This is not meant to be a long winded political discussion site( But I guess if you want to state your views, that's ok). More of an informal poll.
I'm thinking Barack
Barack all the way.
Why do I see this thread being 7 pages long?
Barack
i agree with almost all of Obama's views. from health care to iraq to the war on drugs. its time we have a fresh face in the white house that hasnt gotten into the corruption and dishonesty that goes on in washington (although, everyone is involved to some degree, some not as much as others). he reminds me of JFK i guess. i also dont agree with a monarchy which has been going on in this country since 1980. there has been a bush or clinton in the white house since then.
he's better than JFK--
i agree w/almost none of his policies (40% capital gains tax?) BUT i think he's going to be good for the morale--(which leads to a better economy, foreign relations, etc)
i'm still pretty much undecided but I'm leaning towards Hilary just because she's been there before and knows what she's getting into. It really doesn't matter what I think though because I'm registered independent. I think that should mean I could vote in both primaries but unfortunately it means I can't vote in either.
Barack all the way. Now, if only I was allowed to vote.
I most definitely am pulling for Barack. Hillary cannot be trusted.
QuoteI most definitely am pulling for Barack. Hillary cannot be trusted.
And she was a member of the board of Wal-mart, thus never getting my endorsement
QuoteBarack all the way. Now, if only I was allowed to vote.
How much do canadiens follow american politics? I can honestly say we don't know shit about canada.
QuoteQuoteBarack all the way. Now, if only I was allowed to vote.
How much do canadiens follow american politics? I can honestly say we don't know shit about canada.
Speak for yourself, I know plenty. They got round bacon, most of the population lives down here on Clearwater Beach during the winter (we beg of you to please leave the Speedos at home next year), and they pronounce the letters "ou" with an oooo sound. So there.
QuoteQuoteQuoteBarack all the way. Now, if only I was allowed to vote.
How much do canadiens follow american politics? I can honestly say we don't know shit about canada.
Speak for yourself, I know plenty. They got round bacon, most of the population lives down here on Clearwater Beach during the winter (we beg of you to please leave the Speedos at home next year), and they pronounce the letters "ou" with an oooo sound. So there.
;D ;D
QuoteQuoteI most definitely am pulling for Barack. Hillary cannot be trusted.
And she was a member of the board of Wal-mart, thus never getting my endorsement
Anybody remember Vince Foster?
Barack would have just as much on him, if not more, if he had done anything up to this point. He hasn't even served a full term as a senator. He wrote a book and speaks very well, that qualifies him to be a motivational speaker, not leader of the free world. It's easy to have no dirt in your past when you haven't done anything in your past. just saying.
Also, I would like the idea of a washington outsider coming in and changing things if it were actually viable, but the establishment is so "established" that no new kid on the block is going to be able to coming in and changes things without facing MAJOR resistance. Hilary would at least have some chance of changing some things for the better from within the system.
QuoteQuoteBarack all the way. Now, if only I was allowed to vote.
How much do canadiens follow american politics? I can honestly say we don't know shit about canada.
I can say without any doubt that Canadians follow American politics almost as much as Americans (moreso depending on the region and/or state). We know you better than any other country in the world by a mile (or 1.3 kilometres). Everything the U.S. does affects Canadians, and in particular political policies and leaders. I know that if Canadians could, Barak and/or Hillary would get most of our votes.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI most definitely am pulling for Barack. Hillary cannot be trusted.
And she was a member of the board of Wal-mart, thus never getting my endorsement
Anybody remember Vince Foster?
;D I've mentioned him several times, but sadly, not too many people are hip to Hillary killing Vince apparently (or at least having a hand in it)...if you happen to subscribe to that conspiracy theory.
QuoteQuoteQuoteBarack all the way. Now, if only I was allowed to vote.
How much do canadiens follow american politics? I can honestly say we don't know shit about canada.
Speak for yourself, I know plenty. They got round bacon, most of the population lives down here on Clearwater Beach during the winter (we beg of you to please leave the Speedos at home next year), and they pronounce the letters "ou" with an oooo sound. So there.
Are you sure the speedo-wearers aren't Europeans? We Canucks find speedos as repugnant as you Yanks do - although I count for Quebec "snowbirds". We also have the regular kind of bacon and we don't call back-bacon or pemeal bacon "Canadian bacon" like you folks do. As for the "ou" with an "oooo" sound, well that's sort of true as a basic and simple generalization depending on what part of the country you are from. That sort of inflection seems to me more prevelant in rural areas and with older generations. We don't say "eh" that much anymore either... I tell you what (there's an Americanism for ya).
barack please
QuoteBarack would have just as much on him, if not more, if he had done anything up to this point. He hasn't even served a full term as a senator. He wrote a book and speaks very well, that qualifies him to be a motivational speaker, not leader of the free world. It's easy to have no dirt in your past when you haven't done anything in your past. just saying.
Also, I would like the idea of a washington outsider coming in and changing things if it were actually viable, but the establishment is so "established" that no new kid on the block is going to be able to coming in and changes things without facing MAJOR resistance. Hilary would at least have some chance of changing some things for the better from within the system.
or maybe he is not a crook? well as much as a politician can not be anyway. maybe the reason why he doesnt have some shady spots in his past is because he doesnt involve himself in those type activities.
QuoteQuoteBarack would have just as much on him, if not more, if he had done anything up to this point. He hasn't even served a full term as a senator. He wrote a book and speaks very well, that qualifies him to be a motivational speaker, not leader of the free world. It's easy to have no dirt in your past when you haven't done anything in your past. just saying.
Also, I would like the idea of a washington outsider coming in and changing things if it were actually viable, but the establishment is so "established" that no new kid on the block is going to be able to coming in and changes things without facing MAJOR resistance. Hilary would at least have some chance of changing some things for the better from within the system.
or maybe he is not a crook? well as much as a politician can not be anyway. maybe the reason why he doesnt have some shady spots in his past is because he doesnt involve himself in those type activities.
if by "those type activities" you mean politics, you're right he hasn't. give him another term or two in the senate he'll have some dirt. i hate to be so cynical but we are talking politics.
QuoteQuoteQuoteBarack would have just as much on him, if not more, if he had done anything up to this point. He hasn't even served a full term as a senator. He wrote a book and speaks very well, that qualifies him to be a motivational speaker, not leader of the free world. It's easy to have no dirt in your past when you haven't done anything in your past. just saying.
