
there's only one thing worse than a Duke fan, that's a bandwagon Duke fan. I can understand if you went to school there, but how anyone can root for those spoiled brats is beyond me. Let me see, I think I'll pick a team that's always in the NCAA tourney and root for them! Yeah, that's it!
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Laettner never really had any Terp-killing moments, the top 3 on my list were notorious Terp-killers, and Alla represents the smug superiority that us low-class Maryland fans hate so much. JJ Redick and Danny Ferry are honorable mentions.
Danny Ferry really should be on my list for personal reasons. He went to DeMatha in Maryland and was friends with my cousin who played in the Capital Classic high-school all-star game and played small college ball in NC. Mother-fucker was at my house and dunked on my rim in the back yard (we had a full-court in my back yard when I lived in Maryland) Daryl Dawkins style and broke it. Made me cry.
I hate you Danny Ferry!
Quotethere's only one thing worse than a Duke fan, that's a bandwagon Duke fan. I can understand if you went to school there, but how anyone can root for those spoiled brats is beyond me.
I think it's because for the past 18 years I have been living in Kentucky and for all my 27 years I have been rooting against UK. I fell in love with them when Laettner ripped their hearts out in that Elite 8 game (still one of the best games I've ever seen). I like watching ACC ball but I like seeing Duke clean the floor with everyone within it. Basically Duke beats all the people I don't like and I love them for that.
...and all that other stuff I said.
Quotethere's only one thing worse than a Duke fan, that's a bandwagon Duke fan. I can understand if you went to school there, but how anyone can root for those spoiled brats is beyond me. Let me see, I think I'll pick a team that's always in the NCAA tourney and root for them! Yeah, that's it!
please
Thank you Tracy.
I hate you aMD ;)
QuoteQuotethere's only one thing worse than a Duke fan, that's a bandwagon Duke fan. I can understand if you went to school there, but how anyone can root for those spoiled brats is beyond me. Let me see, I think I'll pick a team that's always in the NCAA tourney and root for them! Yeah, that's it!
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Thank you Tracy.
I hate you aMD ;)
I bet you do. You probably hate me for the same reason you hate duke. Jealousy.
;)
QuoteQuoteRoy Williams is over-rated in my opinion although a very good recruiter.
;D ;D ;D
Did I miss something? 524 wins (not to mention hitting that 500th win faster than any other NCAA coach in history) in 19 seasons, a win percentage that is fourth-best in history, a national championship, 11 regular-season conference titles, five Final Fours, 16 first-round draft picks and that is over-rated?
I think Tom Izzo IS a very great coach, and runs a hell of a basketball program...but he still falls over 200 wins short of Roy, 1 less final four appearance and so forth.
But, If you have a valid argument for Roy Williams being overrated, I'd love to hear it. ::)
Oh, don't get me wrong, he has a great winning percentage and is highly successful but I think he's over rated in how good of a coach he is, not that it's his fault...he can't control what others say or write about him. I don't dislike him or think he's a hack. I get irritated with the media hype surrounding him. I have the same irritation at the hype given to Hansbrough...the kid is good but I don't think he's great. He works hard and does a lot for his team but he's not what the media (Dickie V. esp.) makes him out to be....again, not his fault.
Tom Izzo has been to the Final Four four times in a much shorter period of time, has won the same amount of Nat. Championships, 6 taken first round (although how many were highly touted coming into his program) in the NBA. And Williams has done that at two of the most storied places in bball history where he has had fantastic recruits! Michigan State is one of the better bball schools for sure but I'd say recruiting to NC is much easier than to MSU, although they're not really competing for the same kids. If you give the same group of kids to Williams and Izzo I would say Izzo gets so much more out of them over a season.
Kind of like Dean Smith...with all the unbelievable talent he's had, just one Nat. Championship?
QuoteQuoteQuoteRoy Williams is over-rated in my opinion although a very good recruiter.
;D ;D ;D
Did I miss something? 524 wins (not to mention hitting that 500th win faster than any other NCAA coach in history) in 19 seasons, a win percentage that is fourth-best in history, a national championship, 11 regular-season conference titles, five Final Fours, 16 first-round draft picks and that is over-rated?
I think Tom Izzo IS a very great coach, and runs a hell of a basketball program...but he still falls over 200 wins short of Roy, 1 less final four appearance and so forth.
But, If you have a valid argument for Roy Williams being overrated, I'd love to hear it. ::)
Oh, don't get me wrong, he has a great winning percentage and is highly successful but I think he's over rated in how good of a coach he is, not that it's his fault...he can't control what others say or write about him. I don't dislike him or think he's a hack. I get irritated with the media hype surrounding him. I have the same irritation at the hype given to Hansbrough...the kid is good but I don't think he's great. He works hard and does a lot for his team but he's not what the media (Dickie V. esp.) makes him out to be....again, not his fault.
Tom Izzo has been to the Final Four four times in a much shorter period of time, has won the same amount of Nat. Championships, 6 taken first round (although how many were highly touted coming into his program) in the NBA. And Williams has done that at two of the most storied places in bball history where he has had fantastic recruits! Michigan State is one of the better bball schools for sure but I'd say recruiting to NC is much easier than to MSU, although they're not really competing for the same kids. If you give the same group of kids to Williams and Izzo I would say Izzo gets so much more out of them over a season.
Kind of like Dean Smith...with all the unbelievable talent he's had, just one Nat. Championship?
Fair enough. (Although Dean Smith had TWO national championships).
Yea, I was referring to Williams with the one Nat. Championship.
I'm hoping that Izzo stays at MSU for a very long time and builds an unbelievable record. I know it takes a lot from him but hey, I'm selfish. Then again, his wheels could fall off.
Oh, gotcha now.
Quotethere's only one thing worse than a Duke fan, that's a bandwagon Duke fan. I can understand if you went to school there, but how anyone can root for those spoiled brats is beyond me. Let me see, I think I'll pick a team that's always in the NCAA tourney and root for them! Yeah, that's it!
please
only a saints/ole miss fans would insult me because my team is not shitty enough. i have given about ten good reasons why i root for duke and everyone can only give one reason to hate them: because they are good.
please
QuoteQuotethere's only one thing worse than a Duke fan, that's a bandwagon Duke fan. I can understand if you went to school there, but how anyone can root for those spoiled brats is beyond me. Let me see, I think I'll pick a team that's always in the NCAA tourney and root for them! Yeah, that's it!
please
only a saints/ole miss fans would insult me because my team is not shitty enough. i have given about ten good reasons why i root for duke and everyone can only give one reason to hate them: because they are good.
please
well, I was born in New Orleans and went to Ole Miss. I am loyal and I don't bandwagon.
Home is more important than sucking the ass of a winning team. (Ohio St. and Duke included)
QuoteQuotethere's only one thing worse than a Duke fan, that's a bandwagon Duke fan. I can understand if you went to school there, but how anyone can root for those spoiled brats is beyond me. Let me see, I think I'll pick a team that's always in the NCAA tourney and root for them! Yeah, that's it!
please
only a saints/ole miss fans would insult me because my team is not shitty enough. i have given about ten good reasons why i root for duke and everyone can only give one reason to hate them: because they are good.
please
There are about 25 good reasons in this article to hate them. Check it:
http://www.truthaboutduke.com/antidook1.php
Here's an excerpt about bandwagoning fans too ;):
-- Chapter Six --
The Fans
No essay on the subject can be complete without discussion of the mindless Duke fan base that has emerged over the past decade or so. As distinguished from the obnoxious student body that at least has a reason to support the team, these are the fair-weather fans that simply root for whichever team enjoys a winning tradition at a given point in time. They are the folks we see in four-wheel drives donning Blue Devil baseball caps and championship bumper stickers. Neither the Duke fan nor his close friends or family members attended Duke, but they have all purchased Blue Devil apparel from a Durham County Wal-Mart.
Unheard of during Krzyzewski's early years, this growing collection of gullible dupes also buys into the media's misplaced love for Duke by believing that the program and its coach are class unmatched. Most of the fans are North Carolinians, who, perhaps not unreasonably, assume that the school's central state location is reason enough to justify an allegiance to it. Because the Blue Devil fan has no firsthand experience with the school, he has no idea that the vast majority of the student body (eighty-five percent) is imported, with a large percentage comprising smug Northeastern carpetbaggers who constantly mock North Carolina and its native residents. Much of the independent Duke fan base consists of teen and pre-teen fans, a fact that confirms the necessity of compulsory education and minimum age drinking laws.
