Ok, I'm not going into backstory or anything, but I know people here watch it and this board needs a lost thread...Last night episode was top 3 of the whole series for me...fucking crazy. Discuss... 8-)
That was the fucking awesomest. After 3 seasons of being teased with answers and getting little bits, this show still can make the hair on the back of neck stand straight up, and jump right the hell out of my skin. That was just incredible. Charlie episode is next week the the 2hr season finale featuring Jack. Man I am pumped.
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Now we know who Ben and his group are, but who the hell are they?
QuoteThat was the fucking awesomest. After 3 seasons of being teased with answers and getting little bits, this show still can make the hair on the back of neck stand straight up, and jump right the hell out of my skin. That was just incredible. Charlie episode is next week the the 2hr season finale featuring Jack. Man I am pumped.
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Now we know who Ben and his group are, but who the hell are they?
Did you see Jacob in the rocking chair? When Ben is getting pushed against the wall there is certainly someone in the chair for like, 3 frames. Freaky shit!
QuoteQuoteThat was the fucking awesomest. After 3 seasons of being teased with answers and getting little bits, this show still can make the hair on the back of neck stand straight up, and jump right the hell out of my skin. That was just incredible. Charlie episode is next week the the 2hr season finale featuring Jack. Man I am pumped.
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Now we know who Ben and his group are, but who the hell are they?
Did you see Jacob in the rocking chair? When Ben is getting pushed against the wall there is certainly someone in the chair for like, 3 frames. Freaky shit!
That was freaking awesome. Dark UFO had still shots of Jacob. Seen that guy before. Not sure if from this show of from something else. oh and someone ain't dead.
Locke better not be dead!
i don't know what the hell is up with Ben's group, and that one guy who looked excactly the same when Ben was a kid.
Yeah, I don't think the natives age. It's really getting good. I'm just a little pissed that they are stretching two seasons worth of shows out over three years. The story line is finally starting to arc though so that's nice.
Everytime I see Desmond for a split second I think "Holy Crap, Eddie Vedder is on the Island!!!" then I'm like "no, it's just Desmond......BROTHA."
Your gonna die brotha. ;D
So is everyone actually dead except for a few (Ben, original darma people, the blond(?), etc.)? And that's why they don't age, they heal, can't have a good pregnancy, etc.?
I feel like I'm starting to get it but I'm still Lost.
QuoteYour gonna die brotha. ;D
Yes, that is how you spell it. Thanks.
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The creators have specifically said the island isn't heaven/hell/purgatory/afterlife of any sort/or someone's dream.
My malted milk ball and bong resin induced theory is that the island is the home of the Garden Of Eden and the Others are the part of that and smoky the monster is cerebus.....or this is the lost city/island of Atlantis.
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QuoteThe creators have specifically said the island isn't heaven/hell/purgatory/afterlife of any sort/or someone's dream.
My malted milk ball and bong resin induced theory is that the island is the home of the Garden Of Eden and the Others are the part of that and smoky the monster is cerebus.....or this is the lost city/island of Atlantis.
I thought of Atlantis myself, and I've never heard that theory anywhere else.. I don't think thats actually what it is, but good call.
I was thinking the Bermuda Triangle. That girl that crashed the helicopter had specific coordinates. There is that old pirate ship there, the old plane, etc. etc.
QuoteI was thinking the Bermuda Triangle. That girl that crashed the helicopter had specific coordinates. There is that old pirate ship there, the old plane, etc. etc.
Except the BT is in the Atantic and the Island is somewhere in the Pacific. Is there a Pacific version of the BT? That would certainly fit with the disapperances, the Black Rock, Echo's brothers plane, etc.
Of cource the Island could be the home of the Garden of Eden and somehow Atlantis formed there and their psychic energies created the BT. oh god I think my head just exploded...
QuoteEverytime I see Desmond for a split second I think "Holy Crap, Eddie Vedder is on the Island!!!" then I'm like "no, it's just Desmond......BROTHA."
this made me spew coffee all over my desk. thanks, brian. i am laughing and my coworkers are staring at me. ;D ;D
yeah... if locke is dead, i will be so pissed. he is my favourite. and i don't want charlie to die, either. ahhhhh.
who is jacob and why does he look like jason schwartzman? who founded the dharma intiative? is sun's baby gonna die? why can't hurley lose any weight? has anyone else noticed charlie has a tattoo of lyrics from strawberry fields forever?
i am so spoiled from watching LOST on dvd. whenever the new episodes are over. i am all "next disc!" but then i realize there is no disc, and man am i sad.
also, it must be said that kate is like, the hottest woman ever.
What I want to know is what happened to Bernard and Rose?
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also, it must be said that kate is like, the hottest woman ever.
In the beginning I thought Shannon was hot, but it turned out she was a real bitch so that was the end of that. Then I had a thing for Kate, but I decided Claire's accent was really sexy and she was my favorite.
It turns out I was wrong all along and those chics were just distracting me from the real special one. After three years, it has become obvious that Sun is by far the hottest woman on that island.
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QuoteQuoteEverytime I see Desmond for a split second I think "Holy Crap, Eddie Vedder is on the Island!!!" then I'm like "no, it's just Desmond......BROTHA."
who is jacob and why does he look like jason schwartzman?
That guy isn't Jacob. Jacob was the dude in the chair that you could only see for like, half a second. He kinda looks like locke with hair. Or Kris Kristopherson.
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great LOST website:
www.lostpedia.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd451PiCCJE
And slowed down...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=479HkrFTZiI
oh... snap! i did not even see that dude. ol' jacob better help out my man locke or i will be sad. very sad. locke is my favourite. his backtstory makes me sob like a five yeard old girl who had had her lisa frank trapper keeper stolen.
bh, you're right. sun is a hot mamma.
BUT... kate is hotter because she is a badass. she could make out with you then steal your wallet and then kick your ass after you accused her of stealing.
and... what happened to bernard and rose? isn't their story the sweetest? what 80's sitcom was the dude who played bernard on? i can't figure it out, and i need to.
Yeah, what did happen to Bernard and Rose? They must be locked up in their tent making up for LOST time. Meg, you bring up some good points, Kate IS SUPER HOT and thanks to the director who is giving us more and more cleavage shots. :-*
anna lucia was hot, but that bitch got shot.
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Wait, is this Jacob......
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QuoteWait, is this Jacob......
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joins the cast.
She should appear in that magic box and play herself on the show. THAT would be a good plot twist.
QuoteShe should appear in that magic box and play herself on the show. THAT would be a good plot twist.
or she could start seeing sonny on ski's in the jungle.
I'm nutso for LOST. Anyone who hasnt went back and rewatched season 1 or 2 on DVD should. So much stuff I picked up that I missed the first time around. The thing about Ben shooting Lock is that after he shot him and he fell in the mass grave, he then pointed the gun at Lock again threatening to shoot him if he didn't tell him what Jacob said. It appeared to be a mortal gunshot wound. Why threaten another gunshot? I dont think we have seen the last of Lock. I also heard we are gonna get three more seasons of 16 episodes each. The short seasons kinda blow, but atleast they aren't gonna drag it forever and the writers now have a time table to fit in everything they want to.
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what 80's sitcom was the dude who played bernard on?
Apparently several! Wow, he gets around.
Sam Anderson's TV work:
WKRP in Cincinnati - Played various characters
St. Elsewhere - Mr McGrath
T.J. Hooker - Leo Santee
Hill Street Blues - Kenny Sterling
Dallas - Inspector Frank Howard
Magnum, P.I. - Ray Jones
The Golden Girls - Mr Meyer
21 Jump Street
Growing Pains - Principal Willis Dewitt
Perfect Strangers - Mr Sam Gorpley
Star Trek: The Next Generation - Assistant Manager in the episode "The Royale"
Alien Nation - Thomas Edison in the episode "The Game"
Picket Fences - FBI Agent Donald Morrell
The Stand - Whitney Horgan
Millennium - Agent Jack Pierson
The X-Files - Leamus in the episode "The Pine Bluff Variant"
Friends - Dr. Harad
Ally McBeal - Mark Harrison
Angel - Holland Manners
ER - Dr. Jack Kayson
Married to the Kellys - Bill Kelly
Lost - Bernard
Nowhere Man - Memory man in "Through a Lens Darkly"
The scary thing is that all these people that haven't watched it because they feel like they fell behind are going to rent or buy all the dvd's at once and they'll end up calling into work that entire week, only getting off the couch to switch out dvd's. When they finally emerge from their house they'll be like..."Damn, That was some good shit, and who knew Eric Stoltz and Cher were going to end up playing key rolls!!" :o
I'm not looking at any posts because I haven't seen this weeks episode but I needed to post in here. Such an amazing amazing show.
LOSTIES!!
Fear Not, Rose/Benard will return.
Oh shit, Jacob does look like KK. Jacob is really Locke from the future. Remember the Island has special properties that can be found no where else and they are caught in some kind of time thingy.
this show exists to fuck with our heads I think
"What if C A T really spelled dog"... Ogre <---sorry, couldn't resist
oh and yes Meg. Kate is beyond hot.
Jacob is really Locke from the future.
WOW, that sounds right on. Good one.
GET DOWN BROWN!!!!!!
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what 80's sitcom was the dude who played bernard on?
Apparently several! Wow, he gets around.
Sam Anderson's TV work:
Perfect Strangers - Mr Sam Gorpley
that would be it.
is season 3 out on dvd yet? i want to hole myself up in my house and not answer any phone calls until i watch them all again.
future locke, eh? interesting.... :o
thank you, brian.
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I'm a Claire fan myself...
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what 80's sitcom was the dude who played bernard on?
Apparently several! Wow, he gets around.
Sam Anderson's TV work:
Perfect Strangers - Mr Sam Gorpley
that would be it.
is season 3 out on dvd yet? i want to hole myself up in my house and not answer any phone calls until i watch them all again.
future locke, eh? interesting.... :o
Season 3 is still going on.
there are several theories about who jacob really is.
some think that he is the mysterious Alvar Hanso, the person who started the Hanso Foundation, which in turn created the Dharma Initiative.
others (not the island "Others") think Jacob is the monster and that Ben is keeping him/it trapped in the shed (remember the ring of salt/gunpowder/substance around the shed?). however, this seems difficult to come up with b/c the monster obviously has been out around the island lately. if it is the monster and it is trapped then Ben recently trapped it. i think this theory is hard to buy.
even so...whatever or whomever Jacob is, it seems the Ben is keeping him/it captive, right? why else would he ask Locke to help him? also, the substance forming a ring around the shed is either to keep things out or to keep Jacob in!
thoughts??? seriously...check this out. some wild theories!
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Man_Behind_the_Curtain/Theories
Quotethere are several theories about who jacob really is.
some think that he is the mysterious Alvar Hanso, the person who started the Hanso Foundation, which in turn created the Dharma Initiative.
others (not the island "Others") think Jacob is the monster and that Ben is keeping him/it trapped in the shed (remember the ring of salt/gunpowder/substance around the shed?). however, this seems difficult to come up with b/c the monster obviously has been out around the island lately. if it is the monster and it is trapped then Ben recently trapped it. i think this theory is hard to buy.
even so...whatever or whomever Jacob is, it seems the Ben is keeping him/it captive, right? why else would he ask Locke to help him? also, the substance forming a ring around the shed is either to keep things out or to keep Jacob in!
thoughts??? seriously...check this out. some wild theories!
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Man_Behind_the_Curtain/Theories
"This be Demon Powder"---the immortal neil Carter
QuoteGET DOWN BROWN!!!!!!
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jesus, that second one made me almost soil myself. Man Dominic Monaghan is one lucky duck....
Just caught up with last weeks episode -- INCREDIBLE!!!
Locke will certainly not die, I pray. When he beat the shit out of eye patch bitch I was fist-pumping.
This show is so back, it's disgusting. It nearly lost (ha) me in the middle of season two and the beginning of three, but since they took that break after about six episodes of season three it's been on absolute fire.
so it looks like the losties and the others are gonna do battle this week!
yep. battle it is.
you can go to abc.com and see a clip of this week's new episode, which looks to be a bit on the INTENSE side.
also, kate looked pretty hot. ;D
Quoteyep. battle it is.
you can go to abc.com and see a clip of this week's new episode, which looks to be a bit on the INTENSE side.
also, kate looked pretty hot. ;D
but the question is....would you make out with her?
so any theories on what will happen tonight?
will Charlie really die as Desmond predicts?
will they actually do battle tonight or is just it going to lead up to a big fight for the 2 hr season finale next week??
is juliette really working with Jack or is she a double agent for Ben?
tonight is gonna be awesome!
Charlie is going down.
QuoteCharlie is going down.
On who? Claire? That's really going to spice things up! :o
Uh No. Hurly...duh
I really hope Charlie goes tonight. I'm a fan, but I love to see characters (not Locke, Sayid or Sawyer) die.
We all know Locke's not dead. Can't wait for tonight and next week.
QuoteI really hope Charlie goes tonight. I'm a fan, but I love to see characters (not Locke, Sayid or Sawyer) die.
We all know Locke's not dead. Can't wait for tonight and next week.
I don't love or hate Charlie, doesnt matter either way to me. I'm just not gonna buy that they are gonna kill him off. For the better part of half this season we've heard how he's gonna die. This isnt the writers/producers style for this show. I think we are gonna get thrown for a loop. Maybe Desmond??
P.S. You all everybody!!!
Since it has been "previewed" that Desmond thinks Charlies gonna die, he ain't gonna die. DAMMIT!!! Do not be shocked if this week is kind of a let down episode compared to most of this season. This will all be to set up next weeks 2 hour ep.
Yes Charlie dropping on Claire certainly would spice things up. And yes I think Meg would still make out with Kate.
FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKfuckty fuck fuck. Who, what, where, when huh DAMMIT!!!!
so thoughts?
seemed like last night was just a teaser for the finale!
i'm not sure that i trust Juliet...is she setting them up?
who were the chicks in "The Looking Glass" station???
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Yes Charlie dropping on Claire certainly would spice things up. And yes I think Meg would still make out with Kate.
Maybe I could get with Kate and Claire. You know?
Anyway.
I wish last night had more action, but... they're saving it for next week.
Although, it was funny when Charlie hit Desmond with that paddle.
"Sorry, brotha!" And when they showed his ring in Aaron's crib? :'( :'(
What time does that "secrets of lost" special come on tonite? they said it was after gray's anatomy, but i don't watch that show, so... yeah.
i think it comes on at 10
a coworker and i were talking about this earlier. here's his idea:
you know how the others haven't aged at all? maybe that's because they had to die to be "others." like, they're always the same age b/c that's when they died and were reborn as others. maybe that's why ben shot locke--b/c locke heard jacob, and therefore, must die to be a full "other."
pretty good theory.
i think that theory has been disproven on Lostpedia (not that that is the end all be all of the show!). if they are dead, then how can they have contact with the outside world (knowing Bush was re-elected, knowing the Red Sox won the Series, showing Juliet her sister with her baby on the day the plane crashed [where Richard was present...so if he was off the island and with someone we know is alive and having a baby, then he can't be dead, right?]).
not dead dead, but just... resurrected? like jesus, but with better sandals.
Yes, I thought something along those lines as well. When they flashed back to when Ben was a kid, they showed the guy in the woods that he befriended. I don't know his name.
This guy:
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And he looked exactly the same.
Ben came to the island as a living person and he does not heal, and he obviously ages.
Did not heal YET. You gotta admit that he's pretty damn mobile for a guy that just had a tumor cut out of his back within the last week or so.
Creators have said that they are not dead, pergortory, hell, or some other place like that. They could be f'n with us and they are really good at that.
I still stick with my theory it's where the Garden of Eden and/or Atlantis is.
I just had a thought today. Wonder why the "Others" dont have a big interest in Rose like they do Locke? Her terminal cancer apparently healed, so that would suggest she has a special connection with the island like Locke and she also knew that Bernard wasnt dead. It also appears she is in no hurry to get off the island like Locke. The more I think about this damn show the more questions I have!
QuoteI just had a thought today. Wonder why the "Others" dont have a big interest in Rose like they do Locke? Her terminal cancer apparently healed, so that would suggest she has a special connection with the island like Locke and she also knew that Bernard wasnt dead. It also appears she is in no hurry to get off the island like Locke. The more I think about this damn show the more questions I have!
Shit...Great point. I've yet to see anyone make mention of that. Unless the whole "you can walk, and cannot" speech by Ben was all smkoe and mirrors.
See, they are really good at fucking with us.
any thoughts on what's going to happen in the finale?
i've heard the surprise in the show is supposed to blow us away!!
so i just read that there will be a death on the season finale!
I gave up on Lost. It appeared to me that the writers were fumbling in the dark going "oh shit, we've got a hit, now what?" and that's just not good. The first season could have had a two hour ending that sewed it all up, and it would have been Twin Peaks good. Now, it's just a shell of its former self (IMHO)...the flashbacks used to be insightful glimpses into the characters, now they're just boring. And, I could care less about "the others" at this point and the whole "we're on another island!" subplot. Yawn.
gonna be a great episode tonight...the last 5 min. are supposed to blow our minds!
I can't wait!!!
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i second that!!!
Yeah, it's gonna be awesome.
Word is "the last 5 minutes will change everything". :-?
I'll be the first to let out the collective 'What the Fuck?", for the whole board. Will next season even be on the island?
R.I.P Charlie. :(
I'll second that what the fuck, Ghosts. I'm pretty much speechless, but it appears Jack's dad isnt dead(this deserves its own what the fuck).
So, it looks like at least half of next season will be off the island but they'll have two seasons left to find their way back.......and provide a happy ending for the series. That was insane.
I'm guessing it was Ben's funeral he went to, and Kate and Sawyer got together off the island?
QuoteI'll second that what the fuck, Ghosts. I'm pretty much speechless, but it appears Jack's dad isnt dead(this deserves its own what the fuck).
I was thinking that as well. I wonder who the "he" Kate was talking about is? And why Jack wants to go back so bad? I guess we wont know anything until at least Jan/Feb.
QuoteSo, it looks like at least half of next season will be off the island but they'll have two seasons left to find their way back.......and provide a happy ending for the series. That was insane.
I'm guessing it was Ben's funeral he went to, and Kate and Sawyer got together off the island?
I don't think it is Sawyer she is with. Just because she said "He". Who the fuck knows. I love this show.
Could have been Locke's funeral I guess. I'm guessing the "he" Kate refered to was Sawyer. I imagine Kate stayed with Sawyer but had an affair with Jack, so Sawyer doesn't want them anywhere near each other.
I had a funny feeling the whole time during Jack's flash forward because of the rather new cell phone he was using. I also found it odd that Jack said he was "sick of lying". Fuck why do we have to wait 'til fucking Jan./Feb. for the new season???
This show is as good as "V".
QuoteCould have been Locke's funeral I guess. I'm guessing the "he" Kate refered to was Sawyer. I imagine Kate stayed with Sawyer but had an affair with Jack, so Sawyer doesn't want them anywhere near each other.
I'm gonna go with Ben or Locke's funeral. Only because Jack realizes they were right and they needed to be on that island for whatever the hell reason. "Him" I'm guessing is Sawyer. Like your idea of an affair....
Sooooo, Penny didn't send the boat. Well who the hell is Naomi and is she a recon for Darma who is trying to take back the island from Ben and his merry band of minstrals or someother unnamed group? Fuck, now we have to wait until February to find out.
umm... who are the three pregnant chicks?
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why was future jack talking about his dad as if he were still alive?
why isn't kate in jail if she's back in the "real world?"
what's gonna happen when that boat gets to the island?
why did charlie have to die?
oh... and WALT? WTF????
My wife pointed out that Jack was pretty delusional, hence talking about his father as if he were still alive. The other doctor looked pretty perplexed when Christian was mentioned. Also, he said "Forget it!" or whatever when the pharmacist wanted to call his dad's office. So he'd probably still dead, but Jack's so fucked up that he thinks otherwise. At least, that's my wife's idea. Sounds pretty solid to me.
I saw Walt's name in the credits at the beginning and shit on myself just a little bit.
i think kate is preggers. but i still wanna know why she is not in jail.
yeah, jack was pretty ripped, so maybe that is why he kept talking about his dad. booze and pills will do it to you, that's for sure.
are we gonna get flash FORWARDS now instead of flashbacks?
and... seriously... WALT?
Quotei think kate is preggers. but i still wanna know why she is not in jail.
yeah, jack was pretty ripped, so maybe that is why he kept talking about his dad. booze and pills will do it to you, that's for sure.
are we gonna get flash FORWARDS now instead of flashbacks?
and... seriously... WALT?
We needs to know how far forward this flash forward was. Maybe Kate got a get out jail free card for being a crash victim along with the carte blanche to fly Oceanic.
Now is the same ghost Walt Shannon and Syid kept seeing or is this Jacob or some other force f'n with Locke to make him think it's Walt? I still do not think we have seen the end of Walt and Michael. Maybe the ship has something to do with them.
OH AND WTF DID BEN SAY?!?!?! Something about plans to go to the TEMPLE? What Temple???
DAMMIT I am not going to last until Feb.
BTW, my wife found this amazing theory that explains everything, EVERYTHING. It is way to long to post here. I will try to find the link. I read it twice and just sat there going, that has to be it. It made complete sense. Either this show has me way to confused, or I did to much of the stickiest of the icky back in school or it is dead on.
Anyone one interested in it, I can try to PM you if I cannot post the link.
Does anyone have any thoughts on the significance of the use of "Scentless Apprentice" while Jack was driving to the funeral?
Nirvana - Scentless Apprentice
Like most babies smell like butter
His smell smelled like no other
He was born scentless and senseless
He was born a scentless apprentice
Go away - get away, get a-way
Every wet nurse refused to feed him
Electrolytes smell like semen
I promise not to sell your perfumed secrets
There are countless formulas for pressing flowers
Go away - get away, get a-way
I lie in the soll and fertilize mushrooms
Leaking out gas fumes are made into perfume
You can't fire me because I quit!
Throw me in the fire and I won't throw a fit
Go away - get away, get away, get away, get away, get away, get a-way
Oh Yeah, Jack's Dad has got to be alive....the question is how/why....didn't Desmond have a premonition of being off the Island in an earlier episode.
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OH AND WTF DID BEN SAY?!?!?! Something about plans to go to the TEMPLE? What Temple???
i know.
TEMPLE?
and what was with juliet talking about their building a runway?
For the aliens?
I could be stretching but I think "Scentless Apprentice" is a clue to the fact that he was headed to Ben's funeral. Ben just seems like the person described in the song.
It also kind of describes Jack at that moment to though. "Throw me in the fire I won't throw a fit" "Get-Away" "You can't fire me because I quit" etc. etc. I've noticed the show making good use of song on many occasions.
when she said that i was like, "Oooohh. NOW i get it." but then it was revealed to be a joke (?) and i was confused again.
who are the other 2 pregnant chicks?
why did jack want to jump?
wasn't it badASS when hurley came out in that van and plowed through the others?
Quotewhen she said that i was like, "Oooohh. NOW i get it." but then it was revealed to be a joke (?) and i was confused again.
who are the other 2 pregnant chicks?
why did jack want to jump?
wasn't it badASS when hurley came out in that van and plowed through the others?
I'm not sure what gave you the impression there were three pregnant chicks. As far as I know it's just Sun and mabey Kate. They painted three tents but that was just for effect, there was no rhyme or reason to why they picked three it could have easily have been two or four. Then again I noticed that when they were leaving the beach there were like 30 characters with them that I've never seen before so mabey some of them are pregnant.
I'm guessing Jack wanted to jump because he feels like his life is crap compared to the Island, he was so important on the Island and it seemed like his life had a purpose. We all know Jack's problem is that he always has to be fixing something. He rescued the flaming car people, then he wanted to do the surgery himself. Remember how depressed Jack was in his marriage. I think he just needs to be in a crisis at all times. Mabey he's upset because they got rescued and he realized it's not going to make him happy, I'm sure it also has something to do with his Dad and Kate and Sawyer. He will end up with Kate though, you can bet your ass on that one.
;DHurly, that was the best thing since Rocky knocked out the Russian.
Quote;DHurly, that was the best thing since Rocky knocked out the Russian.
HA
BTW, the funeral home name Hoffs/Drawler, is an anagram for FLASH FORWARD
And promised, here is the link. Takes some hits from the Vics Vapor Rub lined Bong, this is mindboggling good. What if C-A-T spelled DOG good.
http://forums.buddytv.com/lost-theories/20125-best-theory-so-far-part-i.html
QuoteFor the aliens?
i think that was a joke b/w the producers, damon and carlton....if you listen to their podcasts they have joked about aliens before.
WHAT AN EPISODE. IMO, best of the series. Totally sweet mind-fuck at the end, wow. I cried for Charlie and I'm not even a fan.
Sawyer shooting that bastard Other - so badass. WALT!!! I was sure Locke was gonna kill Jack.
Wow wow wow.
Damn. I wish we didn't have to wait until February. I wonder who is on the boat.
Also, bearded Jack is hot. I never thought Jack was attractive before, but that beard just ups the ante. See, boys, facial hair is where it is at. Grow a beard. Ladies will love you.
I am glad Locke is not dead. He is my fave.
I completely forgot how awesome that was when Sayid busted that guys neck with his legs.
Bump.
Who is ready for the start of the new season? I just finnished rewatching last season on DVD. Its amazing what you realize you didnt pick up on the first time.
8 eps of glorious mindfuckiness. My wife reads spoilers and blogs and stuff and apparently after every ep, we will all be saying "oh fuck". I cannot wait
Yeah only having 8 episodes is kinda shitty MJ, but something is better than nothing. I'm really looking forward to the first episode b/c in seasons past they have always began the season with a Jack flashback(maybe another flash forward tho this time around). I stay away from the spoilers, but i wonder if with only 8 epi's if we are gonna get any answers or jusr 2000 more questions???
I let my wife read them and usually stick my fingers in my ears when she starts gabbin about stuff. Yeah 8 is better then nothing and I think you are correct, first ep will be a Jack centric one. I thought I saw somewhere that the creators of the show said the rest will be flash forwards and we will learn through them who everyone is and why Jack and Kate HAVE to go back. Man I cannot wait. This show is up there with Twin Peaks (if it hasn't surpassed it) on the WTF?!?!?!? factor.
I am sooooo excited, but soooo pissed that we only get 8 episodes vs. 16. Shit, it feels like last season when they split the season up. More mindfucking though, I can't wait!
And I am thrilled to see Michael and Walt back.....and Locke (my favorite character)!!!! Hopefully we will learn more about Jacob (and the talking smoke monster/security system).
Back when they had the interactive websites set up, there was a letter re: the military asking the search for Flight 815 to be called off. Hmmm, is that who is on the boat? Do they run smokey monster/security system? Ooooo so much to think about!
and MJ, I do the same thing as your wife! My husband looks to me to fill him in...Lostpedia, by chance?
She's on a few and I think Lostpedia is one of them. I'll have to ask her
its getting closer....
TONIGHT!!!
And it's 2 HOURS
I'm pretty pumped myself. MJ, I think the first hour is going to be one of those recap deals. I think I read that a couple of weeks ago. And, the ads for it are saying "2 hour event". Who cares though, LOST is back!!
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Kate, I miss you so.
Which also makes me think, Megalicious, I miss you so.
QuoteI'm pretty pumped myself. MJ, I think the first hour is going to be one of those recap deals. I think I read that a couple of weeks ago. And, the ads for it are saying "2 hour event". Who cares though, LOST is back!!
It won't. Last night they had "Through the looking glass" on with captions at the bottom explaining what was going on. It'll be a full 2 hour new show. I can't wait.
I seen reports that it's both. Not sure. Who Cares! IT'S ALMOST LOST TIME. USA Today gave it a great review.
Top three reasons ABC can suck a cock....
1. They advertised this as a two hour premiere and the first hour was bullshit.
2. When showing previews for the premiere they showed clips from next week's episode.
3. They split up two seasons worth of episodes into three seasons.
That's just for starters. They show is straight up AWESOME though.
Let's guess who the six are....
1. Jack
2. Kate
3. Hurly
4. Sawyer
5. Juliette
6. Ben
I guess we are really just guessing on the last three.
Loved it! Especially loved seeing Lance Reddick aka Daniels from The Wire (he was the 'representative from Oceanic' that visited Hurley in the nut house).
QuoteQuoteI'm pretty pumped myself. MJ, I think the first hour is going to be one of those recap deals. I think I read that a couple of weeks ago. And, the ads for it are saying "2 hour event". Who cares though, LOST is back!!
It won't. Last night they had "Through the looking glass" on with captions at the bottom explaining what was going on. It'll be a full 2 hour new show. I can't wait.
Guess I was wrong. This is going to be the best season yet though. I said that last year too though. I was right about that.
ANyone watch the Oceanic commercial that was on the show after?
QuoteANyone watch the Oceanic commercial that was on the show after?
No, but that is yet another reason ABC can suck a cock.
QuoteQuoteANyone watch the Oceanic commercial that was on the show after?
No, but that is yet another reason ABC can suck a cock.
Tell me about it. I bet it was in the last 5 minutes of the show.
QuoteQuoteQuoteANyone watch the Oceanic commercial that was on the show after?
No, but that is yet another reason ABC can suck a cock.
Tell me about it. I bet it was in the last 5 minutes of the show.
It was in the set of commercials at ~10:50
Basically it is shots of 2 different flight attendents announcing a contest to win a golden ticket. But during the commercial, another video keeps popping up. First it is like a tv going to snow. then the next time you can make out someones face and eventually they say "we found it". then you see footage that appears to be of an underwater plane wreckage. end.
they may be trying to launch another on-line virtual/parallel storyline to the tv show.
QuoteLoved it! Especially loved seeing Lance Reddick aka Daniels from The Wire (he was the 'representative from Oceanic' that visited Hurley in the nut house).
That dude was just stright up fucking creepy. His scene with Hurly gave me chills.
Plus the whole Jacob/Hurley/Locke scene at the house made me jump.
Did y'all notice that they have been running Oceanic commercials for a few weeks? I think I saw one about 2 weeks ago. I stopped it and rewound it just to make sure that's what I was seeing.
QuoteQuoteLoved it! Especially loved seeing Lance Reddick aka Daniels from The Wire (he was the 'representative from Oceanic' that visited Hurley in the nut house).
That dude was just stright up fucking creepy. His scene with Hurly gave me chills.
Plus the whole Jacob/Hurley/Locke scene at the house made me jump.
that was actually Christian Shephard, Jack's dad, in the chair and not Jacob (or an image of Christian)...watch again or go to www.lostpedia.com for a picture!!!
QuoteDid y'all notice that they have been running Oceanic commercials for a few weeks? I think I saw one about 2 weeks ago. I stopped it and rewound it just to make sure that's what I was seeing.
check out www.find815.com for an alternate reality game...
the end of the game i think will coincide with the beginning of next week's episode...
QuoteANyone watch the Oceanic commercial that was on the show after?
go to www.flyoceanicair.com
or
www.find815.com
this leads you to an alternate reality game...pretty cool!
OK I totally missed it being Jack's dad. I either need to put down the bong, or stop lining it with Vic's
QuoteTop three reasons ABC can suck a cock....
1. They advertised this as a two hour premiere and the first hour was bullshit.
2. When showing previews for the premiere they showed clips from next week's episode.
3. They split up two seasons worth of episodes into three seasons.
That's just for starters. They show is straight up AWESOME though.
Let's guess who the six are....
1. Jack
2. Kate
3. Hurly
4. Sawyer
5. Juliette
6. Ben
I guess we are really just guessing on the last three.
there are spoiler rumors (Dark UFO) in the internet world the remaining 3 of the 6 are:
4. Sun
5. Jin
6. Sayid
but there is also rumor that at least 1 more "losty" gets off the Island...
I believe I read someone that one more biggie is suppossed to die this season.
new episode tonight!!!
so any predictions on tonight's episode?
i think someones gonna die tonight its in my bones
I didn't think the first half was anything too special, but did it ever pick up steam. I really loved it. Next week's going to be great - we get to know who another one of the Oceanic 6 is!
jeeze of f'n pete. This show still fucks with your head. The wife and I were seriously freakin in spots.
QuoteI didn't think the first half was anything too special, but did it ever pick up steam. I really loved it. Next week's going to be great - we get to know who another one of the Oceanic 6 is!
its gonna be Sayid!!!
I'm bettting the person on the boat is Michael.
QuoteQuoteI didn't think the first half was anything too special, but did it ever pick up steam. I really loved it. Next week's going to be great - we get to know who another one of the Oceanic 6 is!
its gonna be Sayid!!!
agreed.
did anyone call the 800 number they gave for Oceanic Air?
it brings up a recorded message about the crash investigation!
so this needed a bump since its Lost day!!!
so...i think we are going to see a Sayid flash-forward episdoe tonight!
That would be nice. I'm gonna miss tonight (bummer) because I have a ticket to see Wax Fang and the Whigs however Wax Fang cancelled because of an accident (even bigger bummer) and I cannot get a refund (super big bummer). I'll have to Itunes it tomorrow.
QuoteThat would be nice. I'm gonna miss tonight (bummer) because I have a ticket to see Wax Fang and the Whigs however Wax Fang cancelled because of an accident (even bigger bummer) and I cannot get a refund (super big bummer). I'll have to Itunes it tomorrow.
oh no...what happened to Wax Fang?
are any of them hurt?
QuoteQuoteThat would be nice. I'm gonna miss tonight (bummer) because I have a ticket to see Wax Fang and the Whigs however Wax Fang cancelled because of an accident (even bigger bummer) and I cannot get a refund (super big bummer). I'll have to Itunes it tomorrow.
oh no...what happened to Wax Fang?
are any of them hurt?
Not seriously thankfully.
http://www.mymorningjacket.com/cgi-local/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1195002681/150#150
Tonight is going to be so f*cking badass!!!
oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god
That may have been one of the best episodes ever.
Quoteoh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god
That may have been one of the best episodes ever.
Oh my god oh my god oh my god.
We don't get to see thst episode till Sunday.
Can hardly wait.
QuoteQuoteoh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god
That may have been one of the best episodes ever.
Oh my god oh my god oh my god.
We don't get to see thst episode till Sunday.
Can hardly wait.
It was good.
Seriously, how much f'n weed do you need to smoke up to think this up? And where can I get some. Plausible, probably not likely to be the case, but certainly interesting.
http://timelooptheory.com/
I am so fucking lost. Sayid of all people working for Ben in the future. WTF!!!!!!!
QuoteSeriously, how much f'n weed do you need to smoke up to think this up? And where can I get some. Plausible, probably not likely to be the case, but certainly interesting.
http://timelooptheory.com/
i have had a similar theory like that for a while kind of like the time fold in event horizon, christian shepard, sun's father,penny's father all head up the real dharma somethin somethin somethin lost lost lost it helps if your "relaxed" it makes alot more sense
Quoteit helps if your "relaxed" it makes alot more sense
That helps the show make sense in general 8-)
What if uhh... C-A-T, really spelled dog?
QuoteQuoteit helps if your "relaxed" it makes alot more sense
That helps the show make sense in general 8-)
What if uhh... C-A-T, really spelled dog?
you just blew my mind.
wind is gravity?
i am really looking forward to tonite. i missed last week's episode, and feel like i am going to have NO idea what is going on... except that kate is hot.
Quotei am really looking forward to tonite. i missed last week's episode, and feel like i am going to have NO idea what is going on... except that kate is hot.
Hi Meg, welcome back! Yes, Kate is still hot.
Quotei am really looking forward to tonite. i missed last week's episode, and feel like i am going to have NO idea what is going on... except that kate is hot.
Is that really you? Good to hear from you! Balance is restored.
great episode!
so many new questions!
This was my least favorite of the season so far. I saw the Aaron thing coming so that wasn't much of a surprise at the end. Did anyone catch anything?
I'm intrigued as far as why Miles needs that exact amount. They made a point of repeating it a few times. Not to go into an Austin Powers tangent, but 3 million doesn't seem like a lot of money to ask for. Maybe it's just me.
Even the Losties drink wine from a box. Scary!!!
yeah, there is definitely something to that. And, the D.A. was pretty empatic about Kate not leaving the state, so I think there is something to that also. and for some reason jack does not want to see that baby. Remember Jack and Claire are half brother and sister. I wonder if he knows that yet?
QuoteRemember Jack and Claire are half brother and sister. I wonder if he knows that yet?
Shit I forgot that.
QuoteQuoteRemember Jack and Claire are half brother and sister. I wonder if he knows that yet?
Shit I forgot that.
Me too. I had to be reminded as well. I went to the link you posted last week to see if there was anything different and it says his theory was debunked. I wonder what happened in last night's espisode to debunk it.
Quote
Is that really you?
:-*
QuoteThis was my least favorite of the season so far. I saw the Aaron thing coming so that wasn't much of a surprise at the end. Did anyone catch anything?
it was interesting that Daniel (Farraday) exhibited some short-term memory loss when he and Charlotte were playing the card game (he also seemed to forget his name when he first met Jack and Kate).
and the Aaron thing was fairly predictable. Kate not leaving Cali seems to have something to do with either her being a huge flight risk OR the DA is working with the people who are trying to figure out what really happened on the Island (think Matthew Abbadon (sp?), who is the black guy who visited Hurley and set up the team to visit the Island).
an interesting factoid about Aaron. when Damon and Carlton originally pitched the show to ABC part of the the story involved Aaron (who then was Claire's unborn child). they have commented that Aaron is somehow attached to the Island's history and he is VERY important to the show and the Island.
QuoteQuoteThis was my least favorite of the season so far. I saw the Aaron thing coming so that wasn't much of a surprise at the end. Did anyone catch anything?
an interesting factoid about Aaron. when Damon and Carlton originally pitched the show to ABC part of the the story involved Aaron (who then was Claire's unborn child). they have commented that Aaron is somehow attached to the Island's history and he is VERY important to the show and the Island.
Interesting.
Also, my memory is a little spotty on this but there was that fortune teller guy that Claire saw and he freaked out when Claire was going to give the baby up for adoption. There was something about the baby being special. I was trying to tell my wife about it last night and I couldn't remember the exact details. But he is definitely important.
Quote
Interesting.
Also, my memory is a little spotty on this but there was that fortune teller guy that Claire saw and he freaked out when Claire was going to give the baby up for adoption. There was something about the baby being special. I was trying to tell my wife about it last night and I couldn't remember the exact details. But he is definitely important.
Yes sir. The scene where he has his vision freaked us out at the time.
QuoteQuote
Interesting.
Also, my memory is a little spotty on this but there was that fortune teller guy that Claire saw and he freaked out when Claire was going to give the baby up for adoption. There was something about the baby being special. I was trying to tell my wife about it last night and I couldn't remember the exact details. But he is definitely important.
Yes sir. The scene where he has his vision freaked us out at the time.
yeah..at first he says that Claire must raise the baby and not give him up for adoption. but then he recants and says that Claire must take the baby to LA for a "nice couple" there. so maybe he knew the plane was going to crash and that Aaron would be on the Island...
The box of wine was hilarious.
I'm glad you guys reminded me about Claire and Jack being half siblings and the whole fortune teller thing. I totally forgot about both of those things.
I need to carry around a boom box, and evertime something dramatic happens in my life, I will play that spooky violin sound that they do at the end of every episode. That would freak people out, eh?
QuoteThe box of wine was hilarious.
I'm glad you guys reminded me about Claire and Jack being half siblings and the whole fortune teller thing. I totally forgot about both of those things.
I need to carry around a boom box, and evertime something dramatic happens in my life, I will play that spooky violin sound that they do at the end of every episode. That would freak people out, eh?
for sure...but it would be awesome.
anyone think we'll see michael and the goings on the ship tonight?
Not sure if that will be tonight or the last 2 in March which would be ep 6 and 7.
Current schedule is Ep 7 will air 3/20 then they are takin 4 weeks off and coming back with ep 8 and running another 8 or so new episodes straight through.
Apparently ep 6 and 7 are DO NOT MISS shows. We are supposed to get major answers.
SOOOOO. What did everyone think? This show is crazy. We now know a huge piece of the show but have 50 more questions. That was probably one of my favorite episodes ever. Although I'm still not sure what happened. :D
Really gives some creedence to some sort of time travel/wrinkle in time theories. Did anyone catch the name of the original owner of the Diary from the Black Rock?! Highlighted in White not to spoil <Hanso> and the fact that no one has read it! Could this be the Rosetta Stone of Lost? Does the winner of the auction still have it in his position? This show has soooo many little things going on.
Edit- Could the thing that was bothering Des and the dude on the boat be the "sickness" that effected Roussou's crew when she first arrived on the island? Is this somehow tied in with how the Others and Darma bring the people in on the island?
That was my favourite episode of the entire series.
QuoteThat was my favourite episode of the entire series.
It was pretty badass.
QuoteReally gives some creedence to some sort of time travel/wrinkle in time theories. Did anyone catch the name of the original owner of the Diary from the Black Rock?! Highlighted in White not to spoil <Hanso> and the fact that no one has read it! Could this be the Rosetta Stone of Lost? Does the winner of the auction still have it in his position? This show has soooo many little things going on.
Edit- Could the thing that was bothering Des and the dude on the boat be the "sickness" that effected Roussou's crew when she first arrived on the island? Is this somehow tied in with how the Others and Darma bring the people in on the island?
Penny Widmore's dad won the diary! That guy is major! And I believe Penny saying that she knows about the island in the scene on the phone is due to whatever info is in that diary.
My mind was blown! I love the whole time travel plot! cannot wait for Juliet's episode next week. What are Daniel and Charlotte doing??? And Desmond is Daniel's constant, brillzzzzz.....
QuoteMy mind was blown! I love the whole time travel plot! cannot wait for Juliet's episode next week. What are Daniel and Charlotte doing??? And Desmond is Daniel's constant, brillzzzzz.....
I believe we get a new hatch/station.
Oh and do NOT forget the Others are still out there somewhere. Remember at the end of last season, Ben told them to make their way to the temple. I want to know what is the temple and how this all plays into it.
QuoteQuoteMy mind was blown! I love the whole time travel plot! cannot wait for Juliet's episode next week. What are Daniel and Charlotte doing??? And Desmond is Daniel's constant, brillzzzzz.....
I believe we get a new hatch/station.
Oh and do NOT forget the Others are still out there somewhere. Remember at the end of last season, Ben told them to make their way to the temple. I want to know what is the temple and how this all plays into it.
Yes, the rumored Orchid station...perhaps we will learn more about the electro-magnetic energy on the island. Daniel mentioned it twice when discussing "side-effects".
and i have been hungry for more info on the rest of the others. And Cindy...what was her real role? She was kidnapped, yet seems all too happy with the Others. and those kids....
so many questions!
QuoteQuoteQuoteThis was my least favorite of the season so far. I saw the Aaron thing coming so that wasn't much of a surprise at the end. Did anyone catch anything?
an interesting factoid about Aaron. when Damon and Carlton originally pitched the show to ABC part of the the story involved Aaron (who then was Claire's unborn child). they have commented that Aaron is somehow attached to the Island's history and he is VERY important to the show and the Island.
Interesting.
Also, my memory is a little spotty on this but there was that fortune teller guy that Claire saw and he freaked out when Claire was going to give the baby up for adoption. There was something about the baby being special. I was trying to tell my wife about it last night and I couldn't remember the exact details. But he is definitely important.
Richard Malkin, the "psychic", is also the father of the girl Charlotte, whom Eko was sent to investigate due to her being resurrected....
In that episode, he declares that he is a fraud (Malkin). However, Charlotte had a message from Yemi (his dead brother), which gives credit to her story. I am so wanting to find out more about this connection. Damn LOST...keeping me guessing for 4 seasons now!
check this out:
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Richard_Malkin
this season has been pretty badass.
i hear the next few episodes (6 and 7) give major clues.
they are also considering showing episode 8 in March instead of waiting until April when the post-writer's strike shows come back!
also...read somewhere we will find out another one of the "Oceanic 6" this season!
check this out...it reviews last week's episode with some great insights:
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20182393,00.html
Was last night's a snoozer or did i miss something? :-/
I think you missed a few things. The answer pieces started to fall into place last night. Granted it wasn't an action packed episode but the little things in it were great. Ben throughout the whole episode was awesome..."Oh I taped over the game" and Sawyer and Hurley's reaction at the end were great. I don't know whether to feel sorry for the guy or hate his guts.
I'm sure I'm holding it to too high of a standard after last week and I didn't hate but it just didn't do anything for me really. I didn't pick up on any answer pieces either. I'm sure some of it will fit together eventually but Penny's dad owning the freighter wasn't much of surprise and Juliette's backstory isn't too riveting. Although I do think Locke is starting to see that him and Ben are on the same team. At least that's what Ben wants him to think anyway.
QuoteI'm sure I'm holding it to too high of a standard after last week and I didn't hate but it just didn't do anything for me really. I didn't pick up on any answer pieces either. I'm sure some of it will fit together eventually but Penny's dad owning the freighter wasn't much of surprise and Juliette's backstory isn't too riveting. Although I do think Locke is starting to see that him and Ben are on the same team. At least that's what Ben wants him to think anyway.
Ben is a master manipulator. I just want to know who he really truly is. At least we saw one of the other "Others" so we know they are are still around lurking, waiting to hopefully spring into action. I did like Juliette's little line back to Jack about being an "Other".
Could Ben be going back in time to manipulate the future when he needs it?
QuoteCould Ben be going back in time to manipulate the future when he needs it?
That is an interesting idea. That might explain how on an island that cures your ills, he develops a spinal tumor.
QuoteQuoteCould Ben be going back in time to manipulate the future when he needs it?
That is an interesting idea. That might explain how on an island that cures your ills, he develops a spinal tumor.
i don't think this is going on. last week Desmond's consciousness was "unstuck" in time and he wasn't physically travelling through time. i don't think the writes will have Ben physically time travelling (but i could be wrong!).
this was by far the slowest episode of the seen, but did yield lots of clues and a few answers.
we now know (though we all assumed) that Charles Widmore is behind the freighter expedition, but why? its obvious that Penny doesn't know her Dad is financing an expedition for the island.
we also find out more about the depths Ben will go to to get what he wants.
here is a good recap:
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20182755,00.html
Well ya know how Desmond went back and changed the future so he could call Penny?
I think Ben has complete control of this phenomenom. That's how the Red Sox tape appeared in the safe. He manipulates things to make sure he remains king of the island.
He's has the "list" of people from the plane. Could he have actually made sure they were on that plane somehow in the past? Didn't it look like he was kind of smiling when he saw the plane crashing, like he knew it was coming.
Remember when Ben went and got Locke's dad somehow.
