http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-bengals-ochocinco&prov=ap&type=lgns
Did you guys read that yet?
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Title defense starts Thursday...
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QuoteTitle defense starts Thursday...
Shame about Osi though. He was gonna tear it up this season.
QuoteQuoteTitle defense starts Thursday...
Shame about Osi though. He was gonna tear it up this season.
Yeah, but thats the game. On the bright side, how many teams can lose 2 guys like Strahan and Osi and plug in 2 guys like Tuck and Kiwanuka? Not another team in the league, to be honest. It wont be the same but it'll be solid.
That's Mr. Ocho Cinco to you! I seriously laughed for a solid five minutes when I heard that. I think it's fucking hilarious. Now everyone has to call him by that stupid nickname!
Anyway. I don't have high hopes for my Bengals this year. I half hope to lay an egg so they will be forced to show Marvin the door.
I look for the Chargers to do it this year, though Indy could be back on top if their defense and Marvin stay healthy. And don't tell Tracy this, but I look for the Saints to have a good year and I'm rooting for them to do just that.
I'm pulling for the Saints also, but I have high hopes for the Cowboys.
I hope my Dolphins can at least make it back to.500 this season.
QuoteQuoteQuoteTitle defense starts Thursday...
Shame about Osi though. He was gonna tear it up this season.
Yeah, but thats the game. On the bright side, how many teams can lose 2 guys like Strahan and Osi and plug in 2 guys like Tuck and Kiwanuka? Not another team in the league, to be honest. It wont be the same but it'll be solid.
True. I actually feel pretty good about the D line this season. Impressive play from what I got to see in the preseason, Osi aside. And the new tight ends looked good, makes me feel a little better about losing Shockey.
Also, Howard Cross was workin the sidelines for NBC I think it was. Good to see our old TE again. Remember him? I got his autograph at GMen training camp a while back. Nice guy.
I'm still hanging on to the hope that the Panthers will do something this year.
And as this is Julius Peppers' last year on contract with this team, I'll be watching closely
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ave5BvXSAPxBUwjN72WZIh9DubYF?slug=ap-lions-luggagetheft&prov=ap&type=lgns
Really?
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See you guys on Sunday :D
Right off the bat, NFC South show down. New Orleans -3 at home.
Who Dat?
this is a great site to figure out your Sunday NFL TV
http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/
I ordered NFL Sunday Ticket on DirecTV. I can't fucking wait!
Quotehttp://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ave5BvXSAPxBUwjN72WZIh9DubYF?slug=ap-lions-luggagetheft&prov=ap&type=lgns
Really?
That's fucking hilarious too. At least my Bengals are good for a laugh.
have NFL Network this year, which I'm excited about. The season starts tonight. I'm PUMPED!!!
The NFL Network rules. I'm pretty sure that's the channel that I've watched 95 % of the time that my TV's been on for the last couple of weeks.
I've also been watching "Hard Knocks: Training Camp with the Dallas Cowboys" on HBO for the last few weeks. I'm not sure that I saw all of them, but I think I saw most of them. I watched the last episode this morning. I hate that it's over with. I loved that show. Good stuff.
Oh, yeah. Did I mention that I got NFL Sunday Ticket?!?!?! :)
My wife actually called and ordered it. She's the BOMB!
Giants 16-Redskins 7
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So it looks like "ocho cinco" will be on the back of Chad's jersey this weekend.
;D
QuoteThe NFL Network rules. I'm pretty sure that's the channel that I've watched 95 % of the time that my TV's been on for the last couple of weeks.
I've also been watching "Hard Knocks: Training Camp with the Dallas Cowboys" on HBO for the last few weeks. I'm not sure that I saw all of them, but I think I saw most of them. I watched the last episode this morning. I hate that it's over with. I loved that show. Good stuff.
Oh, yeah. Did I mention that I got NFL Sunday Ticket?!?!?! :)
My wife actually called and ordered it. She's the BOMB!
Hard Knocks was great. The only thing that surprised me was that I thought Keon Lattimore looked real good. I know theyre stacked at RB - by the way Corey, whenever we go head to head in fantasy this yr, you should bench your team and give me a win because taking Portis over Barber was a gift for you..it was my first draft of the year (had about 5 since then), and wasnt prepared/up to date at all..u stole MBIII - but I thought Lattimore looked very good.
I had an early birthday present today, I got the Sunday Ticket for FREE basically ;D
Ive heard of DirecTV being very customer friendly, so I call them up. Ive only personally had DTV for 5 months, and 'tell' them I was considering getting the ticket but 290$ sounded ridiculous. I follow it with the deal they have where new customers get it free pretty much
The girl Im talkin to (who sounded cool from the get-go and I could actually understand everything she said), proceded with this as I kept pushing her:
Decreasing my 5 payments for Sunday Ticket from 74.99 to 57.99 (85$ saved)
Giving me free DVR for a year (72$ saved)
Taking 18$ off/month for a year (216$ saved)
The Ticket costs = 290$
$$$ I just saved = 373$
So basically I just got Sunday Ticket for free, and have to pay 83$ less over the next year than I should of ;D ;D ;D
God damn, that's a great deal! And yeah, they are super-friendly. My wife got all kinds of free shit when we switched to them from Comcast a few years ago. They also gave her some pretty sweet deals when she called to order the Sunday Ticket a few weeks ago.
Oh, and I don't have Barber. I wish like hell that I did. I ended up with McGahee and Grant as my starters, neither or which are at 100%. McGahee is still questionable for tomorrows game. :-/
My back-ups are Kevin Faulk, who is suspended for the first game and Tim Castille, which was totally a Homer pick, but I did it anyway because there wasn't much left when I snagged him.
oh, my bad...for some reason I thought I remembered it being you drafting behind me
whoever it was landed Barber when I was a dumbass and took Portis instead
1 Day....WOOOHHOOOO
QuoteI hope my Dolphins can at least make it back to.500 this season.
yes i hope so too, i watched them last night, so pissed that they lost- but they looked pretty sharp towards the end, where was that two-headed running monster we kept hearing about?
Quoteoh, my bad...for some reason I thought I remembered it being you drafting behind me
whoever it was landed Barber when I was a dumbass and took Portis instead
1 Day....WOOOHHOOOO
Sorry capn, that was me! :D
pats are screwed
Yep.
Brady = out for season
Croyle = out 2 to 4 weeks
V Young = out 2-4 weeks
It was a rough day for some QBs, but a great day for others.
Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco looked impressive in their starts as rookies. Romo and Favre were impressive as well... and McNabb! Who'da thunk it? :D
Looks like I am gonna have to add a Matt Forte jersey to my closet with my Curtis Enis, Rashaam Salaam and Cedric Benson jerseys. We won't even get into the Q.B jerseys I have from the bears. I had to rent a storage unit for those.
GO BEARS !!!!!!!
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Check out who guards my computer monitor...
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It's the FRIDGE, Bitches!!!
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nice is that a football mace?
Quotenice is that a football mace?
I thought it was a trolling motor
Vince Young was sulking on the sidelines after his 2nd interception, before he got hurt. Pretty weird to see him do that.
Wow, the fridge made G.I. Joe status. He looks to happy, like he's lookin at a ham sandwich. He could eat an apple thru a tennis racket with those teeth.
Yeah, that's a football mace. Pretty bad-ass.
D E N V E R B R O N C O S ! ! !
I saw my first game at mile high when I was 10 months old...we're lookin' good in OAK right now. :D
Tampa could have their hands full with Atlanta this Sunday.... :-/
Fucking Raiders, that was a joke. I know Russell needs time, but the fucking receivers were pitiful, and the defensive secondary was disgusting. The whole day sucked yesterday, worked till 8:30, and get home to see that shit. Fuck. >:(
I bet Darth Raider was PISSED
QuoteI bet Darth Raider was PISSED
I bet he pissed his fuckin' Depends after the whoopin' his team got last night. That was a fucking embarrassment.
I might actually buy this shirt:
http://www.believemerch.com/product/bernard-pollard-fan-club-red-tee
F'In Great
That's cold. Ice cold. 8-)
My Pats' season shall be extremely interesting now that Sir Tom has been sidelined for the year :(
Pats will have to cheat harder now.
QuotePats will have to cheat harder now.
BUURRRRRNNNNNN!!!!!!
That was a good one. Funny because it's true!
QuotePats will have to cheat harder now.
Ho hum so fuckin' original.
Anybody else think Philly could beat DAL? I cant believe theyre favored by 7. Thats an awful lot of points vs a divisional opponent that looked like the next best team in the conference last week. Plus they have an injured Barbarion.
I think MIN has some serious upset potential over Indy, same with BUF over JAX and SF over SEA
QuoteAnybody else think Philly could beat DAL? I cant believe theyre favored by 7. Thats an awful lot of points vs a divisional opponent that looked like the next best team in the conference last week. Plus they have an injured Barbarion.
I think MIN has some serious upset potential over Indy, same with BUF over JAX and SF over SEA
I think Philly has a good chance against Dallas. They need to put a lot of pressure on Romo ;)
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Now THAT's more like it. The Chiefs are pretty weak, but it still feels great.
McFadden's good :)
D E N V E R
B R O N C O ' S ! ! !
2 Point Conversion....Fuck yeah!
Chargers won that game. Ed Hochuli messed up big time. It's a shame.
QuoteChargers won that game. Ed Hochuli messed up big time. It's a shame.
Shit happens...we're 2-0! :)
Tru dat, I'm not a SD fan or anything. I'm just disappointed in my hero, Ed Hochuli, messing up like that.
Right on...I'm just baskin' in the win. We've struggled with SD and I was sweatin' that one out...much like my Auburn win yesterday.
QuoteTru dat, I'm not a SD fan or anything. I'm just disappointed in my hero, Ed Hochuli, messing up like that.
well, the thing about it is (and I did not hear anyone mention this) is even if he said it was a pass, it ended up going about 2 yards behind Cutler. So, not only did he blow the whistle inadvertantly, it was not a forward pass in the first place.
I don't like SD, but that was fishy.
The fix is in... ;D
Not only was THAT a bullshit call, but the Chargers got ripped off in the first half when the Broncos got that "fumble" when the instant replay devices weren't working.
The receivers arm was clearly down and that would have been caught if the machines weren't faulty. Total rip-off.
QuoteD E N V E R
B R O N C O ' S ! ! !
2 Point Conversion....Fuck yeah!
Damn, that sounded like a hell of a game. Cutler's a stud...I've been stuck at work all day, so I don't know how played, but he's already looking like one of the best in the league.
I was looking for a good "Fuck the Broncos" graphic to shoot your way, but found this instead:
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;D I'm still cracking up five minutes after I found it!
That is hilarious bbill. And, Cutler IS a stud. He has been outstanding these first two games. He did throw a terrbile interception that almost (should have) cost them the game, other than that, he's been great. Shanahan made a huge statement going for that two point conversion. Notice to the AFC, watch out for the Broncos.
Ed Hochuli was born on christmas.
Yeah, I gotta give some kudos to Shanahan for that, but they still got fuckin' lucky. They shouldn't even have had the chance to go for 2 because they clearly turned the ball over right before that.
QuoteQuoteD E N V E R
B R O N C O ' S ! ! !
2 Point Conversion....Fuck yeah!
Damn, that sounded like a hell of a game. Cutler's a stud...I've been stuck at work all day, so I don't know how played, but he's already looking like one of the best in the league.
I was looking for a good "Fuck the Broncos" graphic to shoot your way, but found this instead:
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;D I'm still cracking up five minutes after I found it!
HA!!! Nice...that shit is too funny! ;D
Adrian Peterson is RUNNING WILD. :o
QuoteQuotePats will have to cheat harder now.
Ho hum so fuckin' original.
Did I hit an exposed nerve?
Brady isn't really hurt. A "season ending injury" is the best scenario the "genius" could come up with for the shitty season the patsies will have this year, minus their ability to cheat.
QuoteQuoteQuotePats will have to cheat harder now.
Ho hum so fuckin' original.
Did I hit an exposed nerve?
Brady isn't really hurt. A "season ending injury" is the best scenario the "genius" could come up with for the shitty season the patsies will have this year, minus their ability to cheat.
coupon, the Pats will make the playoffs this year. If you consider that "shitty", then you're just hating.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotePats will have to cheat harder now.
Ho hum so fuckin' original.
Did I hit an exposed nerve?
Brady isn't really hurt. A "season ending injury" is the best scenario the "genius" could come up with for the shitty season the patsies will have this year, minus their ability to cheat.
coupon, the [highlight]Pats will make the playoffs this year[/highlight]. If you consider that "shitty", then you're just hating.
That remains to be seen.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuotePats will have to cheat harder now.
Ho hum so fuckin' original.
Did I hit an exposed nerve?
Brady isn't really hurt. A "season ending injury" is the best scenario the "genius" could come up with for the shitty season the patsies will have this year, minus their ability to cheat.
coupon, the [highlight]Pats will make the playoffs this year[/highlight]. If you consider that "shitty", then you're just hating.
That remains to be seen.
Here's their remaining schedule. Figure if they get 10 wins, they're in (meaning 8 now since they are 2-0):
Sun 9/21
Miami Sun 10/5 at
San Francisco Sun 10/12 at San Diego
Mon 10/20 Denver
Sun 10/26
St. Louis Sun 11/2 at Indianapolis
Sun 11/9
Buffalo Thu 11/13
NY Jets Sun 11/23 at
Miami Sun 11/30 Pittsburgh
Sun 12/7 at
Seattle Sun 12/14 at
Oakland Sun 12/21
Arizona Sun 12/28 at Buffalo
The
bold games are "sure" wins, IMO. They will most likely be 4-0 going into San Diego. That means they would have to finish 6-6 to make the playoffs. The Hoodie is flexing his defensive muscle and Matt Cassel ain't Tom Brady, but he will do enough and play smart enough, to get them to the playoffs. I could not believe all the silly folks at ESPN picking the Jets to win yesterday.
Now I'm no Pats fan, just a Saints fan who knows a thing or two about the NFL. If I were a betting man, I would lay money on the Pats making the playoffs.
QuoteQuoteQuotePats will have to cheat harder now.
Ho hum so fuckin' original.
Did I hit an exposed nerve?
Brady isn't really hurt. A "season ending injury" is the best scenario the "genius" could come up with for the shitty season the patsies will have this year, minus their ability to cheat.
No you hit nothing. The jealous losers always cling to some excuse for their team sucking. In this case they (including you) are so jealous of the Pats success that they try to diminish their acheivements by sayin it came via "cheating".
OK--tell me ONE instance in which the Patriots cheated (like stealing another team's actual playbook with signals etc.). Know what you can't! Know why BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T!
If you're going to hang your hat on the instance of game 1 of the 2007 vs the Jets here's an update (in case you missed the well documented facts of the day):
The rules about videotaping on the sidelines changed at the end of the '06 season--somebody missed the memo in the Pats video dept. obviously. The taper was removed in the 1st quarter and the tape confiscated so NOBODY EVER SAW IT! The Pats and Head Coach were heavily penalized, for violating a NEW rule, by the league. None of the other allegations about the Pats that jealous losers have trotted have been proven to be factual--ergo they are nothing but whiny rants from losers whose teams are not in the same league.
P.S.--there was also no "footage of the Rams walkthrough in '01"
Please start telling all your teams to start practicing harder and maybe they can keep up with New England ;D
Yeah, you're right. Sorry man.
18-1
DOH!
;D
QuoteYeah, you're right. Sorry man.
18-1
DOH!
;D
so coup, who's your team?
Picksburgh Stillers
And thus my distain for the Pats.
God bless football, best of luck to everybody this season.
Things are looking bad for my Bengals. I really thing people are really underestimating how bad they are this year. Pretty soon they will be mentioned among Oakland, St Louis, and Kansas City as one of the leagues worst teams. Fire Marvin now!
30--24
Philly vs. Dallas
Good game so far...actually one of the only early season NFL games I've been able to see that isn't a blowout or really, really boring.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuotePats will have to cheat harder now.
Ho hum so fuckin' original.
Did I hit an exposed nerve?
Brady isn't really hurt. A "season ending injury" is the best scenario the "genius" could come up with for the shitty season the patsies will have this year, minus their ability to cheat.
coupon, the [highlight]Pats will make the playoffs this year[/highlight]. If you consider that "shitty", then you're just hating.
That remains to be seen.
Here's their remaining schedule. Figure if they get 10 wins, they're in (meaning 8 now since they are 2-0):
Sun 9/21 Miami
Sun 10/5 at San Francisco
Sun 10/12 at San Diego
Mon 10/20 Denver
Sun 10/26 St. Louis
Sun 11/2 at Indianapolis
Sun 11/9 Buffalo
Thu 11/13 NY Jets
Sun 11/23 at Miami
Sun 11/30 Pittsburgh
Sun 12/7 at Seattle
Sun 12/14 at Oakland
Sun 12/21 Arizona
Sun 12/28 at Buffalo
The bold games are "sure" wins, IMO. They will most likely be 4-0 going into San Diego. That means they would have to finish 6-6 to make the playoffs. The Hoodie is flexing his defensive muscle and Matt Cassel ain't Tom Brady, but he will do enough and play smart enough, to get them to the playoffs. I could not believe all the silly folks at ESPN picking the Jets to win yesterday.
Now I'm no Pats fan, just a Saints fan who knows a thing or two about the NFL. If I were a betting man, I would lay money on the Pats making the playoffs.
Buffalo, Arizona, and the next Jets game are definitely not "sure" wins. All three teams are getting better.
QuoteThings are looking bad for my Bengals. I really thing people are really underestimating how bad they are this year. Pretty soon they will be mentioned among Oakland, St Louis, and Kansas City as one of the leagues worst teams. Fire Marvin now!
I'm surprised that Lewis hasn't been able to get a good defense there with the coaching resume he has. I would agree that they need a change even though things were worse before him.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuotePats will have to cheat harder now.
Ho hum so fuckin' original.
Did I hit an exposed nerve?
Brady isn't really hurt. A "season ending injury" is the best scenario the "genius" could come up with for the shitty season the patsies will have this year, minus their ability to cheat.
coupon, the [highlight]Pats will make the playoffs this year[/highlight]. If you consider that "shitty", then you're just hating.
That remains to be seen.
Here's their remaining schedule. Figure if they get 10 wins, they're in (meaning 8 now since they are 2-0):
Sun 9/21 Miami
Sun 10/5 at San Francisco
Sun 10/12 at San Diego
Mon 10/20 Denver
Sun 10/26 St. Louis
Sun 11/2 at Indianapolis
Sun 11/9 Buffalo
Thu 11/13 NY Jets
Sun 11/23 at Miami
Sun 11/30 Pittsburgh
Sun 12/7 at Seattle
Sun 12/14 at Oakland
Sun 12/21 Arizona
Sun 12/28 at Buffalo
The bold games are "sure" wins, IMO. They will most likely be 4-0 going into San Diego. That means they would have to finish 6-6 to make the playoffs. The Hoodie is flexing his defensive muscle and Matt Cassel ain't Tom Brady, but he will do enough and play smart enough, to get them to the playoffs. I could not believe all the silly folks at ESPN picking the Jets to win yesterday.
Now I'm no Pats fan, just a Saints fan who knows a thing or two about the NFL. If I were a betting man, I would lay money on the Pats making the playoffs.
Buffalo, Arizona, and the next Jets game are definitely not "sure" wins. All three teams are getting better.
I was gonna say the same thing, plus there is no GUARANTEED win
Add to those 3 games, they actually play Buffalo twice and by the time they play SEA theyll have Engram and Branch back, and its @ SEA
I never go to CBS sportsline for my football, but I just heard about this. On the football homepage, they actually have a 'Countdown to Patriots - Chargers' clock going - FOR A GAME THAT DOESNT EVEN GO DOWN FOR ALMOST A MONTH!!!
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl
I think having something like that is stupid, unless maybe it was Indy-NE last year, or the Super Bowl, but lets see
-We have the 0-2 Chargers
-We have the Brady-less Patriots
-And we have marquee games THIS week with PIT-PHILLY and GB-DAL
..and youre counting down to this game?!?!? ;D
I guess my reasoning for NEVER going to CBS in the first place just made more sense
Good to see Deuce back for the Saints and the Saints winning
Anquan Boldin got hit by a safety who launched himself into him helmet to helmet with 30 sec left in the game. Def illegal hit and certainly a cheap shot, esp with NYJ up by 21 points.
He was taken off the field by a stretcher and immediately into an ambulance.
Hopefully he is alright
I hope ARZ management feel like asshats now for not giving him his deserved and asked for pay raise
WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO THE COWBOYS?!?!?!
I picked the Skins to cover the spread, and certainly thought they had a shot to win today
Skins are much better than they looked week 1
Theyve beat the Saints after that, then Arizona, both of which certainly have a shot at the playoffs
They only thing that surprises me is how few carries they gave Barber...I think that might be the difference in the game
now this is a week late- but i'm disappointed-where are the Phins Fans? No one wanted to mention the whooping they dealt out? (feels good after the whooping they took the week before) Cmon people- give it up for some excellent football!
oh and what the eff is with the jets? did they juice up brett before the game? put an end to the doubters real fast.
Wow, OT with Pitt/Baltimore.
C'mon steelers!!
Bengals are 0-4 and we're heading into the tough part of our schedule. Giants next week. This is gonna be a long season...
QuoteBengals are 0-4 and we're heading into the tough part of our schedule. Giants next week. This is gonna be a long season...
so who's in the rumor mill for replacing Marvin Lewis?
QuoteQuoteBengals are 0-4 and we're heading into the tough part of our schedule. Giants next week. This is gonna be a long season...
so who's in the rumor mill for replacing Marvin Lewis?
I think this is far from Marv's fault
Maybe thats the only way to resolve their situation right now, but I wouldnt blame him
Owner/GM took a lot of those risky players like Odell Thurman when Lewis had no say, plus their #1 pick David Pollack is out of the NFL now due to spine injuries
Trading Rudi Johnson wasnt the most intelligent either
QuoteQuoteQuoteBengals are 0-4 and we're heading into the tough part of our schedule. Giants next week. This is gonna be a long season...
so who's in the rumor mill for replacing Marvin Lewis?
I think this is far from Marv's fault
Maybe thats the only way to resolve their situation right now, but I wouldnt blame him
Owner/GM took a lot of those risky players like Odell Thurman when Lewis had no say, plus their #1 pick David Pollack is out of the NFL now due to spine injuries
Trading Rudi Johnson wasnt the most intelligent either
Well trading Rudi MAY have been intelligent but they cut him. Then again, he wouldn't have been worth the money we had to pay this year especially when we apparently don't have the cash to pay a decent OL. Letting go of Willie Anderson and Eric Steinback, the retirement of Rich Braham, and rolling the dice too many / the wrong "character issue" guys is what got us here (not to mention Pollack's freak career-ending injury before he played a game). I can't say I blame any one person for all that. That said, I hope Marvin gets the door.
Tracy, I haven't heard anything about replacements yet, the rumor mill has only begun to really turn for some reason. I've been off the Marvin bandwagon since last year. I mean he was the defensive coordinator of the Ravens when they became an institution of good defense and look at our defensive numbers since he's been our coach. There's no excuse. And I LOVE Chad, TJ, and Carson but what's the point of paying all those guys if no one can block for him.
Sorry for rant,
Very frustrated Bengal fan.
I think a coaching change for the Bengals will be about as effective as a coaching change will be for the Raiders.
Woo 2-2, go phins! Double your wins from last year baby!
REGGIE BUSH...damn! :o
This game is ridiculous. My two favourite teams, too. Go Vikings!
That game was ridiculous
Glad Bush had those 2 sick TDs on the returns
Dont have him in the MMJ league, but do in my $$$$ league and Im thinking about trading him
Adam "Pac Man" Jones didn't want to be known as Pac Man anymore once he got to Dallas.
So after the reports of his "run in" last night at a Dallas hotel, Jim Rome called him Galaga.
Galaga....
classic
QuoteAdam "Pac Man" Jones didn't want to be known as Pac Man anymore once he got to Dallas.
So after the reports of his "run in" last night at a Dallas hotel, Jim Rome called him Galaga.
Galaga....
classic
I was listening as well. Pretty funny. Pac - Man Jones. This is truly one sad,pathetic individual. He obviously doesn't get it. How many more chances is this guy going to get. He should be banned from the NFL so he can start his second career.....PRISON :-/
they should put together prison allstar team who do we got
qb- vick
rb - oj and lawrence phillips
db-pac man
any others im drawing a blank
Quotethey should put together prison allstar team who do we got
qb- vick
rb - oj and lawrence phillips
db-pac man
any others im drawing a blank
ray lewis killed a guy once
QuoteQuotethey should put together prison allstar team who do we got
qb- vick
rb - oj and lawrence phillips
db-pac man
any others im drawing a blank
ray lewis killed a guy once
nate newton
chris henry
maurice clarett
QuoteQuoteQuotethey should put together prison allstar team who do we got
qb- vick
rb - oj and lawrence phillips
db-pac man
any others im drawing a blank
ray lewis killed a guy once
nate newton
chris henry
maurice clarett
Tank Johnson
Travis Henry
Frostee Rucker
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotethey should put together prison allstar team who do we got
qb- vick
rb - oj and lawrence phillips
db-pac man
any others im drawing a blank
ray lewis killed a guy once
nate newton
chris henry
maurice clarett
Tank Johnson
Travis Henry
Frostee Rucker
maybe throw in some leon lett
that team would kill the pats ;)
QuoteQuotethey should put together prison allstar team who do we got
qb- vick
rb - oj and lawrence phillips
db-pac man
any others im drawing a blank
ray lewis killed a guy once
...that we know of.
QuoteQuoteQuotethey should put together prison allstar team who do we got
qb- vick
rb - oj and lawrence phillips
db-pac man
any others im drawing a blank
ray lewis killed a guy once
...that we know of.
Ray Lewis drives an Ice Cream truck full of skulls
Comp Att Yds Pct TD Rating
D. Brees 26 30 320 86.7 3 144.4
right on Brees. pretty good day
GO CLEVELAND!!! MNF!!!!
pennylane.................i hope to wake up to a bunch of YEAH YEAH YEAHs cause the fucking gmen just let me down like none other. i am mad. o well. its football, it happens. i will not insult the browns, cause they did nothing other than OWN my gmen. golly gee...i blame 95% of my quint quotes on sports. and by sports, i mean the giants. but tonight i will be a good boy.
well, ill see y'all next weekend. :-/
(i still love sports, how can you predict this stuff? :D)
((my rangers are 5-0))
Really cant believe CLE won that game, but fine by me :)
And I can understand it, because Eli Manning is not an elite QB in this league. He played very well in the playoffs, but he is probably not even 1 of the 10 best QBs in the NFL
Eli is their achilles, and probably will be his entire career - unless the rest of their team really sucks
QuoteReally cant believe CLE won that game, but fine by me :)
And I can understand it, because Eli Manning is not an elite QB in this league. He played very well in the playoffs, but he is probably not even 1 of the 10 best QBs in the NFL
Eli is their achilles, and probably will be his entire career - unless the rest of their team really sucks
hater
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Quotepennylane.................i hope to wake up to a bunch of YEAH YEAH YEAHs cause the fucking gmen just let me down like none other. i am mad. o well. its football, it happens. i will not insult the browns, cause they did nothing other than OWN my gmen. golly gee...i blame 95% of my quint quotes on sports. and by sports, i mean the giants. but tonight i will be a good boy.
well, ill see y'all next weekend. :-/
(i still love sports, how can you predict this stuff? :D)
((my rangers are 5-0))
that is a tough loss---! i'm an adopted giants fan but never when they play the browns. i've been barking since the 1st quarter!!--i just felt a win last night--braylon and DA were awesome.
did you guys see the pan to the crowd w/the guy that looked like jim james? i was getting texts all over the place? lol....
cleveland--our fans aint pretty but we got it done :D RAWF RAWF!!
QuoteQuotepennylane.................i hope to wake up to a bunch of YEAH YEAH YEAHs cause the fucking gmen just let me down like none other. i am mad. o well. its football, it happens. i will not insult the browns, cause they did nothing other than OWN my gmen. golly gee...i blame 95% of my quint quotes on sports. and by sports, i mean the giants. but tonight i will be a good boy.
well, ill see y'all next weekend. :-/
(i still love sports, how can you predict this stuff? :D)
((my rangers are 5-0))
that is a tough loss---! i'm an adopted giants fan but never when they play the browns. i've been barking since the 1st quarter!!--i just felt a win last night--braylon and DA were awesome.
did you guys see the pan to the crowd w/the guy that looked like jim james? i was getting texts all over the place? lol....
cleveland--our fans aint pretty but we got it done :D RAWF RAWF!!
I did see that guy....and shut it about your RAWF RAWFs!!!!!!!!
Giants were due for a loss, they will comeback strong.
Whooboy the Pats looked sickening this weekend :( guess the bolts wanted payback...
This is shocking:
Dallas' Adam Jones suspended again
PETERSBURG, Fla. (AP)—NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has suspended Adam "Pacman" Jones indefinitely for violating the league's personal conduct policy.
Jones was involved in an alcohol-related scuffle with one of his bodyguards at a private party in Dallas on Oct. 7.
The league said the Dallas Cowboys cornerback will miss the next four games, and Goodell will determine the final length of the suspension after the Cowboys' game in Washington on Nov. 16.
In a letter Tuesday to Jones, Goodell called the latest incident the continuation of "a disturbing pattern of behavior and clearly inconsistent with the conditions I set for your continued participation in the NFL."
The NFL's investigation comes six weeks after Goodell reinstated Jones from a 17-month suspension after several run-ins with the law while with the Tennessee Titans.
NFL Stadium Rankings
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/specials/fansurvey/2008/index.html?bcnn=yes
QuoteNFL Stadium Rankings
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/specials/fansurvey/2008/index.html?bcnn=yes
Well, I can live with #2 for my Stillers
I dont know how they came up with atmosphere at 6 though, with Tennessee??, Indy, Seattle???, and KC?? ahead of PIT though. The atmosphere their is easily #1. People coming out at 8 am or earlier, everyone pumped for the game, numerous tailgeters with 20+ person parties basically going on, and it all translates inside the stadium once the game starts. Its almost like a college stadium atmosphere in the NFL, but better.
I also dont know how they could judge this from a "fan's" perspective. Id vote Pittsburgh #1 for but I also havent been to another teams stadium, so how could I, or most fans, make it relative?!
BTW Tracy - you see theyre making a Land of the Lost movie? with Will Ferrell. Who knows WTF thatll end up like
QuoteNFL Stadium Rankings
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/specials/fansurvey/2008/index.html?bcnn=yes
That's a shit list. I haven't been to any other stadium than Paul Brown, but there's no way we have the second worst atmosphere!
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Hmmm....? My previous thoughts are confirmed; Rams Blow! ;D
Any Bills fans on the board? I have a couple of questions for you (I'm from Toronto, so you know where this is going). Also, any Dolphins fans making the trek to "The Big Smoke", aka Toronto, in December when The Fish play the Bills? I could care less about the game other than I hope the Bills win (not a fan of either team) and folks have a good time. I hope the Bills never leave Buffalo.
QuoteAny Bills fans on the board? I have a couple of questions for you (I'm from Toronto, so you know where this is going). Also, any Dolphins fans making the trek to "The Big Smoke", aka Toronto, in December when The Fish play the Bills? I could care less about the game other than I hope the Bills win (not a fan of either team) and folks have a good time. I hope the Bills never leave Buffalo.
I'll bet you that this is but the first step in the Bills eventual move to your fair country and the eventual demise of the CFL. Gigantic city of wealth vs. small rusting city with tradition; hmmmm. How many luxury boxes can we sell in Toronto?
QuoteQuoteAny Bills fans on the board? I have a couple of questions for you (I'm from Toronto, so you know where this is going). Also, any Dolphins fans making the trek to "The Big Smoke", aka Toronto, in December when The Fish play the Bills? I could care less about the game other than I hope the Bills win (not a fan of either team) and folks have a good time. I hope the Bills never leave Buffalo.
I'll bet you that this is but the first step in the Bills eventual move to your fair country and the eventual demise of the CFL. Gigantic city of wealth vs. small rusting city with tradition; hmmmm. How many luxury boxes can we sell in Toronto?
Ticket sales aren't going well and neither are the luxury box sales for the Miami-Buffalo game. The exhibition game in the summer was a bomb too. Rogers (the owner of the Jays and monster cable TV giant) held NFL and CFL fans hostage over the ticket package deals. And I know both Ralph Wilson and Ted Rogers underestimated the loyal support that the CFL gets in the greater metro Toronto area (which has a population base of six million). Personally, I think an NFL team in Toronto would ruin the 100+ year CFL, damage the social fabric of Canada and destroy the flailing town of Buffalo.
QuoteQuoteQuoteAny Bills fans on the board? I have a couple of questions for you (I'm from Toronto, so you know where this is going). Also, any Dolphins fans making the trek to "The Big Smoke", aka Toronto, in December when The Fish play the Bills? I could care less about the game other than I hope the Bills win (not a fan of either team) and folks have a good time. I hope the Bills never leave Buffalo.
I'll bet you that this is but the first step in the Bills eventual move to your fair country and the eventual demise of the CFL. Gigantic city of wealth vs. small rusting city with tradition; hmmmm. How many luxury boxes can we sell in Toronto?
Ticket sales aren't going well and neither are the luxury box sales for the Miami-Buffalo game. The exhibition game in the summer was a bomb too. Rogers (the owner of the Jays and monster cable TV giant) held NFL and CFL fans hostage over the ticket package deals. And I know both Ralph Wilson and Ted Rogers underestimated the loyal support that the CFL gets in the greater metro Toronto area (which has a population base of six million). Personally, I think an NFL team in Toronto would ruin the 100+ year CFL, damage the social fabric of Canada and destroy the flailing town of Buffalo.
Exactly. Start picking out team names. Mounties? Gignatic Red Leaves? Bacon? And are you going to call your team Toronto or Ontario or Canada? I like the Ontario Upper Mexicans.
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Exactly. Start picking out team names. Mounties? Gignatic Red Leaves? Bacon? And are you going to call your team Toronto or Ontario or Canada? I like the Ontario Upper Mexicans.
The Toronto Glacier.
And when they score a touchdown, the walls in the end zone roll up and a glacier comes out and engulfs the field.
And the cheerleaders would wear this
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Exactly. Start picking out team names. Mounties? Gignatic Red Leaves? Bacon? And are you going to call your team Toronto or Ontario or Canada? I like the Ontario Upper Mexicans.
The Toronto Glacier.
And when they score a touchdown, the walls in the end zone roll up and a glacier comes out and engulfs the field.
And the cheerleaders would wear this
(http://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/Playboy/11064?$outfitem1$)
I know it's all in jest, but I've never seen a glacier - few Canadians have - unless you live in the Yukon or some other region of the Far North. And now it looks like I better hurry if I ever want to see one. I've never met a Mexican either and I'd hardly compare unfortunate Mexico to rich Ontario, although I enjoy reading in horror about the border troubles in the southern States.
I just hope they don't call them the Bills or the Argonauts (Toronto's CFL team, for you ignorant bastards). If they don't pick some sort of semi-historical name, I'm sad to say that they'll go with the Bills. And you won't have Ontario mentioned in the name either since most of the province and country for that matter hates Toronto. Realistically though, Buffalo folks are a lot more worried about their team leaving then the CFL is about the slim possibility that Toronto gets an NFL team. For one thing, the Rogers Centre (formally Sky Dome) is too small to house an NFL team (it tops out at 55 thousand seats) and no one is talking new stadium.
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Exactly. Start picking out team names. Mounties? Gignatic Red Leaves? Bacon? And are you going to call your team Toronto or Ontario or Canada? I like the Ontario Upper Mexicans.
The Toronto Glacier.
And when they score a touchdown, the walls in the end zone roll up and a glacier comes out and engulfs the field.
And the cheerleaders would wear this
(http://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/Playboy/11064?$outfitem1$)
I know it's all in jest, but I've never seen a glacier - few Canadians have - unless you live in the Yukon or some other region of the Far North. And now it looks like I better hurry if I ever want to see one. I've never met a Mexican either and I'd hardly compare unfortunate Mexico to rich Ontario, although I enjoy reading in horror about the border troubles in the southern States.
I just hope they don't call them the Bills or the Argonauts (Toronto's CFL team, for you ignorant bastards). If they don't pick some sort of semi-historical name, I'm sad to say that they'll go with the Bills. And you won't have Ontario mentioned in the name either since most of the province and country for that matter hates Toronto. Realistically though, Buffalo folks are a lot more worried about their team leaving then the CFL is about the slim possibility that Toronto gets an NFL team. For one thing, the Rogers Centre (formally Sky Dome) is too small to house an NFL team (it tops out at 55 thousand seats) and no one is talking new stadium.
yep, but the streets of Detroit are crawling with Lions... ;)
I'd love to take you boys, Tracy and Soup, to a Grey Cup game. It's a massive, accessible NON-CORPORATE party. If anyone does plan on going to the Bills-Dolphins game, give me a ring and we'll drink tons of Canuck micro-brews before the game and piss on Toronto Maple Leaf fans.
Before the year started, I thought that Dallas had the best team on paper
7 weeks in, I still think Dallas is the best team, on paper
Jesus, the Raiders are fucking frustrating. The win today was probably the most painful win I've ever witnessed. For a team that is notorious for bonehead penalties, today was about as bad as it gets...but, they squeaked it out. :-/ >:( :-? :D
Being a bengal fan is pretty rough these days too. 0-7 >:(
Steelers WR Santonio Holmes Pulled Over, Hands Officer Blunts
http://www.wpxi.com/news/17791739/detail.html
"We wouldn't expect a steelworker to be laid off or suspended without pay," said Vogel. "I wouldn't expect a police officer, firefighter or a member of the Steelers."