Also, I would like the idea of a washington outsider coming in and changing things if it were actually viable, but the establishment is so "established" that no new kid on the block is going to be able to coming in and changes things without facing MAJOR resistance. Hilary would at least have some chance of changing some things for the better from within the system.
or maybe he is not a crook? well as much as a politician can not be anyway. maybe the reason why he doesnt have some shady spots in his past is because he doesnt involve himself in those type activities.
if by "those type activities" you mean politics, you're right he hasn't. give him another term or two in the senate he'll have some dirt. i hate to be so cynical but we are talking politics.
yeah man. i agree. there is no such thing as clean politics. its like GE saying they have invented clean burning coal. politicians are politicians, just like sulfur is sulfur. its all dirty no matter how you burn it.
I agree with absolutely everything aMD has said. Could not have put it better myself. Perfection.
It's complicated - I'm voting for Barack in the primary, but I am a huge Hillary fan and I will be thrilled to vote for her in the general if she's the nominee.
For the record: Whitewater was a bogus land deal that LOST money for the Clintons. There was no Whitewater scandal. Kenneth Starr and his many, many minions spent many many years and many many millions trying to prove otherwise. The Starr Report exonerated the Clintons on both Whitewater and any involvement in Vince Foster's death (which was alleged to be part of a coverup for Whitewater.) Kenneth Starr, people. You don't get more viciously partisan than that.
This ugliness has got to stop. She does not deserve it.
Barack. Hillary brings up her husband too often.
Neither one can be trusted...I am voting for Jim. ;D
Does it not concern anyone else that no one is talking about the environment?!!?!!
Seriously, we're raping the earth & our children are FUCKED!!!
On a slightly lighter note..."Lately I've been listening to a lot of Jay-Z...honestly, I love the art of Hip-Hop." Barack Obama
QuoteBarack would have just as much on him, if not more, if he had done anything up to this point. He hasn't even served a full term as a senator. He wrote a book and speaks very well, that qualifies him to be a motivational speaker, not leader of the free world. It's easy to have no dirt in your past when you haven't done anything in your past. just saying.
Also, I would like the idea of a washington outsider coming in and changing things if it were actually viable, but the establishment is so "established" that no new kid on the block is going to be able to coming in and changes things without facing MAJOR resistance. Hilary would at least have some chance of changing some things for the better from within the system.
i doubt that she'll be able to get anything done in Congress---if she's elected, the country will divide further apart than it already is, congress will turn over (like it did when her husband was in office) and she won't be able to do anything? you don't have to have some kind of expertise to become president--that's why you have an advisor for every topic and you select your cabinet wisely---what better quality in a president than being a good speaker? people want to be inspired and motivated---even if it's just for a few min because in the end, NOTHING will change that much because people want to maintain the status quo. you say an outsider can't change anything, but at least you've got a shot---w/the others (mccain and hillary) you've got NOTHING but more of the same...a lot of animosity, party divide--w/obama you've got rhetoric accompanied by hope (i am a registered republican btw)
Well, so far it's Barack.
He has 80% of the vote on our little poll. I wonder if that is representaive. I'll bet we're as good as all of the other predictors! (Of course, 3 of the votes so far, can't vote in the U.S. election, but we still love your enthusiasm).
DB, check this out:
http://www.grist.org/news/muck/2004/08/04/griscom-obama/index.html
and this:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/
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QuoteOn a slightly lighter note..."Lately I've been listening to a lot of Jay-Z...honestly, I love the art of Hip-Hop." Barack Obama
seriously, I think I'm voting Green party, but I like knowing that. :)
QuoteDoes it not concern anyone else that no one is talking about the environment?!!?!!
Seriously, we're raping the earth & our children are FUCKED!!!
This is exactly why i wish Mr. Gore was running. but unfortunately we have to take what is given to us. i think obama would do more for the environment than clinton simply because she has just as many energy companies, drug companies and such in her back pocket as well.
I voted for Obama in the primaries (Alabama). But I'm not ecstatic about it. I would vote third party again (I have for some time), but there just isn't any really attractive candidates from there.
Hey Drunkre. Nice to see you!
QuoteI agree with absolutely everything aMD has said. Could not have put it better myself. Perfection.
I think I like you. :-*
Happy Valentine's Day
QuoteQuoteDoes it not concern anyone else that no one is talking about the environment?!!?!!
Seriously, we're raping the earth & our children are FUCKED!!!
This is exactly why i wish Mr. Gore was running. but unfortunately we have to take what is given to us. i think obama would do more for the environment than clinton simply because she has just as many energy companies, drug companies and such in her back pocket as well.
Disclaimer: I'm not a US citizen, so this is probably none of my business.
I can't believe that Gore is now hailed as some sort of environmental activist. I mean, he was VP of the USA for 8 years and did precisely fuck all about climate change when he was in a position to do something about it. Gore rant over.
From a foreign perspective, anyone is better than Dubya, and any Democrat ranks above the GOP. Obama seems light on foreign policy knowledge, though, and maybe the best bet is a joint Clinton/Obama ticket, with Obama stepping up after the first term...
Whoever's in charge, the US is always going to be the environmental dunce unless it accepts that it has to reduce per capita CO2 emissions, even if it affects the economy. TANSTAAFL...
Oh, and the EU and other developed nations also have to do way more in this regard also - I'm not America-bashing for the sake of it.
QuoteQuoteQuoteDoes it not concern anyone else that no one is talking about the environment?!!?!!
Seriously, we're raping the earth & our children are FUCKED!!!
This is exactly why i wish Mr. Gore was running. but unfortunately we have to take what is given to us. i think obama would do more for the environment than clinton simply because she has just as many energy companies, drug companies and such in her back pocket as well.
Disclaimer: I'm not a US citizen, so this is probably none of my business.
I can't believe that Gore is now hailed as some sort of environmental activist. I mean, he was VP of the USA for 8 years and did precisely fuck all about climate change when he was in a position to do something about it. Gore rant over.
From a foreign perspective, anyone is better than Dubya, and any Democrat ranks above the GOP. Obama seems light on foreign policy knowledge, though, and maybe the best bet is a joint Clinton/Obama ticket, with Obama stepping up after the first term...