Hell, I don't know, I'm confusing myself just writing this.
And I'm all hopped up on Evil Urges track listings....
I guess it's obvious that Michael is on the boat...
jin and sun tonight!!!
its confirmed that Michael is Ben's man on the boat....
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20183737,00.html?xid=email-alert-lost-20080313-item1
Well.....I have to watch from the internet tomorrow since I'm on the road tonight :( I guessed about Michael the moment Ben said he had a man on the boat. Did my eyes decieve me, but in the preview was that Claire jumping from the boat?
wow...great episode, but so sad.... :'(
Quotewow...great episode, but so sad.... :'(
Oh my god! Want to ask but don't want to ask.
No. I won't look at this thread till after Sunday.
(We get the episodes a few days after the US)
I've given the show a lot of try's before this season and it always felt like a series spinning it's wheels with nowhere to go but this season has been great. And last night's episode has me coming back for more now. I love how the past, present, and future were all told at the same time during it.
Oh it was sad. And very unexpected.
So how many of the Oceanic Six do we know now?
Kate, Jack, Hurley, Saiyd & Sun.
That's it right?
QuoteOh it was sad. And very unexpected.
So how many of the Oceanic Six do we know now?
Kate, Jack, Hurley, Saiyd & Sun.
That's it right?
What about Clair's baby Aaron that somehow Kate has? I wasn't sure if that counted or not but I guess it should. Who knows? So confusing....
QuoteQuoteOh it was sad. And very unexpected.
So how many of the Oceanic Six do we know now?
Kate, Jack, Hurley, Saiyd & Sun.
That's it right?
What about Clair's baby Aaron that somehow Kate has? I wasn't sure if that counted or not but I guess it should. Who knows? So confusing....
Oh yes. I'd forgotten about him. So many threads to follow.
I love it though.
QuoteQuoteQuoteOh it was sad. And very unexpected.
So how many of the Oceanic Six do we know now?
Kate, Jack, Hurley, Saiyd & Sun.
That's it right?
What about Clair's baby Aaron that somehow Kate has? I wasn't sure if that counted or not but I guess it should. Who knows? So confusing....
Oh yes. I'd forgotten about him. So many threads to follow.
I love it though.
yeah...i'm not sure if Aaron counts as part of the Six or not. he was not a passenger on the manifest, but he would be considered a survivor of the plane crash (even though he was a fetus!).
so who is responsible for staging the Oceanic crash scene? the Capt. of the steamer indicated that Ben was responsible, but the note said "don't trust the captain." and the note was presumably written by Michael who is working for Ben...so its either Ben or Charles Widmore (Penny's dad/Desmond's nemesis) who staged the crash (or some unknown person!).
I still am not sure I believe that anyone staged the crash. :o
so we find out tonight where the h**l Michael/AKA Kevin Johnson has been for the past month (in Lost time)!
any ideas or guesses?
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20185253,00.html?xid=email-alert-lost-20080320-item1
Tomorrow night. The little Thursday night teaser commercials that ABC has been showing have me pumped for this. Gunfights, stand offs, Angry Jack, even Angrier BEN.
Apparently we are to learn tons more in the next few weeks including what happened to Michael after he left the Island and before he got back to NYC.
Also, the season finally is a 3 hour 2 parter. Part 1 is an hour, and the last episode is 2 hours.
Shit yeah. Thanks for the heads up. I forgot it was starting back up tomorrow.
I gotta do something around here since I'm staying out of the new album mess and other stuff going on in that section. sheesh. It's safer in the Other Music and Off Topic schtuff.
Plus it's Lost!!!!
I don't know when it's starting here. It's been cool the getting first part of the new series just a couple of days after you in the US. Made it easier for me to talk to you guys about it. They've just announced a 'catch up' weekend on 3rd & 4th May so we should get the next part soon after that. Can't wait ;D
tonight its back in the US!!!
the final 5 shows are supposed to kick major ass!!!
ahhhh... new episodes..
kate, i missed you!
This should hold you over until tonight....
(http://pibones.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/evangeline5.jpg)
(http://www.mathies.com/blog/evangeline_lilly1.jpg)
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uhhh uhhhh there's some holding goin on...wow :o
Give me 3 1/2 minutes, maybe even 4...
I think the middle one is going in the spank bank. :P
Greatest episode ever! Seriously, holy fuck!
EDIT: Ok as soon as I saw the opening part, this ran through my head.
(http://www.rockyhorror.com/images/pic_timewarp.gif)
That episode kicked major ass so does he control the smoke monster?
That would be my assumption by the timing, and the fact that he came back all greasy/dirty.
Ben is da MAN.
QuoteThat would be my assumption by the timing, and the fact that he came back all greasy/dirty.
Ben is da MAN.
yeah...he is pretty bada**
This is THE hottest picture I have ever seen in my life. oh my god!!!!!
(http://www.mathies.com/blog/evangeline_lilly1.jpg)
I wonder what this photo shoot was for? Anyone know?
(http://deadnancy.com/blog/images/evangeline_lilly.jpg)
I'll tell you in 2 minutes.
Tonight. Come on 9PM CT get here already!
good episode of foreshadowing...
i think it was kind of a "filler" episode to tell the future story and set up the finale and what's gonna happen next season!
and that ep was littered with Alice in Wonderland allusions!!!
thoughts...?
It was a strange/creepy episode, esp the part with Hurley in the hospital. Christian just spooks me also.
My wife noticed that when Jack was running about in his sheet (trust me she was really lookin) he didn't have a scar where the surgery was. Probably not an oversight as the Lost staff rarely misses the little things like that. The woman's name that Kate was talking to is Sawyer's baby's mama.
What the hell is going on?!?!?!
At least we saw Kate in a shirt and not much else. ooofff
Kate was half naked thru that entire episode. They must be finally listening to me. ::)
Why not wish for 3/4 or full nekkid Kate then?! ;)
besides that i thought it was a dull episode the whole thing with jack's surgey seemed unnecessary
Quotebesides that i thought it was a dull episode the whole thing with jack's surgey seemed unnecessary
i think you are wrong here. it is very significant.
everyone else who has come to the island has been healed (Locke can walk, Rose doesn't have cancer, Sun got pregnant), but Jack is the only person to have come to island and get sick. he got sick for a reason...what that is....only time will tell!
Is it possible that ever since the hatch blew up (stopped pushing the button) that this phenomenon has changed? In other words, time started up again, people can get hurt/die, the island was "found", etc.
I got "Lost" watching "Lost" like two season ago. Fuckin' yawn. They had a great show, and totally blew it with meaningless back stories, boring/whiny characters, and a never-ending need to try oh so hard to be "weird". Like the Xfiles, the show blew up in popularity, and the writers/producers got pressured to keep it coming...and in the process...
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Totally jumped the shark.
There was a bit of a lull in there awhile back, but man it's been great lately. IMO.
Did that phrase originate from the Fonz! Damn, you learn something new every day.
I think the show was definitely skating on thin ice for a while. The best thing they ever did was determine an end date. Now they can work toward the ending instead of just dragging it out forever.
I hate that saying "jump the shark". I think it's because I would hear it all of the time and think that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Then I found out where it came from and the Fonz is just a little before my time so it still didn't make sense. Luckily though, Lost, has not jumped the shark....yet.
I've absolutely hated Lost (most of season two, some of season three), but when it's good, it's almost untouchable. Last night was great and next week looks to be something real special.
I want to watch locke move the island. Don't tell him what he can't do.
There was a lull in the beginning of season 3, but evenm that didn't really bother me. These new ones are off the wall though...
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i cant believe there is only one more episode after this one, seems like a short season
Quotei cant believe there is only one more episode after this one, seems like a short season
Is was a short season. 13 or so episodes compared to 24. I think next season is 18 and the last is 17, but I could be wrong.
You are correct Sir Ghost. Creators only wanted about 100 episodes total.
QuoteYou are correct Sir Ghost. Creators only wanted about 100 episodes total.
I thought so but wasn't sure. These next two should be something.
Wow,
"Jesus is not a weapon" Words to live by.
When the "others" popped up I got some serious chills. Seeing Sawyer follow Jack into the woods was nice.
Great Episode....Tank Top + Kate bending over = Kate's Boobs!! Math = It's Universal. :)
Man this season has been so money
Have you guys had the last episode? I think it's called "No place like home part 2"
QuoteHave you guys had the last episode? I think it's called "No place like home part 2"
It's on tommorow night!
Yep, No Place Like Home 2 & 3. It's a 2 hour monster tomorrow.
Thanks. That's great. We get them a little after you. I thought I'd missed it [smiley=shocked.gif]
I almost forgot this was on tonight... time to change my plans! I didn't even know we had a LOST thread; I need to check the off topic more.
I'm pumped! They are showing the last episode with new footage before the finale tonight as well.
yeah....we get 3 hours of Lost tonight in the US!!!
man...i'm hoping for a mind bender like last year's finale's introduction of flash forwards!
i hear its coming....
Quoteman...i'm hoping for a mind bender like last year's finale's introduction of flash forwards!
Last year's finale found me watching it 2am (I recorded it on VHS you see) and subsequently fist-pumping and jumping on my couch. I'm hoping for something like that again.
Its fucking on like Donkey Kong
HOLY MOTHER OF PEARL!!!
I called it (to myself). Such a bad-ass episode.
Jack blasting "Gouge Away" - nice. 8-)
Now we have to wait until f'n January. So, did "he" have to move the island later, hence not being on the island?
Yes, anytime the Pixies are blasting is a good time.
where the fark did the island go? Did it sink under the sea?
Sadly, we'll have to wait until January. DAMMIT
Quotewhere the fark did the island go? Did it sink under the sea?
i think the island didn't move in space, but moved in time. here's why:
in the orientation video when "Edward Halliwax" was about to put the bunny in the "time machine" he started to say something to the effect of "the bunny may look like it disappears, but it...." then the tape cut off. he was going to see the bunny moved forward 10 seconds in time. i think the island moved forward in time, which is why it wouldn't be visible in the present (i can't explain the quantum mechanics of it, but just my thoughts). from the little i know about time travel theory it would be near impossible to move things in space AND time (not that time travel isn't impossible either, but we are talking theoretically).
also...check out www.octagonglobalrecruiting.com. (did you see the commerical before the last break??)
it is an official ABC/Lost alternate reality game to keep us busy this Summer/Fall.
I missed the commercial. Good theory, I agree with you after thinking it through a bit. Maybe we can turn the the listening party into a Listening Party/LOST theory party tomorrow... ;)
QuoteQuotewhere the fark did the island go? Did it sink under the sea?
i think the island didn't move in space, but moved in time. here's why:
in the orientation video when "Edward Halliwax" was about to put the bunny in the "time machine" he started to say something to the effect of "the bunny may look like it disappears, but it...." then the tape cut off. he was going to see the bunny moved forward 10 seconds in time. i think the island moved forward in time, which is why it wouldn't be visible in the present (i can't explain the quantum mechanics of it, but just my thoughts). from the little i know about time travel theory it would be near impossible to move things in space AND time (not that time travel isn't impossible either, but we are talking theoretically).
also...check out www.octagonglobalrecruiting.com. (did you see the commerical before the last break??)
it is an official ABC/Lost alternate reality game to keep us busy this Summer/Fall.
That's interesting. That's fucking interesting, man.
you gotta read www.lostpedia.com!
also read all of Doc Jensen's columns on Lost on www.ew.com. that guy is incredibly awesome! and he gets interviews with Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof (sp?), the producers of the show.
Great episode. A Little strange, but good.
QuoteGreat episode. A Little strange, but good.
one thing i wasn't a fan of were the CGI for the freighter explosion and what happened right after the island disappeared.
the CGI for the remnants of the freighter explosion and it sinking weren't up to par, in my opinion.
also...when the island disappeared it left the image that it had sank or a drop of water had hit the ocean. now...if the island moved in space then this would make sense that it would displace the water, but if it actually moved ahead in time, then would it have physically displaced the water? that is way over my head!
anybody around here got a degree in quantum mechanics and can answer that question?
January 21st! They are showing some new clips on the new commercial. Nothing major, but enough to get me excited!
Yep. Cannot wait. If I rememeber, no breaks in the season either.
I wonder how they are gonna find the island? And where (when) it went?
QuoteI wonder how they are gonna find the island? And where (when) it went?
I am not sure...but I am pretty sure that they will make it back by the end. Just a hunch.
But what is up with Claire? And Jack's dad? And Jacob? Spooky stuff. I hope they explain the living dead shit this season.
I am getting pretty excited and I don't think it starts until February. Am I right on that?
season premiere is January 21st.
I'm so excited!! :D
QuoteJanuary 21st! They are showing some new clips on the new commercial. Nothing major, but enough to get me excited!
They showed a decent preview tonight during Grey's Anatomy. It looks like Locke convinces Jack to go back and find the island and Hurley escapes the institution...gun in hand!
I love this show. And I am going to admit it right now -- Ben Linus is such an amazing character, and even though he's kind of a bad guy I might have a crush on him.
Only two months until the Lost analyzing begins!!
Thank God no breaks this time!!!
Lost -- new episode 2 minute preview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2kjlOG1yRo
I think that's the dad from My So Called Life! I am drooooooling waiting for this show to start up again. I can't believe I have class until 9 on Wednesdays... >:(
Wow...I wish I never watched that.. Now it's making it harder to wait.
QuoteLost -- new episode 2 minute preview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2kjlOG1yRo
I think that's the dad from My So Called Life! I am drooooooling waiting for this show to start up again. I can't believe I have class until 9 on Wednesdays... >:(
You're going to have to invest in some TiVo.
This will be the new count down after NYE! Cannot wait! They're going back to the island :D :o
QuoteQuoteLost -- new episode 2 minute preview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2kjlOG1yRo
I think that's the dad from My So Called Life! I am drooooooling waiting for this show to start up again. I can't believe I have class until 9 on Wednesdays... >:(
You're going to have to invest in some TiVo.
Tch. Seriously.
I miss this show. I have no idea what I'm going to do when it's finally off the air.
I know... I hope J.J. thinks up another awesome show.
QuoteI know... I hope J.J. thinks up another awesome show.
He has: Fringe.
Plus, his new take on the Star Trek franchise looks great - at least the trailer does.
QuoteWow...I wish I never watched that.. Now it's making it harder to wait.
Totally agree!!!
How is Fringe? I never saw an episode.
QuoteHow is Fringe? I never saw an episode.
I have a few saved on my PVR (personal video recorder), but so far the show is good. It hasn't hit its stride just yet, but it seems to be getting more and more interesting.
QuoteQuoteHow is Fringe? I never saw an episode.
I have a few saved on my PVR (personal video recorder), but so far the show is good. It hasn't hit its stride just yet, but it seems to be getting more and more interesting.
Does Fringe have a crazy-ass Ben Linus?
QuoteQuoteQuoteHow is Fringe? I never saw an episode.
I have a few saved on my PVR (personal video recorder), but so far the show is good. It hasn't hit its stride just yet, but it seems to be getting more and more interesting.
Does Fringe have a crazy-ass Ben Linus?
Nope. How could any show duplicate his evil genius, although T-Bag from Prison Break and Dr. Gaius Baltar or Six from Battlestar Galactica come close in the "so evil they're great" department.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHow is Fringe? I never saw an episode.
I have a few saved on my PVR (personal video recorder), but so far the show is good. It hasn't hit its stride just yet, but it seems to be getting more and more interesting.
Does Fringe have a crazy-ass Ben Linus?
Nope. How could any show duplicate his evil genius, although T-Bag from Prison Break and Dr. Gaius Baltar or Six from Battlestar Galactica come close in the "so evil they're great" department.
heh heh he said T Bag. Heh heh
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHow is Fringe? I never saw an episode.
I have a few saved on my PVR (personal video recorder), but so far the show is good. It hasn't hit its stride just yet, but it seems to be getting more and more interesting.
Does Fringe have a crazy-ass Ben Linus?
Nope. How could any show duplicate his evil genius, although T-Bag from Prison Break and Dr. Gaius Baltar or Six from Battlestar Galactica come close in the "so evil they're great" department.
heh heh he said T Bag. Heh heh
;D
I did indeed say T Bag, although there's nothing really too funny about his raping and murdering character.
QuoteI did indeed say T Bag, although there's nothing really too funny about his raping and murdering character.
In all seriousness what he does is not funny, but the name...
Pffffttbbb...T Bag.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHow is Fringe? I never saw an episode.
I have a few saved on my PVR (personal video recorder), but so far the show is good. It hasn't hit its stride just yet, but it seems to be getting more and more interesting.
Does Fringe have a crazy-ass Ben Linus?
Nope. How could any show duplicate his evil genius, although T-Bag from Prison Break and Dr. Gaius Baltar or Six from Battlestar Galactica come close in the "so evil they're great" department.
You're right. He's so evil that he's great. I've never been so fascinated by a character.
Except for maybe this guy:
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHow is Fringe? I never saw an episode.
I have a few saved on my PVR (personal video recorder), but so far the show is good. It hasn't hit its stride just yet, but it seems to be getting more and more interesting.
Does Fringe have a crazy-ass Ben Linus?
Nope. How could any show duplicate his evil genius, although T-Bag from Prison Break and Dr. Gaius Baltar or Six from Battlestar Galactica come close in the "so evil they're great" department.
You're right. He's so evil that he's great. I've never been so fascinated by a character.
Except for maybe this guy:
(http://www.nndb.com/people/787/000029700/richard-moll-crop.jpg)
I always wondered what Bull did when he wasn't working. I don't think I want to know.
This is the official Lost cast photo for Season 5:
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Here is the article. It talks about the two people missing from the picture.
http://www.tvsquad.com/2008/12/09/check-out-the-new-cast-photo-for-lost/
Great fucking oogly moogly, is there anyone better then Ben in the history of TV. I don't think many if any! Wife and I are watching Season 4 again getting ready for 5 to start up.
I just watched season 4 in about a day and a half (including both bonus discs).. It's so short.. January 21st will be the next thing I'll be counting down to after the New Years show.
The 21st... MINDS WILL BE BLOWN
Season 4 seemed to have more shirtless dudes and umm down the shirt cleavage on the ladies. Just sayin......
QuoteGreat fucking oogly moogly, is there anyone better then Ben in the history of TV. I don't think many if any! Wife and I are watching Season 4 again getting ready for 5 to start up.
Agreed. The way his character evolved...whew! And I still don't know if I love him or hate him!!
40 minutes in the Central Time zone folks. 40 minutes
I'm still in class...
I loved it. I'm glad the words Quantum Physics finally have been said on there, I've been saying that's what it was all about for a while. I dig the Everything happening all of the time deal...Reminds me of Dr. Manhattan in Watchmen.
Tonight was great, don't want to say anything more and risk spoiling anything!
QuoteTonight was great, don't want to say anything more and risk spoiling anything!
I may have done that...
I don't think Quantum Physics gives that much away! I almost typed worse!
That was fantastic. Nice return on some old faces to. With everything that is happening on the Island, maybe we will finally learn about the 4 toed statue we say a couple seasons ago?
Ok. I have "hidden" my rambling. Please highlight to read. DO NOT QUOTE as it will make the text visiable for those that have not seen, but I can't hold this one in.
highlight between the quotes.
"Follow me here. It might be the residual Guinness talking....
So we learned there was a wall surrounding the wheel of time room that was containing it's "power". I'm guessing they found a way to break through and did and THAT is the incident they keep mentioning in the training videos. The hatch was set up so they could safely release that power every 108 minutes, hence the heavy walls around the hatch and the strong magnetic nature of the place. That incident may also be why woman cannot carry to term any longer on the island if they became pregnant on the island. We see the Training video doctor's baby so I'm guessing he was born on the island. When Desmond blew the hatch up, that seriously messed with the time thing which explains why there were off by 108 minutes when Daniel did his little test with the boat last season.
I'm guessing Daniel is the reason why for all of this since he was on the island prior to the breaking through. Maybe he is bouncing through time trying to correct his mistake from the past? I'm guessing the cute little redhead was also an Island resident at some point in her life also.
Also, the compass that Richard gave Locke was seen before. When he came and tested Locke as a little kid, the compass was one of the items he laid out."
I freaking love THIS SHOW!!!!
Hurley threw a hot pocket at Ben!
Do any of you guys think the writers will be able to pull off more signature 'wow' moments in the remaining episodes of the show or do you think it will be all about wrapping up the plot?
miles father is definetly the dharma guy that was in the videos online, finally they get him in an actual episode! MIND HAS BEEN BLOWN
cant wait till next wednesday
QuoteI freaking love THIS SHOW!!!!
Hurley threw a hot pocket at Ben!
Do any of you guys think the writers will be able to pull off more signature 'wow' moments in the remaining episodes of the show or do you think it will be all about wrapping up the plot?
I was cracking up when the hot pocket was thrown, even more so since they are Nestle owned and I work for Nestle.
Sadly, no matter what they do for an end, I do not think they will be able to give us that kind of a moment. At least not one that is going to please everyone. As long as it's not fucking aliens at the end or a snow globe or some stupid shit like that. I know they said it's not going to be, but they could be messing with us. Hell the last four years they've been messing with us.
QuoteQuoteI freaking love THIS SHOW!!!!
Hurley threw a hot pocket at Ben!
Do any of you guys think the writers will be able to pull off more signature 'wow' moments in the remaining episodes of the show or do you think it will be all about wrapping up the plot?
I was cracking up when the hot pocket was thrown, even more so since they are Nestle owned and I work for Nestle.
Sadly, no matter what they do for an end, I do not think they will be able to give us that kind of a moment. At least not one that is going to please everyone. As long as it's not fucking aliens at the end or a snow globe or some stupid shit like that. I know they said it's not going to be, but they could be messing with us. Hell the last four years they've been messing with us.
Last night was one big head fuck for the group on the island. I felt like I was in a bad acid trip......
So what about Ms. Hawking? The end is nigh....and I could see JJ Abrams making the world implode. Or do we think that it will have a happy ending? I am inclined to say no, but then again, this show is crazy. I am loving the start to the season :D
I missed the first half hour due to a work meeting, so I am off to watch it now!
Anyone else notice on the 1st hour recap that they left out Charlie completely? I mean it was as though he never was on the show.
Anyway,1st episode of season 5 was excellent,2nd episode was disappointing.I hear that next weeks episode is mind blowing!
as an armchair physicist, I am curious to see how they plan on handling this timeline issue. I'm fairly sure that the reason they all have to return is that time in this instance is like a string of christmas lights and if one bulb goes, all hell breaks loose. Still, I want to know if it's Richard Alpert's immortal eyeliner that allows him to stay put.
Also, I want to know how they are going to reconcile science with religion. I'm pretty sure there is dark matter at the heart of the island. But they also completed the Locke-religion analogue by making him a true christ figure (and likely rise again in order to allow time to stop slipping).
And once again, I want to punch Hurley and then give him a hug.
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Quoteas an armchair physicist, I am curious to see how they plan on handling this timeline issue. I'm fairly sure that the reason they all have to return is that time in this instance is like a string of christmas lights and if one bulb goes, all hell breaks loose. Still, I want to know if it's Richard Alpert's immortal eyeliner that allows him to stay put.
Also, I want to know how they are going to reconcile science with religion. I'm pretty sure there is dark matter at the heart of the island. But they also completed the Locke-religion analogue by making him a true christ figure (and likely rise again in order to allow time to stop slipping).
And once again, I want to punch Hurley and then give him a hug.
Forget next episode being mind blowing, this post was mind blowing! The immortal eyeliner RULES! Yes, I think we all feel like wanting to punch Hurleybird then hug him like a long lost teddy bear for making some truly dumb moves.
QuoteQuoteas an armchair physicist, I am curious to see how they plan on handling this timeline issue. I'm fairly sure that the reason they all have to return is that time in this instance is like a string of christmas lights and if one bulb goes, all hell breaks loose. Still, I want to know if it's Richard Alpert's immortal eyeliner that allows him to stay put.
Also, I want to know how they are going to reconcile science with religion. I'm pretty sure there is dark matter at the heart of the island. But they also completed the Locke-religion analogue by making him a true christ figure (and likely rise again in order to allow time to stop slipping).
And once again, I want to punch Hurley and then give him a hug.
Forget next episode being mind blowing, this post was mind blowing! The immortal eyeliner RULES! Yes, I think we all feel like wanting to punch Hurleybird then hug him like a long lost teddy bear for making some truly dumb moves.
I have a reputation amongst my friends of being a total nutcase about the philosophical and physics undertones of this show. My girlfriend is like OMG JAACK AND SAWYER and my dude friends are all about seeing Juliet and Kate get into a nekkid cat fight, and I'm sitting there saying, "but the Kasimir effect has only been observed is not a real practical phenomenon so how are they going to use it?"
I have class during the episodes so I don't watch them until Thursday I hate it.
Read in the paper that the ratings were 30% lower than last season's premier episode.
I think this is going to be the best season yet. I'm so excited for next week. :)
But, what about Walt??????? he was so special, i dont think we've seen the last of him, i guarentee that he will have to go back with them in order to find the island again, and one more thing if the ending to this journey we call lost is where they go back and make it to where the plane doesnt crash or doesnt take off or stop dharma from doing what ever the hell they were actually doing my head will chop itself off :-? but i cant wait for next week this show is awesome
QuoteBut, what about Walt??????? he was so special, i dont think we've seen the last of him, i guarentee that he will have to go back with them in order to find the island again, and one more thing if the ending to this journey we call lost is where they go back and make it to where the plane doesnt crash or doesnt take off or stop dharma from doing what ever the hell they were actually doing my head will chop itself off :-? but i cant wait for next week this show is awesome
i think you mean WAAAAAAAAAAAAAALT!
It will be interesting how they incorporate him. However, I think that Walt will not be as essential since he was not on the island when the timeline was interrupted.
Strictly speaking, they could never truly interact and prevent the plane from leaving. But by the same respect, Ethan should have never been able to shoot Locke, so who knows.
There is a clear link between the pure science relating to the energy at the heart of the island, the time slipping, and the psychological well being of the people, which is what Dharma was probably working on, especially if it means seeing into the future like a modern day Greek Oracle.
So any predictions for tonite?
I have no idea. I just hope we find out about the 4 toed statue soon.
4 toed statue will be resolved this season. I read somewhere that tonight was supposed to be a big night, but isn't that true for any ep?
QuoteI have no idea. I just hope we find out about the 4 toed statue soon.
I have a feeling during one of the time travel segments we will see the 4 toed statue either being built or whole.
QuoteQuoteI have no idea. I just hope we find out about the 4 toed statue soon.
I have a feeling during one of the time travel segments we will see the 4 toed statue either being built or whole.
I agree.
Quote4 toed statue will be resolved this season. I read somewhere that tonight was supposed to be a big night, but isn't that true for any ep?
Jeepers. Talk about a big night! I hope all of you guys watched, or will be watching it soon. Crap. I had asked last week if they would be able to pull off anymore 'wow' moments and I had one tonight. Woo... I will save on the details to avoid spoilers.
QuoteQuote4 toed statue will be resolved this season. I read somewhere that tonight was supposed to be a big night, but isn't that true for any ep?
Jeepers. Talk about a big night! I hope all of you guys watched, or will be watching it soon. Crap. I had asked last week if they would be able to pull off anymore 'wow' moments and I had one tonight. Woo... I will save on the details to avoid spoilers.
I actually jumped out of my chair and yelled YES. Another great episode.
I watched it at a friends bar, and there was a collective, "YES!", when the part I'm assuming we are talking about happened. Great episode.
Also, and I'm trying to be as vague as possible here, the girl with the gun was someones mom. Could the other moment be the father of that someone? hmmmmmmm
I thoguht the episode was "meh" only because it's definitely something setting up something else. I have high hopes for Desmond episodes.
At least we know now that Widmore is an Other, so this rivalry between him and Ben is most definitely related to Ben's decimation of all the Others on the Island.
That girl has to be revealed as someone's mom, but whose? It can't be Ben's mom only because he would have to have been conceived off the island, right?
God I hate charlotte. I'm annoyed that ANOTHER love line was introduced. It kept my beyonce happy though.
QuoteAlso, and I'm trying to be as vague as possible here, the girl with the gun was someones mom. Could the other moment be the father of that someone? hmmmmmmm
Maybe she's Farday's mom? or did they say that you can't interact with past family, friends when they go back in time?
Anyhow another great episode! I do hope the statue answer comes up soon. I have a theory about it, but like almost everything I've thought about this show since episode 1 it's probably wrong!
the gun girl i think is fairadays mom and whitmores his dad?!?!?!lol
but crazy episode cant wait for next week
Quote
That girl has to be revealed as someone's mom, but whose?
Penny's Mum
QuoteI thoguht the episode was "meh" only because it's definitely something setting up something else. I have high hopes for Desmond episodes.
At least we know now that Widmore is an Other, so this rivalry between him and Ben is most definitely related to Ben's decimation of all the Others on the Island.
That girl has to be revealed as someone's mom, but whose? It can't be Ben's mom only because he would have to have been conceived off the island, right?
God I hate charlotte. I'm annoyed that ANOTHER love line was introduced. It kept my beyonce happy though.
Right on! I can't stand her facial expressions and if Faraday wasn't such an interesting character I would be tired of him, too. The urgent-whispering has got to stop.
I think the gun-toting chick is Faraday's mom, not sure if Widmore is the dad. But then again I am 99% wrong on all of my Lost predictions.
My favorite Sawyer line was, 'I hate to break up the I'm an Other, you're an Other reunion...'
QuoteQuoteI thoguht the episode was "meh" only because it's definitely something setting up something else. I have high hopes for Desmond episodes.
At least we know now that Widmore is an Other, so this rivalry between him and Ben is most definitely related to Ben's decimation of all the Others on the Island.
That girl has to be revealed as someone's mom, but whose? It can't be Ben's mom only because he would have to have been conceived off the island, right?
God I hate charlotte. I'm annoyed that ANOTHER love line was introduced. It kept my beyonce happy though.
Right on! I can't stand her facial expressions and if Faraday wasn't such an interesting character I would be tired of him, too. The urgent-whispering has got to stop.
I think the gun-toting chick is Faraday's mom, not sure if Widmore is the dad. But then again I am 99% wrong on all of my Lost predictions.
My favorite Sawyer line was, 'I hate to break up the I'm an Other, you're an Other reunion...'
Despite that, we still need to know why the hell a clairvoyant, a physicist, and an anthropologist would be necessary on a mission containing mercenaries sent to get Ben Linus
So what does everyone think about the whispers now that they are openly discussing time travel? I hope this is a mystery that they address this season.....
QuoteSo what does everyone think about the whispers now that they are openly discussing time travel? I hope this is a mystery that they address this season.....
I have a feeling that will be discussed next season.
Come on Wiz, we have too many mysteries solved/questions answered this season. That will just leave Jack and Sawyer running around shirtless with nothing to do. Oh wait, my wife likes that idear. :-/
QuoteCome on Wiz, we have too many mysteries solved/questions answered this season. That will just leave Jack and Sawyer running around shirtless with nothing to do. Oh wait, my wife likes that idear. :-/
Hey! A girl can dream, right?
We haven't even heard the whispers in awhile (or seen smokey for that matter). They have to at least tease us with some info, right? On the lost forum sites there are links to whispers' transcripts (deciphered by fans of course). What they have pulled out by tweaking the audio is some crazy stuff. I personally think (hope?) that we will see the losties encountering themselves in the past at some point....and that cross-over in time is my explanation for the whispers. But i want to know if I am right ;) ;D :o ::)
Plus...I am curious as to what you all think about the whispers. My husband dropped out awhile ago and I am still catching him up on the madness that is this season. So I have no one at home to discuss this with. Someone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
Maybe they are the voices of everyone else from the different times? Somehow Smokie is tied to that?
QuoteQuoteCome on Wiz, we have too many mysteries solved/questions answered this season. :-/
Hey! A girl can dream, right?
Thanks MjK! That was what I was referring to above (telling us more about the whispers). Not Sawyer and Jack ;) (not my type)
QuoteQuoteQuoteCome on Wiz, we have too many mysteries solved/questions answered this season. :-/
Hey! A girl can dream, right?
Thanks MjK! That was what I was referring to above (telling us more about the whispers). Not Sawyer and Jack ;) (not my type)
That's my theory (and yours) and I'm sticking to it until we hear different. Not your type eh? Of course my wife perks up with shirtless Sayid comes on too....and Boone. She knew she was into pretty boys. How the heck does that explain me? :-? HA :D
jeez o freakin pete, mind fuckage ensuing
Quotejeez o freakin pete, mind fuckage ensuing
shhhhh....I am on the west coast ;)
oh, and Boone = Swoon
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_BcAhLr85Pvs/Rhy8cN3_RRI/AAAAAAAAE7E/H2hx4SWlNKA/s400/boone.jpg)
Quotejeez o freakin pete, mind fuckage ensuing
Yes! Amazing! :D
This show is fantastic. When Sawyer saw Kate in the jungle after the one 'jump'. Excellent. And Sayid is still kicking ass! I LOVE HIM!
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Tonight! Wonder whats going to go down?
Crazy shit's goin down...as always. Cannot wait as I've been looking forward to this all day.
Holy
Fucking
Hell!
Great episode!
Seriously, if you are not watching this show, you are missing one of the greatest TV shows. Just insanly great.
I was thinking, Russo said all of her people died from getting sick but really she killed them. I wonder what drove her to do that? And for the other guy to try to kill her?
QuoteI was thinking, Russo said all of her people died from getting sick but really she killed them. I wonder what drove her to do that? And for the other guy to try to kill her?
The guy that plays Jin did an interview recently and mentioned we are supposed to see "smokey's" lair this season. Is perhaps this part of the temple that Ben asked Richard to prepare at one point? It sure as hell looked like an old temple. Seriously, the thing fucking ripped a guys arm off. Awesome!
QuoteQuoteI was thinking, Russo said all of her people died from getting sick but really she killed them. I wonder what drove her to do that? And for the other guy to try to kill her?
The guy that plays Jin did an interview recently and mentioned we are supposed to see "smokey's" lair this season. Is perhaps this part of the temple that Ben asked Richard to prepare at one point? It sure as hell looked like an old temple. Seriously, the thing fucking ripped a guys arm off. Awesome!
I assume it is the same temple they were going to.
It's funny, I have a friend who is a huge Sci Fi nerd, and I'm always saying that he needs to watch lost. I say it and he's like "You said that to me like 300 times." And I'm like "Joe, but you REALLY NEED to watch Lost." He really needs to watch lost.
Joe really does need to watch Lost. Same here. Friend from work has yet to experience it. Just cannot get him to listen.
Not to be a stickler, but it's Rousseau! Us philosophy geeks take pride in salvaging whatever we can from our useless degrees.
Also, keep in mind this, because I'm not sure of its full connection.
Charlotte mentions she knows Carthage better than Hannibal.
Carthage is located in present-day Tunisia
Tunisia was the go-between for Sicily/Italy and Egypt
Tunisia is where Ben was spit out when he turned the wheel
There were Egyptian hieroglyphs on the smokemonster's lair.
Me thinks there is a connection to this, the monster, and perhaps the foot?
Another great episode! Am I missing something or is Jack's Dad Jacob?
QuoteAnother great episode! Am I missing something or is Jack's Dad Jacob?
If we're on the same page, which I think we are, the lesson to be learned is that yes, Christian Shepherd = Jacob, it just hasnt' been stated as such.
Yea, but, when Locke asked if he was Jacob, he said no.
QuoteQuoteAnother great episode! Am I missing something or is Jack's Dad Jacob?
If we're on the same page, which I think we are, the lesson to be learned is that yes, Christian Shepherd = Jacob, it just hasnt' been stated as such.
I don't think he is. Who was the guy in the chair when ben and Locke first go to Jacobs cabin then? That wasn't Christian.
QuoteQuoteQuoteAnother great episode! Am I missing something or is Jack's Dad Jacob?
If we're on the same page, which I think we are, the lesson to be learned is that yes, Christian Shepherd = Jacob, it just hasnt' been stated as such.
I don't think he is. Who was the guy in the chair when ben and Locke first go to Jacobs cabin then? That wasn't Christian.
I thought that guy in the chair was Christian but upon a quick google search, I found the screen cap and at first glance, it looks like it'd be Lapedius (the choppa pilot, who's name is something allegorical to Jesus as well). Then, I came across a photoshop of that screen cap to show that the man in the rocking chair was a very hairy Locke.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnother great episode! Am I missing something or is Jack's Dad Jacob?
If we're on the same page, which I think we are, the lesson to be learned is that yes, Christian Shepherd = Jacob, it just hasnt' been stated as such.
I don't think he is. Who was the guy in the chair when ben and Locke first go to Jacobs cabin then? That wasn't Christian.
I thought that guy in the chair was Christian but upon a quick google search, I found the screen cap and at first glance, it looks like it'd be Lapedius (the choppa pilot, who's name is something allegorical to Jesus as well). Then, I came across a photoshop of that screen cap to show that the man in the rocking chair was a very hairy Locke.
So Locke saw himself in the cabin in the rocking chair?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnother great episode! Am I missing something or is Jack's Dad Jacob?
If we're on the same page, which I think we are, the lesson to be learned is that yes, Christian Shepherd = Jacob, it just hasnt' been stated as such.
I don't think he is. Who was the guy in the chair when ben and Locke first go to Jacobs cabin then? That wasn't Christian.
I thought that guy in the chair was Christian but upon a quick google search, I found the screen cap and at first glance, it looks like it'd be Lapedius (the choppa pilot, who's name is something allegorical to Jesus as well). Then, I came across a photoshop of that screen cap to show that the man in the rocking chair was a very hairy Locke.
So Locke saw himself in the cabin in the rocking chair?
I love this show!
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnother great episode! Am I missing something or is Jack's Dad Jacob?
If we're on the same page, which I think we are, the lesson to be learned is that yes, Christian Shepherd = Jacob, it just hasnt' been stated as such.
I don't think he is. Who was the guy in the chair when ben and Locke first go to Jacobs cabin then? That wasn't Christian.
I thought that guy in the chair was Christian but upon a quick google search, I found the screen cap and at first glance, it looks like it'd be Lapedius (the choppa pilot, who's name is something allegorical to Jesus as well). Then, I came across a photoshop of that screen cap to show that the man in the rocking chair was a very hairy Locke.
So Locke saw himself in the cabin in the rocking chair?
I love this show!
Seriously. This week is going to be great. I have faith we will definitely know more about the Smoke Monster in the next few episodes. But we're also going to see just how they get back to the island methinks.
Also, that thing about Jacob = Locke has a website devoted to the theory I think. Others clearly debunk it.
Stupid class tonite. Won't see it til tomorrow
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnother great episode! Am I missing something or is Jack's Dad Jacob?
If we're on the same page, which I think we are, the lesson to be learned is that yes, Christian Shepherd = Jacob, it just hasnt' been stated as such.
I don't think he is. Who was the guy in the chair when ben and Locke first go to Jacobs cabin then? That wasn't Christian.
I thought that guy in the chair was Christian but upon a quick google search, I found the screen cap and at first glance, it looks like it'd be Lapedius (the choppa pilot, who's name is something allegorical to Jesus as well). Then, I came across a photoshop of that screen cap to show that the man in the rocking chair was a very hairy Locke.
So Locke saw himself in the cabin in the rocking chair?
Actually, I'm not sure Locke saw anything. But we did.
what....a.....mind......fuck
Jack = jacob, Wow what an episode, next week will be nuts
QuoteJack = jacob, Wow what an episode, next week will be nuts
Really? You think so? (about Jack) I mean he's no longer the Doubting Thomas.
Here's some tidbits I've picked from around the intarwebs:
Ben is reading James Joyce's Ulysses, a tale based on Odysseus, the sailor who went on an adventure after unbelieveable mishap after mishap keeps him from his love - Penelope
The analogue of the Doubting Thomas and Jack's Leap of Faith is very similar to the writings of Soren Kierkegaard in his book Fear and Trembling
So all your heads can hurt like mine.
Did Kate give Aaron to Claire's mom or Sawyer's baby momma? Or what if she sent Aaron to live with Jin Yeon? What if Claire reappeared to Kate?
Is Kate pregnant? Did Jack & Kate do the deed on the last night before the flight and now she's taking the place of Claire on the plane?
Is the strange guy on the plane one of Widmore's cronies?
Did Ben succeed in harming/killing Penny or did Desmond beat the crap out of him? Was it even Penny that Ben had a scuffle with? Or did Ben go after Sayid in order to get him arrested so he would be on the plane (and Hurley would be released from custody?)
Is Grandpa Ray possibly Jacob? Why devote a whole scence just to getting shoes?
Is Walt on the back part of the plane where we didn't see the passengers? It would be a great way to explain the actor's growth.
Hurley was reading a comic book in a foreign language - just like Walt was on the Oceanic Flight.
QuoteSo all your heads can hurt like mine.
Did Kate give Aaron to Claire's mom or Sawyer's baby momma? Or what if she sent Aaron to live with Jin Yeon? What if Claire reappeared to Kate?
Is Kate pregnant? Did Jack & Kate do the deed on the last night before the flight and now she's taking the place of Claire on the plane?
Is the strange guy on the plane one of Widmore's cronies?
Did Ben succeed in harming/killing Penny or did Desmond beat the crap out of him? Was it even Penny that Ben had a scuffle with? Or did Ben go after Sayid in order to get him arrested so he would be on the plane (and Hurley would be released from custody?)
Is Grandpa Ray possibly Jacob? Why devote a whole scence just to getting shoes?
Is Walt on the back part of the plane where we didn't see the passengers? It would be a great way to explain the actor's growth.
Hurley was reading a comic book in a foreign language - just like Walt was on the Oceanic Flight.
I was thinking that maybe Kate gave Aaron to clare somehow. Who knows.
QuoteSo all your heads can hurt like mine.
Did Kate give Aaron to Claire's mom or Sawyer's baby momma? Or what if she sent Aaron to live with Jin Yeon? What if Claire reappeared to Kate?
Is Kate pregnant? Did Jack & Kate do the deed on the last night before the flight and now she's taking the place of Claire on the plane?
Is the strange guy on the plane one of Widmore's cronies?
Did Ben succeed in harming/killing Penny or did Desmond beat the crap out of him? Was it even Penny that Ben had a scuffle with? Or did Ben go after Sayid in order to get him arrested so he would be on the plane (and Hurley would be released from custody?)
Is Grandpa Ray possibly Jacob? Why devote a whole scence just to getting shoes?
Is Walt on the back part of the plane where we didn't see the passengers? It would be a great way to explain the actor's growth.
Hurley was reading a comic book in a foreign language - just like Walt was on the Oceanic Flight.
I definitely think she handed Aaron over to Claire. Why else would she be sooooo freaked out? And I think Kate is pregnant. And I am not sure Jack = Jacob, but he switched from a man of reason to a man of faith. That is a big change for ole' Jack.....
I also loved the change in format (starting and ending with the same scene and keeping a linear story line in the middle). I believe this is a major turning point in the story. As I am glad to be getting so many juicy answers, I am kind of bummed that this journey ends next season :-[
QuoteI definitely think she handed Aaron over to Claire. Why else would she be sooooo freaked out? And I think Kate is pregnant. And I am not sure Jack = Jacob, but he switched from a man of reason to a man of faith. That is a big change for ole' Jack.....
I also loved the change in format (starting and ending with the same scene and keeping a linear story line in the middle). I believe this is a major turning point in the story. As I am glad to be getting so many juicy answers, I am kind of bummed that this journey ends next season :-[
Tell me about it. What the hell are we gonna watch after this is over?
QuoteQuoteI definitely think she handed Aaron over to Claire. Why else would she be sooooo freaked out? And I think Kate is pregnant. And I am not sure Jack = Jacob, but he switched from a man of reason to a man of faith. That is a big change for ole' Jack.....
I also loved the change in format (starting and ending with the same scene and keeping a linear story line in the middle). I believe this is a major turning point in the story. As I am glad to be getting so many juicy answers, I am kind of bummed that this journey ends next season :-[
Tell me about it. What the hell are we gonna watch after this is over?
Probably my lost dvd's. It really is the only show I care about.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI definitely think she handed Aaron over to Claire. Why else would she be sooooo freaked out? And I think Kate is pregnant. And I am not sure Jack = Jacob, but he switched from a man of reason to a man of faith. That is a big change for ole' Jack.....
I also loved the change in format (starting and ending with the same scene and keeping a linear story line in the middle). I believe this is a major turning point in the story. As I am glad to be getting so many juicy answers, I am kind of bummed that this journey ends next season :-[
Tell me about it. What the hell are we gonna watch after this is over?
Probably my lost dvd's. It really is the only show I care about.
Next season is really 4 seasons because they'll show you 6, take a 2 year break, show you 3 more episodes, there will be a strike and they'll replace it with a ghetto version of Groundhogs Day, and then they'll show you 8 more episodes that will almost answer the one question you want answered most, and then they'll wait 2 years before the next episode.
Of course, the final answer will reveal what will happen in 2012, but by the time they get to airing that episode, it'll be 2013.
Also, I don't think Kate gave Aaron to anyone. I think Aaron was taken because despite being a member of the Oceanic 6, having him on board would severely throw-off the "must return as you came" thing and Aaron would fark that up, which is why Kate got drunk, boned Jack rawdog, and is now 105% preggers, but will die on the island, unless Juliet can save her.
Except Juliet is in love with Sawyer, who loves Juliet more than he loves Kate. But this complicates whatever he whispered in her ear before he jumped out of the choppa, making Kate really regret coming back to the island.
Then, the real secret is revealed. I've photoshopped it for you all.
(http://www.elchode.com/images/photoshop/fark/juliet.jpg)
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI definitely think she handed Aaron over to Claire. Why else would she be sooooo freaked out? And I think Kate is pregnant. And I am not sure Jack = Jacob, but he switched from a man of reason to a man of faith. That is a big change for ole' Jack.....
I also loved the change in format (starting and ending with the same scene and keeping a linear story line in the middle). I believe this is a major turning point in the story. As I am glad to be getting so many juicy answers, I am kind of bummed that this journey ends next season :-[
Tell me about it. What the hell are we gonna watch after this is over?
Probably my lost dvd's. It really is the only show I care about.
Next season is really 4 seasons because they'll show you 6, take a 2 year break, show you 3 more episodes, there will be a strike and they'll replace it with a ghetto version of Groundhogs Day, and then they'll show you 8 more episodes that will almost answer the one question you want answered most, and then they'll wait 2 years before the next episode.
Of course, the final answer will reveal what will happen in 2012, but by the time they get to airing that episode, it'll be 2013.