:o A police officer wouldn't get suspended for pot?
Go Giants!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey! Matt Cassel was named player of the week! Good on him!
QuoteSteelers WR Santonio Holmes Pulled Over, Hands Officer Blunts
http://www.wpxi.com/news/17791739/detail.html
"We wouldn't expect a steelworker to be laid off or suspended without pay," said Vogel. "I wouldn't expect a police officer, firefighter or a member of the Steelers."
:o A police officer wouldn't get suspended for pot?
Of all weeks Santonio pulls this the week before most likely one of our 3 toughest games of the year...god damnit
Coach T shouldnt of deactivated him though. If we were playing the Bungals this week, then fine, deactivate him.
C'mon Coach, he was just puffin the ganj!! What, you never did that stuff when you were at William&Mary?!
YEEEEES! Pats go 5-2!!!!!!!!!
Geez just finished watching Pittsburg beat themselves...what a bomb of a game.
QuoteYEEEEES! Pats go 5-2!!!!!!!!!
Geez just finished watching Pittsburg beat themselves...what a bomb of a game.
Beat themselves is about as close as it gets...Im still disgusted, but NYG did not beat us, we lost that game
And I guarantee Tomlin's first question during the Tuesday press conference is:
WHY WAS JAMES MOTHERFUCKING HARRISON LONGSNAPPING THE BALL FOR A SAFETY!!!!!!!!??????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have you heard of your center, Justin Hartwig, MAYBE, longsnapping the ball instead of your OLB whose nicjname is Silverback?!?!?!!?
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Beat themselves is about as close as it gets...Im still disgusted, but NYG did not beat us, we lost that game
No, actually, the Giants did beat you and Eli Manning totally outplayed roffesburger: 4 INTs? 5 sacks? QB rating of 38.5? ;D
3rd down efficiency? 0/9
lost the time of possession battle by 10 minutes
You got outgained, out coached and out classed AT HOME.
good grief, the Giants are the better team and Manning is the better QB. sorry :-/
QuoteThings are looking bad for my Bengals. I really thing people are really underestimating how bad they are this year. Pretty soon they will be mentioned among Oakland, St Louis, and Kansas City as one of the leagues worst teams. Fire Marvin now!
I know my Bengals all too well. 0-8!! :-[ :-[
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Beat themselves is about as close as it gets...Im still disgusted, but NYG did not beat us, we lost that game
No, actually, the Giants did beat you and Eli Manning totally outplayed roffesburger: 4 INTs? 5 sacks? QB rating of 38.5? ;D
3rd down efficiency? 0/9
lost the time of possession battle by 10 minutes
You got outgained, out coached and out classed AT HOME.
good grief, the Giants are the better team and Manning is the better QB. sorry :-/
I dont know if you watched the game or not, but judging by how close the score was and how
staggering these numbers were, PIT outplayed them
Saying Manning outplayed Roethlisberger is a joke. I dont think Manning got sacked once, whereas Roeth was pressured basically every play. And blaming Roethlisberger for 5 sacks just shows your intelligence for football.
The Giants OLine>>>>>PIT Oline, and that was the difference. I figured Roeth would be pressured, but the fact we got no pressure on Eli surprised
And youre kidding yourself if you think Eli Manning is a better QB than Roethlisberger. Hold your Southern bias at the door dude, bc it aint even close
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I dont know if you watched the game or not, but judging by how close the score was and how staggering these numbers were, PIT outplayed them
Saying Manning outplayed Roethlisberger is a joke. I dont think Manning got sacked once, whereas Roeth was pressured basically every play. And blaming Roethlisberger for 5 sacks just shows your intelligence for football.
How about the numbers sweetie, since I ain't so smart:
First Downs: GIANTS win 15-10
Third Down Efficiency: Giants win 6-18 to 0-9
Total Net Yards: GIANTS win 282-249
Passing Yards: GIANTS win 199-154
Time Of Possession: GIANTS win 34:24 to 25:36
QB STATS:
Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int Rating
E. Manning 19 32 199 59.4 6.2 1 0 87.9
Roethlisb 13 29 189 44.8 6.5 5 35 1 4 38.5
Face it man, you got your heads handed to you AT HOME. ;D ;D
there's a new kid in town
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I dont know if you watched the game or not, but judging by how close the score was and how staggering these numbers were, PIT outplayed them
Saying Manning outplayed Roethlisberger is a joke. I dont think Manning got sacked once, whereas Roeth was pressured basically every play. And blaming Roethlisberger for 5 sacks just shows your intelligence for football.
How about the numbers sweetie, since I ain't so smart:
First Downs: GIANTS win 15-10
Third Down Efficiency: Giants win 6-18 to 0-9
Total Net Yards: GIANTS win 282-249
Passing Yards: GIANTS win 199-154
Time Of Possession: GIANTS win 34:24 to 25:36
QB STATS:
Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int Rating
E. Manning 19 32 199 59.4 6.2 1 0 87.9
Roethlisb 13 29 189 44.8 6.5 5 35 1 4 38.5
Face it man, you got your heads handed to you AT HOME. ;D ;D
You see, when you "Quote" someone, you dont leave out part of what they said
***And sorry, I deleted to pic of Eli with no shirt***
My biggest point was...NYG OLine>>>>>>>>PIT OLine..that was the difference, nuff said. I cant believe that NYG neutralized our pass rush that much, but they did
NYG had 30 more total yards than PIT.....WOW!!
1 of Roeths INTs was a drop from a big hit on the WR, the other was the last play of the game, so 4 INTs is worse than if you watched the game.
That inexcuseable safety changed the game, whether you know it or not
Plus, we didnt have Willie Parker, Marvel Smith, or Santonio Holmes the whole game. Those are quite a few key players missing, but not out for the year, not to mention Ryan Clark who was running shit until he hurt his shoulder (and is likely out for the year)
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I dont know if you watched the game or not, but judging by how close the score was and how staggering these numbers were, PIT outplayed them
Saying Manning outplayed Roethlisberger is a joke. I dont think Manning got sacked once, whereas Roeth was pressured basically every play. And blaming Roethlisberger for 5 sacks just shows your intelligence for football.
How about the numbers sweetie, since I ain't so smart:
First Downs: GIANTS win 15-10
Third Down Efficiency: Giants win 6-18 to 0-9
Total Net Yards: GIANTS win 282-249
Passing Yards: GIANTS win 199-154
Time Of Possession: GIANTS win 34:24 to 25:36
QB STATS:
Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int Rating
E. Manning 19 32 199 59.4 6.2 1 0 87.9
Roethlisb 13 29 189 44.8 6.5 5 35 1 4 38.5
Face it man, you got your heads handed to you AT HOME. ;D ;D
there's a new kid in town
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Even with those stats we still could've (and would've) won if our long snapper didn't get hurt. That's right! Outplayed? That was not a well played game by either team.
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I dont know if you watched the game or not, but judging by how close the score was and how staggering these numbers were, PIT outplayed them
Saying Manning outplayed Roethlisberger is a joke. I dont think Manning got sacked once, whereas Roeth was pressured basically every play. And blaming Roethlisberger for 5 sacks just shows your intelligence for football.
How about the numbers sweetie, since I ain't so smart:
First Downs: GIANTS win 15-10
Third Down Efficiency: Giants win 6-18 to 0-9
Total Net Yards: GIANTS win 282-249
Passing Yards: GIANTS win 199-154
Time Of Possession: GIANTS win 34:24 to 25:36
QB STATS:
Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int Rating
E. Manning 19 32 199 59.4 6.2 1 0 87.9
Roethlisb 13 29 189 44.8 6.5 5 35 1 4 38.5
Face it man, you got your heads handed to you AT HOME. ;D ;D
there's a new kid in town
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Even with those stats we still could've (and would've) won if our long snapper didn't get hurt. That's right! Outplayed? That was not a well played game by either team.
Actually I think it was well played by both teams. That is the kind of game I love to see. great D by both teams. It came down to the forth quarter and if you look at the stats the Giants have been owning teams in the 4th quarter in the last 2 years. Even without bad snap Giants are getting the ball in great field position down by two with a change to at least take a lead on a FG. Eli is just clutch.
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Beat themselves is about as close as it gets...Im still disgusted, but NYG did not beat us, we lost that game
No, actually, the Giants did beat you and Eli Manning totally outplayed roffesburger: 4 INTs? 5 sacks? QB rating of 38.5? ;D
3rd down efficiency? 0/9
lost the time of possession battle by 10 minutes
You got outgained, out coached and out classed AT HOME.
good grief, the Giants are the better team and Manning is the better QB. sorry :-/
I dont know if you watched the game or not, but judging by how close the score was and how staggering these numbers were, PIT outplayed them
Saying Manning outplayed Roethlisberger is a joke. I dont think Manning got sacked once, whereas Roeth was pressured basically every play. And blaming Roethlisberger for 5 sacks just shows your intelligence for football.
The Giants OLine>>>>>PIT Oline, and that was the difference. I figured Roeth would be pressured, but the fact we got no pressure on Eli surprised
And youre kidding yourself if you think Eli Manning is a better QB than Roethlisberger. Hold your Southern bias at the door dude, bc it aint even close
the fact about this game is actually the Giants should've beat them by a lot more. They owned them in the 1st half but couldn't score a TD. if a few of those FG's are TD's the Giants win big. Eli is in the same category as Ben and in the last two years has outplayed him. People just won't admit it still because he's Peyton's brother but Eli is one of the best QB's in football right now. He has more come from behind 4th quarter wins than just about anyone in football in the last few years and to me that is much better than stats and big numbers. Ben hold on to the ball way too long, he is to blame for his sacks just as much as his O line.
Quote Eli is just clutch.
Yes he is and people hate him because he is a Manning.
Anyone who knows anything about NFL football knows how good he is. All you haters can just watch on Sundays.
Peyton's still the man in the family. He'll right the ship in Indy soon enough.
Pitt blew 3 consecutive key plays that could have secured the win in the 4th quarter but failed because of stupid penalties--they beat themselves.
QuotePitt blew 3 consecutive key plays that could have secured the win in the 4th quarter but failed because of stupid penalties--they beat themselves.
When you QB throws 4 ints and get sacked that much you don't beat yourself. You have to give credit to the other team. Even if they didn't have those penalties there is no guarantee they would've scored with the way the Giants D was playing. Pitt played solid D down in the Red Zone and that kept them in the game early. Giants won the 4th quarter 12-0 and that was the game.
QuotePitt blew 3 consecutive key plays that could have secured the win in the 4th quarter but failed because of stupid penalties--they beat themselves.
0/9 on 3rd down is not beating yourselves.
Look, I'm a Saints fan, let me teach you how to act when you lose...
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the fact about this game is actually the Giants should've beat them by a lot more. They owned them in the 1st half but couldn't score a TD. if a few of those FG's are TD's the Giants win big. Eli is in the same category as Ben and in the last two years has outplayed him. People just won't admit it still because he's Peyton's brother but Eli is one of the best QB's in football right now. He has more come from behind 4th quarter wins than just about anyone in football in the last few years and to me that is much better than stats and big numbers. Ben hold on to the ball way too long, he is to blame for his sacks just as much as his O line.
Yeah, and if a few of those INTs werent INTs, we win the game. When youre playing the #1 D in the NFL, youre not gonna get a TD every time youre in the red zone.
And you gotta be kidding me if you think Eli is as good as Roethlisberger, and especially kidding that hes been better than him the last 2 years.
Eli
G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate
16 16 297 529 56.1 3,336 6.3 23 20 27 217 73.9 (2007)
7 7 137 223 61.4 1,588 7.1 9 4 6 42 88.9 (2008)
Ben
G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate
15 15 264 404 65.3 3,154 7.8 32 11 47 347 104.1 (2007)
7 7 109 181 60.2 1,352 7.5 10 7 23 146 85.7 (2008)
Well, I think 2007 speaks for itself. Roeth had almost 10% higher completion percentage, 9 more TDs, 9
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This year is pretty even, but before yesterday Roethlisbergers QB rating was again much higher than Mannings. And if you consider Roethlisberger has been sacked this year almost as much as Manning was for all of 2008, plus hes played better competition, its fair to say Roethlisberger is having a better year.
1 of the best stats to judge a QB by is yards per attempt though bc it really demonstrates their efficiency. Eli's the last 2 years are 6.31 YPA, and 7.12 YPA. Ben's have been 7.81 YPA, and 7.47. Again nuff said
Roethlisberger has been in talks for the NFL MVP this year, and havent heard anyone say that about Manning. You switch each QBs offensive lines, and it wouldnt even be close. Eli would look like a turkey 2 days before Thanksgiving behind our offensive line
Eli Manning took Ole Miss to their first major bowl game in decades
Eli Manning was the 1st pick of the NFL draft
Eli Manning led the Giants to a Super Bowl win
And, of course, Eli Manning is a shitty QB
whatever, I guess you know more about football than I will ever know
QuoteEli Manning took Ole Miss to their first major bowl game in decades
Eli Manning was the 1st pick of the NFL draft
Eli Manning led the Giants to a Super Bowl win
And, of course, Eli Manning is a shitty QB
whatever, I guess you know more about football than I will ever know
Wow, what a great way to determine how good of a NFL player youll be. I think Tim Couch was the #1 pick too, and I could go on and on with that list.
Last time I checked, Roethlisberger has a SB win too
I never said Eli is shitty, he might be in the Top 10 QBs in the NFL, but if you think hes better than Roethlisberger when looking at their career statistics, your lying to yourself
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And I can understand it, because Eli Manning is not an elite QB in this league. He played very well in the playoffs, but he is probably not even 1 of the 10 best QBs in the NFL
Eli is their achilles, and probably will be his entire career - unless the rest of their team really sucks
my bad, I thought you were saying Eli was a shitty QB.
The Giants' "achilles" beat you yesterday and you are a sore loser b/c for some reason you hate Eli Manning. Get over it man, you lost to him! Plain and simple. ;D
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And I can understand it, because Eli Manning is not an elite QB in this league. He played very well in the playoffs, but he is probably not even 1 of the 10 best QBs in the NFL
Eli is their achilles, and probably will be his entire career - unless the rest of their team really sucks
my bad, I thought you were saying Eli was a shitty QB.
The Giants' "achilles" beat you yesterday and you are a sore loser b/c for some reason you hate Eli Manning. Get over it man, you lost to him! Plain and simple. ;D
the achilles on a reigning super bowl champion doesnt equate to being shitty necessarily, but it does mean youre not 1 of the best in the league
my pops is from NYC, so ive seen and heard about as much of the GMen as any team outside of the Steelers. Hes good, but hes just not as good with Roethlisberger
and I dont see how im being a sore loser. Im angry we lost, mostly due to our pathetic OLine and ridiculous call of putting our OLB in as our long snapper, but why wouldnt I be? NYG is a very good team, Manning just isnt a very good QB, hes above average. I have no problem losing to a good team, its when we lose to teams like Cleveland that I have a problem with ;)
QuoteQuoteEli Manning took Ole Miss to their first major bowl game in decades
Eli Manning was the 1st pick of the NFL draft
Eli Manning led the Giants to a Super Bowl win
And, of course, Eli Manning is a shitty QB
whatever, I guess you know more about football than I will ever know
Wow, what a great way to determine how good of a NFL player youll be. I think Tim Couch was the #1 pick too, and I could go on and on with that list.
Last time I checked, Roethlisberger has a SB win too
I never said Eli is shitty, he might be in the Top 10 QBs in the NFL, but if you think hes better than Roethlisberger when looking at their career statistics, your lying to yourself
I'm not looking at career stats...and I said in an earlier post it is not about #'s. My point is just that Eli has been as about as good as anyone in the last few years including Ben. What you also don't seem to realize is that there is a reason Eli doesn't get sacked as much as Ben. Ben hold on to the ball way too long. Eli gets rid of it and steps up in the pocket when he feels pressure. This is one of the biggest things to being a good QB. All I know is yesterday they went head to head and Eli didn't make any big mistakes against the best D in football while Ben threw 4 ints. That is what matters.
also
Manning and the Giants are 20-5 in their last 25 games, including the playoffs...
that tells me in the best way how good Eli has been over the last 2 years....Wins are what matter.
I think Tracy likes to argue just so he can post pics of shirtless men.
QuoteQuoteQuoteEli Manning took Ole Miss to their first major bowl game in decades
Eli Manning was the 1st pick of the NFL draft
Eli Manning led the Giants to a Super Bowl win
And, of course, Eli Manning is a shitty QB
whatever, I guess you know more about football than I will ever know
Wow, what a great way to determine how good of a NFL player youll be. I think Tim Couch was the #1 pick too, and I could go on and on with that list.
Last time I checked, Roethlisberger has a SB win too
I never said Eli is shitty, he might be in the Top 10 QBs in the NFL, but if you think hes better than Roethlisberger when looking at their career statistics, your lying to yourself
I'm not looking at career stats...and I said in an earlier post it is not about #'s. My point is just that Eli has been as about as good as anyone in the last few years including Ben. What you also don't seem to realize is that there is a reason Eli doesn't get sacked as much as Ben. Ben hold on to the ball way too long. Eli gets rid of it and steps up in the pocket when he feels pressure. This is one of the biggest things to being a good QB. All I know is yesterday they went head to head and Eli didn't make any big mistakes against the best D in football while Ben threw 4 ints. That is what matters.
I think there are instances when Roeth holds onto the ball to so long (so he can try to make a play), but dont give me this BS about how Eli gets rid of it
Hes probably behind the best OL in the NFL, and even against as good of a pass rushing team as PIT, he had all the time in the world on most plays.
Roethlisberger rarely has 2.3 seconds with our sorry excuse of an OLine
And Ben
threw 2 INTs, he
had 4 INTs
Considering we lost the turnover battle 4-0, I feel pretty good it was that close of a game. Winners aside, that felt like a playoff game yesterday and it was awesome.
QuoteI think Tracy likes to argue just so he can post pics of shirtless men.
Now thats a thought, but he pretty much just jumped around all my facts as to why Ben is a better QB
QuoteQuoteI think Tracy likes to argue just so he can post pics of shirtless men.
Now thats a thought, but he pretty much just jumped around all my facts as to why Ben is a better QB
I happen to think Eli is pretty good. It's foolish to base this one game on who's the better quarterback.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote
the fact about this game is actually the Giants should've beat them by a lot more. They owned them in the 1st half but couldn't score a TD. if a few of those FG's are TD's the Giants win big. Eli is in the same category as Ben and in the last two years has outplayed him. People just won't admit it still because he's Peyton's brother but Eli is one of the best QB's in football right now. He has more come from behind 4th quarter wins than just about anyone in football in the last few years and to me that is much better than stats and big numbers. Ben hold on to the ball way too long, he is to blame for his sacks just as much as his O line.
I can't find an official stat for 4th quarter comebacks anywhere but I do believe Ben has more than Eli.
QuoteQuoteI think Tracy likes to argue just so he can post pics of shirtless men.
Now thats a thought, but he pretty much just jumped around all my facts as to why Ben is a better QB
boogerkins, listen, I am jumping on you b/c of your hate
for Eli Manning. I like rothiesberger and he's a great QB.
I just think it's funny that you hate Eli Manning and you will
always hate him, even if he fucking cures cancer, you will
hate Eli Manning.
that's all, no more, no less. Just giving you a little bit of a
hard time. You can handle this, right? If not, PM me and I
will lay off. OK? OK! :)
And yes, I love shirtless men!
(http://www.timeout.com/chicago/resizeImage/htdocs/export_images/166/166.x600.festguide.topthree.crui.jpg)
QuoteQuoteQuoteI think Tracy likes to argue just so he can post pics of shirtless men.
Now thats a thought, but he pretty much just jumped around all my facts as to why Ben is a better QB
boogerkins, listen, I am jumping on you b/c of your hate
for Eli Manning. I like rothiesberger and he's a great QB.
I just think it's funny that you hate Eli Manning and you will
always hate him, even if he fucking cures cancer, you will
hate Eli Manning.
that's all, no more, no less. Just giving you a little bit of a
hard time. You can handle this, right? If not, PM me and I
will lay off. OK? OK! :)
And yes, I love shirtless men!
(http://www.timeout.com/chicago/resizeImage/htdocs/export_images/166/166.x600.festguide.topthree.crui.jpg)
I dont even wanna know where you found that pic, and Im still a little dumbfounded as to why you think I hate Eli Manning
I think/know Roethlisberger is a better QB, thats all. Nothing against Eli, he just isnt as good as Ben, and thats the reason I started the argument/point/proof in the first place 8-)
QuoteQuoteQuoteI think Tracy likes to argue just so he can post pics of shirtless men.
Now thats a thought, but he pretty much just jumped around all my facts as to why Ben is a better QB
boogerkins, listen, I am jumping on you b/c of your hate
for Eli Manning. I like rothiesberger and he's a great QB.
I just think it's funny that you hate Eli Manning and you will
always hate him, even if he fucking cures cancer, you will
hate Eli Manning.
that's all, no more, no less. Just giving you a little bit of a
hard time. You can handle this, right? If not, PM me and I
will lay off. OK? OK! :)
And yes, I love shirtless men!
(http://www.timeout.com/chicago/resizeImage/htdocs/export_images/166/166.x600.festguide.topthree.crui.jpg)
There's an art to hating Eli Manning. Not just him but the whole crew of them. Tracy, you know if Cooper had played ball for longer, State fans would have learned to hate him too. ;)
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI think Tracy likes to argue just so he can post pics of shirtless men.
Now thats a thought, but he pretty much just jumped around all my facts as to why Ben is a better QB
boogerkins, listen, I am jumping on you b/c of your hate
for Eli Manning. I like rothiesberger and he's a great QB.
I just think it's funny that you hate Eli Manning and you will
always hate him, even if he fucking cures cancer, you will
hate Eli Manning.
that's all, no more, no less. Just giving you a little bit of a
hard time. You can handle this, right? If not, PM me and I
will lay off. OK? OK! :)
And yes, I love shirtless men!
(http://www.timeout.com/chicago/resizeImage/htdocs/export_images/166/166.x600.festguide.topthree.crui.jpg)
There's an art to hating Eli Manning. Not just him but the whole crew of them. Tracy, you know if Cooper had played ball for longer, State fans would have learned to hate him too. ;)
Cooper ;D ;D ;D
He must of been adopted. Either that, or Mrs Manning Sr wasnt on top
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI think Tracy likes to argue just so he can post pics of shirtless men.
Now thats a thought, but he pretty much just jumped around all my facts as to why Ben is a better QB
boogerkins, listen, I am jumping on you b/c of your hate
for Eli Manning. I like rothiesberger and he's a great QB.
I just think it's funny that you hate Eli Manning and you will
always hate him, even if he fucking cures cancer, you will
hate Eli Manning.
that's all, no more, no less. Just giving you a little bit of a
hard time. You can handle this, right? If not, PM me and I
will lay off. OK? OK! :)
And yes, I love shirtless men!
(http://www.timeout.com/chicago/resizeImage/htdocs/export_images/166/166.x600.festguide.topthree.crui.jpg)
There's an art to hating Eli Manning. Not just him but the whole crew of them. Tracy, you know if Cooper had played ball for longer, State fans would have learned to hate him too. ;)
Cooper ;D ;D ;D
He must of been adopted. Either that, or Mrs Manning Sr wasnt on top
;D He's like "the Beav", I'm sure he has one hell of a sense of humor. ;D
here's a great story on Cooper Manning and how he was almost paralyzed for life. Some say he was the best athelete of the 3.
http://www.sptimes.com/2004/11/07/Sports/The_other_Manning.shtml
Go Titans!!!!
They scared me for a bit last night, but pulled it out. Hot damn!
Quote
I think/know Roethlisberger is a better QB, thats all. Nothing against Eli, he just isnt as good as Ben, and thats the reason I started the argument/point/proof in the first place 8-)
Today on ESPN, Steve Young (when asked who was the top QB in the NFL) said it was Eli Manning or Drew Brees. He also went on to say there was no break-away "super" QB this season.
You've heard of Steve Young, right? He knows a little bit about being a QB in the NFL.
QuoteQuote
I think/know Roethlisberger is a better QB, thats all. Nothing against Eli, he just isnt as good as Ben, and thats the reason I started the argument/point/proof in the first place 8-)
Today on ESPN, Steve Young (when asked who was the top QB in the NFL) said it was Eli Manning or Drew Brees. He also went on to say there was no break-away "super" QB this season.
You've heard of Steve Young, right? He knows a little bit about being a QB in the NFL.
It is a simple question of who is playing well right now....Brees is having a great year....so is Eli 6-1.
Brees is having a great year on paper, but the Saints could be playing better.
I haven't looked at Eli's numbers, but the Giants have a good record.
So which is better? The guy with better numbers or the guy leading his team to wins?
QuoteQuote
I think/know Roethlisberger is a better QB, thats all. Nothing against Eli, he just isnt as good as Ben, and thats the reason I started the argument/point/proof in the first place 8-)
Today on ESPN, Steve Young (when asked who was the top QB in the NFL) said it was Eli Manning or Drew Brees. He also went on to say there was no break-away "super" QB this season.
You've heard of Steve Young, right? He knows a little bit about being a QB in the NFL.
;D ;D ;D
Steve Young could play football, but hes as bad of an analyst as Emmitt Smith. I almost guarantee you the whole reason Eli is mentioned in that breath is their record, and especially their huge win 2 days ago being in the forefront of his mind. Id put money that he doesnt know how his stats compare to most other top QBs this year.
My Top 10 Current QBs would be (not just 2008, currently playing):
1 - Peyton Manning
2 - Ben Roethlisberger
3 - Tom Brady
4 - Drew Brees
5 - Donovan McNabb
6 - Tony Romo
7 - Carson Palmer
8 - Jay Cutler
9 - Philip Rivers
10 - Eli Manning
I think thats a pretty accurate order when basing these QBs purely on skills and when accounting for career numbers/accomplishments, team situation, and how long/often theyve put up Top 10 numbers.
Jason Campbell and Aaron Rodgers are on a fast track to making this list, but dont have enough of a track record yet to be on it.
Brett Favre is about the only QB whose past numbers didnt put him on this list, because he simply isnt a Top 10 QB anymore
Kurt Warner is hard to rank. Had he played more from 2002-2006, hed probably be on this list
QuoteQuoteQuote
I think/know Roethlisberger is a better QB, thats all. Nothing against Eli, he just isnt as good as Ben, and thats the reason I started the argument/point/proof in the first place 8-)
Today on ESPN, Steve Young (when asked who was the top QB in the NFL) said it was Eli Manning or Drew Brees. He also went on to say there was no break-away "super" QB this season.
You've heard of Steve Young, right? He knows a little bit about being a QB in the NFL.
;D ;D ;D
Steve Young could play football, but hes as bad of an analyst as Emmitt Smith. I almost guarantee you the whole reason Eli is mentioned in that breath is their record, and especially their huge win 2 days ago being in the forefront of his mind. Id put money that he doesnt know how his stats compare to most other top QBs this year.
My Top 10 Current QBs would be (not just 2008, currently playing):
1 - Peyton Manning
2 - Ben Roethlisberger
3 - Tom Brady
4 - Drew Brees
5 - Donovan McNabb
6 - Tony Romo
7 - Carson Palmer
8 - Jay Cutler
9 - Philip Rivers
10 - Eli Manning
I think thats a pretty accurate order when basing these QBs purely on skills and when accounting for career numbers/accomplishments, team situation, and how long/often theyve put up Top 10 numbers.
Jason Campbell and Aaron Rodgers are on a fast track to making this list, but dont have enough of a track record yet to be on it.
Brett Favre is about the only QB whose past numbers didnt put him on this list, because he simply isnt a Top 10 QB anymore
Kurt Warner is hard to rank. Had he played more from 2002-2006, hed probably be on this list
Carson Palmer has a QB rating of 69 and his team is 0-7, but he's a better QB than Manning. And Kurt Warner is at 101, avg. 300 yards a game and not in the top 10.
And Rothliesberger is better than Brady?
OK, have a good one. later
If you actually read my reasoning, Im not just counting 2008. In fact, Im counting 2008 less than anything. If were just going by 2008, you could say Chad Pennington is the best QB in the NFL, yeak, ok
Not sure Im following your logic either. Carson Palmer isnt on your list because of 2008, but Tom Brady's 2 quarters of play do put him on the list?!!?
I said my case for Warner. I own him on almost all of my fantasy teams so I know the season he's having, he just didnt do enough from 2002-2006 when he was a backup to keep him amongst the Top 10
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-steelers-tippedplay&prov=ap&type=lgns
[size=14]Manning tipped Steelers to key goal-line play[/size]
By ALAN ROBINSON, AP Sports Writer
Oct 27, 4:38 pm EDT
PITTSBURGH (AP)—The Steelers knew what the Giants would do before 264-pound running back Brandon Jacobs was stopped on a key goal-line play early in New York's 21-14 win in Pittsburgh on Sunday.
The tipster? Giants quarterback Eli Manning.
Defensive end Brett Keisel overheard Manning mouthing the play call and lined up the defense before Jacobs was stopped inches short of the goal line on the fourth-and-1 play early in the second quarter.
The goal-line stand—Jacobs failed on three successive plays to get in from the 1—temporarily preserved Pittsburgh's 7-3 lead.
"I was watching Eli's lips the whole time and I saw him say, `32,' so I went over and tried to tell everyone, `It's right here,' and we stopped it," Keisel said. "That was a big play in the game."
Asked if he heard Manning yell out the play call, Keisel said, "Yeah."
By hearing "32," Keisel deduced the Giants would run the ball behind right guard Chris Snee.
"I'm guessing it's the 2-drop, which is right off center-guard," Keisel said. "And that's the play they ran and we stopped them. I'm proud of our defense. Our defense played their tails off."
Giants coach Tom Coughlin challenged the spot, and TV replays appeared to show Jacobs getting the ball across the goal line before he was stopped. The ruling on the field was upheld after review.
"I was in," Jacobs said. "I guess they didn't get the right (TV) angle (on the replay). We were playing against 11 people and—what—16 people to be honest with you," a reference to the officiating crew.
The play before, referee Bill Carollo's crew initially ruled Jacobs got in from the 1, but the Steelers challenged and the call was overturned, with the ball spotted inside the 1.
The officiating crew was down one man because head linesman John Schleyer was ill.
The Steelers' defense didn't allow a touchdown until a safety, and the favorable field position created by the ensuing free kick, allowed the Giants to start a game-winning drive at their own 47 late in the fourth quarter. The seven-play drive ended with Manning's 2-yard TD pass to tight end Kevin Boss on second-and-goal with 3:07 remaining.
The Steelers limited New York's NFL-leading rushing offense to 83 yards on 35 carries, a 2.4-yards-per-carry average, but did not sack Manning. Pittsburgh came into the game with a league-high 25 sacks.
"They're maybe the best defense in football right now," Giants wide receiver Plaxico Burress said.
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I dont know whats more surprising: The great Eli Manning tipping the defense, or Plex saying Pittsburgh has the best D in the NFL ;D
Quotehttp://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-steelers-tippedplay&prov=ap&type=lgns
[size=14]Manning tipped Steelers to key goal-line play[/size]
By ALAN ROBINSON, AP Sports Writer
Oct 27, 4:38 pm EDT
PITTSBURGH (AP)—The Steelers knew what the Giants would do before 264-pound running back Brandon Jacobs was stopped on a key goal-line play early in New York's 21-14 win in Pittsburgh on Sunday.
The tipster? Giants quarterback Eli Manning.
Defensive end Brett Keisel overheard Manning mouthing the play call and lined up the defense before Jacobs was stopped inches short of the goal line on the fourth-and-1 play early in the second quarter.
The goal-line stand—Jacobs failed on three successive plays to get in from the 1—temporarily preserved Pittsburgh's 7-3 lead.
"I was watching Eli's lips the whole time and I saw him say, `32,' so I went over and tried to tell everyone, `It's right here,' and we stopped it," Keisel said. "That was a big play in the game."
Asked if he heard Manning yell out the play call, Keisel said, "Yeah."
By hearing "32," Keisel deduced the Giants would run the ball behind right guard Chris Snee.
"I'm guessing it's the 2-drop, which is right off center-guard," Keisel said. "And that's the play they ran and we stopped them. I'm proud of our defense. Our defense played their tails off."
Giants coach Tom Coughlin challenged the spot, and TV replays appeared to show Jacobs getting the ball across the goal line before he was stopped. The ruling on the field was upheld after review.
"I was in," Jacobs said. "I guess they didn't get the right (TV) angle (on the replay). We were playing against 11 people and—what—16 people to be honest with you," a reference to the officiating crew.
The play before, referee Bill Carollo's crew initially ruled Jacobs got in from the 1, but the Steelers challenged and the call was overturned, with the ball spotted inside the 1.
The officiating crew was down one man because head linesman John Schleyer was ill.
The Steelers' defense didn't allow a touchdown until a safety, and the favorable field position created by the ensuing free kick, allowed the Giants to start a game-winning drive at their own 47 late in the fourth quarter. The seven-play drive ended with Manning's 2-yard TD pass to tight end Kevin Boss on second-and-goal with 3:07 remaining.
The Steelers limited New York's NFL-leading rushing offense to 83 yards on 35 carries, a 2.4-yards-per-carry average, but did not sack Manning. Pittsburgh came into the game with a league-high 25 sacks.
"They're maybe the best defense in football right now," Giants wide receiver Plaxico Burress said.
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I dont know whats more surprising: The great Eli Manning tipping the defense, or Plex saying Pittsburgh has the best D in the NFL ;D
This is the dumbest story I've heard all week....oh my god the Giants have the ball on the goaline and they are going to give to Jacobs to run up the middle??? shocking. I think if Pittsburg asked Jacobs or Eli what the play was they would've told them....and would Pitts D changed in anyway? no...you push the D to the middle on the goaline.
QuoteBrees is having a great year on paper, but the Saints could be playing better.
I haven't looked at Eli's numbers, but the Giants have a good record.
So which is better? The guy with better numbers or the guy leading his team to wins?
I think if you ask Brees he would rather be 6-1.
QuoteQuoteQuote
I think/know Roethlisberger is a better QB, thats all. Nothing against Eli, he just isnt as good as Ben, and thats the reason I started the argument/point/proof in the first place 8-)
Today on ESPN, Steve Young (when asked who was the top QB in the NFL) said it was Eli Manning or Drew Brees. He also went on to say there was no break-away "super" QB this season.
You've heard of Steve Young, right? He knows a little bit about being a QB in the NFL.
;D ;D ;D
Steve Young could play football, but hes as bad of an analyst as Emmitt Smith. I almost guarantee you the whole reason Eli is mentioned in that breath is their record, and especially their huge win 2 days ago being in the forefront of his mind. Id put money that he doesnt know how his stats compare to most other top QBs this year.
My Top 10 Current QBs would be (not just 2008, currently playing):
1 - Peyton Manning
2 - Ben Roethlisberger
3 - Tom Brady
4 - Drew Brees
5 - Donovan McNabb
6 - Tony Romo
7 - Carson Palmer
8 - Jay Cutler
9 - Philip Rivers
10 - Eli Manning
I think thats a pretty accurate order when basing these QBs purely on skills and when accounting for career numbers/accomplishments, team situation, and how long/often theyve put up Top 10 numbers.
Jason Campbell and Aaron Rodgers are on a fast track to making this list, but dont have enough of a track record yet to be on it.
Brett Favre is about the only QB whose past numbers didnt put him on this list, because he simply isnt a Top 10 QB anymore
Kurt Warner is hard to rank. Had he played more from 2002-2006, hed probably be on this list
that list is laughable. What has Tony Romo done is his career, this year or ever besides blow playoff games? and Carson Palmer? Ben over Brady?? absolute joke.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote
I think/know Roethlisberger is a better QB, thats all. Nothing against Eli, he just isnt as good as Ben, and thats the reason I started the argument/point/proof in the first place 8-)
Today on ESPN, Steve Young (when asked who was the top QB in the NFL) said it was Eli Manning or Drew Brees. He also went on to say there was no break-away "super" QB this season.
You've heard of Steve Young, right? He knows a little bit about being a QB in the NFL.
;D ;D ;D
Steve Young could play football, but hes as bad of an analyst as Emmitt Smith. I almost guarantee you the whole reason Eli is mentioned in that breath is their record, and especially their huge win 2 days ago being in the forefront of his mind. Id put money that he doesnt know how his stats compare to most other top QBs this year.
My Top 10 Current QBs would be (not just 2008, currently playing):
1 - Peyton Manning
2 - Ben Roethlisberger
3 - Tom Brady
4 - Drew Brees
5 - Donovan McNabb
6 - Tony Romo
7 - Carson Palmer
8 - Jay Cutler
9 - Philip Rivers
10 - Eli Manning
I think thats a pretty accurate order when basing these QBs purely on skills and when accounting for career numbers/accomplishments, team situation, and how long/often theyve put up Top 10 numbers.
Jason Campbell and Aaron Rodgers are on a fast track to making this list, but dont have enough of a track record yet to be on it.
Brett Favre is about the only QB whose past numbers didnt put him on this list, because he simply isnt a Top 10 QB anymore
Kurt Warner is hard to rank. Had he played more from 2002-2006, hed probably be on this list
that list is laughable. What has Tony Romo done is his career, this year or ever besides blow playoff games? and Carson Palmer? Ben over Brady?? absolute joke.
Not to mention that Favre is > if not = all on that list; nothing to do with his past. He's still a dumb, bad motherfucker.
Romo has been 1 of the top QBs the past 2+ years (and just look at how Dallas' passing game has looked the last couple weeks w/o him). Nice Giants fan bias right there, man.