Whoever's in charge, the US is always going to be the environmental dunce unless it accepts that it has to reduce per capita CO2 emissions, even if it affects the economy. TANSTAAFL...
Oh, and the EU and other developed nations also have to do way more in this regard also - I'm not America-bashing for the sake of it.
i disagree. i think Mr. Gore's opinions were basically swept under the rug while he was VP. that is why after winning-losing the election in 2000, he got out of politics completely and decided to focus on the environment. i think he realized that being involved in politics, such as being VP gives one less of a chance to voice his passion unless it involves making dirty money. instead he was forced to go along with the agenda that did not include helping the environment. regardless of the timing, he has helped raise environmental awareness to many people. at least someone stepped up and did something that no one else was willing to do. i do agree that many other countries are doing more to help out than the US. of course that has a lot to do with the fact that most politicians in this country would rather have their pockets lined than making sure the planet is not an inhabitable place for generations to come.
to the dems credit, they at least kept the status quo while in office. the bush administration has actually made strides in the wrong direction in the last eight years. It's going to take a lot of work just to undo the damage they have done to environmental policy.
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i disagree. i think Mr. Gore's opinions were basically swept under the rug while he was VP. that is why after winning-losing the election in 2000, he got out of politics completely and decided to focus on the environment. i think he realized that being involved in politics, such as being VP gives one less of a chance to voice his passion unless it involves making dirty money. instead he was forced to go along with the agenda that did not include helping the environment. regardless of the timing, he has helped raise environmental awareness to many people. at least someone stepped up and did something that no one else was willing to do. i do agree that many other countries are doing more to help out than the US. of course that has a lot to do with the fact that most politicians in this country would rather have their pockets lined than making sure the planet is not an inhabitable place for generations to come.
Gore was at Kyoto in 97, and a signatory for the USA, when the US effectively wrecked the whole process. It might be that he disagreed with the stance taken by America, but if so why sign it? I'm not saying that Kyoto was going to save the world, but Gore actively contributed to its toothless nature.
I'm glad he's now saying the right things. It's just that the whole poacher-turned-gamekeeper thing rankles with me.
QuoteWell, so far it's Barack.
He has 80% of the vote on our little poll. I wonder if that is representaive. I'll bet we're as good as all of the other predictors! (Of course, 3 of the votes so far, can't vote in the U.S. election, but we still love your enthusiasm).
DB, check this out:
http://www.grist.org/news/muck/2004/08/04/griscom-obama/index.html
and this:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/
Thanks for these Crazy Love :)
Barack and Roll! ;D
10 wins in a row for Obama!
Anyone change their mind yet?
He also won the abroad vote with 65% of the vote. That's #11
QuoteQuoteI most definitely am pulling for Barack. Hillary cannot be trusted.
And she was a member of the board of Wal-mart, thus never getting my endorsement
word and word!
Neither
From the sounds of the debate last night, it seems like Hillary just might consider V-Pres.
It seems like she might cave just to be on the ticket. I'm all for that! This way we get new ideas, change, and forward thinking with some experience behind it!
It looks like a Win-Win to me :exclamation
QuoteFrom the sounds of the debate last night, it seems like Hillary just might consider V-Pres.
It seems like she might cave just to be on the ticket. I'm all for that! This way we get new ideas, change, and forward thinking with some experience behind it!
It looks like a Win-Win to me :exclamation
i would personally prefer john edwards.....or even better....stephen colbert!
Not too be a downer or even suggest that I'm a politico insider but does it effect anyone else that when the Dems took over Congress they didn't do much to roll back most of the policies set forth by the Bush Administration, much less effect any change in the status quo of the war in Iraq and in some cases, undermine the anti-war movement itself?
I don't see Hilary winning the primary with the current numbers shes showing so if it became down to Obama and McCain I fear middle america would go for McCain at this point unless Barack stared giving details on how he would effect "change." Personally, I prefer Obama and I hope that when he gets the nomination he starts going into specifics because it all sounds good on a base level but there's really no specifics offered and I can't say I have faith in either party. The Bush administration did what it did but the Dems haven't shown any resolve against it so I feel like I'm living in the South Park episode where we're stuck between a douche and a turd sandwich.
My basic point is I have no faith that there's a lick of difference between either party. No matter who wins, the republican or the democrat, I feel the the lobbiests are going to get their way regardless and that's a shame.
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My basic point is I have no faith that there's a lick of difference between either party. No matter who wins, the republican or the democrat, I feel the the lobbiests are going to get their way regardless and that's a shame.
agree. I am going with Obama, the lesser of the 2 evils. The Clintons (and you really cannot seperate the 2, their marriage is one of convienence for political clout to persuade some family values from the left ie, put up with all your husband's bullshit and fooling around for your own safety and comfort and political gain) suck the tit of special interest lobbyists harder than anyone. There's the classic Bill Moyers interview with Elizabeth Warren, the Harvard Law School proffessor who wrote THE TWO INCOME-TRAP: WHY MIDDLE-CLASS MOTHERS AND FATHERS ARE GOING BROKE. The book talks about how the credit card industry works against the middle class. Warren talks about meeting with Hillary in the late 90's, when she was first lady, and Hillary was really concerned about this issue (middle class people living on credit) and Warren schooled Hillary on the issue. Hillary then helped convince Bill to veto a crucial bankruptcy bill that was being pushed through by the credit card lobbyists, and her platform was to stand up for those who could not stand for themselves (sound familiar?). Well, fast forward to Hillary becoming a senator, and she voted
for the exact bancruptcy bill that she got her husband to veto. Why? The credit card lobbyists were lining her pockets and she could not refuse. It's a really interesting interview that exposes Hillary for who she really is: A POLITICIAN.
read it here>>>
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript306_full.html
I happen to agree with the notion that most everything will be the same now that corporations are people and running our country. We are seeing the tip of the iceberg of how capitalism will fail (and it will fail, just like every other great empire that was ever around) and nothing short of a revolution will stop it. I'm going to make sure I enjoy my life in the meantime.
QuoteNot too be a downer or even suggest that I'm a politico insider but does it effect anyone else that when the Dems took over Congress they didn't do much to roll back most of the policies set forth by the Bush Administration, much less effect any change in the status quo of the war in Iraq and in some cases, undermine the anti-war movement itself?