Also, I don't think Kate gave Aaron to anyone. I think Aaron was taken because despite being a member of the Oceanic 6, having him on board would severely throw-off the "must return as you came" thing and Aaron would fark that up, which is why Kate got drunk, boned Jack rawdog, and is now 105% preggers, but will die on the island, unless Juliet can save her.
Except Juliet is in love with Sawyer, who loves Juliet more than he loves Kate. But this complicates whatever he whispered in her ear before he jumped out of the choppa, making Kate really regret coming back to the island.
Then, the real secret is revealed. I've photoshopped it for you all.
(http://www.elchode.com/images/photoshop/fark/juliet.jpg)
;D Classic!
I think Kate's pregnancy replaces Aaron in the group of six.
What changed Hurley's mind?
Why was Jin wearing the darma outfit? What time period do you think they arrived at the island?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI definitely think she handed Aaron over to Claire. Why else would she be sooooo freaked out? And I think Kate is pregnant. And I am not sure Jack = Jacob, but he switched from a man of reason to a man of faith. That is a big change for ole' Jack.....
I also loved the change in format (starting and ending with the same scene and keeping a linear story line in the middle). I believe this is a major turning point in the story. As I am glad to be getting so many juicy answers, I am kind of bummed that this journey ends next season :-[
Tell me about it. What the hell are we gonna watch after this is over?
Probably my lost dvd's. It really is the only show I care about.
Next season is really 4 seasons because they'll show you 6, take a 2 year break, show you 3 more episodes, there will be a strike and they'll replace it with a ghetto version of Groundhogs Day, and then they'll show you 8 more episodes that will almost answer the one question you want answered most, and then they'll wait 2 years before the next episode.
Of course, the final answer will reveal what will happen in 2012, but by the time they get to airing that episode, it'll be 2013.
Also, I don't think Kate gave Aaron to anyone. I think Aaron was taken because despite being a member of the Oceanic 6, having him on board would severely throw-off the "must return as you came" thing and Aaron would fark that up, which is why Kate got drunk, boned Jack rawdog, and is now 105% preggers, but will die on the island, unless Juliet can save her.
Except Juliet is in love with Sawyer, who loves Juliet more than he loves Kate. But this complicates whatever he whispered in her ear before he jumped out of the choppa, making Kate really regret coming back to the island.
Then, the real secret is revealed. I've photoshopped it for you all.
(http://www.elchode.com/images/photoshop/fark/juliet.jpg)
;D Classic!
I think Kate's pregnancy replaces Aaron in the group of six.
What changed Hurley's mind?
Why was Jin wearing the darma outfit? What time period do you think they arrived at the island?
Just watched it again..... Did anyone mention why Ben got beat up and was late for the plane?.....Jesus, Thomas.... Locke.....My head hurts!
Also found this on the interweb-Lostpedia page, maybe will mean something later on.
This episode was originally intended to be the seventh of the season, but was later switched to air before episode 5x07. This is only the third time in the show's history that the order of the episodes had been switched, having happened only in Season One, and in Season Three with "The Glass Ballerina" and "Further Instructions". (Information from the Official Podcast)
I have a feeling that tonights episode is going to be the best of the whole series so far.
QuoteI have a feeling that tonights episode is going to be the best of the whole series so far.
I'm pretty pumped up as well, now that Mrs. Faraday is finally part of the story.
QuoteQuoteI have a feeling that tonights episode is going to be the best of the whole series so far.
I'm pretty pumped up as well, now that Mrs. Faraday is finally part of the story.
Same here. She is Ellie from the island, Widmore's love interest, making Faraday Penny's Brother, brotha
QuoteI have a feeling that tonights episode is going to be the best of the whole series so far.
I'm witcha on this one.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI definitely think she handed Aaron over to Claire. Why else would she be sooooo freaked out? And I think Kate is pregnant. And I am not sure Jack = Jacob, but he switched from a man of reason to a man of faith. That is a big change for ole' Jack.....
I also loved the change in format (starting and ending with the same scene and keeping a linear story line in the middle). I believe this is a major turning point in the story. As I am glad to be getting so many juicy answers, I am kind of bummed that this journey ends next season :-[
Tell me about it. What the hell are we gonna watch after this is over?
Probably my lost dvd's. It really is the only show I care about.
Next season is really 4 seasons because they'll show you 6, take a 2 year break, show you 3 more episodes, there will be a strike and they'll replace it with a ghetto version of Groundhogs Day, and then they'll show you 8 more episodes that will almost answer the one question you want answered most, and then they'll wait 2 years before the next episode.
Of course, the final answer will reveal what will happen in 2012, but by the time they get to airing that episode, it'll be 2013.
Also, I don't think Kate gave Aaron to anyone. I think Aaron was taken because despite being a member of the Oceanic 6, having him on board would severely throw-off the "must return as you came" thing and Aaron would fark that up, which is why Kate got drunk, boned Jack rawdog, and is now 105% preggers, but will die on the island, unless Juliet can save her.
Except Juliet is in love with Sawyer, who loves Juliet more than he loves Kate. But this complicates whatever he whispered in her ear before he jumped out of the choppa, making Kate really regret coming back to the island.
Then, the real secret is revealed. I've photoshopped it for you all.
(http://www.elchode.com/images/photoshop/fark/juliet.jpg)
;D Classic!
I think Kate's pregnancy replaces Aaron in the group of six.
What changed Hurley's mind?
Why was Jin wearing the darma outfit? What time period do you think they arrived at the island?
Just watched it again..... Did anyone mention why Ben got beat up and was late for the plane?.....Jesus, Thomas.... Locke.....My head hurts!
Ben was at the docks killing penny "tieing up lose ends" and this will come into play later when desmond needs to go back to the island but desmond says he'll never go back, but then he figures out that ben killed penny and he wants revenge, wheres ben? on the island, therefor making desmond go back
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI definitely think she handed Aaron over to Claire. Why else would she be sooooo freaked out? And I think Kate is pregnant. And I am not sure Jack = Jacob, but he switched from a man of reason to a man of faith. That is a big change for ole' Jack.....
I also loved the change in format (starting and ending with the same scene and keeping a linear story line in the middle). I believe this is a major turning point in the story. As I am glad to be getting so many juicy answers, I am kind of bummed that this journey ends next season :-[
Tell me about it. What the hell are we gonna watch after this is over?
Probably my lost dvd's. It really is the only show I care about.
Next season is really 4 seasons because they'll show you 6, take a 2 year break, show you 3 more episodes, there will be a strike and they'll replace it with a ghetto version of Groundhogs Day, and then they'll show you 8 more episodes that will almost answer the one question you want answered most, and then they'll wait 2 years before the next episode.
Of course, the final answer will reveal what will happen in 2012, but by the time they get to airing that episode, it'll be 2013.
Also, I don't think Kate gave Aaron to anyone. I think Aaron was taken because despite being a member of the Oceanic 6, having him on board would severely throw-off the "must return as you came" thing and Aaron would fark that up, which is why Kate got drunk, boned Jack rawdog, and is now 105% preggers, but will die on the island, unless Juliet can save her.
Except Juliet is in love with Sawyer, who loves Juliet more than he loves Kate. But this complicates whatever he whispered in her ear before he jumped out of the choppa, making Kate really regret coming back to the island.
Then, the real secret is revealed. I've photoshopped it for you all.
(http://www.elchode.com/images/photoshop/fark/juliet.jpg)
;D Classic!
I think Kate's pregnancy replaces Aaron in the group of six.
What changed Hurley's mind?
Why was Jin wearing the darma outfit? What time period do you think they arrived at the island?
Just watched it again..... Did anyone mention why Ben got beat up and was late for the plane?.....Jesus, Thomas.... Locke.....My head hurts!
Ben was at the docks killing penny "tieing up lose ends" and this will come into play later when desmond needs to go back to the island but desmond says he'll never go back, but then he figures out that ben killed penny and he wants revenge, wheres ben? on the island, therefor making desmond go back
Don't forget that Ben told Widmore he was going to kill his daughter.
Man-o-man....when will Locke ever learn his lesson? Ben is bad, bad news. But we can't be sure about Widmore either. Seems like everyone (except Helen and Walt) just uses Locke. Speaking of....how about that Walt? He (and vincent) is soooooo dialed into the island. Wow.
It is official, I am suffering from Wednesday lust these days. I just cannot wait for next week! :D
Also, last night seemed to have fewer commercials than normal. THANK YOU SHITTY ECONOMY.
I think the problem is this: both Ben and Widmore want what is best for the island, but also to be in charge, so that is why their motives are always good and bad - their ends is noble, their means are not.
Also, I agree that Locke just gets used. He doesn't seem to be smart enough to actually lead the island. I mean come on - both Widmore and Ben know how to mindfuck, and Locke's attempt to get people to do things goes like this:
Locke: "You need to go back"
Oceanic 6 Survivor: "No"
Locke: "Okay, you're right"
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_n3eH1jI8AZ8/Sa81wLFU7xI/AAAAAAAAPZo/-xrwA3gm7v4/s1600/508%2B4tf3.jpg)
I assume you're speechless.
I am too
Except I'm not sure if it's from the episode or the fact that ABC DECIDED IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO MAKE US WAIT TWO WEEKS
Quote(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_n3eH1jI8AZ8/Sa81wLFU7xI/AAAAAAAAPZo/-xrwA3gm7v4/s1600/508%2B4tf3.jpg)
I guess I wasn't supposed to post that. :(
So who is the bebe? I say one of the Losties is the baby. The statue is also the Eyptian god of Death.
I still say the island is Atlantis. My head hurts. This show rules
QuoteMy head hurts. This show rules
ditto and ditto....
Sawyer/James/Jim..... :o! I have to watch this again on abc.com....
QuoteThe statue is also the Eyptian god of Death.
Anubis?
(http://www.pushindaisies.com/candypress/ProdImages/mum_life_size_anubis_lg.jpg)
Anubis has 5 toes though...
;D
As a man he has 5, in doggie form he's supposed to have 4.
I'm not convinced it's Atlantis.
Anubis is Plausible.
As for the baby, let's pool our knowledge:
It was 1974, meaning that if the "modern" times is contemporaneous, it would make the subject (relative to the survivors) somewhere in their 30s.
It's a boy.
It can't be Faraday's mom, nor is it Charlotte's. Neither can it be Miles. We know who the parents were for Kate, Jack, Claire, and Hurley. Locke is too old.
That leaves Desmond. We never really hear about his parents. There is a reason Charles wanted him to go on that boat race and it was more then to get him away from Penny. Yes, neither parent is Scottish, but if you are raised in an area with an accent, you pick it up. That's more story and I'm sticking with it until they say the baby's name.
We also know Sawyers 'rents so he's out.
Not that this makes a big difference but I think the baby was born in 1977. They said it was '74 during a scene that was "Three years earlier". I think.
(Well that just clears up everything doesn't it.) ;)
QuoteI assume you're speechless.
I am too
Except I'm not sure if it's from the episode or the fact that ABC DECIDED IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO MAKE US WAIT TWO WEEKS
I thought that this season was going to run uninterrupted! I feel sorry for people who gave up on this show after season 2!
QuoteQuoteI assume you're speechless.
I am too
Except I'm not sure if it's from the episode or the fact that ABC DECIDED IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO MAKE US WAIT TWO WEEKS
I thought that this season was going to run uninterrupted! I feel sorry for people who gave up on this show after season 2!
I know. ABC is doing something. Probably some third rate celebrity dancing show or some stupid shit like that.
QuoteI'm not convinced it's Atlantis.
Anubis is Plausible.
As for the baby, let's pool our knowledge:
It was 1974, meaning that if the "modern" times is contemporaneous, it would make the subject (relative to the survivors) somewhere in their 30s.
It's a boy.
It can't be Faraday's mom, nor is it Charlotte's. Neither can it be Miles. We know who the parents were for Kate, Jack, Claire, and Hurley. Locke is too old.
Ethan is a theory floating around on the interwebs....
Ethan could make sense. My brother and I wondered if it could be Desmond since we don't really know anything about his past in that sense (or do we and I'm forgetting)?
Another theory is that it's not definitely 1974?
So I'm reading this news article http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13226725, totally unrelated to LOST, and it occurs to me after getting into an argument last night on why Michael couldn't die (this is what happens when I drink too much)...
If, once visiting the island, a quantum entanglement occurs between them and whatever the mystery is at the heart of the island is, then it would make sense that no matter how spatially separated they all are from the island, they're both inextricably related to one another until they can get "untangled".
If anyone knows more about this than I, feel free to make fun of me.
QuoteEthan could make sense. My brother and I wondered if it could be Desmond since we don't really know anything about his past in that sense (or do we and I'm forgetting)?
Another theory is that it's not definitely 1974?
So I'm reading this news article http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13226725, totally unrelated to LOST, and it occurs to me after getting into an argument last night on why Michael couldn't die (this is what happens when I drink too much)...
If, once visiting the island, a quantum entanglement occurs between them and whatever the mystery is at the heart of the island is, then it would make sense that no matter how spatially separated they all are from the island, they're both inextricably related to one another until they can get "untangled".
If anyone knows more about this than I, feel free to make fun of me.
I thought Desmond also, but Ethan is also a good guess. I wonder if we go back look at any pictures of Locke in the pit with all the dead Darma bodies will we see Leflur or Miles, Jin, names among the bodies?
Since there's no new episode tonite, chew on this:
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Hermanubis: The Roman-Egyptian hybrid shepherd of souls:
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As for the statue here's some more info from the interwebs...
The Ankh: The Egyptian hieroglyph is a symbol of eternal life and fertility. Egyptian gods are often portrayed carrying it by its loop, or bearing one in each hand, arms crossed over their chest. The giant statue appears to be holding one in each hand but its arms are by its sides, not crossed over its chest. Paul's necklace was an ankh, which Amy takes from him after he dies. Amy later successfully gives birth on the Island.
So did they piss off the gods to create the infertility? And what did they do? hmmmm
Man this show rules.
QuoteSo did they piss off the gods to create the infertility? And what did they do? hmmmm
Man this show rules.
I wonder if they'll end up incorporating any truly supernatural concept like that. I get the impression they want to keep it to a conceptualized religion and not actual deities, but who knows.
This horrible, horrible source seems to imply that Desmond is donefor
http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/03/tv-death-chart.html?cnn=yes
QuoteThis horrible, horrible source seems to imply that Desmond is donefor
http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/03/tv-death-chart.html?cnn=yes
1 major, 1 major-ish...hmmmmmm
I really hope it is not desmond, as he is special and can change the timeline. I was hoping he was the key to the finale...... :-/
Just who was behind Sun when she was talking to Christian? Charlotte and bunny #15? Claire? Thoughts?
*sorry about the size of the first image....but it is the better of the two.
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Okay, and who here does not love that Radzinsky was watching the muppet show (upper left monitor)?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-pGkeGjJTvs/SchNnQerICI/AAAAAAAAIPU/O0cr4pO2Sr8/s1600-h/muppetshowinback.jpg
Proof that the Muppets were truly magical.
I'm guessing it was either Claire or a mess up in editing.
QuoteProof that the Muppets were truly magical.
:D
QuoteI'm guessing it was either Claire or a mess up in editing.
I just do not see Lost making that big of a production error, this late in the game. But who knows? I did not notice it when I originally watched the episode (I guess you had to watch it in HD to catch the figure...which I did a few days later online, and it is a trip). Right before that scene, the door opens to a gust of wind, obvious whisps of smoke float into the room, and then a strange figure is seen behind Sun.....seems like an Easter Egg to me.
oh no.......its back...
QuoteQuoteProof that the Muppets were truly magical.
:D
QuoteI'm guessing it was either Claire or a mess up in editing.
I just do not see Lost making that big of a production error, this late in the game. But who knows? I did not notice it when I originally watched the episode (I guess you had to watch it in HD to catch the figure...which I did a few days later online, and it is a trip). Right before that scene, the door opens to a gust of wind, obvious whisps of smoke float into the room, and then a strange figure is seen behind Sun.....seems like an Easter Egg to me.
They admitted to the gaffe with Charlotte's birthday
I was away last week so I just watched the episode last night...so did Sayid have to shoot young Ben because old Ben was back in the 70's?
QuoteI was away last week so I just watched the episode last night...so did Sayid have to shoot young Ben because old Ben was back in the 70's?
Possible.
Now the big question, is ickle Ben really dead. They never confirmed. I personally think Richard will save him.
This starts the motion of the "incident". I cannot f'n wait. I heart this show.
Also, I sadly think
Hurleybird bites the big one at the end of the season.
Will Sayid join upith the Others? Will Sawyer warn about the "incident"? Will Jack go along with him?... so many possibilities!
I agree about who you think will bite it before the season ends!
The EW semi-spoilers reveal the following fine-print:
a major character dies
a not so major character dies
they had a picture of desmond in the article but do not reference him specifically
I don't thikn it's Hurley. Why Hurley?
There is now a paradox of sorts
If Ben was killed as a child, Ben as an adult would not exist
Ben as an adult exists
.: Ben was not killed as a child (magical island healing properties?)
Furthermore, assuming Ben is dead:
If Ben knows Sayid will kill him, then Ben survives
If Ben does not know Sayid will kill him, then Ben does not survive (since if he had survived, he would have known that Sayid kills him)
My guess is that childhood Ben is dead as a method of self-correcting since technically speaking, Ben is dually located in the same location at different times - concurrently. WEIRD
Furthermore, there is some sort of continuity going on since everyone appears in the picture on the island where Jacob is.
AND BEST OF ALL - they've cast a guy from some show called Dexter to play Jacob. So we're going to see a lot more of him I assume
I saw that about the dude from Dexter. He creeps me out so PERFECT CAST!
Ouch, my head!
QuoteQuoteQuoteProof that the Muppets were truly magical.
:D
QuoteI'm guessing it was either Claire or a mess up in editing.
I just do not see Lost making that big of a production error, this late in the game. But who knows? I did not notice it when I originally watched the episode (I guess you had to watch it in HD to catch the figure...which I did a few days later online, and it is a trip). Right before that scene, the door opens to a gust of wind, obvious whisps of smoke float into the room, and then a strange figure is seen behind Sun.....seems like an Easter Egg to me.
They admitted to the gaffe with Charlotte's birthday
Yes....but they said that was due to the actress not wanting to be associated with being "older". Ick. Not sure if that is totally true as she spoke out about that on her Facebook :-?. But Damon and Carlton did pony up to that one. And now it seems that this is a mistake too:
Question
,,Can you please tell me why when christian shepherd holds the picture up there looks to be an image of a person behind sun can you please tell me if this is the camera crew or is this an actor.
Jorge
I'm pretty sure it's a crew member. We were on set trying to figure out who it might be the other day."
QuoteQuoteI was away last week so I just watched the episode last night...so did Sayid have to shoot young Ben because old Ben was back in the 70's?
Possible.
Now the big question, is ickle Ben really dead. They never confirmed. I personally think Richard will save him.
This starts the motion of the "incident". I cannot f'n wait. I heart this show.
Also, I sadly think Hurleybird bites the big one at the end of the season.
Isn't older Ben nursing a nice bump on the head from Sun....in the present time? The common theory is that Sun & Ben couldn't flash to the 70's because they are already there (young Ben is on the island and the theories are that Sun is really Chang's daughter). I do not think Ben is dead, kind of impossible since he was in the "future". So in the vein of "what happened, happened", I believe someone attempted to take Ben's life before (perhaps his dad?...i hate Ben's dad >:(). But what happened, happened....just the person who did it has changed. Plus, Sayid missed out on Daniel's explanation of time travel back when they were flashing in time. He doesn't know the "rules". But maybe we are on a time loop-de-loop. And Ben has always known Sayid and that he is a ruthless killer. Makes sense why he hired him as his personal assassin, right? [size=16]
Ouch....now my brain hurts[/size] :-/
John Locke was shot by Ben, and the island saved him. I think the island saves Ben, and Richard finally sees that Ben is "special". Cannot wait for tonight (west coast girl....).
last night was awesome. i'm not sure what to make of all of it yet, but it was awesome. also answered a lot of non-explicit questions
Quotelast night was awesome. i'm not sure what to make of all of it yet, but it was awesome. also answered a lot of non-explicit questions
Super awesome...and next week looks like it will be crazy :D :D :D
Quotes from the promo for next week's episode, "Dead is Dead":
"I broke the rules John."
"I came back to the Island to be judged."
"Be grateful your still alive." (*Penny? Desmond?)
"What's about to come out of that jungle, is something I can't control."
:D :o :-? :D :o :-? :D :o :-?
Quote
Yes....but they said that was due to the actress not wanting to be associated with being "older". Ick. Not sure if that is totally true
Looks like Carlton and Damon tried to throw her under a bus. They finally admitted that it was a writing error. Lame.
QuoteQuoteQuoteProof that the Muppets were truly magical.
:D
QuoteI'm guessing it was either Claire or a mess up in editing.
I just do not see Lost making that big of a production error, this late in the game. But who knows? I did not notice it when I originally watched the episode (I guess you had to watch it in HD to catch the figure...which I did a few days later online, and it is a trip). Right before that scene, the door opens to a gust of wind, obvious whisps of smoke float into the room, and then a strange figure is seen behind Sun.....seems like an Easter Egg to me.
They admitted to the gaffe with Charlotte's birthday
What gaffe with Charlotte's birthday did I miss?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteProof that the Muppets were truly magical.
:D
QuoteI'm guessing it was either Claire or a mess up in editing.
I just do not see Lost making that big of a production error, this late in the game. But who knows? I did not notice it when I originally watched the episode (I guess you had to watch it in HD to catch the figure...which I did a few days later online, and it is a trip). Right before that scene, the door opens to a gust of wind, obvious whisps of smoke float into the room, and then a strange figure is seen behind Sun.....seems like an Easter Egg to me.
They admitted to the gaffe with Charlotte's birthday
What gaffe with Charlotte's birthday did I miss?
Her character is 28, but Daniel Faraday spoke to her in 1974. Doesn't add up to the timeline:
http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/03/lost-exclusive.html
Thanks, Missed that with all the other stuff going on.
QuoteQuotelast night was awesome. i'm not sure what to make of all of it yet, but it was awesome. also answered a lot of non-explicit questions
Super awesome...and next week looks like it will be crazy :D :D :D
Quotes from the promo for next week's episode, "Dead is Dead":
"I broke the rules John."
"I came back to the Island to be judged."
"Be grateful your still alive." (*Penny? Desmond?)
"What's about to come out of that jungle, is something I can't control."
:D :o :-? :D :o :-? :D :o :-?
Awesome. Our DVR cut off the majority of the upcoming parts. I just saw the "I broke the rules, John" part, but we knew that thanks to Christian.
I assume the smoke monster is what comes out of the jungle.
Question in futility:
Do you think everything that happened with Ben as a child happened exactly as it was supposed to/always has happened, or do you think everyone changed the past?
I can't wait to see what happens to people to make them "others".
Yes everything happened as it was supposed to.
I'm sticking to that until I see different cuz it will just make my head hurt trying to fathom the fuck up in the space time continium if someone changed the past.
QuoteYes everything happened as it was supposed to.
I'm sticking to that until I see different cuz it will just make my head hurt trying to fathom the fuck up in the space time continium if someone changed the past.
;D
I'm assuming that Richard knew what was going to happen to ben when he seen him in the woods and told ben he had to wait to join the others. But how? He knew exactly who he was when they brought Ben to him. So I am also assuming it all happened the way it was supposed to.
QuoteI'm assuming that Richard knew what was going to happen to ben when he seen him in the woods and told ben he had to wait to join the others. But how? He knew exactly who he was when they brought Ben to him. So I am also assuming it all happened the way it was supposed to.
i think this hinges on whether or not Richard's timeline is linear or not. Or maybe he's from Tralfalmadore and he sees the world in 4 dimensions.
QuoteQuoteQuotelast night was awesome. i'm not sure what to make of all of it yet, but it was awesome. also answered a lot of non-explicit questions
Super awesome...and next week looks like it will be crazy :D :D :D
Quotes from the promo for next week's episode, "Dead is Dead":
"I broke the rules John."
"I came back to the Island to be judged."
"Be grateful your still alive." (*Penny? Desmond?)
"What's about to come out of that jungle, is something I can't control."
:D :o :-? :D :o :-? :D :o :-?
Awesome. Our DVR cut off the majority of the upcoming parts. I just saw the "I broke the rules, John" part, but we knew that thanks to Christian.
I assume the smoke monster is what comes out of the jungle.
Question in futility:
Do you think everything that happened with Ben as a child happened exactly as it was supposed to/always has happened, or do you think everyone changed the past?
I can't wait to see what happens to people to make them "others".
I am with mjk in the belief that what happened, happened. I am not sure if the who changes though:-?. What I mean is, are the losties acting as proxies in the past? Perhaps because Ben broke the rules?
And it seems like Ben is referring to smoky in the last quote. But smoky perplexes me......it seems to appear in different forms and with different purposes (there is tree destroyer smokey, whispy smokey and huge cloud of smokey. Smokey has scanned, or judged, and/or killed some characters but we don't know why it chooses to do what it does when it does it.....). Is there more than one aspect to smokey? And Ben can't control it when it is in judgment mode? Because it sure seemed like he summoned smokey to kill Keamy and the mercenaries. Arghhh...I have to wait 2 more hours for tonight's episode :-[
Quote
I can't wait to see what happens to people to make them "others".
Me too! Locke was my favorite character for a long time. But Richard is very intriguing.....
Perhaps it is the eyeliner ;D
Well...that episode was pretty awesome..!!
The eyeliner is pretty amazing. I could never pull off that look. I'd come across as a reject from Clockwork Orange or a flambouyant "bear". eww
Now question this, how the hell is Charles (and I think some of the "others") aging on the island and Richard isn't. hmmmm maybe it IS the magical eyeliner. The Hieroglyphics where interesting and I wish I knew what the hell they meant. The smokie scene was good.
QuoteThe eyeliner is pretty amazing. I could never pull off that look. I'd come across as a reject from Clockwork Orange or a flambouyant "bear". eww
;D ;D ;D
That episode was amazing! Ben scared of Locke? Classic!
Time for a series that occurs when I'm bored called "Choder's Conjectures"
Widmore doesn't age because he wasn't an "Other" originally, he was military and was "converted". Richard is something different altogether.
Locke is officially an "Other"; he is officially "special enough" for the Island. He doesn't remember leaving the coffin for the same reasons Ben doesn't really remember being saved by the Others.
When Locke was confronted with his father and what not a few seasons ago, that was Smokey testing him and judging him, like Ben faced with Alex.
Awesome plot, I thought the acting was sub-par for some reason
I have been waiting for a long time for a Miles episode.
Locke is the new Ben.
Ben will die by the end of this season I think, unfortunately.
If Sun finds her husband Jin, he will be 30 years older than she would expect him to be. Time travel warps the brain.
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I'm not so sure Faraday is dead... :o
kereect. And it looks like next week some Temple time.
QuoteI'm not so sure Faraday is dead... :o
I don't know about that yet. I am thinking he is our "major-ish" fatality. Which leaves us with a "major" character dying before the season ends. Dead is Dead, right? Unless Richard (or the Island) feels that Daniel is essential to the mission (whatever that may be). Was nice to get sooooo many answers last night, though.
Anyone else think that the commercials have gotten longer and the show has gotten shorter? I was so ready for another hour last night! :-[
And game on, right? Eloise and Charles have no idea what is going to happen next. Same with Ben. Something has changed.........
Quotekereect. And it looks like next week some Temple time.
With Sayid! :o We get to find out what he has been up to.....
Is it Wednesday yet?
2 hour of brain blowing awesome mind fuckage will ensue in 22 hours.
Is it Wednesday yet? ;)
QuoteIs it Wednesday yet? ;)
Is it 8PM Central Time yet? ugh today is gonna draaaaaaag.
ummmmm. holyfuckingshit
Mind is definitely blown.
2010...... It's gonna be a LONG wait!!!!
Quoteummmmm. holyfuckingshit
ditto.....
I am going to need some time to digest all this.....
2 Lockes
Jacob
H-Bomb
Jacob's enemy (locke incarnate?)
:o :o :o :o :o
so any time somebody saw a person from their past on the island it was this locke/jacob's enemy guy?
Wow. Who wants to bet they go back to when the black rock shows up?
QuoteWow. Who wants to bet they go back to when the black rock shows up?
good point....with all that happened to think about i forget about the ship in the in the opening scene ::)
Quoteso any time somebody saw a person from their past on the island it was this locke/jacob's enemy guy?
I'm thinking that was actually Jacob. Could be wrong.
I'm thinking the main characters won't be in season 6 too much. It's going to be mostly about the past...Black Rock, statue, Jacob's life...etc... The last episode will be all of them getting off the plane and not knowing each other like it would have been if they didn't crash.. That is my theory. Oh, and Adam and Eve are Rose and Bernard. No question.
QuoteI'm thinking the main characters won't be in season 6 too much. It's going to be mostly about the past...Black Rock, statue, Jacob's life...etc... The last episode will be all of them getting off the plane and not knowing each other like it would have been if they didn't crash.. That is my theory. Oh, and Adam and Eve are Rose and Bernard. No question.
It's the last season, the main characters will be in it plenty. I also don't think the last episode will end like that. Even if they all got off the plane they would still remember everything that happened to them.
QuoteQuoteI'm thinking the main characters won't be in season 6 too much. It's going to be mostly about the past...Black Rock, statue, Jacob's life...etc... The last episode will be all of them getting off the plane and not knowing each other like it would have been if they didn't crash.. That is my theory. Oh, and Adam and Eve are Rose and Bernard. No question.
It's the last season, the main characters will be in it plenty. I also don't think the last episode will end like that. Even if they all got off the plane they would still remember everything that happened to them.
We will have to fight about this in person... and 'I' will be the one laughing when I am right...like I always am... ;) :-*
I do believe the main characters will be in it of course... They are what keeps the shows ratings in some cases... But, not as much as they are in any other season..They already showed everything that needs to be known about all of them.
QuoteI do believe the main characters will be in it of course... They are what keeps the shows ratings in some cases... But, not as much as they are in any other season..They already showed everything that needs to be known about all of them.
You can give me that 100 bucks any time. Or we could wait....
QuoteThey already showed everything that needs to be known about all of them.
Well...everything but why they are all on the island in the first place. Hell, the only preview we have for season 6 shows Jacks eye (It's basically been confirmed it is his) and the words "Destiny Found". Like I said, you could pay me any time. ;D :-*
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http://twitter.com/lostpedia
QuoteQuoteThey already showed everything that needs to be known about all of them.
Well...everything but why they are all on the island in the first place. Hell, the only preview we have for season 6 shows Jacks eye (It's basically been confirmed it is his) and the words "Destiny Found". Like I said, you could pay me any time. ;D :-*
Remember how in season one, almost every episode started with someone's eye? I think season 6 will echo this idea. Just a thought.....
I do think that Jack and Kate will be pivotal characters until the end. And we do have confirmation that Vincent will be in the finale. Beyond that, I think Ghostess has a point that we will be visiting the history of the island.
I hope Clancy (Highlander, Carnivale's Brother Justin) Brown's character comes back. We saw him in a flashback scene in the finale. He's too good of an actor to only play a bit role in the series.
The remaining mysteries to be explored are Jacob, the island origin, the statue........ This is the south seas so that statue could be an ancient polynesian idol. Perhaps the ancient religion(s) of the south seas area will tie into this somehow. In the opening scene last week the man talking to Jacob on the beach said something related to the affect of the sailing ships crew landing to be a bad thing as in plummeting the islands resources. The smoke monster may not appreciate this.
QuoteThe remaining mysteries to be explored are Jacob, the island origin, the statue........ This is the south seas so that statue could be an ancient polynesian idol. Perhaps the ancient religion(s) of the south seas area will tie into this somehow. In the opening scene last week the man talking to Jacob on the beach said something related to the affect of the sailing ships crew landing to be a bad thing as in plummeting the islands resources. The smoke monster may not appreciate this.
I'll wager that the mysterious man talking to Jacob at the beginning of the finale will be back in a short arc. He's too good of an actor (Titus Welliver, who played Silas Adams on Deadwood) to only have a tiny role in a short set-up scene.
http://blog.lostpedia.com/2009/05/lost-rewatch.html
I watched the first 4 this week and it's pretty cool to go back and see the show with what you know now. 4 episodes per week will bring you right to the premier in January!
Episode 1 from the next season is called "LA X"
Thoughts?
They are apparently not going to show clips and such as previews as they are afraid it will give away too much.
However apparently they showed a clip at some Com recently where they showed Locke looking over his shoulder, all hells breaking loose, and Knights of Cydonia kicked in.
QuoteThey are apparently not going to show clips and such as previews as they are afraid it will give away too much.
However apparently they showed a clip at some Com recently where they showed Locke looking over his shoulder, all hells breaking loose, and Knights of Cydonia kicked in.
I want to see that clip!!!! Yowza!!!!
From Damon:
"It's all coming to an end, whether you like it or not, next may."
I can't wait, but am sad that it is indeed, coming to an end :'(
Awesome
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXnAaTFlRw8
Just finished the re-watch, seasons 1-4. picked up a few things missed & forgotten. recommend doing it if u have the time, i was reading that the olympics will force them to take a few weeks off mid season. :(
QuoteJust finished the re-watch, seasons 1-4. picked up a few things missed & forgotten. recommend doing it if u have the time, i was reading that the olympics will force them to take a few weeks off mid season. :(
Just about done with season 2, then on to season 3 re-watch. I have taken to crafting (some pretty awesome feather hair clips, if I do say so myself) and watching LOST in our "computer" room. I forgot how much happened in season 2! And how awesome it was to see Rose and Bernard find each other again (love them). And meet Henry Gale for the first time. And to see, from very early on in the flashbacks, how interwoven their stories are.....I freaking love this show. I will be so sad to have it come to an end (even though I know it has to end at some point).
QuoteQuoteJust finished the re-watch, seasons 1-4. picked up a few things missed & forgotten. recommend doing it if u have the time, i was reading that the olympics will force them to take a few weeks off mid season. :(
Just about done with season 2, then on to season 3 re-watch. I have taken to crafting (some pretty awesome feather hair clips, if I do say so myself) and watching LOST in our "computer" room. I forgot how much happened in season 2! And how awesome it was to see Rose and Bernard find each other again (love them). And meet Henry Gale for the first time. And to see, from very early on in the flashbacks, how interwoven their stories are.....I freaking love this show. I will be so sad to have it come to an end (even though I know it has to end at some point).
Right On.
If I remember, my wife looked up and Lost is not going into hiatus during the Olympics. I'll have to look again. It would make sense if they did, but I could care less about the winter Olympics
QuoteIf I remember, my wife looked up and Lost is not going into hiatus during the Olympics. I'll have to look again. It would make sense if they did, but I could care less about the winter Olympics
Everything I've heard is that it's going to run straight through, no breaks, because I've had a long enough break.
Though I admit...I fear the ending, not because its over, because I don't know if it could ever be satisfying.
QuoteQuoteIf I remember, my wife looked up and Lost is not going into hiatus during the Olympics. I'll have to look again. It would make sense if they did, but I could care less about the winter Olympics
Everything I've heard is that it's going to run straight through, no breaks, because I've had a long enough break.
Though I admit...I fear the ending, not because its over, because I don't know if it could ever be satisfying.
That's good news! I agree about the fear of the ending not being satisfying.... maybe we all are expecting so much because the show has been so great! No ending could be completely satisfying.
I'm about to start season 5 rewatch!
I hear ya about the ending, but as long as they don't seriously fuck up season 6, this is going to go down as one of the, if not the, greatest show(s) of all time. The story arc on this show is astounding.
QuoteI hear ya about the ending, but as long as they don't seriously fuck up season 6, this is going to go down as one of the, if not the, greatest show(s) of all time. The story arc on this show is astounding.
I hope its more sopranos like, because it lets me go on in bliss believing whatever the hell I want.
Still placing my best on Desmond as the key character over Locke.
Also, any speculation on the meaning of the season premier's title?
QuoteQuoteI hear ya about the ending, but as long as they don't seriously fuck up season 6, this is going to go down as one of the, if not the, greatest show(s) of all time. The story arc on this show is astounding.
I hope its more sopranos like, because it lets me go on in bliss believing whatever the hell I want.
Still placing my best on Desmond as the key character over Locke.
Also, any speculation on the meaning of the season premier's title?
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that it's going to have a definitive ending, unlike the sopranos. No idea about the premeres title, other than the name "LA X", the space between a and x is intentional.
just noticed that separation w/ the X in the title. maybe they will explain how jacob traveled to and interacted with everyone over the years. not that has anything to do with the episode title, it's just something i want to know early on!
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I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that it's going to have a definitive ending, unlike the sopranos.
Definitive ending? They say yes. Will people like it? Remains to be seen. Damon & Carlton have said, many times, that they will be unavailable for comment after the finale. They know it will be controversial and ending this show will hurt purely because the ride is over (again, even though it has to have an end). It always has had an end and I am excited to see season 6 bring it all full circle!
Oh and after watching season 2, I really, truly, deeply hope that they bring back Mr. Eko. As a ghost, flashback, vision, whateves. He is awesome.
He's on the official season 6 poster. So are Boone and Shannon.
Also, if you haven't seen the poster, it has all of them standing there, but locke has his back turned. They said everything about the poster is intentional.
1) Locke isn't Locke anymore, so perhaps that's why he's turned his back on everyone? He's no longer helping anyone but himself
2) Juliette is no longer a cast member, but is a recurring character
3) I too heard that about Eko, Boone, and Shannon.
4) I don't care how it ends so long as its not a cop out or halfassed. I don't care if they answer all the questions. I just don't want it to be a topless sawyer having a dream inside one of Hurley's hallucinations.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Reset
21 days! Sounds like a lot of mysteries will be solved in the premier, but I am sure new ones will be created:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60B5NZ20100112?type=entertainmentNews
and Libby is back (in some form or another...) :o
Saving watching "The Incident" until a day or 2 before the premier. Have a feeling we are going to see Jacob/Smokey and the Black Rock in episode 1.
So excited about this. I.Cannot.Wait!
So far the only promo of non-recycled shots:
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WHAT CAN IT POSSIBLY MEAN?
QuoteSo far the only promo of non-recycled shots:
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WHAT CAN IT POSSIBLY MEAN?
You don't know what it means? Haven't you seen The Da Vinci Code? DUHHHHHHHHH
QuoteQuoteSo far the only promo of non-recycled shots:
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WHAT CAN IT POSSIBLY MEAN?
You don't know what it means? Haven't you seen The Da Vinci Code? DUHHHHHHHHH
Other shows (The Sopranos for one) have done a Last Supper inspired shot before their final season. I don't think it should be read into too deeply but there are some themes that do correlate.......
Resurrection, redemption, faith vs. science, the temple (which I am dying to learn more about), good vs. evil, the faults/sins of mankind, etc...
QuoteQuoteQuoteSo far the only promo of non-recycled shots:
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WHAT CAN IT POSSIBLY MEAN?
You don't know what it means? Haven't you seen The Da Vinci Code? DUHHHHHHHHH
Other shows (The Sopranos for one) have done a Last Supper inspired shot before their final season. I don't think it should be read into too deeply but there are some themes that do correlate.......
Resurrection, redemption, faith vs. science, the temple (which I am dying to learn more about), good vs. evil, the faults/sins of mankind, etc...
Battlestar did as well
Except with LOST, I find it hard to believe that anything involved is anecdotal at best. Everything is for a reason...
Is it unnatural to be really attached to a show? I know it will be a waterfall of tears when it's over.
I can't wait. I don't want to make predictions or scope out any theories beforehand, I just want to watch and enjoy.
QuoteIs it unnatural to be really attached to a show?
No, not at all ;)
Let the countdown begin...16 days until the premier:
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I was just watching season 1, and it all clicked. Well, not all of it. But on the second disc, the episode about Locke, when Jack sees his dad in the woods, a lightbulb went off regarding Lock & Destiny.
Locke was leaving Australia because he was denied his walkabout, where he was to become one with the earth. He was denied, after loudly yelling "this is my destiny".
Well he was right. It was his destiny, but not yet...the Island is literally his walkabout.
He has become the island and thus fulfilled his destiny as being one with the earth.
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/final_season_of_lost_promises_to
QuoteI was just watching season 1, and it all clicked. Well, not all of it. But on the second disc, the episode about Locke, when Jack sees his dad in the woods, a lightbulb went off regarding Lock & Destiny.
Locke was leaving Australia because he was denied his walkabout, where he was to become one with the earth. He was denied, after loudly yelling "this is my destiny".
Well he was right. It was his destiny, but not yet...the Island is literally his walkabout.
He has become the island and thus fulfilled his destiny as being one with the earth.
Nice.
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14 days
12 Days.......
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Watching season 5 now...
Quote12 Days.......
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mmm.... i love doughnuts!
Well I have been too busy for a proper count down, but 6 days kids! I am so excited! I am so excited! I am so excited! I am so excited! I am so excited! I am so excited! I am so excited! I am so excited!
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The trailer they used last night was very interesting.
Like the tidbit that Jacob's tapestry had Egyptian & Greek writing on it, plus quotes from the Odyssey.
QuoteLike the tidbit that Jacob's tapestry had Egyptian & Greek writing on it, plus quotes from the Odyssey.
Was it the true Iliad-Odyssey or were they quoting from James Joyce' Ulysses, which has appeared before, and explains Desmond.
this is what was in the pop up from the blog the incident:
Pop Up translates the tapestry (written in Greek, not hieroglypics) in the foot for us (our DVR crapped out so we couldn't rewind, so please let us know if we've remembered this incorrectly): The first two lines of the tapestry are from Homer's Odyssey. The first is, "May the gods grant you all things which your heart desires." The second is from book 24, and says, "And may the gods grant thee happiness." The third is anonymous and reads, "Only the dead have seen the end of war."
Honest Abe says: "Watch Lost in 5 days muthafuckas"
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http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/01/28/time-travel-in-lost-the-metaphorics-of-predestination/
Enjoy
4 days
Oh and the first 5 minutes of epi 1 have leaked (it was intentional). It's now up on ABC's website. MUST RESIST
it's only 2 mins!
Not watching! Ahhh!
Don't forget about the 1-hour recap episode next Tuesday that airs right before the Season VI premiere.
Lost is so good, it feels like it was produced on HBO or Showtime.
QuoteDon't forget about the 1-hour recap episode next Tuesday that airs right before the Season VI premiere.
Lost is so good, it feels like it was produced on HBO or Showtime.
Too bad it's not, we probably would have seen some Kate boobage by now. 8-)
woah. this thread is 34 pages long. Maybe i should start watching this show
Quotewoah. this thread is 34 pages long. Maybe i should start watching this show
It's one of the best cult shows ever to have a long run "unaltered and free of meddling hands" on network TV (along with King of the Hill and a couple of others). I love this mind-fuck that has never dimmed.
QuoteQuotewoah. this thread is 34 pages long. Maybe i should start watching this show
It's one of the best cult shows ever to have a long run "unaltered and free of meddling hands" on network TV (along with King of the Hill and a couple of others). I love this mind-fuck that has never dimmed.
It's popularity has generated so much hate that's easy to turn people off.
Here's my warning if you do watch it for what you need to look past:
- The special fx can be extremely poorly done as far as modern CGI goes, but then again, this isn't Avatar and it's story-driven first and foremost. Ultimately, you say "that sucked" and then get past it.
- The show is smart, but it has moments that dumb it down, as the producers say, "for your mom to watch". They don't take away from the story, and for every scene with Sawyer's shirt off for no reason, you'll at least get Juliet or Kate in a low cut shirt with a very supportive bra.
- The acting lacks at parts, but usually those scenes for your mom, where the symphony swells and the people kiss and reunite or some bullshit. Again, it doesn't take away from the story.
I recommend it highly, and I had to be convinced of it since I wholly distrust network TV and assume any popular show is totally vapid and devoid of any redeeming qualities. However, this attitude has caused me to miss out on Arrested Development as well, since I assumed no TV show could really be funny without a "git-r-dun" type of humor these days.
... and Ben Linus is one of the best villains in TV history, if he is actually a villain? John Locke is also one of the tube's most compelling characters, with a fitting philosophical outlook.
Quote... and Ben Linus is one of the best villains in TV history, if he is actually a villain? John Locke is also one of the tube's most compelling characters, with a fitting philosophical outlook.
yeah, Ben is awesome.
QuoteQuote... and Ben Linus is one of the best villains in TV history, if he is actually a villain? John Locke is also one of the tube's most compelling characters, with a fitting philosophical outlook.
yeah, Ben is awesome.
Yes he is.
Dylan, knowing your love of Twin Peaks, I think you would love this show. It's got enough creepy elements that will appeal to the Peaker in you, along with suspense.
QuoteQuoteDon't forget about the 1-hour recap episode next Tuesday that airs right before the Season VI premiere.
Lost is so good, it feels like it was produced on HBO or Showtime.
Too bad it's not, we probably would have seen some Kate boobage by now. 8-)
u said boobage....i actually started watching the preview but stopped, must wait...namaste..
Quotewoah. this thread is 34 pages long. Maybe i should start watching this show
the show is pretty fucking awesome. hot chicks, mystery. it's kind of like a really high budget soap opera about the human condition.
so lost is on tuesday's this season?
I'll check it out, but the words/phrases "cgi", "soap opera", and "vast popularity" have me a little skeptical.
Putting season 1 on my netflix queue.
QuoteI'll check it out, but the words/phrases "cgi", "soap opera", and "vast popularity" have me a little skeptical.
Putting season 1 on my netflix queue.
Lost doesn't have vast popularity of a House or Desperate Housewives, but it has a fervent genre-loving fan base. If you don't like imaginative drama of the cult variety, then this isn't for you. I wouldn't call it a soap since the name alone often gives off a negative connotation, but it is an arc show a la Battlestar Galactica, Buffy, DS9, X-Files etc... meaning, you have to watch every crazy episode. Actually, Lost sometimes resembles the desperate bleak brilliance that is the original Planet of the Apes, but without Chuck Heston and the apes.
Lost is shrouded in mythology and weird and wild time-jumping story-arcs. The show is also unafraid to kill characters off. As for CGI, it's fairly well done regarding the monster and a few other creatures and that fucking plane-crash in the pilot was extremely well done. Lost is JJ Abrams' baby, and he knows what he is doing (Alias, Star Trek).
I must say that if you don't have an HD-TV, then the impact of the cinematography will be obviously lessened. Lost is one of the best looking shows on TV today.
QuoteQuoteI'll check it out, but the words/phrases "cgi", "soap opera", and "vast popularity" have me a little skeptical.
Putting season 1 on my netflix queue.