Palmer has been 1 of the top QBs since about 2004
Brady has benefitted from his offensive line for his whole career, and Roethlisbergers ability to get out of the pocket puts him over Brady
And Im not sure how Favre is > or = to everyone on my list. Yeah, hes near the top in TD's this year, but hes also leading the NFL in INT's. Outside of 2007, Favre's play for the last 5 years hasnt been close to Top 10 stuff
QuoteQuoteBrees is having a great year on paper, but the Saints could be playing better.
I haven't looked at Eli's numbers, but the Giants have a good record.
So which is better? The guy with better numbers or the guy leading his team to wins?
I think if you ask Brees he would rather be 6-1.
So its official. Eli Manning is better than Brees bc he has a better supporting cast and defense ;D ;D
QuoteQuoteQuoteBrees is having a great year on paper, but the Saints could be playing better.
I haven't looked at Eli's numbers, but the Giants have a good record.
So which is better? The guy with better numbers or the guy leading his team to wins?
I think if you ask Brees he would rather be 6-1.
So its official. Eli Manning is better than Brees bc he has a better supporting cast and defense ;D ;D
Honestly you lost all credibilty...I'm the biggest Pats hater there is...let me say it again 18-1....but only a complete idiot would say Ben is better than Brady unless you have been sleeping for the last 7 years or so.
Eli is having a great year....he is doing exactly what he needs to do for him team to win. He doesn't need to throw 4 TD's a game like Brees.
Seriously have you seen Brady play? Your statement about Ben getting out of the pocket is hilarious. He gets sacked more than anyone and if you turned on ESPN or any other sports station this week you would hear the same thing...all they have been talking about is how Ben holds on to the ball too long.
and to leave Farve off that list....haha.
Carson would be much higher on everyone's list if he had Eli's O-line, here's my list:
1) Peyton Manning
2) Tom Brady
3) Ben Rothlisberger
4) Carson Palmer
5) Drew Brees
6) Phillip Rivers
7) Eli Manning
8) Aaron Rodgers
9) Donovan McNabb
10) Tony Romo
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBrees is having a great year on paper, but the Saints could be playing better.
I haven't looked at Eli's numbers, but the Giants have a good record.
So which is better? The guy with better numbers or the guy leading his team to wins?
I think if you ask Brees he would rather be 6-1.
So its official. Eli Manning is better than Brees bc he has a better supporting cast and defense ;D ;D
Honestly you lost all credibilty...I'm the biggest Pats hater there is...let me say it again 18-1....but only a complete idiot would say Ben is better than Brady unless you have been sleeping for the last 7 years or so.
Eli is having a great year....he is doing exactly what he needs to do for him team to win. He doesn't need to throw 4 TD's a game like Brees.
Seriously have you seen Brady play? Your statement about Ben getting out of the pocket is hilarious. He gets sacked more than anyone and if you turned on ESPN or any other sports station this week you would hear the same thing...all they have been talking about is how Ben holds on to the ball too long.
and to leave Farve off that list....haha.
I guess Im a complete idiot for thinking Roeth is a slightly better QB than Brady. When you have a brick wall for a offensive line and video cameras, most of the QBs in the Top 10 can look about that good
I guess your blinders on Roeth are more than I thought too bc Roethlisberger doesnt need to throw 4 TDs a game either for his team to win. Just to remind you, you played us with our 3rd string RB too
Roethlisberger is the best QB in the NFL at making plays when nothing is there. The pathetic OLine we have is why he gets sacked like ham sandwiches for a 2nd grader, but you know less about football than my mom if you blame Ben for getting sacked with 2 seconds to make a play. While he should throw the ball away more often, as a NYG fan you really dont understand how important an offensive line is apparently
And I think its laughable 2 people now have said Favre is a Top 10 QB in 2008. Hes got 2 pro bowl caliber WRs and hes still not Top 10
QuoteCarson would be much higher on everyone's list if he had Eli's O-line, here's my list:
1) Peyton Manning
2) Tom Brady
3) Ben Rothlisberger
4) Carson Palmer
5) Drew Brees
6) Phillip Rivers
7) Eli Manning
8) Aaron Rodgers
9) Donovan McNabb
10) Tony Romo
aMD, you ARE da MAN
The only players not on both of our lists are Jay Cutler and Aaron Rodgers. I liked too much of what Ive seen of Cutler to leave him off, and Rodgers is just about there
These fools ripping me for Carson Palmer are hilarious and the point you brought up is 1 of the biggest reasons why (him and Roethlisberger should start talking i think ;))
It appears great football minds think alike
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBrees is having a great year on paper, but the Saints could be playing better.
I haven't looked at Eli's numbers, but the Giants have a good record.
So which is better? The guy with better numbers or the guy leading his team to wins?
I think if you ask Brees he would rather be 6-1.
So its official. Eli Manning is better than Brees bc he has a better supporting cast and defense ;D ;D
Honestly you lost all credibilty...I'm the biggest Pats hater there is...let me say it again 18-1....but only a complete idiot would say Ben is better than Brady unless you have been sleeping for the last 7 years or so.
Eli is having a great year....he is doing exactly what he needs to do for him team to win. He doesn't need to throw 4 TD's a game like Brees.
Seriously have you seen Brady play? Your statement about Ben getting out of the pocket is hilarious. He gets sacked more than anyone and if you turned on ESPN or any other sports station this week you would hear the same thing...all they have been talking about is how Ben holds on to the ball too long.
and to leave Farve off that list....haha.
I guess Im a complete idiot for thinking Roeth is a slightly better QB than Brady. When you have a brick wall for a offensive line and video cameras, most of the QBs in the Top 10 can look about that good
I guess your blinders on Roeth are more than I thought too bc Roethlisberger doesnt need to throw 4 TDs a game either for his team to win. Just to remind you, you played us with our 3rd string RB too
Roethlisberger is the best QB in the NFL at making plays when nothing is there. The pathetic OLine we have is why he gets sacked like ham sandwiches for a 2nd grader, but you know less about football than my mom if you blame Ben for getting sacked with 2 seconds to make a play. While he should throw the ball away more often, as a NYG fan you really dont understand how important an offensive line is apparently
And I think its laughable 2 people now have said Favre is a Top 10 QB in 2008. Hes got 2 pro bowl caliber WRs and hes still not Top 10
2 seconds to make a play?? you obviously did not watch the game sunday....he wanders around the pocket until it collapses. All your excuses about O line and this and that....bottom line the Giants don't have a single Probowl Offensive lineman. You are all excuses, we beat you with your 3rd string RB? We beat you with our best WR benched...big deal. Bottom line is Eli made the plays when he had to, didn't make mistakes. Ben threw 4 int's and had plenty of times when he should've thrown the ball away or made a play. Oh and Eli faced one of the best defenses in football, you should know if you are a Pitts fan.
and first of all you said you list was not based just on this year...in fact you said this year did not count that much...to say Farve is not a top 10 QB in the last few years or forever for that matter is a joke. He took his team the NFC championship last year. You are going to put Jay Cutler and Palmer ahead of Farve? get a reality check.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBrees is having a great year on paper, but the Saints could be playing better.
I haven't looked at Eli's numbers, but the Giants have a good record.
So which is better? The guy with better numbers or the guy leading his team to wins?
I think if you ask Brees he would rather be 6-1.
So its official. Eli Manning is better than Brees bc he has a better supporting cast and defense ;D ;D
Honestly you lost all credibilty...I'm the biggest Pats hater there is...let me say it again 18-1....but only a complete idiot would say Ben is better than Brady unless you have been sleeping for the last 7 years or so.
Eli is having a great year....he is doing exactly what he needs to do for him team to win. He doesn't need to throw 4 TD's a game like Brees.
Seriously have you seen Brady play? Your statement about Ben getting out of the pocket is hilarious. He gets sacked more than anyone and if you turned on ESPN or any other sports station this week you would hear the same thing...all they have been talking about is how Ben holds on to the ball too long.
and to leave Farve off that list....haha.
I guess Im a complete idiot for thinking Roeth is a slightly better QB than Brady. When you have a brick wall for a offensive line and video cameras, most of the QBs in the Top 10 can look about that good
I guess your blinders on Roeth are more than I thought too bc Roethlisberger doesnt need to throw 4 TDs a game either for his team to win. Just to remind you, you played us with our 3rd string RB too
Roethlisberger is the best QB in the NFL at making plays when nothing is there. The pathetic OLine we have is why he gets sacked like ham sandwiches for a 2nd grader, but you know less about football than my mom if you blame Ben for getting sacked with 2 seconds to make a play. While he should throw the ball away more often, as a NYG fan you really dont understand how important an offensive line is apparently
And I think its laughable 2 people now have said Favre is a Top 10 QB in 2008. Hes got 2 pro bowl caliber WRs and hes still not Top 10
so your reasoning is if everyone QB on that list had Brady's O line they would be as good as Brady? wow...you are clueless.
Chad Pennington anyone? Yes please! He may not have Farve's arm strength but he also doesn't have Farve's decision making skills either ;)
GO DOLPHINS! Give em some credit- the beat 3 pretty good teams, I'm not saying that they are the Titans- but they certainly aren't last years team- Anyone think they can make it into the playoffs?
what about derek anderson!
-screw you guys, i'm goin home!! (cartman)
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBrees is having a great year on paper, but the Saints could be playing better.
I haven't looked at Eli's numbers, but the Giants have a good record.
So which is better? The guy with better numbers or the guy leading his team to wins?
I think if you ask Brees he would rather be 6-1.
So its official. Eli Manning is better than Brees bc he has a better supporting cast and defense ;D ;D
Honestly you lost all credibilty...I'm the biggest Pats hater there is...let me say it again 18-1....but only a complete idiot would say Ben is better than Brady unless you have been sleeping for the last 7 years or so.
Eli is having a great year....he is doing exactly what he needs to do for him team to win. He doesn't need to throw 4 TD's a game like Brees.
Seriously have you seen Brady play? Your statement about Ben getting out of the pocket is hilarious. He gets sacked more than anyone and if you turned on ESPN or any other sports station this week you would hear the same thing...all they have been talking about is how Ben holds on to the ball too long.
and to leave Farve off that list....haha.
I guess Im a complete idiot for thinking Roeth is a slightly better QB than Brady. When you have a brick wall for a offensive line and video cameras, most of the QBs in the Top 10 can look about that good
I guess your blinders on Roeth are more than I thought too bc Roethlisberger doesnt need to throw 4 TDs a game either for his team to win. Just to remind you, you played us with our 3rd string RB too
Roethlisberger is the best QB in the NFL at making plays when nothing is there. The pathetic OLine we have is why he gets sacked like ham sandwiches for a 2nd grader, but you know less about football than my mom if you blame Ben for getting sacked with 2 seconds to make a play. While he should throw the ball away more often, as a NYG fan you really dont understand how important an offensive line is apparently
And I think its laughable 2 people now have said Favre is a Top 10 QB in 2008. Hes got 2 pro bowl caliber WRs and hes still not Top 10
so your reasoning is if everyone QB on that list had Brady's O line they would be as good as Brady? wow...you are clueless.
I dont think all of them would throw 50 TDs (and before last yr, I believe Brady's high was 28), but any of those QBs have enough ability for them to have their maximum effectiveness for their skill sets behind a line like NE's.
Eli Manning is a great example of this because that OLine is just as good in all liklihood as NE's. And its just like it, no pro bowlers, but a group that has played together for multiple years and has not had injuries and as a unit are great.
As for Favre, if I was strictly going on numbers, yes, he would be in the top 10. When I said I was going by previous numbers, I didnt mean stuff from 1996 but more performance over the last 5 years or so. In retrospect, I think I favored Favre's current play a bit much bc he isnt 1 of the 10 best QBs anymore, but his play over the last few years was probably good enough for the bottom half of the top 10.
1) Brady
2) Favre
3) Bradshaw
4) Montana
:o
Quote1) Brady
2) Favre
3) Bradshaw
4) Montana
:o
That's not a bad list. I'm only wondering where Marino, Young, Elway, and P. Manning fit into the picture.
No way Favre is on my top ten all-time list. Sure he can make remarkable plays but they are in between dumb decisions that lead to big interceptions. That is a reason he's only won one Super Bowl and that Green Bay didn't want him back. Remember the AFC Championship in Lambeau and the old man couldn't cut it? I seem to remember it ending with a dumb interception. I'm glad he's hearing the boo birds in NY! No man deserves that much ass kissed!
I'd have to think about my all-time list...
QuoteNo way Favre is on my top ten all-time list. Sure he can make remarkable plays but they are in between dumb decisions that lead to big interceptions. That is a reason he's only won one Super Bowl and that Green Bay didn't want him back. Remember the AFC Championship in Lambeau and the old man couldn't cut it? I seem to remember it ending with a dumb interception. I'm glad he's hearing the boo birds in NY! No man deserves that much ass kissed!
I'd have to think about my all-time list...
I don't remember Farve ever playing in the AFC until this year.
Farve is in my top 10 ever. I just love the way he plays the game and there is no denying how great a QB he was and the fact that he is still playing at this level is incredible. Not to mention being the toughest QB ever. Most QB's are lucky to win one Superbowl, just ask Dan Marino.
Quotewhat about derek anderson!
-screw you guys, i'm goin home!! (cartman)
Derek who???
10 Best Ever (that I remember)
Dan Marino
John Elway
Joe Montana
Roger Staubach
Bret Favre
Terry Bradshaw
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Fran Tarkenton
Archie Manning
Quote10 Best Ever (that I remember)
Dan Marino
John Elway
Joe Montana
Roger Staubach
Bret Favre
Terry Bradshaw
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Fran Tarkenton
Archie Manning
;D ;D ;D ;D
Are you related to the Mannings dude?!
Do you have stock shares of Manning, Inc.?!
QuoteQuote10 Best Ever (that I remember)
Dan Marino
John Elway
Joe Montana
Roger Staubach
Bret Favre
Terry Bradshaw
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Fran Tarkenton
Archie Manning
;D ;D ;D ;D
Are you related to the Mannings dude?!
Do you have stock shares of Manning, Inc.?!
I guess you never saw Archie Manning play football. All the experts say he was an All-Pro QB on a Non-Pro team (the Aints).
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Im familiar with those thoughts, but still, were talking about Top 10 alltime
That exact reasoning is why Carson Palmer is still in my current Top 10 QBs in the league, which you called bogus
Me leaving Favre off my current Top 10>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Putting Archie on an alltime Top 10
Nice list Tracy, but I'd add Warren Moon too. His best years were arguably, came when he played for Edmonton in the CFL when the league wasn't considered 2nd tier.
QuoteIm familiar with those thoughts, but still, were talking about Top 10 alltime
That exact reasoning is why Carson Palmer is still in my current Top 10 QBs in the league, which you called bogus
Me leaving Favre off my current Top 10>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Putting Archie on an alltime Top 10
I said 10 best that I remember (that I have seen play, or can remember seeing).
QuoteNice list Tracy, but I'd add Warren Moon too. His best years were arguably, came when he played for Edmonton in the CFL when the league wasn't considered 2nd tier.
Literally, ;D ;D ;D at that
I think Brett Favre is the white Warren Moon. They played for so long, theyre bound to have HOF type numbers
Both are def very good QBs, but still.....
QuoteNice list Tracy, but I'd add Warren Moon too. His best years were arguably, came when he played for Edmonton in the CFL when the league wasn't considered 2nd tier.
I agree with that, I was a big Moon fan even when he was at Washington and they beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl.
but he's no Jay Cutler...
Is Pittsburg going to beat the Redskins this week? As a Giants fan I hope so.
QuoteIs Pittsburg going to beat the Redskins this week? As a Giants fan I hope so.
I think we will, but Portis seems to be able to put 100 on everyone so who knows..Thatll probably be the deciding factor
Having Santonio Holmes back wont hurt either
QuoteQuoteIs Pittsburg going to beat the Redskins this week? As a Giants fan I hope so.
I think we will, but Portis seems to be able to put 100 on everyone so who knows..Thatll probably be the deciding factor
Having Santonio Holmes back wont hurt either
Portis is probably the league MVP so far....not to mention Jason Campbell has not thrown a INT yet this year. It will be a tough game.
Its spelled Pittsburgh BTW.
Giants took care of Dallas.....Glad to see Jerry Jones made sure they had some quality backup QB's along with his new stadium which he says is the greatest building besides the White House.
Brandon Jacobs is slowly turning into one of my favorite running backs
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steelers 23, skins 17. at least it better be...i work with ravens and skins fans...i can't have the steelers lose now. i'll never hear the end of it.
QuoteBrandon Jacobs is slowly turning into one of my favorite running backs
If that monster got more carries, hed be perrenial Top 5 in rushing yards the next 5+ years alongside Adrian Peterson and Marion the Barberion
all right headdy, I want a top notch prediction for the game tonight; as many details as possible
QuoteBrandon Jacobs is slowly turning into one of my favorite running backs
(http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2007/11/18/amd_brandonjacobs.jpg)
He is the man and Derek Ward is not to far behind...that guy does something good everytime he's in the game.
Quoteall right headdy, I want a top notch prediction for the game tonight; as many details as possible
2 keys to the game:
1) Hold Portis below 4 YPC and 100 yards rushing
2) PIT OLine. Keep it 3 sacks or less on Roeth and limit how many times he is hit and pressured.
I think were going to make Campbell beat us, and with that in mind, I dont see Portis getting 100 yards rushing. Hes averaged over 5 YPC in each of the last 5 games, while also going over 120yds rushing in each game. The score and how successfully WAS can move down the field will dictate how many carries he gets, but I would consider 85 rush yards a good game for him
Campbell has only played 2 good pass rushing teams this year - NYG and PHI. For those games, he averaged 55.4% completions, 154.5 pass yards, and .5 TDs. Not very good. I dont think Campbell can beat us judging by those stats, but if he does, it will be due to a dink and dunk passing game that is likely combined with Portis having more success than I predicted him having above. I think he he throws his 1st INT this week, most likely to Polamalu, Farrior, or Woodley
Apparently Chris Kemoeatu, our LG, injured himself in pregame warmups and is a no-go, which obviously hurts even more, but WAS strength on D is not their pass rush, its the ability of their LB corps to contain offenses. Their sack leader is Andre Carter with 2.0 sacks, and a pedestrian 16 sacks on the season for WAS. That said, are OLine can make anyone's pass rush look good, so this matchup will be huge. If Roethlisberger consistently has time, there is no way their secondary (and WAS D has 0 INTs) will be able to stop our passing game
I think PIT can still win the game if Portis has success, but they have no chance if they cant keep Roeth upright.
It will also be interesting to see how Fast Willie looks in his 1st action in over a month
PIT 27
WAS 17
Were making Portis look mediocre right now
Were all over Campbell like a pedophile on an 8 year old
But out OLine still sucks. Why they dont roll out Roethlisberger, call more quick passes, and call more plays in the shotgun with 2 RBs in the backfield is beyond me.
Ouch...possibly no Roeth for the 2nd half
And now we have Leadfeet Leftwich in there...Eek! the cat
Leftwich to the rescue!!!!
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That helmet to helmet call on Farrior, on a 4th & long where they didnt convert was ridiculous....TOTALLY ridiculous
Just because my P touches her V, doesnt mean were doing it
QuoteQuoteall right headdy, I want a top notch prediction for the game tonight; as many details as possible
2 keys to the game:
1) Hold Portis below 4 YPC and 100 yards rushing
2) PIT OLine. Keep it 3 sacks or less on Roeth and limit how many times he is hit and pressured.
I think were going to make Campbell beat us, and with that in mind, I dont see Portis getting 100 yards rushing. Hes averaged over 5 YPC in each of the last 5 games, while also going over 120yds rushing in each game. The score and how successfully WAS can move down the field will dictate how many carries he gets, but I would consider 85 rush yards a good game for him
Campbell has only played 2 good pass rushing teams this year - NYG and PHI. For those games, he averaged 55.4% completions, 154.5 pass yards, and .5 TDs. Not very good. I dont think Campbell can beat us judging by those stats, but if he does, it will be due to a dink and dunk passing game that is likely combined with Portis having more success than I predicted him having above. I think he he throws his 1st INT this week, most likely to Polamalu, Farrior, or Woodley
Apparently Chris Kemoeatu, our LG, injured himself in pregame warmups and is a no-go, which obviously hurts even more, but WAS strength on D is not their pass rush, its the ability of their LB corps to contain offenses. Their sack leader is Andre Carter with 2.0 sacks, and a pedestrian 16 sacks on the season for WAS. That said, are OLine can make anyone's pass rush look good, so this matchup will be huge. If Roethlisberger consistently has time, there is no way their secondary (and WAS D has 0 INTs) will be able to stop our passing game
I think PIT can still win the game if Portis has success, but they have no chance if they cant keep Roeth upright.
It will also be interesting to see how Fast Willie looks in his 1st action in over a month
PIT 27
WAS 17
Good enough for you Tracy?? ;D
We made Campbell try to beat us, and he obviously couldnt.
55.8% completions, 206 yds, 2 INT, 49.2 passer rating, like I said, he wont put up stats good enough to win this game. Also like I said, Campbell would throw his 1st INT tonight :). 2 for good measure. Dink and Dunk passing the entire game
Portis only got
51 yards rushing, his worst rushing game of the year . I said 85 would be good for him, but judging by his YPC and receiving yards, he was WAS lone decent player tonight. That said, WAS could not move the ball down the field for shit outside of that goalline stand. Their only points were from 3&outs on an onside kick and an INT from a tipped pass.
We made their pass rush look great. 16 sacks on the season, they get 5 today.
Im now taking phone calls, 4.99/min on my picks vs. the spread this week.
Sorry, I gotta run bc GZA, Method Man, and the RZA just got here and told me "Pittsburgh Stillers Aint Nuthin' to Fuck With!!"
Go Steelers! So nice to have more steeler fans on the board, headdy! We have a Super Bowl defense, we NEED to sure up that O-Line. If the 2000 Ravens can win a Super Bowl then we can too.
Nice win by them Steelers last night. 6-2 feels nice. Big game with Indy coming up now. I think the Steelers will take to it Manning pretty good this coming Sunday.
QuoteQuoteQuoteall right headdy, I want a top notch prediction for the game tonight; as many details as possible
2 keys to the game:
1) Hold Portis below 4 YPC and 100 yards rushing
2) PIT OLine. Keep it 3 sacks or less on Roeth and limit how many times he is hit and pressured.
I think were going to make Campbell beat us, and with that in mind, I dont see Portis getting 100 yards rushing. Hes averaged over 5 YPC in each of the last 5 games, while also going over 120yds rushing in each game. The score and how successfully WAS can move down the field will dictate how many carries he gets, but I would consider 85 rush yards a good game for him
Campbell has only played 2 good pass rushing teams this year - NYG and PHI. For those games, he averaged 55.4% completions, 154.5 pass yards, and .5 TDs. Not very good. I dont think Campbell can beat us judging by those stats, but if he does, it will be due to a dink and dunk passing game that is likely combined with Portis having more success than I predicted him having above. I think he he throws his 1st INT this week, most likely to Polamalu, Farrior, or Woodley
Apparently Chris Kemoeatu, our LG, injured himself in pregame warmups and is a no-go, which obviously hurts even more, but WAS strength on D is not their pass rush, its the ability of their LB corps to contain offenses. Their sack leader is Andre Carter with 2.0 sacks, and a pedestrian 16 sacks on the season for WAS. That said, are OLine can make anyone's pass rush look good, so this matchup will be huge. If Roethlisberger consistently has time, there is no way their secondary (and WAS D has 0 INTs) will be able to stop our passing game
I think PIT can still win the game if Portis has success, but they have no chance if they cant keep Roeth upright.
It will also be interesting to see how Fast Willie looks in his 1st action in over a month
PIT 27
WAS 17
Good enough for you Tracy?? ;D
We made Campbell try to beat us, and he obviously couldnt.
55.8% completions, 206 yds, 2 INT, 49.2 passer rating, like I said, he wont put up stats good enough to win this game. Also like I said, Campbell would throw his 1st INT tonight :). 2 for good measure. Dink and Dunk passing the entire game
Portis only got 51 yards rushing, his worst rushing game of the year . I said 85 would be good for him, but judging by his YPC and receiving yards, he was WAS lone decent player tonight. That said, WAS could not move the ball down the field for shit outside of that goalline stand. Their only points were from 3&outs on an onside kick and an INT from a tipped pass.
We made their pass rush look great. 16 sacks on the season, they get 5 today.
Im now taking phone calls, 4.99/min on my picks vs. the spread this week.
Sorry, I gotta run bc GZA, Method Man, and the RZA just got here and told me "Pittsburgh Stillers Aint Nuthin' to Fuck With!!"
Well played sir, well played.
Nice W for the Steelers....looked like a big offensive struggle at first. Glad for the Skins loss...Giants up 2 games now in the NFC east.
QuoteBrandon Jacobs is slowly turning into one of my favorite running backs
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Crazy that Jacobs is s top 5 back right now and he has 70 carries less than Portis.
Mark Schlereth said on ESPN today that Titans have the number one defense? Maybe he should do his homework.....
http://www.nfl.com/stats/team
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-secondhalfprojections110608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
check out the turn of events in the AFC east- I support my dolphins 100% but I am hesitant to believe in this- I just want them to keep playing hard
let's go brady quinn :-)
QuoteMark Schlereth said on ESPN today that Titans have the number one defense? Maybe he should do his homework.....
http://www.nfl.com/stats/team
If you go by points allowed, TEN is #1 with 103 PA, were #2 with 116.
Judging by how we rank in yardage, and that weve played a tougher schedule, its easy to see PIT D is clearly the best in the NFL
And thats not even considering were #1 in sacks, and Woodley and Silverback are going to completely blister Lloyd&Greene's PIT record of 24 sacks in a season between 2 players
Quotelet's go brady quinn :-)
No Penny....no. We're Bronco's fans, remember? ;)
...these are not the droids you are looking for.
Quinn seems to be having a solid game so far (now in the 4th quarter), but Winslow has fucked them on the last 2 possessions. He had a costly penalty on the last drive, and just now had a fumble that led to a Bronco touchdown to put them in the lead.
The Broncos are in the victory formation. Way to go, Winslow!
Man, I'm glad that losing streak is over. Bronco's back on the winning end of things....5-4.
QuoteMan, I'm glad that losing streak is over. Bronco's back on the winning end of things....5-4.
Broncos dont deserve to be above .500......They have a talented QB, WR, and up and coming WR, but their D is terrible.
I think by the end of things, SD might end up beating them out in the AFC West. Not that thats saying much, but I still think theyre the better team out there.
That game was crazy.....I was pumped I have Eddie Royal on my fantasy team....but I can't remember a team blowing it that quickly. Denver should be better than their record, but their D is hurting. Quinn looked good but so do a lot of people against the Broncos D.
Defensive end JUSTIN TUCK of the New York Giants is the DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE WEEK for games played on November 2 - 3, the NFL announced today.
Man this dude is awesome.....after losing Osi and Strahan it is amazing he's putting up the numbers he is being double teamed as much as he is.
sigh---i'm glad i didn't buy that kellen winslow jersey---how did that happen? i'm pumped about brady quinn, though--
Winslow actually had a great game...besides dropping that 4th down pass...oh and the fumble...lol.
Quotesigh---i'm glad i didn't buy that kellen winslow jersey---how did that happen? i'm pumped about brady quinn, though--
Did I or did I not Jedi Mind Trick you a couple posts ago? Maybe I'll try some voodoo. ;)
Okay I've got to bitch about a couple things:
1) Cincy's Adam Whitworth got his helmet ripped off and nearly got his eyes intentionally gauged out last week. What does the NFL do? Fine both players 10K. What!? They're supposedly fining everyone for everything to protect players from injury and this guy gets off with a 10k fine? Sure Whitworth threw a few haymakers but he could've lost his eyes. Who wouldn't've done the same thing?
2) Ryan Torain gets intentionally injured on Thursday night football this week. That guy obviously knew Torain's knee was in an awkward position and tried to injury him. It worked. He's out for the season after only playing two quarters in his rookie year (1 TD, 68 yards, btw). And then the guy is obviously taunting him as he lays injured . On top of that, the announcers make no mention of it! They just finish their canned story about how Torain's an "unknown". The NFL could still rule against that dude but something tells me the punishment is not going to fit the crime. >:( >:( >:( >:(
OK, yes, I have Torain in fantasy football and I'm a diehard Bengals fan but still. I had to get that shit off my chest
QuoteWinslow actually had a great game...besides dropping that 4th down pass...oh and the fumble...lol.
There was also the possession before the fumble when Quinn completed a pass to someone else for a first down. Winslow, about 10 yards from where the catch was made, got flagged for offensive pass interference so the play was called back and then they failed to convert the first down and were forced to punt. I'm pretty sure the Broncos scored on that possession but I could be mistaken.
Yeah Giants! wow what a hard fought game. They really just won the game and thats all they needed to do. They made a ton of mistakes...fumbles, int and weak pass D but they came out with a W and are 3-0 in what is their tough part of the schedule.
QuoteYeah Giants! wow what a hard fought game. They really just won the game and thats all they needed to do. They made a ton of mistakes...fumbles, int and weak pass D but they came out with a W and are 3-0 in what is their tough part of the schedule.
How bout Philly running Westbrook those last 2 plays when he hadnt done jack all game?! Bad play-calling right there (though the GMen took care of what they needed to do)
Also, Reid electing to go for that extra point instead of 2 after that last TD was retarded. 1 point did nothing. If they got the 2, and then went down the field after they stopped the GMen on that subsequent drive, they would be up 3 (instead of 2) and im much better position for it to at worst likely go into OT.
GMen have nearly sealed 1st in the NFC East with that win
QuoteQuoteYeah Giants! wow what a hard fought game. They really just won the game and thats all they needed to do. They made a ton of mistakes...fumbles, int and weak pass D but they came out with a W and are 3-0 in what is their tough part of the schedule.
How bout Philly running Westbrook those last 2 plays when he hadnt done jack all game?! Bad play-calling right there (though the GMen took care of what they needed to do)
Also, Reid electing to go for that extra point instead of 2 after that last TD was retarded. 1 point did nothing. If they got the 2, and then went down the field after they stopped the GMen on that subsequent drive, they would be up 3 (instead of 2) and im much better position for it to at worst likely go into OT.
GMen have nearly sealed 1st in the NFC East with that win
Yeah Reid was bitter after the game....he barely answered questions about that. Giants took Westbrook completely out of the game. It was a weird game because Giants really dominated but right when it looked like they would pull away they would fumble or do something dumb to keep philly in it. If you look at the time of possession, running yards it looks like it should've been a blowout.
Anyone see the end of the Az/SF game? oh man SF has the worst play calling in football. No way they should not of won that game.
I watched a little of the 1st half and most of the 2nd half. I was really pulling for the 49ers. I wanna see Singletary succeed.
I think maybe Martz called those 2 running plays as a way to get back at Singletary for wanting to change over to more of a SmashMouth game, rather than an air attack game for the team. I'm probably totally wrong about that, but WTF?!?!?! If they were gonna run that play, it should have at least gone to Gore.
QuoteI watched a little of the 1st half and most of the 2nd half. I was really pulling for the 49ers. I wanna see Singletary succeed.
I think maybe Martz called those 2 running plays as a way to get back at Singletary for wanting to change over to more of a SmashMouth game, rather than an air attack game for the team. I'm probably totally wrong about that, but WTF?!?!?! If they were gonna run that play, it should have at least gone to Gore.
Yeah I mean its one thing to run it once with "Gore..who if stayed on his feet would've walked in but to run it with the backup RB from like the 2.5 yrd line is a little ridiculous. At least take a shot once, let your QB scramble a little.
the afc east is all kinds of messed up. I'm eager to see what happens on thursday!
I just hope they feed the rock to Tommy Gun Jones
Cant stop, wont stop
QuoteI just hope they feed the rock to Tommy Gun Jones
Cant stop, wont stop
before the season started; my neighbor and I bought jets-dolphins tickets for the last game of the season... neither of us thought it could be potentially the most important game both teams play this year. Of course, being a dolphins fan, I'm nervous about being in the middle of a sea of green.
As if the NFL was short on cash, these Thursday night pay-for-view games are a joke.
Pete Rozelle and Lamar Hunt are rolling in their graves.
I love my DirecTV for the fact that it carries NFL Network. :)
I was bored last thurs and ended up ordering it....Its not bad only like $7.99 a month and you get Turner Classic movies and a few other college football channels...but yeah I'd prefer it was on regular TV.
Jets-Pats should be a good game tonight.
When the Steelers play thursday night, local programming still shows it. Does it work that way for everyone else?
Yeah i'm in Boston and the Pats are on local tonight.
QuoteWhen the Steelers play thursday night, local programming still shows it. Does it work that way for everyone else?
It didn't work for us that way in Cincy (or that's what I heard). I also remember GB fans being pissed they couldn't watch a Packers game in GB. But that was last year, maybe things have changed.
I used to hate the NFL network when I didn't have it. Now I LOVE it!!!
Steeler fans would riot on the streets if a game was only televised on NFL Network.
one hell of a game those teams played- good for the jets!
was anyone else in the NY area able to see it? it wasn't on but i heard it was an awesome game. jets fans were LOUD on my block last night
Quotewas anyone else in the NY area able to see it? it wasn't on but i heard it was an awesome game. jets fans were LOUD on my block last night
i think you can watch certain games for free on nfl.com
QuoteQuotewas anyone else in the NY area able to see it? it wasn't on but i heard it was an awesome game. jets fans were LOUD on my block last night
i think you can watch certain games for free on nfl.com
I don't know how the NFL network works. I have been told that thurs nights games are exclusive but i'm in Boston and it was on locally. If it wasn't there would no doubt be a riot. I can't imagine not being able to see your team in your city. I just saw something where in Detroit you can't even see the games on sundays because they don't sell out or something? so weird.
QuoteQuoteQuotewas anyone else in the NY area able to see it? it wasn't on but i heard it was an awesome game. jets fans were LOUD on my block last night
i think you can watch certain games for free on nfl.com
I don't know how the NFL network works. I have been told that thurs nights games are exclusive but i'm in Boston and it was on locally. If it wasn't there would no doubt be a riot. I can't imagine not being able to see your team in your city. I just saw something where in Detroit you can't even see the games on sundays because they don't sell out or something? so weird.
I know you can buy field pass and watch any game online- sometimes they have free ones on nfl.com. big time showdowns are often in that category. its crazy not to show the games on sundays in your city... but i'm a miami fan in jets and giants country... i never get to see the games on tv
QuoteQuoteQuotewas anyone else in the NY area able to see it? it wasn't on but i heard it was an awesome game. jets fans were LOUD on my block last night
i think you can watch certain games for free on nfl.com
I don't know how the NFL network works. I have been told that thurs nights games are exclusive but i'm in Boston and it was on locally. If it wasn't there would no doubt be a riot. I can't imagine not being able to see your team in your city. I just saw something where in Detroit you can't even see the games on sundays because they don't sell out or something? so weird.
those are called blackouts. If a game doesn't sell out it's not shown in that market even if the rest of the country gets to see it. I lived in Cincy for years when the team was god awful and not selling out games. For years, the only games I would get to see were their road games and when they played Cleveland (because we always sell out that one). Those don't have anything to do with NFL network.
Giants Huge Win! Man can they run the ball. Later Brandon Jacobs was at the Knicks game and they asked him what it was like to get hit by Ray Lewis. He said "I don't know". haha....sucks he got taken out before he could've got 100 yards but Bradshaw and Ward picked up the slack.
Steelers 11
Chargers 10
First ever 11-10 score in NFL history. A bizarre ending with Polamalu appearing to break up a desperation lateral, and taking it in for a touchdown to make the game 17-10. One of the laterals was called illegal (bullshit) wiping out the touchdown.
QuoteSteelers 11
Chargers 10
First ever 11-10 score in NFL history. A bizarre ending with Polamalu appearing to break up a desperation lateral, and taking it in for a touchdown to make the game 17-10. One of the laterals was called illegal (bullshit) wiping out the touchdown.
Reason #57 I don't bet on sporting events. Imagine the agony of having picked the Steelers -4.5, to see Polamalu score that to push you into a W, only to have it erased and you're back in the red.
no thanks
GO CLEVELAND!! TWICE WE GET MNF!! I hope we perform as well as last time ;-)
QuoteGO CLEVELAND!! TWICE WE GET MNF!! I hope we perform as well as last time ;-)
Grrrr.....I guess its actually better the Giants lost a game though...undefeated is a lot of pressure.
QuoteGO CLEVELAND!! TWICE WE GET MNF!! I hope we perform as well as last time ;-)
I hope Cleveland plays well again on MNF. They actually did the Giants a favor by beating us. I would hate to have the pressure of going undefeated. They probably lost that game on purpose anyway. It would be wild if the G-Men end up playing the undefeated Tenn Titans in the Super bowl this year. Imagine two years in a row that the Giants beat undefeated teams in the SB!
Below are some good quotes from the beaten up and broken down Ravens. Ray Lewis wouldn't admit that he sucks though. But his teamates did.
http://www.giants.com/news/eisen/story.asp?story_id=31725
NOVEMBER 16, 2008
DT Justin Bannan
Q. The Giants did a real good job running the ball today...
A. They did a good job, you've got to give them credit. I mean I didn't feel like we played like we normally do...I personally didn't play like I normally do. I mean we've just got to work everything out for next week's game.
Q. Does the defense take a game like this personally? You guys let up a ton of yards on the ground.
A. Hell yeah, we're going to take this game personally. If we didn't take it personally, it would mean that we didn't care. We've just got to fix the things that went wrong today for us today and not let a team run on us like this again.
DT Trevor Pryce
Q. How tough is it to bring down a guy like Brandon Jacobs?
A. It not really that it's him that's so tough to bring down...I actually think that Ahmad Bradshaw ran better than Jacobs did. It's really that it's so tough to bring either of them down, it's just that the holes they were running through were so big. The holes were gaping...gaping...if you give any NFL back holes like that, he's going to look like Gale Sayers. It wasn't so much that they were ultra-special, but it was more that we were ultra-bad.