I don't see Hilary winning the primary with the current numbers shes showing so if it became down to Obama and McCain I fear middle america would go for McCain at this point unless Barack stared giving details on how he would effect "change." Personally, I prefer Obama and I hope that when he gets the nomination he starts going into specifics because it all sounds good on a base level but there's really no specifics offered and I can't say I have faith in either party. The Bush administration did what it did but the Dems haven't shown any resolve against it so I feel like I'm living in the South Park episode where we're stuck between a douche and a turd sandwich.
My basic point is I have no faith that there's a lick of difference between either party. No matter who wins, the republican or the democrat, I feel the the lobbiests are going to get their way regardless and that's a shame.
Dude, you nailed it.
blaaaaaah. i don't care for either barack or hilary.
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My basic point is I have no faith that there's a lick of difference between either party. No matter who wins, the republican or the democrat, I feel the the lobbiests are going to get their way regardless and that's a shame.
i second this emotion.
"I'll show you politics in America. Here it is, right here. 'I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.' 'I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking.' 'Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets!'"--Bill Hicks
Quoteblaaaaaah. i don't care for either barack or hilary.
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My basic point is I have no faith that there's a lick of difference between either party. No matter who wins, the republican or the democrat, I feel the the lobbiests are going to get their way regardless and that's a shame.
i second this emotion.
"I'll show you politics in America. Here it is, right here. 'I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.' 'I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking.' 'Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets!'"--Bill Hicks
Maybe. But actually, no - they are very, very different. Had Gore pulled through in 2000, the world would be a drastically different place. Many, many people who are not alive now, would in fact still be alive, and that's a big deal. A big difference.
I have many politically disillusioned friends. Many of them voted for Nader in 2000 - the first election any of us could vote in. Now a bit older and wiser, a lot of 'em wish they could eat that vote, 'cause they went in saying, "whatever, it doesn't matter, they're all the same." And look where we are now.
These are not perfect choices, I agree. Everyone's pretty dirty with special interests. The system itself is kinda broken. I get it. But to say that the parties aren't different? Drastically different choices on judges, on tax policy, health care, definitely on national security, on diplomacy...
Please - hold your nose. Make a choice. It makes a difference.
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These are not perfect choices, I agree. Everyone's pretty dirty with special interests. The system itself is kinda broken. I get it. But to say that the parties aren't different? Drastically different choices on judges, on tax policy, health care, definitely on national security, on diplomacy...
You are correct, there are differences in which special interest lobbyists and corporations run both parties. I agree.
I am neither a democrat nor a republican, and I voted for Nader in 2000 and I might just vote for him again since he has announced he is running this year. You know, if Nader gets 5% of the vote then his party (Green) will qualify for federally distributed public funding. That was the goal in 200 but he only got 2.74%. So, are we going to sit back again and follow the Dems and Reps blindly, or is it time for a 3rd party? Aren't we all sick of having the lesser of 2 evils? Well?
Good luck to you. I appreciate everything Nader has done for this country. The seatbelt in my car has saved my life twice now, and I have nothing but my undying gratitude to him for that.
But again, if you are comparing the Bush Administration to a hypothetical Obama administration and honestly saying, "Y'know I don't see any difference." I think you are out of your mind (respectfully.)
QuoteGood luck to you. I appreciate everything Nader has done for this country. The seatbelt in my car has saved my life twice now, and I have nothing but my undying gratitude to him for that.
But again, if you are comparing the Bush Administration to a hypothetical Obama administration and honestly saying, "Y'know I don't see any difference." I think you are out of your mind (respectfully.)
well thank you bridget :) Nothing says, "I respect your opinion" more than, "I think you are out of your mind". That is some familiar "political discourse" that I think our country is sick of (at least I am).
Sorry, but I doubt your sincerity about your "respect" about my opinion (especially since you inferred some "hypothetical Obama administration" into the equation
that I said nothing about).
I respect your opinion and I don't think you are "out of your mind". I would challenge you to see all sides of the argument, though, not just yours.
PEACE
QuoteQuoteGood luck to you. I appreciate everything Nader has done for this country. The seatbelt in my car has saved my life twice now, and I have nothing but my undying gratitude to him for that.
But again, if you are comparing the Bush Administration to a hypothetical Obama administration and honestly saying, "Y'know I don't see any difference." I think you are out of your mind (respectfully.)
well thank you bridget :) Nothing says, "I respect your opinion" more than, "I think you are out of your mind". That is some familiar "political discourse" that I think our country is sick of (at least I am).
Sorry, but I doubt your sincerity about your "respect" about my opinion (especially since you inferred some "hypothetical Obama administration" into the equation that I said nothing about).
I respect your opinion and I don't think you are "out of your mind". I would challenge you to see all sides of the argument, though, not just yours.
PEACE
Nope, I meant what I said sincerely. I sincerely, Respectfully, recognize your right to your opinion. I'm saying I don't understand how you came to that conclusion. It doesn't make sense to me in a real-world context. And I'm sorry if the language I used was flip and rude - as I re-read it now, it was, and I appologize.
But also, as I reread the exchange, you
did infer a hypothetical Obama administration, because you said you have looked at the choices this election has to offer and you don't see any difference, it's all corrupt and beyond repair, it's all more of the same, the lesser of two evils, etc... Obama is the likely Democratic nominee. He is exactly one half of who you are talking about in making those statements.
Admittedly, I have a hard time separating emotion from this topic. 200 people in Florida and the world would be a different place. I respect your right to be disillusioned with the 2 party system - the system under which the next president will be chosen. I believe you have come to that opinion honestly and thoughtfully. It's just that that position, at this critical time, makes me nervous, makes me sad.
I suppose that's my problem, not yours.
Peace to you, Tracy. On this lovely Sunday.
Rant alert! :P
we are where we are now. There is no "if Barak Obama were in office instead of Bush" and there is no "if Gore were president during 9-11". There is right now.
And right now, we need a 3rd party that is not corrupted by the deep pockets of the corporate elites and lobbyists. And it will never start as long as the republicans and Democrats are spending all their time hating each other. I mean, I know lib and cons who truly hate each other and the sad thing is they have more in common that differences.
Did you know the George Bush has apponited more women and minorities to high level positions of power than any president in US history?