"Challenge" over: ACC 8 - Big Ten 3. Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, and NC State: You are now free to join the Big Sky.
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Quote"Challenge" over: ACC 8 - Big Ten 3. Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, and NC State: You are now free to join the Big Sky.
Snore...wake me in March.
QuoteQuoteQuotethere's only one thing worse than a Duke fan, that's a bandwagon Duke fan. I can understand if you went to school there, but how anyone can root for those spoiled brats is beyond me. Let me see, I think I'll pick a team that's always in the NCAA tourney and root for them! Yeah, that's it!
please
only a saints/ole miss fans would insult me because my team is not shitty enough. i have given about ten good reasons why i root for duke and everyone can only give one reason to hate them: because they are good.
please
well, I was born in New Orleans and went to Ole Miss. I am loyal and I don't bandwagon. Home is more important than sucking the ass of a winning team. (Ohio St. and Duke included)
well, I was born in Ohio so I "suck their ass" because it IS my
home. Don't fault me because I'm not a jealous-ass, born-loser like yourself.
Some people's teams actually do win on occasion. That doesn't necessarily mean they are bandwagon fans.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotethere's only one thing worse than a Duke fan, that's a bandwagon Duke fan. I can understand if you went to school there, but how anyone can root for those spoiled brats is beyond me. Let me see, I think I'll pick a team that's always in the NCAA tourney and root for them! Yeah, that's it!
please
only a saints/ole miss fans would insult me because my team is not shitty enough. i have given about ten good reasons why i root for duke and everyone can only give one reason to hate them: because they are good.
please
well, I was born in New Orleans and went to Ole Miss. I am loyal and I don't bandwagon. Home is more important than sucking the ass of a winning team. (Ohio St. and Duke included)
well, I was born in Ohio so I "suck their ass" because it IS my home. Don't fault me because I'm not a jealous-ass, born-loser like yourself.
Some people's teams actually do win on occasion. That doesn't necessarily mean they are bandwagon fans.
It's just different when you're born into it or you went to school there; you live it. It's not a "choice", it chooses you. How would one decide on a team if they're from a state and they're not born into it or go to school there? Lets see, (my guess there were teams closer to your hometown that just weren't "good enough" to root for?)
Colleges in Ohio with football programs:
Bowling Green
Kent St.
Miami (of Ohio)
Ohio St.
U of Ohio
Akron
Cincy
Dayton
Toledo
Xavier
Youngstown St.
Now lets see, how
do I pick which wagon to jump on here :-?.....hhhhmmmmm. I got it! How about the best one? Yes!
Now, what college hoops team should I choose to love? hhmmmmm, how about Duke! They're always good! yyyyyiippeeee!! Go team! Rah, rah, rah!!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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(this is way too easy)
"I think I see Columbus over that thar hill; or is it Durham?"
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Actually I root for all those teams too. My dad went to Miami of Ohio and I actually am a bigger MU fan than buckeye fan I just don't talk about them around here because no one gives a shit about the OU / MU rivalry game.
So why don't you jump off my ass and try to find a better way to express your anger that your teams suck you fucking loser.
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lighten up Francis
(I will say this, we sAints have a good time, win , lose , or draw!)
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I know, I know, I know, I know.....
sorry :-X
Well...quite a few shakeups since posting last...
...UCLA went down to Texas at home (!)
Tennessee almost gets beat by Chattanooga, AND Memphis goes to overtime to barely beat USC.
But, Carolina is still holding it down with true road game wins at Kentucky and Ohio State AND a rout at Penn last night with Psycho T scoring 29 points. I like where this is headed!!!
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Mich. State squeaked by Bradley last night...whew! I didn't get to watch it but apparently the played terrible. Nietzel was off and Bradley was uber-keyed up for us. First top 10 team to visit there place in almost 50 years and they were primed and hostile. I'm still pissed we let UCLA off the hook!
BYU will be a tough game Sat. They have one guy who has the quickest release 3 point shot and man can he shoot when he's hot!
BYU is no slouch. If a team can take down a very capable Louisville team and UNC can narrowly avoid the upset, it should be a very interesting game saturday.
Very good week for my Spartans...didn't get to see the BYU game here in KY but I saw them play UCLA and they are very good! The Bradley win won't hurt the NCAA resume either. I think they're hoping for a #1 seed so they can play the 1st round in Detroit...got their work cut out for them!
so it's a great game, an early season classic between Pitt and Duke, tied in OT. Pitt's Mike Cook drives to the goal and twists his knee and is lying on the ground writhing in pain. The trainer and coach come out and are standing over Cook, and the Duke fans start a Let's Go Duke chant...
classless bunch of spoiled ass clowns, and they end up losing like they should.
Pitt looks pretty good.
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classless bunch of spoiled ass clowns, and they end up losing like they should.
THIS is "class" in action, folks. Take notes.
Spoken like a champ Tracy. I'll support you 100% when you bash dook. That was really fucked up for them to be chanting that, especially when someone is down with a knee injury. I hate Cameron Square Garden.
And, yes, great game last night. I'm glad to see Pitt made the comeback.
Memphis- 85
Georgetown- 71
Man,when Memphis turned it on in the 2nd half, they looked unreal. Very impressive.
I was watching the box score of that game (as well as the heels game) while I was at work. I didn't see any action, but it was neck and neck with about 17 minutes left in the quarter. I left the computer and came back 20 minutes later and Memphis had run away with it.
They are looking like a serious national championship contender if they can hand Georgetown their ass like that.
ggg?
CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (AP) -- Top-ranked North Carolina's latest lopsided victory didn't matter much in the locker room. Not after the Tar Heels lost a key contributor for the rest of the season.
Tyler Hansbrough scored 26 points and Wayne Ellington added a career-high 23 to help North Carolina beat Nevada 106-70 on Thursday night, but the Tar Heels lost junior guard Bobby Frasor to a knee injury in the second half.
Frasor tore his left anterior cruciate ligament when his leg gave way while he was trying to make a steal near the sideline with 9:47 to play. He immediately clutched his knee when he went down before limping to the locker room. He did not return and will require surgery.
The injury robs the Tar Heels (12-0) of a versatile veteran who can play either guard position and provides defense and leadership off the bench.
:'( :'( :'(
I watched it last night, and it really bummed me out. Frasor is such a key backup, and considering he was out most of last season with a broken foot, I really feel bad for him.
Lawson is going to have to play many more minutes I'm sure (I really don't trust Quentin Thomas running the show) but I think he's up to the task. He was NASTY last night.
I'm off to Clemson!! Wish us luck!! 8-) 8-)
QuoteI'm off to Clemson!! Wish us luck!! 8-) 8-)
Pulling for Clemson here; it makes Ole Miss' win over Clemson more impressive if they knock off Carolina.
WOW, what a game. You must have made the difference Triple G. :)
I hope you make it back alive!
OMG. It was so fucking crazy in Littlejohn last night; maybe one of the loudest venues I've ever been to. I'm just really glad that Wayne Ellington stepped up because Clemson showed up for this game. Their D was excellent and I really thought we were doomed (especially since it was OT on the road :P). We really got lucky last night, that's all their is to it.
I was in a really awkward spot in the crowd, too. It was me and my friend Jeff surrounded by 200 orange shirts. It made it really hard to cheer. For real.
Hey Three G's, u seem to be the forum guru on bball, gotta ask what you think of Indiana's team. I really liked Kelvin Sampson when he was at OU, I'll be honest I don't watch that much outside of the Big 12. Probably comes from the fact that I'm horrible at it. :-/
I've never been a guru before...sounds like a lot of pressure.
BUT, I have been watching Indiana pretty closely this season (I'm watching them trounce Michigan right now, in fact). I think they could end up being a surprise Final Four team...I favor them more than Michigan State right now for being the leader of the Big 10. Some might disagree, but Indiana looks like more of a cohesive team right now whereas MSU looks like a bunch of individual performances coming together at random intervals.
We'll see though. It's just my two cents.
Funny, I see Indiana as a bunch of individual performances and am really loving watching MSU and how they play so well as a team.
DJ White is by nature lazy and that will hurt him in the end. Gordon is an incredible talent but I was suprised to see IU allow him to basically operate as a freelancer several times down the court instead of running an offensive set. I did see a nice curl play for him but most of the time he was on the bench with fouls. Will be interesting to see how he does against a very good team defense.
Izzo is a much better coach than Sampson IMO and seems to have more character...something that is not unimportant in so many respects, including winning games.