Q. Did this kind of loss surprise you?
A. Yeah, it really did surprise us, to tell you the truth, but I mean when you're playing the champs, you know ahead of time that if you don't bring your A+++ game, you're going to be in trouble.
LB Ray Lewis
Q. Did it surprise you guys that Giants ran the ball so much?
A. No, absolutely not, they're the number one rushing team in the league, we came into the game expecting that. The bottom line is that you've got to keep playing no matter what. When you've got a guy four yards behind the line of scrimmage you've got to make that play. I mean that's really how the Giants got a lot of their big plays today, because of missed tackles. We make those plays 1000 times out of 1000 times but when you don't make those plays you're going to give up the big play. Here's the bottom line: this was our last game of our three-game road trip, we're coming home now with a 6-4 record...that's nothing to drop our heads about. I mean, you've got to know if you give up so many big plays it's going to be hard to win the game.
Q. Is there one thing in particular that didn't go well today?
A. Yeah absolutely, we had problems with overpursuing. That's something that we don't do, bottom line...we don't normally let backs get outside and that's something that we pride ourselves in, but they were able to do it today. I mean there are always going to be days where you aren't "great."
QuoteGO CLEVELAND!! TWICE WE GET MNF!! I hope we perform as well as last time ;-)
I hope so too! keeps buffalo below Miami!
QuoteQuoteGO CLEVELAND!! TWICE WE GET MNF!! I hope we perform as well as last time ;-)
I hope Cleveland plays well again on MNF. They actually did the Giants a favor by beating us. I would hate to have the pressure of going undefeated. They probably lost that game on purpose anyway. It would be wild if the G-Men end up playing the undefeated Tenn Titans in the Super bowl this year. Imagine two years in a row that the Giants beat undefeated teams in the SB!
Below are some good quotes from the beaten up and broken down Ravens. Ray Lewis wouldn't admit that he sucks though. But his teamates did.
http://www.giants.com/news/eisen/story.asp?story_id=31725
NOVEMBER 16, 2008
DT Justin Bannan
Q. The Giants did a real good job running the ball today...
A. They did a good job, you've got to give them credit. I mean I didn't feel like we played like we normally do...I personally didn't play like I normally do. I mean we've just got to work everything out for next week's game.
Q. Does the defense take a game like this personally? You guys let up a ton of yards on the ground.
A. Hell yeah, we're going to take this game personally. If we didn't take it personally, it would mean that we didn't care. We've just got to fix the things that went wrong today for us today and not let a team run on us like this again.
DT Trevor Pryce
Q. How tough is it to bring down a guy like Brandon Jacobs?
A. It not really that it's him that's so tough to bring down...I actually think that Ahmad Bradshaw ran better than Jacobs did. It's really that it's so tough to bring either of them down, it's just that the holes they were running through were so big. The holes were gaping...gaping...if you give any NFL back holes like that, he's going to look like Gale Sayers. It wasn't so much that they were ultra-special, but it was more that we were ultra-bad.
Q. Did this kind of loss surprise you?
A. Yeah, it really did surprise us, to tell you the truth, but I mean when you're playing the champs, you know ahead of time that if you don't bring your A+++ game, you're going to be in trouble.
LB Ray Lewis
Q. Did it surprise you guys that Giants ran the ball so much?
A. No, absolutely not, they're the number one rushing team in the league, we came into the game expecting that. The bottom line is that you've got to keep playing no matter what. When you've got a guy four yards behind the line of scrimmage you've got to make that play. I mean that's really how the Giants got a lot of their big plays today, because of missed tackles. We make those plays 1000 times out of 1000 times but when you don't make those plays you're going to give up the big play. Here's the bottom line: this was our last game of our three-game road trip, we're coming home now with a 6-4 record...that's nothing to drop our heads about. I mean, you've got to know if you give up so many big plays it's going to be hard to win the game.
Q. Is there one thing in particular that didn't go well today?
A. Yeah absolutely, we had problems with overpursuing. That's something that we don't do, bottom line...we don't normally let backs get outside and that's something that we pride ourselves in, but they were able to do it today. I mean there are always going to be days where you aren't "great."
I respect Ray as a player but i've never liked him. He will never admit he got beat up. Giants 3rd string running back ran for 96 yards on 9 carries.
I agree with the losing to Cleveland. You need a good wake up call. If they went straight through the playoffs last year and came out 10-0 this year i'd be a lot more worried.
Nice win by Cleveland...Buffalo is done. I had a lot of hope for them this year too after that great start.
we need to play every game on monday! ;-)
Quotewe need to play every game on monday! ;-)
LOL ;D Yeah, the Browns play well under the lights on Monday night!
They are a good team that played a hard schedule. The Browns are the only team that beat the Giants and the G-Men are considered the best team in the NFL right now. I'm happy that Brady Quinn finally got his shot to play this season. He lead them down the field for the game winning field goal last night!
just for those who might not have NFL network - you can catch the games Live on your computer at channelsurfing.net (or maybe .com, I cant remember which.
but I just moved last week, didnt have my directv installed yet, and watched the NYJ/NE on my comp. The picture isnt great, but its still watchable.
....Go Stillers dis thursday!!!
Hopefully no ties vs Cincy this week...lol.
I have mixed feelings about my surging Bengals. I want a good draft pick and a new coach, but beating Pittsburgh is always priority one.
QuoteI have mixed feelings about my surging Bengals. I want a good draft pick and a new coach, but beating Pittsburgh is always priority one.
No need for mixed feeling aMD, because after your Bungals look like a D2 NCAA team vs us, youll be glad for your higher draft pick :)
although at this point, I would think youre almost a shoe-in for #2 though since DET will get #1 and I cant think of any teams with less than 3 wins off the top of my head, no?
Joey, Joey, Joey.... Learn to keep your ignorant comments to yourself.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Porter-on-Vick-All-it-was-was-dogs-?urn=nfl,123957
"All it was was dogs. They act like they don't even like pit bulls anyway. That's the funny thing about it if you want to get back on that topic. I got pit bulls, I got to put them under a different breed just to travel. So you can't even fly pit bulls nowhere.
"It's a breed they don't care about. It's not like he was fighting cocker spaniels or something that they like. They don't really care too much about pit bulls."
QuoteJoey, Joey, Joey.... Learn to keep your ignorant comments to yourself.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Porter-on-Vick-All-it-was-was-dogs-?urn=nfl,123957
"All it was was dogs. They act like they don't even like pit bulls anyway. That's the funny thing about it if you want to get back on that topic. I got pit bulls, I got to put them under a different breed just to travel. So you can't even fly pit bulls nowhere.
"It's a breed they don't care about. It's not like he was fighting cocker spaniels or something that they like. They don't really care too much about pit bulls."
;D ;D ;D ;D
He kinda has a point, but not really. There is sort of a double standard with pitbulls, rotts, and a couple other breeds where a lot of people dont want neighbors or people living near them with these kinds of dogs for fear of their kids safety or their own, but if theyre used for dog fighting, its off with Mike Vick's head.
Im not condoning dogfighting, but neither of these acts (and stuff like Peezy mentioned where you cant take them on a plane), isnt in the best interest of the dog. With 1 you are stereotyping these dogs as killers or vicious despite that if brought up correctly are perfectly fine and caring dogs, with the other your almost using them as your pawn by creating an image of pitbulls and similar breeds being like a puppy sitting on your lap, but these poor dogs were forced to fight.
QuoteQuoteJoey, Joey, Joey.... Learn to keep your ignorant comments to yourself.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Porter-on-Vick-All-it-was-was-dogs-?urn=nfl,123957
"All it was was dogs. They act like they don't even like pit bulls anyway. That's the funny thing about it if you want to get back on that topic. I got pit bulls, I got to put them under a different breed just to travel. So you can't even fly pit bulls nowhere.
"It's a breed they don't care about. It's not like he was fighting cocker spaniels or something that they like. They don't really care too much about pit bulls."
;D ;D ;D ;D
He kinda has a point, but not really. There is sort of a double standard with pitbulls, rotts, and a couple other breeds where a lot of people dont want neighbors or people living near them with these kinds of dogs for fear of their kids safety or their own, but if theyre used for dog fighting, its off with Mike Vick's head.
Im not condoning dogfighting, but neither of these acts (and stuff like Peezy mentioned where you cant take them on a plane), isnt in the best interest of the dog. With 1 you are stereotyping these dogs as killers or vicious despite that if brought up correctly are perfectly fine and caring dogs, with the other your almost using them as your pawn by creating an image of pitbulls and similar breeds being like a puppy sitting on your lap, but these poor dogs were forced to fight.
I agree. I don't believe any one breed of dog is any more dangerous than other. It completely comes down to the owner. Porter made it seem like Vick was doing "them"(whoever he kept mentioning when he said "they") a favor by offing these dogs. It wasn't the breed of the dogs, the lack of people wanting them, or the stereotype they bring; it was the fact that these dogs, these living animals, were being fought against their will.
It's the owners of these dogs who are giving them these types of reputations.
Don't fuck this up Raiders...UP 31-10 on the Burros with 9:42 left in the 4th!
Going to the (winnable) Chiefs game next Sunday too!!! I hate to get ahead of myself, but two in a row, against Denver and KC would be sweeeet 8-)
ho hum, another average day for Eli Manning, an average NFL quarterback (who is the Super Bowl MVP and whose team is currently 10-1)
26-33 (78.8%) 240 yards 3 TD's 0 INT's 127.3 QB Rating
yawn
Quoteho hum, another average day for Eli Manning, an average NFL quarterback (who is the Super Bowl MVP and whose team is currently 10-1)
26-33 (78.8%) 240 yards 3 TD's 0 INT's 127.3 QB Rating
yawn
Its so great to see Eli just get better and better. This was a day without Plax and Jacobs and Eli just went out and stepped up. I just read Ernie Accorsi's book (The GM, former GM of the Giants) and he talks about everything that went into getting Eli and that he just has that something that don't show up in the numbers. 10-1.
J E T S Jets Jets Jets!!!
Go Bears!!!
QuoteJ E T S Jets Jets Jets!!!
Go Bears!!!
I would give anything for Wayne Chrebet to come back. He was who made me a Jets fan. How sick would he and Favre be together?
QuoteQuoteJ E T S Jets Jets Jets!!!
Go Bears!!!
I would give anything for Wayne Chrebet to come back. He was who made me a Jets fan. How sick would he and Favre be together?
I saw his last play/concussion. Scary stuff. I hope he stays retired.
QuoteQuoteQuoteJ E T S Jets Jets Jets!!!
Go Bears!!!
I would give anything for Wayne Chrebet to come back. He was who made me a Jets fan. How sick would he and Favre be together?
I saw his last play/concussion. Scary stuff. I hope he stays retired.
Agreed. On a Monday Night Note: I like Sean Payton, but that was a jackass move to go for 2 when up by 23.
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Quote[size=16]McAllister sets Saints career TD mark with 54th[/size]
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I didn't know Deuce was white. ;D
Congrats to Deuce
Its kind of funny/crazy that LT's season best TDs is over 50% of what Deuce/Saints career TD's are historically
In other news, that game was ridiculous....The MVP this year is going down to the Wire between Brees and Warner...Nobody else should even be considered. I laugh when I hear Haynesworth mentioned
QuoteCongrats to Deuce
Its kind of funny/crazy that LT's season best TDs is over 50% of what Deuce/Saints career TD's are historically
In other news, that game was ridiculous....The MVP this year is going down to the Wire between Brees and Warner...Nobody else should even be considered. I laugh when I hear Haynesworth mentioned
I'm not a Jets fans at all but Farve is starting to come into the picture...I've heard a bunch of people on ESPN lately bring his name up. I have to think if Brees continues he'll win....I think Warners stock will go down a little.
QuoteQuoteCongrats to Deuce
Its kind of funny/crazy that LT's season best TDs is over 50% of what Deuce/Saints career TD's are historically
In other news, that game was ridiculous....The MVP this year is going down to the Wire between Brees and Warner...Nobody else should even be considered. I laugh when I hear Haynesworth mentioned
I'm not a Jets fans at all but Farve is starting to come into the picture...I've heard a bunch of people on ESPN lately bring his name up. I have to think if Brees continues he'll win....I think Warners stock will go down a little.
Jets victories=more Brett Favre=more Wrangler's commercials= :D
QuoteQuoteCongrats to Deuce
Its kind of funny/crazy that LT's season best TDs is over 50% of what Deuce/Saints career TD's are historically
In other news, that game was ridiculous....The MVP this year is going down to the Wire between Brees and Warner...Nobody else should even be considered. I laugh when I hear Haynesworth mentioned
I'm not a Jets fans at all but Farve is starting to come into the picture...I've heard a bunch of people on ESPN lately bring his name up. I have to think if Brees continues he'll win....I think Warners stock will go down a little.
Favre probably is....Brees is hurt by the fact his team is going to have a tough time making it to the playoffs. If they dont, itll be hard to give it to seem with ARZ and NYJ both going, and both of those QBs having statistical years not far behind Brees
Kind of like in hockey last year where if Ovechkin didnt get into the playoffs, Malkin likely wouldve won MVP
Games on Thurs = Not good.
I really wish they start a new tradition on Thanksgiving thurs...I'm sick of Dallas and Detroit. I don't even think Detroit fans want to see Detroit.
QuoteGames on Thurs = Not good.
I really wish they start a new tradition on Thanksgiving thurs...I'm sick of Dallas and Detroit. I don't even think Detroit fans want to see Detroit.
Arizona vs. Philly could be good. Im pretty sure NFLN will be having a random Thanksgiving night game every year from now on too.
And as long as Dallas isnt playing a shitty team, thats usually a good game. Hell, even Detroit has a surprising showing every few years
The Lions have gotten so beat up on this week in the media, I wouldn't be surprised if they got their first win today. Pride and anger can sometimes make up for lack of talent.
QuoteThe Lions have gotten so beat up on this week in the media, I wouldn't be surprised if they got their first win today. Pride and anger can sometimes make up for lack of talent.
And that Tennessee is overrated. How much I think well find out before the playoffs (and in them), but Id say their the 4th or 5th best team in the AFC right now.
Either way, I bet DET at least makes it a game until late if they dont win.
Wrong! That game was over in the 1st quarter.
Go Titans!
QuoteQuoteThe Lions have gotten so beat up on this week in the media, I wouldn't be surprised if they got their first win today. Pride and anger can sometimes make up for lack of talent.
And that Tennessee is overrated. How much I think well find out before the playoffs (and in them), but Id say their the 4th or 5th best team in the AFC right now.
Either way, I bet DET at least makes it a game until late if they dont win.
or not...
the Titans are one of the best in the AFC.
QuoteQuoteCongrats to Deuce
Its kind of funny/crazy that LT's season best TDs is over 50% of what Deuce/Saints career TD's are historically
In other news, that game was ridiculous....The MVP this year is going down to the Wire between Brees and Warner...Nobody else should even be considered. I laugh when I hear Haynesworth mentioned
I'm not a Jets fans at all but Farve is starting to come into the picture...I've heard a bunch of people on ESPN lately bring his name up. I have to think if Brees continues he'll win....I think Warners stock will go down a little.
As a die hard Jets fan, there is no way that he (#4) should even be considered for the award. Look at what Pennington has done in Miami. The QB was not the problem though I will concede that he was a slight upgrade. I credit the Jets turnaround to many things (mostly named Kris Jenkins) and a splash of Faneca and Woody.
QuoteQuoteThe Lions have gotten so beat up on this week in the media, I wouldn't be surprised if they got their first win today. Pride and anger can sometimes make up for lack of talent.
And that Tennessee is overrated. How much I think well find out before the playoffs (and in them), but Id say their the 4th or 5th best team in the AFC right now.
Either way, I bet DET at least makes it a game until late if they dont win.
Swami failure :-[
QuoteWrong! That game was over in the 1st quarter.
Go Titans!
Try the first six minutes. Sweet Jesus.
QuoteQuoteThe Lions have gotten so beat up on this week in the media, I wouldn't be surprised if they got their first win today. Pride and anger can sometimes make up for lack of talent.
And that Tennessee is overrated. How much I think well find out before the playoffs (and in them), but Id say their the 4th or 5th best team in the AFC right now.
Either way, I bet DET at least makes it a game until late if they dont win.
My Thanksgiving aspirations for DET missed. I had too much cleaning to do at that point today to even worry bout that game
MB3 gettin hurt though...thats another story >:( >:(
I still think TEN is overrated. They will be a playoff team, and deservedly so, but theyre 4th or 5th best in the AFC from what Ive seen so far and at this point in the season.
They will not lose if their running game is on fire like NBA JAM as it was today, but thats the 1st time it clicked like that in over a month, and vs. DET.
Call me a homer, but I dont think they can beat Pittsburgh bc they will not be able to run the ball/outphysical us on the line, and I think our pressure will be sufficient (as usual) to cause Collins problems. See the NYJ game. They probably have the 2nd best D in the AFC and TEN had a lot of trouble with them.
That said, the biggest reason TEN is overrated IMO is their D. They have talented RBs and Collins wont lose a game for them (at least until the playoffs probably), but their D isnt as good as I think its being made out to be. The have pro bowlers at each level (Haynesworth, Bullock, Finnegan), but are undersized at LB and though I do see their D as talented, I dont see it as fierce or hungry.
Im very interested to see NE vs PIT this weekend, and in the upcoming weeks, TEN vs INDY, TEN vs PIT, DAL vs PIT.
A lot of upcoming matchups with likely playoff contenders, and games that really could go either way. Cant wait
I'm a lions fan.
Nothing more needs to be said about the state in which I'm in.
No pun intended.
it's do or die from here on out for the Saints. We start today against Tampa Bay.
One game at a time...
I got a feeling, PITTSBURGH's Goin To The SUPER BOWL!!!!!!
Fuck you Patriots...I need to get some Patriot toilet paper so I can wipe my ass daily with that shit-eating grin of a logo
No pun intended
ever since we beat the giants, our season and team has imploded---now we have 2 streaky injured QBs and a losing mentality--at least braylon edwards caught some passes today. butterfingers!! was it bad karma to mess w/eli or something?
QuoteI got a feeling, PITTSBURGH's Goin To The SUPER BOWL!!!!!!
Fuck you Patriots...I need to get some Patriot toilet paper so I can wipe my ass daily with that shit-eating grin of a logo
No pun intended
I wouldn't get too excited...Pitts just proved what a lot of people already knew, that the Pats are not that good and that Cassell is unproved against good teams. Pitts played good though and have one of the best D's in the league.
Meanwhile even with our best WR shooting himself Giants don't get distracted and just roll over the Skins. 11-1.
Quoteever since we beat the giants, our season and team has imploded---now we have 2 streaky injured QBs and a losing mentality--at least braylon edwards caught some passes today. butterfingers!! was it bad karma to mess w/eli or something?
Good luck against Tennessee with a 3rd string QB. Actually Clev beating the Giants was the best thing that could of happened to the Giants. I can't even imagine if they were undefeated right now, who needs all that pressure.
I am just hoping Pittsburgh comes out of the next 3 games with 2 wins, and then finish up with a win against Cleveland. Get to 12-4 and a first-round bye. With the way the defense has been playing, I am liking the chances of getting that first-round bye.
Harrison is a monster. I have to think he gets defensive MVP this year. He is spectacular, especially when a big play is needed.
QuoteQuoteI got a feeling, PITTSBURGH's Goin To The SUPER BOWL!!!!!!
Fuck you Patriots...I need to get some Patriot toilet paper so I can wipe my ass daily with that shit-eating grin of a logo
No pun intended
I wouldn't get too excited...Pitts just proved what a lot of people already knew, that the Pats are not that good and that Cassell is unproved against good teams. Pitts played good though and have one of the best D's in the league.
Meanwhile even with our best WR shooting himself Giants don't get distracted and just roll over the Skins. 11-1.
First off, I said
going to the superbowl, not
winning..at least not yet.
And Pittsburgh's D is hands down the Best D in the NFL this year. Their #1 in Total yards allowed, and rushing, and passing. Baltimore is the only other team in the top 5 of all of those. Were also #1 in sacks. Polamalu is #1 in the NFL in interceptions (and he probably shouldve had 1 or 2 more yesterday...IMO is playing the best he ever has right now), and Harrison is #3 in the NFL in sacks (with Lamarr Woodley at #5, ho-hum). This has been done with Brett Keisel, Bryant McFadden, and DeShea Townsend (3 starters), all missing extended periods of time. Considering we also have the toughest schedule in the league, I think our D speaks for itself.
What might even be more important though, is our offensive line has put together 3 solid games in a row.
We arent unbeatable, but I think were better than any other team in the AFC. Tennessee doesnt scare me at all, home or away. A team like Dallas does though, and I cant wait for this weeks game.
As for Placebo Burress, he isnt in the Top 50 in receptions or yardage this year, so losing him/him going to jail wont affect the GMen all that much. Without him, theyve shown theyre still an elite team in the NFL. And Domenik Hixon has def impressed me.
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Harrison is a monster. I have to think he gets defensive MVP this year. He is spectacular, especially when a big play is needed.
Right now, Silverback Harrison (greatest nickname in the NFL by the way), should be defensive MVP.
He's on the #1 defense
He's #3 in sacks with 14.0 (and his 80 tackles, are at least 20 more than anyone with over 5 sacks)
He's #1 in forced fumbles with 6
He looks like Lawrence Taylor during 1 of his defensive MVP seasons ;)
QuoteQuoteQuoteI got a feeling, PITTSBURGH's Goin To The SUPER BOWL!!!!!!
Fuck you Patriots...I need to get some Patriot toilet paper so I can wipe my ass daily with that shit-eating grin of a logo
No pun intended
I wouldn't get too excited...Pitts just proved what a lot of people already knew, that the Pats are not that good and that Cassell is unproved against good teams. Pitts played good though and have one of the best D's in the league.
Meanwhile even with our best WR shooting himself Giants don't get distracted and just roll over the Skins. 11-1.
First off, I said going to the superbowl, not winning..at least not yet.
And Pittsburgh's D is hands down the Best D in the NFL this year. Their #1 in Total yards allowed, and rushing, and passing. Baltimore is the only other team in the top 5 of all of those. Were also #1 in sacks. Polamalu is #1 in the NFL in interceptions (and he probably shouldve had 1 or 2 more yesterday...IMO is playing the best he ever has right now), and Harrison is #3 in the NFL in sacks (with Lamarr Woodley at #5, ho-hum). This has been done with Brett Keisel, Bryant McFadden, and DeShea Townsend (3 starters), all missing extended periods of time. Considering we also have the toughest schedule in the league, I think our D speaks for itself.
What might even be more important though, is our offensive line has put together 3 solid games in a row.
We arent unbeatable, but I think were better than any other team in the AFC. Tennessee doesnt scare me at all, home or away. A team like Dallas does though, and I cant wait for this weeks game.
As for Placebo Burress, he isnt in the Top 50 in receptions or yardage this year, so losing him/him going to jail wont affect the GMen all that much. Without him, theyve shown theyre still an elite team in the NFL. And Domenik Hixon has def impressed me.
Those things are all true but that is a lot of stats and in the NFL stats usually turn out to just be stats once the playoffs start. I would say they are looking like the favorites in the AFC. I still would not trust Ben. Even in the Superbowl year he had a terrible game. The O Line better play a lot better or you are going to be looking at your D trying to win games and that is tough to do all the time in the playoffs.
Regardless of Plax I think the Giants are the best team in the league right now by a long shot. Their D is as solid as it gets and they run the ball like crazy and Eli is playing as confident as any QB in the NFL. I think the team I fear the most is Dallas because of their Offense and talent. That is the one team I would not want to see them play in the playoffs.
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Fuck you Patriots...I need to get some Patriot toilet paper so I can wipe my ass daily with that shit-eating grin of a logo
This is the kind of juvenile speak that makes regular fans like me turn nasty--I mean whats your f-ing point? Just jealous about how we stomped everyone last year (including Pitt)? Not so hard to beat a team when about half of them are second or third stringers due to starter injuries? Yeah Pitt is just great. ;D
I get no sympathy for being a Lions fan?
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Fuck you Patriots...I need to get some Patriot toilet paper so I can wipe my ass daily with that shit-eating grin of a logo
This is the kind of juvenile speak that makes regular fans like me turn nasty--I mean whats your f-ing point? Just jealous about how we stomped everyone last year (including Pitt)? Not so hard to beat a team when about half of them are second or third stringers due to starter injuries? Yeah Pitt is just great. ;D
Excuse me, Patriots stomped everyone last year? Are you still in denial of what happened in the Super Bowl? Pittsburgh fans aren't jealous of any team, we have 5 Super Bowls. We hate the Patriots because Belichick is smug, arrogant, and a cheater.
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Fuck you Patriots...I need to get some Patriot toilet paper so I can wipe my ass daily with that shit-eating grin of a logo
This is the kind of juvenile speak that makes regular fans like me turn nasty--I mean whats your f-ing point? Just jealous about how we stomped everyone last year (including Pitt)? Not so hard to beat a team when about half of them are second or third stringers due to starter injuries? Yeah Pitt is just great. ;D
Excuse me, Patriots stomped everyone last year? Are you still in denial of what happened in the Super Bowl? Pittsburgh fans aren't jealous of any team, we have 5 Super Bowls. We hate the Patriots because Belichick is smug, arrogant, and a cheater.
Yes indeed. Tom Brady may even be more smug and cocky than Belichick, which says something
And its not just Steeler fans who hate the Patsies because of their spy cameras and running up the score on every team they could last year, its basically every football fan that isnt a Cheatriots fan.
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI got a feeling, PITTSBURGH's Goin To The SUPER BOWL!!!!!!
Fuck you Patriots...I need to get some Patriot toilet paper so I can wipe my ass daily with that shit-eating grin of a logo
No pun intended
I wouldn't get too excited...Pitts just proved what a lot of people already knew, that the Pats are not that good and that Cassell is unproved against good teams. Pitts played good though and have one of the best D's in the league.
Meanwhile even with our best WR shooting himself Giants don't get distracted and just roll over the Skins. 11-1.
First off, I said going to the superbowl, not winning..at least not yet.
And Pittsburgh's D is hands down the Best D in the NFL this year. Their #1 in Total yards allowed, and rushing, and passing. Baltimore is the only other team in the top 5 of all of those. Were also #1 in sacks. Polamalu is #1 in the NFL in interceptions (and he probably shouldve had 1 or 2 more yesterday...IMO is playing the best he ever has right now), and Harrison is #3 in the NFL in sacks (with Lamarr Woodley at #5, ho-hum). This has been done with Brett Keisel, Bryant McFadden, and DeShea Townsend (3 starters), all missing extended periods of time. Considering we also have the toughest schedule in the league, I think our D speaks for itself.
What might even be more important though, is our offensive line has put together 3 solid games in a row.
We arent unbeatable, but I think were better than any other team in the AFC. Tennessee doesnt scare me at all, home or away. A team like Dallas does though, and I cant wait for this weeks game.
As for Placebo Burress, he isnt in the Top 50 in receptions or yardage this year, so losing him/him going to jail wont affect the GMen all that much. Without him, theyve shown theyre still an elite team in the NFL. And Domenik Hixon has def impressed me.
Those things are all true but that is a lot of stats and in the NFL stats usually turn out to just be stats once the playoffs start. I would say they are looking like the favorites in the AFC. I still would not trust Ben. Even in the Superbowl year he had a terrible game. The O Line better play a lot better or you are going to be looking at your D trying to win games and that is tough to do all the time in the playoffs.
Regardless of Plax I think the Giants are the best team in the league right now by a long shot. Their D is as solid as it gets and they run the ball like crazy and Eli is playing as confident as any QB in the NFL. I think the team I fear the most is Dallas because of their Offense and talent. That is the one team I would not want to see them play in the playoffs.
Yes, stats are stats, but they do mean something. People around here arent saying this LB corps may be better than our 70's greats of Jack Lambert, Jack Ham, and Andy Russell for no reason. Its too early for me to say PIT is getting a bye, but if we go 3-1 over our last 4 games, we should hold the #2 spot and get our 1st playoff game at home. No one will want to play their 2nd playoff game in da Burgh, the crowd will be ridiculous, and I cant see anyone winning here in that scenario.
Even if we dont, I dont see a team in the AFC that can beat us without us beating ourselves via turnovers. Thats been the story in all of our losses: -1 to Philly, -4 to NYG, -3 to Indy. Philly's ratio was winnable, but they dominated us on both lines much more than either of the other 2 losses.
And dont get ahead of yourself. I agree Id rank the GMen #1 overall right now, but NOT by a long shot. Just as you said about my stats for PIT D, your record is 0-0 come playoff time. Ask the Patsies about how that works ;D.
And if you fear Dallas the most, Id put PIT right after that them. We held you to 84 yards rushing as a team and especially because you were +4 in turnovers but not winning in the 2nd half until there was about 3 minutes left. And who knows about that safety fiasco, but we did have James "ive never even done a long snap in practice before" Harrison as our long snapper to give you the safety
Id love a rematch :)
good grief Steelers fans, calm down. Miami beat the Pats 38-13, it's not that big of a deal. You lost to the 2 best teams you have played this year and they were both at home. Jeeeeez
Quotegood grief Steelers fans, calm down. Miami beat the Pats 38-13, it's not that big of a deal. You lost to the 2 best teams you have played this year and they were both at home. Jeeeeez
Possibly, but in that reference you failed to mention the vicious WildCat offense Miami busted out that game (and that Miami is better than any post-Marino Miami this year, not including the Miami Hurricanes)
Trust me, not only did beating the living F outta the Patsies bring joy to the hearts of Steeler nation, but it did the same thing to a team that beat them for the 1st time since Ben's rookie year, 2004
That was an important, and impressive, win. And had numerous implications
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI got a feeling, PITTSBURGH's Goin To The SUPER BOWL!!!!!!
Fuck you Patriots...I need to get some Patriot toilet paper so I can wipe my ass daily with that shit-eating grin of a logo
No pun intended
I wouldn't get too excited...Pitts just proved what a lot of people already knew, that the Pats are not that good and that Cassell is unproved against good teams. Pitts played good though and have one of the best D's in the league.
Meanwhile even with our best WR shooting himself Giants don't get distracted and just roll over the Skins. 11-1.
First off, I said going to the superbowl, not winning..at least not yet.
And Pittsburgh's D is hands down the Best D in the NFL this year. Their #1 in Total yards allowed, and rushing, and passing. Baltimore is the only other team in the top 5 of all of those. Were also #1 in sacks. Polamalu is #1 in the NFL in interceptions (and he probably shouldve had 1 or 2 more yesterday...IMO is playing the best he ever has right now), and Harrison is #3 in the NFL in sacks (with Lamarr Woodley at #5, ho-hum). This has been done with Brett Keisel, Bryant McFadden, and DeShea Townsend (3 starters), all missing extended periods of time. Considering we also have the toughest schedule in the league, I think our D speaks for itself.
What might even be more important though, is our offensive line has put together 3 solid games in a row.
We arent unbeatable, but I think were better than any other team in the AFC. Tennessee doesnt scare me at all, home or away. A team like Dallas does though, and I cant wait for this weeks game.
As for Placebo Burress, he isnt in the Top 50 in receptions or yardage this year, so losing him/him going to jail wont affect the GMen all that much. Without him, theyve shown theyre still an elite team in the NFL. And Domenik Hixon has def impressed me.
Those things are all true but that is a lot of stats and in the NFL stats usually turn out to just be stats once the playoffs start. I would say they are looking like the favorites in the AFC. I still would not trust Ben. Even in the Superbowl year he had a terrible game. The O Line better play a lot better or you are going to be looking at your D trying to win games and that is tough to do all the time in the playoffs.
Regardless of Plax I think the Giants are the best team in the league right now by a long shot. Their D is as solid as it gets and they run the ball like crazy and Eli is playing as confident as any QB in the NFL. I think the team I fear the most is Dallas because of their Offense and talent. That is the one team I would not want to see them play in the playoffs.
Yes, stats are stats, but they do mean something. People around here arent saying this LB corps may be better than our 70's greats of Jack Lambert, Jack Ham, and Andy Russell for no reason. Its too early for me to say PIT is getting a bye, but if we go 3-1 over our last 4 games, we should hold the #2 spot and get our 1st playoff game at home. No one will want to play their 2nd playoff game in da Burgh, the crowd will be ridiculous, and I cant see anyone winning here in that scenario.
Even if we dont, I dont see a team in the AFC that can beat us without us beating ourselves via turnovers. Thats been the story in all of our losses: -1 to Philly, -4 to NYG, -3 to Indy. Philly's ratio was winnable, but they dominated us on both lines much more than either of the other 2 losses.
And dont get ahead of yourself. I agree Id rank the GMen #1 overall right now, but NOT by a long shot. Just as you said about my stats for PIT D, your record is 0-0 come playoff time. Ask the Patsies about how that works ;D.
And if you fear Dallas the most, Id put PIT right after that them. We held you to 84 yards rushing as a team and especially because you were +4 in turnovers but not winning in the 2nd half until there was about 3 minutes left. And who knows about that safety fiasco, but we did have James "ive never even done a long snap in practice before" Harrison as our long snapper to give you the safety
Id love a rematch :)
I see a few teams in the AFC who could beat the Steelers. They are not a team i'd be afraid of for a lot of reasons. They turn the ball over, Ben hasn't been playing his best football, the O line is not great. Regardless of the bad snap and only 84 yards rushing the Giants still beat them and had chances to put up more points in the red zone. Giants didn't play nearly as good a game as they are capable of that day and still won. That being said you are right I don't like being favorites and they could easy lose in the playoffs just like the Pats last year. I still say they are the best team by far right now (I just read about 10 articles this morning stating the same thing) and I think they will win the division and get a first round bye which is all you can hope for right now. When the playoffs start it is a whole new ballgame.
Sure theres teams in the AFC that can beat the Steelers, Indy already has, but its unlikely to happen as long as we dont lose the turnover battle by more than 1 or 2. After that, its 1 more game that we would probably be favored in to get to the SB
And if we do get a bye, I give whoever comes to Pittsburgh for their 2nd playoff game about 2% chance of winning. Unless were -4 or something ridiculous in turnovers, its not going to happen.
And despite this seasons flaws and injury problems, theyre 9-3 and I would only say Philly really 'beat' us. We imploded in the Indy game and the NYG game was a hard fought game that couldve gone either way.
The GMen are the obvious choice for #1 in anyone's power ranking, but saying theyre the best team by far sounds like something Skip Bayless would say.
Theyre actually very similar to PIT this year, with the biggest difference probably being Eli and Roeth seemed to have swapped their penchant for throwing INTs. Paired with the GMen having a better ground attack and the Steelers a better D
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Possibly, but in that reference you failed to mention the vicious WildCat offense Miami busted out that game (and that Miami is better than any post-Marino Miami this year, not including the Miami Hurricanes)
Wait. Were the Dolphins supposed to tell the Pats that they were gonna do that or something? :D
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Theyre actually very similar to PIT this year, with the biggest difference probably being Eli and Roeth seemed to have swapped their penchant for throwing INTs. Paired with the GMen having a better ground attack and the Steelers a better D
So not that similar?
C'mon Cap. Your Steelers are only 1 game ahead of my crappy, pretending Jets. That defense has been sick and a tough run D is a necessity against the Giants. The Ravens also had a good run D and well...the Giants mistreated them in a cruel way. Lots of "ifs" still and your inconsistent O could be your downfall.
P.S. Thanks for Faneca, clearly the right financial move for you guys but equally worth it for us.
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Theyre actually very similar to PIT this year, with the biggest difference probably being Eli and Roeth seemed to have swapped their penchant for throwing INTs. Paired with the GMen having a better ground attack and the Steelers a better D
So not that similar?
C'mon Cap. Your Steelers are only 1 game ahead of my crappy, pretending Jets. That defense has been sick and a tough run D is a necessity against the Giants. The Ravens also had a good run D and well...the Giants mistreated them in a cruel way. Lots of "ifs" still and your inconsistent O could be your downfall.
P.S. Thanks for Faneca, clearly the right financial move for you guys but equally worth it for us.
I was too busy watching us ramshackle New England to see what happened to NYJ this weekend, but I think theyre a legit playoff team as long as they rely on TJ and Leon enough. I dont understand why they never go deep though now that Noodlearm is gone. I think that makes it easier for D's to key on them.
GMen did roll up 200 on the Ratbirds for the 1st time since the Steelers did it 11 years ago, but we already held them to 84 yards rushing, so I know we can handle it.
The OLine is the our achilles, but theyre coming around now, which makes sense since theres 4 new guys since last season and 2 of them werent even starters at the beginning of the season. The next few games will be a great barometer (DAL, BAL, TEN).
If DAL beats us, its because we lose in turnovers, mark it down.
I have no problem with other people overlooking us or thinking were overrated. Ill see what you think come January 8-)
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Theyre actually very similar to PIT this year, with the biggest difference probably being Eli and Roeth seemed to have swapped their penchant for throwing INTs. Paired with the GMen having a better ground attack and the Steelers a better D
So not that similar?
C'mon Cap. Your Steelers are only 1 game ahead of my crappy, pretending Jets. That defense has been sick and a tough run D is a necessity against the Giants. The Ravens also had a good run D and well...the Giants mistreated them in a cruel way. Lots of "ifs" still and your inconsistent O could be your downfall.
P.S. Thanks for Faneca, clearly the right financial move for you guys but equally worth it for us.
I was too busy watching us ramshackle New England to see what happened to NYJ this weekend, but I think theyre a legit playoff team as long as they rely on TJ and Leon enough. I dont understand why they never go deep though now that Noodlearm is gone. I think that makes it easier for D's to key on them.