Did you know that Al Gore's carbon footprint is about 10x the size of every member of this forum combined? (or greater)
I feel we need a drastic change and voting for the next corporate puppet is not the answer. I am looking years down the road, think 2050, and it starts with a 3rd party. The Dems and Reps like this conflict b/c neither one has to change, really. The conflict maintains the status quo.
No matter if Obama or McCain or Gore or Bush or Clinton whoever gets elected, my job (which is working with the homeless) will basically stay the same. The answer does not lie with the current choices. We are a great nation who is settling for mediocrity.
You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.
Never doubt
that a small group of
thoughtful, committed individuals
can change the world.
Indeed
it's the only thing
that ever has.
-MARGARET MEAD
Obama .........just because ;)
QuoteNo matter if Obama or McCain or Gore or Bush or Clinton whoever gets elected, my job (which is working with the homeless) will basically stay the same. The answer does not lie with the current choices. We are a great nation who is settling for mediocrity.
So let's talk homelessness. As I understand it (correct at will), veterans account for maybe 10% of the population (less?) but about 25% of the homeless population.
As of last year, veterans were having to pay for their meals while recovering at Walter Reed, having to repay their signing bonus if they were injured in Iraq and had to come home before their tour was over, were given a horrible run around if trying to seek treatment for PTSD... I'd imagine all of these things would help to precipitate a fall to homelessness.
Barack authored and enacted legislation that led to a $1.5 billion increase in veterans medical care. He introduced an amendment (that is now law) providing food service to wounded veterans in military hospitals. He authored the Sheltering All Veterans Everywhere (SAVE) Act to expand federal homeless veteran programs (that bill is still in committee.) During the budget debate in '07, he passed an amendment to increase funding for homeless veterans programs by $40 million. He introduced the Lane Evans Veterans Health and Benefits Act, which aids in veterans transition from the DOD health care system to the VA by extending the window in which new veterans can get mental health care from two years to five years (that bill is also still in committee - if as few as ten more democrats were elected to the Senate in '08, it would likely become law.)
Incremental as it may be, don't those dollars / that legislation make a difference?
What is Nader's / the Green Party's plan to deal with a veteran population with skyrocketing PTSD, suicide, and homelessness rates? What is Nader's plan specifically to deal with anything? Besides "get rid of the lobbyists and then we'll talk."
The United States Government is a freakin' huge organization. It deals with people and money, ergo, there will always be people with moneyed interests in government. Yes, even in a third party administration. That's just the way it is. So I choose to accept that and find the best person to work within that. For me, that's Barack. I Hope that's Barack. We'll see.
I am a veteran and actually had my money from the GI Bill stopped when the government shut down in 1995. I also worked at a Veterans' Home during the Clinton years (98-99) and the care they got was shameful. Again, the dems and reps react the same way to this stuff; it's Washington DC and it's beauracricies and red tape, but most importantly of all, it's big money.
I don't know what Nader's stance is on the homeless veteran population but I am pretty sure he could just say something that would be enticing. I do know that the solution is through the people and not the government. I am not sure you understand how much of a hole we are in when you are talking about the homeless and veterans and all that. This dates back to centuries and will not be solved with money being thrown at it or political posturing. The change I am talking about is drastic and I have very little faith that any big time politician will make a difference.
I just think this nation deserves more than 2 perspectives, a right or a left, a conservative or a liberal. They have boiled it down (quite brilliantly I might say) into a team sport.
Nader cannot win. Period. However, if he gets the 5% needed, then momentum starts for a vital 3rd party. Bridget, I respect your opinions and your passion. I will do my best to pay attention to numbers and if it looks like a sure tank, that Nader cannot possibly get 5%, then Obama is my man (then there's Hillary... and maybe Nader gets my vote after all).
thanks for trying to have this conversation via a message board, which is damned near impossible. I am more on your side than I am coming across
PEACE
First of all, thank you for your service both as a veteran and an advocate for veterans.
You are absolutely right, I do not fully understand the problem because I have not seen it / lived it / worked with it like you have. And it's really nice to get an honest assessment from someone in the trenches.
I came to my interest in politics almost exclusively from a healthcare perspective. The only reason I know anything (mere statistics) about homelessness is because so much of it stems from mental illness.
My father was diagnosed with a serious illness, and his sh*tty, criminally negligent insurer refuses to cover the prescribed treatment. My parents make too much to qualify for medicaid, but too little to pay for the treatment, so they got divorced, so that he could be declared indigent, and get treatment thru medicaid. A pragmatic solution that has absolutely broken their hearts.
I have an immediacy problem with political solutions. I want someone working on these massive problems yesterday. My naive zeal for that (impossible?) solution is no different than your zeal for a Third Party President. We are indeed, very much on the same side.
Thank you for the in-depth discussion. We'll see how this plays out...
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I just think this nation deserves more than 2 perspectives, a right or a left, a conservative or a liberal. They have boiled it down (quite brilliantly I might say) into a team sport.
The absolute #1 problem with politics these days (and always).
Thanks to all for the thought provoking posts. Unfortunately, for this election, we still have to choose between the lesser of 2 evils. Still thinking this counrty is ready for
change, so I'm thinking it's going to be Barack. (At least he's been honest about "inhaling". :)
If you live in these 2 areas, lucky!
http://www.nme.com/news/arcade-fire/34819
QuoteMy parents make too much to qualify for medicaid, but too little to pay for the treatment, so they got divorced, so that he could be declared indigent, and get treatment thru medicaid. A pragmatic solution that has absolutely broken their hearts.
That is bullshit beyond bullshit that they would have to go through that to get treatment. I can't get behind a system that works like that at all. I would've stayed out of this thread entirely, because I don't know enough about our system to argue anything. I know there's a lot of things wrong, but that it's widespread. I like Obama because of his confidence and his grassrootsiness. And if his healthcare allows your parents to get remarried, I like him for that, too.
I don't mean to pry at all, just wanting to understand it--they only got divorced legally so this could happen? Are they still able to live together, and still wearing rings, just not "legally" married? I understand that there are some legal implications there pertaining to wills and inheritance and whatnot, but if their everyday lives are not impacted any more than a legal document telling them "you're not married" then at least they are able to keep on living the way they used to.
But good Lord, that situation pisses me off. NOTHING like that should ever have the strength or implications to drive two people out of their marriage, even if only legally. NOTHING.