Regardless, it should be a hell of a game when these two square off later this year!
13-0 Ole Miss at 12-1 Tennessee Wednesday night.
Ole Miss is famous for doing well outside the SEC and folding during league play. Big early test for us and I will be suprised if we get out of Knoxpatch with a win. Huge statement game if we pull off the upset.
I'm favoring Ole Miss for this game. I don't think UT is living up to its hype. Still, when 12-1 and an UNDEFEATED ( :o) Ole Miss meet, it should be great. I'll be pulling for the rebs for sure.
QuoteI'm favoring Ole Miss for this game. I don't think UT is living up to its hype. Still, when 12-1 and an UNDEFEATED ( :o) Ole Miss meet, it should be great. I'll be pulling for the rebs for sure.
I don't know. I have been watching the Rebels long enough to know we have a chance of getting blown out. UT will be sky high (Ole Miss ain't Carolina).
Cool story about Ole Miss basketball: My senior year at Ole Miss (1998, 16 years after I graduated from high school...) I interned at the state veteran's home and an Ole Miss basketball legend Bonnie Lee "Country" Graham lived there; he played at Ole Miss in the 30's and coached there in the 50's and 60's. Well, I overheard the nurses one day saying, "Coach doesn't have anyone to take him to the games this year and he's going to be upset", so I asked them what they were talking about and they told me that the person who had been taking him to the bball games the past 2 years was unable to do so this year. I quickly expressed interest in that gig and asked what I needed to do to set it up. They gave me Coach's daughter's name and phone number. Well, to make a long story short,
I got paid $50 a game to take Coach Graham to every home game that year. We had a parking pass at the back door of the coliseum and every game I wheeled him in (he was confined to a wheelchair) and we sat courtside at the press table. He was around 83 at the time and sort of slow to respond, but when he got to the court, he just lit up. And on the rides home he would tell me stories about how he never beat Adolph Rupp but they were friends, and how the team used to travel, etc...We had a pretty good year (for Ole Miss) and went 20-13 and lost to Michigan State in the 2nd round of the NCAA tourney. It was an amazing year for me.
Here's a link to a short article on his death:
http://robots.cnnsi.com/basketball/college/news/2001/10/15/graham_ap/
Wow, that's a really cool story Tracy.
I'm really excited for the game tonight. Ole Miss has an advantage with their size but UT is really, really difficult to beat at home. Playing against the Vols in Thompson Boling Arena is much diffrent than it used to be.
QuoteFunny, I see Indiana as a bunch of individual performances and am really loving watching MSU and how they play so well as a team.
DJ White is by nature lazy and that will hurt him in the end. Gordon is an incredible talent but I was suprised to see IU allow him to basically operate as a freelancer several times down the court instead of running an offensive set. I did see a nice curl play for him but most of the time he was on the bench with fouls. Will be interesting to see how he does against a very good team defense.
Izzo is a much better coach than Sampson IMO and seems to have more character...something that is not unimportant in so many respects, including winning games.
Regardless, it should be a hell of a game when these two square off later this year!
Whew, Purdue put a scare into my Spartans last night. We were handling them easily with a 16 point lead and just stopped playing. Purdue executed very well and hit some big shots, they're going to be beat some people! We ended up pulling it out but were behind by 5 points late in the game...ridiculous. Way too many turnovers, our achilles heel!
I saw it tied up at 53-53 and was shocked! Glad you got out of there with the win though.
...also UT-Ole Miss comes on in 20 minutes. I'm really glad there is a ranked team matchup on tonight.
And UNC is only up by 7 with 3:30 left in the first half :P
Quite a game so far in Knoxville. Tracy? Thoughts? I think Ole Miss is looking very good. My only complaint is that they're taking too many unnecessary 3's. But, then again, they're hitting a lot of 3's tonight (both teams, in fact) so who am I to complain. Damn good matchup though. Damn good.
We did good against a good team. Really impressed with Chris Warren, looking forward to the next 4 years with that guy. Too inexperienced to pull off the win, but only good things to come.
That was the best basketball game I've seen in a Long Time!!!
Ole Miss is the real deal. I think they could go very deep in the tournament. They are better at point guard and have better muscle underneath than TN. I didn't realize how deep they are on the bench. They had all kinds of people contributing.
SMACKDOWN on NC State today!! 43-13 after the first half? A 34-4 run? Awesome.
And Texas is getting beat by Missouri? Tracy?
Man, if you haven't seen Shan Foster for Vanderbilt, he's the real deal. Vanderbilt played terrible against Kentucky (which has a terrible team this year) and still almost won.
That game at Knoxville Thursday night against UT will be H U G E.
I think Vandy just got too psyched out by the crowd. If that would've been a home game for them, I'm sure it would've ended differently. But can't we all agree Kentucky needed this one? Poor guys... :-/
...And Michigan State goes down scoring only 36 (?!?!?!??!) points? Tower? Thoughts?
Ugh, the MSU blogs/comments all basically say that was perhaps the worst game in MSU history. I was watching at a bar and couldn't see too much but four travel calls in a row? We were stuck on 18 points for about 15 mins. Not sure how the wheels fell off so badly but jesus we couldn't beat a middle school girls team playing like that!
I guess we'll see how they respond on Tue against a pretty good Ohio State team. We haven't played well lately, since the start of the Big Ten season. Turnovers are our nightmare, especially from our bigs.
Yesterday was bizarre with an awful UK beating a pretty good Vandy team that looked like it was being paid to lose!
I just hope MSU grows from this debacle...we'll see.
They'll bounce back. But that was a really ugly game. It happens.
We'll see tonight although I won't be able to watch, I'll be at band practice. Glad I pay extra for the Big Ten Network...
UGGHHH! Kansas treated us like some prostitutes that needed some pimpin. :-[ They look pretty damn good though. Bill Self better pray he can get them pass the first round this year or he might be lookin for a job. Anything less than the final four for them I think would be a huge disappointment. Wouldn't mind seeing them matchup with your Tarheels 3G's. Would be a interesting game.
QuoteWouldn't mind seeing them matchup with your Tarheels 3G's. Would be a interesting game.
That's been my one true sports wish since this season began. Kansas was looking VERY good last night (more solid than the heels do right now...but not by much). I would love to see Roy take on his old school in the Final Four - preferably the championship game - and if Kansas (or UNC) does fold before the FF, it would be a huge disappointment for either team.
I can't WAIT until March. Who plays tonight anyway...doesn't Ohio State play Michigan State? I'll go check espn.
Quote Who plays tonight anyway...doesn't Ohio State play Michigan State? I'll go check espn.
yes. my son plays tonight.
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Your son who only hit 4-14 last week? ::)
...I'm just messin' around. He is an amazing player when he's on. I ain't no playa' hater.
QuoteYour son who only hit 4-14 last week? ::)
...I'm just messin' around. He is an amazing player when he's on. I ain't no playa' hater.
Hell, he's a lot better than I was on my best day when he is 4-14. All I can do is watch and wonder...
good grief if you haven't seen Jarvis Varnado of Mississippi State play, check him out. he leads the nation in blocked shots at 4.6 a game! Amazing. 10 blocks last week gainst GA, 11 tonight against KY (along with 12 rebounds and 10 points)
Once again MSU jumped out to a nice lead and then didn't seem to finish well. We won, and Ohio State is a good team (not great) but man we're inconsistent. The good news is still that we have several scoring options...the bad news is that they seem to not fire at the same time. I still look for Izzo to improve them by the end of the season, he always seems to get more from them as the season progresses.
Quote I still look for Izzo to improve them by the end of the season, he always seems to get more from them as the season progresses.
That's why I always pay attention to Michigan St b/c they often pop up in the late rounds of the tourney and I'm like, "Who are these guys?" A lot of that is Izzo.
ggg, usually "teams of destiny" have a bad game, like last nights GT game, and win anyway.
Or, is there a chink in the Tarheel Blue armor?
Quoteggg, usually "teams of destiny" have a bad game, like last nights GT game, and win anyway.
Or, is there a chink in the Tarheel Blue armor?
I hate to have said this in two of the last three games, but I'm glad we got out (escaped, rather) of there with a win. I really didn't think our offense was that bad, but our defense was very BLAH. And Georgia Tech's perimeter game was ON last night. They were hot. Not to mention Georgia Tech thought it was a football game out there. Not that I'm bitching or anything, but come on...they got away with a lot. Did you see Hansbrough's face at the end of the game? Boxers don't usually look that bad after a match. But, that's the ACC for you. If any team has a target on its back (i.e. #1 UNC) they can expect to get everything thrown at them.