GMen did roll up 200 on the Ratbirds for the 1st time since the Steelers did it 11 years ago, but we already held them to 84 yards rushing, so I know we can handle it.
The OLine is the our achilles, but theyre coming around now, which makes sense since theres 4 new guys since last season and 2 of them werent even starters at the beginning of the season. The next few games will be a great barometer (DAL, BAL, TEN).
If DAL beats us, its because we lose in turnovers, mark it down.
I have no problem with other people overlooking us or thinking were overrated. Ill see what you think come January 8-)
I agree with above...you have a lot of "ifs" in your posts. Good teams force turnovers. Good teams also avoid turning the ball over. Just about every team in the NFL can say if we don't turn the ball over we have a good chance of winning. You have to give credit to the teams who beat you. If Ben throws 3 ints it is probably because the D forced him to. You got beat by Philly and Indy....there are no excuses. Giants lost to Cleveland...I could make 100 excuses and reasons why but the bottom line is at the end of the game they had more points and won.
I don't think Pitt and the Giants are similar at all. Giants have a better run game, more consistent offense overall, they don't turn the ball over, way better O line.....and Giants D might not be as good on paper but they are def one of the best in the league. Tuck is an absolute stud and i'd put him up there with anyone on your D. They just held the leading rusher in the NFL to 22 yards.
I only see 1 "if" in that post, and its not like a sequence of 'ifs'..either Dallas beats us or they dont ;D
I understand its tougher to win when you lose in TO's. I was just trying to say that if we dont turn the ball over, were pretty tough to beat. Seeing as how we were -4 in TO's vs NYG and only lost by 7 and -3 to Indy and only lost by 4 proves that.
We havent fumbled much, its mostly just been on Ben. Most of his picks have been careless plays where he tries to force the ball into coverage or on a tightly covered receiver. The 1 he threw against NE was just poor thinking though. Im sure the line has something to do with this, and his shoulder to a lesser degree, but he needs to just take care of the ball more
And ok, I take back that similarity statement :-[
QuoteI only see 1 "if" in that post, and its not like a sequence of 'ifs'..either Dallas beats us or they dont ;D
I understand its tougher to win when you lose in TO's. I was just trying to say that if we dont turn the ball over, were pretty tough to beat. Seeing as how we were -4 in TO's vs NYG and only lost by 7 and -3 to Indy and only lost by 4 proves that.
We havent fumbled much, its mostly just been on Ben. Most of his picks have been careless plays where he tries to force the ball into coverage or on a tightly covered receiver. The 1 he threw against NE was just poor thinking though. Im sure the line has something to do with this, and his shoulder to a lesser degree, but he needs to just take care of the ball more
And ok, I take back that similarity statement :-[
I don't think you were that off on comparing the Giants to Steelers. Giants have a running game like we USUALLY do, just not this season. I think somebody from Baltimore after the loss to NY said that playing them is like playing the Steelers, with the defense and running game. If Willie gets healthy we could see a running game develop still.
QuoteQuoteI only see 1 "if" in that post, and its not like a sequence of 'ifs'..either Dallas beats us or they dont ;D
I understand its tougher to win when you lose in TO's. I was just trying to say that if we dont turn the ball over, were pretty tough to beat. Seeing as how we were -4 in TO's vs NYG and only lost by 7 and -3 to Indy and only lost by 4 proves that.
We havent fumbled much, its mostly just been on Ben. Most of his picks have been careless plays where he tries to force the ball into coverage or on a tightly covered receiver. The 1 he threw against NE was just poor thinking though. Im sure the line has something to do with this, and his shoulder to a lesser degree, but he needs to just take care of the ball more
And ok, I take back that similarity statement :-[
I don't think you were that off on comparing the Giants to Steelers. Giants have a running game like we USUALLY do, just not this season. I think somebody from Baltimore after the loss to NY said that playing them is like playing the Steelers, with the defense and running game. If Willie gets healthy we could see a running game develop still.
Considering how bad the OLine is, I think the running game has been solid (though theyre worse at pass blocking). Whether its been FWP or Mewelde, theyve consistently been over 4 YPC each game that I can think of.
No, it hasnt been as dominating as past running games, but its been serviceable or better
Well Plax is done for the year and most likely for the Giants and I'm sort of happy. He's been nothing but a pain in the A#$ss since he's been with the team. Great player, just someone who does not understand how lucky he is to be playing a kids game and getting paid bigtime for it. I mean how hard it really to stay out of trouble and just play the game after you sign a 35 million dollar contract? I'm glad the Giants stepped up and did it themselves before waiting for the League or the Police to do what they are going to do. I don't think it will be as much of a distraction now that he's gone. Giants may not win the Superbowl this year but I don't think it will have anything to do with him not being on the team.
QuoteWell Plax is done for the year and most likely for the Giants and I'm sort of happy. He's been nothing but a pain in the A#$ss since he's been with the team. Great player, just someone who does not understand how lucky he is to be playing a kids game and getting paid bigtime for it. I mean how hard it really to stay out of trouble and just play the game after you sign a 35 million dollar contract? I'm glad the Giants stepped up and did it themselves before waiting for the League or the Police to do what they are going to do. I don't think it will be as much of a distraction now that he's gone. Giants may not win the Superbowl this year but I don't think it will have anything to do with him not being on the team.
While I agree with most of what you said, the Giants could've/should've suspended him earlier but they waited for the doctor's report that said he needed to sit for 4-6 weeks before they suspended him for 4 games. That's not much of a statement. And I don't know what goes on behind the scenes but something tells me they could've been a little harsher with Plax and sent a message to him to get it together before the dumbass shot himself in the leg with an unregistered gun in the middle of Manhattan. I know they did suspend him earlier this season but it obviously wasn't enough.
The NFL could also do more here. They should've suspended him. The facts of the case are pretty clear so what are they waiting for? He doesn't see a judge for another four months, so they're just going to sit on their hands until then?
QuoteQuoteWell Plax is done for the year and most likely for the Giants and I'm sort of happy. He's been nothing but a pain in the A#$ss since he's been with the team. Great player, just someone who does not understand how lucky he is to be playing a kids game and getting paid bigtime for it. I mean how hard it really to stay out of trouble and just play the game after you sign a 35 million dollar contract? I'm glad the Giants stepped up and did it themselves before waiting for the League or the Police to do what they are going to do. I don't think it will be as much of a distraction now that he's gone. Giants may not win the Superbowl this year but I don't think it will have anything to do with him not being on the team.
While I agree with most of what you said, the Giants could've/should've suspended him earlier but they waited for the doctor's report that said he needed to sit for 4-6 weeks before they suspended him for 4 games. That's not much of a statement. And I don't know what goes on behind the scenes but something tells me they could've been a little harsher with Plax and sent a message to him to get it together before the dumbass shot himself in the leg with an unregistered gun in the middle of Manhattan. I know they did suspend him earlier this season but it obviously wasn't enough.
The NFL could also do more here. They should've suspended him. The facts of the case are pretty clear so what are they waiting for? He doesn't see a judge for another four months, so they're just going to sit on their hands until then?
Well the Giants have fined and suspended him. I mean what else can you do? Under league rules that is really all you can do. I think the Giants did exactly what they had to. They put him on the Non-football injury list and suspended him 4 games. Most people were saying yesterday that they didn't need to do that, they could've just done one or the other. I think they did exactly what they needed to to make sure he's not a distraction for the rest of the season. Even if he was healthy I think they would've still suspended him, I don't think it had anything to do with his injuries. Coughlin has expressed that he'd had enough of him recently and this just gave him and management an excuse to get rid of him.
ahh...so glad we dont have Plexico anymore...maybe well sign him next year for 1$ mill, a registered gun, and some in house daycare.
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sounds like some yinzers made this to....hahahaaah...love it
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Fuck you Patriots...I need to get some Patriot toilet paper so I can wipe my ass daily with that shit-eating grin of a logo
This is the kind of juvenile speak that makes regular fans like me turn nasty--I mean whats your f-ing point? Just jealous about how we stomped everyone last year (including Pitt)? Not so hard to beat a team when about half of them are second or third stringers due to starter injuries? Yeah Pitt is just great. ;D
Excuse me, Patriots stomped everyone last year? Are you still in denial of what happened in the Super Bowl? Pittsburgh fans aren't jealous of any team, we have 5 Super Bowls. We hate the Patriots because Belichick is smug, arrogant, and a cheater.
Yeah one superbowl with Ben and the rest with steroid juicing 1970s cheaters. If the super teams of the 70s had to compete under today's rules they would never cut it.
As far as your complete bullshit cheating comment--catch up with the rest of the world. The video rule changed at the end of 2006 and some nimrod in the NE organization didn't read the memo so they went and taped the 1st 1/4 of the 1st game of 2007. That alleged tape was confiscated before the half which means:
NOBODY ON NE SAW THE TAPE TO USE ANYTHING FROM IT!. JESUS I can't beleive how many simpletons need this spelled out! [size=20]The Patriots dominant 2007 season came legitimately and all the suck ass teams' fans can't get over it and if their heads had been in the SB a little more it would have been 19-0![/size]
Oh yeah and just how do you assume to know so much about Bill Belichick? Do you live in his head and hear his thoughts? If you do--WOW congrats on a great life! If you don't (more likely) then STFU! Bill may be quiet and reserved but that doesn't make him smug and arrogant--you just think that because he smacked all his opponents around last year.
P.S.--congrats to the Giants for playing a great game that day.
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Fuck you Patriots...I need to get some Patriot toilet paper so I can wipe my ass daily with that shit-eating grin of a logo
This is the kind of juvenile speak that makes regular fans like me turn nasty--I mean whats your f-ing point? Just jealous about how we stomped everyone last year (including Pitt)? Not so hard to beat a team when about half of them are second or third stringers due to starter injuries? Yeah Pitt is just great. ;D
Excuse me, Patriots stomped everyone last year? Are you still in denial of what happened in the Super Bowl? Pittsburgh fans aren't jealous of any team, we have 5 Super Bowls. We hate the Patriots because Belichick is smug, arrogant, and a cheater.
Yeah one superbowl with Ben and the rest with steroid juicing 1970s cheaters. If the super teams of the 70s had to compete under today's rules they would never cut it.
As far as your complete bullshit cheating comment--catch up with the rest of the world. The video rule changed at the end of 2006 and some nimrod in the NE organization didn't read the memo so they went and taped the 1st 1/4 of the 1st game of 2007. That alleged tape was confiscated before the half which means: NOBODY ON NE SAW THE TAPE TO USE ANYTHING FROM IT!. JESUS I can't beleive how many simpletons need this spelled out! [size=20]The Patriots dominant 2007 season came legitimately and all the suck ass teams' fans can't get over it and if their heads had been in the SB a little more it would have been 19-0![/size]
Oh yeah and just how do you assume to know so much about Bill Belichick? Do you live in his head and hear his thoughts? If you do--WOW congrats on a great life! If you don't (more likely) then STFU! Bill may be quiet and reserved but that doesn't make him smug and arrogant--you just think that because he smacked all his opponents around last year.
P.S.--congrats to the Giants for playing a great game that day.
Fact: Patriots were CAUGHT videotaping the Jets defensive signals
Fact: Steelers won 4 Super Bowls in the 70's. No one was caught with steroids. I'm sure that in that era there were players from all teams that may have used them.
I only know what I see and how he acts in interviews. Running off the field and not shaking hands after losing in the Super Bowl tells me a lot about his character. Don't tell me to shut the fuck up either, I'll say whatever I feel like.
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Fuck you Patriots...I need to get some Patriot toilet paper so I can wipe my ass daily with that shit-eating grin of a logo
This is the kind of juvenile speak that makes regular fans like me turn nasty--I mean whats your f-ing point? Just jealous about how we stomped everyone last year (including Pitt)? Not so hard to beat a team when about half of them are second or third stringers due to starter injuries? Yeah Pitt is just great. ;D
Excuse me, Patriots stomped everyone last year? Are you still in denial of what happened in the Super Bowl? Pittsburgh fans aren't jealous of any team, we have 5 Super Bowls. We hate the Patriots because Belichick is smug, arrogant, and a cheater.
Yeah one superbowl with Ben and the rest with steroid juicing 1970s cheaters. If the super teams of the 70s had to compete under today's rules they would never cut it.
As far as your complete bullshit cheating comment--catch up with the rest of the world. The video rule changed at the end of 2006 and some nimrod in the NE organization didn't read the memo so they went and taped the 1st 1/4 of the 1st game of 2007. That alleged tape was confiscated before the half which means: NOBODY ON NE SAW THE TAPE TO USE ANYTHING FROM IT!. JESUS I can't beleive how many simpletons need this spelled out! [size=20]The Patriots dominant 2007 season came legitimately and all the suck ass teams' fans can't get over it and if their heads had been in the SB a little more it would have been 19-0![/size]
Oh yeah and just how do you assume to know so much about Bill Belichick? Do you live in his head and hear his thoughts? If you do--WOW congrats on a great life! If you don't (more likely) then STFU! Bill may be quiet and reserved but that doesn't make him smug and arrogant--you just think that because he smacked all his opponents around last year.
P.S.--congrats to the Giants for playing a great game that day.
Fact: Patriots were CAUGHT videotaping the Jets defensive signals
Fact: Steelers won 4 Super Bowls in the 70's. No one was caught with steroids. I'm sure that in that era there were players from all teams that may have used them.
I only know what I see and how he acts in interviews. Running off the field and not shaking hands after losing in the Super Bowl tells me a lot about his character. Don't tell me to shut the fuck up either, I'll say whatever I feel like.
Fact: the video was a mistake made by and individual in the Pats organization who was obviously unaware of the rule change at the end of the 2006 season AND said video was never seen by any of the Pats team or staff SO THEY RECEIVED NO BENEFIT AND THEY DID NOT CHEAT ON THIS GAME! NOR DID THEY CHEAT ON ANY OTHER ASS KICKING THEY HANDED OUT THE REST OF THE 2007 SEASON. GET OVER OUR DOMINATION AND STOP TRYING TO DIMINISH IT WITH FALSE CLAIMS OF CHEATING. VIDEOTAPING WAS ALLOWED THROUGH 2006 AND WAS A TOOL AVAILABLE TO ALL TEAMS--JUST BECAUSE YOUR TEAM WAS UNABLE TO CAPITALIZE ON IT ISN'T ANY REASON TO ATTACK THE PATS!
P.S.--You still don't know jack about Bill so quit trying to judge!
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Fuck you Patriots...I need to get some Patriot toilet paper so I can wipe my ass daily with that shit-eating grin of a logo
This is the kind of juvenile speak that makes regular fans like me turn nasty--I mean whats your f-ing point? Just jealous about how we stomped everyone last year (including Pitt)? Not so hard to beat a team when about half of them are second or third stringers due to starter injuries? Yeah Pitt is just great. ;D
Excuse me, Patriots stomped everyone last year? Are you still in denial of what happened in the Super Bowl? Pittsburgh fans aren't jealous of any team, we have 5 Super Bowls. We hate the Patriots because Belichick is smug, arrogant, and a cheater.
Yeah one superbowl with Ben and the rest with steroid juicing 1970s cheaters. If the super teams of the 70s had to compete under today's rules they would never cut it.
As far as your complete bullshit cheating comment--catch up with the rest of the world. The video rule changed at the end of 2006 and some nimrod in the NE organization didn't read the memo so they went and taped the 1st 1/4 of the 1st game of 2007. That alleged tape was confiscated before the half which means: NOBODY ON NE SAW THE TAPE TO USE ANYTHING FROM IT!. JESUS I can't beleive how many simpletons need this spelled out! [size=20]The Patriots dominant 2007 season came legitimately and all the suck ass teams' fans can't get over it and if their heads had been in the SB a little more it would have been 19-0![/size]
Oh yeah and just how do you assume to know so much about Bill Belichick? Do you live in his head and hear his thoughts? If you do--WOW congrats on a great life! If you don't (more likely) then STFU! Bill may be quiet and reserved but that doesn't make him smug and arrogant--you just think that because he smacked all his opponents around last year.
P.S.--congrats to the Giants for playing a great game that day.
Not sure what rule change youre talking about, seeing as how they were investigating the Patsies videotaping the super bowl vs. the Rams and playoff games vs. Pittsburgh in the early 2000's - where they also played them earlier in the year and therefore videotaping would be helpful.
I dont think anyone cares about that Jets game last year, aside from the fact they were doing it.
And you must be at the Boston Tea Party if you think Beliprick is quiet and reserved. Maybe compared to a Cowher on the sideline he appears reserved, but hes not reserved. True pointed out good points about his gamesmanship and character when he didnt shake hands at the super bowl. I also remember hearing stories a couple years ago how he was having an affair. So that shows his off-field character right there. Running up the score multiple times last year also shows a lack of respect for the game.
Too bad Brady didnt get his leg broke in the 4th Q last year of a game he was still in when they were winning 42-6. I guess it all worked out though. Last year and this year :)
That's mature--wish a broken leg on someone for being competitive.
QuoteThat's mature--wish a broken leg on someone for being competitive.
Keeping star players in, in blowout games in the 4th quarter MULTIPLE TIMES isnt being competitive, its being arrogant and unsportsmanlike
QuoteQuoteThat's mature--wish a broken leg on someone for being competitive.
Keeping star players in, in blowout games in the 4th quarter MULTIPLE TIMES isnt being competitive, its being arrogant and unsportsmanlike
I think gloating over beating a team without their 3 time Super Bowl QB is, well, you know, sort of lame.
QuoteQuoteQuoteThat's mature--wish a broken leg on someone for being competitive.
Keeping star players in, in blowout games in the 4th quarter MULTIPLE TIMES isnt being competitive, its being arrogant and unsportsmanlike
I think gloating over beating a team without their 3 time Super Bowl QB is, well, you know, sort of lame.
I cant remember gloating ever about beating them. I didnt bring up any kind of stats or anything from either team.
I can remember expressing my sheer enjoyment for finally being NE for the 1st time in 4 years. Their our biggest enemy, and we beat them. It brings happiness.
Is it the same Patsies without Brady? No. But its still the Patsies and they got an extra L on their record now :)
QuoteI got a feeling, PITTSBURGH's Goin To The SUPER BOWL!!!!!!
Fuck you Patriots...I need to get some Patriot toilet paper so I can wipe my ass daily with that shit-eating grin of a logo
No pun intended
um yeah I'd call this GLOATING.
or just overreacting to a game that Pitts won and was supposed to win. Just saying.
Fact: regardless of cheating or whatever ....18-1. Sorry had to squeeze that in.
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I cant remember gloating ever about beating them. I didnt bring up any kind of stats or anything from either team.
FYI:
Main Entry: gloat
Pronunciation: \[ch712]gl[ch333]t\
Function: intransitive verb
to observe or think about something with triumphant and often malicious satisfaction, gratification, or delight examples of
gloating:
"Fuck you Patriots...I need to get some Patriot toilet paper so I can wipe my ass daily with that shit-eating grin of a logo"
"Trust me, not only did beating the living F outta the Patsies bring joy to the hearts of Steeler nation, but it did the same thing to a team that beat them for the 1st time since Ben's rookie year, 2004"
"I was too busy watching us ramshackle New England to see what happened to NYJ this weekend"
The End
Ok, but FWIW, if we only beat them by 1 Id be just as happy
Full strength or not, their maybe not our biggest rivalry (Ravens) per se, but they are bc of the games weve played against them this decade and since the Ratbirds never were better than us except when they won the SB (and I think we were bad that year anyway).
You say gloating, I say Victory!
;)
Id just like to mention also that Tom Brady tore his ACL on my birthday this year
The Lord works in mysterious ways..and Ive also heard hes a Steeler fan
:)
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The Lord works in mysterious ways..and Ive also heard hes a Steeler fan
:)
God is a Saints fan, dumb ass. And for God, it ain't about the W's; W's are for mortals.
(but cheering for someone's injury is bush league, you should delete that if you have any class).
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The Lord works in mysterious ways..and Ive also heard hes a Steeler fan
:)
God is a Saints fan, dumb ass. And for God, it ain't about the W's; W's are for mortals.
(but cheering for someone's injury is bush league, you should delete that if you have any class).
I wasnt cheering for it, wasnt hoping for it, wasnt praying for it
But when it happened, I couldnt say I was heartbroken.
Its part of the game. If an injury like that happens to somebody (not some Kevin Everett type shit), I cant say he wouldnt be in my top 10
QuoteQuoteI got a feeling, PITTSBURGH's Goin To The SUPER BOWL!!!!!!
Fuck you Patriots...I need to get some Patriot toilet paper so I can wipe my ass daily with that shit-eating grin of a logo
No pun intended
um yeah I'd call this GLOATING.
or just overreacting to a game that Pitts won and was supposed to win. Just saying.
Fact: regardless of cheating or whatever ....18-1. Sorry had to squeeze that in.
PATRIOTS WERE FAVORED MAN!! Get your facts straight if you want to come in here and act like that.
You're right about 18-1 though.
[size=16]18-1[/size]
QuoteQuoteQuoteI got a feeling, PITTSBURGH's Goin To The SUPER BOWL!!!!!!
Fuck you Patriots...I need to get some Patriot toilet paper so I can wipe my ass daily with that shit-eating grin of a logo
No pun intended
um yeah I'd call this GLOATING.
or just overreacting to a game that Pitts won and was supposed to win. Just saying.
Fact: regardless of cheating or whatever ....18-1. Sorry had to squeeze that in.
PATRIOTS WERE FAVORED MAN!! Get your facts straight if you want to come in here and act like that.
You're right about 18-1 though.
[size=16]18-1[/size]
Wow...I totally forgot NE was favored.
True, you gotta have my back when Im in the trenches, not when Ive already been stabbed to death ;D ;D
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI got a feeling, PITTSBURGH's Goin To The SUPER BOWL!!!!!!
Fuck you Patriots...I need to get some Patriot toilet paper so I can wipe my ass daily with that shit-eating grin of a logo
No pun intended
um yeah I'd call this GLOATING.
or just overreacting to a game that Pitts won and was supposed to win. Just saying.
Fact: regardless of cheating or whatever ....18-1. Sorry had to squeeze that in.
PATRIOTS WERE FAVORED MAN!! Get your facts straight if you want to come in here and act like that.
You're right about 18-1 though.
[size=16]18-1[/size]
Wow...I totally forgot NE was favored.
True, you gotta have my back when Im in the trenches, not when Ive already been stabbed to death ;D ;D
I had to go out and drink! I knew this thread would get volatile and wanted to get amped for it!
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI got a feeling, PITTSBURGH's Goin To The SUPER BOWL!!!!!!
Fuck you Patriots...I need to get some Patriot toilet paper so I can wipe my ass daily with that shit-eating grin of a logo
No pun intended
um yeah I'd call this GLOATING.
or just overreacting to a game that Pitts won and was supposed to win. Just saying.
Fact: regardless of cheating or whatever ....18-1. Sorry had to squeeze that in.
PATRIOTS WERE FAVORED MAN!! Get your facts straight if you want to come in here and act like that.
You're right about 18-1 though.
[size=16]18-1[/size]
Wow...I totally forgot NE was favored.
True, you gotta have my back when Im in the trenches, not when Ive already been stabbed to death ;D ;D
I had to go out and drink! I knew this thread would get volatile and wanted to get amped for it!
typical Stiller fan ::)
;D ;D
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI got a feeling, PITTSBURGH's Goin To The SUPER BOWL!!!!!!
Fuck you Patriots...I need to get some Patriot toilet paper so I can wipe my ass daily with that shit-eating grin of a logo
No pun intended
um yeah I'd call this GLOATING.
or just overreacting to a game that Pitts won and was supposed to win. Just saying.
Fact: regardless of cheating or whatever ....18-1. Sorry had to squeeze that in.
PATRIOTS WERE FAVORED MAN!! Get your facts straight if you want to come in here and act like that.
You're right about 18-1 though.
[size=16]18-1[/size]
Wow...I totally forgot NE was favored.
True, you gotta have my back when Im in the trenches, not when Ive already been stabbed to death ;D ;D
Yeah and the last time the Eagles played the Giants the Eagles were favored...doesn't mean the Giants still were not supposed to win, lines are for gamblers.
Another big win for the Steelers!
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI got a feeling, PITTSBURGH's Goin To The SUPER BOWL!!!!!!
Fuck you Patriots...I need to get some Patriot toilet paper so I can wipe my ass daily with that shit-eating grin of a logo
No pun intended
um yeah I'd call this GLOATING.
or just overreacting to a game that Pitts won and was supposed to win. Just saying.
Fact: regardless of cheating or whatever ....18-1. Sorry had to squeeze that in.
PATRIOTS WERE FAVORED MAN!! Get your facts straight if you want to come in here and act like that.
You're right about 18-1 though.
[size=16]18-1[/size]
Wow...I totally forgot NE was favored.
True, you gotta have my back when Im in the trenches, not when Ive already been stabbed to death ;D ;D
Yeah and the last time the Eagles played the Giants the Eagles were favored...doesn't mean the Giants still were not supposed to win, lines are for gamblers.
Whos was favored today?
vikings ho!!!
QuoteAnother big win for the Steelers!
That game was :D :D :D :D
I was pissed we couldnt pound it in at the goalline in the 4th quarter there, but after that it was 10 minutes of great football from the Steelers.
And if yinz all havent heard, James Harrison should be the NFL Defensive MVP. Just another 8 tackle, 1 sack, 1 forced fumble day. Oh, and a called off fumble recovery for a TD
Not only is Silverback all over youre team, but he's all over your team's crazy fans!!
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the best thing about that game was that Romo choked once again. How many big games is this guy going to blow before the entire NFL world stops kissing his A##ss? seriously you would think he was Tom Brady and had 3 superbowls....he's won nothing.
Thanks to Pitts for giving the Giants the NFC East....tough game for the Giants, no excuses the Eagles were desperate and outplayed the Giants in every way. One of the most fustrating games to watch all year. Playoffs are coming down to it.
Romo didn't have the greatest game in the world, but it was also his first game without the splint on his finger. It was pretty obvious by the way that some of the throws were sailing that he was having some issues.
It's not like Big Ben "won" the game for the Steelers or anything.
QuoteRomo didn't have the greatest game in the world, but it was also his first game without the splint on his finger. It was pretty obvious by the way that some of the throws were sailing that he was having some issues.
It's not like Big Ben "won" the game for the Steelers or anything.
No but look at Romo's track record in big games. You can't make an excuse about his finger, he's been back for 3 weeks, if It was a problem he wouldn't be in there. Ben didn't win the game but he also didn't lose it.
QuoteRomo didn't have the greatest game in the world, but it was also his first game without the splint on his finger. It was pretty obvious by the way that some of the throws were sailing that he was having some issues.
It's not like Big Ben "won" the game for the Steelers or anything.
The defense won it. Ben was a big part too though, did you see the last couple drives? When the game is on the line Ben always comes through whereas Romo throws INTs.
Hey Everyone, a bit of a new comer to this thread. Been reading but not posting. Big NFL fan!
I like the way your guys are getting after it on here. Some good trash talking! I respect the passion everyone has for their teams. To clear a couple of things up from the last few pages of this Forum.
Fact: The Patriots did go 18-1 last season and beat everyone but the Giants who kicked the snot out of Tom Brady and the Patriots in SB XLII. Tom hadn't spent that much time on his back since Gisele Bundchen tied him to her bed.
Fact: The Giants are 11-2, Pitt is 10-3 and NE is 8-5 in the 2008 season. The Giants went into Pitt and battled for a tough and hard fought victory against the steelers in week 8. I actually went to the game. Good people, great fans, cool stadium. Thanks for beating Dallas this weekend
Fact: The Patriots lost to the NY Jets this season. ;D
Uhhhh....the Jets revealing themselves as the pretenders I thought they were. C'mon boys!!!
QuoteQuoteRomo didn't have the greatest game in the world, but it was also his first game without the splint on his finger. It was pretty obvious by the way that some of the throws were sailing that he was having some issues.
It's not like Big Ben "won" the game for the Steelers or anything.
No but look at Romo's track record in big games. You can't make an excuse about his finger, he's been back for 3 weeks, if It was a problem he wouldn't be in there. Ben didn't win the game but he also didn't lose it.
I found it laughable the announcers kept saying "Oh, its Romo's 1st game without a splint, ooh, the splint must have really been helping him, ahh" ;D ;D
What a crock. Last time I checked, you remove splints because your appendage is healed, not the other way around. So what, the splint was adding velocity to his passes and making them more accurate?! If that was the case and he said so, Im sure their halftime adjustments wouldve been putting a splint on his hand.
If there is an excuse, it was the weather. The coldest game he ever played in prior to today was 46 degrees (dont remember if he said they won or not). Yesterday was below 10 degrees, and windy. I could tell Romo wasnt used to playing in real football weather when he played in his regular jersey with no longsleeves ;D
...As for Ben, at the end of the game his stats werent spectacular, but last time I checked the last 3 offensive drives went: turnover on downs @ DAL 2 bc we couldnt punch it in, FG, TD drive that started with under 4 minutes on the clock. I dont know what yinz all's definiteion of "winning" the game his, but Benny was certainly a big factor "winning" the game.
Oh, and he seemed to be able to play in 15 degree weather :)
Anyone been following the Bill-Dolphins mess that was played yesterday in Toronto?
Some Bills fans worry that their team will eventually leave for far richer and and far bigger Toronto. Ralph Wilson made a deal with the late Ted Rogers (cable giant and Blue Jays owner) to play 5 regular season and three pre-season games in Toronto with money up-front. The catch? Ticket prices are outrageous - top ducat came close to $600 and the average price was in the mid $100 range. Bills fans and Torontonians scoffed at those prices.
Also, the dome was closed, thus giving no home-field advantage to Buffalo (assuming Toronto is a Bills hotbed, which it isn't). Also, the Rogers Centre (formally Sky Dome) holds around 55,000, which doesn't meet the minimum size requirements for the NFL.
Also, the ticket sales were poor, so much so that the game was almost blacked-out. Imagine those poor Bills fans not being able to even watch their game?
Anyway, Rogers gave away thousands of tickets and the NFL didn't want the game blacked-out, so it was televised. It looked like a CFL production. The cameras were tight to the field with few shots of the crowd. Lots of empty seats even though it was "sold-out." The arrogance of Rogers and Wilson backfired on them since they pissed-off Bills fans, pissed-off NFL fans in Toronto that didn't want to pay that much dough for the tickets, but the good thing about all of this is that it didn't hurt the Toronto Argos CFL team and fanbase (which was a worry) since this was all handled terribly. The game stunk too.
The real Bills fanbase in Canada is located 50-75 miles west of Toronto, in cities like Hamilton (they hate Toronto), Kitchener, London, Niagra Falls and even Windsor, where upwards of 3 million folks live. 30-40% of the fans at Bills home games are from those above areas I listed.
I hope the Bills never leave. I like the CFL and NFL co-existing, but if Buffalo moved their team here, I think it would destroy Buffalo and destroy the 100 year-old CFL and damage an important nationalistic tradition, not to mention a fun game to watch.
QuoteHey Everyone, a bit of a new comer to this thread. Been reading but not posting. Big NFL fan!
I like the way your guys are getting after it on here. Some good trash talking! I respect the passion everyone has for their teams. To clear a couple of things up from the last few pages of this Forum.
Fact: The Patriots did go 18-1 last season and beat everyone but the Giants who kicked the snot out of Tom Brady and the Patriots in SB XLII. Tom hadn't spent that much time on his back since Gisele Bundchen tied him to her bed.
Fact: The Giants are 11-2, Pitt is 10-3 and NE is 8-5 in the 2008 season. The Giants went into Pitt and battled for a tough and hard fought victory against the steelers in week 8. I actually went to the game. Good people, great fans, cool stadium. Thanks for beating Dallas this weekend
Fact: The Patriots lost to the NY Jets this season. ;D
Nice, I started the "Fact:" thing cause I had just watched Bottle Rocket the other day.
Big win for the Panthers. We control the NFC South again...I just hope we can handle the Giants.
QuoteBig win for the Panthers. We control the NFC South again...I just hope we can handle the Giants.
So as a Panthers fan, is DeAngelo Williams on the cream, or the clear, in 2008??
QuoteQuoteBig win for the Panthers. We control the NFC South again...I just hope we can handle the Giants.
So as a Panthers fan, is DeAngelo Williams on the cream, or the clear, in 2008??
Only time will tell...either way, we still have Jon Stewart.
(http://www.libertyfilmfestival.com/libertas/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/jon_stewart.jpg)
No, no, the other one. I meant Jonathan Stewart.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/Saltlick/NFL%202006/Carolina_DeAngeloWilliams.jpg)
Yeah, there we go.
If I were Larry David, Id say the Panthers are looking "pret-tay, pret-tay, pretty good" right about now.
Seriously, I dont know what happened to DeAngelo, but hes on fire and JStew is no slouch either.
I think if Delhomme can get himself together and connect on passes to someone other than Smitty, CAR is NYG's biggest threat in the NFC.
Yo Reggie, my fantasysquad needs to to run up some bigtime numbers tomorrow...Im talking 'championship' TJ Housh style this year, so since you didnt give me shit for points for over a month, I need a big game tomorrow.
And no sexytime the night before a game!!
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QuoteIf I were Larry David, Id say the Panthers are looking "pret-tay, pret-tay, pretty good" right about now.
Seriously, I dont know what happened to DeAngelo, but hes on fire and JStew is no slouch either.
I think if Delhomme can get himself together and connect on passes to someone other than Smitty, CAR is NYG's biggest threat in the NFC.
They are looking good right now...but and a big BUT....I'll never be too worried with a team who has Delhomme as their QB.
QuoteQuoteIf I were Larry David, Id say the Panthers are looking "pret-tay, pret-tay, pretty good" right about now.
Seriously, I dont know what happened to DeAngelo, but hes on fire and JStew is no slouch either.
I think if Delhomme can get himself together and connect on passes to someone other than Smitty, CAR is NYG's biggest threat in the NFC.
They are looking good right now...but and a big BUT....I'll never be too worried with a team who has Delhomme as their QB.
Last time I checked Delhomme almost won a super bowl :-?
QuoteQuoteQuoteIf I were Larry David, Id say the Panthers are looking "pret-tay, pret-tay, pretty good" right about now.
Seriously, I dont know what happened to DeAngelo, but hes on fire and JStew is no slouch either.
I think if Delhomme can get himself together and connect on passes to someone other than Smitty, CAR is NYG's biggest threat in the NFC.
They are looking good right now...but and a big BUT....I'll never be too worried with a team who has Delhomme as their QB.
Last time I checked Delhomme almost won a super bowl :-?
and Trent Dilfer has a Super Bowl ring. What's your point?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf I were Larry David, Id say the Panthers are looking "pret-tay, pret-tay, pretty good" right about now.
Seriously, I dont know what happened to DeAngelo, but hes on fire and JStew is no slouch either.
I think if Delhomme can get himself together and connect on passes to someone other than Smitty, CAR is NYG's biggest threat in the NFC.
They are looking good right now...but and a big BUT....I'll never be too worried with a team who has Delhomme as their QB.
Last time I checked Delhomme almost won a super bowl :-?
and Trent Dilfer has a Super Bowl ring. What's your point?
Delhomme > Dilfer
Delhomme isnt a Top 10 QB or anything, but hes somewhere between 12-20.
With their running attack as good as it is and a solid D at each level, they can still challenge in the NFC with Delhomme.
If you look in the AFC, Tennesse is doing the exact same thing with Collins and has only 1 loss
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf I were Larry David, Id say the Panthers are looking "pret-tay, pret-tay, pretty good" right about now.
Seriously, I dont know what happened to DeAngelo, but hes on fire and JStew is no slouch either.
I think if Delhomme can get himself together and connect on passes to someone other than Smitty, CAR is NYG's biggest threat in the NFC.
They are looking good right now...but and a big BUT....I'll never be too worried with a team who has Delhomme as their QB.
Last time I checked Delhomme almost won a super bowl :-?
and Trent Dilfer has a Super Bowl ring. What's your point?
Delhomme > Dilfer
Delhomme isnt a Top 10 QB or anything, but hes somewhere between 12-20.
With their running attack as good as it is and a solid D at each level, they can still challenge in the NFC with Delhomme.
If you look in the AFC, Tennesse is doing the exact same thing with Collins and has only 1 loss
Marino > Delhomme
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf I were Larry David, Id say the Panthers are looking "pret-tay, pret-tay, pretty good" right about now.
Seriously, I dont know what happened to DeAngelo, but hes on fire and JStew is no slouch either.
I think if Delhomme can get himself together and connect on passes to someone other than Smitty, CAR is NYG's biggest threat in the NFC.
They are looking good right now...but and a big BUT....I'll never be too worried with a team who has Delhomme as their QB.
Last time I checked Delhomme almost won a super bowl :-?
and Trent Dilfer has a Super Bowl ring. What's your point?
Delhomme > Dilfer
Delhomme isnt a Top 10 QB or anything, but hes somewhere between 12-20.
With their running attack as good as it is and a solid D at each level, they can still challenge in the NFC with Delhomme.
If you look in the AFC, Tennesse is doing the exact same thing with Collins and has only 1 loss
Marino > Delhomme
Finkle > Marino > Delhomme
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf I were Larry David, Id say the Panthers are looking "pret-tay, pret-tay, pretty good" right about now.
Seriously, I dont know what happened to DeAngelo, but hes on fire and JStew is no slouch either.
I think if Delhomme can get himself together and connect on passes to someone other than Smitty, CAR is NYG's biggest threat in the NFC.
They are looking good right now...but and a big BUT....I'll never be too worried with a team who has Delhomme as their QB.
Last time I checked Delhomme almost won a super bowl :-?
and Trent Dilfer has a Super Bowl ring. What's your point?
Delhomme > Dilfer
Delhomme isnt a Top 10 QB or anything, but hes somewhere between 12-20.