QuoteQuoteMy parents make too much to qualify for medicaid, but too little to pay for the treatment, so they got divorced, so that he could be declared indigent, and get treatment thru medicaid. A pragmatic solution that has absolutely broken their hearts.
That is bullshit beyond bullshit that they would have to go through that to get treatment. I can't get behind a system that works like that at all. I would've stayed out of this thread entirely, because I don't know enough about our system to argue anything. I know there's a lot of things wrong, but that it's widespread. I like Obama because of his confidence and his grassrootsiness. And if his healthcare allows your parents to get remarried, I like him for that, too.
I don't mean to pry at all, just wanting to understand it--they only got divorced legally so this could happen? Are they still able to live together, and still wearing rings, just not "legally" married? I understand that there are some legal implications there pertaining to wills and inheritance and whatnot, but if their everyday lives are not impacted any more than a legal document telling them "you're not married" then at least they are able to keep on living the way they used to.
But good Lord, that situation pisses me off. NOTHING like that should ever have the strength or implications to drive two people out of their marriage, even if only legally. NOTHING.
Everything is exactly the same in their relationship. They wear rings, live at their same house - most of their friends and a handful of our relatives don't even know. No one has come to inspect for a faudulent divorce or anything like that. Although we've all thought about that scenario like a drug-bust or some sort of secret CIA sting operation, and I'm quite sure that would end with one of us setting ourselves on fire in the Whitehouse lawn or some other massive public protest.
A man and his wife at their support group did this when his pension got drastically cut a few years after he retired. That's where my parents got the idea from when they were looking at a gap without coverge while they sued his insurance company for care. All of the treatments available for his illness are "experimental" in one way or another. On medicaid, he can get in on NIH-sponsored drug trials, which he is, and that's a relief, though it hasn't done much.
Under Bush, the ability to declare personal bankruptcy has become near impossible. Back when you could declare bankruptcy, over half of all personal bankruptcies were due to medical debt. Even though it left your credit rating in the toilet, it was a way out from under the debt. Now you see people who start to question - is it selfish of me to want to continue treatment - odds as small as they are - if it's going to leave my family in financial ruin? Am I being selfish for wanting to try to live? Turns my stomach.
They are both college educated. They got married when they were 19. I am their youngest - a big surprise when they were well into their 40s.
It's just life. Everyone has a thing. The NY Times says 47 people died in an Israeli air strike today. My parents have not been displaced from their home like 2 million Iraqis have been. They have food in their bellies, unlike untold millions in Darfur. Things are god-awful all over. And other things are still really beautiful - MMJ for example. But for this one problem of health care in this country, I hope the time has come where we can marshall our forces behind something other than a war. For once. I'd just like to see us try...
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creepy! however accurate
i'll vote for obama only if he promises to dance 24/7 like he did on Ellen to Crazy In Love by Beyonce
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I look forward to the White House dance parties
best website of 2k8 so far
http://hillaryismomjeans.com/
Quotebest website of 2k8 so far
http://hillaryismomjeans.com/
that there is some funny shit! ;D ;D ;D
QuoteQuotebest website of 2k8 so far
http://hillaryismomjeans.com/
that there is some funny shit! ;D ;D ;D
thats some good shit. there's an Arrested Development reference "Hillary is a never nude" :)
QuoteQuoteQuotebest website of 2k8 so far
http://hillaryismomjeans.com/
that there is some funny shit! ;D ;D ;D
thats some good shit. there's an Arrested Development reference "Hillary is a never nude" :)
i submitted a few
"is a cat person"
"killed Laura Palmer"
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotebest website of 2k8 so far
http://hillaryismomjeans.com/
that there is some funny shit! ;D ;D ;D
thats some good shit. there's an Arrested Development reference "Hillary is a never nude" :)
i submitted a few
"is a cat person"
"killed Laura Palmer"
i put "let her husband grope your mom."
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuotebest website of 2k8 so far
http://hillaryismomjeans.com/
that there is some funny shit! ;D ;D ;D
thats some good shit. there's an Arrested Development reference "Hillary is a never nude" :)
i submitted a few
"is a cat person"
"killed Laura Palmer"
i put "let her husband grope your mom."
That is some funny shit! :)
Hey everyone, love all the posts, especially the "Momjeans"
So, what does everyone think about the Governor of New York being caught in the prostitute ring? How will that reflect on the election? Will it bode well for Barack and hinder Hillary since it's her"home"(which I thought was Arkansas, or was it Chicago, who know anymore?)state?
Can't wait to read your replies :exclamation
QuoteHey everyone, love all the posts, especially the "Momjeans"
So, what does everyone think about the Governor of New York being caught in the prostitute ring? How will that reflect on the election? Will it bode well for Barack and hinder Hillary since it's her"home"(which I thought was Arkansas, or was it Chicago, who know anymore?)state?
Can't wait to read your replies :exclamation
i think people are disgusted and just feel bad for his family. just proves my two theories---power corrupts and that men are pigs!! (kidding) but seriously, this guy WAS the law here. it's just so strange. i think he will announce his resignation today once they work out a deal w/all the criminal allegations. i guess it gives wall streeters and republicans something to be happy about !!
i don't think it will affect the election that much. i'm trying to think of the primaries that are left---PA? the southern states? you'd think it would have some negative impact on hillary-but i doubt it. i think her fate was sealed after wisconsin/MN.
the democrats are already at a disadvantage because of this primary race--this is really the last thing they needed but overall, not sure it will sway any voters. he was a controversial figure--i'm still curious as to what 4K will get you w/a prostitute!!
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--i'm still curious as to what 4K will get you w/a prostitute!!
Probably the same ole same ole, if you're the governor and the prostitute looks like this:
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That's actually her. From the smoking gun:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0312084kristen1.html
i always thought he was kind of hot for an older guy--i think it's the ears;-)
it's funny-- 'spitzer' is now a slang---'hey, that's such a spitzer' --i walked by the mailroom this morning and heard 'you pulled a spitzer?' poor guy-that's gonna be his legacy
[size=36]spitzer? I barely know her![/size]
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--i'm still curious as to what 4K will get you w/a prostitute!!
Probably the same ole same ole, if you're the governor and the prostitute looks like this:
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That's actually her. From the smoking gun:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0312084kristen1.html
*cough* 4k huh? *cough cough*
just curious, you know
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--i'm still curious as to what 4K will get you w/a prostitute!!