You can pretty much throw any records out during conference play, because anything can happen. I'm not saying the other conferences are 'less prestigeous', but of the three games I watched last night, 2 of them (VT vs. Vir and UNC vs. GT) were won by one point. Dook was down by 4 with 3 minutes to play at Florida State and somehow came back...so the upsets are brewing and WILL happen. Carolina WILL lose a couple of games in conference play.
So is this the team of destiny? The bad wins do happen, as do bad losses...look at the 2005 championship team with its first loss to Santa Clara...but do I expect Carolina to win the NC? If last nights game was any indication, I'd say no. Final Four, yes, but if we're going to play like that and let GT walk all over us, it's not looking good.
But, for now, we're 18-0 and still have almost two months until Selection Sunday. So there is PLENTY of time left to improve.
Here are my picks for the top 5 as of today:
1.) Kansas
2.) UNC
3.) Memphis
4.) Tennessee
5.) UCLA
P.S. --- Nice article on Ole Miss here Tracy...
http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/10581396
UofL plays Marquette tonight on ESPN. Should be a good game. UofL has looked paltry in some outings this season but I have a good feeling about this team come tournament time.
What happened to Louisville anyway? They were a preseason top 5 team...and they've fallen hard. I'll take Marquette to win this one, although I would love Louisville to win it. I like Rick Pitino a lot.
QuoteWhat happened to Louisville anyway? They were a preseason top 5 team...and they've fallen hard. I'll take Marquette to win this one, although I would love Louisville to win it. I like Rick Pitino a lot.
injuries happened. pitino's teams are always late bloomers anyways, good at the end of the season and in the fourth quarter.
how'd ya like UofL's 20 point blow out of Marquette? They're lookin healthier every day.
When UL shoots well they always have a shot but the way Pitino's offense is set up if they can't shoot from the outside they're pretty much screwed. This roster is inconsistent, they'll win some games like this but lose some they shouldn't. Makes for a dangerous team though.
Indiana pulled out a very close one again last night! Illinois and Minnesota should have beaten them but they squeaked by. Was hoping for one of them to be losses to help MSU in the Big Ten race since they laid an egg in Iowa last weekend.
QuoteWhen UL shoots well they always have a shot but the way Pitino's offense is set up if they can't shoot from the outside they're pretty much screwed. This roster is inconsistent, they'll win some games like this but lose some they shouldn't. Makes for a dangerous team though.
Indiana pulled out a very close one again last night! Illinois and Minnesota should have beaten them but they squeaked by. Was hoping for one of them to be losses to help MSU in the Big Ten race since they laid an egg in Iowa last weekend.
You're right about pitino's offense living or dying by the 3. Which is why I'm nervous about next year, since they're moving the three line back and all. I really think this team is going to make some waves by the end of the season though.
Weak ass first half against Maryland. We can't shoot. We aren't running. Blah. We better make a strong showing coming up. :P
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NC taking too many down to the wire. Looks like Memphis is #1
Yup. UCLA lost to USC too, so there will be quite a mixup in the top 10.
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Well, I've been waiting for some time to gloat in this thread this year and finally my time has arrived. A victory in Chapel Hill helps ease a little of the pain (we lost to American among other giants of the sport this year). Maybe this will right the ship a little.
This tough stretch is good for NC though.
Gloat away, Bowl. It is deserved :-/
QuoteGloat away, Bowl. It is deserved :-/
Something tells me that you'll get the last laugh. We are a tough match-up for you guys though. We have 3 large athletic bodies to throw at Hansborough and we make him play D. Our guards make or break us.
Kansas is looking pretty money, if they can get by when they play at Texas I'm not sure they don't run through the Big 12 undefeated? Someone might suprise em', wasn't us as they toyed with us and won by 30, but they'll be favored in every game. If they get past the first round of the tourney watch out!
Kansas is looking WAY better than Memphis in my opinion. I see Kansas getting to the Final Four very easily because they've had some tests thus far and have passed them nicely.
Memphis is a great team, don't get me wrong, but all of this praise about John Calipari's "Tough" scheduling is a joke. Both of their 'tough tests' were at home. I know, Memphis handled Georgetown nicely, but until you get some experience playing in a very hostel crowd, you don't have a chance going deeper than the elite eight...which, right now, is as far as I see Memphis going, especially after seeing their heralded offense only scoring 57 last night against Tulsa. Tulsa. Honestly.
And I still can't believe how many people say Calipari is a GREAT coach...good recruiter, not a great coach...not even close. Reminds me a little of Pitino, except not as good.
I do think Bill Self is a good coach from what little I know of him.
Looking forward to MSU - Northwestern tonight at home. It'll be nice to have what "should" be an easy one, especially since Nietzel may have got himself going with five 3's in the second half against a very solid Minn team. Minnesota is much better than KY right now, IMHO. Tubby's offense looks pretty good, especially compared to the stagnant thing he was running at UK!
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I do think Bill Self is a good coach from what little I know of him.
He is a good coach for sure, he just hasn't proven himself as someone who can take a team to the Final Four...I think this could be his year though.
Good luck against NW tonight.
A Len Bias movie is coming for those interested:
http://www.len-bias.com/trailer.html
One of the saddest moments of my life. I'm hopeful for this one; when he died everyone was desperate to assign blame and his death has about the same amount of conspiracy and mystery as Jim Morrison. How about this: Great basketball player gets drafted, has a party with a bunch of friends, does way too much coke, and dies.
QuoteA Len Bias movie is coming for those interested:
http://www.len-bias.com/trailer.html
One of the saddest moments of my life. I'm hopeful for this one; when he died everyone was desperate to assign blame and his death has about the same amount of conspiracy and mystery as Jim Morrison. How about this: Great basketball player gets drafted, has a party with a bunch of friends, does way too much coke, and dies.
The tragedy was compounded when the feds used len bias' death as a way to make crack cocaine 20 times more severely punished under the law than regular cocaine, an obvious way to further morph the "war on drugs" into the "war on poor people" or some would say the "war on blacks". I hope the movie stays true to reality.
QuoteQuoteA Len Bias movie is coming for those interested:
http://www.len-bias.com/trailer.html
One of the saddest moments of my life. I'm hopeful for this one; when he died everyone was desperate to assign blame and his death has about the same amount of conspiracy and mystery as Jim Morrison. How about this: Great basketball player gets drafted, has a party with a bunch of friends, does way too much coke, and dies.
The tragedy was compounded when the feds used len bias' death as a way to make crack cocaine 20 times more severely punished under the law than regular cocaine, an obvious way to further morph the "war on drugs" into the "war on poor people" or some would say the "war on blacks". I hope the movie stays true to reality.
amen.
Looks like that pesky 1-3-1 zone of Northwestern wasn't very effective. Neitzel bombed them from 3 land last night (6 of 10, team was 11 of 18) and Chris Allen finally showed that he's the shooter he's supposed to be, 4 of 5 from 3 land.
Granted Northwestern sucks but at least we scored more than the 36 we did at Iowa!
Did anyone see the 3 pointer that the kid from Northwestern threw up at the end of the shot clock over in front of his bench? Didn't even look like a shot, more like he was saving it from out of bounds or something. Anyway, it got him started and he hit 3 threes in a row...ridiculous.
Can't wait to HAMMER scUM (Michigan) this Sunday (please baby jesus).
I turned off the Duke game, got tired of seeing them get ridiculous calls, the one charge call they drew in the first half against the long haired kid was silly.
QuoteLooks like that pesky 1-3-1 zone of Northwestern wasn't very effective. Neitzel bombed them from 3 land last night (6 of 10, team was 11 of 18) and Chris Allen finally showed that he's the shooter he's supposed to be, 4 of 5 from 3 land.
Granted Northwestern sucks but at least we scored more than the 36 we did at Iowa!
Did anyone see the 3 pointer that the kid from Northwestern threw up at the end of the shot clock over in front of his bench? Didn't even look like a shot, more like he was saving it from out of bounds or something. Anyway, it got him started and he hit 3 threes in a row...ridiculous.
Can't wait to HAMMER scUM (Michigan) this Sunday (please baby jesus).
I turned off the Duke game, got tired of seeing them get ridiculous calls, the one charge call they drew in the first half against the long haired kid was silly.
Yeah, but that Washington kid should have been kicked out of the game. it seemed like his only intention in the game was to hurt Duke players. I know some people on this board may support that, but that's just bad sportsmanship.