With their running attack as good as it is and a solid D at each level, they can still challenge in the NFC with Delhomme.
If you look in the AFC, Tennesse is doing the exact same thing with Collins and has only 1 loss
Marino > Delhomme
Finkle > Marino > Delhomme
Snowflake > Finkle >Marino > Delhomme
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QuoteQuoteQuoteIf I were Larry David, Id say the Panthers are looking "pret-tay, pret-tay, pretty good" right about now.
Seriously, I dont know what happened to DeAngelo, but hes on fire and JStew is no slouch either.
I think if Delhomme can get himself together and connect on passes to someone other than Smitty, CAR is NYG's biggest threat in the NFC.
They are looking good right now...but and a big BUT....I'll never be too worried with a team who has Delhomme as their QB.
Last time I checked Delhomme almost won a super bowl :-?
Um his team almost won a superbowl...he lost a superbowl. He is not really a QB that is going to beat you is my point. Carolina has a solid team though.
QuoteQuoteHey Everyone, a bit of a new comer to this thread. Been reading but not posting. Big NFL fan!
I like the way your guys are getting after it on here. Some good trash talking! I respect the passion everyone has for their teams. To clear a couple of things up from the last few pages of this Forum.
Fact: The Patriots did go 18-1 last season and beat everyone but the Giants who kicked the snot out of Tom Brady and the Patriots in SB XLII. Tom hadn't spent that much time on his back since Gisele Bundchen tied him to her bed.
Fact: The Giants are 11-2, Pitt is 10-3 and NE is 8-5 in the 2008 season. The Giants went into Pitt and battled for a tough and hard fought victory against the steelers in week 8. I actually went to the game. Good people, great fans, cool stadium. Thanks for beating Dallas this weekend
Fact: The Patriots lost to the NY Jets this season. ;D
Nice, I started the "Fact:" thing cause I had just watched Bottle Rocket the other day.
SORRY BUT A 17-14 WIN IS NOT A SNOT KICKING. APPARENTLY THE GIANTS WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION TO THE SNOT KICKING THE PATS DID ALL YEAR. ::)
QuoteQuoteQuoteHey Everyone, a bit of a new comer to this thread. Been reading but not posting. Big NFL fan!
I like the way your guys are getting after it on here. Some good trash talking! I respect the passion everyone has for their teams. To clear a couple of things up from the last few pages of this Forum.
Fact: The Patriots did go 18-1 last season and beat everyone but the Giants who kicked the snot out of Tom Brady and the Patriots in SB XLII. Tom hadn't spent that much time on his back since Gisele Bundchen tied him to her bed.
Fact: The Giants are 11-2, Pitt is 10-3 and NE is 8-5 in the 2008 season. The Giants went into Pitt and battled for a tough and hard fought victory against the steelers in week 8. I actually went to the game. Good people, great fans, cool stadium. Thanks for beating Dallas this weekend
Fact: The Patriots lost to the NY Jets this season. ;D
Nice, I started the "Fact:" thing cause I had just watched Bottle Rocket the other day.
SORRY BUT A 17-14 WIN IS NOT A SNOT KICKING. APPARENTLY THE GIANTS WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION TO THE SNOT KICKING THE PATS DID ALL YEAR. ::)
You mean the snot kicking they did all year that got them no rings or a Lombardi trophy??
Oh yeah, that snot kicking
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHey Everyone, a bit of a new comer to this thread. Been reading but not posting. Big NFL fan!
I like the way your guys are getting after it on here. Some good trash talking! I respect the passion everyone has for their teams. To clear a couple of things up from the last few pages of this Forum.
Fact: The Patriots did go 18-1 last season and beat everyone but the Giants who kicked the snot out of Tom Brady and the Patriots in SB XLII. Tom hadn't spent that much time on his back since Gisele Bundchen tied him to her bed.
Fact: The Giants are 11-2, Pitt is 10-3 and NE is 8-5 in the 2008 season. The Giants went into Pitt and battled for a tough and hard fought victory against the steelers in week 8. I actually went to the game. Good people, great fans, cool stadium. Thanks for beating Dallas this weekend
Fact: The Patriots lost to the NY Jets this season. ;D
Nice, I started the "Fact:" thing cause I had just watched Bottle Rocket the other day.
SORRY BUT A 17-14 WIN IS NOT A SNOT KICKING. APPARENTLY THE GIANTS WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION TO THE SNOT KICKING THE PATS DID ALL YEAR. ::)
You mean the snot kicking they did all year that got them no rings or a Lombardi trophy??
Oh yeah, that snot kicking
They still went 18-1 for the year and as fare as I know nobody else has accomplished this! The Giants definitely won't and chances are the Titans won't either.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHey Everyone, a bit of a new comer to this thread. Been reading but not posting. Big NFL fan!
I like the way your guys are getting after it on here. Some good trash talking! I respect the passion everyone has for their teams. To clear a couple of things up from the last few pages of this Forum.
Fact: The Patriots did go 18-1 last season and beat everyone but the Giants who kicked the snot out of Tom Brady and the Patriots in SB XLII. Tom hadn't spent that much time on his back since Gisele Bundchen tied him to her bed.
Fact: The Giants are 11-2, Pitt is 10-3 and NE is 8-5 in the 2008 season. The Giants went into Pitt and battled for a tough and hard fought victory against the steelers in week 8. I actually went to the game. Good people, great fans, cool stadium. Thanks for beating Dallas this weekend
Fact: The Patriots lost to the NY Jets this season. ;D
Nice, I started the "Fact:" thing cause I had just watched Bottle Rocket the other day.
SORRY BUT A 17-14 WIN IS NOT A SNOT KICKING. APPARENTLY THE GIANTS WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION TO THE SNOT KICKING THE PATS DID ALL YEAR. ::)
You mean the snot kicking they did all year that got them no rings or a Lombardi trophy??
Oh yeah, that snot kicking
They still went 18-1 for the year and as fare as I know nobody else has accomplished this! The Giants definitely won't and chances are the Titans won't either.
Im pretty sure if Miami wasnt 19-0 in their '72 season, they were 18-1
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHey Everyone, a bit of a new comer to this thread. Been reading but not posting. Big NFL fan!
I like the way your guys are getting after it on here. Some good trash talking! I respect the passion everyone has for their teams. To clear a couple of things up from the last few pages of this Forum.
Fact: The Patriots did go 18-1 last season and beat everyone but the Giants who kicked the snot out of Tom Brady and the Patriots in SB XLII. Tom hadn't spent that much time on his back since Gisele Bundchen tied him to her bed.
Fact: The Giants are 11-2, Pitt is 10-3 and NE is 8-5 in the 2008 season. The Giants went into Pitt and battled for a tough and hard fought victory against the steelers in week 8. I actually went to the game. Good people, great fans, cool stadium. Thanks for beating Dallas this weekend
Fact: The Patriots lost to the NY Jets this season. ;D
Nice, I started the "Fact:" thing cause I had just watched Bottle Rocket the other day.
SORRY BUT A 17-14 WIN IS NOT A SNOT KICKING. APPARENTLY THE GIANTS WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION TO THE SNOT KICKING THE PATS DID ALL YEAR. ::)
You mean the snot kicking they did all year that got them no rings or a Lombardi trophy??
Oh yeah, that snot kicking
They still went 18-1 for the year and as fare as I know nobody else has accomplished this! The Giants definitely won't and chances are the Titans won't either.
Im pretty sure if Miami wasnt 19-0 in their '72 season, they were 18-1
WRONG!!!!!! The NFL season in '72 was only 17 games including the playoffs and the superbowl. Kinda hard to get 18-1 there.
Id still rather have a Super Bowl win
QuoteId still rather have a Super Bowl win
is this some sort of trash talk? The Pats have been in 4 of the last 7 Super Bowls, winning 3 of them. You can't win the Super Bowl every year, jeeeez.
:-/
I'm about sick of the controversy that has already started with that Pittsburgh touchdown. Now I know the rule is that the ball must cross the plane of the endzone. But that directly conflicts with every touchdown that has been scored when a WR catches a ball that is out of bounds in its flight but is caught with two feet in bounds.
Scenario: Based on the talking heads of football on NBC and ESPN, if a reciever were to reach out and catch a ball that is out of bounds in its flight, by the closest pylon(sp?) with both feet in, that this would not be a TD.. But wait, everytime this happens, it is ruled a touchdown. In this scenario, the ball never comes close to what is described as the goal's plane.
Scenario 2: A high pass goes to a reciever in the back of the endzone, the player reaches up and leans out(with both feet in bounds) and catches the ball. Now, in this scenario, it's a touchdown, so why not in the Pittsburgh situation? Neither one crossed the plane of the goal while in possession of a player. One is simply in front of the endzone and one is in the back.
Sorry, rant over. I'm not really sure if that'll translate well over the internet, but I think that if a reciever has two feet in the endzone with control of the ball that it is, without a doubt, a TD. If anyone could find the rule or further explain their complaints, then I would love to hear them and be made wrong.
I still would think the same thing about the catch but may not have written this if I didn't HATE the Ravens. ;D
QuoteI'm about sick of the controversy that has already started with that Pittsburgh touchdown. Now I know the rule is that the ball must cross the plane of the endzone. But that directly conflicts with every touchdown that has been scored when a WR catches a ball that is out of bounds in its flight but is caught with two feet in bounds.
Scenario: Based on the talking heads of football on NBC and ESPN, if a reciever were to reach out and catch a ball that is out of bounds in its flight, by the closest pylon(sp?) with both feet in, that this would not be a TD.. But wait, everytime this happens, it is ruled a touchdown. In this scenario, the ball never comes close to what is described as the goal's plane.
Scenario 2: A high pass goes to a reciever in the back of the endzone, the player reaches up and leans out(with both feet in bounds) and catches the ball. Now, in this scenario, it's a touchdown, so why not in the Pittsburgh situation? Neither one crossed the plane of the goal while in possession of a player. One is simply in front of the endzone and one is in the back.
Sorry, rant over. I'm not really sure if that'll translate well over the internet, but I think that if a reciever has two feet in the endzone with control of the ball that it is, without a doubt, a TD. If anyone could find the rule or further explain their complaints, then I would love to hear them and be made wrong.
I still would think the same thing about the catch but may not have written this if I didn't HATE the Ravens. ;D
I just got home from work so I haven't heard all the controversy yet. I watched the highlights and it looked like the right call to me. I would guess that its in the rule book that if you're feet are down then its a touchdown.
QuoteI'm about sick of the controversy that has already started with that Pittsburgh touchdown. Now I know the rule is that the ball must cross the plane of the endzone. But that directly conflicts with every touchdown that has been scored when a WR catches a ball that is out of bounds in its flight but is caught with two feet in bounds.
Scenario: Based on the talking heads of football on NBC and ESPN, if a reciever were to reach out and catch a ball that is out of bounds in its flight, by the closest pylon(sp?) with both feet in, that this would not be a TD.. But wait, everytime this happens, it is ruled a touchdown. In this scenario, the ball never comes close to what is described as the goal's plane.
Scenario 2: A high pass goes to a reciever in the back of the endzone, the player reaches up and leans out(with both feet in bounds) and catches the ball. Now, in this scenario, it's a touchdown, so why not in the Pittsburgh situation? Neither one crossed the plane of the goal while in possession of a player. One is simply in front of the endzone and one is in the back.
Sorry, rant over. I'm not really sure if that'll translate well over the internet, but I think that if a reciever has two feet in the endzone with control of the ball that it is, without a doubt, a TD. If anyone could find the rule or further explain their complaints, then I would love to hear them and be made wrong.
I still would think the same thing about the catch but may not have written this if I didn't HATE the Ravens. ;D
First, I understand what youre trying to say, but in both those scenarios obviously the ball is across the plane of the goalline. What youre trying to say I think is why if a receivers feet are in bounds and the ball is not (for instance), how could it be a TD. Fair argument I guess, but 2 totally different rules.
Second, Im astonished at how the media is jumping over the overturning of this review.
Im sure Tracy, Bold and others will fling homer bias at me, but I think the ref made the right call. Hell, Mike Pereira (head of officiating) even said it was the right call within a couple of hours and that there was undisputable evidence that they made the right call (and he has on numerous times said the wrong call was made by the refs).
Clearly Holmes toes were on the ground the entire time prior to catching the ball, while catching, and after the catch.
The ball undoubtedly crossed the plane of the goalline.
The only argument is when he had "possession" of the ball. Replay shows he didnt bobble the ball at all, so I dont see how you can say he didnt possess the ball with 2 feet down while crossing the front of the goalline.
And again, very surprised at how much the media is focusing on this. I know it was a big game, and they want to say there was no "indisputable evidence" to overturn it, but hold the media spotlight for once.
So as not to extend the length of that since Im sure it will be quoted by a few people - AWESOME game. I dont know why our offense all of a sudden turns it on for its last few drives in the 4th quarter for the last month plus, but it has.
Considering we were pinned inside our own 10 yardline 4 times that game, and the Ratbirds killed us in starting field position, Im even more impressed with the win.
McClain did better than I expected, but we held Flacco to 115 yards passing, 0 TDs, and 2 INTs. Great defense the whole game, especially considering aforementioned field position.
Roethlisberger has played great ever since his poor performance vs Indy. 246 yards vs. the Ratbirds D?! No INTS, and the game winning TD to boot. Hes played great for the last month or so.
Hes nowhere near having a Top 5 QB season this year, but I cant think of a QB in the NFL who would have better starts with our piss-poor OLine. I yell at the TV screen throw the ball away constantly, but somehow he continues to make plays more often than not.
The 1st time weve won in the land of "The Wire" since 2002
Oh, and that NYG vs. DAL game was intense as well...I thought DAL had a good shot at winning despite the soap opera this week, but I did not think their D would manhandle NYG OLine and Manning like that.
I know NYG didnt have Jacobs, but DAL basically didnt have Barber either.
Very interesting upcoming week. 1st place in each conference is up for grabs with NYG vs. CAR and PIT vs TEN...And Im in the fantasy football championship in my money league, 300$ on the line, but I almost even want it more for bragging rights and pride >:(
....and muchos gracias to you, Houston Texans, for winning that game today....Andre Johnson is a beast. With Owens, Moss, and Harrison on the decline, I think the new triplets are Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, and Larry Fitzgerald.
Hard to say that without mentioning Boldin though
Mannings first QB brothers to make Pro Bowl
NEW YORK (AP)—Peyton and Eli Manning have been voted to the Pro Bowl, the first time two quarterback-playing brothers have played in the same game.
Peyton Manning of the Indianapolis Colts will play for the AFC, and his brother Eli of the New York Giants will play for the NFC. It will be Peyton Manning's ninth appearance in 11 seasons in the NFL's all-star game; Eli, the MVP in last season's Super Bowl, will be competing in his first.
Eli sure did look rough against that Dallas D the other day. When he wasn't on his back, he looked flustered as all hell.
QuoteMannings first QB brothers to make Pro Bowl
NEW YORK (AP)—Peyton and Eli Manning have been voted to the Pro Bowl, the first time two quarterback-playing brothers have played in the same game.
Peyton Manning of the Indianapolis Colts will play for the AFC, and his brother Eli of the New York Giants will play for the NFC. It will be Peyton Manning's ninth appearance in 11 seasons in the NFL's all-star game; Eli, the MVP in last season's Super Bowl, will be competing in his first.
Wasnt last season's opening night game NYG vs INDY :-?
I'm pretty sure the Colts played the Saints on a Thursday night to start last season.
QuoteI'm pretty sure the Colts played the Saints on a Thursday night to start last season.
You're right. But I could've sworn they played each other before so I did some digging (something the Associated Press could apparently do a lot more of). The Mannings faced off against each other in Week 1 of the 2006 season.
So that article was wrong, they've played each other in a professional game before. Still pretty cool they're both in the pro bowl. Next milestone will be both in the super bowl.
Big game Sunday in Nashville
Titans revved up about 'Steelers week'
http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/news.php?viewStory=64894
Can't wait for that one. The Steelers D is gonna be rough for the Titans run game. Collins' passing game left something to be desired last week against the Texans, so I'm interested to see how this all pans out.
Also, Yahoo was reporting that Haynesworth AND Vanden Bosch would both be out this week. Not good AT ALL for the Titans defense.
QuoteCan't wait for that one. The Steelers D is gonna be rough for the Titans run game. Collins' passing game left something to be desired last week against the Texans, so I'm interested to see how this all pans out.
Also, Yahoo was reporting that Haynesworth AND Vanden Bosch would both be out this week. Not good AT ALL for the Titans defense.
With both those injuries, I cant see them beating us. Unlike teams like DAL and PHI, TEN pass rush is primarily from their DLine, and those are their 2 biggest threats.
Their only chance is CJ3 and Lendale busting out big games and hopefully taking pressure/less pass rush off of Collins. I think Lendale factors in more in this game, because to run on our D at all, you typically need size (see McClain last week).
Ive thought TEN has been overrated all year, especially their defense, and now its without arguably their 2 best players. Unlike the last few final drive wins, I think PIT wins this by 10 or more
The line started -1 TEN, and its already to -2 PIT...gamblers are smart ;D
It's most definitely gonna be a good game, but I'd really like to see Haynesworth and Vanden Bosch in there for TN. I don't see them pulling off a W without them.
Maybe Ill eat my words monday, but Id much rather play a 100% TEN team than either BAL or INDY in the playoffs
As long as Vanden Bosch and Haynesworth are back before the playoffs, I'll be happy.
Of course, I'd like to see a W this weekend, but TN already has a round 1 BYE, so it doesn't really matter if we win or lose.
QuoteMaybe Ill eat my words monday, but Id much rather play a 100% TEN team than either BAL or INDY in the playoffs
That's odd considering Tenn has beaten both Baltimore and Indy this year.
QuoteQuoteMaybe Ill eat my words monday, but Id much rather play a 100% TEN team than either BAL or INDY in the playoffs
That's odd considering Tenn has beaten both Baltimore and Indy this year.
Baltimore is always at their best vs us...Id hate to see them in the playoffs whether its home or away.
While our defense is great overall, its def easier to beat us through the air than by the run. Indy can do that, Tennessee cant
That said, unless Baltimore doesnt make the playoffs, I fully expect to see them or Indy the 2nd week of the playoffs
QuoteAs long as Vanden Bosch and Haynesworth are back before the playoffs, I'll be happy.
Of course, I'd like to see a W this weekend, but TN already has a round 1 BYE, so it doesn't really matter if we win or lose.
It does, home field advantage makes a difference.
Touche'.
QuoteQuoteMaybe Ill eat my words monday, but Id much rather play a 100% TEN team than either BAL or INDY in the playoffs
That's odd considering Tenn has beaten both Baltimore and Indy this year.
and just think what a 100% Titans team would have done to the Steelers today.
Home field may be just the ticket the Titans need for the Super Bowl. Should be a great playoff season but I feel the Colts rising to the top. (might even have to dig deep into the savings and go to one of those Titans playoff games)
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Man, that TN/PITT game was a good one! And yeah, that's without Haynesworth and Vanden Bosch.
Well, that rookie who replaced Haynesworth had 3.5 sacks and 3 forced fumbles...I dont think not having Haynesworth mattered, and Jason Jones probably actually had a a better game than he would have.
I think we were -4 in turnovers....Like Ive said numerous times, our offense isnt potent enough to lose the turnover battle that much and still expect to win.
Our OLine looked like garbage once again after impressing vs. the Ratbirds last week too
I think the AFC and the whole league basically is wide open. I don't see any great teams or dominate teams. Giants had a run where they looked like that but not anymore (writing as I watch Carolina roll down the field and score on them) Playoffs should be fun.
Giants Win!! that was an amazing game. Playoff-like.
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I raise you
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And what fuckin rock has DeAngelo Williams been under the last 2 years???
Jeebus
Great day of football yesterday! I'm getting geared up for the playoffs!
I don't watch pro football, especiall the pathetic Ram's. This shit cracked me up.
As soon as I saw it, the first thing that popped in my head is
Smokey said you got knocked the fuck ouuuuuut!
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/When-officials-attack-Umpire-lowers-the-boom-on?urn=nfl,130799
the Jets never fail to dissapoint me :'(
Quotethe Jets never fail to dissapoint me :'(
S..O..J....Same Old Jets, When will I learn? :(
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You wanna go to Tampa? You gotta come to my house first...
Well I can't complain. All things considered, my 2 pretender teams (Jets and Bears) are still alive. Shall see what next week brings. Playoff birth for either or both would be great going into the SHOW!!!
i really hope my vikings don't choke (or the bears win again). not that we'll do any serious business in the playoffs anyways...
Man the Pats whomped ass on the Cardinals this weekend! Almost made me feel sorry for Kurt Warner, but not really. I'm starting to wonder about Mangina's future as the New York Flameouts coach after the dismal 4th down decision.
Jets choked....I mean look at the teams they lost to this year. San Fran, Seattle and Oakland. You don't deserve to be in the playoffs losing to those teams.
QuoteMan the Pats whomped ass on the Cardinals this weekend! quote]
The Cards are a completely different team on the road. That was the first game that team has played in snow since 1983. They might win their wild card round game because its on the fast track at U of P Stadium, but the second they have to hit the road its over. I would absolutely LOVE for them to come to the Meadowlands in January. I'm praying the Giants get that matchup...
Da Bears.... I can't believe they won last nite. They tried like hell to throw it away. They still got a chance to make the playoffs. It's a slim chance. GOOOO GIANTS.
QuoteDa Bears.... I can't believe they won last nite. They tried like hell to throw it away. They still got a chance to make the playoffs. It's a slim chance. GOOOO GIANTS.
This reminds me of last season when the Browns needed the Colts to beat the Titans to get in, but the Colts had their spot locked up so they rested their starters. Tennessee won and the Browns were on the bubble.
One might be quick to point to last season and say "Coughlin plays to win, he wont sit his starters, he didnt last year against the Pats when the Giants couldnt improve their playoff seeding", but its a completely different situation this year. Last year it was about building confidence and momentum heading into the playoffs. This is a different team and although I think all the starters who are not dinged up will see some action I doubt they play the entire game. Its important for the players to maintain their edge and rhythm, especially with the first round bye, but you dont want to take unnecessary risks either.
At this point I would expect Fred Robbins (shoulder, hands), Brandon Jacobs (knee), Aaron Ross (concussion), Justin Tuck (ankle, flu), Kevin Boss (ankle), and Barry Cofield to all sit out completely. Domenik Hixon may sit as well, Im not sure how extensive his ankle injury is. I'd expect Hixon and Ward to play perhaps a half, same for Eli.
QuoteQuoteDa Bears.... I can't believe they won last nite. They tried like hell to throw it away. They still got a chance to make the playoffs. It's a slim chance. GOOOO GIANTS.
This reminds me of last season when the Browns needed the Colts to beat the Titans to get in, but the Colts had their spot locked up so they rested their starters. Tennessee won and the Browns were on the bubble.
One might be quick to point to last season and say "Coughlin plays to win, he wont sit his starters, he didnt last year against the Pats when the Giants couldnt improve their playoff seeding", but its a completely different situation this year. Last year it was about building confidence and momentum heading into the playoffs. This is a different team and although I think all the starters who are not dinged up will see some action I doubt they play the entire game. Its important for the players to maintain their edge and rhythm, especially with the first round bye, but you dont want to take unnecessary risks either.
At this point I would expect Fred Robbins (shoulder, hands), Brandon Jacobs (knee), Aaron Ross (concussion), Justin Tuck (ankle, flu), Kevin Boss (ankle), and Barry Cofield to all sit out completely. Domenik Hixon may sit as well, Im not sure how extensive his ankle injury is. I'd expect Hixon and Ward to play perhaps a half, same for Eli.
I know it doesn't look good, I'm expecting Adrian Petterson to go NUTS and put the Bears on ice.
QuoteQuoteQuoteDa Bears.... I can't believe they won last nite. They tried like hell to throw it away. They still got a chance to make the playoffs. It's a slim chance. GOOOO GIANTS.
This reminds me of last season when the Browns needed the Colts to beat the Titans to get in, but the Colts had their spot locked up so they rested their starters. Tennessee won and the Browns were on the bubble.
One might be quick to point to last season and say "Coughlin plays to win, he wont sit his starters, he didnt last year against the Pats when the Giants couldnt improve their playoff seeding", but its a completely different situation this year. Last year it was about building confidence and momentum heading into the playoffs. This is a different team and although I think all the starters who are not dinged up will see some action I doubt they play the entire game. Its important for the players to maintain their edge and rhythm, especially with the first round bye, but you dont want to take unnecessary risks either.
At this point I would expect Fred Robbins (shoulder, hands), Brandon Jacobs (knee), Aaron Ross (concussion), Justin Tuck (ankle, flu), Kevin Boss (ankle), and Barry Cofield to all sit out completely. Domenik Hixon may sit as well, Im not sure how extensive his ankle injury is. I'd expect Hixon and Ward to play perhaps a half, same for Eli.
I know it doesn't look good, I'm expecting Adrian Petterson to go NUTS and put the Bears on ice.
He can go nuts all he wants, if he doesnt hold onto the ball it wont matter lol. Im holding out the slim hope that the Giants can eke out a win because, no offense, I'd much rather see Chicago in the playoffs than Minnesota.
Week 17...for some lucky fans (Giants, Titans, Steelers) today is a wash: playoff seedings are locked, first round byes are in place, and we have a stress free day of football ahead of us. Others are not so fortunate. The Eagles, Cowboys, Bears, Vikings, Dolphins, Jets, Patriots, Broncos, Chargers and others are still fighting for a spot.
Should be a fun day.
this IS a good day....MIA vs NY....chad v brett.....Tampa has to win and Dallas has to lose for a spot in the post season.....I don't think the Bucs deserve a spot in the playoffs :-/
All I wanted from Santa was a Pats loss and Jets win for my big present and a Vikings loss and a Bears' win for my little smaller present.
If I don't get these Santa, I will never believe in you again. >:(
everyone knows santa's a vikings fan.
I just got back from the Bengals game. It was nice to see a win but it was a bit depressing. The general attitude of the fans was pretty apathetic, which is to be expected.
I'll probably be back in here in a bit to talk mad shit about Brett Favre!
Hah, Dallas misses the playoffs after probably 75% of people picking them to get to the super bowl. I dont care what Jerry Jones says, Wade Phillips is gone. I cant believe how useless Roy Williams has been for them either. I think the biggest reason is they dont seem to throw to him much (which doesnt make sense), but either way, they really lost on that trade.
And hopefully Big Ben is ready for the playoffs in a couple weeks. Seeing that happen this week was almost unbelievable. Even if he cant, I think Leftwich is perfectly capable of running our offense. I dont think he has the ability to make plays like Roeth, but I think he would make less mistakes.
Go Dolphins!!!!!! ;D
QuoteHah, Dallas misses the playoffs after probably 75% of people picking them to get to the super bowl. I dont care what Jerry Jones says, Wade Phillips is gone. I cant believe how useless Roy Williams has been for them either. I think the biggest reason is they dont seem to throw to him much (which doesnt make sense), but either way, they really lost on that trade.
And hopefully Big Ben is ready for the playoffs in a couple weeks. Seeing that happen this week was almost unbelievable. Even if he cant, I think Leftwich is perfectly capable of running our offense. I dont think he has the ability to make plays like Roeth, but I think he would make less mistakes.
I think Jerry Jones is the one who failed them this year, and he knows it. What were his big moves this year? Bringing in Pacman Jones, Tank Johnson, and Roy Williams. Way to go!
I agree that Williams could've been used better, but I don't think it's so surprising that Dallas didn't make the playoffs, what's surprising to me is how much media attention this overrated, mediocre team gets.
QuoteHah, Dallas misses the playoffs after probably 75% of people picking them to get to the super bowl. I dont care what Jerry Jones says, Wade Phillips is gone. I cant believe how useless Roy Williams has been for them either. I think the biggest reason is they dont seem to throw to him much (which doesnt make sense), but either way, they really lost on that trade.
And hopefully Big Ben is ready for the playoffs in a couple weeks. Seeing that happen this week was almost unbelievable. Even if he cant, I think Leftwich is perfectly capable of running our offense. I dont think he has the ability to make plays like Roeth, but I think he would make less mistakes.
From all reports, Ben didn't suffer any further injuries, so it seems like he should be able to suit up in two weeks. Having Leftwhich as a backup is a better feeling than what most teams have, so I feel comfortable that even if Ben doesn't get the green light, the defense will stand strong and Leftwhich will do enough to get a victory in the second round.
Here's my Favre rant:
Let's recap shall we: so Favre makes the entire Green Bay organization look like villains because they wanted him to retire, which is what HE said he wanted to do. Then he waltzes in to NY after missing nearly all of the preseason, they throw Chad Pennington to the curb like yesterday's trash, not even trying to get anything for him in a trade. They just cut him and let him go to a divisional foe (ultimate sign of disrespect). And what happens? Jets don't make playoffs, Pennington's new team does, and Favre looks like the old, washed man who couldn't win a playoff game at home last year, only now he's even older and more washed up. Favre far and away lead the NFL in interceptions this year, as I believe I predicted he would in this very thread. And yet some of the media still defend him. I hope he continues to play until he's 55. At that point no one will pick him up and perhaps the media will get their heads out of their asses about this guy. I understand he may be in Canton someday but let's all hope we never see him on a football field again, unless only to further embarrass himself and tarnish his "legacy". Congratulations to Chad Pennington for making the Favre-sympathizers look like the idiots that they are.
Rant over. But here come some statistics:
Favre's QB rating this year was 81.0, which was 21st in the NFL. Pennington's was 97.4, second best in the NFL.
Favre threw 22 interceptions this season, most in the NFL. That is 4 more than the next highest players who both had around 100 more pass attempts than him.
Favre joins Gus Frerotte and Marc Bulger as the only QBs (with more than 8 starts (and Frerotte barely had 8)) to throw as many INTs as TDs this year. What company to keep!
Favre is the record-holder for most career INTs in NFL history, so this is NOT a new development in his game. The next highest person on the list is George Blanda who played in the NFL for 26 seasons had 26.970 attempted passes, Favre has 10,000 attempts after his 16th season.
Finally, in the last five games of this season, when the team he was supposed to be the savior of needed him most, he threw 2 TDs and 9 INTs with a QB rating of under 60, leading a first place team to a 1-4 finish, out of the playoffs.
I'm so happy Dallas got killed. There is no one in the NFL I hate more than Jerry Jones. Even though I would've like to see TB in the playoffs instead of Philly.
I know a lot of people are all over Farve and its understandable but at the same time that is a move that you make before the season. Nobody was talking about Pennington in a good way after last year. Farve gave the Jets identity and a chance to win. He didn't play well in the last month or so and he is old and probably should retire but a lot of Jets fans were excited about this move when the season started. Pennington just had something to prove with Miami, I don't know if he would've played that well with the Jets this year. Nobody knows that. I think it is a joke that Farve made the Probowl though.
Yeah, Favre making the probowl over Matt Ryan was a damn shame that nobody's talking about because everyone's head is up Favre's ass. Still! I don't get it. If you had asked me before the season began I would have told you any team in the league would be better off with Pennington than Favre. Just because Jets fans THOUGHT he could turn the team around doesn't make it okay for them to do what they did, it makes those people idiots who are apparently enamored by the persona of Brett Favre and don't realize somehow that he is an interception waiting to happen.
Since it's on the last page, I'm going to repost my OP:
QuoteLet's recap shall we: so Favre makes the entire Green Bay organization look like villains because they wanted him to retire, which is what HE said he wanted to do. Then he waltzes in to NY after missing nearly all of the preseason, they throw Chad Pennington to the curb like yesterday's trash, not even trying to get anything for him in a trade. They just cut him and let him go to a divisional foe (ultimate sign of disrespect). And what happens? Jets don't make playoffs, Pennington's new team does, and Favre looks like the old, washed man who couldn't win a playoff game at home last year, only now he's even older and more washed up. Favre far and away lead the NFL in interceptions this year, as I believe I predicted he would in this very thread. And yet some of the media still defend him. I hope he continues to play until he's 55. At that point no one will pick him up and perhaps the media will get their heads out of their asses about this guy. I understand he may be in Canton someday but let's all hope we never see him on a football field again, unless only to further embarrass himself and tarnish his "legacy". Congratulations to Chad Pennington for making the Favre-sympathizers look like the idiots that they are.
Rant over. But here come some statistics:
Favre's QB rating this year was 81.0, which was 21st in the NFL. Pennington's was 97.4, second best in the NFL.
Favre threw 22 interceptions this season, most in the NFL. That is 4 more than the next highest players who both had around 100 more pass attempts than him.
Favre joins Gus Frerotte and Marc Bulger as the only QBs (with more than 8 starts (and Frerotte barely had 8)) to throw as many INTs as TDs this year. What company to keep!
Favre is the record-holder for most career INTs in NFL history, so this is NOT a new development in his game. The next highest person on the list is George Blanda who played in the NFL for 26 seasons had 26.970 attempted passes, Favre has 10,000 attempts after his 16th season.
Finally, in the last five games of this season, when the team he was supposed to be the savior of needed him most, he threw 2 TDs and 9 INTs with a QB rating of under 60, leading a first place team to a 1-4 finish, out of the playoffs.
QuoteI'm so happy Dallas got killed. There is no one in the NFL I hate more than Jerry Jones. Even though I would've like to see TB in the playoffs instead of Philly.
I know a lot of people are all over Farve and its understandable but at the same time that is a move that you make before the season. Nobody was talking about Pennington in a good way after last year. Farve gave the Jets identity and a chance to win. He didn't play well in the last month or so and he is old and probably should retire but a lot of Jets fans were excited about this move when the season started. Pennington just had something to prove with Miami, I don't know if he would've played that well with the Jets this year. Nobody knows that. I think it is a joke that Farve made the Probowl though.
I've gotta say as a die hard Jets fan and secondary Bears fan, I must disagree. I have been a Favre basher in his early years as a result of being a Bears fan. However, his last 4 years have shown an increasing inability to reconcile what his eyes tell him on the field with his rapidly decreasing ability to deliver the ball where his mind tells him on time. I was flat against the trade from the beginning and predicted that the Jets would succeed somewhat in comaparison to last year DESPITE FAVRE!
Whereas many Favre backers pointed to his numbers last year, many game watchers will tell you that at least 8-10 of his balls were flat dropped by defenders who he threw it to and would have put him right back up there among the INT leaders.
As for Chad Pennington, those that watched him regularly knew his strengths and weaknesses. He still has the highest completion percentage of any NFL qb ever I believe with X number of attempts. His glaring weakness was his ability to bring a team back late in a game where the ball had to be moved quickly and yes that is directly correlated to his arm strength.
But put him on a team with a good running attack (TJ, LWashington, Faneca, Woody, Mangold) and a somewhat improved defensed (Jenkins in particular) and they too have a better record by at least 2 games with Pennington.
Thanks AMD and Bold
I needed to get this off my chest and get ^*&&(&ng Favre outta town as soon as possible. Leon Hess is turning in his grave and if Favre starts ^&&*ing crying again like he almost did yesterday and how he has 9x before at his multiple retirement press conferences, I will personally show up with a forged press pass and punch him in the ovaries and kick him in his vajajay!!! >:(
FWIW, I've heard several people (maybe on the NFL network) talking about how silly it was that Favre made it to the Pro Bowl this year.
I'll go ahead and say it. I like the Cowboys. I can't believe they choked so bad. I mean, BAD. Romo's obviously got some problems with December/play-off games. I can't help but wonder how he would have played if he were completely healthy in the last month and a half or so. Maybe he could have made up for the last couple of years. But as it stands, he went out and played when he probably wasn't ready and now he has more shitty stats to add to his past.
I also can't believe that they traded all of those draft picks for Williams. That's gonna bite them in the ass. Hard. It hasn't paid off yet and I doubt it will pay off next year.
I think they Bears are on the right track for next year. The switch of putting Hester at WR seems to be doing well. I can only think that he will improve in the off-season and be even better next year. Also, Orton played pretty banged-up for the last month and a half or so. He was having a pretty good season up until that point.
I'm interested to see how the Titans do in the playoffs. They proved that they could hang with the tough teams (Steelers) that people said that they couldn't beat all season. But they also lost to the Jets who went on a downhill slide after beating us. Haynesworth and Vanden Bosch should be healthy before their first playoff game, thank goodness.
QuoteQuoteI'm so happy Dallas got killed. There is no one in the NFL I hate more than Jerry Jones. Even though I would've like to see TB in the playoffs instead of Philly.
I know a lot of people are all over Farve and its understandable but at the same time that is a move that you make before the season. Nobody was talking about Pennington in a good way after last year. Farve gave the Jets identity and a chance to win. He didn't play well in the last month or so and he is old and probably should retire but a lot of Jets fans were excited about this move when the season started. Pennington just had something to prove with Miami, I don't know if he would've played that well with the Jets this year. Nobody knows that. I think it is a joke that Farve made the Probowl though.
Thanks AMD and Bold
I needed to get this off my chest and get ^*&&(&ng Favre outta town as soon as possible. Leon Hess is turning in his grave and if Favre starts ^&&*ing crying again like he almost did yesterday and how he has 9x before at his multiple retirement press conferences, I will personally show up with a forged press pass and punch him in the ovaries and kick him in his vajajay!!! >:(
No, thank you! I needed to get that off my chest as well, and your reply just made my day!
QuoteQuoteI'm so happy Dallas got killed. There is no one in the NFL I hate more than Jerry Jones. Even though I would've like to see TB in the playoffs instead of Philly.
I know a lot of people are all over Farve and its understandable but at the same time that is a move that you make before the season. Nobody was talking about Pennington in a good way after last year. Farve gave the Jets identity and a chance to win. He didn't play well in the last month or so and he is old and probably should retire but a lot of Jets fans were excited about this move when the season started. Pennington just had something to prove with Miami, I don't know if he would've played that well with the Jets this year. Nobody knows that. I think it is a joke that Farve made the Probowl though.