Lost doesn't have vast popularity of a House or Desperate Housewives, but it has a fervent genre-loving fan base. If you don't like imaginative drama of the cult variety, then this isn't for you. I wouldn't call it a soap since the name alone often gives off a negative connotation, but it is an arc show a la Battlestar Galactica, Buffy, DS9, X-Files etc... meaning, you have to watch every crazy episode. Actually, Lost sometimes resembles the desperate bleak brilliance that is the original Planet of the Apes, but without Chuck Heston and the apes.
Lost is shrouded in mythology and weird and wild time-jumping story-arcs. The show is also unafraid to kill characters off. As for CGI, it's fairly well done regarding the monster and a few other creatures and that fucking plane-crash in the pilot was extremely well done. Lost is JJ Abrams' baby, and he knows what he is doing (Alias, Star Trek).
I must say that if you don't have an HD-TV, then the impact of the cinematography will be obviously lessened. Lost is one of the best looking shows on TV today.
There are two special effects moments that stand out to me as being just awful. The first, without spoiling it for people who may watch it, is what happens after Locke turns the wheel. The second is the very end of the last episode, where they follow the debris going into the well.
It just looked fake.
Otherwise, Soap Opera gives the impression that everything going on is somewhat absurd and improbable. While LOST may seem unlikely, the whole premise is that it's all technically plausible and causally related.
So, aMD if you're interested in themes that play out on free will vs destiny, faith vs science, social contract theory, and quantum mechanics, you may enjoy LOST.
Like any good series, there are certain episodes that are so frakkin awesome that they stand alone as well, regardless if you know what's going on (The Constant comes to mind, or 33 in BSG)
As for things looking fake, if I let that bother me, I would have missed watching some of my favourite cult shows: the reboot of Doctor Who, Torchwood, BSG, Farscape, DS9, Babylon 5, X-Files, Buffy/Angel/Firefly and my all-time fav guilty pleasure, Xena (although it was meant to be tonge-in-cheek).
the main reason I said the show is sort of like a soap opera is because it's main focus is character development, for most of it. not a whole lot happens every episode at first that you are aware of, it snowballs as the roller coaster ride starts going.
It definitely stands up against other great shows of the last decade like "The Wire" or "Breaking Bad" acting wise. Lost is pretty original so it's hard to compare to anything. There's only really one CGI thing that stands out as kind of horrible. and it's that one scene with Ben late in the series.
Quotethe main reason I said the show is sort of like a soap opera is because it's main focus is character development, for most of it. not a whole lot happens every episode at first that you are aware of, it snowballs as the roller coaster ride starts going.
It definitely stands up against other great shows of the last decade like "The Wire" or "Breaking Bad" acting wise. Lost is pretty original so it's hard to compare to anything. There's only really one CGI thing that stands out as kind of horrible. and it's that one scene with Ben late in the series.
It has great acting and I love seeing key guest appearances from actors from other quality shows I worship such as Carnivale, Farscape and Deadwood. Oh, and Cheech Marin is a hoot in Lost.
QuoteQuotethe main reason I said the show is sort of like a soap opera is because it's main focus is character development, for most of it. not a whole lot happens every episode at first that you are aware of, it snowballs as the roller coaster ride starts going.
It definitely stands up against other great shows of the last decade like "The Wire" or "Breaking Bad" acting wise. Lost is pretty original so it's hard to compare to anything. There's only really one CGI thing that stands out as kind of horrible. and it's that one scene with Ben late in the series.
It has great acting and I love seeing key guest appearances from actors from other quality shows I worship such as Carnivale, Farscape and Deadwood. Oh, and Cheech Marin is a hoot in Lost.
yeah I love that Cheech Marin is in it. he's a bad ass.
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Is it 8 pm yet? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
My Lost party tonight seems to be losing a few participants (there's some kind of flu blug going around), but that means more wine for me! I do have to work tomorrow at 7am, so keep that in mind when I respond to this thread in the morning.
can not wait for tonight. it's felt like forever since the show started and now it's almost over. bitter sweet, but mostly sweet.
will watch it on dvr @ 11pm est, no commercials!!!,cant wait! :D
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HA! ;D
Haha yet another parallel universe to add to the mix.
QuoteHaha yet another parallel universe to add to the mix.
this is the first, actually. As in, the first time they are 2 places at the same time.
QuoteQuoteHaha yet another parallel universe to add to the mix.
this is the first, actually. As in, the first time they are 2 places at the same time.
Aside from Juliet's statement, how do we know that's not a flash forward?
I'm wondering now if, absent the island, they're going to be each others' salvation. Jack saves Locke, Sawyer helps Kate escape, etc.
Then I'm wondering what the fck was up with Desmond and Shannon, since Des wasn't on the plane initially and Shannon was, and I thought the reset was only supposed to affect the specific timeline involving the plane in transit and the timeline involving the development of the Swan Hatch.
So breaking it down:
Juliet's hitting the bomb was supposed to prevent the creation of the hatch, removing Desmond's necessity to enter the code and his failure to do so that caused the plane to crash.
I guess from there we're supposed to infer that the electromagnetic anomaly was no more, and Desmond never got lost while sailing?
I guess the one person whose timeline is most affected is Desmonds by that logic. I wonder how this caused Shannon to not board the plane.
True to form, they answered a little and created more questions.
So Locke is the man in black (which we kind of knew last epi), He is Smokey so we know who Smokey is, he's rooted to the island unlike Jacob, and he's very angry as he wants to go home, and Richard was his prisoner at some point.
QuoteTrue to form, they answered a little and created more questions.
So Locke is the man in black (which we kind of knew last epi), He is Smokey so we know who Smokey is, he's rooted to the island unlike Jacob, and he's very angry as he wants to go home, and Richard was his prisoner at some point.
Richard was a prisoner or a slave on the Black Rock? Or is that a meaningless distinction?
Was Hippie Frank Zappa in the temple in a prior episode?
QuoteQuoteTrue to form, they answered a little and created more questions.
So Locke is the man in black (which we kind of knew last epi), He is Smokey so we know who Smokey is, he's rooted to the island unlike Jacob, and he's very angry as he wants to go home, and Richard was his prisoner at some point.
Richard was a prisoner or a slave on the Black Rock? Or is that a meaningless distinction?
Was Hippie Frank Zappa in the temple in a prior episode?
I hope it has some purpose and is not a red herring. The whole temple thing was slightly Kurtzian. I do not remember seeing that guy before.
I theorize Syid is the new Jacob and Hurly is going to play a MASSIVE part in all of this...other then the adorable butt of Sawyer's jokes.
from our local paper's website
http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/tube-talk/tube-talk/2010/02/lost-much-more-thoughts-on-la-space-x/
QuoteQuoteQuoteTrue to form, they answered a little and created more questions.
So Locke is the man in black (which we kind of knew last epi), He is Smokey so we know who Smokey is, he's rooted to the island unlike Jacob, and he's very angry as he wants to go home, and Richard was his prisoner at some point.
Richard was a prisoner or a slave on the Black Rock? Or is that a meaningless distinction?
Was Hippie Frank Zappa in the temple in a prior episode?
I hope it has some purpose and is not a red herring. The whole temple thing was slightly Kurtzian. I do not remember seeing that guy before.
I theorize Syid is the new Jacob and Hurly is going to play a MASSIVE part in all of this...other then the adorable butt of Sawyer's jokes.
Yes, I think Sayid is whatever Jacob is now. Obviously Locke isn't Locke, at least they made that clear (finally). It's going to be a battle, perhaps of good and evil?
Hurley is going to be manipulated by both sides, whoever loses will have to seek him out (or Miles) in order to find a host body. In fact, I believe that's what Ben's role might have been previously...Jacob used him to kill Locke back in the real world.
I'm waiting for the Widmore/Hanso connections to come out soon.
QuoteI'm waiting for the Widmore/Hanso connections to come out soon.
That's for making my head heard. Dammit more connections.
I just came to the realization that it's (so far) impossible to have two timelines since in the "corrected" world the island is underwater, but its clear that in the "uncorrected world" the island isn't.
Perhaps they're all "desmonds" now?
If they didn't correct, then if they left, the island must "free" them
Also, I hereby state my new hypothesis (which will probably be wrong and is overly analytical)
Richard's "chains" were his duty to the island, similar to Michael's. His duty was to protect Jacob, and now that Jacob is dead, Richard is now mortal.
QuoteAlso, I hereby state my new hypothesis (which will probably be wrong and is overly analytical)
Richard's "chains" were his duty to the island, similar to Michael's. His duty was to protect Jacob, and now that Jacob is dead, Richard is now mortal.
good theory. Upon second viewing I noticed that hurleys shirt is the same color as the clothes that the temple "others" are, as well as the plants in the temple are.
Also, the conversation they are going to have with Jack is going to deal with his father.
QuoteAlso, the conversation they are going to have with Jack is going to deal with his father.
That's what I thought too. We'll find out why he's so special (Christian, that is)
I also have this nagging suspicion that Claire actually died the first time she ran off with Ethan and remained an apparition thereafter, or something similar. That's why she could see Christian.
something i may have missed along the way... it's strange how suprised richard & ben are at that locke is really smokey locke. didn't or shouldn't they have know all along that could take other forms? i mean ben saw him become alex right in front of him at the temple when he had to be judged right?
I'm not a fan of the two story lines. Either the H-bomb worked or it didn't. I know they wanted to make everyone happy, but it's just lame to me. I am interested in how they will reconcile two different realities coming together to tell one truth.
QuoteI'm not a fan of the two story lines. Either the H-bomb worked or it didn't. I know they wanted to make everyone happy, but it's just lame to me. I am interested in how they will reconcile two different realities coming together to tell one truth.
I think whether or not I like this season/series will hinge on this very fact as well. I am fully prepared to be extremely disappointed in the finale.
The only consolation I have is that they've made a decent effort to avoid the kitschy type things or obvious answers. I doubt there's going to be a wormhole that the island went through and allowed two timelines.
QuoteI just came to the realization that it's (so far) impossible to have two timelines since in the "corrected" world the island is underwater, but its clear that in the "uncorrected world" the island isn't.
Perhaps they're all "desmonds" now?
If they didn't correct, then if they left, the island must "free" them
I really am not sure how they will rectify the 2 timelines, but Damon and Carlton are calling them side-flashes. Since we have had flashbacks and flashforwards, one can only assume that the 2 timelines are somewhat tandem. But....how does that explain that flight 815 was in 2004 and they are all now in 2007 on the island?
Isn't it still 1977 on the island
QuoteQuoteI just came to the realization that it's (so far) impossible to have two timelines since in the "corrected" world the island is underwater, but its clear that in the "uncorrected world" the island isn't.
Perhaps they're all "desmonds" now?
If they didn't correct, then if they left, the island must "free" them
I really am not sure how they will rectify the 2 timelines, but Damon and Carlton are calling them side-flashes. Since we have had flashbacks and flashforwards, one can only assume that the 2 timelines are somewhat tandem. But....how does that explain that flight 815 was in 2004 and they are all now in 2007 on the island?
1) I did not know they were called side flashes, and that is very interesting
2) Which is why your second point is even more interesting. I must meditate on this one because it is a very interesting point.
How do we know it is 2007 on the island? I thought it was just after the hatch explodes a few weeks after they arrived
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How do we know it is 2007 on the island? I thought it was just after the hatch explodes a few weeks after they arrived
Hurley saw and spoke with Jacob, who said he had been dead for an hour. Flocke and crew are in 2007 (3 years off island)....
QuoteIsn't it still 1977 on the island
No, the bomb bumped them through time, and things are different since 1977 (which somehow would explain how Hurley feels he is lucky, instead of cursed in the alternate timeline). 2 dimensions at work here, imo, but in a weird way. I have no idea where this ride is taking us, but I know we will still get answers
and new questions every week :o
they are having another pop-up episode next week @ 8, lax part 2...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-1qzelSWpE
Excellent episode
confusing but excellent
i didn't like it. it didn't do much until the last 5 mins
also, was Mac really in the show before?
The pill was green, another Alice In Wonderland refrence? Is the pill supposed to make it impossible for Jacob to inhabit Syid's body. I'm convinced more and more that Jacob isn't any better than the man in black. Mabey the fireworks weren't supposed to signal something bad but something good.
Quotei didn't like it. it didn't do much until the last 5 mins
also, was Mac really in the show before?
yes Mac was Aldo on a previous episode..there is an extra on the Sunny DVD's where the producers of Lost introduce them at Comic Con in San Diego and talk about bringing Aldo back.
Ethan is Claire's doctor, thats creepy. So if Jacob possessed (or whatever) Sayid, and the Smoke Monster possessed Locke, then who is using Claire's body? Dogen told Jack that whatever is happening to Sayid is the same thing that happened to Claire right? I'm starting to think this whole series is just going to turn out to be a major freaking mind job, I love it though.
ps- I'm new to the board and I think its awesome you guys started a Lost thread, mmj fans are the coolest
QuoteEthan is Claire's doctor, thats creepy. So if Jacob possessed (or whatever) Sayid, and the Smoke Monster possessed Locke, then who is using Claire's body? Dogen told Jack that whatever is happening to Sayid is the same thing that happened to Claire right? I'm starting to think this whole series is just going to turn out to be a major freaking mind job, I love it though.
ps- I'm new to the board and I think its awesome you guys started a Lost thread, mmj fans are the coolest
You're welcome. 8-)
Just kiddin'. Welcome to the boards, MMJ fans ARE the coolest.
shits getting nuts, mac was pretty random, i wish christian would show up again or they would explain who inhabits him now...oh and ghosts is there anyway you could make me an avatar of wilford brimley shooting the bow when hes riding the horse?
QuoteQuoteEthan is Claire's doctor, thats creepy. So if Jacob possessed (or whatever) Sayid, and the Smoke Monster possessed Locke, then who is using Claire's body? Dogen told Jack that whatever is happening to Sayid is the same thing that happened to Claire right? I'm starting to think this whole series is just going to turn out to be a major freaking mind job, I love it though.
ps- I'm new to the board and I think its awesome you guys started a Lost thread, mmj fans are the coolest
You're welcome. 8-)
Just kiddin'. Welcome to the boards, MMJ fans ARE the coolest.
Keep in mind, the time line was reset to just after Des blew up the hatch. Claire was still alive at that point so she is now alive again. The "blackness" that is in her, I have no clue who that is. As far as who possessed her in the previous timeline, that is a $1MM question as well and it the same as the current timeline. Is Jacob really the good guy or is the Man In Black (Not Johnny Cash) the good guy?
Oddball moment for me. When Jack was talking to the asain man about the pill and stuff, the only thing that was running through my mind was this.
What is that?
Antidote.
For what?
The poison you just drank Dr Jones. Muhahahahahaha
The poison works fast Dr Jones. Muhahahah
And it wasn't the Harrison Ford version, but the Family Guy/Peter Griffin version.
I'm thinking that Jacob is Dayman, fighter of the Nightman. That's why mac is there.
They really should have called this show "WTF?" I'm so confused.
I think the Lost people should sell a little recorder that plays 6 or 7 different creepy "Lost" violin/cello sounds. I want to carry it around and point it at my wife and play it every time she says something. The button could even look like a the button from the hatch. I really need to find a way to get paid for these wonderful ideas. ::)
QuoteI'm thinking that Jacob is Dayman, fighter of the Nightman. That's why mac is there.
;D
QuoteThey really should have called this show "WTF?" I'm so confused.
I think the Lost people should sell a little recorder that plays 6 or 7 different creepy "Lost" violin/cello sounds. I want to carry it around and point it at my wife and play it every time she says something. The button could even look like a the button from the hatch. I really need to find a way to get paid for these wonderful ideas. ::)
YES!
QuoteThey really should have called this show "WTF?" I'm so confused.
I think the Lost people should sell a little recorder that plays 6 or 7 different creepy "Lost" violin/cello sounds. I want to carry it around and point it at my wife and play it every time she says something. The button could even look like a the button from the hatch. I really need to find a way to get paid for these wonderful ideas. ::)
Hahahahaha!!!! ;D ;D ;D
I am wondering how this show will end. Obviously they are building to something cool, but right now I'm kinda confused. How will they resolve the current timeline in LA and the timeline on the island after the bomb blew?
QuoteQuoteThey really should have called this show "WTF?" I'm so confused.
I think the Lost people should sell a little recorder that plays 6 or 7 different creepy "Lost" violin/cello sounds. I want to carry it around and point it at my wife and play it every time she says something. The button could even look like a the button from the hatch. I really need to find a way to get paid for these wonderful ideas. ::)
Hahahahaha!!!! ;D ;D ;D
I am wondering how this show will end. Obviously they are building to something cool, but right now I'm kinda confused. How will they resolve the current timeline in LA and the timeline on the island after the bomb blew?
I admit I'm getting a little frustrated. I'm starting to feel like I've lost the requisite amount of context necessary to maintain a grip on reality.
QuoteQuoteQuoteThey really should have called this show "WTF?" I'm so confused.
I think the Lost people should sell a little recorder that plays 6 or 7 different creepy "Lost" violin/cello sounds. I want to carry it around and point it at my wife and play it every time she says something. The button could even look like a the button from the hatch. I really need to find a way to get paid for these wonderful ideas. ::)
Hahahahaha!!!! ;D ;D ;D
I am wondering how this show will end. Obviously they are building to something cool, but right now I'm kinda confused. How will they resolve the current timeline in LA and the timeline on the island after the bomb blew?
I admit I'm getting a little frustrated. I'm starting to feel like I've lost the requisite amount of context necessary to maintain a grip on reality.
That's such a good way to describe it! It's as though they took out the solid base from which to reference all the weird time travels and what not. I don't have a "constant"...
...Ooop, here comes the nosebleed...
I found this link on my favorite blog (Pop Candy). It is Lost Valentine's Day cards. The Jack one is my favorite. Enjoy!
http://community.livejournal.com/lost_tv/1834341.html#cutid1
I just started watching the first season the day after the new season started- just about finished with it... I'm friggin obsessed... and late to the party but still!
Amazing show isnt it? I used to work in a video store that closed at midnight and I would be kind of wired when I got home around 1230 so I decided to rent Lost just for the heck of it. I was hooooked, I must have watched the first 3 seasons in a week. If it wasnt for the Office on Thursdays and 24 on Mondays I wouldnt be able to make it to Tuesday
Alright last night was a bit better, though now I'm skeptical...it's clear they're going for an "opposite day" type world where Hurley is optimistic, Locke believes in choice and free will and reality, and it has some happy go lucky "life is what you make of it" message.
BAH!
Otherwise, I think Sawyer's getting played, as is Smokey. Smokey thinks that he's won (throwing the stone), and thinks Jacob can't come back because there's no "candidate body" to take over. Little does he know Sayid had just died, and that little boy? That's Jacob appearing (as Aaron?) in the same way Smokey always did.
That's all I've got
QuoteOtherwise, I think Sawyer's getting played, as is Smokey. Smokey thinks that he's won (throwing the stone), and thinks Jacob can't come back because there's no "candidate body" to take over. Little does he know Sayid had just died, and that little boy? That's Jacob appearing (as Aaron?) in the same way Smokey always did.
That's all I've got
That was immediatly what we thought. Kate was missing from the writtings/numbers thing in the cave. Hmmmm, foreshadowing?
QuoteQuoteOtherwise, I think Sawyer's getting played, as is Smokey. Smokey thinks that he's won (throwing the stone), and thinks Jacob can't come back because there's no "candidate body" to take over. Little does he know Sayid had just died, and that little boy? That's Jacob appearing (as Aaron?) in the same way Smokey always did.
That's all I've got
That was immediatly what we thought. Kate was missing from the writtings/numbers thing in the cave. Hmmmm, foreshadowing?
Did jacob ever visit/touch her?
QuoteQuoteQuoteOtherwise, I think Sawyer's getting played, as is Smokey. Smokey thinks that he's won (throwing the stone), and thinks Jacob can't come back because there's no "candidate body" to take over. Little does he know Sayid had just died, and that little boy? That's Jacob appearing (as Aaron?) in the same way Smokey always did.
That's all I've got
That was immediatly what we thought. Kate was missing from the writtings/numbers thing in the cave. Hmmmm, foreshadowing?
Did jacob ever visit/touch her?
Yeah. She was younger and tried to steal something form a store. Right? I don't remember the exchange or anything, but I'm sure he visited her.
Last night was a stronger episode than the week before. I was getting tired of the hippie guy in glasses translating for the Asian dude. I'm intrigued by the *sort of* revelation with the numbers. Was Kate's name written on the cave wall?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOtherwise, I think Sawyer's getting played, as is Smokey. Smokey thinks that he's won (throwing the stone), and thinks Jacob can't come back because there's no "candidate body" to take over. Little does he know Sayid had just died, and that little boy? That's Jacob appearing (as Aaron?) in the same way Smokey always did.
That's all I've got
That was immediatly what we thought. Kate was missing from the writtings/numbers thing in the cave. Hmmmm, foreshadowing?
Did jacob ever visit/touch her?
Yeah. She was younger and tried to steal something form a store. Right? I don't remember the exchange or anything, but I'm sure he visited her.
Last night was a stronger episode than the week before. I was getting tired of the hippie guy in glasses translating for the Asian dude. I'm intrigued by the *sort of* revelation with the numbers. Was Kate's name written on the cave wall?
I didn't see it, even crossed out and Jacob did visit her, but I do not remember if he physically touched her like he did the others.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOtherwise, I think Sawyer's getting played, as is Smokey. Smokey thinks that he's won (throwing the stone), and thinks Jacob can't come back because there's no "candidate body" to take over. Little does he know Sayid had just died, and that little boy? That's Jacob appearing (as Aaron?) in the same way Smokey always did.
That's all I've got
That was immediatly what we thought. Kate was missing from the writtings/numbers thing in tCheck out Edward Sharpe and the Magnetic Zeros when you get a chance. Awesome stuff.he cave. Hmmmm, foreshadowing?
Did jacob ever visit/touch her?
Yeah. She was younger and tried to steal something form a store. Right? I don't remember the exchange or anything, but I'm sure he visited her.
Last night was a stronger episode than the week before. I was getting tired of the hippie guy in glasses translating for the Asian dude. I'm intrigued by the *sort of* revelation with the numbers. Was Kate's name written on the cave wall?
I didn't see it, even crossed out and Jacob did visit her, but I do not remember if he physically touched her like he did the others.
Pretty sure he did touch her.
I think there was a little tap on the nose after he bought the lunchbox for her if I remember correctly.
I wonder why Locke is still in the wheelchair in the side flashes... Apparently he has a relationship with his father now because his fiancee made a comment about inviting him to the wedding so obviously he didnt through him out of a window
QuoteQuoteOtherwise, I think Sawyer's getting played, as is Smokey. Smokey thinks that he's won (throwing the stone), and thinks Jacob can't come back because there's no "candidate body" to take over. Little does he know Sayid had just died, and that little boy? That's Jacob appearing (as Aaron?) in the same way Smokey always did.
That's all I've got
That was immediatly what we thought. Kate was missing from the writtings/numbers thing in the cave. Hmmmm, foreshadowing?
Or, he's outright lying. It's not like we saw her name crossed out either. Kate being on the island would be the only possible motivation for Sawyer not to leave.
QuoteQuoteQuoteOtherwise, I think Sawyer's getting played, as is Smokey. Smokey thinks that he's won (throwing the stone), and thinks Jacob can't come back because there's no "candidate body" to take over. Little does he know Sayid had just died, and that little boy? That's Jacob appearing (as Aaron?) in the same way Smokey always did.
That's all I've got
That was immediatly what we thought. Kate was missing from the writtings/numbers thing in the cave. Hmmmm, foreshadowing?
Or, he's outright lying. It's not like we saw her name crossed out either. Kate being on the island would be the only possible motivation for Sawyer not to leave.
Here's a great review from NJ.com:
http://sepinwall.blogspot.com/2010/02/lost-substitute-happy-john.html
What I like the most about it is how they point out that at this point it's not about answering questions so much as it is about making sure our favorite character gets treated right
Anyway, my fiancee came home and claims that when Jack was operating on Ben in season 3 (?), it was mentioned that Jack "wasn't on Jacob's list".
I also want to know how to reconcile Jacob with the cabin.
I have a little theory of why Kate's name wasnt on the wall and why there was only one Kwon (Sun or Jin, yet to be revealed [or quite possibly {probably} never will be]). I could be wrong, but I think Jin and Kate are the only 2 people who killed someone before coming to the island. If I remember correctly, when Sawyer was presented with the opportunity to kill the real Sawyer he couldn't pull the trigger, right? Does anyone remember for sure? We know Kate killed her stepfather and that Jin most likely killed a few people here and there working for his father-in-law. Maybe that disqualified them as a candidate. What do you guys think?
QuoteI have a little theory of why Kate's name wasnt on the wall and why there was only one Kwon (Sun or Jin, yet to be revealed [or quite possibly {probably} never will be]). I could be wrong, but I think Jin and Kate are the only 2 people who killed someone before coming to the island. If I remember correctly, when Sawyer was presented with the opportunity to kill the real Sawyer he couldn't pull the trigger, right? Does anyone remember for sure? We know Kate killed her stepfather and that Jin most likely killed a few people here and there working for his father-in-law. Maybe that disqualified them as a candidate. What do you guys think?
Sawyer killed that one guy, who he thought was "Sawyer", but wasn't.
Is Jacob "inside" Sayid now, like the other dude is inside Locke? (Smock/UN-Locke)
QuoteIs Jacob "inside" Sayid now, like the other dude is inside Locke? (Smock/UN-Locke)
This is what I'm thinkin'
I've read two interesting theories recently:
1) This reality is just prior to a second crash. They all end up on the island again in 2007 because it's just gotta be that way
2) The island blowing up in the 70s killed Charles and his wife, preventing Daniel and Penny from ever being born, preventing Desmond from ever fallings in love, causing him to never sail around the world, so he was on the plane instead.
QuoteIs Jacob "inside" Sayid now, like the other dude is inside Locke? (Smock/UN-Locke)
If so, then why did the people in the temple try to poison Sayid? I thought they were at the very least allied with Jacob more so than MIB.
QuoteQuoteIs Jacob "inside" Sayid now, like the other dude is inside Locke? (Smock/UN-Locke)
This is what I'm thinkin'
I've read two interesting theories recently:
1) This reality is just prior to a second crash. They all end up on the island again in 2007 because it's just gotta be that way
2) The island blowing up in the 70s killed Charles and his wife, preventing Daniel and Penny from ever being born, preventing Desmond from ever fallings in love, causing him to never sail around the world, so he was on the plane instead.
I don't think I agree with either of those.
QuoteQuoteIs Jacob "inside" Sayid now, like the other dude is inside Locke? (Smock/UN-Locke)
If so, then why did the people in the temple try to poison Sayid? I thought they were at the very least allied with Jacob more so than MIB.
maybe jacob isn't as "good" as we think...
I think we should all just prepare ourselves to be seriously disappointed
QuoteI think we should all just prepare ourselves to be seriously disappointed
i really hope not! but i do have a feeling that so much is expected that that may be the case when it ends >:(
Sawyer is going to con the fuck out the possibly evil dude. I'm not sure if I took that throwing the white rock into the ocean as "hey I'm light, not dark and I'm free!!" or "jacob is the white stone/the island and he is going to sink to the bottom of the sea ala season opener".
in the first episode there's a shot that scans across the beach and sawyer is sitting on a jet engine that is a circle broke in half. The explanation for that compass is making more sense now that with the parallel time lines. I think there is going to be some fucked up things they end up telling us about what's up, as long as it's not all in CGI I think I'll be able to deal with it.
Walt better use his minds eye for something god damn it.
QuoteSawyer is going to con the fuck out the possibly evil dude. I'm not sure if I took that throwing the white rock into the ocean as "hey I'm light, not dark and I'm free!!" or "jacob is the white stone/the island and he is going to sink to the bottom of the sea ala season opener".
in the first episode there's a shot that scans across the beach and sawyer is sitting on a jet engine that is a circle broke in half. The explanation for that compass is making more sense now that with the parallel time lines. I think there is going to be some fucked up things they end up telling us about what's up, as long as it's not all in CGI I think I'll be able to deal with it.
Walt better use his minds eye for something god damn it.
I am with you...Sawyer is pulling a long con on ole' MIB. It is his specialty.
And I am no longer convinced who is good and who is bad. And I also think the Kwon on the list is Sun and Jin's daughter, not them. And when does Walt come back in the picture? And, and...and I am still so confused :o
QuoteQuoteSawyer is going to con the fuck out the possibly evil dude. I'm not sure if I took that throwing the white rock into the ocean as "hey I'm light, not dark and I'm free!!" or "jacob is the white stone/the island and he is going to sink to the bottom of the sea ala season opener".
in the first episode there's a shot that scans across the beach and sawyer is sitting on a jet engine that is a circle broke in half. The explanation for that compass is making more sense now that with the parallel time lines. I think there is going to be some fucked up things they end up telling us about what's up, as long as it's not all in CGI I think I'll be able to deal with it.
Walt better use his minds eye for something god damn it.
I am with you...Sawyer is pulling a long con on ole' MIB. It is his specialty.
And I am no longer convinced who is good and who is bad. And I also think the Kwon on the list is Sun and Jin's daughter, not them. And when does Walt come back in the picture? And, and...and I am still so confused :o
To keep from overanalyzing the obvious I remind myself of a few "concretes" that I like to believe in:
1) Black is always evil, white is always good, and this dual theme has been part of the show since Locke showed Walt how to play Backgammon
2) Based on that, the "throwing of the rock" has to have meant that in eyes of "New Locke", "evil" has won, though in his mind, it's not evil, just "black" has won.
3) Despite the "black" and "white" we're not supposed to know who is "black" and who is "white"
4) The name "black rock" is not coincidental and has to be involved somehow in this battle.
Also I never realized that Sawyer was up to a con, but you guys are so right.
My Fiancee also thinks the Kwon is the daughter, which I never considered until she mentioned it.
good points indeed. Isn't the ship that crashed the black rock? or is the black rock the place the ship is located at on the island. That sequence was pretty intense way back when smokey was bursting out of the ground and tried to suck locke into it. I'm going on the assumption that Ilana, Bram, and some people are from that ship that crashed. That ship wreck is what started everything, unless it's just suppose to symbolize the arrival of the humans. I think desmond and juliet caused each time line to occur/overlap. +/- sort of thing. who fucking knows, the battle will soon begin. Christian must be revealed to Jack and Jin has to bone Sun one last time. Plus, all the babies and walt.
The thing I found weird was during last weeks recap in the little caption it said when the ring of ash was broken it gave evil locke the chance to take control of the cabin. so he was never locked in the cabin. so many layers to think about.
jumping jaguars! I just finished season 2! What the hell is going on? Why are they doing this to me? GAH! I'm so hooked that I'm seeing people on the street as the others!
Quotejumping jaguars! I just finished season 2! What the hell is going on? Why are they doing this to me? GAH! I'm so hooked that I'm seeing people on the street as the others!
Oh, you have NO idea my friend.
QuoteQuotejumping jaguars! I just finished season 2! What the hell is going on? Why are they doing this to me? GAH! I'm so hooked that I'm seeing people on the street as the others!
Oh, you have NO idea my friend.
haha
QuoteQuotejumping jaguars! I just finished season 2! What the hell is going on? Why are they doing this to me? GAH! I'm so hooked that I'm seeing people on the street as the others!
Oh, you have NO idea my friend.
this I am understanding more and more- with every passing episode!
QuoteQuoteIs Jacob "inside" Sayid now, like the other dude is inside Locke? (Smock/UN-Locke)
If so, then why did the people in the temple try to poison Sayid? I thought they were at the very least allied with Jacob more so than MIB.
If Locke/Smoke Monster/Man in Black is the bad guy (black) and Jacob is now Sayid/Good Guy/White then what if:
The people in the temple are bad guys on the "black" side and they wanted to kill Sayid with the poison. However, for the same unknown reason that Evil Locke (MIB) had to have Ben kill jacob, the guys in the temple had to have Jack kill Sayid? As if the only way to kill the good and evil respective leaders is to trick someone that is close to them to do it. Or some shit like that. My head hurts.
QuoteQuoteQuoteIs Jacob "inside" Sayid now, like the other dude is inside Locke? (Smock/UN-Locke)
If so, then why did the people in the temple try to poison Sayid? I thought they were at the very least allied with Jacob more so than MIB.
If Locke/Smoke Monster/Man in Black is the bad guy (black) and Jacob is now Sayid/Good Guy/White then what if:
The people are in the temple are bad guys on the "black" side and they wanted to kill Sayid with the poison. However, for same unknown reason that Evil Locke (MIB) had to have Ben kill jacob, the guys in the temple had to have Jack kill Sayid? As if the only way to kill the good and evil respective leaders is to trick someone that is close to them to do it. Or some shit like that. My head hurts.
uh huh. It's just better to drink while watching.
I think tonights episode is going to clear up a lot of things for us.... Just kidding!
I still dont think its Jacob inside Sayid. The people at the temple must be on Jacob's side because they are trying to defend themselves from the smoke monster. Also we know Richard took Ben as a child to the temple to be healed, obviously they are both on Jacob's side.
Is it possible that Christian was brought back to life at the temple?
Patience is wearing thin...the teaser for next week better not be lying.
It's not that I want "big questions" answered...I just want more of a clue as to what the hell is going on right now.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Jack's son sort of throws off the whole "it worked" theory since it creates a reality where things are different BEFORE Oceanic, no? Or did we just not know Jack had a kid? Setting off the nuke wouldn't just give Jack a teenager all of a sudden.
But yeah, either way, I don't care about new characters or a new location. I just want some goddamn context.
QuotePatience is wearing thin...the teaser for next week better not be lying.
It's not that I want "big questions" answered...I just want more of a clue as to what the hell is going on right now.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Jack's son sort of throws off the whole "it worked" theory since it creates a reality where things are different BEFORE Oceanic, no? Or did we just not know Jack had a kid? Setting off the nuke wouldn't just give Jack a teenager all of a sudden.
But yeah, either way, I don't care about new characters or a new location. I just want some goddamn context.
jesus, dont tell me there's going to be another timeline they keep flashing to
QuotePatience is wearing thin...the teaser for next week better not be lying.
It's not that I want "big questions" answered...I just want more of a clue as to what the hell is going on right now.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Jack's son sort of throws off the whole "it worked" theory since it creates a reality where things are different BEFORE Oceanic, no? Or did we just not know Jack had a kid? Setting off the nuke wouldn't just give Jack a teenager all of a sudden.
But yeah, either way, I don't care about new characters or a new location. I just want some goddamn context.
I think these episodes are the recruitment episodes for each side.
evil locke is manipulating the hell out of so many people right now.
he's got Claire, Sawyer, and now Jin. There is no doubt in my mind that evil locke is going to use Jin to get to Sun which would possibly equal = Kwon.
I've been wondering if Hurley's vision of Jacob isn't Jacob at all. Jack destroyed the mirrors. Breaking a magical mirror seems strange, and it's kind of dumb they just now revealed the huge lighthouse, but other than getting them out of the temple I don't understand what it accomplished.
I really could give a fuck that jack has a kid, it's kinda like "well what character is the mom?". Desmond still has to come back into play since "the island isn't done with him yet".
QuotePatience is wearing thin...the teaser for next week better not be lying.
It's not that I want "big questions" answered...I just want more of a clue as to what the hell is going on right now.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Jack's son sort of throws off the whole "it worked" theory since it creates a reality where things are different BEFORE Oceanic, no? Or did we just not know Jack had a kid? Setting off the nuke wouldn't just give Jack a teenager all of a sudden.
But yeah, either way, I don't care about new characters or a new location. I just want some goddamn context.
Exactly. Obviously, the split to this other reality (Jack has a teenage son, Locke is optimistic, Hurley has tons of good luck) happened well before the Oceanic flight. I want to know how that happened...ugh!...and that's when I get irritated with the show. However, I'm still incredibly devoted, because they have always made up for it in the past. I'm hoping the end of the series will be "wow" and not "meh".
The bomb went off in 1977 so I guess it changed things from that point on. Jacob would have never met any of them and pushed their lives in a certain direction. I agree about the lighthouse being kinda dumb, how the hell did they never see it before? I guess we can expect smokey to kick some ass at the temple shortly
QuoteThe bomb went off in 1977 so I guess it changed things from that point on. Jacob would have never met any of them and pushed their lives in a certain direction. I agree about the lighthouse being kinda dumb, how the hell did they never see it before? I guess we can expect smokey to kick some ass at the temple shortly
I guess that's a good point...if the bomb went off in '77 it sort of set things in motion for things to change well be for Jack ever had a kid to begin with...timelines were altered as early as '77. Conversely, as Miles put it, everything should still be "Linear", so if it makes sense, this is still after everything I guess.
this thread needs to be removed... I started reading it not realizing which one I was reading... I looked at the title and panicked! If ya'll could just stop talking about it until I catch up, that would be great
I'm surprised none of us picked up on the fact that the names of the candidates are paired with the numbers 4,8,15,16,23,and 42. Did anyone catch a good shot of the names and numbers in the Lighthouse and notice they were the same?
QuoteI'm surprised none of us picked up on the fact that the names of the candidates are paired with the numbers 4,8,15,16,23,and 42. Did anyone catch a good shot of the names and numbers in the Lighthouse and notice they were the same?
they were.
QuoteQuoteI'm surprised none of us picked up on the fact that the names of the candidates are paired with the numbers 4,8,15,16,23,and 42. Did anyone catch a good shot of the names and numbers in the Lighthouse and notice they were the same?
they were.
They all add up to 108 as well, I believe, which is also the bearing that Daniel said the choppa had to follow to get on/off the island.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm surprised none of us picked up on the fact that the names of the candidates are paired with the numbers 4,8,15,16,23,and 42. Did anyone catch a good shot of the names and numbers in the Lighthouse and notice they were the same?
they were.
They all add up to 108 as well, I believe, which is also the bearing that Daniel said the choppa had to follow to get on/off the island.
Also the degree that Jacob told Hurley to turn the lighthouse mirror to.
To tie MMJ into lost. If the writers are as awesome as I think they are they will play Smokin From Shootin as the credits roll on the final episode. What song would you guys pick to play during the final credits MMJ or not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRVI4d7Gvno&feature=related
Have you had enough excitement now
more than you ever did
You never wanted to be treated like a woman
You maintained you was just a kid
Well at least you were of age my dear
these days kids they grow so fast
You never wanted to be committed to the present
You're too busy believing in the past, oh
Who then was your savior
Who then was your friend
Who is now committed to the present
Is it someone that exists
What is life in God?
A perfect vision of the self?
I always thought we was dealing with one thing
Now we are dealing with something else, oh
Do you see my smoking guns?
they're smoking from a shootin'
smoking from shootin'
smokin' from shootin at nothing here
Do you live your life on the road?
Yeah loosing that I'm loving
Asking for nothing
Runnin' from something that isn't there, oh
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-WxaOg59WY[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKmZRO8XzyY[/media]
ha! I figured out how to do it! Way to go newb!
Ha, those are both highly awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcsW9pdSKMs
I change my answer:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CdfTn6t8BI[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwCt0YQPn7g[/media]
What's going on, indeed
Best song ever
Best video ever
Quite possibly the best band ever
Best Lost shirt, ever! Just bought the sweatshirt while waiting in the Jury summons room ;)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-pGkeGjJTvs/S4hlVr7DVlI/AAAAAAAAJog/RK_05J_0zbM/s1600-h/dharma-shark-matt.jpg
Well that was a whole lotta fuck.
tonight was the bomb. best episode of the season so far.
Weren't questions were supposed to be answered? Also, if Ben is goinng to die, why the fuck would they tell us in next weeks preview? Makes me think his "demise" doesn't mean his death.
QuoteWeren't questions were supposed to be answered? Also, if Ben is goinng to die, why the fuck would they tell us in next weeks preview? Makes me think his "demise" doesn't mean his death.
Ilana has some sort of plan but I wouldn't be surprised if everybody starts dying off starting next week. I also think Lapidus is going to have a big role in the end of the show.
glad miles made it through the invasion, he's the man. so..
Jack - Reacts to shit like a spaz.
Kate - She got eyeballed by evil locke so one can only assume she broke because of sawyer? but might try to take locke down.
Hurley - can see dead people
Miles - can talk to people who are buried or if he has the body.
whitmore/eloise - working for evil locke? is whitmore the reason evil locke exists/is free? is that why he was banished from the island?
Richard - where the fuck is he?
Sawyer - where the fuck is he?
Jin - where the fuck is he?
Rose/Bernard - what the fuck are they doing?
Desmond/Penny/Baby Charlie - wtf?
Dogan - peace out bizneetch, looks like you might come back evil. maybe. his character seems too hyped up to just die off. him in the alternate time line makes me think this.
Flight Attendant/Kids - who cares
QuoteWeren't questions were supposed to be answered? Also, if Ben is goinng to die, why the fuck would they tell us in next weeks preview? Makes me think his "demise" doesn't mean his death.
Yeah, no questions were answered
QuoteQuoteWeren't questions were supposed to be answered? Also, if Ben is goinng to die, why the fuck would they tell us in next weeks preview? Makes me think his "demise" doesn't mean his death.
Yeah, no questions were answered
I think enough questions were answered to get me back on board. We know there are teams, we basically have the various camps consolidated to one location. It's implied that what happened last night was all part of Jacobs plan, which is why he wanted Hurley and Jack out of there. Dogen is dead I think. For good.
I think Evil Locke knows Kate is easily manipulated and he can get her to do his bidding.
Sayid is long gone.
And they can't just kill Ben like that and state it so clearly. I mean you knew in Sopranos Christopher was gonna kick it, but the way they did it was perfect and in your face before you were ready for it. LOST know better than to say "SPOILER ALERT! BEN IS DEAD!"
I also think Rose and Bernard are just done. They sort of just wrote them off the show last season.
QuoteQuoteQuoteWeren't questions were supposed to be answered? Also, if Ben is goinng to die, why the fuck would they tell us in next weeks preview? Makes me think his "demise" doesn't mean his death.
Yeah, no questions were answered
I think enough questions were answered to get me back on board. We know there are teams, we basically have the various camps consolidated to one location. It's implied that what happened last night was all part of Jacobs plan, which is why he wanted Hurley and Jack out of there. Dogen is dead I think. For good.
I think Evil Locke knows Kate is easily manipulated and he can get her to do his bidding.
Sayid is long gone.
And they can't just kill Ben like that and state it so clearly. I mean you knew in Sopranos Christopher was gonna kick it, but the way they did it was perfect and in your face before you were ready for it. LOST know better than to say "SPOILER ALERT! BEN IS DEAD!"
I also think Rose and Bernard are just done. They sort of just wrote them off the show last season.
Yeah, but we pretty much knew all that anyways. I mean, it was a really good episode, but I was pissed at the end pretty much because of last weeks preview. I don't think it was nessesary at all.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWeren't questions were supposed to be answered? Also, if Ben is goinng to die, why the fuck would they tell us in next weeks preview? Makes me think his "demise" doesn't mean his death.
Yeah, no questions were answered
I think enough questions were answered to get me back on board. We know there are teams, we basically have the various camps consolidated to one location. It's implied that what happened last night was all part of Jacobs plan, which is why he wanted Hurley and Jack out of there. Dogen is dead I think. For good.
I think Evil Locke knows Kate is easily manipulated and he can get her to do his bidding.
Sayid is long gone.
And they can't just kill Ben like that and state it so clearly. I mean you knew in Sopranos Christopher was gonna kick it, but the way they did it was perfect and in your face before you were ready for it. LOST know better than to say "SPOILER ALERT! BEN IS DEAD!"
I also think Rose and Bernard are just done. They sort of just wrote them off the show last season.
Yeah, but we pretty much knew all that anyways. I mean, it was a really good episode, but I was pissed at the end pretty much because of last weeks preview. I don't think it was nessesary at all.
I have to admit, i wasn't even looking forward to last night's episode. I lost faith! But now, I'm looking forward, if only to see how this Ben situation unfolds. There's no way they're going to let Ben barely appear in the final season of the series as a History teacher and that's it.
ok a friend just brought this up to me. The think Sayid says to the MiB that he wants most of all died in his arms. It's not Nadia and she didn't die in his arms in the original time line. Shannon did. fuck my head hurts now.
Quoteok a friend just brought this up to me. The think Sayid says to the MiB that he wants most of all died in his arms. It's not Nadia and she didn't die in his arms in the original time line. Shannon did. fuck my head hurts now.
Wow, I didn't even think of that. But now I'm trying to remember if Nadia was still alive after she was hit by the car when saiyd got to her.
i think she was, didnt she tell sayid she wanted to go home then die?
I think you're right. Its interesting how that all panned out. In a way Jacob was somewhat responsible for Nadia's death and Locke used that to get Sayid to change sides. I guess Jacob didn't think that one through very well. Last night's episode kind of made me want to join the dark side too. Dogen was getting on my nerves, I was glad when Sayid shanked his ass. I think Sticky is right though, he'll probably be back. I'm a bit nervous about what's going to happen to Kate. She definitely didn't receive Locke's smile of approval like the others did.
no way sayid loves shannon more than nadia. plus boone flew back and left her in Australia in the alternate time line.
The thing that is tripping me out is when Walt appeared to Shannon soaked in water. Dogan said the smoke monster can only appear as somebody who is dead. If Walt wouldn't have lured Shannon out into the forest she wouldn't have been shot.
The reason the monster killed Eko seems sort of explained. Eko knew the monster wasn't his brother when it appeared to him and then he was killed after he refused to listen to it right?
I don't know how you can remember details that far back. Eko was a cool character, its a bummer he isn't around anymore. I agree, I think he was referring to Nadia. The thing with Shannon was a fling; when you're stranded on an island for weeks with a bunch of hot chicks you're gonna get a little horny, its a widely believed fact.
I wonder why the detonation of the bomb changed things for those who are not candidates, like Shannon and Boone. I understand that things are different for Jack and Hurley because Jacob never would have met them and influenced their lives, leading them to the island. Jacob never contacted Shannon so why did she decide to stay in Sydney? Probably one of the little things that will never get answered. I'm still waiting to see what the deal is with Kate, why she was contacted by Jacob as a child but isn't a candidate, and how that will play out with her joining the dark side.
yes this candidate stuff is intriguing. Remember when Walt gets captured and then Michael finally meets up with the others at that fake camp they staged? They bring Walt in and he says they made him do "tests" or something and the lady says "we're not going to talk about that".
what if Walt was taken to the Temple and something was done to him by Dogan or Richard or something. Walt made that bird fly into window, used his minds eye to throw that knife like a pro, had visions of people being pissed at locke on the beach,etc. Walt will be back and I want to bet some money right this second that Walt will kill evil locke with a knife throw.