Yea, he seemed like kind of a punk from the little bit I saw.
QuoteYea, he seemed like kind of a punk from the little bit I saw.
He intentionally undercut a duke player, which is one of the most dangerous things you can do on a basketball court and then intentionally stuck out his foot and tripped a duke player running full speed on a fast break. There were about four other "hard fouls" that should have gotten him an early shower, but he got away with having one intentional foul before fouling out with five personals. Missing a few calls is one thing, allowing a player to intentionally try to injure the other team is another.
end rant.
true dat! I agree with you on the undercutting thing, I hate when people try to do that when I'm playing pickup games. It's not even close to worth it for me, if I think someone is going to do that I go into self-preservation mode immediately.
Quotetrue dat! I agree with you on the undercutting thing, I hate when people try to do that when I'm playing pickup games. It's not even close to worth it for me, if I think someone is going to do that I go into self-preservation mode immediately.
Ya, my step-dad played varsity bball for his high school until someone undercut him and he still feels pain from it to this day.
where do you play pick up?
Out here in Shebbyville.
soup, let's talk about your boy's chances against the dookies tonight. I'll be pulling hard for them, got my turtle head out and everything.
Quotesoup, let's talk about your boy's chances against the dookies tonight. I'll be pulling hard for them, got my turtle head out and everything.
Well, that sucked. Back to back UNC/Duke wins would've changed our season; now its time to start shining our NIT dancing shoes (if they'll have us). Guard play kills us again - you just can't question the effort of our bigs. The fact that we were up 9 at the half makes it even worse. Teams with size and a shooter will give Duke fits and I see Duke making another surprise early exit in the tourney this year.
QuoteQuotesoup, let's talk about your boy's chances against the dookies tonight. I'll be pulling hard for them, got my turtle head out and everything.
Well, that sucked. Back to back UNC/Duke wins would've changed our season; now its time to start shining our NIT dancing shoes (if they'll have us). Guard play kills us again - you just can't question the effort of our bigs. The fact that we were up 9 at the half makes it even worse. Teams with size and a shooter will give Duke fits and I see Duke making another surprise early exit in the tourney this year.
Maryland seemed like a player or 2 short to get it done. Duke got some fortunate bounces on the offensive rebound side at the end, but at times it seemed the dookies wanted it more and out hustled the Terps. Maybe the NC win took some wind out of the sails.
QuoteQuoteQuotesoup, let's talk about your boy's chances against the dookies tonight. I'll be pulling hard for them, got my turtle head out and everything.
Well, that sucked. Back to back UNC/Duke wins would've changed our season; now its time to start shining our NIT dancing shoes (if they'll have us). Guard play kills us again - you just can't question the effort of our bigs. The fact that we were up 9 at the half makes it even worse. Teams with size and a shooter will give Duke fits and I see Duke making another surprise early exit in the tourney this year.
Maryland seemed like a player or 2 short to get it done. Duke got some fortunate bounces on the offensive rebound side at the end, but at times it seemed the dookies wanted it more and out hustled the Terps. Maybe the NC win took some wind out of the sails.
Yep. I'm usually bitching about the refs after a game with Dook, but I have no real complaints. We missed 3 front-ends at the end of the game - can't do that. Coach K going 4-corners at the end of the game almost let us rally, but we just have no real shooter and it kills us. If Gist keeps playing at this level, he may find employment in the Association next year.
pretty good info as the season gets cranked up:
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/news?slug=be-bigboard-ncaab&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
...and Kansas goes down!!
That was pretty suprising, but then again K-State has never had anyone like Beasley either ;) Your boys in the powder blue are looking good against BC right now
any Uconn fans in here, i think they can be real trouble in the Big East
any buckeye fans here?
The big game happens in TWO DAYS...
...and it looks like we won't have Lawson playing that night :'(
"The General" resigns from Texas Tech! :o
Yeah, I can't wait to see what the reason was for his departure.
I am a closet Bob Knight fan :-/ Being in the Big 12 I must say he did a lot for Tech. I can see why a lot of people don't like him though. He's one of those love or hate guys, not many people ride the fence on him.
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There have been whispers in Knoxville for the last two seasons that we are becoming more of a basketball school than football. I've been falling in love with our basketball team more and more over the last two years, but tonight pretty much sealed the deal. What an amazing win over Florida. The whole team is a class act, they are well coached and fun to watch....I can't say any of those things about our football team at this point (besides our defense) The basketball team might not win an S.E.C. championship or advance deep into the NCAA tournament but even if they don't this ride has been so much better than a bowl win against Wisconsin...I think that's who we played. ;) THANK YOU BRUCE PEARL, CHRIS LOFTON, TYLER SMITH, JUAN SMITH, J.P. PRINCE, etc. etc. etc.
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There have been whispers in Knoxville for the last two seasons that we are becoming more of a basketball school than football. I've been falling in love with our basketball team more and more over the last two years, but tonight pretty much sealed the deal. What an amazing win over Florida. The whole team is a class act, they are well coached and fun to watch....I can't say any of those things about our football team at this point (besides our defense) The basketball team might not win an S.E.C. championship or advance deep into the NCAA tournament but even if they don't this ride has been so much better than a bowl win against Wisconsin...I think that's who we played. ;) THANK YOU BRUCE PEARL, CHRIS LOFTON, TYLER SMITH, JUAN SMITH, J.P. PRINCE, etc. etc. etc.
Beautiful win for those guys. It's always nice to see Billy Donovan get a whoopin'.
Quoteany buckeye fans here?
Buckeye fan right here. I root for a lot of different teams, because my school doesn't have division I sports (other than lacrosse) and I've moved a lot in my life. I'm a born buckeye though.
gggggggggg
you got a prediction for tonight?
104-67?
79-78 (3 OT's)?
73-65?
well? :-?
ASU is having a great seaon in the Pac-10*
*And by "great" I mean dwelling in mediocraty. :-[
Quotegggggggggg
you got a prediction for tonight?
104-67?
79-78 (3 OT's)?
73-65?
well? :-?
I keep checking up on the Carolina message boards. "Lawson is playing!" "Lawson definitely out" and "Who gives a fuck if he doesn't play? We'll cream these turds!" are some very popular posts. I hope Lawson plays, of course, but I'm pretty confident of are chances without him, as I really don't think the Devils will be able to handle our muscles on the inside.
This is the first time since the 1998 season that UNC and Dook have met while both are ranked in the top 3 (they split both games that season) AND the first time meeting since Henderson's arm broke Hansbrough's nose. Carolina, also, has won 3 in a row (:)).
Talking points aside, I have been anticipating this game all season, and have had butterflies in my stomach since I woke up this morning. I love this rivalry, I love this game and I can't wait until tip-off.
PREDICTION:
UNC - 78
Duke - 75
As anyone else watching, perhaps, the biggest conference game of the year tonight? Any predictions? Thoughts? Can someone start talking shit so I'll have someone to rail on during the game?
you know I'm watching! This is the best rivalry in basketball and this game is huge (not like they all aren't) I've also been looking forward to this one for a while. Go Duke. And dicky V is back just in time for his favorite game of the year. they said he had to go three weeks without talking to recover from his surgery, not a peep. crazy.
It's great to have Dookie V back, although I won't be able to hear him because of the ACC blackout.
Looks like I'll have to deal with Billy Packer. What a douche.
Howzabout a bet aMD? If UNC wins, you have to wear an avatar of my choosing for one week, and vice versa.
Deal?
I'm down, Primushead.
Let's do it. Baby blue is SO effeminate, but I really think Duke's got this one.
...searching for your future avatar
I've already got yours;)
Here's some possibilities
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I would feel very dirty with any of those.
I've narrowed it down to two for you, my friend:
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Well, maybe three:
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QuoteI would feel very dirty with any of those.
I've narrowed it down to two for you, my friend:
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Well, maybe three:
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How are you going to bring Michigan into this?! I don't think I signed up for that. Let's stick to UNC. baby blue may be effeminate, but "maze and blue" is the enemy.
Duke takes care of business. I think I'll go with this one:
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duke much pretty had control of this thing from the beginning. however, i got to say i was more impressed with hansborugh than I ever have been. I didn't realize that he had such an effective mid-range jumper. not good enough though.
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What can I say? They nailed us on the three point line. Can't wait for the rematch in a few weeks.
...for now, though, I'll wear the other blue. ;D
Nice avatar, GGG! Way to take it like a man.