I've gotta say as a die hard Jets fan and secondary Bears fan, I must disagree. I have been a Favre basher in his early years as a result of being a Bears fan. However, his last 4 years have shown an increasing inability to reconcile what his eyes tell him on the field with his rapidly decreasing ability to deliver the ball where his mind tells him on time. I was flat against the trade from the beginning and predicted that the Jets would succeed somewhat in comaparison to last year DESPITE FAVRE!
Whereas many Favre backers pointed to his numbers last year, many game watchers will tell you that at least 8-10 of his balls were flat dropped by defenders who he threw it to and would have put him right back up there among the INT leaders.
As for Chad Pennington, those that watched him regularly knew his strengths and weaknesses. He still has the highest completion percentage of any NFL qb ever I believe with X number of attempts. His glaring weakness was his ability to bring a team back late in a game where the ball had to be moved quickly and yes that is directly correlated to his arm strength.
But put him on a team with a good running attack (TJ, LWashington, Faneca, Woody, Mangold) and a somewhat improved defensed (Jenkins in particular) and they too have a better record by at least 2 games with Pennington.
Thanks AMD and Bold
I needed to get this off my chest and get ^*&&(&ng Favre outta town as soon as possible. Leon Hess is turning in his grave and if Favre starts ^&&*ing crying again like he almost did yesterday and how he has 9x before at his multiple retirement press conferences, I will personally show up with a forged press pass and punch him in the ovaries and kick him in his vajajay!!! >:(
I'm no Jets fan, far from it but a lot of my friends are Jets fans and I'm just going on what they said before the season. Most of them loved this deal. NOBODY had a good thing to say about Pennington. Matter of fact there is no guarantee he would even have been the starting QB for the Jets. Clemens had a good chance as anyone to be the starter.
Its easy to say after the fact that Pennington would have been a better choice but as an organization you have a chance to bring in a HOF'er and a guy who is going to put people in the seats. Everyone knew that Farve was in decline but he still got them to the point in the season where they were a game ahead of the Pats and Miami after beating the Pats. At that point nobody was saying it was a bad choice. That is my only point. Anyone can play bad down the stretch, just as Dallas fans.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm so happy Dallas got killed. There is no one in the NFL I hate more than Jerry Jones. Even though I would've like to see TB in the playoffs instead of Philly.
I know a lot of people are all over Farve and its understandable but at the same time that is a move that you make before the season. Nobody was talking about Pennington in a good way after last year. Farve gave the Jets identity and a chance to win. He didn't play well in the last month or so and he is old and probably should retire but a lot of Jets fans were excited about this move when the season started. Pennington just had something to prove with Miami, I don't know if he would've played that well with the Jets this year. Nobody knows that. I think it is a joke that Farve made the Probowl though.
I've gotta say as a die hard Jets fan and secondary Bears fan, I must disagree. I have been a Favre basher in his early years as a result of being a Bears fan. However, his last 4 years have shown an increasing inability to reconcile what his eyes tell him on the field with his rapidly decreasing ability to deliver the ball where his mind tells him on time. I was flat against the trade from the beginning and predicted that the Jets would succeed somewhat in comaparison to last year DESPITE FAVRE!
Whereas many Favre backers pointed to his numbers last year, many game watchers will tell you that at least 8-10 of his balls were flat dropped by defenders who he threw it to and would have put him right back up there among the INT leaders.
As for Chad Pennington, those that watched him regularly knew his strengths and weaknesses. He still has the highest completion percentage of any NFL qb ever I believe with X number of attempts. His glaring weakness was his ability to bring a team back late in a game where the ball had to be moved quickly and yes that is directly correlated to his arm strength.
But put him on a team with a good running attack (TJ, LWashington, Faneca, Woody, Mangold) and a somewhat improved defensed (Jenkins in particular) and they too have a better record by at least 2 games with Pennington.
Thanks AMD and Bold
I needed to get this off my chest and get ^*&&(&ng Favre outta town as soon as possible. Leon Hess is turning in his grave and if Favre starts ^&&*ing crying again like he almost did yesterday and how he has 9x before at his multiple retirement press conferences, I will personally show up with a forged press pass and punch him in the ovaries and kick him in his vajajay!!! >:(
I'm no Jets fan, far from it but a lot of my friends are Jets fans and I'm just going on what they said before the season. Most of them loved this deal. NOBODY had a good thing to say about Pennington. Matter of fact there is no guarantee he would even have been the starting QB for the Jets. Clemens had a good chance as anyone to be the starter.
Its easy to say after the fact that Pennington would have been a better choice but as an organization you have a chance to bring in a HOF'er and a guy who is going to put people in the seats. Everyone knew that Farve was in decline but he still got them to the point in the season where they were a game ahead of the Pats and Miami after beating the Pats. At that point nobody was saying it was a bad choice. That is my only point. Anyone can play bad down the stretch, just as Dallas fans.
If they were looking for a side show, they got it. I was under the impression they wanted to go to the playoffs. And sure anyone can choke down the stretch, but when it happens to someone else they get called out for it. Not Favre though, I'm calling him out and so is Stephen A. Smith but we are way outnumbered. Not to mention that Favre is a potential HOF'er and completely disrupted the season of two organizations because he wanted to come back. The argument of "it could happen to anyone" just doesn't apply at that point. I've always thought that the new york media was way too hard on Pennington and that sports media was and is way too easy on Favre. If you and your friends can't see that, that's on you (and the media, I suppose). You asked who would have seen this coming and so far you've heard from two people who did see this coming including a Jets fan. Maybe your friends aren't the most knowledgeable fans in the world.
wondering what's going to happen w/romeo crenell today---i heard they are going to keep him on board but not as head coach.
i would like to see a whole browns shakeup---they should get rid of everyone who doesn't want to play for us (braylon, etc) i'd rather lose w/winners than win w/losers! what a season.
Well, another dissapointing Raiders season. Al Davis didn't make the trip to Tampa because of poor health...I'm not going to say it, 'cause it might come true, and I'd feel like a jerk...but we need an internal identity change, we need a major fucking overhaul, and there's only one way that's going to happen.
Quotewondering what's going to happen w/romeo crenell today---i heard they are going to keep him on board but not as head coach.
i would like to see a whole browns shakeup---they should get rid of everyone who doesn't want to play for us (braylon, etc) i'd rather lose w/winners than win w/losers! what a season.
Crennel is gone as of now.
As for keeping him on, I heard that too. Why would one take a demotion? What, maybe back to defensive coordinator? Not sure you can keep someone and hope to turn the page.
As for Bold, I understand that many Jets fans reactions were positive. However, there were many other fans, myself included, that couldn't believe we went for Favre and in my opinion, set our team back again.
Besides what I mentioned above with Pennington having trouble moving the ball quickly late in games and allowing D's to cheat short, Chad kind of lost the locker room more for his fragility than anything else. That I understood because it was frustrating watching him constantly being hurt. Having said that, a fully protected Pennington with a running game clearly was better than Favre this year. Hindsight for some, common sense to others.
QuoteWell, another dissapointing Raiders season. Al Davis didn't make the trip to Tampa because of poor health...I'm not going to say it, 'cause it might come true, and I'd feel like a jerk...but we need an internal identity change, we need a major fucking overhaul, and there's only one way that's going to happen.
I grew up in LA from 78-88, a wonderful time in LA sports. I loved Al Davis then (or at least Jim Plunkett, Marcus Allen, Todd Christensen and Howie Long), but now I sympathize with you and from a fans' perspective, would understand having such unspeakable thoughts. :P
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9000824/Jets-fire-Mangini-after-late-slide-to-miss-playoffs
You pay for what you get. He throws Pennington to the curb to get Favre who he then names his son after. I hope it was worth it.
EDIT: in other news:
Crennel and the Browns GM are both gone.
Lions coach fired, duh.
QuoteQuoteWell, another dissapointing Raiders season. Al Davis didn't make the trip to Tampa because of poor health...I'm not going to say it, 'cause it might come true, and I'd feel like a jerk...but we need an internal identity change, we need a major fucking overhaul, and there's only one way that's going to happen.
I grew up in LA from 78-88, a wonderful time in LA sports. I loved Al Davis then (or at least Jim Plunkett, Marcus Allen, Todd Christensen and Howie Long), but now I sympathize with you and from a fans' perspective, would understand having such unspeakable thoughts. :P
Yeah, the thing is, I've been yelling for him to, ahem, step aside, for A LONG TIME, but he might actually die soon, so I don't want to be spittin' on the man while he's on his way out...and I don't know his condition, he'll probably be up in the box for another 10 seasons with our luck, fuckin' Al Davis...and we do have him to thank for SO MUCH, for 3 Championships...but his leadership has lead us to the WORST SIX SEASON STRETCH IN NFL HISTORY! AND WE WERE IN THE FUCKIN' SUPER BOWL SEVEN SEASONS AGO!!! HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT HAPPEN?!?! IT'S BECAUSE OF INEPT, SEVERELY DATED MANAGEMENT!!!
Here's a good article on Al...I posted it in some other thread before, maybe even in this one, but fuck it. I think it's a great piece: http://www.oaklandish.org/TALES/davis/index.html
hmph. fuck. >:(
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm so happy Dallas got killed. There is no one in the NFL I hate more than Jerry Jones. Even though I would've like to see TB in the playoffs instead of Philly.
I know a lot of people are all over Farve and its understandable but at the same time that is a move that you make before the season. Nobody was talking about Pennington in a good way after last year. Farve gave the Jets identity and a chance to win. He didn't play well in the last month or so and he is old and probably should retire but a lot of Jets fans were excited about this move when the season started. Pennington just had something to prove with Miami, I don't know if he would've played that well with the Jets this year. Nobody knows that. I think it is a joke that Farve made the Probowl though.
I've gotta say as a die hard Jets fan and secondary Bears fan, I must disagree. I have been a Favre basher in his early years as a result of being a Bears fan. However, his last 4 years have shown an increasing inability to reconcile what his eyes tell him on the field with his rapidly decreasing ability to deliver the ball where his mind tells him on time. I was flat against the trade from the beginning and predicted that the Jets would succeed somewhat in comaparison to last year DESPITE FAVRE!
Whereas many Favre backers pointed to his numbers last year, many game watchers will tell you that at least 8-10 of his balls were flat dropped by defenders who he threw it to and would have put him right back up there among the INT leaders.
As for Chad Pennington, those that watched him regularly knew his strengths and weaknesses. He still has the highest completion percentage of any NFL qb ever I believe with X number of attempts. His glaring weakness was his ability to bring a team back late in a game where the ball had to be moved quickly and yes that is directly correlated to his arm strength.
But put him on a team with a good running attack (TJ, LWashington, Faneca, Woody, Mangold) and a somewhat improved defensed (Jenkins in particular) and they too have a better record by at least 2 games with Pennington.
Thanks AMD and Bold
I needed to get this off my chest and get ^*&&(&ng Favre outta town as soon as possible. Leon Hess is turning in his grave and if Favre starts ^&&*ing crying again like he almost did yesterday and how he has 9x before at his multiple retirement press conferences, I will personally show up with a forged press pass and punch him in the ovaries and kick him in his vajajay!!! >:(
I'm no Jets fan, far from it but a lot of my friends are Jets fans and I'm just going on what they said before the season. Most of them loved this deal. NOBODY had a good thing to say about Pennington. Matter of fact there is no guarantee he would even have been the starting QB for the Jets. Clemens had a good chance as anyone to be the starter.
Its easy to say after the fact that Pennington would have been a better choice but as an organization you have a chance to bring in a HOF'er and a guy who is going to put people in the seats. Everyone knew that Farve was in decline but he still got them to the point in the season where they were a game ahead of the Pats and Miami after beating the Pats. At that point nobody was saying it was a bad choice. That is my only point. Anyone can play bad down the stretch, just as Dallas fans.
If they were looking for a side show, they got it. I was under the impression they wanted to go to the playoffs. And sure anyone can choke down the stretch, but when it happens to someone else they get called out for it. Not Favre though, I'm calling him out and so is Stephen A. Smith but we are way outnumbered. Not to mention that Favre is a potential HOF'er and completely disrupted the season of two organizations because he wanted to come back. The argument of "it could happen to anyone" just doesn't apply at that point. I've always thought that the new york media was way too hard on Pennington and that sports media was and is way too easy on Favre. If you and your friends can't see that, that's on you (and the media, I suppose). You asked who would have seen this coming and so far you've heard from two people who did see this coming including a Jets fan. Maybe your friends aren't the most knowledgeable fans in the world.
I'm sorry but you sound like and "after the fact" guy. what would you be saying if he got you in the playoffs? I'm not disputing that the media is hard on other QB's and not on Farve. I'm a Giants fan...Eli took a beating while people were ready to appoint Romo king until last year. I said above that he should not have made the probowl. I think my friends are Jets fans plain and simple and they are not the only ones who liked this deal. You bought Farve in, it was going to be a side show either way. There was no indicating at all that Pennington was the guy this year based on his past few years. Like I said there was no guarantee he would've been the starter. Farve took his team to the NFC championship last year and went 13-3. Say what you want but he played well and got them there. As an organization stuff like that and putting people in the seats is always a factor especially when the guy has won a superbowl and is a first ballot HOF'er. I heard about 3 announcers make this same point yesterday. You can make arguements either way and maybe that was your opinion before the season but I don't anyone who said "yeah Pennington is def the way to go this year". If anything it was lets give Clemens a shot and nobody was that thrilled about that...and the Packers got what they wanted and where did it get them, no playoffs.
In other news, did y'all hear about Cadillac Williams' injury? You gotta feel bad for the guy. He was out all of last year and has only been back for the last 2-3 games or so and suffered an injury (in his OTHER knee) similar to the one that kept him out for so long. They're saying that this injury isn't as bad, but his status for next year is already unclear.
Mangini is out, Again the Jets must start over, I think this is the 11th coach I've seen since I really started following this hideous team, S...O...J
QuoteQuoteNo way Favre is on my top ten all-time list. Sure he can make remarkable plays but they are in between dumb decisions that lead to big interceptions. That is a reason he's only won one Super Bowl and that Green Bay didn't want him back. Remember the AFC Championship in Lambeau and the old man couldn't cut it? I seem to remember it ending with a dumb interception. I'm glad he's hearing the boo birds in NY! No man deserves that much ass kissed!
I'd have to think about my all-time list...
I don't remember Farve ever playing in the AFC until this year.
Farve is in my top 10 ever. I just love the way he plays the game and there is no denying how great a QB he was and the fact that he is still playing at this level is incredible. Not to mention being the toughest QB ever. Most QB's are lucky to win one Superbowl, just ask Dan Marino.
Bold:
Here's me hating on Favre in October and you defending him. Do you still feel like "his level of play is incredible"? Because I still feel the same way I did then. So who's the "after the fact guy" now? Ask anyone who knows me knows I've been saying Favre needs to retire consistently for the past 3 or 4 seasons.
I understand your other points, I'm just sick and tired of people defending Favre and have been for years. The reason I'm so outspoken about it now is because it's prime time to be outspoken because even Cris Collinsworth is
starting to say it's tie for Brett to hang em up.
And your hypothetical question is ridiculous. If I had wings I would fly, but I don't. Obviously I wouldn't be so outspoken if they did make the playoffs but the fact remains: they didn't and it has a lot to do with BRETT FAVRE. What would you be saying if they went 0-16: "well, it seemed like a good idea at the time"? ::)
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Thanks Tracy
That pic gets me every time! ;D
QuoteQuoteQuoteNo way Favre is on my top ten all-time list. Sure he can make remarkable plays but they are in between dumb decisions that lead to big interceptions. That is a reason he's only won one Super Bowl and that Green Bay didn't want him back. Remember the AFC Championship in Lambeau and the old man couldn't cut it? I seem to remember it ending with a dumb interception. I'm glad he's hearing the boo birds in NY! No man deserves that much ass kissed!
I'd have to think about my all-time list...
I don't remember Farve ever playing in the AFC until this year.
Farve is in my top 10 ever. I just love the way he plays the game and there is no denying how great a QB he was and the fact that he is still playing at this level is incredible. Not to mention being the toughest QB ever. Most QB's are lucky to win one Superbowl, just ask Dan Marino.
Bold:
Here's me hating on Favre in October and you defending him. Do you still feel like "his level of play is incredible"? Because I still feel the same way I did then. So who's the "after the fact guy" now? Ask anyone who knows me knows I've been saying Favre needs to retire consistently for the past 3 or 4 seasons.
I understand your other points, I'm just sick and tired of people defending Favre and have been for years. The reason I'm so outspoken about it now is because it's prime time to be outspoken because even Cris Collinsworth is starting to say it's tie for Brett to hang em up.
And your hypothetical question is ridiculous. If I had wings I would fly, but I don't. Obviously I wouldn't be so outspoken if they did make the playoffs but the fact remains: they didn't and it has a lot to do with BRETT FAVRE. What would you be saying if they went 0-16: "well, it seemed like a good idea at the time"? ::)
I stick by my statement above..you are taking it out of context. I said his level of play (going to the NFC championship and 13-3 at his age) was incredible. Sure now its easy to say the opposite. Where did Chad take the Jets last year? based on their play last year I don't think it was that hard a decision for the Jets management to make this move this year, that was my point. At mid-season a lot of people and the media were ready to put the Jets in the Superbowl so something had to be going right. They fell apart at the end and I wouldn't say it was all Farves fault. I'd say Mangini was as much to blame and I think that is why he got fired. Farve also is not 100% and I don't think he has been all year so I think he will retire.
How bout' my lions and our perfect season?
O wait, maybe next year?
Can't tell you how many times every lions fan has ever said that.
QuoteHow bout' my lions and our perfect season?
O wait, maybe next year?
Can't tell you how many times every lions fan has ever said that.
I'm sorry Chuckoo. I actually bet my buddy a couple of bucks that they'd win at least one of their last two games. :-[
With a sense of humor, one must think that it requires and extraordinary amount of front office ineptitude to accomplish such an stupendous feat. Mr. Ford and your underlings, you must be commended. Matt Millen - seppukku anyone?
Pretty surprised Skeletor, ahem, I mean Mike Shanahan got fired today...His team did have a meltdown over the last month, and got blown out with the playoffs on the line, but did anyone actually think DEN had a better than .500 team this year?? And a better team than SD?? I know I didnt.
It was Skeletor's decision to move up for Cutler, and so far I think that has looked like a great pick and he has really progressed and looks to have a bright future. I would have at least given the 2 time super bowl winning coach at least another year or 2 to see what he could do with Cutler.
I know 1 thing Im happy about though, I wont have to deal with Shanny and his RB committee carousel for Fantasy Football anymore ;D ;D ;D
I wonder where Cowher will end up? I'm glad he isn't going to Cleveland, although that would heat up the rivalry. I think there will be at least a couple more openings in the days to come.
QuoteI wonder where Cowher will end up? I'm glad he isn't going to Cleveland, although that would heat up the rivalry. I think there will be at least a couple more openings in the days to come.
Im sure the Jets will throw him money, and I know his 1 daughter goes to Princeton and I think the other one lives or goes to school somewhere in the NY/NJ/Mass area...
Plus, all NYJ really needs right now is a QB, and obviously Cowher did good most of his career with having Kordell, O'Donnell, and Maddox as his below average QBs on playoff caliber or better teams. TJones is getting up there in years, same with Coles, but they can be replaced over the next few years.
Jets wouldnt surprise me at all
I bet the Jets also go after Spagnola if they can't get Cowher. No way he stays with the Giants, too many openings out there. Gilbride already got contacted by the Raiders.
QuoteI bet the Jets also go after Spagnola if they can't get Cowher. No way he stays with the Giants, too many openings out there. Gilbride already got contacted by the Raiders.
I think it's either going to be Shanahan or Spagnola for the Jets, now that Cowher is out.
Hey TEO.... GO COLTS!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
OVERTIME....GO COLTS!!!!!
I didnt want to play Indy next week, so hopefully I dont eat my words on that since were going to play San Diego. Or San Diego most likely, because I cant see Miami beating the Ratbirds.
If that happens, Ill be even happier because well get Miami next week :)
And damn...this dude is like frickin Speedy Gonzalez on the football field. Im sure theres a dozen or so players in the NFL whose pure straightaway speed is faster, but Id put money down that no one is quicker or more agile than this mofo
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QuoteOVERTIME....GO COLTS!!!!!
Good game, bad results. Prob the first game all season I have watched in it's entirety since the intensity kept my interest. (spoiled from watching college ball)
Peter King said on SI.com that Favre is going to retire AGAIN... so I guess this will work out in the Jets favor since a new coach won't be putting up with him next year. After Thomas Jones and the other's were quoted about him this week he has to go. I'm not saying I said back in August that they shouldn't have traded for him, I was for it even though I always liked Chad...If not for Herm Chad would have gotten the Jets to the AFC champ. game with a torn shoulder!
I'm just glad I never got a # 4 Jets jersey like my fellow fans in section 317!
That said Go Ravens...I hate the Fish!
Baltimore's D looked sick as usual, but the offense was unimpressive - and Flacco wasnt pressured at all
Polamalu has some characteristics Ive never seen in a Safety or DB, but Ed Reed is the best ballhawk in the NFL....EVER [smiley=shocked.gif]
vikings ho!!!
sadly i have to work soon, so i'll only be able to (hopefully) enjoy the first quarter or so.
Pittsburgh vs. San Diego.
Who's got this?!?!?
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QuotePittsburgh vs. San Diego.
Who's got this?!?!?
=O
I don't see Pitts having a problems with SD. They have had a good few games but going into Pitts is a different story. Their D will pressure Rivers and force some turnovers.
I am pulling hard for the Titans this weekend. As a Steelers fan, I worry more about the chance of playing the Ravens again than the Titans.
Of course, a win this weekend is more important right now. I am 90% sure I'll be there, so I am pumped about that as well.
QuoteI am pulling hard for the Titans this weekend. As a Steelers fan, I worry more about the chance of playing the Ravens again than the Titans.
Of course, a win this weekend is more important right now. I am 90% sure I'll be there, so I am pumped about that as well.
I know the feeling. As a Giants fans I was pulling hard for Minn yesterday. Man they had so many chances. Down by 2 with the ball at the 50 twice, once with a 1st and 5 with the best RB in football. Now the Giants play Philly who to me are the Giants of last year. On a roll and hot. This is the worst possible matchup for the Giants. Phillys dink and dump offense fustrates the Giants D.
QuoteI am pulling hard for the Titans this weekend. As a Steelers fan, I worry more about the chance of playing the Ravens again than the Titans.
Of course, a win this weekend is more important right now. I am 90% sure I'll be there, so I am pumped about that as well.
I dont know man. As much as I dont want to play the Ratbirds a 3rd time - especially after beating them twice already which makes it even harder to beat them - I think Id rather play the Ratbirds.
If we play them, the AFC champ game is in da Burgh. If we play TEN, were playing down there. Id much rather play that game at home, not to mention I expect a TEN team and crowd - that outside of Collins has never been here - to be totally pumped for that game.
I think TEN offense is easily better than Balt, and we know we can limit their scoring. TEN certainly had more ease moving the ball against us than the Ratbirds.
Anything can happen with this year's playoffs. I do not see one team that I can confidently say will make it to the Super Bowl. I'd say the Cardinals and the Chargers are the least favorites, but other than them, I believe the rest all have an equal shot and it will come down to who has the best game(s).
QuoteQuoteI am pulling hard for the Titans this weekend. As a Steelers fan, I worry more about the chance of playing the Ravens again than the Titans.
Of course, a win this weekend is more important right now. I am 90% sure I'll be there, so I am pumped about that as well.
I dont know man. As much as I dont want to play the Ratbirds a 3rd time - especially after beating them twice already which makes it even harder to beat them - I think Id rather play the Ratbirds.
If we play them, the AFC champ game is in da Burgh. If we play TEN, were playing down there. Id much rather play that game at home, not to mention I expect a TEN team and crowd - that outside of Collins has never been here - to be totally pumped for that game.
I think TEN offense is easily better than Balt, and we know we can limit their scoring. TEN certainly had more ease moving the ball against us than the Ratbirds.
I actually prefer the Steelers playing road games given the past AFC Championship games at home. That was under Cowher when they lost all of those, but I think the Steelers play better on the road.
Totally true that TEN moved the ball far more easily, but I think given a second chance, Pittsburgh can go down there and win. TEN was the better team that game, but I'd like to see them try to do that twice to the Steelers in a month.
Give Baltimore a third chance, and I think that goes badly for Pittsburgh. But beating the Ravens three times in one season would certainly shut up my coworkers. I just get nervous about playing a team three times when the series wasn't split and could easily have been Ravens 2-0.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI am pulling hard for the Titans this weekend. As a Steelers fan, I worry more about the chance of playing the Ravens again than the Titans.
Of course, a win this weekend is more important right now. I am 90% sure I'll be there, so I am pumped about that as well.
I dont know man. As much as I dont want to play the Ratbirds a 3rd time - especially after beating them twice already which makes it even harder to beat them - I think Id rather play the Ratbirds.
If we play them, the AFC champ game is in da Burgh. If we play TEN, were playing down there. Id much rather play that game at home, not to mention I expect a TEN team and crowd - that outside of Collins has never been here - to be totally pumped for that game.
I think TEN offense is easily better than Balt, and we know we can limit their scoring. TEN certainly had more ease moving the ball against us than the Ratbirds.
I actually prefer the Steelers playing road games given the past AFC Championship games at home. That was under Cowher when they lost all of those, but I think the Steelers play better on the road.
You already made my answer right there with Cowher
Not to mention, none of those Cowher coached choker teams had a QB like Ben except the last one when Roeth was a rookie
James Harrison wins AP NFL Defensive MVP....congrats to Silverback. One of the leaders on the #1 D in the league, certainly deserving and finally getting the props he should be
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What do you mean the Patriots didn't make the playoffs?!?!?!?!?
QuoteJames Harrison wins AP NFL Defensive MVP....congrats to Silverback. One of the leaders on the #1 D in the league, certainly deserving and finally getting the props he should be
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Am I the only one who finds that kinda offensive?
Not that I'm some kind of PC cop, because I'm not! And not that I'm some sort of Steeler-sympathizer, because I'm not!
QuoteQuoteJames Harrison wins AP NFL Defensive MVP....congrats to Silverback. One of the leaders on the #1 D in the league, certainly deserving and finally getting the props he should be
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Am I the only one who finds that kinda offensive?
Not that I'm some kind of PC cop, because I'm not! And not that I'm some sort of Steeler-sympathizer, because I'm not!
His teammates gave him that nickname and he embraces it.
QuoteQuoteJames Harrison wins AP NFL Defensive MVP....congrats to Silverback. One of the leaders on the #1 D in the league, certainly deserving and finally getting the props he should be
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Am I the only one who finds that kinda offensive?
Not that I'm some kind of PC cop, because I'm not! And not that I'm some sort of Steeler-sympathizer, because I'm not!
I think if you think about it racially, its can be seen as offensive...But back when Myron Cope was still around, he called him Silverback, the current radio announcers use it, Stan Savran on Fox Sports Pittsburgh has used it. Teammates use the nickname...Ive seen numerous Silverback T-Shirts around as well
Its his official nickname and he's never said he doesnt like it, so...
Plus I enjoy saying it 8-)
And not only did he win it, but out of 50 votes
Harrison - 22
Ware - 13
Reed - 8
I think the other 7 were split between Polamalu and Haynesworth
I thought he deserved to win, but even I am surprised he won by that much [smiley=thumbup.gif]
Well Bold, the real Pennington showed up I guess ;)
Defensive player of the year is an absolute impossible award to vote for and NOBODY can possibly determine in any calculable or tangible way, who is the best defensive player and why.
I guess the easy way out is to pick the best player from the best defense.
I would have voted for Mark Gastineau 8-)
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Thanks for the Warner vid. From the Pickle archives, some more love for our playoff QBs.
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Vincent Jackson gets a DUI while on probation (for a prior DUI) and might be suspended for the game sunday [smiley=dankk2.gif]
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Outside the Lines is reporting PacMan Jones arranged a shooting in a strip club in 2007 when he was suspended.
Career. Over.
Maurice Clarett, the Sequel
Mangini is hired by the Browns!!! I SO hope we makes a ridiculous trade for Brett Favre and ruins another team for a few years! Especially since it's my hated Brownies! So what did fawning over an overrated Favre get him? Well he's gone from Man"genius" to Man"I've-got-to-move-to-Cleveland-now". ;D
I don't know how I feel about Marvin staying on with my Bengals. We'll see I guess. We actually have a good shot next year if we can keep Carson and the other 25 players who were on IR this year healthy.
RE: DeShawn Jackson. Reports I read said he will likely play. The wheels of justice turn slow in the NFL apparently. He'll probably be suspended for a few preseason games.
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RE: DeShawn Jackson. Reports I read said he will likely play. The wheels of justice turn slow in the NFL apparently. He'll probably be suspended for a few preseason games.
You mean Vincent Jackson??
Thats what Ive figured...Ive barely heard anything about it since the story broke on Tuesday. I didnt even hear them mention it on Mike & Mike yesterday
No biggie. They still looked good and beat Indy with him getting 1 catch I think. It certainly wouldnt hurt if he was suspended though
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RE: DeShawn Jackson. Reports I read said he will likely play. The wheels of justice turn slow in the NFL apparently. He'll probably be suspended for a few preseason games.
You mean Vincent Jackson??
Thats what Ive figured...Ive barely heard anything about it since the story broke on Tuesday. I didnt even hear them mention it on Mike & Mike yesterday
No biggie. They still looked good and beat Indy with him getting 1 catch I think. It certainly wouldnt hurt if he was suspended though
Right, Vincent. My bad. I don't understand how these guys get away with doing things that land you and I in prison and the NFL can't seem to summon the energy to slap their wrists. Goodell is suppose to be "cracking down"? Yeah, right! The Bengals haven't had anyone arrested in two years but it's doesn't seem to be as big of a deal as it was two years ago.
LET'S GO PANTHERS!!!!
Titans totally blew that game...3 turnovers in Ratbird territory, missed FG
Biggest things was the refs not calling that CLEAR delay of game...that clock was on 0 for like 1.4 seconds. Cant believe the refs blew that call.
Hopefully the Stillers win tomorrow, and if they do, Id rather play play the Ratbirds at home than TEN anyway
Delhomme may have just had the worst game for a QB on NFL history...and he was the #3 QB in playoff history before this game ;D ;D
Really cant believe ARZ beat them by 20 points, really 26 bc that last TD was just garbage. Even more surprising since ARZ lost all their east coast games this year and CAR was undefeated at home. Larry Fitz IMO is the best WR going right now, though Andre Johnson isnt far behind him I dont think.
Dont see them winning @ NYG, but if Philly wins tomorrow, I could see ARZ beating them @ home.
QuoteDelhomme may have just had the worst game for a QB on NFL history...and he was the #3 QB in playoff history before this game ;D ;D
Really cant believe ARZ beat them by 20 points, really 26 bc that last TD was just garbage. Even more surprising since ARZ lost all their east coast games this year and CAR was undefeated at home. Larry Fitz IMO is the best WR going right now, though Andre Johnson isnt far behind him I dont think.
Dont see them winning @ NYG, but if Philly wins tomorrow, I could see ARZ beating them @ home.
Do you remember me saying not to trust a team with Delhomme as QB? I'll stick to that statement. Lol.
Giants/Eagles should be a good game. Weather could be a huge factor.
QuoteQuoteDelhomme may have just had the worst game for a QB on NFL history...and he was the #3 QB in playoff history before this game ;D ;D
Really cant believe ARZ beat them by 20 points, really 26 bc that last TD was just garbage. Even more surprising since ARZ lost all their east coast games this year and CAR was undefeated at home. Larry Fitz IMO is the best WR going right now, though Andre Johnson isnt far behind him I dont think.
Dont see them winning @ NYG, but if Philly wins tomorrow, I could see ARZ beating them @ home.
Do you remember me saying not to trust a team with Delhomme as QB? I'll stick to that statement. Lol.
Giants/Eagles should be a good game. Weather could be a huge factor.
I will say ARZ D has looked better the last 2 weeks than it did all season, esp yesterday. They were all over Smith, and really did not leave many other guys open either. I think that was a big part of it, but all that means is Delhomme shouldnt have thrown those balls
Despite being down 2 scores or more early, I think they gave up on teh run way too early. That was the only shot they had, and they didnt really even use it once down 13-14. Dumb.
I think I wanna put $$$ on the GMen, but I dont know. I think this is going to be a tight game (4pts or less like the spread), and could go other way. I big TO for a TD or close to it could be the deciding factor.
I expect something like 20-17, 21-17, and think either team could win it. Most likely, whether its Westbrook or Jacobs/Ward. Whiever gets going wil probably win.
I think the Stillers will win, but if Roeth doesnt take care of the ball, going to be hard to win.
I think we contain Sproles for the most part (80-90 total yards not including returns), pressure Rivers fairly consistently (3-4 sacks), and force 2 turnovers.
I also expect Fast Willie to have a 100+ yard game
Big key as well is field position. Mike Scifres IMO is the best punter in the NFL and if you saw the Indy game, you know what Im saying. PIT not having 3&Outs will be huge, as will be limiting Sproles in their return game.
As long as Roeth limits his mistakes though and doesnt take too many sacks, we should win. Also, if he looks to be affected by the concussion in his 1st game back, I hope Tomlin has the balls to pull him and put Hefty Lefty in.
Well, shit. The Titans beat themselves with turnovers yesterday. Also, having Chris Johnson leave the game didn't help things either. We were in it to win it until he checked out with the injury. Who knows what would have happened if the refs actually called the delay of game like they should have. Maybe the Ravens would have brought in the other kicker who wasn't as solid as Stover since he's the long-distance guy. We'll never know... Oh, well.
So now I'm gonna root for the underdogs. Go Chargers! :D
[boo] Philip Rivers sucks camel dick [/boo]
well, so far we have seen the advantages of a first week bye and a home game...
ummmm :-/
can't believe 'zona is hosting the nfc championship.
anybody hear one big holiday in the pre-game for chargers-steelers? awesome.
YUCK YUCK YUCK. i hear the eagles chants down the streets already.
how about that qb kick by big ben? don't see that too often.
In the first two weeks of the playoffs, EVERY team I have been rooting for has lost. I'm 0-8 so far! >:(
You can watch Braveheat II on CBS at 6:30PM EST Sunday
the amount of money I lost on the Giants yesterday is ungodly. Looks like I will be eating strictly spaghetti for the next week :-/
It's getting crazy over here in B'more. Everything in the city is purple. I didn't live in this city last time they made it this far but I heard it's even crazier this time around. How are the Steelers feeling about this one? Captain, any other Pitt people? What's the vibe like over in the IC?
The only way I can read this game is that the Ravens just seem due to pull out a close game against the Steelers. Having said that, the Steelers definitely looked healthier and rested and while the San Diego run D was like a sieve (ran away from Jamal Williams a lot), Fast Willie actually looked almost...fast.
Ravens on the other hand got pretty banged up in that Titans game.
But really, the only thing I care about is that the Bears got Rod Marinelli and hopefully the Jets hire Rex Ryan. I'm sick of the Jets run D be pathetic and abused over and over again. Where are Gastineau, Klecko, and shit..I'll take Kyle Clifton right now!
Oh and Capt., Scifres punting exhibition against the Colts was unlike anything I'd ever seen before! Why he didn't get more pub is beyond me because without him, its a Colts/Steelers postseason rematch
QuoteEverything in the city is purple.
I saw some purple cupcakes at the Giant in Annapolis. Unfortunately the purple had blended with the black and the raven looks like roadkill.
QuoteCaptain, any other Pitt people?
QuoteQuoteCaptain, any other Pitt people?
So how are ya feelin' about this game True? Nervous the way Giants fans for for the Iggles or feeling good?
QuoteQuoteEverything in the city is purple.
I saw some purple cupcakes at the Giant in Annapolis. Unfortunately the purple had blended with the black and the raven looks like roadkill.
;DI'd still have eaten em'. Maybe it'll be on the price reduction, stale rack in a couple days. I'll pick em' up.
QuoteQuoteQuoteCaptain, any other Pitt people?
So how are ya feelin' about this game True? Nervous the way Giants fans for for the Iggles or feeling good?
I feel good about our chances. Steelers have been in this situation so much that they should be able to handle the pressure, even though we've had our issues with AFC Championship games.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCaptain, any other Pitt people?
So how are ya feelin' about this game True? Nervous the way Giants fans for for the Iggles or feeling good?
I feel good about our chances. Steelers have been in this situation so much that they should be able to handle the pressure, even though we've had our issues with AFC Championship games.
I was at the game Sunday and I am trying to make it back this weekend. The weather wasn't that bad, and it wasn't really cold once the game started and the fans were up and active.
I work in Columbia and the Ravens love is beyond annoying here in this area.
I want to throw up for thinking this way, but I see both six seeds making it in the game game. Having home games for the AFC championship has been a rough go - hopefully Tomlin snaps that this weekend.
Prove me wrong, Steelers, please, prove me wrong - I'd love a trip down to Tampa.
Quote How are the Steelers feeling about this one? Captain, any other Pitt people? What's the vibe like over in the IC?
Town is pumped...Steelers sports stuff all over the boob tube this week, with most everyone confident were going to win
I feel this same way. I think the home team before this season had won 90% of the PIT-BAL games over the last 6-7 years or so. Homefield will be huge.
Just like a said last week about FWP, I expect another nice game. Not 150 yards rushing nice, but 80-90 where we can consistently move the ball with the run.