It probably won't happen but for awhile that has been my vision of how they slay the beast, if they do. if he is in fact, a beast.
I think the reason things changed for everyone is because every action those people made got them to that very point. In every instance in time line 1 people were leaving Australian pissed, unsure of themselves, bummed, or completely defeated, etc
Also, I think the obvious little changes like Hurley having good luck is a distraction device used to divert attention from the more obscure important character changes and little events.
Just thought of how the island ends up underwater. I'm on to these fuckers. Rose and Bernard. of course! It's going to be a sneak attack from Bernard. Rose and Bernard stay behind and sink island/die/become adam and eve. They are untainted meat. pure love. There is that supposed anagram from the brain wash tape or something that says something about the nadlers being in the caves (rose and bernard). hmm.
I think Jack is important but he's still just a chess piece doing his part. Each person has a special personality trait that can be triggered by certain things Jacob and Evil Locke do. Kate can run. Makes me wonder if her childhood boy toy is going to pop up as a manifestation to convince her of something. He's definitely dead because of her.
Too many questions, 10 episodes left.
Quoteyes this candidate stuff is intriguing. Remember when Walt gets captured and then Michael finally meets up with the others at that fake camp they staged? They bring Walt in and he says they made him do "tests" or something and the lady says "we're not going to talk about that".
what if Walt was taken to the Temple and something was done to him by Dogan or Richard or something. Walt made that bird fly into window, used his minds eye to throw that knife like a pro, had visions of people being pissed at locke on the beach,etc. Walt will be back and I want to bet some money right this second that Walt will kill evil locke with a knife throw.
It probably won't happen but for awhile that has been my vision of how they slay the beast, if they do. if he is in fact, a beast.
I think the reason things changed for everyone is because every action those people made got them to that very point. In every instance in time line 1 people were leaving Australian pissed, unsure of themselves, bummed, or completely defeated, etc
Also, I think the obvious little changes like Hurley having good luck is a distraction device used to divert attention from the more obscure important character changes and little events.
Just thought of how the island ends up underwater. I'm on to these fuckers. Rose and Bernard. of course! It's going to be a sneak attack from Bernard. Rose and Bernard stay behind and sink island/die/become adam and eve. They are untainted meat. pure love. There is that supposed anagram from the brain wash tape or something that says something about the nadlers being in the caves (rose and bernard). hmm.
I think Jack is important but he's still just a chess piece doing his part. Each person has a special personality trait that can be triggered by certain things Jacob and Evil Locke do. Kate can run. Makes me wonder if her childhood boy toy is going to pop up as a manifestation to convince her of something. He's definitely dead because of her.
Too many questions, 10 episodes left.
11 epidodes left. 12 hours of show left, 10 episodes + 2 hour series finale.
Epi 15 apparently is all about Jacob and MiB. No regular cast members will be featured.
QuoteEpi 15 apparently is all about Jacob and MiB. No regular cast members will be featured.
VERRRRRRRY interesting
Here's a fun page:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Portal:Mysterious
There are spoilers possibly if you click around too much, but nothing initially.
Quoteyes this candidate stuff is intriguing. Remember when Walt gets captured and then Michael finally meets up with the others at that fake camp they staged? They bring Walt in and he says they made him do "tests" or something and the lady says "we're not going to talk about that".
what if Walt was taken to the Temple and something was done to him by Dogan or Richard or something. Walt made that bird fly into window, used his minds eye to throw that knife like a pro, had visions of people being pissed at locke on the beach,etc. Walt will be back and I want to bet some money right this second that Walt will kill evil locke with a knife throw.
It probably won't happen but for awhile that has been my vision of how they slay the beast, if they do. if he is in fact, a beast.
I think the reason things changed for everyone is because every action those people made got them to that very point. In every instance in time line 1 people were leaving Australian pissed, unsure of themselves, bummed, or completely defeated, etc
Also, I think the obvious little changes like Hurley having good luck is a distraction device used to divert attention from the more obscure important character changes and little events.
Just thought of how the island ends up underwater. I'm on to these fuckers. Rose and Bernard. of course! It's going to be a sneak attack from Bernard. Rose and Bernard stay behind and sink island/die/become adam and eve. They are untainted meat. pure love. There is that supposed anagram from the brain wash tape or something that says something about the nadlers being in the caves (rose and bernard). hmm.
I think Jack is important but he's still just a chess piece doing his part. Each person has a special personality trait that can be triggered by certain things Jacob and Evil Locke do. Kate can run. Makes me wonder if her childhood boy toy is going to pop up as a manifestation to convince her of something. He's definitely dead because of her.
Too many questions, 10 episodes left.
:-?
Right or wrong, I love reading shit like this.
I just finished season 4... 17 episodes of season 5 then a few in season six... i'm totally going to be caught up for the finale!
oh, I came up with a little something:
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Welp, there goes my LOST experience. Thanks ABC
QuoteWelp, there goes my LOST experience. Thanks ABC
Why?
abc and cablevision are greedy and so now they have a beef... the end result being that cablevision is no longer airing any abc channels
Quoteabc and cablevision are greedy and so now they have a beef... the end result being that cablevision is no longer airing any abc channels
yeah, well depends on the angle you take on it.
legally, cablevision has to air ABC, but ABC doesn't have to air on cablevision.
Based on my general distaste and distrust for anything Disney, I find myself taking cablevision's side in the debacle. Also, since I've also had Comcast and Cablevision hasn't fucked me nearly as hard as Comcast (or TimeWarner for that matter), I still take their side.
Though I'm skeptical...first it was FoodNetwork and HGTV, now ABC with literally the same dispute? Is it the NYC market that makes the stations greedy? Or is it a failure to keep pace with market rates that makes Cablevision cheap.
QuoteQuoteabc and cablevision are greedy and so now they have a beef... the end result being that cablevision is no longer airing any abc channels
yeah, well depends on the angle you take on it.
legally, cablevision has to air ABC, but ABC doesn't have to air on cablevision.
Based on my general distaste and distrust for anything Disney, I find myself taking cablevision's side in the debacle. Also, since I've also had Comcast and Cablevision hasn't fucked me nearly as hard as Comcast (or TimeWarner for that matter), I still take their side.
Though I'm skeptical...first it was FoodNetwork and HGTV, now ABC with literally the same dispute? Is it the NYC market that makes the stations greedy? Or is it a failure to keep pace with market rates that makes Cablevision cheap.
Thank goodness for Hulu and bit torrent sites.
QuoteQuoteQuoteabc and cablevision are greedy and so now they have a beef... the end result being that cablevision is no longer airing any abc channels
yeah, well depends on the angle you take on it.
legally, cablevision has to air ABC, but ABC doesn't have to air on cablevision.
Based on my general distaste and distrust for anything Disney, I find myself taking cablevision's side in the debacle. Also, since I've also had Comcast and Cablevision hasn't fucked me nearly as hard as Comcast (or TimeWarner for that matter), I still take their side.
Though I'm skeptical...first it was FoodNetwork and HGTV, now ABC with literally the same dispute? Is it the NYC market that makes the stations greedy? Or is it a failure to keep pace with market rates that makes Cablevision cheap.
Thank goodness for Hulu and bit torrent sites.
Serious answer: That doesn't help me at the time of airing!
Super-serious cynic's answer: ABC deserves to have their programming pirated for pulling this crap. It just sounds like Mickey Mouse is grubbing for money
Follow-up-super-serious-I'm-not-kidding-post-related-to-the-cynical-post: They're considering opening a LOST theme park.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteabc and cablevision are greedy and so now they have a beef... the end result being that cablevision is no longer airing any abc channels
yeah, well depends on the angle you take on it.
legally, cablevision has to air ABC, but ABC doesn't have to air on cablevision.
Based on my general distaste and distrust for anything Disney, I find myself taking cablevision's side in the debacle. Also, since I've also had Comcast and Cablevision hasn't fucked me nearly as hard as Comcast (or TimeWarner for that matter), I still take their side.
Though I'm skeptical...first it was FoodNetwork and HGTV, now ABC with literally the same dispute? Is it the NYC market that makes the stations greedy? Or is it a failure to keep pace with market rates that makes Cablevision cheap.
Thank goodness for Hulu and bit torrent sites.
Serious answer: That doesn't help me at the time of airing!
Super-serious cynic's answer: ABC deserves to have their programming pirated for pulling this crap. It just sounds like Mickey Mouse is grubbing for money
Follow-up-super-serious-I'm-not-kidding-post-related-to-the-cynical-post: They're considering opening a LOST theme park.
No, but epi's usually appear on btjunkie almost immediatly after the East/Central feed.
Lost theme park? Uhhhh can I ride on Charlotte?
Charlotte!? I do not like her! Juliet, please. Then Claire. Kate is just too freaking annoying.
Anyway, I was thinking while running today, I'm going to torrent. I've never really done that for TV shows, and its because the industry generally reacts to demand much better than music.
But I really hate Disney. And this'll teach 'em good. Plus I figure as a Cablevision subscriber, they're not gonna play ball easily for a DMCA request
QuoteCharlotte!? I do not like her! Juliet, please.
Charlotte has the triple threat- Freckles, amazing accent, and RED HAIR. Juliet would be the second choice.
I've done a few shows via torrent since they are not available in Region 1 DVD.
QuoteQuoteCharlotte!? I do not like her! Juliet, please.
Charlotte has the triple threat- Freckles, amazing accent, and RED HAIR. Juliet would be the second choice.
I've done a few shows via torrent since they are not available in Region 1 DVD.
But her head is shaped like a peanut!
Anyway, ABC caved. We're good to go. Unfortunately, this means I have to endure the Oscars tonite
I'm with chode on this one, she is weird looking. Juliet all the way. Naomi was hot, too bad she's dead
I don't think fake Locke (or my favorite nickname for him: "Flocke") is 100% evil. I think there are varying degrees of evil between him and Jacob. He is out to destroy Jacob/the island more than he wants to ruin peoples' lives and mess with fate, all that jazz.
I read a theory online where someone speculated that Sawyer killed himself in his house and when Flocke found him and asked him to go with him, he was dead. Meh. Not sure if I buy it.
Great show.
Naomi is beautiful. Juliet got on my nerves sometimes, but is MUCH better looking than Charlotte. Yikes.
Y'all can hate Charlotte all you want. More for me to love then.
I don't think we know who is "evil" and who is good yet. We are all getting played.
I found a picture of charlotte...
(http://www.lazydork.com/movies/mask.jpg)
QuoteI found a picture of charlotte...
(http://www.lazydork.com/movies/mask.jpg)
I would like everyone to know I did NOT laugh at that picture.
Oh, and I, uh, I was abducted by aliens last night and I have a pet unicorn.
QuoteQuoteI found a picture of charlotte...
(http://www.lazydork.com/movies/mask.jpg)
I would like everyone to know I did NOT laugh at that picture.
Oh, and I, uh, I was abducted by aliens last night and I have a pet unicorn.
;)
Well folks, I made it! I just finished season 5 tonight. Tomorrow I plan on being all caught up with the new episodes. Its been a long trip, but I'm happy I took it! I would like to thank netflix for allowing me the opportunity to watch all five seasons instantly in one month. and a thank you to hulu for having the new episodes up for me to be all caught up with all ya'll long time fans.
oh, and poor poor Juliet! God damn this show is something... amazing
QuoteQuoteQuoteI found a picture of charlotte...
(http://www.lazydork.com/movies/mask.jpg)
I would like everyone to know I did NOT laugh at that picture.
Oh, and I, uh, I was abducted by aliens last night and I have a pet unicorn.
;)
Well folks, I made it! I just finished season 5 tonight. Tomorrow I plan on being all caught up with the new episodes. Its been a long trip, but I'm happy I took it! I would like to thank netflix for allowing me the opportunity to watch all five seasons instantly in one month. and a thank you to hulu for having the new episodes up for me to be all caught up with all ya'll long time fans.
oh, and poor poor Juliet! God damn this show is something... amazing
Glad to see you're with us now!
wow...wow what an episode.
Quotewow...wow what an episode.
if you haven't watched tonight don't read after this yet:
yes yes yes yes yes yes yes. they told us a lot in that episode. fuckin a. was lapidus piloting 815 in the alternate timeline? if Ilana doesn't know which kwon to protect wtf? So was that Jacob at the lighthouse or not? It was Hurley who saw him.. Miles scored those diamonds thank god, those two characters were pissing me off for so long. need to soak it in for a minute. fucking knew richard was from the black rock ship. confirmed.
QuoteQuotewow...wow what an episode.
if you haven't watched tonight don't read after this yet:
yes yes yes yes yes yes yes. they told us a lot in that episode. fuckin a. was lapidus piloting 815 in the alternate timeline? if Ilana doesn't know which kwon to protect wtf? So was that Jacob at the lighthouse or not? It was Hurley who saw him.. Miles scored those diamonds thank god, those two characters were pissing me off for so long. need to soak it in for a minute. fucking knew richard was from the black rock ship. confirmed.
I liked it, the fiancee didn't. She claims no answers were given, but that's partially because we had basically figured that the "candidates" were to replace Jacob and Richard was from the Black Rock.
Still, I liked it, though I'm still frustrated.
I'm trying to fit in the alternate timeline with the island though. Here's what I've pieced together:
Some people have the opposite lives, others seem to have the same outcome regardless. Of those with the same outcome, they take actions to change their outcome.
That, or the alternate timeline is just a metaphor for whatever has gone on already, but everyone's biggest regret plays differently? Same shit, different day/pile I guess.
QuoteQuotewow...wow what an episode.
if you haven't watched tonight don't read after this yet:
yes yes yes yes yes yes yes. they told us a lot in that episode. fuckin a. was lapidus piloting 815 in the alternate timeline? if Ilana doesn't know which kwon to protect wtf? So was that Jacob at the lighthouse or not? It was Hurley who saw him.. Miles scored those diamonds thank god, those two characters were pissing me off for so long. need to soak it in for a minute. fucking knew richard was from the black rock ship. confirmed.
don't forget the touching thing. That part is HUGE.
QuoteQuoteQuotewow...wow what an episode.
if you haven't watched tonight don't read after this yet:
yes yes yes yes yes yes yes. they told us a lot in that episode. fuckin a. was lapidus piloting 815 in the alternate timeline? if Ilana doesn't know which kwon to protect wtf? So was that Jacob at the lighthouse or not? It was Hurley who saw him.. Miles scored those diamonds thank god, those two characters were pissing me off for so long. need to soak it in for a minute. fucking knew richard was from the black rock ship. confirmed.
don't forget the touching thing. That part is HUGE.
Yes, so what do we make about Ben being touched, since he's got SOME connection to Jacob.
By way of alternate timeline review:
- Jack's life is clearly different pre-815
- Locke's life is 99% the same, except Peg Bundy is alive and with him
- Sayid's life is drastically different
- Jin's life is presumably the same
- Kate's life is exactly the same, but I'm going to assume her crime is different
- Ben's life is different, but he was still on the Island
...right?
QuoteQuoteQuotewow...wow what an episode.
if you haven't watched tonight don't read after this yet:
yes yes yes yes yes yes yes. they told us a lot in that episode. fuckin a. was lapidus piloting 815 in the alternate timeline? if Ilana doesn't know which kwon to protect wtf? So was that Jacob at the lighthouse or not? It was Hurley who saw him.. Miles scored those diamonds thank god, those two characters were pissing me off for so long. need to soak it in for a minute. fucking knew richard was from the black rock ship. confirmed.
don't forget the touching thing. That part is HUGE.
yeah, when glad richard, jack, and hurley have met back up. widmore's back. It'll be interesting to see what he fucks up, unless they end up making us like him. It's crazy that most of locke's group are the murderers. The only person who stood out as bad on the other side was Ben and it appears he was redeemed. my theory is what Jacob wanted to happen was exactly that. Ben had to kill him in order for Ben to believe him. It blows my theory out of the water that miles needs the actual body. if they're ashes apparently it doesn't matter he can still know what happened when they died. the super powers are throwing me off big time. I hope desmond comes back and takes down the old man for penny. they're going to have to pack these last episodes full of answers now that everyone is grouped up we'll at least find out what they all know. Maybe some weird war strategy or something.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotewow...wow what an episode.
if you haven't watched tonight don't read after this yet:
yes yes yes yes yes yes yes. they told us a lot in that episode. fuckin a. was lapidus piloting 815 in the alternate timeline? if Ilana doesn't know which kwon to protect wtf? So was that Jacob at the lighthouse or not? It was Hurley who saw him.. Miles scored those diamonds thank god, those two characters were pissing me off for so long. need to soak it in for a minute. fucking knew richard was from the black rock ship. confirmed.
don't forget the touching thing. That part is HUGE.
Yes, so what do we make about Ben being touched, since he's got SOME connection to Jacob.
By way of alternate timeline review:
- Jack's life is clearly different pre-815
- Locke's life is 99% the same, except Peg Bundy is alive and with him
- Sayid's life is drastically different
- Jin's life is presumably the same
- Kate's life is exactly the same, but I'm going to assume her crime is different
- Ben's life is different, but he was still on the Island
...right?
All the people on the good side that we've seen who are alive are happier than they were in the other life. In the other timeline Kate is still going back for murder, sawyer, sayid still blew away keamy. there are obviously holes to this theory but I think each persons outcome has to do with the role they'll play in the "war" or coming episodes. some get rewarded, others... not so much. I'm still waiting to see Juliet in the alternate timeline. Jack's kid playing the chopin tune faraday played as a kid coincidence? probably not.
yeah that ben still being on the island part with his dad set me back for a second. 'things that make ya say.. fuck?"
Also, who are the six that remain?
4. John Locke
8. Hurley
15. Sawyer
16. Sayid(?)
23. Jack
42. Sun or Jin
Lapidus? Miles? Kate?
I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING
Everyone who sides with Jacob on the island has a positive outcome in the alternate reality. Everyone who sides with Locke falls short of their dreams.
I'm so happy i can take part in this thread now!
I feel like simply put, its boiling down to a good vs evil type scenario... sides are being taken there will be a "champion" of sorts for jacob's side that will be the opposite of locke.
of course there is much more going on than this but I feel like thats where its headed... I'm having a difficult time figuring out what the deal is with the alternate universe thing.
As for the remaining. I don't think Frank or Sun are candidates but I think Kate is. When flight 316 flew over the island out of Frank, Sun and Kate only Kate disappeared from the plane. I think the Kwon listed must be Jin, who is also appearing to have a more important role in this season... he's on his own with his own story line.
I also think that maybe Jacob and the being disguised as Locke are some sort of gods
QuoteAlso, who are the six that remain?
4. John Locke
8. Hurley
15. Sawyer
16. Sayid(?)
23. Jack
42. Sun or Jin
Lapidus? Miles? Kate?
Do not forget Aaron. I think he has a large part to play. I really wonder what all the psychic saw when he did Claires reading before she left Australia.
QuoteI'm so happy i can take part in this thread now!
I feel like simply put, its boiling down to a good vs evil type scenario... sides are being taken there will be a "champion" of sorts for jacob's side that will be the opposite of locke.
of course there is much more going on than this but I feel like thats where its headed... I'm having a difficult time figuring out what the deal is with the alternate universe thing.
As for the remaining. I don't think Frank or Sun are candidates but I think Kate is. When flight 316 flew over the island out of Frank, Sun and Kate only Kate disappeared from the plane. I think the Kwon listed must be Jin, who is also appearing to have a more important role in this season... he's on his own with his own story line.
good call on Jin being the "kwon". does jacob touch both of them at the wedding or just Jin? I can't remember. Maybe Richard is a candidate... I have no idea.
Bernard and Rose are still unaccounted for. maybe Vincent is the new Jacob. Maybe Vincent is Jacob... (insert mind blow picture).
QuoteI JUST REALIZED SOMETHING
Everyone who sides with Jacob on the island has a positive outcome in the alternate reality. Everyone who sides with Locke falls short of their dreams.
^this.
I think Jacob is going to turn into a pillar of fire and whoop ass on Locke's camp. Does he give everyone he touches a gift? We know Hurley can see dead people, but he could before Jacob touched him, right? Will the others turn out to have some sort of gift?
I think "Kwon" may be "baby kwon". just a random guess. Maybe that's why Jin can't have kids off the island? I figured all the babies died in the 3rd trimester because of "temporal displacement" or then not fitting into the plan that needs to happen.
at one point or another the Dharma people could have babies during the 70's. but perhaps once the lostie's started time traveling it made it impossible for them to have kids during that period of time. after the "incident" we could assume is when the birth problems started?
also, I think that shot of Libby from an episode way back might be her in the alternate timeline. maybe she's the person who rambles off the numbers in that timeline?
QuoteI think Jacob is going to turn into a pillar of fire and whoop ass on Locke's camp. Does he give everyone he touches a gift? We know Hurley can see dead people, but he could before Jacob touched him, right? Will the others turn out to have some sort of gift?
well richard was granted that anti-aging spell. so that was one gift jacob gave. he brought locke back to life after he fell out of the window. he's got some fucking god like powers. I'm really starting to think vincent is either jacob or evil locke in disguise. Vincent always makes them chase him around and get in mischief.
the rules still seem important. the MiB couldn't enter the temple and is not allowed to kill sawyer. baby jacob or young aaron or whoever that vision was told MiB he can not kill him and then evil locke got pissed and started screaming the classic locke "don't tell me what I can't do.." line.
Sawyer saw the black horse that Kate saw in the jungle. Sawyer saw the little boy. What other visions has Sawyer had? any?
My guess is that the MiB isn't allowed to kill any candidates, maybe that's why he shot Kate that shit look after he took out everyone at the temple. Regarding Kate's candidacy, her name wasn't seen on the wall Locke took Sawyer to but apparently it was in the Lighthouse. I didn't see it myself, just read it online somewhere. Interesting theory you have about Vincent. Evil Locke can be shot and stabbed in the chest without effect and turn into a smoke monster that makes roller coaster noises and Jacob can turn into a yellow lab. Seems a little lopsided
QuoteMy guess is that the MiB isn't allowed to kill any candidates, maybe that's why he shot Kate that shit look after he took out everyone at the temple. Regarding Kate's candidacy, her name wasn't seen on the wall Locke took Sawyer to but apparently it was in the Lighthouse. I didn't see it myself, just read it online somewhere. Interesting theory you have about Vincent. Evil Locke can be shot and stabbed in the chest without effect and turn into a smoke monster that makes roller coaster noises and Jacob can turn into a yellow lab. Seems a little lopsided
well perhaps MiB is vincent. I don't know. maybe vincent is just a bad ass dog. either way he always disappears and then comes back at important times and causes important events. the only reason I thought it might be Jacob is because Jacob is kinda blonde and so Vincent. it's an out there theory but I almost wonder if Vincent is the present Walt was given. Walt is most definitely gifted.
Sounds like you have a crush on the dog dude
QuoteSounds like you have a crush on the dog dude
vincent is awesome, you'll see.
just watched the recap of last weeks episode and noticed the last shot is of jack, hurley, etc in a little group and ben in white on the outside and richard in black on the other side. subtext?
Charlotte looked like a very high end prostitute in that episode. I would have tapped it for sure. So what did we learn tonight? Sawyer has/will bang every chick on the show if they can write it in. Widmore/Sawyer/etc was predicta-dull. Damn setup episodes. I noticed kate never touched evil locke, not even when he extended his hand to help her up. Next week looks bomb as hell. Richard info is always important. Where the fuck is desmond? what.the.fuck. Sawyer as a cop? Only way it works is because Miles is bad ass and pulls that shit off. Also, why the fuck even make kate wear a hood on that last scene? who didn't know it was her? Get this love affair shit over with already. Faraday better not end up being Jack's son. Why is evil locke so nice and who was his deranged mom? wtf? are there dinosaurs on the island? if walt has a comic book with dinosaurs in it can he manifest dinosaurs on the island? too many questions. If it's some battlestar galactica ending I'm going to be fucking PISSED. that shit was so fucking lame.
maybe vincent will take out Evil Locke with a slow-mo classic huge dog leap attack? I'd be totally satisfied with that. then vincent could morph into Jacob and they fight each other in the style of the matrix only with less expensive CGI.
Sayid is gone yo.
at least next weeks will be all about richard... bout time we got some answers from him!
QuoteCharlotte looked like a very high end prostitute in that episode. I would have tapped it for sure.
Take a number n00b. Charlotte is mine, ALL MINE.
Yeah, clearly a set em up epi, not that it is a problem.
My take on the side flashes is this. That world is falling apart. All of them are coming together for some kind of thing. It started with little glimpes of "oh there is a lostie hidden in so and so's flash." We started seeing more, good example is Jim being locked up in the cooler in Sayid's flash. WTF?!?! Now Miles and Sawyer are partners and Sawyer taps Charlotte and he happens to apprehend Kate? Somethings is so f'd up. I cannot wait!
QuoteQuoteCharlotte looked like a very high end prostitute in that episode. I would have tapped it for sure.
Take a number n00b. Charlotte is mine, ALL MINE.
Yeah, clearly a set em up epi, not that it is a problem.
My take on the side flashes is this. That world is falling apart. All of them are coming together for some kind of thing. It started with little glimpes of "oh there is a lostie hidden in so and so's flash." We started seeing more, good example is Jim being locked up in the cooler in Sayid's flash. WTF?!?! Now Miles and Sawyer are partners and Sawyer taps Charlotte and he happens to apprehend Kate? Somethings is so f'd up. I cannot wait!
I think this confirms my prior point about the side-line: everyone who sides with Locke ends up falling short of their previous selves in the alternate timeline. Let's prove the point with Sawyer:
- He's no longer Sawyer
- He's no longer a (good) liar
- He's no longer a super-smooth ladies man since he can't make it nice with Charlotte. In fact, the simple premise of him going back for forgivenees is very un-Sawyer
- People boss his ass around quite easily
Whereas Hurley is on top of the world, lucky, has it all, etc.
Kate, who has not clearly chosen a side, has her alternate timeline still undecided. She's in fact, ultimately in the same position as she would have been, except she's still hitting walls on and off the island.
Aaron's role is looking to be evermore important.
And if Desmond isn't brought back I'm going to punch someone.
QuoteQuoteQuoteCharlotte looked like a very high end prostitute in that episode. I would have tapped it for sure.
Take a number n00b. Charlotte is mine, ALL MINE.
Yeah, clearly a set em up epi, not that it is a problem.
My take on the side flashes is this. That world is falling apart. All of them are coming together for some kind of thing. It started with little glimpes of "oh there is a lostie hidden in so and so's flash." We started seeing more, good example is Jim being locked up in the cooler in Sayid's flash. WTF?!?! Now Miles and Sawyer are partners and Sawyer taps Charlotte and he happens to apprehend Kate? Somethings is so f'd up. I cannot wait!
I think this confirms my prior point about the side-line: everyone who sides with Locke ends up falling short of their previous selves in the alternate timeline. Let's prove the point with Sawyer:
- He's no longer Sawyer
- He's no longer a (good) liar
- He's no longer a super-smooth ladies man since he can't make it nice with Charlotte. In fact, the simple premise of him going back for forgivenees is very un-Sawyer
- People boss his ass around quite easily
Whereas Hurley is on top of the world, lucky, has it all, etc.
Kate, who has not clearly chosen a side, has her alternate timeline still undecided. She's in fact, ultimately in the same position as she would have been, except she's still hitting walls on and off the island.
Aaron's role is looking to be evermore important.
And if Desmond isn't brought back I'm going to punch someone.
True, when Kate was by herself, Sawyer let her go in the airport (even though he was a police officer) and once she was in Locke's group, she got caught by Sawyer.
QuoteQuoteQuoteCharlotte looked like a very high end prostitute in that episode. I would have tapped it for sure.
Take a number n00b. Charlotte is mine, ALL MINE.
Yeah, clearly a set em up epi, not that it is a problem.
My take on the side flashes is this. That world is falling apart. All of them are coming together for some kind of thing. It started with little glimpes of "oh there is a lostie hidden in so and so's flash." We started seeing more, good example is Jim being locked up in the cooler in Sayid's flash. WTF?!?! Now Miles and Sawyer are partners and Sawyer taps Charlotte and he happens to apprehend Kate? Somethings is so f'd up. I cannot wait!
I think this confirms my prior point about the side-line: everyone who sides with Locke ends up falling short of their previous selves in the alternate timeline. Let's prove the point with Sawyer:
- He's no longer Sawyer
- He's no longer a (good) liar
- He's no longer a super-smooth ladies man since he can't make it nice with Charlotte. In fact, the simple premise of him going back for forgivenees is very un-Sawyer
- People boss his ass around quite easily
Whereas Hurley is on top of the world, lucky, has it all, etc.
Kate, who has not clearly chosen a side, has her alternate timeline still undecided. She's in fact, ultimately in the same position as she would have been, except she's still hitting walls on and off the island.
Aaron's role is looking to be evermore important.
And if Desmond isn't brought back I'm going to punch someone.
I think you're definitely on the right track. It seems fairly obvious that they're bringing in the element of "karma" now with all the previous religious undertones. It probably also has something to do with where you fall on the scale of light and dark via what dogan said to sayid.
So did Charlotte end up not going back to the island in the alternate time line? is that why she's alive or has that part in that specific time line not occurred yet?
figure the losties are on the island for 108days, 100days = 4years off the island.
the mathematical concepts are f'ing with me now. They have got to have some kind of formula that explains each persons role in both time lines.
Locke working as a "substitute" teacher seems curious. Did Hugo/Rose get him that job?
to support your claim, Locke is a good example:
alternate timeline:
-still with helen
-he's happy
-he's lost his faith in miracles it seems because he ripped up Jacks card.
-his new job seems more fulfilling.
etc.
Ilana is starting to intrigue me. She called Richard "Richardo" during season 5 which made me think maybe she was on the black rock. but it doesn't explain why she was in a full body cast in russia. I think her and richard are going to hit it of and sail into the sunset on the giant foot.
My theory is nice as to what is going on, but it doesn't answer the larger "why".
Now, this whole thing as a "substitute" - perhaps that is Locke's larger role in things?
And at one point Sawyer says, "God has nothing to do with the island" or something last night.
As far as Charlotte, the one statement that always stood out to me were her dying words of "I know more about Carthage than Hannibal" or something to that effect.
I too am wondering how they're going to reconcile the alternate timeline, other than the whole thing is linear and the choices they make on the island now will determine what happens when they get off the island in year xxxx. Then you just need to explain away the amnesia.
And what book did they so obviously point out last night?
Quote
As far as Charlotte, the one statement that always stood out to me were her dying words of "I know more about Carthage than Hannibal" or something to that effect.
interesting:
Carthage [(kahr-thij)]
An ancient city in north Africa, established by traders from Phoenicia. Carthage was a commercial and political rival of Rome for much of the third and second centuries b.c. The Carthaginian general Hannibal attempted to capture Rome by moving an army from Spain through the Alps, but he was prevented and finally defeated in his own country. At the end of the Punic Wars, the Romans destroyed Carthage, as the senator Cato had long urged. The character Dido, lover of Aeneas in the Aeneid, was a queen of Carthage.
wasn't Tunisia where Charlotte was excavating that bear with the dharama tag? Also isn't Tunisia where you pop out if you turn the wheel? that is strange. She told Jin that the island was "death" in korean or whatever that language was right?
I've got a question involving desmond and libby. Who was libby's husband during that time when desmond and libby met? She was rich wasn't she? because she just gave Desmond that sailboat. ?what if.. when desmond was going through the flashes he was effecting the alternate timeline...Perhaps Hurley is her husband... maybe thats' too far out there. But eloise was talking about how no matter what she did she couldn't help that one guy who was going to die (probably just a metaphor about charlie) but still. wtf?
I'm also hanging on to the thought that charlie is desmonds son sent through time.
QuoteQuote
As far as Charlotte, the one statement that always stood out to me were her dying words of "I know more about Carthage than Hannibal" or something to that effect.
interesting:
Carthage [(kahr-thij)]
An ancient city in north Africa, established by traders from Phoenicia. Carthage was a commercial and political rival of Rome for much of the third and second centuries b.c. The Carthaginian general Hannibal attempted to capture Rome by moving an army from Spain through the Alps, but he was prevented and finally defeated in his own country. At the end of the Punic Wars, the Romans destroyed Carthage, as the senator Cato had long urged. The character Dido, lover of Aeneas in the Aeneid, was a queen of Carthage.
wasn't Tunisia where Charlotte was excavating that bear with the dharama tag? Also isn't Tunisia where you pop out if you turn the wheel? that is strange. She told Jin that the island was "death" in korean or whatever that language was right?
That is EXACTLY why I've been intrigued about it. Plus Carthaginian ties to the ancient world insofar as hieroglyphics and statues is pretty interesting as well. It's where they all get spit out, where Ben used his magic stick on all those folk, and I think its where Widmore was waiting for him.
And I'm just holding on to the thought that Desmond is still important.
QuoteI've got a question involving desmond and libby. Who was libby's husband during that time when desmond and libby met? She was rich wasn't she? because she just gave Desmond that sailboat. ?what if.. when desmond was going through the flashes he was effecting the alternate timeline...Perhaps Hurley is her husband... maybe thats' too far out there. But eloise was talking about how no matter what she did she couldn't help that one guy who was going to die (probably just a metaphor about charlie) but still. wtf?
I'm also hanging on to the thought that charlie is desmonds son sent through time.
Also, I believe her husband was dead and that's all we know at that time.
Well if desmond is the constant in the equation he has to be important. Would Juliet be a constant in the equation as well?
is it as simple as: one time line is good and one is bad?
What faraday said before he died, what he knew was essentially how to change the future. He just had no idea that there were God like beings manipulating the variables. right?
also I think Widmore and Sayid drink the same whiskey. Desmond got hammered on a bottle of the same shit when the sailboat came back to the island after his first attempt at leaving the island.
Did we ever find out what the fuck they were injecting the prego's with? Desmond was shooting himself up like crazy. The other totally random thing that is popping out in my brain is when Ben orders that Juliet be "marked" for helping Jack and then everyone gasped. Did branding her do something to her place in time? They never even started to explain that. maybe I'm just remembering it wrong.
QuoteWell if desmond is the constant in the equation he has to be important. Would Juliet be a constant in the equation as well?
is it as simple as: one time line is good and one is bad?
What faraday said before he died, what he knew was essentially how to change the future. He just had no idea that there were God like beings manipulating the variables. right?
I think your last statement is one of the underlying, constant themes - the balance between faith and knowledge, empiricism and deontological thought, etc.
I have to look up the words you just posted haha.
What do you think about this theory - Desmond caused them to time travel which is why there is such a big time difference. When the oceanic 6 left they were gone for 3 years. when they got back it had only been 3 years. It doesn't add up, does it? I know I'm stoned but like the sky changed and they held their heads like they were time travelin mofos. plus the idea of them time traveling at that point in the series wasn't even realistic. did they sneak a big obvious secret by us?
QuoteI have to look up the words you just posted haha.
What do you think about this theory - Desmond caused them to time travel which is why there is such a big time difference. When the oceanic 6 left they were gone for 3 years. when they got back it had only been 3 years. It doesn't add up, does it? I know I'm stoned but like the sky changed and they held their heads like they were time travelin mofos. plus the idea of them time traveling at that point in the series wasn't even realistic. did they sneak a big obvious secret by us?
Sorry, its the philosophy major in me that gets off on the show so much, and ultimately will be the most let down when its all for nothing.
I always assumed that the "pocket" was dark matter or something that could be made more or less dense that allowed the island to warp the space-time fabric. The "bearing" was the way one could travel out in a linear path that would least-distort the time of the person traveling it. Anyone who traveled along any deviation of that bearing would be lost in time, and since the island was moving and could not be controlled, it did not follow that bearing, and thus everyone got lost.
philosophy is really mind blowing sometimes, I wish I knew more about it. I loved the time travel/physics part. It's so easy to fuck up time travel and they've seriously taken it to another level stylistically. I'm in the same boat though, I've got high hopes for the end. As long as they don't dumb things down to appease a larger audience I'll be happy. It's been six fucking years. They lose nothing going out with a bang, I just hope doesn't happen all lame. like "oh love saved the day" or some bullshit cliche. at least the picture is becoming clearer and it's almost fucking over. They should be running two hour episodes all season.
QuoteQuoteSounds like you have a crush on the dog dude
vincent is awesome, you'll see.
Vincent is my fav...and very, very important. After the crash, he was told to wake up Jack by Zombie Christian because
"he had work to do". He led Shannon into the woods where she saw Walt and heard the whispers. There are so many more Vincent moments, read 'em here:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Vincent
And did anyone else notice Chip from the 80's TV show Kate and Alli on Widmore's team at the end of last weeks episode? It took me and my friend forever to remember what show he was on.....
I just re-watched last weeks episode and noticed charlies brother is at the jail looking for where charlie is detained in one of the scenes for a minute. he asks sawyer and sawyer blows him off. sexually. also, I was thinking about why that bear would be in Tunisia. The only explanation seems to be that at some point they trained a bear to move that wheel and make the island jump. Also, Mile's dad works with Charlotte at the "Museum", so the Dr. is alive in timeline 2. Whatever Widmore has locked up on that sub is probably important as well.
QuoteQuoteQuoteSounds like you have a crush on the dog dude
vincent is awesome, you'll see.
Vincent is my fav...and very, very important. After the crash, he was told to wake up Jack by Zombie Christian because "he had work to do". He led Shannon into the woods where she saw Walt and heard the whispers. There are so many more Vincent moments, read 'em here:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Vincent
I'd pet vincent so good.
Quotealso I think Widmore and Sayid drink the same whiskey. Desmond got hammered on a bottle of the same shit when the sailboat came back to the island after his first attempt at leaving the island.
Also in the episode about Jack's flash sideways, Christian had a bottle of it in his office when they were looking for his will
QuoteWhatever Widmore has locked up on that sub is probably important as well.
My bet is Desmond is in that locked room......could be wrong, but I hope I am not!
QuoteQuoteWhatever Widmore has locked up on that sub is probably important as well.
My bet is Desmond is in that locked room......could be wrong, but I hope I am not!
Or even crazier, Des and Penny's son Charlie :o
I'm gonna have to avoid this thread Tuesday and Wed. I have a concert to attend and will have to hulu/bit torrent this coming epi. I cannot miss Richards tale.
richard is going to blow the lid off shit tonight. so pumped.
That episode was the Lost equivalent of the moment of ejaculation. Pure Orgasmic Goodness. A couple bonus minutes, plus it took us back to the very very beginning and it was juicy as hell. They so aren't dead.
QuoteThat episode was the Lost equivalent of the moment of ejaculation. Pure Orgasmic Goodness. A couple bonus minutes, plus it took us back to the very very beginning and it was juicy as hell. They so aren't dead.
At first I was angry saying "what a cop out! And they said that hell wasn't the answer!" but then Jacob touched me and I felt saved.
Symbolic baptism by Jacob?
This was the episode this season needed to get me all about the show again. Plus they spelled a few things out so clearly just to confirm it for us: Locke is definitely MiB, it is a game between Jacob and MiB, and Hurley is becoming ever more important and confident in himself, leading me to think that he may be the replacement.
Now, just gimme a little Desmond and I'll consider the series a success regardless of the final outcome.
Also, I'm fairly sure the cabin from a few seasons ago was not Jacob's cabin.
What about the ship from the season 5 finale? Everyone assumed it was the black rock, but that ship was sailing in calm waters in the daytime, not smashing through the statue in a crazy storm. That was a great episode though.
they are soooooo not dead, at least not yet. Richard may think they are but I do not believe they are. Phenomanal epi. I have to watch it again as I watched it in a serious hangover and at 5AM.
QuoteAlso, I'm fairly sure the cabin from a few seasons ago was not Jacob's cabin.
I'm going under the assumption Horace built it since Locke had that dream about him and Horace was cutting down trees to build a cabin for him and his wife and he said John had to find it. also Horace's nose was bleeding ala temporal displacement. he said he had been dead for 10 years I believe.
QuoteWhat about the ship from the season 5 finale? Everyone assumed it was the black rock, but that ship was sailing in calm waters in the daytime, not smashing through the statue in a crazy storm. That was a great episode though.
The French boat capsized, that's why they were in the lifeboat when they picked up Jin in the ocean after the time jump.
QuoteQuoteThat episode was the Lost equivalent of the moment of ejaculation. Pure Orgasmic Goodness. A couple bonus minutes, plus it took us back to the very very beginning and it was juicy as hell. They so aren't dead.
At first I was angry saying "what a cop out! And they said that hell wasn't the answer!" but then Jacob touched me and I felt saved.
Symbolic baptism by Jacob?
This was the episode this season needed to get me all about the show again. Plus they spelled a few things out so clearly just to confirm it for us: Locke is definitely MiB, it is a game between Jacob and MiB, and Hurley is becoming ever more important and confident in himself, leading me to think that he may be the replacement.
Now, just gimme a little Desmond and I'll consider the series a success regardless of the final outcome.
yeah I think I get the baptism angle. they even had a sip of wine. it looked like catholic style blood of christ wine.
I re-watched last nights episode again and got more insight. they are cramming these episodes with tiny things. here's a new speculation. "Widfield" the dude who bought Richard to be his slave is a decedent of Widmore. Widmore has historical connection to the island as far back as Richard has been a live which is over 100years. I noticed a lot about Richard the person.
He is almost a combination of every single character from the plane crash.
Jack Comparison: he says to his wife "I will save you". In a similar way to Jack when he repaired that chicks spine.
He's been conned like Locke, He's conned and lied to people like sawyer, He has killed people and repented. etc. All the religious ideas always bring Eko back up in my mind. He was pure christian. he built that church, or at least started to.
The other thing I noticed was the Man in Black gave Richard the exact same directions Dogan gave sayid. pretty much word for word. "you let him talk to you didn't you?"
Jacob got the first move crashing the black rock. Man in Black got second move, killed everyone except Richard (the game piece) and convinced him via his dead wife that he was in hell.
I think the conversation between Richard and Jacob is what gave Jacob the idea to let MiB kill him. That's how he built his strategy it seems almost.
The Boar. A Boar appears when Richard comes to, they eat a pig when MiB and Richard are talking. MiB/Locke always brings the pork.
I forgot also since next week looks like a jin/sun reunion episode, sun is a pathological liar and a murderer, she killed that one chick-a-dee on the sailboat. Has jin ever killed anyone? I can't remember. Even hurley killed a dude when he ran over him with the bus didn't he?
another weird thing. when Charlie goes with locke to the bear cave to get eko he is wearing a shirt with a cross on it sort of, it's faint but there. when hurley returns to the island he's wearing a red shirt with a cross, the exact same thing. not sure way fucking stoned got some that G-13 and Strawberry Cough. mmm.
oh yeah and richard couldn't be absolved because he didn't have time to be. desmond went through the ministry or whatever and was all church-o-fied and cleansed before the island. but he was a solider before all that. too much stuff to think about with so little episodes left.
Jin has killed someone, it's at least implied due to connection with Sun' father.
I'll be interested to see just how the "reunion" isn't a reunion at all.
So is there some connection to the 7 deadly sins for each person?
Also, was Hanso Corp around prior to the blackrock? I think so, since I'm 95% sure they said Richard was no property of Hanso.
Internet Theory:Hurley Will Replace Jacob
Evidence:
Hurley is the only candidate to have a substantive conversation with Jacob as an adult (i.e. Kate and Sawyer were children when they spoke with Jacob)
Jacob speaks to Hurley even now that he is dead
Hurley is the only character that hasn't been shown to be corruptible in any significant way
Hurley may be the only candidate that has not murdered anyone on or off the island.
The fact that he "followed" Richard out there is key; everybody else said following Richard was a waste of time because he was going to the MiB and there was no coming back, but Hurley, as Jacob, sees that he needs to keep Richard around.
QuoteAlso, was Hanso Corp around prior to the blackrock? I think so, since I'm 95% sure they said Richard was no property of Hanso.
yeah that was another thing hanso is old as fuck too.
QuoteInternet Theory:Hurley Will Replace Jacob
Evidence:
Hurley is the only candidate to have a substantive conversation with Jacob as an adult (i.e. Kate and Sawyer were children when they spoke with Jacob)
Jacob speaks to Hurley even now that he is dead
Hurley is the only character that hasn't been shown to be corruptible in any significant way
Hurley may be the only candidate that has not murdered anyone on or off the island.
The fact that he "followed" Richard out there is key; everybody else said following Richard was a waste of time because he was going to the MiB and there was no coming back, but Hurley, as Jacob, sees that he needs to keep Richard around.
I'm thinking Hurley too, but that's probably what they want us to think. Jack is a whiny little bitch, I think even the island is sick of his ass, so hopefully it won't be him. I don't think Sawyer has really sided with Locke, however it seems like he's gonna be getting off the island first chance he get, so I think he's out. Sayid is definitely long gone. That's 4, who else is left besides one of the Kwons? Supposed to be 6 candidates left, right? Maybe both Kwons are candidates
I see hurley as more of a prophet type dude than the overall island runner but he definitely could be. I will say it was interesting Hurley was a big wig boss in the flash sideways helping out locke, being roses boss, etc. He's never tried killing himself either, rather than kill himself he always goes to the insane asylum. Whenever he's at home on the mainland it seems like that golden jesus statue pops up a lot.
I'm thinking the candidate is Lapidus. He feels responsible for everyone crashing on the island since he overslept.
QuoteAlso, was Hanso Corp around prior to the blackrock? I think so, since I'm 95% sure they said Richard was no property of Hanso.
Magnus Hanso - Captain of the Black Rock
Alvar Hanso - great grandson of Magnus Hanso and founder of the Hanso Foundation
Tovard Hanso - relative who sold the journal from the first mate of the Black Rock
do you think they're going to have some kind of "luke I am your father" moment since they've referenced star wars so much? I always wondered if Anthony Cooper was truly Locke's dad. Did they verify it with DNA or just blood type when Locke donated his kidney? His mother was a hussy but knew to call him john. What if Jacob was John's dad or some shit. Have we decided if Christian was the black smoke or if he was claimed by Jacob? his body was gone, which is a fact. unlike locke's body.
when they were time traveling they went way fucking back that one time, back before the black rock destroyed the statue. Which is weird because when Jacob and MiB are talking about Jacob "not having to do this" the black rock is sailing right in front of them. They are acting as if human's are what they're welcoming to the island but if Sawyer, Juliet, Miles, and Jin all went back to before that happened when the well closed on John wtf? Is Richard more important than we think? More than just a middle man, maybe he's more of an apprentice and doesn't know it yet?