I'm also already looking forward to the rematch at Duke! There's no better student section than the Cameron Crazies! Makes me feel good about a sweep this year, unless of course we see you all again in one of the tourneys.
I think Duke should leap frog Memphis with this impressive win. We'll see how many number one votes they get this week.
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What can I say? They nailed us on the three point line. Can't wait for the rematch in a few weeks.
...for now, though, I'll wear the other blue. ;D
I think the silver lining is dook played their A+ game and NC sucked, but NC was still in it very late (cut it to 5 a couple of times, but couldn't turn the corner defensively). Add in Lawson and some more down to earth shooting by dook (and less tunrnovers by NC) and NC wins.
QuoteQuoteI would feel very dirty with any of those.
I've narrowed it down to two for you, my friend:
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Well, maybe three:
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How are you going to bring Michigan into this?! I don't think I signed up for that. Let's stick to UNC. baby blue may be effeminate, but "maze and blue" is the enemy.
Try "Maize n' Blue'' maybe?
you call it maize...I call it corn.
QuoteQuote:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
What can I say? They nailed us on the three point line. Can't wait for the rematch in a few weeks.
...for now, though, I'll wear the other blue. ;D
I think the silver lining is dook played their A+ game and NC sucked, but NC was still in it very late (cut it to 5 a couple of times, but couldn't turn the corner defensively). Add in Lawson and some more down to earth shooting by dook (and less tunrnovers by NC) and NC wins.
That style of play is great for a game or 2 - bad for a tournament. I'll stick with my early March exit predictions for Dook. NC has got to start playing just a little D however. The more I watch this year, the more I become convinced that Memphis is better than everyone else.
QuoteQuoteQuote:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
What can I say? They nailed us on the three point line. Can't wait for the rematch in a few weeks.
...for now, though, I'll wear the other blue. ;D
I think the silver lining is dook played their A+ game and NC sucked, but NC was still in it very late (cut it to 5 a couple of times, but couldn't turn the corner defensively). Add in Lawson and some more down to earth shooting by dook (and less tunrnovers by NC) and NC wins.
That style of play is great for a game or 2 - bad for a tournament. I'll stick with my early March exit predictions for Dook. NC has got to start playing just a little D however. The more I watch this year, the more I become convinced that Memphis is better than everyone else.
You're right. Duke will probably only win one or two games this year. ::)
Hater.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
What can I say? They nailed us on the three point line. Can't wait for the rematch in a few weeks.
...for now, though, I'll wear the other blue. ;D
I think the silver lining is dook played their A+ game and NC sucked, but NC was still in it very late (cut it to 5 a couple of times, but couldn't turn the corner defensively). Add in Lawson and some more down to earth shooting by dook (and less tunrnovers by NC) and NC wins.
That style of play is great for a game or 2 - bad for a tournament. I'll stick with my early March exit predictions for Dook. NC has got to start playing just a little D however. The more I watch this year, the more I become convinced that Memphis is better than everyone else.
You're right. Duke will probably only win one or two games this year. ::)
Hater.
Yes, I hate Dook. More than most UNC fans. In the late 90's early 00's Maryland/Dook was a better rivalry than Dook/UNC and nobody's had more success against Krushewsky than the talented Mr. Williams.
My point is this: That style will work over the course of a season; they're basically the Dook Suns this year. But in post-season action against talented teams when you start gripping it a little tighter, the shots won't come or fall as easily. A team with size and a shooter will give Dook fits (See UNC at full strength, Kansas, Memphis...). No way Dook goes past the sweet 16 this year.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
What can I say? They nailed us on the three point line. Can't wait for the rematch in a few weeks.
...for now, though, I'll wear the other blue. ;D
I think the silver lining is dook played their A+ game and NC sucked, but NC was still in it very late (cut it to 5 a couple of times, but couldn't turn the corner defensively). Add in Lawson and some more down to earth shooting by dook (and less tunrnovers by NC) and NC wins.
That style of play is great for a game or 2 - bad for a tournament. I'll stick with my early March exit predictions for Dook. NC has got to start playing just a little D however. The more I watch this year, the more I become convinced that Memphis is better than everyone else.
You're right. Duke will probably only win one or two games this year. ::)
Hater.
There's no denying the fact that Duke hasn't made it past the sweet 16 in 5 of the last 6 years (or 6 of the last 7...it's one of those). Remember when they were ranked #1 the whole year in the '06 season? They had the best 3 point shooter ever (JJ) and one of the best big men in the country (sheldon). Then, come tourney time, they choke.
I'm not saying it's going to happen this year, but according to the last few years, it happens often.
Dammit, I hate this avatar ;)
true, true. But that is one damn fine avatar there, GGG.
I know all-too-well the "live by the three, die by the three" theory. My other team, U of Louisville's theory is "win with the three". As a theory it's a bit fly-by-night, but we all know that teams that like to fire up threes are dangerous if they are hot going into the tourney (instead of cold like duke in 06) .
OMG...
2 overtimes?!? I'm going to die of a heart attack before this season is over.
i felt bad for clemson---!! great game!
also, tough loss for OSU yesterday--we just couldn't hang w/the hoosiers--at least our big men couldn't--first TN then IN---
QuoteOMG...
2 overtimes?!? I'm going to die of a heart attack before this season is over.
I can not believe that we (Maryland) were that close to being 2nd in the ACC after our start. You guys have got to start playing some D. That was a very good game - I think you just ruined Clemson - I would be very surprised if they can shake that one off.
Dook Wed. for my boys at the indoor stadium. Isn't an indoor stadium called an arena? Predictions for the wacky antics of "Cameron Crazies": They'll make fun of Osby's hair. They'll make fun of Gist's cornrows. They'll do something in spanish for Vazquez. Maybe they can re-hash the Herman Veal condom wackiness. They're sooooooooo clever.
Haha, yes, we DO need to start playing better D. That's basically all that's been talked about the entire season. Our defense is so mediocre, it's awful.
Of course I hate your team for ruining our perfect start, but...dammit, I really hope you lay the smackdown on Dook this week. Please? I hate being 7-2 while those assholes are 9-0.
And, yes, an indoor stadium is called an arena. They just need to make themselves feel better, so they call it a stadium.
Halftime score from Nashville:
Vanderbilt- 41
Kentucky- 11
this is so much fun! ;D
By only 1 over UVA???? That's the ACC for you. I'm so tired of hearing about the down year that the ACC is having. We get this screw job every year and only end up getting 4 bids. Put UVA in the Big Ten and they'd be in the middle of the pack.
Dook loses tonight by 10. We've beaten them 4 times this decade in Durham at Cole Field House South (or should that be Comcast Center South).
QuoteBy only 1 over UVA???? That's the ACC for you. I'm so tired of hearing about the down year that the ACC is having. We get this screw job every year and only end up getting 4 bids. Put UVA in the Big Ten and they'd be in the middle of the pack.
Dook loses tonight by 10. We've beaten them 4 times this decade in Durham at Cole Field House South (or should that be Comcast Center South).
Good luck against Duke tonight. Their style of play is only good for one or two games and they've already won 21 so they're probably due for a loss.
I'd like to know the last time the ACC only got four teams in, it was probably the 80s. Last year they had at least six. nice try though.
QuoteQuoteBy only 1 over UVA???? That's the ACC for you. I'm so tired of hearing about the down year that the ACC is having. We get this screw job every year and only end up getting 4 bids. Put UVA in the Big Ten and they'd be in the middle of the pack.
Dook loses tonight by 10. We've beaten them 4 times this decade in Durham at Cole Field House South (or should that be Comcast Center South).
Good luck against Duke tonight. Their style of play is only good for one or two games and they've already won 21 so they're probably due for a loss.
I'd like to know the last time the ACC only got four teams in, it was probably the 80s. Last year they had at least six. nice try though.
Try 2006. If that's not good enough for ya, try 2003. They only got 5 in 2005. I could go on. That's the problem, there's a perception that we get special treatment when we really get shat on year after year.
Ole Miss is spiraling into the abyss that is the NIT :-[
QuoteOle Miss is spiraling into the abyss that is the NIT :-[
That sucks man. I'm a Ut fan and expected big things out of the Rebels this year. I really thought they would get the west this year.
I've just come to grips with the loss to Dook on Wed. No. No I haven't.
QuoteI've just come to grips with the loss to Dook on Wed. No. No I haven't.