Probably the same ole same ole, if you're the governor and the prostitute looks like this:
(http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art4/0312084kristen1.jpg)
That's actually her. From the smoking gun:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0312084kristen1.html
Well....at least she doesn't look like Strawberry, the neighborhood crack whore.
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--i'm still curious as to what 4K will get you w/a prostitute!!
Probably the same ole same ole, if you're the governor and the prostitute looks like this:
(http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art4/0312084kristen1.jpg)
That's actually her. From the smoking gun:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0312084kristen1.html
*cough* 4k huh? *cough cough*
just curious, you know
;D ;D ;D
that's what I was thinking!
Has anyone been paying attention to the racist nutjob Barack calls his church pastor? Obama shouldn't get within 10 miles of the White House based on the crazy venom he passively accepts by attending this guys sermons and witholding disapproving comment on same. "The US of KKKA?" WFT!
And as far as Hillary--she's just 1/2 of a pair of the most convincing pathological liars this country has ever seen. Her relationship to Spitzer and Shue (sp?) are evidence enough she doesn't deserve to occupy 1600 Pennsylvania Ave again--I wouldn't invite her there for any reason if I were prez.
Good luck dems--put on a blindfold, flip a coin, and say a prayer...
QuoteHas anyone been paying attention to the racist nutjob Barack calls his church pastor? Obama shouldn't get within 10 miles of the White House based on the crazy venom he passively accepts by attending this guys sermons and witholding disapproving comment on same. "The US of KKKA?" WFT!
And as far as Hillary--she's just 1/2 of a pair of the most convincing pathological liars this country has ever seen. Her relationship to Spitzer and Shue (sp?) are evidence enough she doesn't deserve to occupy 1600 Pennsylvania Ave again--I wouldn't invite her there for any reason if I were prez.
Good luck dems--put on a blindfold, flip a coin, and say a prayer...
So, let me guess. You are voting for McCain and watching FoxNews? I think it's pretty lame that the republicans can't find any dirt so they are running people he's loosely associated with through the mill. Say what you will about both democratic nominees but at least they've kept it clean. No attacks ads, no low blows but the gop has already started throwing shit and the dems haven't even named a nominee!
And saying that a politician lies is like saying birds fly or dogs bark. You're gonna have to get a little more creative than that.
Oh, and what this about saying a prayer? Democrats don't believe in god, remember? Or is that not one of Fox's talking points this week?
Poor little rich girl can't afford a ladies watch.......
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LOL didn't even notice that....around here they call her jersey shore trash---
only reason hillary made it that far is because she's a woman..and the only reason obama has made it this far this soon is because he's black...which is not necessarily a bad thing;-) i didn't think farrar's comments were too off base she just didn't say enough.
QuoteQuoteHas anyone been paying attention to the racist nutjob Barack calls his church pastor? Obama shouldn't get within 10 miles of the White House based on the crazy venom he passively accepts by attending this guys sermons and witholding disapproving comment on same. "The US of KKKA?" WFT!
And as far as Hillary--she's just 1/2 of a pair of the most convincing pathological liars this country has ever seen. Her relationship to Spitzer and Shue (sp?) are evidence enough she doesn't deserve to occupy 1600 Pennsylvania Ave again--I wouldn't invite her there for any reason if I were prez.
Good luck dems--put on a blindfold, flip a coin, and say a prayer...
So, let me guess. You are voting for McCain and watching FoxNews? I think it's pretty lame that the republicans can't find any dirt so they are running people he's loosely associated with through the mill. Say what you will about both democratic nominees but at least they've kept it clean. No attacks ads, no low blows but the gop has already started throwing shit and the dems haven't even named a nominee!
And saying that a politician lies is like saying birds fly or dogs bark. You're gonna have to get a little more creative than that.
Oh, and what this about saying a prayer? Democrats don't believe in god, remember? Or is that not one of Fox's talking points this week?
It's my experience that the majority of people who disparage Fox news have watched about 5 minutes worth. McCain does very little for me. Loosely associated? He attends the church religiously (pun intended), is complicit in this minister's philosophy through his tacit approval (aka: non-repudiation of the venomous sermons), had the man preside over his wedding, and gave $22,500.00 to the guy. Doesn't seem very loose to me. It is truly sad that people expect our representative to be liars to the point where its like "dogs barking or birds flying". We need higher standards than this--but open elections and stifled free speech (aka McCain-Feingold) ensure that anyone can achieve elected office. I am very uncomfortable with the way the Clinton machine approaches politics in general and the way the crap on associates who've lost their usefulness (remember Susan McDougal?). Bill and Hill crepp me out big time an the last thing this country needs is socialized anything (especially healthcare). No attack ads? I beg to differ there--remember Hill spoofing Obama's speech themes about change? And speaking of change--what specific change has he really delineated? Better yet what has he done in the senate besides vote "Present" (the easy way to avoid being tagged with any specific position on a given issue)? McCain has at least served his country with dignity.
Maybe I'll write in Fred Thompson. ;)
P.S.--these observations and judgements are my own. What CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, or Fox report is their own business and none of them (especially the 1st 4) form my decisions for me.
I know politics is rough and we all want to desperately believe that our guy is "the one"--don't take me personal, just take another good long look
QuoteQuoteQuoteHas anyone been paying attention to the racist nutjob Barack calls his church pastor? Obama shouldn't get within 10 miles of the White House based on the crazy venom he passively accepts by attending this guys sermons and witholding disapproving comment on same. "The US of KKKA?" WFT!
And as far as Hillary--she's just 1/2 of a pair of the most convincing pathological liars this country has ever seen. Her relationship to Spitzer and Shue (sp?) are evidence enough she doesn't deserve to occupy 1600 Pennsylvania Ave again--I wouldn't invite her there for any reason if I were prez.
Good luck dems--put on a blindfold, flip a coin, and say a prayer...
So, let me guess. You are voting for McCain and watching FoxNews? I think it's pretty lame that the republicans can't find any dirt so they are running people he's loosely associated with through the mill. Say what you will about both democratic nominees but at least they've kept it clean. No attacks ads, no low blows but the gop has already started throwing shit and the dems haven't even named a nominee!
And saying that a politician lies is like saying birds fly or dogs bark. You're gonna have to get a little more creative than that.