The time jumps are so seriously important to what is going to happen. during those confusion periods is when MiB took most advantage of the losties.
-Jin saw the black smoke fuck those people up, he saw Danielle blow the crazy dude away. he saw the monster rip off his arm. Jin has seen it cause nothing but carnage. He's buggin hardcore right now I think, but in a cool bad ass Jin kinda way. Sawyer isn't going to leave Jin hangin because Sawyer knows Jin is important. hopefully Sawyers "cop" side comes out for the last episodes and he goes back to the good side, I'd rather see him kick ass with richard, ben, jack, mile's and hurley. same with jin.
If Kate is the candidate I'm going to blow my brains out for wasting 6years of my life. although her body is looking fiiiiiiiiiiine this season.
I think, given the sideflashes, Sawyer is "with" Locke, even if only by physical location. I don't know if it implies a moral decision or not, but Sawyer is "less than" his prior self, so he's with Locke.
I think the time flashes are my main reasoning why the "evil" is not the "energy" contained on the island, unless the energy can only have evil consequences (as opposed to being a large cache of evil stored underground).
I still think Christian is an anomaly. He's neither MiB or Jacob. If anything, I think he's some sort of angel...a "Caprica Six" for you BSG fans.
interesting as always chode, very interesting...
...that caprica 6 cylon beotch was smokin hot. I'd fuck the shit out of that robot. Fuckin skin jobs.
the jin/sun saga continues tonight... not really looking forward to it but kind of glad it might get out of the way.
That was great.
QuoteThat was great.
agreed.
on a side note having Juliette on V right after is pretty sweet. It makes me feel less sad that she's dead. of all the chicks Juliette was probably my favorite. tasty piece of ass. Kate + Juliette + Me + Boning = finger lickin' good. that's what's up.
Jin is a bad ass. Lapidus made reference to "no pork", I still think he's the sleeper candidate. This episode made me think Jin could be but my mind is scrambled now that we confirmed it was Desmond in there. Glad he's back for the final stretch, he's always a bonus. After all, He could see the future.
That Daniel Dae Kim is was good at english in real life, it's weird. It's not the normal Jin I know an love:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaelIjXO-Is[/media]
AWWWWW YEAH BROTHA! NEXT WEEK IS GOING TO BE THE TV EQUIVALENT OF THE SECOND HALF OF STEAM ENGINE
QuoteQuoteThat episode was the Lost equivalent of the moment of ejaculation. Pure Orgasmic Goodness. A couple bonus minutes, plus it took us back to the very very beginning and it was juicy as hell. They so aren't dead.
At first I was angry saying "what a cop out! And they said that hell wasn't the answer!" but then Jacob touched me and I felt saved.
Symbolic baptism by Jacob?
This was the episode this season needed to get me all about the show again. Plus they spelled a few things out so clearly just to confirm it for us: Locke is definitely MiB, it is a game between Jacob and MiB, and Hurley is becoming ever more important and confident in himself, leading me to think that he may be the replacement.
Now, just gimme a little Desmond and I'll consider the series a success regardless of the final outcome.
You must be psychic. Desmond is back! ;)
QuoteQuoteQuoteThat episode was the Lost equivalent of the moment of ejaculation. Pure Orgasmic Goodness. A couple bonus minutes, plus it took us back to the very very beginning and it was juicy as hell. They so aren't dead.
At first I was angry saying "what a cop out! And they said that hell wasn't the answer!" but then Jacob touched me and I felt saved.
Symbolic baptism by Jacob?
This was the episode this season needed to get me all about the show again. Plus they spelled a few things out so clearly just to confirm it for us: Locke is definitely MiB, it is a game between Jacob and MiB, and Hurley is becoming ever more important and confident in himself, leading me to think that he may be the replacement.
Now, just gimme a little Desmond and I'll consider the series a success regardless of the final outcome.
You must be psychic. Desmond is back! ;)
I've said since the beginning he is the key to the whole thing. I'm saying the beginning, like when the plane crashed I was all like "pretty soon they're gonna find this guy named Desmond, and he's the answer"
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat episode was the Lost equivalent of the moment of ejaculation. Pure Orgasmic Goodness. A couple bonus minutes, plus it took us back to the very very beginning and it was juicy as hell. They so aren't dead.
At first I was angry saying "what a cop out! And they said that hell wasn't the answer!" but then Jacob touched me and I felt saved.
Symbolic baptism by Jacob?
This was the episode this season needed to get me all about the show again. Plus they spelled a few things out so clearly just to confirm it for us: Locke is definitely MiB, it is a game between Jacob and MiB, and Hurley is becoming ever more important and confident in himself, leading me to think that he may be the replacement.
Now, just gimme a little Desmond and I'll consider the series a success regardless of the final outcome.
You must be psychic. Desmond is back! ;)
I've said since the beginning he is the key to the whole thing. I'm saying the beginning, like when the plane crashed I was all like "pretty soon they're gonna find this guy named Desmond, and he's the answer"
woah... desmond.. ?
My actual evidence was a combination of the Constant episode, Desmond's backstory, and Ben's reading of Ulysses on a plane once.
QuoteMy actual evidence was a combination of the Constant episode, Desmond's backstory, and Ben's reading of Ulysses on a plane once.
clever girl.
I'm wondering if he can only tell the future of people who were at the site when he turned the key.
-Saw Charlie's death,etc but knew he couldn't save him the final time for some reason.
-When he met up with Hugo boss after the implosion he was all "Locke is going to give a speech about saving Jack, blah blah blah".
-Eko was killed. Eko got scanned like a mother fucker. Also, unlike Richard, Eko saw smokey for the fake he was. Evil locke keeps saying he's only killing the people who don't want to go.
I'm thinking Evil Locke is like the Heaven's Gate Cult guy tricking his side into mass suicide now that Widmore said what he said. Though there has been a lot of lying, Widmore saying the entire existence of the human race would stop actually seemed rational.
but desmonds future can change if people interacted with him during the time he was on the island before the plane crash? I wish Danny boy was back, he made it easier for me to understand.
what is your take on the overall way this is going to play out?
QuoteAWWWWW YEAH BROTHA! NEXT WEEK IS GOING TO BE THE TV EQUIVALENT OF THE SECOND HALF OF STEAM ENGINE
;D
QuoteQuoteMy actual evidence was a combination of the Constant episode, Desmond's backstory, and Ben's reading of Ulysses on a plane once.
clever girl.
I'm wondering if he can only tell the future of people who were at the site when he turned the key.
-Saw Charlie's death,etc but knew he couldn't save him the final time for some reason.
-When he met up with Hugo boss after the implosion he was all "Locke is going to give a speech about saving Jack, blah blah blah".
-Eko was killed. Eko got scanned like a mother fucker. Also, unlike Richard, Eko saw smokey for the fake he was. Evil locke keeps saying he's only killing the people who don't want to go.
I'm thinking Evil Locke is like the Heaven's Gate Cult guy tricking his side into mass suicide now that Widmore said what he said. Though there has been a lot of lying, Widmore saying the entire existence of the human race would stop actually seemed rational.
but desmonds future can change if people interacted with him during the time he was on the island before the plane crash? I wish Danny boy was back, he made it easier for me to understand.
what is your take on the overall way this is going to play out?
I think, overall, its a series of concentric circles, but the outermost one we'll never know...like what's beyond the edge of the universe. This is also why we'll not know certain things.
For example, if Jacob and the MiB are not tied to any one body, then we'll never know who they are originally.
So I think that this is all a microcosm/metaphor. There's the laws of the universe, and there are those who manipulate them (deities/divinity). There's good and evil, and then there's their relative aspects. Jacob may be good, but that's relative: he's still killed people and will continue to do so.
I think Hurley and Jack will replace Jacob and Richard, and I think it'll be in that order. And I think we'll have a rehashing of Battlestar - all of this has happened before. All of this will happen again.
How will Desmond play into it? I think he's the mortal in the land of Gods and Demigods. The candidates are all Demigods, and like in mythology, they all have their one weakness. Desmond isn't either, and he's gone on this Journey around trying to find his Penelope, and this might be his slaying of Herculues - he gets Widmore what he wants, he gets his Penny free and clear.
That's the best I've got so far. Feel free to poke holes and give me your takes
I'm going to re-watch last nights episode again when I get home and then think about it a little more. I agree about the circle within a circle thing. they've used the record subtext type stuff a lot through all the seasons really.
When Paulo goes to get the diamonds they're inside one of those dolls inside a doll inside a doll inside a doll,etc. and he broke the one the diamonds were in. that always stuck in my head, maybe just because the producers said something about nikki and paulo being two of the most important characters of the show. that could be bullshit though.
I get what you're saying though, also, I'm wondering if the MiB slapped the black out of Claire after she attacked kate.
QuoteQuoteQuoteMy actual evidence was a combination of the Constant episode, Desmond's backstory, and Ben's reading of Ulysses on a plane once.
clever girl.
I'm wondering if he can only tell the future of people who were at the site when he turned the key.
-Saw Charlie's death,etc but knew he couldn't save him the final time for some reason.
-When he met up with Hugo boss after the implosion he was all "Locke is going to give a speech about saving Jack, blah blah blah".
-Eko was killed. Eko got scanned like a mother fucker. Also, unlike Richard, Eko saw smokey for the fake he was. Evil locke keeps saying he's only killing the people who don't want to go.
I'm thinking Evil Locke is like the Heaven's Gate Cult guy tricking his side into mass suicide now that Widmore said what he said. Though there has been a lot of lying, Widmore saying the entire existence of the human race would stop actually seemed rational.
but desmonds future can change if people interacted with him during the time he was on the island before the plane crash? I wish Danny boy was back, he made it easier for me to understand.
what is your take on the overall way this is going to play out?
I think, overall, its a series of concentric circles, but the outermost one we'll never know...like what's beyond the edge of the universe. This is also why we'll not know certain things.
For example, if Jacob and the MiB are not tied to any one body, then we'll never know who they are originally.
So I think that this is all a microcosm/metaphor. There's the laws of the universe, and there are those who manipulate them (deities/divinity). There's good and evil, and then there's their relative aspects. Jacob may be good, but that's relative: he's still killed people and will continue to do so.
I think Hurley and Jack will replace Jacob and Richard, and I think it'll be in that order. And I think we'll have a rehashing of Battlestar - all of this has happened before. All of this will happen again.
How will Desmond play into it? I think he's the mortal in the land of Gods and Demigods. The candidates are all Demigods, and like in mythology, they all have their one weakness. Desmond isn't either, and he's gone on this Journey around trying to find his Penelope, and this might be his slaying of Herculues - he gets Widmore what he wants, he gets his Penny free and clear.
That's the best I've got so far. Feel free to poke holes and give me your takes
alright I've given it some thought and re-watched last night episode. before I get into may huge stoner rant I need some opinions on possibilities. okay, so, I'm convinced that in a lot of episodes there are clues, metaphors, constantly being thrown at you. I think it's been precisely planned in every possible way. Anyway, some subtle things I noticed this time around. very beginning of the episode Mile's and Lapidus are playing Gin Rummy I think. In other words "Playing Jin". there is a one second shot of Mile's hand:
(http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/9066/vlcsnap2010033122h56m41.png)
Now, I'm not sure of the rules of Gin but the first thing that stood out was the dumbass in me. If the game was poker Mile's would have a royal flush except he's missing a, ready for the cheese? he's missing a "Jack". If Kate was on the list but isn't anymore but is still alive it makes me wonder. Also, in the flash "sideways" Sun can't speak english? Which means she never boned that dude, which also means she probably never took the lessons to lead to that? Or did that still happen? either way, she was also pregnant so that means Jin's spermies were all good in that time line or she did bone that dude and it's his baby and she's still a liar, it remains to be seen. all I've got to say is Dra-ma. now I'll dive into the randomness.
I agree completely about the concentric circles idea of how the time lines work. I believe we've already seen the resolve and "ending" so to speak ala the season opener. I suppose that's obvious as fuck but I believe that's where the start point is. The moment they pass over the island. There are strange things about the island and I've tried to think of every religious idea I can. I'm shitty as fuck with mythology. The physics stuff I can vibe on and in regards to what you're saying about never really knowing the full picture because it's beyond us, I agree.
I think MiB is truly a man trapped on the island. I think the reason he can't leave is because if he does everything stops existing perhaps because of global "temporal displacement" or something.
Let's say the universe in this stories scenario is our conscious and subconscious mind itself. Minds bound to the fabric of space/time. The "Rules" are as Faraday explained over and over again. The nuke worked so everything he's ever said has been right and his characters purpose has been devoted entirely to figuring out the mathematics of the island/time travel/etc. He was a vegetable for most of his adult life after he met desmond, got the #'s he needed for the experiment. Then him and his girl got scrambled. He wasn't cured until the island. Eloise/Widmore made the fuck out of that baby.
I think we're dealing with a parallel/multiverse type dealio which could be why Sun can't speak english anymore. I believe the two time lines are merging now. People are becoming closer to the people they are in the alternate timeline.
Not sure what Desmond is going to do, I just know he's been in the worm hole so to speak and the past can effect him if people time jump to that period when he's on the island. People can't change their past because of the rules? Why couldn't Ben kill Widmore in that bedroom scene? There are still tons of holes that need filling. I suppose since they're all heading out to get their war on.
Sun and Jin are like magnets, if you separate them, no matter what they find each other.
I haven't read what I just wrote and I'm falling asleep. fuck you Lost, you're such a bad ass show.
oh yeah, didn't the black smoke crash the plane? or did it just zoom in and make that engine explode? can't remember.
Which plane, the original? No, that was from Desmond. I cannot remember the second plane's reason for going down. Yes, from that pic they are totally playing gin. You need to learn the rules to gin and gin rummy. 2 great ways to waste hours at a table. Adult beverages are totally required.
Wow, I love the connections that weed helps the brain make. That's a lot of really interesting stuff. That card stuff is great and I hope it was intentional.
I'm gonna talk more broadly here, but as far as the alternative timeline, it seems to me that it looks like it's divided in halves: one half where the "fate" is the same and the means are different. Sun and Jin are still childless, but not by the same mechanism. In philosphese, it's consequentialist. The other side is deontologist - it is the rightness or wrongness of the acts that determine the outcome, not the outcome itself. This is shown best by Ben, who makes conscious decisions that aren't self serving.
As far as the physics go, I think they've mentioned the Casimir Effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect) before, which theoretically can be used to stabilize a wormhole. It basically says that in the quantum world, there is a negative force between two objects that will keep them from touching. I'm wondering if this show is an expansion of physical theories to metaphysical things or just people in general. For example, using your magnet example...there are some people that are always two north poles, ya know?
All in all, I think it will tie together numerous things in one big package - religion and science, physics and metaphysics, etc.
QuoteWhich plane, the original? No, that was from Desmond. I cannot remember the second plane's reason for going down. Yes, from that pic they are totally playing gin. You need to learn the rules to gin and gin rummy. 2 great ways to waste hours at a table. Adult beverages are totally required.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV_WRk8PjeA[/media]
I'm talkin about this part. you can see it schwoop in and hit the jet engine right before it sucks that dude in. so my bad.
QuoteWow, I love the connections that weed helps the brain make. That's a lot of really interesting stuff. That card stuff is great and I hope it was intentional.
I'm gonna talk more broadly here, but as far as the alternative timeline, it seems to me that it looks like it's divided in halves: one half where the "fate" is the same and the means are different. Sun and Jin are still childless, but not by the same mechanism. In philosphese, it's consequentialist. The other side is deontologist - it is the rightness or wrongness of the acts that determine the outcome, not the outcome itself. This is shown best by Ben, who makes conscious decisions that aren't self serving.
As far as the physics go, I think they've mentioned the Casimir Effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect) before, which theoretically can be used to stabilize a wormhole. It basically says that in the quantum world, there is a negative force between two objects that will keep them from touching. I'm wondering if this show is an expansion of physical theories to metaphysical things or just people in general. For example, using your magnet example...there are some people that are always two north poles, ya know?
All in all, I think it will tie together numerous things in one big package - religion and science, physics and metaphysics, etc.
yeah definitely. that casimir theory stuff sounds awesome. the "fate" stuff is interesting too. the producers said the show explores "the human condition" so I assume it's both the science side and faith side merged into one coheisive system.
yeah the pairs thing is interesting.
you've got:
jin/sun
desmond/penny
rose/bernard
kate/sawyer
widmore/eloise
...not sure. I wish my lunch break was longer.
QuoteQuoteWhatever Widmore has locked up on that sub is probably important as well.
My bet is Desmond is in that locked room......could be wrong, but I hope I am not!
I knew Des was way too important and had to come back to the island! "See ya' in another life, brother"
QuoteThat card stuff is great and I hope it was intentional.
I agree...and I didn't notice it until Sticky pointed it out. What does it mean? Not sure, but it seems like an Easter Egg from the writers. Regarding Jin: I think that the alt time line showing us Sun is still a Paik means that the Kwon on the wall is Jin.
QuoteAs far as the physics go, I think they've mentioned the Casimir Effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect) before, which theoretically can be used to stabilize a wormhole. It basically says that in the quantum world, there is a negative force between two objects that will keep them from touching. I'm wondering if this show is an expansion of physical theories to metaphysical things or just people in general. For example, using your magnet example...there are some people that are always two north poles, ya know?
In the Lost world, could this possibly be applied to this idea: Smokey is the negative force between 2 (or way more than 2) time lines/dimensions? And allowing him to break into a time line/dimension by leaving the island would cause everything to "cease to exist" as Widmore told Jin? It seems as though the 2 time lines we are watching these season are starting to bleed into one another (ie. Sun not being able to speak English). Is this because Smokey is making some serious moves to get off the island?
And another thing I am trying to wrap my head around is that Zoe (who works for Widmore) is a geophysicist and is very curious about the pockets of electromagnetism (my sister has her PhD in GeoPhysics and researches volcanoes and subduction zones, so this interested me). I have seen screen shots of OtherVille that show it clearly in the middle of a caldera or a crater. Either way, that Island is a volcano. With serious electromagnetic pockets of energy. How do we pull this into the good/evil and fate/free will discussions? And time travel? I just get so confused when I try to pull all the mythology of Lost together in a neat little package :o
QuoteQuoteThat card stuff is great and I hope it was intentional.
I agree...and I didn't notice it until Sticky pointed it out. What does it mean? Not sure, but it seems like an Easter Egg from the writers. Regarding Jin: I think that the alt time line showing us Sun is still a Paik means that the Kwon on the wall is Jin.
QuoteAs far as the physics go, I think they've mentioned the Casimir Effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect) before, which theoretically can be used to stabilize a wormhole. It basically says that in the quantum world, there is a negative force between two objects that will keep them from touching. I'm wondering if this show is an expansion of physical theories to metaphysical things or just people in general. For example, using your magnet example...there are some people that are always two north poles, ya know?
In the Lost world, could this possibly be applied to this idea: Smokey is the negative force between 2 (or way more than 2) time lines/dimensions? And allowing him to break into a time line/dimension by leaving the island would cause everything to "cease to exist" as Widmore told Jin? It seems as though the 2 time lines we are watching these season are starting to bleed into one another (ie. Sun not being able to speak English). Is this because Smokey is making some serious moves to get off the island?
And another thing I am trying to wrap my head around is that Zoe (who works for Widmore) is a geophysicist and is very curious about the pockets of electromagnetism (my sister has her PhD in GeoPhysics and researches volcanoes and subduction zones, so this interested me). I have seen screen shots of OtherVille that show it clearly in the middle of a caldera or a crater. Either way, that Island is a volcano. With serious electromagnetic pockets of energy. How do we pull this into the good/evil and fate/free will discussions? And time travel? I just get so confused when I try to pull all the mythology of Lost together in a neat little package :o
I think the religion parts of it play subtly. The most obvious example of religion being used as a device to manipulate the characters is Richard ala MiB trying to convince him to kill the "devil" to escape "hell". Perhaps it is hell for MiB and he does in fact represent Satan?
Jacob convinced Richard of the opposite that he was alive but could not absolve him of his sins so he chose to live forever in fear of death.
I think Muslims believe that if you kill one person it's like killing the entire world. If you save someone's life it's like saving the entire world.
MiB tried to use Yemie and Religion against Eko.
I wonder if the interactions they have while dreaming are different than the waking visions. I wonder if Jacob influences them in their dreams, telling Eko through his brother, that he needed to take over for locke. He believed that shit but as soon as he was face to face to the smoke monster, bam! fuck you. dead.
Locke, when he tripped out and talked to Boone, Ghost Boone was all "oh right, you did it for the island.." and whatever. Then he tells him he has to go save Eko before it's too late. Why would he tell John to save him if he's just going to kill him as soon as he's saved.
John couldn't speak until he found Eko or something right? Sorta similar to Sun. the one thing they did for some reason was show Sun cut herself. she had an open wound. I wonder if MiB can fuck with them if he has access to their blood? He told Jin to let his leg get some air?
Not sure what the deal with the cards are. I think the episode in general was about subliminal messages and it may have just been for the episode since it was a Jin episode.
Charlie went straight up evil there for a while in the beginning then after he got exiled he helped Eko build the church and became better. It was kind of a lil Charlie Resurrection.
The Baptism of Aaron. When Locke was good he described it as a safety measure "just in case something happens he's protected" type thing.
Jack's father's shoes, what up with those? So Dead Locke had to be brought to the island wearing Dead Christians Shoes->Evil Locke puts on Christians shoes once he gets to dock on main island?
Like our minds are all connected man and like if MiB gets off the island like we all fade away like in back to the future? Why does he click and take pictures when he's the smoke? He can't fly over the water and can't pass through the soundwave beam thing. Why? is it positive vibes?
they're always like "fuck that dude/chicks dead we have to bury them!!"
The only people who see/communicate with the dead are Hurley and Miles?
Ben is a liar, Sun is a liar, Sawyer is a liar, Kate is a liar.
Sayid is claimed but he is bad ass, so bad ass that he realized he didn't feel his own emotions. something tells me he's going to become good again or some shit. But he can tell if you lie.
The Rules do not apply to Desmond.
Rules we know:
1.) Dead is Dead
2.) What happened, Happened
3.) You Can't Kill Yourself If _______
4.) Murder makes your soul "darker"
5.) On The Island You Get A Fresh Start
6.) ?
I wonder if the smoke is the "force" repeling the timelines, then everyone is the anti-matter version of themselves, and if the anti- and posi- of matter meet, they annihilate
This is highly unlikely
QuoteI wonder if the smoke is the "force" repeling the timelines, then everyone is the anti-matter version of themselves, and if the anti- and posi- of matter meet, they annihilate
This is highly unlikely
Either way smokey is starting to get fucked with big time. He's losing the little bit of control he thought he had I believe. I'm fucking PUMPED for tonight, find out desmonds purpose hopefully.
H.O.L.Y. fuck. I think the walls just crumbled between both worlds.
QuoteH.O.L.Y. fuck. I think the walls just crumbled between both worlds.
Desmond is the bridge.
I think Sun is going to get healed by Juliet since Juliet was a baby master. I'd love to get a peak than them teets once last time lost style. If they ended the series with a 15-20minutes of the hot babes of the cast in a bikini dance party. That would be satisfying lost experience.
This episode made me convinced even further the "universe"/exist/whatever is all our of consciousness. If I was desmond I'd be using that xray machine like a drug. "I need 12cc's of the past and/or future ASAP doctor". fucking bad ass.
My theory: Widmore knows how to control the island through time, and needs Desmond to be the pilot. He will send Desmond through time to stop the bomb from going off.
Reasons: Whenever the donkey wheel turned, an event similar to the hatch blowing up happened (purple sky, etc). That seems to correspond with a release of electromagnetic radiation. So if that can be harnessed, the island can be "steered". Desmond can probably slide through time without suffering the same side effects as everyone else if its physically traveling.
If it's the alternative theory, then Widmore is going to put Desmond in the radiation and try and steer his mind through time. The problem is you need to get Desmond's body back to 1977 or whenever.
Also, it remains unclear if Widmore knows the extent of what happens to Desmond when he slips through consciousnesses. I don't think he does.
And finally, did Desmond side with Locke implicitly since his alternative life sort of sucks? Or, does he still have a choice to make, a choice that is entangled between both worlds?
this is slightly off topic but it reminds me of lost sorta:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100406172648.htm
QuoteMy theory: Widmore knows how to control the island through time, and needs Desmond to be the pilot. He will send Desmond through time to stop the bomb from going off.
Reasons: Whenever the donkey wheel turned, an event similar to the hatch blowing up happened (purple sky, etc). That seems to correspond with a release of electromagnetic radiation. So if that can be harnessed, the island can be "steered". Desmond can probably slide through time without suffering the same side effects as everyone else if its physically traveling.
If it's the alternative theory, then Widmore is going to put Desmond in the radiation and try and steer his mind through time. The problem is you need to get Desmond's body back to 1977 or whenever.
Also, it remains unclear if Widmore knows the extent of what happens to Desmond when he slips through consciousnesses. I don't think he does.
And finally, did Desmond side with Locke implicitly since his alternative life sort of sucks? Or, does he still have a choice to make, a choice that is entangled between both worlds?
Desmond didn't side with anybody. I think in order to give in to Locke you have to shake his hand, or grab his hand. he's extended it to everyone so far. Kate dissed him on it, Sun dissed him on it, Jin dissed him on it, Sawyer dissed him on it. Plus, the rules don't apply and now Desmond on the island knows that it worked for sure and they changed the future. Once Sawyer and those people find out, things will change somewhat.
I'm glad faraday is alive and knows what's up since desmond was his constant or whatever.
QuoteQuoteMy theory: Widmore knows how to control the island through time, and needs Desmond to be the pilot. He will send Desmond through time to stop the bomb from going off.
Reasons: Whenever the donkey wheel turned, an event similar to the hatch blowing up happened (purple sky, etc). That seems to correspond with a release of electromagnetic radiation. So if that can be harnessed, the island can be "steered". Desmond can probably slide through time without suffering the same side effects as everyone else if its physically traveling.
If it's the alternative theory, then Widmore is going to put Desmond in the radiation and try and steer his mind through time. The problem is you need to get Desmond's body back to 1977 or whenever.
Also, it remains unclear if Widmore knows the extent of what happens to Desmond when he slips through consciousnesses. I don't think he does.
And finally, did Desmond side with Locke implicitly since his alternative life sort of sucks? Or, does he still have a choice to make, a choice that is entangled between both worlds?
Desmond didn't side with anybody. I think in order to give in to Locke you have to shake his hand, or grab his hand. he's extended it to everyone so far. Kate dissed him on it, Sun dissed him on it, Jin dissed him on it, Sawyer dissed him on it. Plus, the rules don't apply and now Desmond on the island knows that it worked for sure and they changed the future. Once Sawyer and those people find out, things will change somewhat.
I'm glad faraday is alive and knows what's up since desmond was his constant or whatever.
Penny is his new constant since when they touched he stopped being neurotic and the consciousnesses merged
And I don't nkow what it is about the Locke thing, but it's not in the touch. It's where your heart lies maybe.
I thought penny has always been desmonds constant? I need to gather my thoughts.
QuoteQuoteH.O.L.Y. fuck. I think the walls just crumbled between both worlds.
Desmond is the bridge.
Nice...I like that metaphor!
QuoteI thought penny has always been desmonds constant? I need to gather my thoughts.
Yes, she stopped him from coming down with the sickness on the freighter. He is okay as long as he has Penny...
QuoteMy theory: Widmore knows how to control the island through time, and needs Desmond to be the pilot. He will send Desmond through time to stop the bomb from going off.
Reasons: Whenever the donkey wheel turned, an event similar to the hatch blowing up happened (purple sky, etc). That seems to correspond with a release of electromagnetic radiation. So if that can be harnessed, the island can be "steered". Desmond can probably slide through time without suffering the same side effects as everyone else if its physically traveling.
If it's the alternative theory, then Widmore is going to put Desmond in the radiation and try and steer his mind through time. The problem is you need to get Desmond's body back to 1977 or whenever.
Also, it remains unclear if Widmore knows the extent of what happens to Desmond when he slips through consciousnesses. I don't think he does.
And finally, did Desmond side with Locke implicitly since his alternative life sort of sucks? Or, does he still have a choice to make, a choice that is entangled between both worlds?
I re-watched last nights episode again a minute ago and it was just as sweet the second time. I will post this just because it's the only possible secret thing I saw in the ep.
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Guam under "Claim" = 3. no idea, only posting it because it says Guam. and Sydney says Arrived. I'm going to go far out again with it since that's the fun part. here goes..
Desmond is shielded from the MiB because MiB is made up of electro-magnetic energy in some way. Desmond therefore is immune from MiB possibly. Zoey is going to get Widmore and then they'll run into most likely Richard and Co. if Richard and the gang don't meet up with Desmond first.
Whatever happens now has already happened, we've already seen the outcome for the most part. Eloise is a cunt and there is something she is hiding without a fucking doubt.
here is the sketch from dan's journal:
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Dan explained if temporal displacement occurred you had to find something that was in both timelines and it had to be something you truly cared about, as wiz said the freighter episode.
I think they might go with the final twist of infinity. Both timelines must exist. Eloise is frustrated with Desmond's decision to find Penny, wonder why? If he does I wonder if the loop starts again.
I think all the candidates are like the poker hand now. They are all the candidate so to speak. They are all necessary, the best possible hand.
Regardless nothing that happens will effect the fact that they are off the island in another time line livin it up and desmond remembers parts of it. They probably have to die or something before their brains become one in the new timeline perhaps? slowly they get pulled closer from each side as the end grows near.
I think Widmore got a wish from Jacob similar to Richard and Widmore asked to know everything there is to know about the island or something only a mortal would ask for. then bam, he thinks he's master of the island. See the time traveling episode when locke meets young widmore and widmore is all "you think he knows this island better than me?"
whatever widmore, richard, dogan, eloise, etc were into was some occult ass shit or something. Dharma had a truce to stay away from them which is weird how they and the other people are separate entities. Obviously the temple was their protection from the monster but how did Dharma know to build the fence to keep out the smoke monster?
Horus is important I think. Plus he was one of my favorite characters. all hippy and chill. Dare I say I think Desmond might be Jacob's replacement? Dare I say his last name sounds like "Who-Me" when you separate the letters and shit. Hu-Me? wild speculation here. But word, I think this shit has happened for infinity and will happen for infinity but it is only happening because of human beings will to survive and save the people they love. Even if they die at this point they feel like they have made a difference and done the right thing. they are in martyr mode. it's gonna be crazy end of this final act.
fuckin a. I might edit all my errors and grammar mistakes... nah.. I'm going to watch tv. soak it in only a handful of episodes left.
Tanks for the caps, I'm gonna review them tomorrow because yours are the best I've seen in any discussion. I can't wait!
I just use that VLC player snapshot function. does the trick. I think you just right click the video and then go to video->snapshot. it might under playback, not sure.
What is the deal with that map that was drawn in neon ink in the hatch? Did we ever find out who drew that?
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What is the deal with that map that was drawn in neon ink in the hatch? Did we ever find out who drew that?
Radzinsky drew the map.
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What is the deal with that map that was drawn in neon ink in the hatch? Did we ever find out who drew that?
Radzinsky drew the map.
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I hate Radzinsky, him and that little dildo who Sawyer took hostage were two of my least favorite characters.
So Radzinsky peaced out before getting shot during the "incident"?
Bizzaro Charlie really isn't doing it for me either. It's like instead of being Charlie he's acting like his character in flashfoward or something (and that show started to be lame and soon as they said there was going to be another flashforward, just my .02cents). fucking spin-offs.
I wish there was a lost fan site with all the episodes separated by character. Or is there already a list with each specific characters episode list? I want to watch the Desmond episodes again, the Farrady Episodes, and Eko's episodes.
The not saying MiB's name thing has gotta be one of the rules. He never wants to tell him this name. Dogan was pretty bad ass in that scene when Claire was all "He wants to see you" and Dogan was all "Who wants to see me" and Claire was all "you know who". If Claire would have said his name, if she even knows it, I wonder if Dogan would have gained power or some sort of leverage against the wild beast.
Are there any mythological beasts or demons related to Bore/Pigs/Swine,etc?
Why does MiB always say "I forgive you" and after sawyer disses him then apologizes all funnily? He shows manners. What is MiB is God? sheeeiit.
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What is the deal with that map that was drawn in neon ink in the hatch? Did we ever find out who drew that?
Radzinsky drew the map.
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I hate Radzinsky, him and that little dildo who Sawyer took hostage were two of my least favorite characters.
So Radzinsky peaced out before getting shot during the "incident"?
Bizzaro Charlie really isn't doing it for me either. It's like instead of being Charlie he's acting like his character in flashfoward or something (and that show started to be lame and soon as they said there was going to be another flashforward, just my .02cents). fucking spin-offs.
I wish there was a lost fan site with all the episodes separated by character. Or is there already a list with each specific characters episode list? I want to watch the Desmond episodes again, the Farrady Episodes, and Eko's episodes.
The not saying MiB's name thing has gotta be one of the rules. He never wants to tell him this name. Dogan was pretty bad ass in that scene when Claire was all "He wants to see you" and Dogan was all "Who wants to see me" and Claire was all "you know who". If Claire would have said his name, if she even knows it, I wonder if Dogan would have gained power or some sort of leverage against the wild beast.
Are there any mythological beasts or demons related to Bore/Pigs/Swine,etc?
Why does MiB always say "I forgive you" and after sawyer disses him then apologizes all funnily? He shows manners. What is MiB is God? sheeeiit.
There's always more to MiB's words..."I'll give you what you want" means you get exactly what you want except it's nothing what you want, you know?
So you're saying that MiB might be Beetlejuice?
I don't know if I posted it here, so I'll say it again - Charlie is the opposite of himself, instead of always accidentally killing himself all the time, he's now less apologetic and more arrogant and intentionally trying to kill himself.
Read yesterday that we have 5 hrs of Lost on the 5/23 finale day, 2hr recap, 2hr episode, & cast interview on Jimmy Kimmel Live after the show!
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What is the deal with that map that was drawn in neon ink in the hatch? Did we ever find out who drew that?
Radzinsky drew the map.
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I hate Radzinsky, him and that little dildo who Sawyer took hostage were two of my least favorite characters.
So Radzinsky peaced out before getting shot during the "incident"?
Bizzaro Charlie really isn't doing it for me either. It's like instead of being Charlie he's acting like his character in flashfoward or something (and that show started to be lame and soon as they said there was going to be another flashforward, just my .02cents). fucking spin-offs.
I wish there was a lost fan site with all the episodes separated by character. Or is there already a list with each specific characters episode list? I want to watch the Desmond episodes again, the Farrady Episodes, and Eko's episodes.
The not saying MiB's name thing has gotta be one of the rules. He never wants to tell him this name. Dogan was pretty bad ass in that scene when Claire was all "He wants to see you" and Dogan was all "Who wants to see me" and Claire was all "you know who". If Claire would have said his name, if she even knows it, I wonder if Dogan would have gained power or some sort of leverage against the wild beast.
Are there any mythological beasts or demons related to Bore/Pigs/Swine,etc?
Why does MiB always say "I forgive you" and after sawyer disses him then apologizes all funnily? He shows manners. What is MiB is God? sheeeiit.
There's always more to MiB's words..."I'll give you what you want" means you get exactly what you want except it's nothing what you want, you know?
So you're saying that MiB might be Beetlejuice?
I don't know if I posted it here, so I'll say it again - Charlie is the opposite of himself, instead of always accidentally killing himself all the time, he's now less apologetic and more arrogant and intentionally trying to kill himself.
he could be beetlejuice, I wouldn't mind as long as he turns into that giant snake at least once.
interesting take on Charlie. I think once he finds Claire (his constant) he's going to be all "saved" and shit and think "God" did it and then he's going to become a born again "christian", THEN he's going to go to the past and pork jack's mom and then that's the end of the series with one final slow-mo "LOST" at the end. which leaves us with the point to the entire show: Charlie is Jack's Father Christian.
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So Radzinsky peaced out before getting shot during the "incident"?
If I am remembering this correctly....Kalvin and Radzinsky were in the hatch together. I believe they worked on the map together. Then Radzinsky blew his brains out (per Kalvin...and I am not sure one can trust Kalvin). Then Desmond shows up and Kalvin "rescues" him from the "sickness" of the island and basically kidnaps him and brings him to the hatch to push the button. Then Desmond figures out something is up (I think there was a tear in Kalvin's quarantine suit) and follows him to the beach where his sailboat is anchored. And then Desmond kills (?) Kalvin on accident. Did he actually kill him? And since Kalvin wasn't buried, what became of his presumed dead body?
Now the question is whether the Incident had always been Juliet detonating the bomb. If so, somehow they get the Swan completed for Radzinsky to hit the button and release the energy every 108 minutes. If not, and detonating Jughead changed the game, then who knows what became of Radzinsky after Jughead was set off.
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I wish there was a lost fan site with all the episodes separated by character. Or is there already a list with each specific characters episode list? I want to watch the Desmond episodes again, the Farrady Episodes, and Eko's episodes.
At lostpedia.wikia.com you can search for the characters and it brings you to a synopsis page for that character. On the right hand side of the page there will be a list of centric episodes for that character. For example, here is Desmond's page:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Desmond
His episodes are:
"Live Together, Die Alone, Part 1"
"Live Together, Die Alone, Part 2"
"Flashes Before Your Eyes"
"Catch-22"
"The Constant"
"Jughead"
"Happily Ever After"
been doing some light reading... Boar's are historically evil as fuck:
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QuoteThe word pig has many associations; ferocity, violence, sloth, gluttony, evil, dirt, vulgarity. Pigs are prized as food in some cultures, and abhorred as unclean in others.
Quote Joseph Campbell argues that there has been an evolution in sacred entities--moon, serpent, pig, bull, and finally horse. (Occidental Mythology. Viking, 1964. 154; Primative Mythology. Viking, 1959. 197) Campbell is overly fond of asserting patterns, and this one may be overstated, but this one receives support from the fact that in much of Oceana, where the latter two animals do not exist, the pig retains its ancient importance.
Quote "The boar is the beast of death," Robert Graves says (White Goddess. The Noonday Press, 1969. 210), and much of the sacred and symbolic import of boars and pigs in general is in fact connected with death. Death is, of course, a central concern of most religions, but in those which emphasize the danger to the soul of devouring demons, and in those in which human sacrifice is an important element, contemplation of death takes on a special vividness and immediacy. The pig is, among other things, a devourer; it is a menace to crops and to people, it is voracious and it is omnivorous. Even the strong-stomached goat will not eat meat, its young, or manure. Stories of domestic pigs killing and eating children, women in childbirth, even grown men are abundant, and some are undoubtedly true. Thus for dangerousness the pig has no rival among domestic animals, except the bull, but he at least will not eat you.
Quote Polynesian masks of the devouring demon are almost inevitably armed with boar's tusks, an odd fact considering that the demon is female. Ancient representations of Medusa, however, often show her with boar's tusks as well as with serpent locks. In the East, too, statues, pictures, and masks of demons have tusks. Thus the pig-devourer is also a creature of the underworld. What the earth produces it takes back into itself, and the sow, the most prolific of barnyard mammals, is also omnivorous and voracious to the point of eating her own young.
Quote As both producer and devourer, the pig effectively represents the primative view of divinity as an earth goddess beyond good and evil. However, by the dawn of history the sky fathers, Zeus, Yaweh, Indra and their counterparts have taken over and the evolution toward moral religion has begun. The creatures of the underworld, already viewed with fear, become increasingly sinister and abhorrent. Even in Polynesia, where so much that was primitive remained until modern times, the masculine assertied itself sufficiently to find rites for eluding the devouring demons. The fact that pig's blood was in ancient times a powerful purifying agent suggests on the one hand the sacredness of the pig, and on the other its affinity with the demonic. Thus when Jesus casts the demons out of the man he sends them into a herd of swine, and action appropriate both because pigs are sacred animals, and thus able to absorb and carry off evil, and because as underworld creatures themselves, they have an affinity with the demonic that makes them receptive to it.
QuoteTo the modern mind the uncleanness of the pig is obviously connected to the pig's affinity for dirt: one the one hand, a demonic trait; on the other, at least to our minds, an unhygenic one. To the ancients the concept was more ambiguous. The primary meaning of uncleanness was holiness. Therefore, to come in contact with an unclean creature, that is, a creature highly charged with spiritual power, was somewhat equivalent to touching a radioactive object--such an object as the Ark of the Covenanant, for instance.
QuoteThe Syrians neither sacrificed nor ate pigs, and if a man touched a pig he was unclean for the rest of the day (Frazer. 546). Among the Egyptians, also, touching a pig was unclean, and swineherds were a class almost of untouchables, forbidden even to enter a temple (Frazer. 548).
QuoteThus, the eating of pork, at the proper time, was a sacremental act. There is in myth a tendency for things to mean, or to be, also their opposite; the pig's very holiness makes it unclean.
QuoteThe pig is, in fact, rather human in its omnivorousness, its propensity for violence, and in the sparceness of its hair. A pig hung up to be butched does look disconcertingly human, especially from a distance. Perhaps for this reason the cannibals of the Pacific call human flesh long pig.
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Pigs, however, have been more than mere humans; they have been gods as well. According to Frazer (Frazer. 554), "it may almost be laid down as a rule that an animal which is said to have injured a god was originally the god himself."
Quote According to the story as we now have it, Persephone one day, while gathering flowers with the daughters of Ocean was abducted by Pluto, god of the undereworld. Her mother goes searching for her. Learning after nine days from Helios, the sun, that her daughter has been carried off, Demeter protests to Zeus and the other gods. Getting no satisfaction, she withdraws to Eleusis, allowing the world to fall into sterility until the gods force Zeus to restore her daughter. Persephone, however, had eaten one or several pomegranate seeds in the underworld, and so ever afterwards has to spend one third of every year with the god of the underworld, the time which becomes known as winter.
QuoteIn the Chinese folk novel, Monkey, for instance, Pigsy, originally a divine being, was placed on earth in a half-human, half-pig form as punishment for a drunken indiscretion with the moon goddess' daughter (trans. Arthur Whaley. Grove Press, 1958. 81.). Before his conversion to Buddhism, Pigsy was also a demon, a cannibal, and a glutton. His weapon, a manure fork, indicates his affinity with excrement.
Quote The Egyptian god, Osirus, a god of fertility, grain, and agriculture in general, also had a connection with both Persephone and the pig. He is tricked into a coffin by his brother, Set, and sent floating down the Nile to the sea. His sister, Isis, also a divinity of agriculture, searches the world for him until she recovers the coffin at Byblos and hides it among the reeds. Set, one night while hunting a boar by the light of the moon, discovers the coffin and tears the body into fourteen pieces. (In one version of the story Set, in fact, transforms himself into a black pig.) The pieces are later recovered by Isis with the help of, among others, Thoth the moon god, and Anubis, the underworld Jackal. Osirus is restored to life and becomes a god of the underworld, to whom pigs were sacrificed during a great yearly harvest festival.
Quote Whatever animal is said to have injured a god was originally the god, himself. Whatever animal was sacrificed to a god originally was the god. Animals that are unclean, that is, not eaten, are the god, or at least represent an aspect of him. Thus an identification of Osirus with the pig is supported not only by the sacrifice of pigs, but also by the story of the dismemberment, since Set may well have originally been a boar rather than a boar hunter. Or perhaps Osirus is the boar that he is hunting. The savage and violent tearing apart of the body is an act typical both of real boars and of the boars of mythology. Three other elements of pig myths also appear in this story: grain, the moon, and the underworld. Persephone too became an underworld divinity through her marriage to Pluto, and though in the Eleusian story she wishes only to return to her mother, in other contexts she appears as a grim and frightening queen of the dead.
QuoteIt is from the islands of the Pacific, however, that we have the best documented accounts of the spiritual significance of the pig. The relationship between pig and female devouring demon who sits at the entrance to the other world to devour unprepared souls has already been mentioned. To escape the demon, the first requirement was to reconstruct a partially erased labyrinthine design in the sand (Joseph Henderson and Maud Oakes. The Wisdom of the Serpent. Collier, 1971. 48-51.). The second was to substitute for oneself a sacrificial pig, a specially raised and consecrated boar with long, curling tusks.[/tt][/b]
Quote The grandest of all boars, however, is from India; Vishnu as cosmic boar rescues the goddess earth from the depths of the cosmic sea. Since Vishnu is the second member of the Hindu trinity, and in some of the Vedas is the supreme god, this is a glorious pig indeed.
Quote The three colors sacred to the moon goddess--white, black and red are also the common colors of pigs. The white pig, a sow of course, primarily represents fertility. The Celtic Caridwen, in fact, means white sow. The city founded by Aeneas, Alba Longa, the forerunner of Rome, was also named for a white sow, for the river god Tiber told Aeneas to build where he found a white sow lying with thirty newborn piglets at her udder. The black pig, on the other hand, is the underworld death pig. The red boar?--probably a solar beast.
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A pig farmer on an even more massive scale is Odysseus. Why pigs are emphasised so heavily in the Odyssey, Homer does not make clear. However, the are probably the shadow of Odysseus' Olympian rationality--the power of night, of darkness, of the underworld, of the feminine and unconscious. The number of important female characters in the story is striking--Athena, Calypso, Circe, Helen, Nausicaa, the old nurse, Penelope.
Quotehe is first recognized by the old nurse because of a scar made on his thigh by a wild boar; one of his greatest dangers is Circe, the witch who turns men into swine, and who sends Odysseus on his journey to the underworld where, among other sights, he is shown a procession of the great women of antiquity.
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Who is The Man in Black?
Let's figure this shit out before the show tells us. ABC can suck it.
Also, I think Eloise is Medusa now.
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A pig farmer on an even more massive scale is Odysseus. Why pigs are emphasised so heavily in the Odyssey, Homer does not make clear. However, the are probably the shadow of Odysseus' Olympian rationality--the power of night, of darkness, of the underworld, of the feminine and unconscious. The number of important female characters in the story is striking--Athena, Calypso, Circe, Helen, Nausicaa, the old nurse, Penelope.
Quotehe is first recognized by the old nurse because of a scar made on his thigh by a wild boar; one of his greatest dangers is Circe, the witch who turns men into swine, and who sends Odysseus on his journey to the underworld where, among other sights, he is shown a procession of the great women of antiquity.
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Who is The Man in Black?
Let's figure this shit out before the show tells us. ABC can suck it.
Also, I think Eloise is Medusa now.
So are you subscribing to an Illiad/Odyssey theory now?