Oh yeah, forgot to rub that in. Are there any more predictions you want to make about duke this year, oh wise one? ;D ;D ;D
http://tarheelblue.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/021508aad.html
Can we PLEASE get healthy soon? Someone cursed us. I just know it. :'(
That is what IU gets after ditching The General....... ;)
Poor Ole Miss...unless they make an awesome run in the SEC tourney, it looks like they ARE doomed to the NIT. They had such a great start, it's a shame to see them go down in conference play. I guess they were the Clemson from last year. :-/
Duke lost!!!! Thanks Wake!!
;D ;D ;D
QuoteDuke lost!!!! Thanks Wake!!
;D ;D ;D
The ENTIRE starting 5 for Duke fouled out! I don't like making excuses, but that smells a little fishy. oh well, can't win them all, i guess.
A loss like that gives me at least a little consolation for the awful play of late by my Spartans. We've completely fallen apart! Early in the season we looked like a final four team, now we just look terrible. Hope we can get our shiznit together, ugh!
QuoteQuoteDuke lost!!!! Thanks Wake!!
;D ;D ;D
The ENTIRE starting 5 for Duke fouled out! I don't like making excuses, but that smells a little fishy. oh well, can't win them all, i guess.
Yeah, but they were 8-28 from the field. Jon Scheyer had ZERO points during the 27 minutes he played. There were a lot of factors. Wake would've won the game anyway, but it does suck that all the starters fouled out so now Coach K can blame the game on the refs. And so can every dook fan. ::)
Still, being 22-2 isn't bad ;)
Dook crying about refs is silly. They had 10 fouls in the last 5 minutes, once they were down by 9, and seeing how WF is about a 65% FT team, it makes sense to foul them a lot to put them on the line. When you're up by 9, you don't foul; when you're down by 9, you foul. And it's not like there was a huge discrepancy, until you get into the late game fouling. At 5 minutes, WF had 20 fouls and Dook had 21.
plus, Sheyer was 10 off his avg; Henderson was 6 off his avg;
and you got out rebounded by 8
Dook can't even be 22-2 without crying about something. Give me a break.
Dook fans crying about the refs - Isn't ironic, don't ya think - I't like raaaaEEEEEEEiiiinnnn on your wedding day, it's a green light when you're allready late (wait, none of that is irony, just bummers; hmmm.....).
Most projections still say the ACC only gets 4 in. If true, that would be 3 times in 6 years. It just ain't right. Our last place team beat Arizona. Wake and Miami are starting to make people think though...
QuoteIsn't ironic, don't ya think - I't like raaaaEEEEEEEiiiinnnn on your wedding day, it's a green light when you're allready late (wait, none of that is irony, just bummers; hmmm.....).
pretty sure it's a red light, not a green light (but I never was a big Fiona Apple fan anyways...)
That's Alanis Morrisette.
QuoteThat's Alanis Morrisette.
yeah, well, sometimes sarcasm isn't so quick to pick up in the written form.
That's ironic...
OK, Saturday night it's #1 Memphis State vs. #2 Tennessee in Memphis.
I have to go with Memphis State (they will always be Memphis State to me) here. I don't see a lot of impressive wins on the UT side (outside of that 2 point home win over Ole Miss and Vanderbilt), and Memphis has beaten Connecticut and Georgetown (plus USC and Arizona), plus when Memphis State turns it on, there is no one better.
We'll all get a great look at Rose and Douglas-Roberts (but I really like watching Lofton for UT).
(how's that for excessive use of parenthesis ( ie, speaking parenthtically)?)
REALLY looking forward to this matchup. I've caught Memphis (State) a couple of times when they've played in conference and I really haven't been all that impressed...especially after they squeaked by UAB this past weekend.
The same goes for UT though. I really haven't been too impressed in the games that I've seen, but I know that when it comes down to it, both teams are incredible when they are playing 100%...which is where I expect both teams to be when they match up this weekend.
let's go BOILERMAKERS!!!
I'm with you on that one...Sampson is a creep and I don't think much better of DJ White or Gordon.
I just hope Tennessee and Memphis take care of business tonight. That would be one hell of a letdown if one of them slipped.
we are pretty much out of it (buckeyes) but we'll be back next year.
Quotewe are pretty much out of it (buckeyes) but we'll be back next year.
nah, they could make a push in the last part of the season and get in. They're still in fifth place in the big ten I think. That should put them on the bubble.
Too bad about Indiana. At least we know that we won't have to face them in the post season. ;D ;D ;D
I predict that Tulane beats Memphis tonight and Memphis takes out Tenn this weekend.
QuoteI'm with you on that one...Sampson is a creep and I don't think much better of DJ White or Gordon.
That's fine for DJ white, but why Gordon? In every interview I've seen, he really seems genuine in his love for the game, doesn't act thuggish, is polite, and on top of that is AWESOME at playing point guard. I have nothing but respect for this kid.
He's definitely a player but I get irritated at how much he seems to get away with...against Illinois he got away with a couple travels and non-foul calls and then seemed amazed when they called him for a foul. He's not very demonstrative but I just get a sense of arrogance from him. Not that it's not warranted, the kid can play...I also don't care for the last minute switch from Illinois and wonder if there might have been something un-ethical going on to help make that happen.
DJ White has been acting like he was God's gift to bball for years and only this year has he been consistently good, and I'm not even sure about that. Stupid Brent Musberger or Lavin said during the game the other night something about him being POY...yea right.
I really thought Purdue would beat them, they're playing really well right now. It didn't surprise me that MSU didn't beat them, we're playing like poo-poo right now.
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DJ White has been acting like he was God's gift to bball for years and only this year has he been consistently good, and I'm not even sure about that. Stupid Brent Musberger or Lavin said during the game the other night something about him being POY...yea right.
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Oh my God. I was cursing the TV so much last night. It WAS Lavin who kept saying that DJ White should be POTY every time the kid touched the ball. What a bunch of shit. Anyone in the know KNOWS that it's between Beasley and Hansbrough at this point. Lavin is a douche.
douche might be an understatement...and Musberger says the dumbest things, to me he's worse than Billy Packer, but then I'm not an SEC fan.
We'll see tonight if my beloved coach Izzo can turn this team around and get us back to early season form against fearsome Penn State. At least he'll be coaching his own damn team.
QuoteQuoteI'm with you on that one...Sampson is a creep and I don't think much better of DJ White or Gordon.
That's fine for DJ white, but why Gordon? In every interview I've seen, he really seems genuine in his love for the game, doesn't act thuggish, is polite, and on top of that is AWESOME at playing point guard. I have nothing but respect for this kid.
I am really impressed with the super freshmen this year: Eric Gordon, Derrick Rose, Kevin Love, Michael Beasley (and more). They all seem to carry themselves with a lot of intergrity, sort of like how Durant and Oden did last year. Remember, these are just kids, who have a lot of people waving a lot of cash in their faces. I work with a guy who played 4 years at a mid major university and he said all the pllayers get cash and benefits under the table. I asked him who he trusted most, of all the adults he came in contact with during his 4 years and he said the only person he felt had his best interest at heart was the chaplain. Sort of sad...
The days of these guys simply being basketball players are over. Now they are commodities with huge sums of cash potential and everyone and their mother trying to cash in. End of rant...
QuoteI predict that Tulane beats Memphis tonight and Memphis takes out Tenn this weekend.
Told you so. That was MD's first bad loss since I switched to the Len Bias avatar. One more and I'll break out Exree Hipp.
I AM very glad that Dook has now lost 2 in a row...I can smell that #1 east seeding now. 8-)
looks like Ole Miss will be one of the few 20 win major conference temas (maybe the only) in the NIT. We have a young team (10 fresh/sophs) and we'll be back, but we're just not consistently good.
Unless we get an impressive upset in the SEC tourney... ::)
If Texas wins tonight I think you can lock them up for a #1 seed in the tourney. Impressive wins against Tennessee, Kansas, UCLA and only two losses in conference. Augustin is a flat out stud. Rick Barnes is underestimated as a coach. Think they may be my darkhouse when it comes time to fill out my bracket ;)
QuoteIf Texas wins tonight I think you can lock them up for a #1 seed in the tourney. Impressive wins against Tennessee, Kansas, UCLA and only two losses in conference. Augustin is a flat out stud. Rick Barnes is underestimated as a coach. Think they may be my darkhouse when it comes time to fill out my bracket ;)
I don't think a number 1 seed can be considered a dark horse. just saying...