BAL will be missing Samari Rolle, and IMO Suggs wont finish the game. If they do leave Suggs in, I cant see him being effective.
Flacco has 5 turnovers in 2 games vs. us this year, and Id expect 1-2 more. Leron McClain is banged up, not sure his game status, but you have to be healthy to run the ball on us.
My only concern is Polamalu. I think the only way the Ratbirds win (excluding numerous turnovers from PIT) is by moving it through the air. Troy hurt his hammy in the pregame warmups last week, and def wasnt 100% last week. He needs to be close to it, or I wouldnt be surprised if Flacco completes a long one. Im surprised a lot more has been made of BAL D's injuries than Polamalu's
I expect a more wide open game than the last 2.
Pittsburgh 23
Baltimore 10
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Congrats to the Cards. That was an awesome game!
I still can't believe the Cards are going to the Superbowl. At least its a good story and better than the Eagles going. I think Pitt is winning it though no doubt.
If Ward is still hurt next week I give the Cards a decent chance.
What an amazing game, I'm so pumped! Troy Polamalu is definitely the best safety in the league, over Ed Reed. Ed Reed had a few more INT's than Troy this season, but Troy had way more tackles.
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QuoteIf Ward is still hurt next week I give the Cards a decent chance.
Two weeks, not next week. Ward is going to play, no doubt about that.
They called it a slight MCL sprain on Ward, and Bouchette said hes likely to play in 2 weeks. MCL sprains arent too bad, I remember Adrian Peterson playing 2 weeks after 1 in 2007, and some of the Dr's said it would be a monthlong thing.
I fully expect Ward to be playing in SBXLIII...and I think its even more impressive we won it without him for 3+ quarters of the game, especially after his hot start. Holmes has been money the last month plus. All we need now is Sweed to hold onto the damn ball!!!! >:(
And I agree, I think Troy is the best safety in the NFL. No one is as good of an all around safety as him, and Id say he probably has the best instincts. Ed Reed is the best ballhawk and best in pass coverage, but doesnt touch Troy anywhere else. Guys like Bob Sanders and Brian Dawkins are great as run stopping safeties, but arent as good on passing downs, though Id say Dawkins is still probably the #2 all around safety in the NFL even at 36 or however old he is.
Larry Fitz scares the hell out of me. A pass first team like ARZ has the best chance to beat us, but them having an immobile QB like Warner is great for our D
Plus the game is in warm weather, which really helps ARZ's offense
Hopefully Coach T and LeBeau really focus on how to get to Warner and to best take away Fitz and Boldin's big play ability.....That, plus Whisenhunt not getting the HC job for the Steelers a couple of years ago and playing his former team, gives this a lot of intriguing storylines
QuoteQuote How are the Steelers feeling about this one? Captain, any other Pitt people? What's the vibe like over in the IC?
Town is pumped...Steelers sports stuff all over the boob tube this week, with most everyone confident were going to win
I feel this same way. I think the home team before this season had won 90% of the PIT-BAL games over the last 6-7 years or so. Homefield will be huge.
Just like a said last week about FWP, I expect another nice game. Not 150 yards rushing nice, but 80-90 where we can consistently move the ball with the run.
BAL will be missing Samari Rolle, and IMO Suggs wont finish the game. If they do leave Suggs in, I cant see him being effective.
Flacco has 5 turnovers in 2 games vs. us this year, and Id expect 1-2 more. Leron McClain is banged up, not sure his game status, but you have to be healthy to run the ball on us.
My only concern is Polamalu. I think the only way the Ratbirds win (excluding numerous turnovers from PIT) is by moving it through the air. Troy hurt his hammy in the pregame warmups last week, and def wasnt 100% last week. He needs to be close to it, or I wouldnt be surprised if Flacco completes a long one. Im surprised a lot more has been made of BAL D's injuries than Polamalu's
I expect a more wide open game than the last 2.
Pittsburgh 23
Baltimore 10
Pretty solid prediction. I think we saw why not much was made of Polamalu's injury in comparison to the horribly depleted Ravens secondary. Ivy and Oglesby were playing?!
Neither team could run, Roethlisberger made some plays although the huge play to Holmes easily could have been a pick 6 and Steelers fans would be deucing on Big Ben for chucking one up in the air. Instead, Holmes made a fantastic play and Ed Reed failed to press all the way to the sideline and force Holmes back inside where he may have had help. May have prevented a TD.
Either way, Polamalu made the play, the Raven playcalling was atrocious in the 1st half, and Steelers won the TO battle. Anytime you lose the TO battle 4-1 and are still in the game on the road...
Crazy game.
Go Cardinals
QuoteWhat an amazing game, I'm so pumped! Troy Polamalu is definitely the best safety in the league, over Ed Reed. Ed Reed had a few more INT's than Troy this season, but Troy had way more tackles.
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Rather simple, blanket statement. As I mentioned with defensive player of the year awards, it is so difficult to compare players in different schemes. The only position where it is easy to compare players is cornerbacks that play in Man/Press schemes.
I'm sure that most of us haven't watched safeties play every play in every game. I do place Reed and Polomalu above the rest. They both benefit from being allowed to freelance frequently. That said, Polomalu's instincts are second to none and his game winning play was amazing.
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Either way, Polamalu made the play, the Raven playcalling was atrocious in the 1st half, and Steelers won the TO battle. Anytime you lose the TO battle 4-1 and are still in the game on the road...
Our offensive playcalling was terrible for most of the game, but especially the 2nd half
I think we ran on 1st down every single series. And 90% of the time, between the tackles. Not 1 play action pass called
Stupid WR screens, end arounds to Washington, etc.
Worst play call of the was 1 of the last series for us, we have 3rd and 1, and Arians call a shotgun play with no one in the backfield. You gotta be shittin me.
Almost never happens when teams go this far, but I really hope our OC Bruce Arians is fired, hes worse than most NCAA OC's.
I love Tomlin though, hes just what this team needs
New guy here.
Too lazy to read the entire thread so I'll sum up my thoughts:
Arizona is an average team on a hot streak, and they'll get pummeled by Pittsburgh's defense.
But you guys already knew that. ;)
QuoteNew guy here.
Too lazy to read the entire thread so I'll sum up my thoughts:
Arizona is an average team on a hot streak, and they'll get pummeled by Pittsburgh's defense.
But you guys already knew that. ;)
people said the exact thing about the Giants last year; that's why they lace 'em up.
Man, I just don't know who to root for (with true's Pitt. ties and my ties with AZ) or even know if I have to root for anyone really. I just hope to see a good game! :)
I think I'm gonna pull for the Steel Curtain. They are my sentimental choice.
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QuoteQuoteNew guy here.
Too lazy to read the entire thread so I'll sum up my thoughts:
Arizona is an average team on a hot streak, and they'll get pummeled by Pittsburgh's defense.
But you guys already knew that. ;)
people said the exact thing about the Giants last year; that's why they lace 'em up.
Giants 07 >>>>>> Cards 08, though similar could probably be said about teh Patsies compared to us this year.
I by no means think we cant lose, but for them to win they need to have big games from Fitz and Boldin. I think our room for error is much more than theirs due to our defense.
Kurt's career issue of fumblitis and James Harrison arent a good combo for them either
That's Kurt Warner giving Harrison the Stink Eye
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QuoteThat's Kurt Warner giving Harrison the Stink Eye
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That little bird's got nothing on Harrison.
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QuoteQuoteThat's Kurt Warner giving Harrison the Stink Eye
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That little bird's got nothing on Harrison.
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Giants 07 >>>>>> Cards 08, though similar could probably be said about teh Patsies compared to us this year.
really? You think some would
probably think the 15-0 Patriots last year were better than this year's Steelers? I think that people could probably think that.
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Giants 07 >>>>>> Cards 08, though similar could probably be said about teh Patsies compared to us this year.
really? You think some would probably think the 15-0 Patriots last year were better than this year's Steelers? I think that people could probably think that.
probly
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Giants 07 >>>>>> Cards 08, though similar could probably be said about teh Patsies compared to us this year.
really? You think some would probably think the 15-0 Patriots last year were better than this year's Steelers? I think that people could probably think that.
probly
what about the 18-0 Patriots? ;)
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Giants 07 >>>>>> Cards 08, though similar could probably be said about teh Patsies compared to us this year.
really? You think some would probably think the 15-0 Patriots last year were better than this year's Steelers? I think that people could probably think that.
probly
what about the 18-0 Patriots? ;)
It don't mean shit if you don't win the Super Bowl. Why are we even discussing this.
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Giants 07 >>>>>> Cards 08, though similar could probably be said about teh Patsies compared to us this year.
really? You think some would probably think the 15-0 Patriots last year were better than this year's Steelers? I think that people could probably think that.
probly
what about the 18-0 Patriots? ;)
It don't mean shit if you don't win the Super Bowl. Why are we even discussing this.
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b/c we were talking about the days leading up to the Super Bowl. Read the thread.
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Giants 07 >>>>>> Cards 08, though similar could probably be said about teh Patsies compared to us this year.
really? You think some would probably think the 15-0 Patriots last year were better than this year's Steelers? I think that people could probably think that.
probly
what about the 18-0 Patriots? ;)
It don't mean shit if you don't win the Super Bowl. Why are we even discussing this.
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b/c we were talking about the days leading up to the Super Bowl. Read the thread.
:-/
I did read the thread. What I meant was we shouldn't be talking about the Patriots.
I love sports and all (I really do), but with the economy and war and health insurance and etc...
It's just a towel.
and it's just a game.
and that's not a real cardinal, that's some guy in a cardinal "outfit"
http://www.wpxi.com/video/18580458/index.html
Ads for the super bowl cost millions, and youre bringing up the economy because of a 1 minute excerpt on a Pittsburgh news channel 3 days before our team is playing in the superbowl?!?!!
And I dont think this will really affect players as much as it would have had they played Tennessee again after they disgraced the towel since it wasnt a player, but you just dont do that to the Terrible Towel that adorns the great Myron Cope's name. It never works out good, put your mortgage on Pittsburgh now.
QuoteAds for the super bowl cost millions, and youre bringing up the economy because of a 1 minute excerpt on a Pittsburgh news channel 3 days before our team is playing in the superbowl?!?!!
And I dont think this will really affect players as much as it would have had they played Tennessee again after they disgraced the towel since it wasnt a player, but you just dont do that to the Terrible Towel that adorns the great Myron Cope's name. It never works out good, put your mortgage on Pittsburgh now.
you really think the Steelers would dig a little deeper against someone who disgraced "a towel"? I mean think about it, you're getting amped up for the game, making millions of dollars, in front of millions of viewers, living out your life long dream... but then you find out someone stepped on our "towel"?!?!?!?! Well,
NOW it's on! :)
give me a break. That "extra incentive" stuff is nonsense.
it's a towel and that's a guy in a cardinal outfit
it's a spectacle!
Thats why I said I dont think really adds incentive, but in Tennessee's case since it was LenDale and Bullock stepping on it on national TV, it wouldve added some incentive.
QuoteThats why I said I dont think really adds incentive, but in Tennessee's case since it was LenDale and Bullock stepping on it on national TV, it wouldve added some incentive.
if you need added incentive to win a game to go to the Super Bowl, then you need to have your head examined.
All the former players I heard interviewed said that TV helps create all that extra drama, but the players know what it takes to get up for a game, and someone stepping on your "towel" isn't an added boost; it's made for TV drama. And all that talk about "bulletin board material" is TV hype to generate talk during the week to peak the fan's and media interest, to get butts in the seats, to sell beer and jerseys and "towels" for people to wave over their heads. Silly.
Don't you think the fact someone on the opposing team is trying to knock the shit out of you, and everyone else on your team, might be incentive enough to try as hard as you can?
Can you imagine James Harrison giving a pre-game pep talk if they had played the Titans, "Come on fellahs! I wasn't really up for this AFC championship game that will get us all that Super Bowl bonus money and a shot at more money if we win and the prestige and honor to be world champions and living a life long dream, but since they stepped on our 'towel' I feel we must elevate our play. They stepped on our "towel" man, let's go kick their asses!!". ;D
Believe the hype.
Great Super Bowl, one for the ages!
What an amazing game! A satisfying victory after what was a sloppily played Super Bowl XL.
A crazy night at the bar, I had to help break up a fight that my friend got in. This fucker punched three or four different people tonight and I had him pinned on the ground at one point. I'm a pacifist and didn't throw any punches though. Sorry a bit off topic. More thoughts on the game to come......
Truly an instant classic. Congratulations to you Steelers fans out there. What a game! As disappointed as I was with the result of the game, I'm really feeling for the few true diehard Cardinals fans out there.
Still can't believe no one could tackle Harrison >:(
great game! congrats capt! also happy to see former buckeye Santonio H do so well :-) as much as i dislike Ben R--he is an animal. he's just so BIG. not sure what would have made that game any better.
Quotegreat game! congrats capt! also happy to see former buckeye Santonio H do so well :-) as much as i dislike Ben R--he is an animal. he's just so BIG. not sure what would have made that game any better.
A Cardinals victory :'(
i was nervous beyond belief watching that game last night. today, i wear my steelers sweatshirt at work in an office full of ravens fans, and surprisingly, a hardcore cardinals fan. they have not been happy.
it was an awesome game. i recorded it last night and will watch it again this week for sure.
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My Top 10 Current QBs would be:
1 - Peyton Manning
2 - Ben Roethlisberger
3 - Tom Brady
4 - Drew Brees
5 - Donovan McNabb
6 - Tony Romo
7 - Carson Palmer
8 - Jay Cutler
9 - Philip Rivers
10 - Eli Manning
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Kiss the rings, bitch!!
Great first and last quarter for sure. The game was even better than The Boss' half-time gig, and he and his band were really entertaining. Even more entertaining was the cheap price of pints at the bar I was at last night.
sports guy is exceptionally funny this week LOL
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090202&sportCat=nfl
Roethliseberger had broken ribs during the Super Bowl
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3894263
Ben Roeth is so much harder than your team's QB
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My Top 10 Current QBs would be:
1 - Peyton Manning
2 - Ben Roethlisberger
3 - Tom Brady
4 - Drew Brees
5 - Donovan McNabb
6 - Tony Romo
7 - Carson Palmer
8 - Jay Cutler
9 - Philip Rivers
10 - Eli Manning
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Kiss the rings, bitch!!
Good work. I recall we had similar lists. ;)
I had been avoiding this thread because of the result of the Super Bowl.
I would like to congratulate Miami University and the Ohio State University as they were well represented in that game.
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My Top 10 Current QBs would be:
1 - Peyton Manning
2 - Ben Roethlisberger
3 - Tom Brady
4 - Drew Brees
5 - Donovan McNabb
6 - Tony Romo
7 - Carson Palmer
8 - Jay Cutler
9 - Philip Rivers
10 - Eli Manning
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Kiss the rings, bitch!!
Good work. I recall we had similar lists. ;)
I had been avoiding this thread because of the result of the Super Bowl.
I would like to congratulate Miami University and the Ohio State University as they were well represented in that game.
I think the only thing Id change with that list is move Rivers up a couple spots, but Id say through the whole season no one stepped up to get into the Top 10, outside of Warner.
Were there that many players from those schools in the game?? The only buckeye I can think of is Holmes. I dont think we have anyone from Miami, but Rolle and Edge are all I can think of for ARZ.
QuoteRoethliseberger had broken ribs during the Super Bowl
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3894263
Ben Roeth is so much harder than your team's QB
bump so everyone realizes the greatness that goes by Benjamin Roethlisberger
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My Top 10 Current QBs would be:
1 - Peyton Manning
2 - Ben Roethlisberger
3 - Tom Brady
4 - Drew Brees
5 - Donovan McNabb
6 - Tony Romo
7 - Carson Palmer
8 - Jay Cutler
9 - Philip Rivers
10 - Eli Manning
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Kiss the rings, bitch!!
Good work. I recall we had similar lists. ;)
I had been avoiding this thread because of the result of the Super Bowl.
I would like to congratulate Miami University and the Ohio State University as they were well represented in that game.
I think the only thing Id change with that list is move Rivers up a couple spots, but Id say through the whole season no one stepped up to get into the Top 10, outside of Warner.
Were there that many players from those schools in the game?? The only buckeye I can think of is Holmes. I dont think we have anyone from Miami, but Rolle and Edge are all I can think of for ARZ.
Miami University not University of Miami!!! My pops alma mater!
You know, that Big Ben guy that almost kills himself for your team!?! Super Bowl MVP from OSU so it was bittersweet for me (though mainly bitter)
Ahh, gotcha...most people usually say Miami of Ohio so you threw me off ;D
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1) Peyton Manning
2) Tom Brady
3) Ben Rothlisberger
4) Carson Palmer
5) Drew Brees
6) Phillip Rivers
7) Eli Manning
8) Aaron Rodgers
9) Donovan McNabb
10) Tony Romo
I still like my list.
Say it ain't so, Brett. I was hoping he could lead another team to a disappointing season and add to his career leading INT numbers, but it looks like the old man has had enough... again.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9206376/Sources:-Favre-informs-Jets-that-he%27s-retiring
My list
1. Bret Ratliff
2. Kyle Orton
3. Tom Brady
4. Peyton Manning
5. Drew Brees
6. Philip Rivers
7. Ben Roethlisberger
8. Kurt Warner
9. Tony Romo
10. Bubby Brister
QuoteMy list
1. Bret Ratliff
2. Kyle Orton
3. Tom Brady
4. Peyton Manning
5. Drew Brees
6. Philip Rivers
7. Ben Roethlisberger
8. Kurt Warner
9. Tony Romo
10. Bubby Brister
I cant even come up with somthing funny to say here
QuoteMy list
1. Bret Ratliff
2. Kyle Orton
3. Tom Brady
4. Peyton Manning
5. Drew Brees
6. Philip Rivers
7. Ben Roethlisberger
8. Kurt Warner
9. Tony Romo
10. Bubby Brister
I think you forgot Cleo Lemon.
QuoteQuoteMy list
1. Bret Ratliff
2. Kyle Orton
3. Tom Brady
4. Peyton Manning
5. Drew Brees
6. Philip Rivers
7. Ben Roethlisberger
8. Kurt Warner
9. Tony Romo
10. Bubby Brister
I think you forgot Cleo Lemon.
Yeah, Cleo is pretty money. Let me revise.
1. Babe Laufenberg
2. Bubby Brister
3. Dan Mcgwire
4. Uncle Rico
5. Cleo Lemon
6. Shane Falco
7. Kordell Stewart
8. Tom Tupa
9. Andre Ware
10.Jared Lorenzen
WTF is Bret Ratliff and Babe Laufenberg??
So BDR - are you a Ratbird fan or do you just live in DC/MD?? Ill definitely shed some tears if you lose T-Sizzle, Barf Scott, or the Murderer :'(
Not a Ravens fan. Live in B'more, not DC/MD. Like saying you live in Philly/PA. C'mon
Die hard Jets fan with the Bears a close second.
You can look up Babe Laufenberg.
Bret Ratliff is one of the Jets' three QBs along with Clemens and Ainge. He tore it up this past preseason and looked the best of the bunch. Hoping he gets a chance
QuoteNot a Ravens fan. Live in B'more, not DC/MD. Like saying you live in Philly/PA. C'mon
Sorry..DC isnt that far from Ballmore though is it?? And thats why I put DC (slash) MD bc I didnt think you lived in DC, but were in MD :P
Looks like the Saints released Deuce today.
QuoteLooks like the Saints released Deuce today.
end of an era today, he's knees jst aren't what they used to be.
I think the Saints need to get another RB in the draft, perhaps Knowshon Moreno or Chris Wells. We're picking 14th and need some sort of a DB, but Reggie Bush isn't an NFL caliber RB to go a whole year.
Deuce,
up,
side the head,
said Deuce up side the head
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QuoteQuoteLooks like the Saints released Deuce today.
end of an era today, he's knees jst aren't what they used to be.
I think the Saints need to get another RB in the draft, perhaps Knowshon Moreno or Chris Wells. We're picking 14th and need some sort of a DB, but Reggie Bush isn't an NFL caliber RB to go a whole year.
Deuce,
up,
side the head,
said Deuce up side the head
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Gotta go DB first though I guess Jenkins won't be around then. I don't know who you are losing but the Saints seem to be only a D player or two and scheme change away from a worst to first considering how the Panthers and Bucs are aging.
Not too much to ask right? ;)
I cant see the Saints drafting a RB in the first round, they have bigger holes to fill. RB is one of the easiest positions to get a starting caliber player out of the 3rd-5th rounds too, especially when youre looking for a guy to be more of a complement to Bush than someone more similar to him like Moreno.
QuoteI cant see the Saints drafting a RB in the first round, they have bigger holes to fill. RB is one of the easiest positions to get a starting caliber player out of the 3rd-5th rounds too, especially when youre looking for a guy to be more of a complement to Bush than someone more similar to him like Moreno.
The Saints will get a DB, but my point is Bush is not an NFL RB. Mcallister had more yards per carry on 2 bum knees and about 8 more years of beatings. Bush will be one of those Desmond Howard or Dante Hall guys who will star on special teams, but the Saints will not build a running attack around Reggie Bush. Moreno will run over your ass where Bush won't.
QuoteQuoteI cant see the Saints drafting a RB in the first round, they have bigger holes to fill. RB is one of the easiest positions to get a starting caliber player out of the 3rd-5th rounds too, especially when youre looking for a guy to be more of a complement to Bush than someone more similar to him like Moreno.
The Saints will get a DB, but my point is Bush is not an NFL RB. Mcallister had more yards per carry on 2 bum knees and about 8 more years of beatings. Bush will be one of those Desmond Howard or Dante Hall guys who will star on special teams, but the Saints will not build a running attack around Reggie Bush. Moreno will run over your ass where Bush won't.
Agreed hes not a 3 down back, but youre selling him short if youre comparing him to Howard or Hall. He was having a hell of a year last year before he got hurt - I would know since he was on my fantasy team and was a Top 5 RB before he got hurt. He probably wont ever average much over 4 YPC, if that, but he is lethal as a receiver whether he's lined up in the backfield or out wide
Bush is best utilized outside the tackles or catching passes out of the backfield. He's never been a between-the-tackles kinda guy. And yeah, he was having a pretty good year until he got injured. Damn shame.
Also, you guys are right. The Saints most DEFINITELY need a DB.
QuoteBush is best utilized outside the tackles or catching passes out of the backfield. He's never been a between-the-tackles kinda guy. And yeah, he was having a pretty good year until he got injured. Damn shame.
Also, you guys are right. The Saints most DEFINITELY need a DB.
I realize Bush is talented and all that, but my initial post was about the Saints losing their "running attack" not their "swing pass out of the backfield attack" or "quick toss attack". I think they are now in a position where they will have to find someone who can establish a "running game". Pierre Thomas had some nice flashes last year, and we all know Brees is the man and we are A-OK at QB, but as a Saints fan, I am now concerned with our "running attack".
I hear what you are saying, Tracy, Pierre Thomas is a similar back to Bush. You all need a bruiser, unless you're going to go to a full-time spread/run-and-gun offense. But I also think drafting a high profile back would be a waste of a pick and money. You can snag a good running back in later rounds or in free agency.
think about how many 3rd down backs there are... most unknown. So many good ones. Patrick Cobbs from Miami for example. I bet there are a ton of them just waiting to get their shot to be the go to guy.
QuoteI hear what you are saying, Tracy, Pierre Thomas is a similar back to Bush. You all need a bruiser, unless you're going to go to a full-time spread/run-and-gun offense. But I also think drafting a high profile back would be a waste of a pick and money. You can snag a good running back in later rounds or in free agency.
I'm not sure I agree that Pierre Thomas is a Bush type back. I'm biased as an Illini but he is capable of running between the tackles and as we have seen everywhere, a capable defense and passing game can make a very efficient running back by committee offense w/o big names so long as your main RB is not the aforementioned Reggie Bush.
Shit, look at what Mewelde Moore did in Pitt, or LaRon McClain and Ray Rice in B'more. I think that any decent back will be enough in the Saints' running game so long it isn't that high steppin' fool from USC.
QuoteQuoteI hear what you are saying, Tracy, Pierre Thomas is a similar back to Bush. You all need a bruiser, unless you're going to go to a full-time spread/run-and-gun offense. But I also think drafting a high profile back would be a waste of a pick and money. You can snag a good running back in later rounds or in free agency.
I'm not sure I agree that Pierre Thomas is a Bush type back. I'm biased as an Illini but he is capable of running between the tackles and as we have seen everywhere, a capable defense and passing game can make a very efficient running back by committee offense w/o big names so long as your main RB is not the aforementioned Reggie Bush.
Shit, look at what Mewelde Moore did in Pitt, or LaRon McClain and Ray Rice in B'more. I think that any decent back will be enough in the Saints' running game so long it isn't that high steppin' fool from USC.
I agree, I think Pierre Thomas is solid. Obviously you can upgrade, but I dont see using higher than a 4th round pick for a RB being beneficial to them.
I dont know NO's whole team too well because I didnt see them play much, but I think both safety and CB should be priorities. After that I would think they should go after an OLineman, probably an interior lineman. 3rd-5th round they should probably look at LB or maybe WR. Their LB depth is decent but getting old, and I dont think taking an OLB to complement Vilma would be a bad idea. What Ive seen of Meachem doesnt look like he's going to be what they expected, and Lance Moore and Henderson are possession and deep threats only, respectively, so I think it would be wise to find a good complement to Colston considering how big a factor their pass game is.
Ruckus, since youre an Illini, what are your thoughts on Mendenhall? I absolutely loved him his senior yr and pimped him the whole college season to my friends saying this is the best RB in the NCAA, thinking we would never draft him as well. I thought he started off shaky with us and seemed tentative at first, but I definitely thought he started to hit a stride after a preseason game where he had 2 fumbles and began to run more decisively and with more power. I have high hopes for him this year as long as we can improve our OLine a bit thru FA and the draft
If Peppers or Gross leaves (1 will be franchised), even bigger window for the Saints.
Obviously I was a big fan of Mendenhall from the time he was recruited. It took awhile for him to reach the hype that was given him out of high school, but he sure did.
The term prototypical NFL back is thrown around so much and I don't even know what it means and I think it is a doodoo term. That being said, Mendenhall seemed to fit that label (or what it means to mean) to a T. He had a great mix of all the things you look for with not one really standing out. Good speed, above average burst, lateral mobility, finishing leverage and vision and size. What surprised me was the 40 time he put up at the combine.
I'm high on him but shoot, how can you compare to what the rookie RB class already did. I figure he'll fit right in Pitt as long as he's mentally ready. I mean, to have your shoulder broken in your rookie season on a single pop from a linebacker is unheard of. As for his fumbleitis, i don't recall it being a problem in school but I'd have to look up the numbers. Can't be as bad as Adrian Peterson ;D
Ya got a good one and if your line can make Mewelde Moore look good, Mendenhall will be just fine.
QuoteIf Peppers or Gross leaves (1 will be franchised), even bigger window for the Saints.
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So you think they would try to sign one or you mean for NO to win the division?? I dont see how you could mean the former since they already have Jammal Brown, Will Smith, and Charles Grant.
QuoteQuoteIf Peppers or Gross leaves (1 will be franchised), even bigger window for the Saints.
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So you think they would try to sign one or you mean for NO to win the division?? I dont see how you could mean the former since they already have Jammal Brown, Will Smith, and Charles Grant.
Well I guess they signed Gross and franchised Peppers. Why would Peppers want a long term deal when he would be guaranteed at least 50 mill over 3 years to be franchised over and over when a long term deal wouldn't get him more than 25 or 30 guaranteed. Maybe I'm wrong after what the Raiders gave Asomoogashacka.
I just meant that the Saints aren't far and the Panthers may or may not repeat what they did last year so had they lost one, it would have been helpful to the Saints. No, not that they would attempt to get Peppers.
QuoteQuoteQuoteIf Peppers or Gross leaves (1 will be franchised), even bigger window for the Saints.
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So you think they would try to sign one or you mean for NO to win the division?? I dont see how you could mean the former since they already have Jammal Brown, Will Smith, and Charles Grant.
Well I guess they signed Gross and franchised Peppers. Why would Peppers want a long term deal when he would be guaranteed at least 50 mill over 3 years to be franchised over and over when a long term deal wouldn't get him more than 25 or 30 guaranteed. Maybe I'm wrong after what the Raiders gave Asomoogashacka.
I just meant that the Saints aren't far and the Panthers may or may not repeat what they did last year so had they lost one, it would have been helpful to the Saints. No, not that they would attempt to get Peppers.
That Tracy >:(
Why are we talking about the Saints?
BECAUSE THE PITTSBURGH STEELERS ARE THE SUPER BOWL CHAMPS
...and everyone is still in denial
Stu Scott says BOOYAH!!!
QuoteBECAUSE THE PITTSBURGH STEELERS ARE THE SUPER BOWL CHAMPS
...and everyone is still in denial
Stu Scott says BOOYAH!!!
::) Anyways, props to Mike Tomlin. Incredible with his age and lack of experience how he handled that team.
QuoteQuoteBECAUSE THE PITTSBURGH STEELERS ARE THE SUPER BOWL CHAMPS
...and everyone is still in denial
Stu Scott says BOOYAH!!!
::) Anyways, props to Mike Tomlin. Incredible with his age and lack of experience how he handled that team.
Well, once Brady went down and the Pats were disabled, the AFC became anyobodys, with no 1 real dominant team. Of course, you can't take away the Steelers 2 SB wins this decade, but they are no where close to the dynasty (not close) they were in the 70's. The Titans and Colts both had better teams this year, it just didn't pan out. When the Steel Curtain was around, there was no one better.
QuoteQuoteQuoteBECAUSE THE PITTSBURGH STEELERS ARE THE SUPER BOWL CHAMPS
...and everyone is still in denial
Stu Scott says BOOYAH!!!
::) Anyways, props to Mike Tomlin. Incredible with his age and lack of experience how he handled that team.
Well, once Brady went down and the Pats were disabled, the AFC became anyobodys, with no 1 real dominant team. Of course, you can't take away the Steelers 2 SB wins this decade, but they are no where close to the dynasty (not close) they were in the 70's. The Titans and Colts both had better teams this year, it just didn't pan out. When the Steel Curtain was around, there was no one better.
All kinds of local media for the 2nd half of the year, and fans, kept talking about how this team's defense stacks up to one's of the 70's and they basically ended on the fact well have to see what this team does in the playoffs before we annoint them in the same class.
Well, they won the superbowl, and though they ended up giving up the most yards they did all year and broke down in the 4th a bit, if it wasnt for how good they played the first 3 quarters, plus a game changing INT for a TD by the NFL Defensive MVP Harrison, and we arent winning that game.
You cant exactly compare because those old teams were a 4-3, but now that they won the SB most here think this D is as good as the old Steel Curtain's, and even veteran writers like Ed Bouchette, Mike Prisuta, and others who were around to see those teams agree.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBECAUSE THE PITTSBURGH STEELERS ARE THE SUPER BOWL CHAMPS
...and everyone is still in denial
Stu Scott says BOOYAH!!!
::) Anyways, props to Mike Tomlin. Incredible with his age and lack of experience how he handled that team.
Well, once Brady went down and the Pats were disabled, the AFC became anyobodys, with no 1 real dominant team. Of course, you can't take away the Steelers 2 SB wins this decade, but they are no where close to the dynasty (not close) they were in the 70's. The Titans and Colts both had better teams this year, it just didn't pan out. When the Steel Curtain was around, there was no one better.
All kinds of local media for the 2nd half of the year, and fans, kept talking about how this team's defense stacks up to one's of the 70's and they basically ended on the fact well have to see what this team does in the playoffs before we annoint them in the same class.
Well, they won the superbowl, and though they ended up giving up the most yards they did all year and broke down in the 4th a bit, if it wasnt for how good they played the first 3 quarters, plus a game changing INT for a TD by the NFL Defensive MVP Harrison, and we arent winning that game.
You cant exactly compare because those old teams were a 4-3, but now that they won the SB most here think this D is as good as the old Steel Curtain's, and even veteran writers like Ed Bouchette, Mike Prisuta, and others who were around to see those teams agree.
Bottom line? In the 70's the Steelers were the cream of the crop and they
knew it, and none of their fans would get excited, or celebrate, if an opposing QB went down in the first game of the season with an injury; they couldn't care less. Why? Because they knew they were the shit. Rooting for Tom Brady to get hurt, and to celebrate when he does, isn't something a confident (or classy) fan does. Pretty bush league, IMO.
Im pretty sure our D knows theyre the best and acted like it. The offense is what held this team back at any point this year.
And I wasnt rooting for Brady to get hurt, I just said that after it happened I wasnt sad or felt bad for NE
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteRooting for Tom Brady to get hurt, and to celebrate when he does, isn't something a confident (or classy) fan does. Pretty bush league, IMO.
Wait, who are you accusing of doing this? I don't remember headdy or any steeler fans "celebrating" when Brady went down. Doesn't mean I felt bad for him either. And what, I guess if it wasn't for Brady going down Patriots are automatically gonna win the Super Bowl. I guess we need an asterisk next to this team.
*Pittsburgh Steelers Super Bowl XLIII Champions
*=Tom Brady missed season due to injury
It would go nicely with your asterisk from the 70s*
*=the steel curtain was built with steroids.
QuoteIt would go nicely with your asterisk from the 70s*
*=the steel curtain was built with steroids.
show me the test results.
QuoteQuoteIt would go nicely with your asterisk from the 70s*
*=the steel curtain was built with steroids.
show me the test results.
That's a convenient argument. The truth hurts, true!
QuoteQuoteQuoteIt would go nicely with your asterisk from the 70s*
*=the steel curtain was built with steroids.
show me the test results.
That's a convenient argument. The truth hurts, true!
I wanted to end that as quickly as possible. ;D I'm glad that's over with. :)
QuoteId just like to mention also that Tom Brady tore his ACL on my birthday this year
The Lord works in mysterious ways..and Ive also heard hes a Steeler fan
:)
There you go true, just want to refresh your memory about headdy celebrating the fact Brady went down.
QuoteQuoteId just like to mention also that Tom Brady tore his ACL on my birthday this year
The Lord works in mysterious ways..and Ive also heard hes a Steeler fan
:)
There you go true, just want to refresh your memory about headdy celebrating the fact Brady went down.
It still doesn't say he celebrated because Brady was injured, just that it happened to be his birthday. He didn't say that he raised his glass in the air and said "Here's to Tom Brady getting knocked the fuck out!".
QuoteQuoteQuoteId just like to mention also that Tom Brady tore his ACL on my birthday this year
The Lord works in mysterious ways..and Ive also heard hes a Steeler fan
:)
There you go true, just want to refresh your memory about headdy celebrating the fact Brady went down.
It still doesn't say he celebrated because Brady was injured, just that it happened to be his birthday. He didn't say that he raised his glass in the air and said "Here's to Tom Brady getting knocked the fuck out!".
no, not at all. Mentioning that it happened on your birthday and saying that God made it happen, and that God is a Steelers fan b/c God tore Brady's ACL is totally lamenting the fact that it happened.
my bad (and by "my bad" I mean, get a clue).
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteId just like to mention also that Tom Brady tore his ACL on my birthday this year
The Lord works in mysterious ways..and Ive also heard hes a Steeler fan
:)
There you go true, just want to refresh your memory about headdy celebrating the fact Brady went down.
It still doesn't say he celebrated because Brady was injured, just that it happened to be his birthday. He didn't say that he raised his glass in the air and said "Here's to Tom Brady getting knocked the fuck out!".
no, not at all. Mentioning that it happened on your birthday and saying that God made it happen, and that God is a Steelers fan b/c God tore Brady's ACL is totally lamenting the fact that it happened.
my bad (and by "my bad" I mean, get a clue).
How does talking about it after the fact have anything to do with rooting for it or hoping it happens, which is what you initially stated I said? Ive never liked Brady and always found him smug, cocky, and more important than the team around him, so the fact that it happened on my birthday I found ironic. How is that wishing for an injury or wanting an easier path to the super bowl?!?!
Lets just say it was a present that I wouldnt have tried to bring back to the store.
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...And if you look back to posts in September about Brady getting injured, "coupon" seemed much happier and more into than me :)
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Lets just say it was a present that I wouldnt have tried to bring back to the store.
Saying that someone's physical pain is a "present" to you further proves my point. Have some class.
Karma is a bitch son, so don't act suprised when it comes back around to you.
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Lets just say it was a present that I wouldnt have tried to bring back to the store.
Saying that someone's physical pain is a "present" to you further proves my point. Have some class.
Karma is a bitch son, so don't act suprised when it comes back around to you.
why so serious?
Dallas just released Terrell Owens. Im quite surprised by this not only because its Dallas, but Roy Williams didnt do shit once he went to Dallas last year and they have no other even average WR's.
Theyll be lucky to win a playoff game next year, hell, maybe even make the playoffs.
I'm interested to see how it pans out. Williams will have had the off-season to work more with Romo and the team. Also, I don't think Crayton and Austin are all that bad. It'll be interesting to see how they do with the increased workload.
As in the last 14 years the Cowboys will NOT win a playoff game again this year.
QuoteI'm interested to see how it pans out. Williams will have had the off-season to work more with Romo and the team. Also, I don't think Crayton and Austin are all that bad. It'll be interesting to see how they do with the increased workload.
Crayton I guess is average, but Id say he's probably in the lower 10 of #2 WRs in the league, and Im pretty sure hes in his 30's.
Austin has proven absolutely nothing yet, same with that other WR whose name I cant think of.
Williams is one of the most talented WR's in the league, but he's inconsistent and didnt do anything with Dallas last year. Theyll really depend on him. Id watch for 2yr TE Martellus Bennett to step up and have a significant role as well. Id expect a lot of 2TE sets
I don't care if he's retired, anytime's a good time to talk about how overrated Brett Favre is:
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