If you think about it, it sort of makes sense...especially since Demond is now on his "second journey" after a considerable break
I'm not sure. I think there is elements from all the mythology relating to the boar, desmond, etc. Each character has their own story with a fusion of the ideas. I think that's why they always mention so many different books. It's not specifically, say exactly like the Illiad/Odyssey but uses a lot of the elements. The amount of literature, film, music, etc that they've introduced is ridiculous. There are star wars, back to the future, comparisons thrown in there all the time. Romeo and Juliet is an obvious one.
I think they're going for some hybrid Shakespearean type Tragedy for the new millennium. There is so much fucking tension in the show, it's practically what it's built off of. For them not to end on some sort of bitter sweet note wouldn't do the show justice. If things end up all nice and perfect I'm not sure how I'll feel.
QuoteI'm not sure. I think there is elements from all the mythology relating to the boar, desmond, etc. Each character has their own story with a fusion of the ideas. I think that's why they always mention so many different books. It's not specifically, say exactly like the Illiad/Odyssey but uses a lot of the elements. The amount of literature, film, music, etc that they've introduced is ridiculous. There are star wars, back to the future, comparisons thrown in there all the time. Romeo and Juliet is an obvious one.
I think they're going for some hybrid Shakespearean type Tragedy for the new millennium. There is so much fucking tension in the show, it's practically what it's built off of. For them not to end on some sort of bitter sweet note wouldn't do the show justice. If things end up all nice and perfect I'm not sure how I'll feel.
I have the same feeling...the ending to me needs to be something more positive than Sopranos (I hate how Tony died, and I only came to terms with it last week) and something more like Battlestar without the "rush" to tie things up (Starbuck's ending was frustrating yet awesome).
I feel like they've set up a sort of set it all up like the Iliad in terms of two sides and a cast of Gods, Demigods, Mortals and mythical powers. But it's not simply that. I mean when you think about it, it's always the classics - Romeo, Homer, "Philosophers"...maybe it's about all the LOST culture that we forget about in the name of Kardashian
QuoteQuoteI'm not sure. I think there is elements from all the mythology relating to the boar, desmond, etc. Each character has their own story with a fusion of the ideas. I think that's why they always mention so many different books. It's not specifically, say exactly like the Illiad/Odyssey but uses a lot of the elements. The amount of literature, film, music, etc that they've introduced is ridiculous. There are star wars, back to the future, comparisons thrown in there all the time. Romeo and Juliet is an obvious one.
I think they're going for some hybrid Shakespearean type Tragedy for the new millennium. There is so much fucking tension in the show, it's practically what it's built off of. For them not to end on some sort of bitter sweet note wouldn't do the show justice. If things end up all nice and perfect I'm not sure how I'll feel.
I have the same feeling...the ending to me needs to be something more positive than Sopranos (I hate how Tony died, and I only came to terms with it last week) and something more like Battlestar without the "rush" to tie things up (Starbuck's ending was frustrating yet awesome).
I feel like they've set up a sort of set it all up like the Iliad in terms of two sides and a cast of Gods, Demigods, Mortals and mythical powers. But it's not simply that. I mean when you think about it, it's always the classics - Romeo, Homer, "Philosophers"...maybe it's about all the LOST culture that we forget about in the name of Kardashian
Kim Kardashian's fat ass IS the island. you don't want to know what the black smoke really is...
I'm not sure what to think about starbucks role. I'm not sure if I got the point. she was all human and all dead but like was a ghost? I don't get it. was she jesus christ or something? totally called the first earth not being the real earth. You know it's earth when they show you africa. that's what's up.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm not sure. I think there is elements from all the mythology relating to the boar, desmond, etc. Each character has their own story with a fusion of the ideas. I think that's why they always mention so many different books. It's not specifically, say exactly like the Illiad/Odyssey but uses a lot of the elements. The amount of literature, film, music, etc that they've introduced is ridiculous. There are star wars, back to the future, comparisons thrown in there all the time. Romeo and Juliet is an obvious one.
I think they're going for some hybrid Shakespearean type Tragedy for the new millennium. There is so much fucking tension in the show, it's practically what it's built off of. For them not to end on some sort of bitter sweet note wouldn't do the show justice. If things end up all nice and perfect I'm not sure how I'll feel.
I have the same feeling...the ending to me needs to be something more positive than Sopranos (I hate how Tony died, and I only came to terms with it last week) and something more like Battlestar without the "rush" to tie things up (Starbuck's ending was frustrating yet awesome).
I feel like they've set up a sort of set it all up like the Iliad in terms of two sides and a cast of Gods, Demigods, Mortals and mythical powers. But it's not simply that. I mean when you think about it, it's always the classics - Romeo, Homer, "Philosophers"...maybe it's about all the LOST culture that we forget about in the name of Kardashian
Kim Kardashian's fat ass IS the island. you don't want to know what the black smoke really is...
I'm not sure what to think about starbucks role. I'm not sure if I got the point. she was all human and all dead but like was a ghost? I don't get it. was she jesus christ or something? totally called the first earth not being the real earth. You know it's earth when they show you africa. that's what's up.
I took it as Starbuck came back as an angel of sorts. I think they intentionally didn't explain it...and if they did, it wouldn't have been nice at all, ya know? Its one of those things that just had to be left as it was. Sure, we may not have closure, but as a result I think we all felt like Lee instead of watching how Lee felt.
I think LOST is going to do a lot of that for us because they've never been big on "showing" us how to feel, they're big on letting us figure it out for ourselves and putting ourselves in the middle of it all, ya know?
When you think about it, from the moment Starbuck goes rogue, her character could just as well have been on LOST
I know what you're saying. I thought Battlestar Galactica was pretty good but would have been better if it was shorter. There were a lot of fairly boring episodes. The characters definitely grew on me, others not so much. I hated that Helen bitch from the second she was introduced. She was obviously a skin job too. I thought she was the most annoying character in the show and one of the worst of the actors. The other chicks were so damn hot though.
I'm hoping lost will be a little more satisfying in the sense of not being too predictable as it comes to a close.
Also hear what you're saying about the director/writers putting you in Lee's position instead of watching how Lee felt. We are on the same time line as 815, it's cool how they make that perspective sink in. After a couple episodes of the first season it really does feel like you yourself are trapped on the island saying "what the fuck is going on?".
I assume the next couple episodes are going to be desmond meeting up with the losties in both timelines giving closure to the one timeline until the last moment when they reveal that MiB is HIV.
Think about it.
WTF?
QuoteWTF?
srsly.
Next week is going to be amazing. So.. thoughts? John Locke's character get's completely pissed on no matter what timeline. I literally feel bad for him. I have never been able to truly hate any incarnation of John but damn Desmond, hitting a man in a wheel chair with a car is pretty extreme haha.
It seems like when people have their flashes of the previous timeline they remember everything of it from start to finish. It's too simple to think Desmond hit John because MiB threw him in the well. I believe Jack and John are each others constant. Which is the ultimate pay off I can think of. we all took notice and said john is going to get spinal surgery from jack. It just wasn't on his own free will, it was desmond who gave him "a little push". haha. fuck man, John Locke has gotten pissed on for 6years straight and he's a totally nice dude at the heart of it. Good fucking writing.
The Michael/People who did bad stuff on the island explanation for the whispers is interesting but it still does not explain Christian one bit. Right now Desmond is literally sitting on a pocket of magnetic energy, I wonder if it is having an effect on his actions?
Libby only "liked" Hurley? What a loose slut. She's hot though. Her eye kinda looked like Thom Yorke's eye in one of the shots. I'd still tap it.
Confirmed this episode:
-Memories Transfer to the Alternate Timeline, for the good or the bad?
-Hurley is a cold straight baller.
I almost wonder if the man in black gains energy from each person he kills. I noticed he seemed to be making a staff with the similar attitude Eko had. I want an Eko comeback, BAD. but if he was seen off the island by Hurley does that mean his "soul" is trapped on the island? thus is this why Michael and Walt were not on the plane? Because his consciousness was trapped on the island and could not transition to the next "ring" of the circle. the next doll within a doll so to speak.
damn this shit is tight as fuck. I want to see desmond shoot lasers or something from his hands.
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude
First, Willy Wonka? Supwidat?
Goddammit Hurley.
Anyway, I'm wondering if Desmond touching Locke's hand will change Desmond in the other world.
I'm also wondering if Hurley's luck will now change
And I'm wondering if Desmond ran over Locke due to being aware of the Island or because he needs everyone at the Hospital, which makes me wonder if the Hospital is Zuul.
I'm guessing Desmond is like a Zipper and his job is to make the two ends meet.
I think it's unbelievably clear now that Locke is 100% not good
QuoteDuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude
First, Willy Wonka? Supwidat?
Goddammit Hurley.
Anyway, I'm wondering if Desmond touching Locke's hand will change Desmond in the other world.
I'm also wondering if Hurley's luck will now change
And I'm wondering if Desmond ran over Locke due to being aware of the Island or because he needs everyone at the Hospital, which makes me wonder if the Hospital is Zuul.
I'm guessing Desmond is like a Zipper and his job is to make the two ends meet.
I think it's unbelievably clear now that Locke is 100% not good
what the fuck is zuul?! mind still fried from being blown.
QuoteQuoteDuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude
First, Willy Wonka? Supwidat?
Goddammit Hurley.
Anyway, I'm wondering if Desmond touching Locke's hand will change Desmond in the other world.
I'm also wondering if Hurley's luck will now change
And I'm wondering if Desmond ran over Locke due to being aware of the Island or because he needs everyone at the Hospital, which makes me wonder if the Hospital is Zuul.
I'm guessing Desmond is like a Zipper and his job is to make the two ends meet.
I think it's unbelievably clear now that Locke is 100% not good
what the fuck is zuul?! mind still fried from being blown.
From Wikipedia:
QuoteThe Ghostbusters are hired by a woman named Dana Barrett, whose apartment at 55 Central Park West is haunted by a demonic spirit called Zuul, a demigod worshiped in 6000 BC as a servant to Gozer the Gozerian, a Sumerian shape-shifting god. Venkman, who finds Dana attractive, takes a particular interest in the case, competing for her affection with her socially-inept neighbor Louis Tully. As they look into the matter, Dana is possessed by Zuul, which declares itself "The Gatekeeper". Louis is also discovered to be possessed by a similar demon called Vinz Clortho, "The Keymaster". Both demons speak of the coming of the destructive god Gozer, and the Ghostbusters decide it would be prudent to keep the two separated from each other. However, the next day, the Ghostbusters office is visited by Walter Peck of the EPA, who arrests the team and orders their ghost containment grid shut down, unleashing hundreds of ghosts onto New York City. Freed from the Ghostbusters' protective custody, Louis/Vinz begins making his way toward Dana/Zuul's apartment as the escaped ghosts create havoc throughout the city.
In other words, everyone has to gather at the Hospital where the gate keeper lies.
EDIT 2: Sorry, I mistyped in my excitement. The hospital isn't Zuul, but like in Ghostbusters, it's where the Gatekeeper will meet the Keymaster.
QuoteQuoteWTF?
srsly.
Next week is going to be amazing. So.. thoughts? John Locke's character get's completely pissed on no matter what timeline. I literally feel bad for him. I have never been able to truly hate any incarnation of John but damn Desmond, hitting a man in a wheel chair with a car is pretty extreme haha.
It seems like when people have their flashes of the previous timeline they remember everything of it from start to finish. It's too simple to think Desmond hit John because MiB threw him in the well. I believe Jack and John are each others constant. Which is the ultimate pay off I can think of. we all took notice and said john is going to get spinal surgery from jack. It just wasn't on his own free will, it was desmond who gave him "a little push". haha. fuck man, John Locke has gotten pissed on for 6years straight and he's a totally nice dude at the heart of it. Good fucking writing.
The Michael/People who did bad stuff on the island explanation for the whispers is interesting but it still does not explain Christian one bit. Right now Desmond is literally sitting on a pocket of magnetic energy, I wonder if it is having an effect on his actions?
Libby only "liked" Hurley? What a loose slut. She's hot though. Her eye kinda looked like Thom Yorke's eye in one of the shots. I'd still tap it.
Confirmed this episode:
-Memories Transfer to the Alternate Timeline, for the good or the bad?
-Hurley is a cold straight baller.
I almost wonder if the man in black gains energy from each person he kills. I noticed he seemed to be making a staff with the similar attitude Eko had. I want an Eko comeback, BAD. but if he was seen off the island by Hurley does that mean his "soul" is trapped on the island? thus is this why Michael and Walt were not on the plane? Because his consciousness was trapped on the island and could not transition to the next "ring" of the circle. the next doll within a doll so to speak.
damn this shit is tight as fuck. I want to see desmond shoot lasers or something from his hands.
I think you're right, Jack and John must be the constants. But are they gonna kiss? What is the significance of having everyone meet up? Aside from memories merging, what consequence will it have?
I wonder if people on the Island suddenly realize that in their "other life" they have everything they want if they'd make changes. For example...if Hurley knows he has Libby, would he want to make the same choices?
QuoteQuoteQuoteWTF?
srsly.
Next week is going to be amazing. So.. thoughts? John Locke's character get's completely pissed on no matter what timeline. I literally feel bad for him. I have never been able to truly hate any incarnation of John but damn Desmond, hitting a man in a wheel chair with a car is pretty extreme haha.
It seems like when people have their flashes of the previous timeline they remember everything of it from start to finish. It's too simple to think Desmond hit John because MiB threw him in the well. I believe Jack and John are each others constant. Which is the ultimate pay off I can think of. we all took notice and said john is going to get spinal surgery from jack. It just wasn't on his own free will, it was desmond who gave him "a little push". haha. fuck man, John Locke has gotten pissed on for 6years straight and he's a totally nice dude at the heart of it. Good fucking writing.
The Michael/People who did bad stuff on the island explanation for the whispers is interesting but it still does not explain Christian one bit. Right now Desmond is literally sitting on a pocket of magnetic energy, I wonder if it is having an effect on his actions?
Libby only "liked" Hurley? What a loose slut. She's hot though. Her eye kinda looked like Thom Yorke's eye in one of the shots. I'd still tap it.
Confirmed this episode:
-Memories Transfer to the Alternate Timeline, for the good or the bad?
-Hurley is a cold straight baller.
I almost wonder if the man in black gains energy from each person he kills. I noticed he seemed to be making a staff with the similar attitude Eko had. I want an Eko comeback, BAD. but if he was seen off the island by Hurley does that mean his "soul" is trapped on the island? thus is this why Michael and Walt were not on the plane? Because his consciousness was trapped on the island and could not transition to the next "ring" of the circle. the next doll within a doll so to speak.
damn this shit is tight as fuck. I want to see desmond shoot lasers or something from his hands.
I think you're right, Jack and John must be the constants. But are they gonna kiss? What is the significance of having everyone meet up? Aside from memories merging, what consequence will it have?
I wonder if people on the Island suddenly realize that in their "other life" they have everything they want if they'd make changes. For example...if Hurley knows he has Libby, would he want to make the same choices?
There is def. a possibility of some J on J action. If Locke is having spinal surgery then he's mostly likely going to have to take off his underwear in case he poops or pees while they're operating. maybe Jack will give his balls a quick, soft stroke - insert time flash - and then bam! an Alien busts out of John Locke's chest and it says "LOST" (end of series.)
OH, and I'm VERY upset at the writers. Golden opportunity missed!
[Locke returns to camp after tossing Desmond in the well]
Sayid: How's Desmond?
Locke: He's...WELL
oh and desmond would tell them it worked if he could, but he can't because locke stuck him in that stupid fucking well. I'm waiting for the Sawyer/Sayid showdown as well.
at first I thought maybe he killed locke because locke's body would be MiB's conduit to the other side but that's unlikely since the poon jolly MiB only has christians shoes. He's in the form of locke but is that because he was claimed early on?
QuoteOH, and I'm VERY upset at the writers. Golden opportunity missed!
[Locke returns to camp after tossing Desmond in the well]
Sayid: How's Desmond?
Locke: He's...WELL
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yl3UMO-TkE[/media]
Quoteoh and desmond would tell them it worked if he could, but he can't because locke stuck him in that stupid fucking well. I'm waiting for the Sawyer/Sayid showdown as well.
at first I thought maybe he killed locke because locke's body would be MiB's conduit to the other side but that's unlikely since the poon jolly MiB only has christians shoes. He's in the form of locke but is that because he was claimed early on?
You raise an interesting point. So let's say that the two worlds don't merge by people meeting their constants and having their minds combine, but instead physically leave the island. We're gonna have some duality issues when you have two people located in two locations at the same time, ya know?
SOMETHING ELSE!
In the "original world", what is going on back in the rest of the world? Usually they give us clues...they'd show us baseball clips, etc. As far as everyone was concerned, Oceanic was a tragedy and there were 6 survivors who became (undeserving) celebrities.
I know that we'd all love it if Kate Gosselin vanished one day, but at the same time, wouldn't we also be like "Where the fuck is Kate Gosselin?"
QuoteQuoteoh and desmond would tell them it worked if he could, but he can't because locke stuck him in that stupid fucking well. I'm waiting for the Sawyer/Sayid showdown as well.
at first I thought maybe he killed locke because locke's body would be MiB's conduit to the other side but that's unlikely since the poon jolly MiB only has christians shoes. He's in the form of locke but is that because he was claimed early on?
You raise an interesting point. So let's say that the two worlds don't merge by people meeting their constants and having their minds combine, but instead physically leave the island. We're gonna have some duality issues when you have two people located in two locations at the same time, ya know?
I don't know if they can dopple gang bang it out with that many episodes left, can they? I thought the reason babies couldn't exist at certain times and whatever was possibly because of time/space rules. the consciousness can merge but there is never more than one. So, in most cases so far people have been rewarded or seem better off in time line 2 correct? except Charlie who is running madly looking for his blonde constant Claire. Aaron wasn't conceived on the island and Ling Yow or whatever Sun/Jin's kid's name was. So is that why sun got shot in the uterus? So the baby couldn't exist? because if that baby exists the world would stop existing? or is Aaron MiB?
Rose still has cancer like a bitch in the alternate timeline and she's always been nice as fuck but has never trusted lock. Richard said Jacob never tells them what to do. Is This True? I think that depends by what you consider "tell" to me. He definitely influences the fuck out of them. Vincent is totally Jacob.
QuoteSOMETHING ELSE!
In the "original world", what is going on back in the rest of the world? Usually they give us clues...they'd show us baseball clips, etc. As far as everyone was concerned, Oceanic was a tragedy and there were 6 survivors who became (undeserving) celebrities.
I know that we'd all love it if Kate Gosselin vanished one day, but at the same time, wouldn't we also be like "Where the fuck is Kate Gosselin?"
Shit got reset yo and MIB won? but like you said we aren't aware if you can travel between the two time lines. desmond does seem like the bridge between the two universes. Clairvoyant n shit.
QuoteQuoteWTF?
srsly.
ditto
QuoteI almost wonder if the man in black gains energy from each person he kills. I noticed he seemed to be making a staff with the similar attitude Eko had.
Good catch! That could just be some foreshadowing...
QuoteI want an Eko comeback, BAD.
Me too, and I think it is very possible...we got Libby and Michael tonight.
I was thinking about Eko too, I think he's the only "dead" character yet to make a appearance to Hurley or otherwise...am I wrong?
QuoteI was thinking about Eko too, I think he's the only "dead" character yet to make a appearance to Hurley or otherwise...am I wrong?
hurley was playing chess with him at the mental asylum when sayid picked him up but it wasn't visible to us, the viewer.
oh yeah, that's right.
QuoteIn other words, everyone has to gather at the Hospital where the gate keeper lies.
EDIT 2: Sorry, I mistyped in my excitement. The hospital isn't Zuul, but like in Ghostbusters, it's where the Gatekeeper will meet the Keymaster.
DUDE! what if Locke dies again and they all go to the funeral and that's the end?
oh yeah and Hume = 42 I think.
Is Hurley "Dante" from the Divine Comedy? He talks to dead people... ends up with his love in a heaven like scenario so far... But in order to reach Libby he has to battle his way through hell/purgatory first? I never finished the Paradiso part of divine comedy but there are things about lost that remind me of themes from it. Talking to dead philosophers, getting information from the souls, etc. Maybe Michael is like Virgil or something, guiding Dante on his quest through hell?
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/04/ff_lost/all/1
From the article:
The audience is saying, "I hope they explain the relationship between these two stories," and that, to us, is the only answer we owe. Because at this point, the characters are not aware that there's any timeline other than the one they are in. But if they were to become aware of the parallel worlds, what might they do about it? That becomes a fundamental question.
This is very interesting
Quotehttp://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/04/ff_lost/all/1
From the article:
The audience is saying, "I hope they explain the relationship between these two stories," and that, to us, is the only answer we owe. Because at this point, the characters are not aware that there's any timeline other than the one they are in. But if they were to become aware of the parallel worlds, what might they do about it? That becomes a fundamental question.
This is very interesting
tonight's going to be bad ass. I hope somebody bad ass gets the axe.
It is gonna be bad ass. I totally forget what happened from the cliffhanger except for the Willy Wonka
Also, that link I posted is PACKED with info. Not spoilers, just info. It'll take a lot to peruse.
And speaking of minds blown, what a great date for a new lost, right?
I only wish I had your login name. I've still got a residual buzz from the Lips show last night
QuoteIt is gonna be bad ass. I totally forget what happened from the cliffhanger except for the Willy Wonka
Also, that link I posted is PACKED with info. Not spoilers, just info. It'll take a lot to peruse.
And speaking of minds blown, what a great date for a new lost, right?
I only wish I had your login name. I've still got a residual buzz from the Lips show last night
I hope they all sit around and hurley busts out some really chronic dank, shares it with Locke and then Locke tells us tons of answers "That 70's Show" style.
That's awesome you got to see the flaming lips. That is one of the few bands still on my need to see live before I die list. My friend caught them at Clutch Cargo's last year or something and said it was insane. Confetti past the ankles. Any highlights? Are they touring on that DSOTM album or their original stuff?
QuoteQuoteIt is gonna be bad ass. I totally forget what happened from the cliffhanger except for the Willy Wonka
Also, that link I posted is PACKED with info. Not spoilers, just info. It'll take a lot to peruse.
And speaking of minds blown, what a great date for a new lost, right?
I only wish I had your login name. I've still got a residual buzz from the Lips show last night
I hope they all sit around and hurley busts out some really chronic dank, shares it with Locke and then Locke tells us tons of answers "That 70's Show" style.
That's awesome you got to see the flaming lips. That is one of the few bands still on my need to see live before I die list. My friend caught them at Clutch Cargo's last year or something and said it was insane. Confetti past the ankles. Any highlights? Are they touring on that DSOTM album or their original stuff?
Encore was Brain Damage > Eclipse > Do You Realize
iPhone-caliber pics:
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(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs514.snc3/26972_382552229876_683139876_3943719_7088396_n.jpg) (Wayne had some giant hands with frickin lasers in them for the end of Silver Trembling Hands)
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I'm telling you, the show was on par with a MMJ. You walk out of there feeling like a different, better person. They are perhaps the only other band besides MMJ that has done that. The difference is MMJ feels way more unscripted.
That's why I've seen the FLips over 5 times my good man.
those pics are wicked. I agree, they're a great, awesome band but they admit to playing to a backing track sometimes. which is cool if it's what's gotta be done, but MMJ just lays that shit down and they lay it down hard. I'd have fun at either show, both great bands.
Quotethose pics are wicked. I agree, they're a great, awesome band but they admit to playing to a backing track sometimes. which is cool if it's what's gotta be done, but MMJ just lays that shit down and they lay it down hard. I'd have fun at either show, both great bands.
There was definitely a backing track. I forget which song, but I think it was "yeah yeah yeah"
Anyway, so tonite's madness...Jack is flipped? Sayid "cured"? Widmore's latest betrayal?
QuoteQuotethose pics are wicked. I agree, they're a great, awesome band but they admit to playing to a backing track sometimes. which is cool if it's what's gotta be done, but MMJ just lays that shit down and they lay it down hard. I'd have fun at either show, both great bands.
There was definitely a backing track. I forget which song, but I think it was "yeah yeah yeah"
Anyway, so tonite's madness...Jack is flipped? Sayid "cured"? Widmore's latest betrayal?
I'm going to read that article you posted and then respond. It's hard to take it. There are weird things I notice and I don't if it's my mind just being a stoner or if it's legit lostage. we'll see.
I got the impression that the Island is just a metaphor for the hospital and vice versa after tonight's episode.
or
Airplane (crash)/Hospital is to Island
as
Life and Death is to Faith/Spirituality
I don't think the black and white rocks are meant to represent "good and evil" so much but mabey more "reality and spirituality"
I hope they all sit around and hurley busts out some really chronic dank, shares it with Locke and then Locke tells us tons of answers "That 70's Show" style.
Classic Quote In Forum History!!!
QuoteI hope they all sit around and hurley busts out some really chronic dank, shares it with Locke and then Locke tells us tons of answers "That 70's Show" style.
Classic Quote In Forum History!!!
fuck yes.
I think it's that cyclical idea chode was talking about a bit earlier. Only now I'm starting to think they are throwing in reincarnation. I'm thinking in cases of people like Rodrigez and Michael there's some evidence pointing towards that if you kill somebody or do the "wrong" thing you may not transfer to the next "ring" of the proverbial tree so to speak. Since they are all wiped clean from influence once they get to the island I think it's really just a roll of the dice from there. cause and effect.
The Connection between the two parallel universe has been breached. Locke said specifically he gave Claire something to hate. They were Aaron being taken and convincing her they abandoned her when they could have saved her. That psychotic attitude honestly seemed to get slapped out of Claire. My theory is Locke needs them alive and couldn't risk the madness anymore, he needs to make sure kate stays alive, for now. So he took it away, but like the temple fountain a certain innocence is lost from the murder and whatnot. Like Michael she killed supposedly innocent people, maybe not. The dude in the tent did say he'd snap her neck..?
Okay so Widmore isn't going to kill them yet but he holds all the "conscious" cards except for Jack. Desmond is like the Wild Card or something. When widmore threatened them with explosions tonight, he wasn't threatening to kill Locke, he was threatening to wipe out all of Lockes friends whom Locke most definitely needs.
Jack is called back to the island not by Locke, but by the fact that he's simply not suppose to just get there and then leave again. I don't think it can be that simple. I think he needs to stay on the island. It could be any of the candidates who stay, as long as any one of them stay alive and don't leave I believe MiB might be trapped there, thus he's all friendly with them, but he doesn't give a flying fuck. he would kill them if he could.
I noticed hurley's shirt started out initially as Red and now is Black almost.
Right, Right, Sticky but why does Jack WANT to stay on the island?
I think Jack jumping off the boat was symbolic of him wanting to "do good/save people" and at the same time coming to terms with Faith and a Higher Power playing a part in what he does. So if the Hospital is a metaphor for the Island, Jack's decision to be a Doctor would lead him to want to stay on the Island/Hospital but not just because he thinks he can do it himself......you can see Jack giving up his power, when he said in the jungle that he would follow Hurly.
So the balance of reality and spirituality becomes balanced with Locke and Jack.....Locke doesn't believe that science/Jack can cure him, but Jack doesn't believe that a magic island/faith can cure Locke....Jack cures Locke (will happen). They were both right and they were both wrong. I think Juliette will deliver Sun and Clair's babies in the alternate reality.
Based on the interview in the thing I linked to yesterday, it seems clear that Jack CANNOT be a man of faith because they still view the duality of Jack vs Locke as central to the show.
I think you're right sticky...Locke needs anyone to leave because if any candidate remains then he can't. I also feel like as far as the "science" the reason is a matter of thermodynamics. Each one is a "constant" in an equation as well, and you can't have more/less at the end of the equation than what you put in to it.
I think Widmore's new hostility is because (a) he doesn't know who has or has not been corrupted and (b) he doesn't know if it's a trap. More specifically, he may know one of them is "corrupted".
It's clear Sun has transcended the timelines. I wonder who else?
I think sayid did after talking to desmond. not sure, have to think about it a minute. no time at work.
I could have sworn they would have invoked the old anti-determinism debate when Claire told Jack that he made his choice the moment Locke spoke to him, the old "if you know your future, you have the choice to defy it"
You guys are killing me. I should be working right now. I love reading this stuff. Great insight all around. Where to Begin... Perhaps with the ending, I think the final scene will be Jack, the new Jacob sitting on the beach talking to MiB, now in Locke's body, discussing vaguely the rules of the game just as Jacob and MiB were as the Black Rock approached.
I think Jack jumping off the sail boatis the next step in him realizing he just needs to be on the island. Not that he has to control some task and get outcome C from actions A and B, like he always wants to. He's about to give in and just sit down. Then MiB is screwed.
I just can't figure out why Hurley went on the sailboat after being such a leader the last few episodes. Did Richard not notice them bailing?
Finally, Claire's deterministic statement was so much so that it's obviously not true. It's never been that way with this show. It's always this extremely weird mix of fate and choice but choice is always part of it. Clearly with Claire on the sailboat and Desmond not dead, she and Sayid are not "corrupted forever". I was ready to let Sayid go too, and he was the one that got me hooked on the show about 3 episodes in...
QuoteYou guys are killing me. I should be working right now. I love reading this stuff. Great insight all around. Where to Begin... Perhaps with the ending, I think the final scene will be Jack, the new Jacob sitting on the beach talking to MiB, now in Locke's body, discussing vaguely the rules of the game just as Jacob and MiB were as the Black Rock approached.
I think Jack jumping off the sail boatis the next step in him realizing he just needs to be on the island. Not that he has to control some task and get outcome C from actions A and B, like he always wants to. He's about to give in and just sit down. Then MiB is screwed.
I just can't figure out why Hurley went on the sailboat after being such a leader the last few episodes. Did Richard not notice them bailing?
Finally, Claire's deterministic statement was so much so that it's obviously not true. It's never been that way with this show. It's always this extremely weird mix of fate and choice but choice is always part of it. Clearly with Claire on the sailboat and Desmond not dead, she and Sayid are not "corrupted forever". I was ready to let Sayid go too, and he was the one that got me hooked on the show about 3 episodes in...
Excellent points. Perhaps, and this is probably not specifically true, but in a broader sense MiB and Jacob need each other to exist - without evil, there is no good and vice-versa. Similarly, MiB causes Jack to stay and Jack is going to cause MiB to stay as well, and I think it will end the way you said...Locke and Jack sitting together.
Then again, the writers seemed to indicate there would be no stalemate, there would be a definite winner.
Alright there is one specific thing that is bugging the fuck out of me.
Walt.
If Locke takes responsibility for Christian, that's cool. But MiB explains once again you MUST be dead for him to be able to take your form.
Is Walt Dead? Or is Walt an exception because he only exists in the crash timeline since Michael's "soul"/conscious..ness... is trapped there?
Sayid saved Jin and Jin is the main witness for that shooting. Sayid could get let off the hook and praised as a hero if Jin stands up for him.
Kate said, fairly convincingly to Sawyer that she didn't kill anybody. I kinda believed her.
Here are some caps of why I think explosives do not phase MiB one bit and they are purely to destroy the losties, his key to getting off the island.
People Freaking Out At Explosion:
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MiB not giving a fuck, not even blinking an eye:
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MiB ultra bad ass post-explosion:
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Final Scene of Episode, MiB once again, still as a stone. He is ground zero for where the bombs go off. Everybody, including Jack gets LAUCHED, yet he is still just standing there:
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Fuck those producers, they've lied and bs'd their way through the last 6 years it appears, they aren't going to give away anything just in case they fuck up big time with the ending. It must be a risky ending, which to be is the way to go.
I was also thinking about why Widmore would send the freighter to Kill the Losties when he needed Faraday there. I'm thinking He knew he wouldn't be able to kill the people he couldn't so he was just evening out the odds the best he could so Locke had a smaller army during the time we're watching now. Faraday was really the main reason the freighter was sent. It has to be the main reason.
Jacob is not some helpless bitch either, I'm betting he's got more to do with stuff than we can even imagine right now. He definitely seems like God. The Jewels in the center of the Island. Human Form of The Conscious Mind. Perhaps MiB is the subconscious or vice versa?
Maybe All MiB needs is One of them. If the touch/given object thing is important then we have some major overlapping and shit going down.
Jacob gave Jack The Apollo Bar.
Jacob gave Kate the lunch box and poked her nose like a lil cutie
Jacob gave Sawyer A Pen
Jacob took Sayid's Love - Touched Him While Map questing.
Jacob gave hurley a guitar case/note for Dogan
Jacob brought John Locke back to life. An apologized for "this having to happen" to him.
MiB gave Sayid Dogan's dagger back.
MiB gave/handed Jack a Torch after he was done talking to Claire
MiB grabbed sawyers hand when he almost fell off the rope ladder/saving his life.
MiB gave hurley his knife.
MiB gave Claire something to hate
MiB took away Sayid's emotions, but he did not counter in the fact that he was a trained torturer who is most likely trained in some kind of subliminal anti-torture mental tools.
MiB helped Desmond up. Later at the well Desmond looked in the well, MiB says something about him wondering how deep it was and Desmond replies simply:
"you read my mind".
Does MiB have the ability to read thoughts? Is that why Sawyer is the best liar he knows? How is that measurable unless you can read minds or something? MiB seems semi-precise.
No real conclusions just additions to previous theories.
This however is still how I see their "Multiverse/Universe" in the story:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matryoshka_doll
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Note: It's not a full/true spoiler because there is absolutely no context. It tells you who is called for in the scene and the "what/where" they're doing in about 5 words or less for each person.
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Note: It's not a full/true spoiler because there is absolutely no context. It tells you who is called for in the scene and the "what/where" they're doing in about 5 words or less for each person.
I had to glance at that after you posted it. too enticing. you're right it really doesn't spoil much.
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so the water trucks to me were the only thing that confirmed shit. I think we are all fairly confident the three characters mentioned would last until the end anyways. the weirder part is how slim the list.
the water trucks make me still think they're going to sink the island and that's why it's under water when they fly over it so the magnetic field missing the plane or something to that effect. but it seemed like that zoom in of it under water was the explanation, that shit is going to get sunk. no doubt. gives them a half-assly way to say it relates to atlantis. If it in fact is true.
I could random hypotheticals for hours about this stupid piece of shit show it's too dorky.
that is a REALLY interesting theory, but timeline wise, that means they're not "diagonal" right? Unless there are two universes. I guess that's how it already is.
I'm kinda thinking that MiB only needs one candidate alive to leave the island... IF all the others (like Sawyer and crew who stole his boat) are dead. Obviously from looking at the walls in the cave and the dial in the lighthouse there have been scores of candidates who have come and gone and died. If any of the candidates on the island now were to die, I think he would only need the remaining ones to leave. He's just protecting all of them to better his odds of getting off the island
wtf tomorrow is a re-run? bummer.
QuoteI'm kinda thinking that MiB only needs one candidate alive to leave the island... IF all the others (like Sawyer and crew who stole his boat) are dead. Obviously from looking at the walls in the cave and the dial in the lighthouse there have been scores of candidates who have come and gone and died. If any of the candidates on the island now were to die, I think he would only need the remaining ones to leave. He's just protecting all of them to better his odds of getting off the island
Yeah, it seems like he's only keeping alive people he thinks will benefit him. Apparently everyone has betrayed MiB, even Sayid. Desmond sure as hell isn't going to listen to him now that he threw him in the well and once Jack and Desmond meet up shit is going to get real interesting.
For real. They keep saying the season finale event May 23rd. Does that there isn't a new episode until then? I'm not too bummed about the repeats. I always enjoy the pop up episodes. I was pissed when dancing with the stars came on and Lost reruns got bumped. Fuck you Kate Gosselin, bitch
QuoteFor real. They keep saying the season finale event May 23rd. Does that there isn't a new episode until then? I'm not too bummed about the repeats. I always enjoy the pop up episodes. I was pissed when dancing with the stars came on and Lost reruns got bumped. Fuck you Kate Gosselin, bitch
no doubt, fuck dancing with the stars live. after they cut buzz I lost hope in america.
Lost is lucky Breaking Bad season 3 is starting kick major ass. there are "4 episodes left" according to last week. not sure if that includes the 2-hour series finale.
richard = 4
they bring it up in this recap episode that's on now. didn't notice it. he's reading luke 4. also the medicine the doctor gave him was fake. it was also White. Jacob influencing Richards path well before he got there? So Jacob could have potentially met Richard when he was a kid like the others. If they wouldn't have said that on the caption I would have never known it was fake medicine.
Quoterichard = 4
they bring it up in this recap episode that's on now. didn't notice it. he's reading luke 4. also the medicine the doctor gave him was fake. it was also White. Jacob influencing Richards path well before he got there? So Jacob could have potentially met Richard when he was a kid like the others. If they wouldn't have said that on the caption I would have never known it was fake medicine.
Hmmm...
Let's work backwards, maybe?
Richard = 4
MiB = 3
Jacob = 2
God = 1
That probably isn't right since it's not part of the equation, but it's plausible
QuoteQuoterichard = 4
they bring it up in this recap episode that's on now. didn't notice it. he's reading luke 4. also the medicine the doctor gave him was fake. it was also White. Jacob influencing Richards path well before he got there? So Jacob could have potentially met Richard when he was a kid like the others. If they wouldn't have said that on the caption I would have never known it was fake medicine.
Hmmm...
Let's work backwards, maybe?
Richard = 4
MiB = 3
Jacob = 2
God = 1
That probably isn't right since it's not part of the equation, but it's plausible
1 = polar bear (duh).
Richard equals 4 what?
QuoteRichard equals 4 what?
shit son. it's my guess at them vaguely explaining the numbers.
4 = Richard
8 = ?
15 = ?
16 = ?
23 = ?
42 = Hume
Kwon, Ford, and Shepard are #'s and I'm going to assume Hurley is a #. I need a screen cap of the light house wheel frame by frame.
This all pure speculation. I get the 42 because that is desmonds order # at the chicken place when he talks to hurley. and tonight I got 4 from them point out luke 4 for richards episode. but I'm grasping at straws really. 108 is the # of days all of the survivors are collectively on the island together right?
Makes sense. I think jack had a number in the lighthouse, i think it was 23
QuoteMakes sense. I think jack had a number in the lighthouse, i think it was 23
Jack is 23:
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Am I good or what?
QuoteAm I good or what?
not bad.
4 = Richard
8 = ?
15 = ?
16 = ?
23 = Shepard
42 = Hume
Is 20 "Rousseau"?
Also, I remember reading Hurley's number is the next earliest
Try this on:
Here are the numbers on the wall:
4. "Locke"
8. "Reyes"
15. "Ford"
16. "Jarrah"
23. "Shephard"
42. "Kwon"
Source: http://www.disneydreaming.com/2010/02/19/abc-losts-cave-wall-numbers-match-hatch-numbers/
More Edits:
2 - Lacombe
Member of Rousseau's French team
4 – Locke
John
Is number 4 (the lowest of all listed) the most likely candidate?
Man in Locke crosses out this name.
8 – Reyes
Hugo (Hurley)
What would Hurley think if he saw these and saw that he and his friends were assigned the numbers? He would probably freak out.
10 – Mattingley
Military man buried on the island in the 50s. One of the Others (the one who was ordered to cut off Juliet's hand) was wearing his uniform.
12 – Foster
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
13 – Beckett
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
14 – Pryce
Ryan Pryce was the Other whom Hurley ran over with the Dharma bus.
15 – Ford
James (Sawyer)
He wonders why Jacob would write his name when he'd never even met the guy and Man in Locke says that Sawyer probably met Jacob when Sawyer was young.
16 – Jarrah
Sayid
17 – Barnes
Listed on the lighthouse dial at 17 and 43.
18 – Kueffner
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
19 – Nguyen
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
20 – Rousseau
Could be Alex, but more likely Danielle Rousseau
21 – McHenry
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
22 – Moorhead
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
23 – Shephard
Most likely Jack
Could be Christian
Some say this could be Aaron
24 – Kluxen
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
25 – Asher
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
26 – Bozarth
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
27 – Dorrie
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial, though some are speculating this could be Naomi Dorrit.
28 – Howard
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
29 – Brennan
There was a Brennan on Rousseau's team (this Brennan is listed on the cave wall, and there is also a Brennan at number 35 on the lighthouse dial.
30 – Wade
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
31 – Toms
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial, however, on the cave wall number 31 is listed as Rutherford.
31 – Rutherford
In the cave, Rutherford is listed at 31, and on the lighthouse dial it's listed as 32.
Shannon or her father Adam.
32 – Rutherford
In the cave, Rutherford is listed at 31, and on the lighthouse dial it's listed as 32.
Shannon or her father Adam.
33 – Novak
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
34 – Grimaldi
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
35 – Brennan
There was a Brennan on Rousseau's team (this Brennan is listed on the lighthouse dial, and there is also a Brennan at number 29 on the cave wall).
36 – Syzmanksi
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
37 – Torres
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
38 – Lindstrom
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
39 – Mortoka
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
40 – Dowsen
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
41 – Turner
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
42 – Kwon
Sun or Jin
Could also be their baby, Ji Yeon
As most of the names are male, the consensus is that this is Jin.
43 – Barnes
Listed on the lighthouse dial at 43 and 17.
44 – Martinez
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
45 – Latta
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
46 – Osalka
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
47 – Gupta
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
48 – Stanhope
Harper (the Other's psycologist) or Goodwin, Juliet's lover who claimed to be a Tailie and was killed by Ana-Lucia.
49 – Meyers
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
50 – Gowner
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
51 – Austen
Kate
It's interesting that Kate isn't listed as one of the numbers. Also, Man in Locke didn't point her name out in the cave.
52 – Birn
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
53 – Driscall
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
54 – Olarti
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
55 – Kennedy
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
56 – Haasra
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
57 – Grimwault
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
58 – Burke
Juliet
Also could be Juliet's ex-husband, Edmund, who was killed when he got hit by a bus.
59 – Suzuki
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
60 – Kysea
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
61 – Davies
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
62 – Inman
Probably Kelvin Inman who was in the hatch with Desmond.
64 – Goodspeed
Horace's last name was Goodspeed
Ethan went by Rom, but went by Goodspeed off the island.
This could also refer to Olivia, who was in a relationship with Horace when we first met him, or Amy who was with Horace during Dharma times.
73 – Costa
We've not heard or seen this name anywhere else.
90 – Troup
Gary Troup was the author of Bad Twin and was sucked up into the plane's engine shortly after the crash.
93 – Luttwig
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
94 – Cohen
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
95 – Pollema
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
96 – Greeson
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
97 – Pallison
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
98 – Horton
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
There is also a Horton listed as number 112.
99 – Goodson
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
100 – Bardfield
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
101 – Faraday
Daniel
102 – Montand
The lighthouse dial lists Montand, who was the man on Rousseau's team who'd lost his arm.
103 – Horsman
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
104 – Lewis
Probably Charlotte, or could be one of her parents David or Jeanette.
In the cave, there is a Lewis listed at 140.
105 – Onaa
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
106 – Sregzyaski
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
107 – Thomson
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
108 – Wallace
Unknown person whose name was written on the cave wall and lighthouse dial. Number 108 is what Jacob told Hurley to set the lighthouse dial to, but Jack smashed the mirrors before he did it.
111 – Klein
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
112 – Horton
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
There is also a Horton listed as number 98.
113 – Worden
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
114 – Yamada
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
115 – Bargas
Unknown person whose name was written on the cave wall.
116 – LAMBERT
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial and cave wall.
117 – Linus
Most likely Roger
Could be Ben
Could also be Ben's mom, Emily
118 – Chavez
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
119 – Almeida
Unknown name written on the cave wall.
120 – Rodriguez
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
121 – Nielson
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
122 – Freed
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
123 – Clay
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
124 – Dawson
Could be crash survivor Michael or his son Walt.
Dawson was written on the lighthouse dial and the cave wall.
125 – Owens
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
126 – Renti
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
127 – Mora
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
128 – Paddock
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
129 – Campbell
Possibly Brother Campbell, who was the Abbott at the Desmond's monastary.
130 – Tillman
Unknown person whose name was written on the lighthouse dial.
131 – Jack(something)
Maybe Jackson as in Scott Jackson, a survivor of the 815 plane crash.
140 – Lewis
Charlotte
In the lighthouse, there is a Lewis listed at 104.
171 – Straume
Miles
Why was this name crossed out?
On the cave wall.
195 – Pace
Charlie
222 – O'Toole
Military in the 50s
On the cave wall.
233 – Jones
Military in the 50s
Charles Widmore was wearing his uniform.
On the cave wall.
226 – Carlyle
Boone
On the cave wall.
291 – Domingo
Military in the 50s
On the cave wall.
313 – Littleton
Most likely Claire
Could be Aaron
The name is crossed out despite both Claire and Aaron being alive, but perhaps Claire has been compromised.
On the cave wall.
317 – Cunningham
Military in the 50s
On the cave wall.
321 – Fernandez
Nikki
On the cave wall.
337 – Martin
Could be Karl (Alex's boyfriend)
On the cave wall.
346 – Grant
Military in the 50s
On the cave wall.
? - Sullivan
The guy Jack treated for hives.
On the cave wall.
? - Reynolds
Ben's boss in the flash-sideways.
On the cave wall.
Names not seen in the cave or on dial include:
Henderson
Rose
Hume
Desmond
QuoteIs 20 "Rousseau"?
Also, I remember reading Hurley's number is the next earliest
Try this on:
Here are the numbers on the wall:
4. "Locke"
8. "Reyes"
15. "Ford"
16. "Jarrah"
23. "Shephard"
42. "Kwon"
Source: http://www.disneydreaming.com/2010/02/19/abc-losts-cave-wall-numbers-match-hatch-numbers/
I'm starting to think Kate and Sawyer are 15/16. I have no real evidence though other than they always run into each other and bone plus they both met jacob when they were young. MiB said she wasn't a candidate but that could mean she is simply not one of MiB's candidates or something. Perhaps Jacob and MiB both need someone to replace them if they die.
I don't fucking know anymore.
wtf, that link.. wtf.
Quotewtf, that link.. wtf.
Here's a better one:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Candidates#Known_candidates
so MiB gave Richard that cross back right? How come he was just standing there looking at Richard/Hurley from across the way? Richard was calling out to him, did MiB simply not get back to Richard in time because Hurley beat him to it?
QuoteQuotewtf, that link.. wtf.
Here's a better one:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Candidates#Known_candidates
this fucking bullshit is what I'm talking about. They make you think it's ultra complicated and the fucking answer ends up being right in front of your face.
Rumor: Tonite is all MiB and Jacob
QuoteRumor: Tonite is all MiB and Jacob
don't tease me chode, I need this.