Oh, and what this about saying a prayer? Democrats don't believe in god, remember? Or is that not one of Fox's talking points this week?
It's my experience that the majority of people who disparage Fox news have watched about 5 minutes worth. McCain does very little for me. Loosely associated? He attends the church religiously (pun intended), is complicit in this minister's philosophy through his tacit approval (aka: non-repudiation of the venomous sermons), had the man preside over his wedding, and gave $22,500.00 to the guy. Doesn't seem very loose to me. It is truly sad that people expect our representative to be liars to the point where its like "dogs barking or birds flying". We need higher standards than this--but open elections and stifled free speech (aka McCain-Feingold) ensure that anyone can achieve elected office. I am very uncomfortable with the way the Clinton machine approaches politics in general and the way the crap on associates who've lost their usefulness (remember Susan McDougal?). Bill and Hill crepp me out big time an the last thing this country needs is socialized anything (especially healthcare). No attack ads? I beg to differ there--remember Hill spoofing Obama's speech themes about change? And speaking of change--what specific change has he really delineated? Better yet what has he done in the senate besides vote "Present" (the easy way to avoid being tagged with any specific position on a given issue)? McCain has at least served his country with dignity.
Maybe I'll write in Fred Thompson. ;)
P.S.--these observations and judgements are my own. What CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, or Fox report is their own business and none of them (especially the 1st 4) form my decisions for me.
I know politics is rough and we all want to desperately believe that our guy is "the one"--don't take me personal, just take another good long look
i agree --i like mccain and obama and have always been a fan of fox news--i think people who criticize it have never seen it other than a clip from the daily show--fred thompson proved to be EXTREMELY dissappointing --not sure what he was thinking but he didn't really take it seriously (my impression) and no, i don't think obama's done anything extraordinary in the senate--but i think it's more important what he'll do in the future. i think he has potential to be a great leader. hillary will never be able to command the respect of half of this country for one reason or another. it will pain me to vote for a democrat since they will never realize that higher taxes never solved anything--but i'll take the plunge and vote for obama regardless--
and i used to think the same way about socialized healthcare---but now i realize that it won't happen--at least for hillary..she'll never get the support of congress..and even if it does, it won't make a huge difference because a huge population of this country is already on socialized healthcare
i believe that social insurance would work if we werent paying billions in a couple of needless wars (iraq and the war on drugs). i agree with it because i have personally seen too many people who have ignored their health or had to go without and in one case die because they couldnt afford the costs of medical expenses. the last thing someone should have to worry about is paying to be healthy, at least as much as we americans are forced to pay. but maybe instead of socialized health care, the government should focus on capping the insurance and drug companies. oh wait, i forgot...they are in the pockets of most politicians so that will never happen. as a father and a full time college student, my family and i have "socialized healthcare," but i will be the first to say that most doctors treat you like a crackhead drug seeking wefare junkie if you are insured through the state. and the reason for that is because they judge you by the insurance you use. a bit ridiculous i think. in my opinion, our healthcare system needs to be rebuilt from the ground up, but as long as there are lobbyists, there will never be such reform.
I live in Massachusetts and here they've passed a law where if you don't have medical insurance you're fined heavily and given a limited amount of time to find insurance or you have to accept something like Cobra or an equally expensive insurance provider.
Luckily my job offers me a couple coverage options to participate in but those that don't have it through their job have to get it somehow or else they're taxed by the IRS and the options available outside of your employeer are most often super super expensive.
If this "universal health care system" is anything like what it is here I would rather stick to the devil I know as it is now then this seemingly "humane" way of fleecing the already economically challanged.
I watch Fox News enough to know what the talking points are. This week's big one is (drum roll please) Barack's preacher's political views.
btw, I hate CNN just as much and consider myself an independent.
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btw, I hate CNN just as much and consider myself an independent.
aMD, I'm with you. I've been exposed to Fox News enough, that I know what kind of right-wing, propaganda they've got going on. I actually got punched in the face once for watching MSNBC instead of Fox News! Anyway, it doesn't take a clip from the Daily Show to convince me. Set and watch them for a couple hours and you'll definitely see through their bullshit. Fair and Balanced? I think not.
QuoteQuoteI watch Fox News enough to know what the talking points are. This week's big one is (drum roll please) Barack's preacher's political views.
btw, I hate CNN just as much and consider myself an independent.
aMD, I'm with you. I've been exposed to Fox News enough, that I know what kind of right-wing, propaganda they've got going on. I actually got punched in the face once for watching MSNBC instead of Fox News! Anyway, it doesn't take a clip from the Daily Show to convince me. Set and watch them for a couple hours and you'll definitely see through their bullshit. Fair and Balanced? I think not.
but seriously what news is not tainted by a point of view? IMO no news off the television, (or paper or internet for that matter) regardless or the news station, is going to be truly objective. I think Fox gets a deserved bullseye b/c they declare themselves "fair and balanced" but MSNBC is just as slanted, along with CNN, etc.
Cronkite said that television news stopped being objective when it took on commercial sponsors. The ads are bought in blocks so the content of the news broadcast can't be any more offensive to the advertisers than the television shows before and after the news program can be.
I think in the long run it boils down to who's opinion do you find less offensive, the FOX one or the MSNBC one? And all points in-between.
i balance myself by watching fox news--everything else (other than WSJ) is propaganda the other way (NYT, CNN, mainstream news, hollywood, etc) i think it's good to hear it from all sides-fox definitely gets a bad rap
check out bernard goldberg's book "Bias"--great read
My vote goes to Hulk Hogan!
this obama guy is growing on me
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Quotethis obama guy is growing on me
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;D That's awesome!
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That's offensive!
(to me anyway)
QuoteQuotethis obama guy is growing on me
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That's offensive!
(to me anyway)
Really? I thought it was funny. To each his own, I guess.
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That's offensive!
(to me anyway)
Really? I thought it was funny. To each his own, I guess.
Indeed :)
Well, I'm certainly glad to see this post revived. So what is next? This is the best Democratic primary since 1964.
I was hoping there would be no mud-slinging, but I guess that is too much to ask. Although it hasn't been as bad as usual.
I have less than 2 weeeks to make up my mind, but I think I'm going with Barack.
I'm ready for a change, even if it's the unkown. I think most of us would rather face the unkown than continue the path we've been taking for years.
Any other voters coming up in the next primaries? And how will you vote?