March is right around the corner and so far most of the teams I'm rooting for are in pretty good position. UofL's in, Purdue's in, OSU is on the bubble, and Duke is fighting for a number 1 seed. This should be fun. Are we going to do brackets again this year so you all can avenge your loss last year to yours truly!?!
See you in the NIT Tracy - maybe we'll play in the finals. We're # 66!!!!!!!!!!!
Vanderbilt beats Tennessee tonight.
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Wouldn't mind if they accomplished that, Tracy. Barring an upset against BC this weekend, Carolina would slip NICELY into the #1 spot...at least in the coaches poll.
It should be an exciting game though. And, hey, 2 weeks until selection sunday...MADDNESS!! (Yeah, I've started adding the 2nd 'd' too)
We're in! Unless we lose to Clemson on Sunday. Then, "We're on the bubble!"
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(Don't jinx yourself, BoS!)
But, yeah, if Maryland doesn't get in, it would be kind of wierd.
As a side note, we haven't really had a Player of the Year discussion yet. Who is everyones pick?
Obviously, I'm going to go with Tyler Hansbrough - but not just because he plays for the Tar Heels.
The numbers he puts up are less than Beasley's, BUT, he's putting those up while having an EXCELLENT supporting crew that scores plenty by themselves. Beasley plays for a mediocre team, and thus, puts up numbers like he does quite easily since noone else on the team is in the same ballpark as he is.
Any other votes?
Steve Lavin thinks it should be DJ White...he's a douche.
even though I am not at all a heels fan, hansbrough is the guy this year
Finally! Sweet revenge and about time we played to (or above) our potential. Now the question is can we keep it up! It's amazing what happens when Eric Gordon and DJ White don't get the BS calls they've gotten most of the year!
http://msuspartans.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/030208aaa.html
What a game that was! Indiana beatdown. If MSU could play like that all year, you guys would be unstoppable.
No doubt about it, I think we shot 85% in the first half! Maybe Indiana was getting the return on the karma they built up by winning all those close games they should have lost like in Illinois.
Here's hoping for continued blazing hot shooting, the cure for all ills!
I agree with you that eric gordan gets away with a lot! During the Purdue game he would just lower his head and bowl over the closest person and get to the line. that's not how bball should be. i'm glad msu won even though it would be better for purdue if they had lost, probably.
I think Purdue is going to win the Big Ten anyway, they are a tough team...as a matter of fact Izzo picked them to win the Big Ten in the preseason, apparently he knew what he was talking about. Very solid team.
So, Tennessee wins the SEC title.
Wisconsin shares the Big Ten title.
Louisville and Georgetown play to decide the big east title.
And finally...
the REMATCH HAPPENS SATURDAY TO DECIDE THE ACC TITLE!!!!!!!!!
QuoteI think Purdue is going to win the Big Ten anyway, they are a tough team...as a matter of fact Izzo picked them to win the Big Ten in the preseason, apparently he knew what he was talking about. Very solid team.
Looks like we prevented them from doing that! (OSU wins in OT). too bad i think we need to beat MSU just to get in the tourny (although i suspect we'll get in anyway). MSU was indeed unbelievable against IND. wisky wins the big ten and i guess i'm glad because they're making up for what they should have done in football.
Wisconsin had a good, maybe great year, but Purdue should be the Big Ten winner. Wisconsin benefitted from a favorable schedule...Purdue beat them twice (home and away) and had a tougher overall schedule. Wisconsin didn't have to play us (MSU) at our place, Purdue did. Wisky barely beat Indiana, basically Brian Butch hit a lucky bank shot 3 pointer...eesh.
The Big Ten needs to work on their scheduling, its not equitable.
QuoteWisconsin had a good, maybe great year, but Purdue should be the Big Ten winner. Wisconsin benefitted from a favorable schedule...Purdue beat them twice (home and away) and had a tougher overall schedule. Wisconsin didn't have to play us (MSU) at our place, Purdue did. Wisky barely beat Indiana, basically Brian Butch hit a lucky bank shot 3 pointer...eesh.
The Big Ten needs to work on their scheduling, its not equitable.
Thanks for making my point for me.
But it doesn't matter as much as it used to since they started the conference tourney. I just hope that PU gets the same or better seed WISC does.
OSU's win over PU was huge, maybe enough to get them in.
Great basketball on tomorrow: UofL vs Georgetown for the regular season Big East Championship @ noon and Duke vs UNC part deux @ 9! Another one to watch is Memphis vs UAB part deux, could be interesting the way the first one ended.
Duke vs NC part 2
let's hear it GGG, prediction
QuoteDuke vs NC part 2
let's hear it GGG, prediction
I truly believe, that in the the last 2 or 3 weeks, Carolina has been playing their best basketball of the season. We have built depth at the PG position (Q has been GREAT) and with Ty back, it takes some pressure off of the outside guy. Ellington AND Green have been shooting (and making) more 3's since the 1st game and Hansbrough...well he does what he does.
We have momentum, we are much healthier than last time AND we have won at Cameron I.S. the last 2 times. I like our chances. Hopefully we'll go in #1 and STAY #1.
Dook 75
UNC 80
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;D ;D ;D ;D
Look for Payton Manning in the corner of this picture ;)
(Go Heels)
BTW, Tracy, do you think Ole Miss has a shot to get to the tourney now? I've heard some predictions that they could be on the good side of the bubble in a week or so.
QuoteBTW, Tracy, do you think Ole Miss has a shot to get to the tourney now? I've heard some predictions that they could be on the good side of the bubble in a week or so.
my guess is they have to win
2 in the SEC tourney. It's possible. We could have easily beaten Tennesse plus we beat Florida, Vanderbilt, Arkansas and Mississippi St. (all at home, though).
No matter what anyone says, it
is a down year for the SEC. And I reference that argument for people saying Kentucky deserves to get in b/c of their SEC record. Sorry, but losses to Gardner-Webb, UAB, and San Diego (all at home) do not outweigh a good SEC record. But they are Kentucky.... :-/
QuoteQuoteBTW, Tracy, do you think Ole Miss has a shot to get to the tourney now? I've heard some predictions that they could be on the good side of the bubble in a week or so.
my guess is they have to win 2 in the SEC tourney. It's possible. We could have easily beaten Tennesse plus we beat Florida, Vanderbilt, Arkansas and Mississippi St. (all at home, though).
No matter what anyone says, it is a down year for the SEC. And I reference that argument for people saying Kentucky deserves to get in b/c of their SEC record. Sorry, but losses to Gardner-Webb, UAB, and San Diego (all at home) do not outweigh a good SEC record. But they are Kentucky.... :-/
This is a brutal bubble year. I think KY/FL was an elimination game and that KY will go, FL will not, and I just don't know what to say about your boys. This all changes if either you or FL reaches the SEC semis. We're out - you can't end the season by blowing a 20 point second-half lead at home to Clemson and follow that up by losing a must-win game at Virginia and get in. Now if we get to the ACC semis, meaning we'll beat NC State and Duke (probably) I may change my mind.
I love Gary Williams, but Gary!!!! We have to play more than 5 guys, they are tired at the end of the game.
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SO, does anyone wanna do brackets online again this year? I can set up a group for us through yahoo. At least I think I could figure it out. anyone interested?
(I realize many of you may think it's futile to sign up since I'm gonna win just like I did last year anyway, but it might be fun to see how you do against everyone else! ;) )
count me in :)
Hell yeah, I'm in.
QuoteQuoteQuoteBy only 1 over UVA???? That's the ACC for you. I'm so tired of hearing about the down year that the ACC is having. We get this screw job every year and only end up getting 4 bids. Put UVA in the Big Ten and they'd be in the middle of the pack.
Dook loses tonight by 10. We've beaten them 4 times this decade in Durham at Cole Field House South (or should that be Comcast Center South).
Good luck against Duke tonight. Their style of play is only good for one or two games and they've already won 21 so they're probably due for a loss.
I'd like to know the last time the ACC only got four teams in, it was probably the 80s. Last year they had at least six. nice try though.
Try 2006. If that's not good enough for ya, try 2003. They only got 5 in 2005. I could go on. That's the problem, there's a perception that we get special treatment when we really get shat on year after year.
2008. And no, I'm not bitching about Maryland - we didn't deserve the NIT bid, but Va Tech?
You're right. I'll concede that. I am a big ten man but I love ACC basketball. I'll amend my statement by saying they SHOULD get at 6 teams in every year.
I had a few teams not make it in, unfortunately. most obviosuly Ohio State and also Dayton, who really should have been in over Arizona or Kentucky.