If tonight is seriously the jacob/mib episode I'm going to blow my load all over the place. this shit is going to be BOMB. it'd be kinda cool if they ended the series with a paradox or something.
OK, here's what I know:
I was told from a source about as reputable as another person just like me who sits on the couch and gets way into shit that the third to last episode before the finale is a Jacob/MiB episode.
That makes it this week, right?
Ok, so I did some digging. I think I'm gonna blue ball you, but tonight does not seem to be that episode.
However, if the spoilers I read are true, it's gonna be fucking huge tonight. Like huge enough that it will more than make up for any lack of Jacob MiB
But yeah, my friend said he read there is going to be one episode that is entirely MiB/Jacob with almost none of the other cast members to finally answer just how/why they got to where they are.
Perhaps next week...
EDIT: This is the official ABC Press release regarding the episode:
don't read below if you don't want to know the tagline for the episode
Jack must decide whether or not to trust Locke after he is asked to follow through on a difficult task.
QuoteOk, so I did some digging. I think I'm gonna blue ball you, but tonight does not seem to be that episode.
However, if the spoilers I read are true, it's gonna be fucking huge tonight. Like huge enough that it will more than make up for any lack of Jacob MiB
But yeah, my friend said he read there is going to be one episode that is entirely MiB/Jacob with almost none of the other cast members to finally answer just how/why they got to where they are.
Perhaps next week...
EDIT: This is the official ABC Press release regarding the episode:
don't read below if you don't want to know the tagline for the episode
Jack must decide whether or not to trust Locke after he is asked to follow through on a difficult task.
tonight sounds dandy. I've heard the same thing as you about the Jacob/MiB episode, I thought it was suppose to be the episode before the finale though. it'll be interesting tonight because jack never refers to MiB as locke he has called him "It" since he's gotten back to the island and he said specifically something about wanting to see why it'd be so scared if he stayed. hopefully desmond pops up also. if widmore were to waste everyone on hydra island, with the exception of hurley I'm not sure I'd care much.
balls. next weeks looks extremely tantalizing. mmm. jacob.
So after 6 years of redeeming pretty much the only arab character on the show, restoring the united states faith in sayid and his bad assness, after being all 9/11 about it when the show debuted. Sayid's character, man, what a bad ass character. To be totally honest I thought his death via suicide bomber was kind of hilarious. It might just be this chronic but man dudes, haha. there some loose ends to be tied up with this sub shit and we need to get it worked out.
lapidus - dead
jin/sun - dead. damn mang. they died all my heart will go on style.
sayid - dead as fuck. as I said above they still after 6 years made him play a terrorist at the end of the day.
kate - shot as fuck but can't die because that hoe is a still a motha fuckin candidate boo ya! she's lookin mighty fine with that gun shot drip down her boob all hot like. damn. I hope she lives because she loves jack again and that's all I really care about when the show is said and done. jack and kate plus 8 with walt and vincents ghosts stopping in from time to time to say hello.
I'm fairly stunned by what just went down. it was clever, not until jack was on the sub and mib wasn't did it seem like shit was fucked. I love how jack worked that psychology mind game chess match like a mofo. tonight's death's were hell sad if lapidus is really dead. that door wailed him face to nuts so I think he's done sons. fuckin a.
Quoteballs. next weeks looks extremely tantalizing. mmm. jacob.
So after 6 years of redeeming pretty much the only arab character on the show, restoring the united states faith in sayid and his bad assness, after being all 9/11 about it when the show debuted. Sayid's character, man, what a bad ass character. To be totally honest I thought his death via suicide bomber was kind of hilarious. It might just be this chronic but man dudes, haha. there some loose ends to be tied up with this sub shit and we need to get it worked out.
lapidus - dead
jin/sun - dead. damn mang. they died all my heart will go on style.
sayid - dead as fuck. as I said above they still after 6 years made him play a terrorist at the end of the day.
kate - shot as fuck but can't die because that hoe is a still a motha fuckin candidate boo ya! she's lookin mighty fine with that gun shot drip down her boob all hot like. damn. I hope she lives because she loves jack again and that's all I really care about when the show is said and done. jack and kate plus 8 with walt and vincents ghosts stopping in from time to time to say hello.
I'm fairly stunned by what just went down. it was clever, not until jack was on the sub and mib wasn't did it seem like shit was fucked. I love how jack worked that psychology mind game chess match like a mofo. tonight's death's were hell sad if lapidus is really dead. that door wailed him face to nuts so I think he's done sons. fuckin a.
It ached in my heart place. Next week looks good. What if the fate of humanity comes down to a checkers match between Flocke and Widmore? Lame.
I am sad about Jin in particular. I loved how he said "Sawyer".
Soy-ah!
That was a bit...intense.
Not much to say about this one going forward. Didn't raise any really "unique" situations, but goddamn that tied up a lot of storylines.
Also, funny how Locke lost his legs in a plane crash in the new reality.
Its interesting also that Sawyer is responsible for all of these deaths... I wonder if that is going to fuck his mental state up for the final episodes. Also, Jack has been slowly taking a more prominent role in the show. For a while he was just back seat, taking it all in- makes me think he is the one.
QuoteIts interesting also that Sawyer is responsible for all of these deaths... I wonder if that is going to fuck his mental state up for the final episodes. Also, Jack has been slowly taking a more prominent role in the show. For a while he was just back seat, taking it all in- makes me think he is the one.
Did he though? Obviously the bomb was rigged to explode and wasn't a total decoy. Was it inevitable?
Also interesting how Sayid was "done" with his job much in the same way as whatever her name was who was supposed toprotect jacob
QuoteQuoteIts interesting also that Sawyer is responsible for all of these deaths... I wonder if that is going to fuck his mental state up for the final episodes. Also, Jack has been slowly taking a more prominent role in the show. For a while he was just back seat, taking it all in- makes me think he is the one.
Did he though? Obviously the bomb was rigged to explode and wasn't a total decoy. Was it inevitable?
Also interesting how Sayid was "done" with his job much in the same way as whatever her name was who was supposed toprotect jacob
well it would appear that this whole time Flocke has been trying to kill the survivors/candidates... I think that he can't kill them so if the bomb was not touched by Sawyer, Jack would have been right- It couldn't explode. But since Sawyer touched it, technically Flocke wasn't the one who triggered the explosion.
and where the hell are Ben and Miles at?!?!
Yeah I'm with you on that one, I think Jack was right and Sawyer really effed things up. Remember the dynamite in the Richard episode. The island wouldn't let Richard kill himself, the same way it wont let MiB kill the candidates just like the kid in the woods told him.
QuoteYeah I'm with you on that one, I think Jack was right and Sawyer really effed things up. Remember the dynamite in the Richard episode. The island wouldn't let Richard kill himself, the same way it wont let MiB kill the candidates just like the kid in the woods told him.
Ok good point, but Jack really didn't explain it well at the time either.
Maybe this is a problem in the narrative, but I thought if you truly were a candidate, you COULDN'T die until you were "done". This is why Locke kept auto-healing and shit.
But then again, people kept getting crossed off.
Still a mystery why Kate got crossed off.
Also, side note:
I'm amazed at why people like my mom and my mother in law like to be so "obsessed" with the show, yet the questions they keep asking me and my fiancee indicate they had no idea there's two separate timelines. WTF are they watching?
QuoteQuoteYeah I'm with you on that one, I think Jack was right and Sawyer really effed things up. Remember the dynamite in the Richard episode. The island wouldn't let Richard kill himself, the same way it wont let MiB kill the candidates just like the kid in the woods told him.
Ok good point, but Jack really didn't explain it well at the time either.
Maybe this is a problem in the narrative, but I thought if you truly were a candidate, you COULDN'T die until you were "done". This is why Locke kept auto-healing and shit.
But then again, people kept getting crossed off.
Still a mystery why Kate got crossed off.
Well we know for a fact now MiB hasn't had to tell them the truth whatsoever. He chooses what information to give them.
So Sayid blew up because it was a sacrifice? Similar to how Michael couldn't kill himself until the freighter?
I wonder if the bomb could have gone off since there were people who weren't candidates around. Similar to Bram, he was in that ash ring and what killed him was a piece of the ceiling. In the first episode when the black smoke zooms in to blow up the plane it's the same thing. using other objects to kill them. Other people like Eko he could kill. WHY?! WHY COULD HE KILL EKO! because he murdered people in cold blood? I thought he did his 40 days of silence to pay his dues and shit. wtf wtf wtf.
these fucking rules. I fucking watched that episode again right after and it was still like god damn I wish chode wouldn't have told me tonight was suppose to be the Jacob/MiB episode and then Sun/Jin died and I was like "damn next week is going to be so fucking bad ass" and then hurley cried and I was like "fuck, what if MiB is Aaron?"
QuoteAlso, side note:
I'm amazed at why people like my mom and my mother in law like to be so "obsessed" with the show, yet the questions they keep asking me and my fiancee indicate they had no idea there's two separate timelines. WTF are they watching?
dude my mom started watching during season 2 and never watched all of season 1. "no mom they're not dead". "no that pilot from the first episode was not important, he is the actor who plays Matt Parkman on Heroes", etc. I told her it was about physics and that the universe on lost is the human mind itself. I think she thought I was stoned... I probably was... fuckin a I hope Jacob turns into Vincent midair like that dude from twilight who is a werewolf and in that one scene he does that backflip->werewolf. you get what I'm saying, it would be pretty amazing.
QuoteQuoteQuoteYeah I'm with you on that one, I think Jack was right and Sawyer really effed things up. Remember the dynamite in the Richard episode. The island wouldn't let Richard kill himself, the same way it wont let MiB kill the candidates just like the kid in the woods told him.
Ok good point, but Jack really didn't explain it well at the time either.
Maybe this is a problem in the narrative, but I thought if you truly were a candidate, you COULDN'T die until you were "done". This is why Locke kept auto-healing and shit.
But then again, people kept getting crossed off.
Still a mystery why Kate got crossed off.
Well we know for a fact now MiB hasn't had to tell them the truth whatsoever. He chooses what information to give them.
So Sayid blew up because it was a sacrifice? Similar to how Michael couldn't kill himself until the freighter?
I wonder if the bomb could have gone off since there were people who weren't candidates around. Similar to Bram, he was in that ash ring and what killed him was a piece of the ceiling. In the first episode when the black smoke zooms in to blow up the plane it's the same thing. using other objects to kill them. Other people like Eko he could kill. WHY?! WHY COULD HE KILL EKO! because he murdered people in cold blood? I thought he did his 40 days of silence to pay his dues and shit. wtf wtf wtf.
these fucking rules. I fucking watched that episode again right after and it was still like god damn I wish chode wouldn't have told me tonight was suppose to be the Jacob/MiB episode and then Sun/Jin died and I was like "damn next week is going to be so fucking bad ass" and then hurley cried and I was like "fuck, what if MiB is Aaron?"
Ok, so your posts make me think of two new points - one is sort of meta to the whole thing, the other not so much.
1) I wonder if the writers have taken the effort to create their own "rules" for the actions on the Island as far as who can kill whom, etc, or if they really are based on something else either in history, religion, or literature
2) Do we know if Jacob can shape-shift like MiB?
2a) Why does MiB need Locke to stay "anchored", or any body for that matter, when he could otherwise appear as anyone he needed to appear
2b) Back in season 2 or 3, how did Ben/Richard control him into appearing as certain things. Remember he could be summoned? Similarly, how did Ben release him that one time from that cave in his closet? What makes him have free will at some points, yet be totally automated at others?
I fucking don't know chode, I don't know at all. how the fuck do apparitions ala kate seeing claire OFF island happen if MiB can't leave the island? can he? Does he just want the island? Is that all any of this is over? the power of the island and simply that? I keep thinking of when hurley and miles were playing tic tac toe and they were like "tied again, what a surprise".
fucking A.
Is it just me or did mr. nads seem to know something when jack came to visit him? we can't rule the nadlers out, bernard, I don't know why but I like that dude. "I hope you find what you're looking for jack", same thing kate said to him, it's been said other times. lockes mumblings in his sleep.. anthony cooper brain dead.. the whole "I wish you would have believed me" thing or whatever it was. they are juxtaposing shit like crazy this season.
So, I have a theory for the little boy that MiB keeps seeing... could that be a young Jacob running around through the jungle?
Also, isn't this show all about fate/destiny? Eko couldn't be killed at first by the smoke monster because he had things he needed to do (remember they had that stand off and smokey backed down) but after Eko helped Charlie and Locke and whoever else, he was no longer necessary and therefore could be killed
QuoteQuoteYeah I'm with you on that one, I think Jack was right and Sawyer really effed things up. Remember the dynamite in the Richard episode. The island wouldn't let Richard kill himself, the same way it wont let MiB kill the candidates just like the kid in the woods told him.
Ok good point, but Jack really didn't explain it well at the time either.
Maybe this is a problem in the narrative, but I thought if you truly were a candidate, you COULDN'T die until you were "done". This is why Locke kept auto-healing and shit.
But then again, people kept getting crossed off.
Still a mystery why Kate got crossed off.
Yeah you're right about Jack. He was being a total bitch for awhile so Sawyer had no reason to trust him.
I think the island just has general healing properties, regardless of whether or not you're a candidate. Rose was not a candidate but the island healed her cancer. If candidates couldn't die until they were "done" then Ilana, whose job was to protect the candidates, would have been a totally useless character. Orrr maybe since she blew herself up all bets are off and MiB can do whatever he wants with them.
QuoteQuoteQuoteYeah I'm with you on that one, I think Jack was right and Sawyer really effed things up. Remember the dynamite in the Richard episode. The island wouldn't let Richard kill himself, the same way it wont let MiB kill the candidates just like the kid in the woods told him.
Ok good point, but Jack really didn't explain it well at the time either.
Maybe this is a problem in the narrative, but I thought if you truly were a candidate, you COULDN'T die until you were "done". This is why Locke kept auto-healing and shit.
But then again, people kept getting crossed off.
Still a mystery why Kate got crossed off.
Yeah you're right about Jack. He was being a total bitch for awhile so Sawyer had no reason to trust him.
I think the island just has general healing properties, regardless of whether or not you're a candidate. Rose was not a candidate but the island healed her cancer. If candidates couldn't die until they were "done" then Ilana, whose job was to protect the candidates, would have been a totally useless character. Orrr maybe since she blew herself up all bets are off and MiB can do whatever he wants with them.
I interpreted Iliana's death as a self correction or simply "she was done protecting them from what she was supposed to protect them from". So for example (hypothetically), she can fight fire, so she saved them from a fire storm, but now there's an ice storm a comin she has no defenses for.
With Jack's poor advice, it's clear that Sawyer also knows about the candidates enough that others most likely know how much he knows, right? So why can't Jack have just said "BECAUSE SAWYER I WAS WITH RICHARD AND I...oh wait, Richard is the only actual immortal one.
Nevermind, I think the original point is right...by Sawyer touching it, there is now an intervening cause that allows for death.
right-o
does anybody else think whatever it is Jacob/MiB are going to talk about is going to change how we view the entire show?
maybe I'm getting my hopes up but it seems like next week is seriously going to blow the show wide open. any conversation, every phrase either of those dudes have said has been important to the overall story.
I'm starting to agree with the original thought that Jacob/MiB are one in the same. I can't remember who suggested this, too lazy to back read. two sides of the same coin... perhaps they are both the black smoke as well as both having the ability to turn into other stuff, like appear in human form on and off the island, etc.. who knows.
if they can't kill people but can make them live "forever" that is weird also.
Just watched this weeks episode. Holy fuck. Also, I'd like to contribute more to this conversation, but I usually post from my phone on here, and it would get annoying. I enjoy reading chode and stickys posts though.
Have we discussed the Jacob/Esau possibility? I seem to recall some website referring to MiB as Esau, which would tie in with the religious themes. Maybe they're brothers- Jacob, obviously, being the good one and Esau, who gave up his faith
QuoteHave we discussed the Jacob/Esau possibility? I seem to recall some website referring to MiB as Esau, which would tie in with the religious themes. Maybe they're brothers- Jacob, obviously, being the good one and Esau, who gave up his faith
that's a pretty cool possibility. tomorrow should be mind blowing.
Ok, further research shows (no spoilers, really) tonite is all about the following:
- no main characters
- jacob
- MiB via Locke
- Backstory, backstory, backstory
I guess this is the one we've all been waiting for!
It's been a long time since they've done any backstory, with the exception of the Richard episode, which was one of my favorites this season, so I'm really looking forward to tonight. The backstories are what drew me into the show I think. We got to learn a lot about the characters and you begin to develop an attachment to them. The flash forwards and the flash sideways just get confusing, flashbacks are where its at.
I hope for Sticky's sake that tonight is the night we find out that Vincent is Jacob
QuoteIt's been a long time since they've done any backstory, with the exception of the Richard episode, which was one of my favorites this season, so I'm really looking forward to tonight. The backstories are what drew me into the show I think. We got to learn a lot about the characters and you begin to develop an attachment to them. The flash forwards and the flash sideways just get confusing, flashbacks are where its at.
I hope for Sticky's sake that tonight is the night we find out that Vincent is Jacob
there is no doubt in my mind that vincent is either Jacob, MiB, or both. no doubt whatsoever. There's no way a dogs a candidate and can't die? or is there? is Vincent the candidate? Is Eloise Medusa? hopefully tonight we find out.
ps. after this episode the next thing I'm most pumped for is the jack/desmond convo. if there is one, which I assume there will be since sayid told him to go get his ass out of the well.
can.not.wait.until.9.pm.tonight.balls.
weak.....seriosly? Any answers?
Frozen Donkey Wheel and Adam and Eve were solved, and pretty much every other big island mystery was at least hinted at.
I've been debating with the fiancee for the past half hour - MiB: the evil twin/inherently bad or only bad because jacob makes him bad?
Also, I think at this point they owe us two more answers:
- how the "light" lets one leave/mechanism behind the wheel
- why Carthage/how the other side is where it is
god damn these mother fuckers. I can't believe their explanation for the black smoke is the light swallowed that dude and then farted him out.
I think it's safe to say MiB is vincent perhaps. unless Jacob brought Vincent back to life.
They can't ever kill each other so MiB is now kind of a conscious version of the subconscious? Or what? Jacob got stoned eyed after he drank that wine/potion. So what were the powers he was granted? Life, Rebirth? and what else? I tried recording that bullshit but it fucked up. some of that shit I just don't know.
wtf. so did their real mom tell weirdo mom to call son #2 Claudia? wtf?
The light is the diamonds in the center of the paulo's doll so to speak (see paulo/nikki episode), they broke the inner shell/ring/layer and released the light/diamonds/god when they turned that key or something. Desmond is the opposite of the smoke monster? A Conscious Mind in a Body that can only live in each time line, since he got stoned on that h3tty magnetic light he can bridge himself with his consciousness and alter the future?
I really don't know what I'm talking about anymore, fuck that episode it pissed me off a little.
I think the color Red is significant to anything related to the source.
God or whateveer. Hurley wears red, the people at the temple. other important people. locke's wheel chair had red bars on it, vincents leash is red, balls.
balls, balls, balls. wtf.
also, it's been subtle but I'm pretty sure sawyer see's all the weird dead people and stuff too. what's up with that?
alright coherent thoughts coming now. got the dvdr working and am watching again, I enjoyed it more the second time.
okay. this is all going to be fairly random again but i think I see a huge correlation between John Locke & Claudia(MiB). They have the same attitude about everything. This reluctance to put faith in other people when they suggest they do something other than what they want. in other words "DON'T TELL ME WHAT I CAN'T DO!" Both Locke's said that shit.
Perhaps that's why Claudia formed such a strong bond with locke and was drawn towards. Perhaps Jacob knew this. Locke showed the same reluctance accepting his father was conning him, deep down it took his father literally killing him to change his realization.
Juxtapose that bitch for a second. Jacob's fake mom tells Claudia that she's sorry and then wails him in the head? burns the village down by herself? killed all the people? did they vanish or die? and filled in the well. she may have had the power to even move the energy? hide the energy? Jacob apologized to locke in a similar fashion.
Here's the main thought I had was the wine. that exact wine bottle.
when they drank it they became the same. richard drank that shit without the blessing shit, but maybe he's got some other powers than just life.
I thought the montage was lame at the end of the episode where they flashed back to young jack/kate/locke.. O'Quinn was and is the man though that's for sure. he deserves an Emmy fo sho in some form or another.
-Life
-Death
-Rebirth
= Infinity?
Dude, that shit last night just confused me. Sometimes I feel so dense watching this show...
I thought Claudia was their mom's name and they never named MiB...
She said she made it so they couldn't hurt each other. Was that really the case or was she just trying to keep them isolated from other humans and to believe they couldn't hurt each other but they really could? I mean, Jakob ultimately killed MiB, right?
Did "the light" feed on MiB, ultimately killing him and coming "to life" or did MiB take "the light's" power, shed his body and become the black smoke? When did "the light" go from life, death, rebirth, to all things that are evil that must be kept on the island?
So Jakob needs to protect "the light" but he f'd up and let it loose on the island but still needs to keep it trapped on the island? That's what he does from the end of the episode to current time? Speaking of time, when the f did this all happen, the 1100's?
Was the weirdo mom hoping for only one child and then everything would have been ok? Brainwash the one and move on with life, you've got your candidate and can go die now? Why did she think MiB was special but Jakob wasn't? So the game really was just made up and meaningless? Fuck, I could go on all day.
I felt like I knew what was going on after last week when Jack made his little speech as the bomb was ticking, now I don't have a clue... I think that was intentional on the writers part. It's not so easy as he's good and he's bad. Everybody's both...
QuoteAlso, I think at this point they owe us two more answers:
- how the "light" lets one leave/mechanism behind the wheel
- why Carthage/how the other side is where it is
So why does the wheel work after "the light" has been sucked out?
yeah bob, I have no idea. I was just fuckin around calling MiB claudia. so I guess MiB is satan? She kept saying she kept Jacob away from the humans so he'd be good. Did MiB hanging around the humans represent the humans gaining power of the energy? "they always want more". Is MiB out to keep the light all for himself? Is he now a manifestation of all of Man's flaws? It seems like as soon as he left to go with the men he became corrupted, at least to the weirdo mom.
also in the episode last week MiB loaded and handed the rifle to jack. MiB definitely can't kill them. I'm just wondering who controls the power of that light now that jacobs dead.
Quoteyeah bob, I have no idea. I was just fuckin around calling MiB claudia. so I guess MiB is satan? She kept saying she kept Jacob away from the humans so he'd be good. Did MiB hanging around the humans represent the humans gaining power of the energy? "they always want more". Is MiB out to keep the light all for himself? Is he now a manifestation of all of Man's flaws? It seems like as soon as he left to go with the men he became corrupted, at least to the weirdo mom.
I think it all goes back to free will and the ability to choose between being good and evil. There's original sin (or whatever you want to call it) that means we cannot be perfect. We all have evil and good within us. That's just part of being human. Weirdo mom was trying to keep Jakob and MiB away from any other humans so they never realized that they could be bad. MiB going to hang with the people didn't give them anymore power it just represented the recognition of evil's existence for MiB and Jakob. More so, that they could "use evil" to get what they wanted, which for MiB is off the island. The problem is, now MiB has harnessed the energy but it sure as hell hasn't helped him to escape the island. So what good is it in it's current form?
Jack is "the one". Does he have to drink from the wine bottle to make it official? I said before the series will end with Jack as the new Jakob and Locke as MiB talking on the beach just as they were as the Black Rock approached. Chode pointed out that the writers basically promised more of a payoff then that. Does that mean then, that the series will end with Jack finding a way to put the black smoke back in the cave and return it to it's prior form as "the light". At this point, I don't know where else we can go with it. Even if that does happen, Jack's going to have to stay on the island to protect the light and start looking for new candidates... That doesn't seem like a proper ending either.
QuoteQuoteyeah bob, I have no idea. I was just fuckin around calling MiB claudia. so I guess MiB is satan? She kept saying she kept Jacob away from the humans so he'd be good. Did MiB hanging around the humans represent the humans gaining power of the energy? "they always want more". Is MiB out to keep the light all for himself? Is he now a manifestation of all of Man's flaws? It seems like as soon as he left to go with the men he became corrupted, at least to the weirdo mom.
I think it all goes back to free will and the ability to choose between being good and evil. There's original sin (or whatever you want to call it) that means we cannot be perfect. We all have evil and good within us. That's just part of being human. Weirdo mom was trying to keep Jakob and MiB away from any other humans so they never realized that they could be bad. MiB going to hang with the people didn't give them anymore power it just represented the recognition of evil's existence for MiB and Jakob. More so, that they could "use evil" to get what they wanted, which for MiB is off the island. The problem is, now MiB has harnessed the energy but it sure as hell hasn't helped him to escape the island. So what good is it in it's current form?
Jack is "the one". Does he have to drink from the wine bottle to make it official? I said before the series will end with Jack as the new Jakob and Locke as MiB talking on the beach just as they were as the Black Rock approached. Chode pointed out that the writers basically promised more of a payoff then that. Does that mean then, that the series will end with Jack finding a way to put the black smoke back in the cave and return it to it's prior form as "the light". At this point, I don't know where else we can go with it. Even if that does happen, Jack's going to have to stay on the island to protect the light and start looking for new candidates... That doesn't seem like a proper ending either.
to the bolded. word. I get he didn't give the humans more power but what I'm thinking is this "light" which respresents life, death, and rebirth is essentially the conscious mind of all humans. The smoke representing all the evil in the world.
Jacob talked to MiB as if oblivious to how the humans truly were. but MiB reiterated that they're bad.
the whole "there has to be balance" thing is making more sense but that episode for me opened a shitload of more questions than answers.
so the donkey wheel's mechanism harnesses the light and water. it would make sense why it was frozen when ben when down there. also a seal that can't be broken.
perhaps Jacob is like captain planet now, wind, earth, fire, water, heart! yeah I think that's it Jacob is Captain Planet.
Quotealso in the episode last week MiB loaded and handed the rifle to jack. MiB definitely can't kill them. I'm just wondering who controls the power of that light now that jacobs dead.
Alright, so I think we have more of an idea now about what happens if he leaves - it's not that MiB is inherently deadly and if he gets out he's gonna go "seeya fuckers" and like wipe out the earth. It's that if he goes, somethign about that light gets affected. Now, obviously it's how Ben was able to come and go if he had to. So it's not simply turning the wheel that does it, so it must be tied to the smoke.
Last night's episode kind of blew. The story was lame and cheesey, we still don't know MiB's name, if he even has one. Allison Janney was an odd pick as the crazy mom. I couldn't look past the Juno/10 Things I Hate About You stigma and it was very distracting. It didn't really explain anything except why MiB can turn into the smoke, but it barely even touched on that. "The light farted it out" and that was about as far as it went. Also, I never thought of Jacob as much of a badass, but this episode made him look like a wimpy ass mama's boy.
A few things I did find interesting:
1. Another God/Satan comparison- Crazy mom told MiB that Jacob doesn't know how to lie but that he (MiB) is special. There's a bible scripture that says it is impossible for God to lie, another calls Satan the father of the lie.
2. Just as MiB appeared to Jack and Claire as their father, I think maybe the former MiB was appearing to the MiB we know and love as his real mother, thus recruiting him to the dark side.
3. I'm guessing the dagger MiB used to kill crazy mom with was the same one Dogen gave Sayid to kill MiB with. He sneaked up behind her and stabbed her in the back, not allowing her to speak, just as Dogen directed Sayid.
At least we now kind of now why he wants off the island so badly. His explanation of how he was going to get off was retarded as helll though, it pissed me off. "I'm going to attach that wheel to a system we're building that channels the water and light and when I do I'll finally be able to leave." Makes perfect sense to me! I know not everything in this show makes sense, but that just sounded so freaking dumb.
Overall the episode was a huge disappointment. Maybe in retrospect it will be more meaningful. It seems like it was a big waste of an episode when there was only 3 left
I'm feeling like there's a duality.. err. dichotomous relation with Jacob/MiB. The same entity split into two parts. simply another part of a gigantic system outside the range of our own small minded understanding. Not Jacob nor MiB understood the island completely while their mother was a live.
So let's say the island is point A. the start to the human intellect.
From what it sounded like the chick from the west wing knew what would happen if they went into the golden toilet. Even after Jacob drank that wine he still had no idea what would happen if he put his other half down the drain.
The west wing lady said "every question you ask will simply lead to another question no matter what you ask..", when asked who made her she replied "My Mother... and her mother made her, etc". she also said she landed on the island the same way as prego jacob/mib's mom did. They were brought there. The Magnetic Pull.
I'm assuming the reason Hurley has abilities in the current time line is because he was "born" with ___ amount of extra "energy" that the island is made of. A natural boost to his awareness. Same with Miles. He has more of a phantom memory type thing unlike Hurley's more Dante'esk philosophical way which makes me wonder if it's because Mile's was born on the island during the same time the time jumps occurred.
The more I think about the episode the more I think they told us a shitload about time travel and the actual system itself. It pissed me off at first because it wasn't what I had hoped for.
chode I hear what you're saying about the light. I think the question is will it go out and will the cycle start all over again.
It makes more sense now why MiB hasn't appeared as himself. The only person it seems like he could do that to is Richard since he seems, so far, to be the only person outside of jacob to know what he looks like. Jacob staying out of sight of people was a good precaution in the sense that if he did die black smoke wouldn't be able to pretend to be Jacob and cheat.
So that's my theory even though Jacob/MiB are not identical I think they are one in the same. (mmj'd) One is alive while the other is dead, now MiB in some ways in trapped in the body/mind of john locke? He has already said he retains the memories of the people he becomes (ie knowing the last words john locke was thinking before ben killed him, etc).
There must be rules to giving people power. Each care taker of the island is granted so and so powers to give out to make the system work. Maybe the west wing lady gave MiB some of the powers Jacob was "suppose" to have since he, in the end was the chosen one.
A big question is how Jacob was a loud to leave the island and why MiB can't. I'm assuming Mom made it so only MiB couldn't leave since she was planning on him staying on the island...
going to crash out.
as said above that knife is for sure the knife dogan gave sayid and the one MiB gave richard to kill Jacob. it took the life of the island protector or something? a powerful knife?
how did "mother" keep infant jacob and baby mib alive? don't babies need breastmilk? i feel like this is a bigass plot hole.
and the whole jacob v. mib thing boils down to "i hate you b/c mom loved you more?" wow.
>:(
I wonder why in order to kill whoever smokey is, you can't let them speak. It seems to be more than just their ability to lie.
So is it well settled that "mom" was also a smokey?
I think they had to just explain some things away too, like with that whole "and before my mom there was another" and as the saying goes, it's turtles all the way down. Regardless of whether you go scientific of theologic, what was before the universe or before God is just beyond a simple plot narrative that doesn't just become annoyingly recursive.
With that said, it looks like the roles are also reversed. MiB bases his knowledge of experience and empirical deductions through observations, Jacob is one of faith.
I wonder if Jacob can leave because he's like a full-functioning Desmond. Desmond can't control his mind slipping, but Jacob can, and therefore can be in two places at the same time.
And yet this all brings me back to the Flaming lips - If you could destroy the world with the flip of a switch, would you do it?
The simple fact Jacob says "nonononononono" means he must be good, while MiB's indifference, whether knowing or not, seems like a literary/plot device to show his deviousness.
And lastly, I leave you with Jimmy Kimmel
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfpBFYn-Jxw[/media]
that connect four million thing was pretty funny haha.
QuoteSo is it well settled that "mom" was also a smokey?
I don't know what to think about that... She protected the light, so I would think that would make her Jacob's predecessor. On the other hand though she was pretty evil wiping out all of the other people and torching the village and whatnot. Jacob has a bit of that side to him as well though, as we saw when he beat the crap out of MiB and threw him down the light hole. Both were done to protect the island. Crazy mom's response to Jacob's question about what would happen if he went down the light hole seemed to indicate that she knew what would happen, but not whether she knew first or secondhand. She was definitely a crazy bitch either way, but I would have to lean more towards her being the good guy and not a smokey
I believe we will learn that one of the most important lines from the last episode is when lil'MiB told his bro' that he could make up the rules when he had his own game...
From the time we ended the episode to the time we see MiB and Jakob on the beach, as the Black Rock approaches, Jakob does indeed create his own game. The point of the game is to prove that people can do the right thing, make the right decisions, be good even when faced with terrible temptations. MiB does not believe this is possible and is therefore willing to "take the bet", i.e. agree to Jakob's rules. Part of these rules are that Jakob picks people who are flawed (as they all are) and brings them to the island. MiB is able to play the part of the devil all he wants and tempt them but he cannot hurt them. Jakob continues to be let down by these people and he eventually crosses them off the list as candidates for doing right. After this, they are no longer protected and MiB gets to do whatever he'd like with them (a la Mr. Eko).
There are other rules that MiB must follow. For example, he was basically caged until Ben decided to release him to kill Keemi and his ilk. While he is caged he basically returns to his form as "the light". This is what allows the wheel to still work. If someone were to go down there now it wouldn't because "the light" is not caged, it's walking the island.
Back to the main point though, there is an end. Jack, the hero from day one, will do what's right. MiB was so convinced that no one ever would he wagered something big, like his grip on "the light". Upon Jack making the consciounce(sp) decision, MiB will lose. How it all plays out, I don't know but that's what we'll see next Sunday.
As for wacko mom being a smokie. I don't think so. MiB had to lose his body to gain smokiness. Wacko mom still had her body (it's now in mausoleum next to MiB's body in the cave).
Now, the biggest question I have is whether or not smokie is MiB. If he is, he's definitely the first smokie. Did "the light" use MiB to become smokie or did MiB use "the light" to become smokie? If you think about it, it's possible that the conversation between MiB and Jakob as the Black Rock approached didn't even involve MiB. It was just the smokie appearing to Jakob as his dead brother just as smokie is appearing to the Losties now as John Locke. Just as the Losties now know, Jakob knew then, we didn't. I say this because their relationship during that conversation seemed much different than anything we saw during the last episode. Regardless, they were brothers and they loved each other. It didn't seem that way with the conversation on the beach. Plus, at that point, Jakob was bringing more people to the island and MiB didn't want him to. Is this a conflict with what MiB wanted when he was alive? He wanted to be with humans, Jakob didn't.
A whole lot has happened since MiB died and the Black Rock landed. That's where the real story lies...
Quotehow did "mother" keep infant jacob and baby mib alive? don't babies need breastmilk? i feel like this is a bigass plot hole.
>:(
I wondered that as she caved the mother's head in.
I'm not sure if I buy into MiB being both the "light" and the smoke. that would contradict the 6 years of light vs dark. Though I do agree with the "this is jacob's game" to some degree I think the "rules" Jacob made are only part of it since there are already rules ingrained in the island so to speak. Their crazy mom had already implemented certain things Jacob/MiB could do. Ala his wacko mom being the one who makes it so MiB can never leave. Jacob for sure can leave or at least appear in the outside world. MiB not so much I do not believe.
When locke turned the wheel and christian told him to say what up to Jack, locke was asking him to help him turn the wheel. Ghost Christian was all "I can not help you", even after locke fell down the well and f'd his legs up. So I really don't think MiB can be both the light and the smoke since the light is essentially what transferred lockes body?
I think ben was aloud to use the smoke to kill keemy because he was using smokie as a weapon. There are no rules for ben really, maybe some minor rules but he seems to do whatever the fuck he wants. So maybe just the fact that he willed the smoke monster to kill keamy was enough? who knows.
MiB has never liked humans, he simply uses them to get what he wants. even when he was a kid the only reason he went to them was to help him leave and they fucked him over for 30years making him dig wells and what not.
When MiB entered the light I think it was almost a jesus like event. The light was cleansed of all previous "sin" or corruption. The only problem is now it's loose on the island trying to escape.
I think we need to think of the light as the ultimate. the center. simply a force beyond full understanding. something so powerful that neither of these god like men can truly control it's full power, nor could that wacked out mom. The wacked out mom did thank MiB for killing her. This could be for tons of reasons, she could have been alive for thousands of years, she could have been playing her own game, using Jacob and MiB as her own chess pieces. Giving MiB the game in the first place, planting that idea in his head. "you make the rules" "oh of course I know about the game, I left it there for you".
The mom pushed these two into this current situation. She set it up from day one.
The other thing is traffic to the island. Since, we can assume, the beginning of time people have found their way to the island. It is meant for men to find it otherwise it wouldn't let them? If the island itself, the light is a form of consciousness it makes more sense how the rules are regulated.
I'm thinking this shit has something to do with Loki and maybe this dude:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heimdallr
QuoteQuotehow did "mother" keep infant jacob and baby mib alive? don't babies need breastmilk? i feel like this is a bigass plot hole.
>:(
I wondered that as she caved the mother's head in.
they live on an island made out of God, I'm sure they found a teet to suck on.
also, when Jacob threw MiB into the light he was unconscious, possibly even dead already. I definitely think the smoke is only partially Jacob's brother, similar to how it is only partially john locke. He has his memories, he looks like him but he also contains other souls or personalities or who knows what.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnar%C3%B6k
I watched "expose" the nikki and paulo episode for the first time since it aired a minute ago because I remember the producers saying it's important.
It was interesting watching it now knowing what's up with MiB. When Nikki refers to the spider she says it's name is the "Medusa spider" because it paralyzes ya. the black smoke is heard but not seen. I believe he takes the form of the spiders to paralyze them. in turn Sawyer, Hurley, and Co. Bury them alive = kill them. MiB got the losties to murder each other in all sorts of ways. They made it seem like karma at the time but in was more of a move by the black smoke.
also vincent pulls the sheet off of the paulo and nikki when they are laying on the beach as if to say "yo they're alive don't bury these foo's I'm jacob".
alright so I just watched eko's last episode again. had a question and wanted to hear your take on it. So the black smoke doesn't actually kill Eko. He slams him against the trees, ground, etc. If he's not aloud to kill them no matter what did john locke kill him by turning him over/moving him ala if they wouldn't have messed with the bomb it wouldn't have exploded.
if eko would have been by himself would he have stood a better chance of survival? he could just lay there and let jacob or the island or light or whatever the fuck heal him.
Locke saw the light. He saw the source, that is what convinced him I think. Since we know his first encounter with the "thing" was not the black smoke it was the light the weirdo mom hid.
Yemmies body was taken just like Christians. Eko was given yemmie's cross via locke and then MiB all touched it smiling right before Eko was going to repent and then he didn't and MiB's face changed to mad pissed off. I think MiB was trying to recruit Eko then right? like the temple, those who don't follow will be killed?
It seems like Jacob wanted MiB to use locke the way he did. Locke was the only person Jacob apologizes to also. "I'm sorry this happened to you..." but when it came to ben he was all "what about you? " -stab-
In the same episode they have jack trapped in the underwater facility on hydra island, I believe Jacob tries to get Jake to kill Ben. I think Jacob always knew there'd be risks. Ben wasn't on a list, Richard took him there out of desperation or some bs.
Jack almost did kill Ben during surgery but changed his mind or something. not sure didn't re-watch that ep. Juliet was all "some of us want a change..." "we need to make it look like we tried to save him..."etc.
"Two Birds, One Stone"-John Locke
QuoteI'm not sure if I buy into MiB being both the "light" and the smoke. that would contradict the 6 years of light vs dark.
How else do you explain that when MiB floated down the golden toilet "the light" seemed to vanish and then come flying out as the smokie. Compare that to the fact that "the light" was still able to be harnessed by Ben through turning the wheel and moving the island? It seems therefore, "the light" is at times turned on and off... I don't know how to reconcile that beyond saying when he's out flying, he's smokie, when he's not, he's "the light".
Quotealso, when Jacob threw MiB into the light he was unconscious, possibly even dead already. I definitely think the smoke is only partially Jacob's brother, similar to how it is only partially john locke. He has his memories, he looks like him but he also contains other souls or personalities or who knows what.
Yes!
Good episode and good set up episode.
Ok, so they will all be at Jacks son's concert. I'm guessing the timelines get all f'n wonkier from there.
They are setting up the real-time and the sideways so that the Losty reunion and Flock's plan to destroy the island coincide. What will that cause? I have no idea.
QuoteGood episode and good set up episode.
Ok, so they will all be at Jacks son's concert. I'm guessing the timelines get all f'n wonkier from there.
good call on the concert. what is the connection between jack/faraday/jack's son?
when jack's son was playing that chopin song daniel played in timeline A I think they went out of their way to make sure that connection was highlighted. So is Jack's sons mom Juliet?
QuoteQuoteGood episode and good set up episode.
Ok, so they will all be at Jacks son's concert. I'm guessing the timelines get all f'n wonkier from there.
good call on the concert. what is the connection between jack/faraday/jack's son?
when jack's son was playing that chopin song daniel played in timeline A I think they went out of their way to make sure that connection was highlighted. So is Jack's sons mom Juliet?
That's what my money is on.
QuoteQuoteQuoteGood episode and good set up episode.
Ok, so they will all be at Jacks son's concert. I'm guessing the timelines get all f'n wonkier from there.
good call on the concert. what is the connection between jack/faraday/jack's son?
when jack's son was playing that chopin song daniel played in timeline A I think they went out of their way to make sure that connection was highlighted. So is Jack's sons mom Juliet?
That's what my money is on.
I hope so, after all Jack's been through it'd be nice to know he tapped at least one fine pure ass during his existence on the show. Kate with her sawyer love affair was a real turn off.
I also think it's Juliet.
Now do we have the return of Ben as a true villain? Or does he have something else up his sleeve?
Maybe this is all just a live-action Soft Bulletin, and we're just waiting for a superman to emerge or something.
As for the light and what caused the smoke monster, I'm resigned to certain mechanisms never being explained. I do think we need to know how smokey leaving causes the light to go out, or he can't leave if the light goes out.
And remember, there's a difference between the light going out and just being obscured.
Overall, I liked the episode and it really set the stage. I like the new action-desmond, though I am realizing I miss not having him around as much the entire season. It's like ordering a pizza and not having enough cheese on top, ya know? The pizza is still great, but it you still want more.
Does anyone know why Daniel's last name is Faraday? His mother's last name was Hawking, his father is Widmore, where did Faraday come from? Its not relevant to what's going on, just wondering.
QuoteDoes anyone know why Daniel's last name is Faraday? His mother's last name was Hawking, his father is Widmore, where did Faraday come from? Its not relevant to what's going on, just wondering.
I don't remember exactly but I think eloise gave him the last name because she was making sure daniel didn't know his father was charles widmore. Widmore funded all Faraday's early work, widmore paid for the home care for the dan's girlfriend after dan fried her brain. Even then Daniel only thought of Widmore as an investor of sorts or something I think.
not too positive, can't remember all that went down.
QuoteI also think it's Juliet.
Now do we have the return of Ben as a true villain? Or does he have something else up his sleeve?
Maybe this is all just a live-action Soft Bulletin, and we're just waiting for a superman to emerge or something.
As for the light and what caused the smoke monster, I'm resigned to certain mechanisms never being explained. I do think we need to know how smokey leaving causes the light to go out, or he can't leave if the light goes out.
And remember, there's a difference between the light going out and just being obscured.
Overall, I liked the episode and it really set the stage. I like the new action-desmond, though I am realizing I miss not having him around as much the entire season. It's like ordering a pizza and not having enough cheese on top, ya know? The pizza is still great, but it you still want more.
The thing that is buggin me out is now they're all becoming closer to their former selves. it's the most obvious in that scene with jack and locke in jack's office when they're back to square one fate vs. concidence.
Ben however is polar opposite of his former self. will Danielle Russeuox(sp?) and Alex remember what Ben did to them eventually or will they be oblivious because they died. similar to how Ana Lucia, according to desmond "wasn't ready yet".
They better not Battlestar Galactica us again. Like you said awhile ago chode the "this has all happened before and it will happen again".
who knows, sunday is going to be the bomb though. I'm sort of pissed that they moved it to breaking bad day though. It causes quite the dilema.
Speaking of Ana Lucia, it struck me as odd that Hurley knew who she was without skipping a beat, like everything that happened on the island had all come back to him.
It's intresting that it seems it's going to be a showdown between Jack and "Locke", but now Jack is the man of faith and Locke is the man of science.
Also, Jacob told Kate that he crossed her name off because she became a mother. He didn't cross of Kwon though. I guess it was Jin
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oh bananers.
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oh bananers.
Wait, it doesn't stop there, I even got some info on how the Losties make sandwiches... ;)
Jack1. Gather ingredients
2. Point gun at ingredients and shout "HOW DO I MAKE A SANDWICH OUT OF YOU?!?!?"
3. Breathe heavily through your nose as though you were about to hit ingredients
4. Give up and make the sandwich yourself, and eat it bitterly
Kate1. Make separate sandwiches, one with peanut butter and one with jelly
2. Take a bite of the peanut butter sandwich, declaring it the best
3. Take a bite of the jelly sandwich, declaring it the best
4. Repeat steps 2 and 3 ad infinitum
5. Follow peanut butter or jelly sandwich into grave danger
Sawyer1. Throw the jar of jelly at wall, sneering "I don't need no sandwich"
2. Call the mascot on the jar of peanut butter lots of clever nicknames
3. Huff and puff and stomp around and grumble a lot
4. When no one's looking, make perfect, even, symmetrical peanut butter and jelly sandwich and sit in a corner, enjoying every bite
Locke1. Sit idly by, believing that the ingredients will find a way to make a sandwich out of themselves
2. Lose faith and make the sandwich anyway
3. Realize that you were the instrument by which the ingredients chose to make a sandwich after all
4. Run around the room and grab everyone's knives, insisting that their sandwiches will do the same in time
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HEY! stop dissing LOST! wtf?!
those recipes were purdy funny.
on a serious note I think that cut on jacks neck is from somebody slitting his throat during "the end". or maybe a throat stab?
the only contradiction I saw in last nights episode was Locke told ben he could have the island all to himself after he left and then he told ben at the well he was going to destroy the island.
mile's is running around loose, desmond is running around out there somewhere, and richard I'm betting is still alive. hmmm.
QuoteSpeaking of Ana Lucia, it struck me as odd that Hurley knew who she was without skipping a beat, like everything that happened on the island had all come back to him.
That was the point of the Hurley episode I think...when oyu find your constant, you "merge"
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VERY good!!!
oh bananers.
Wait, it doesn't stop there, I even got some info on how the Losties make sandwiches... ;)
Jack
1. Gather ingredients
2. Point gun at ingredients and shout "HOW DO I MAKE A SANDWICH OUT OF YOU?!?!?"
3. Breathe heavily through your nose as though you were about to hit ingredients
4. Give up and make the sandwich yourself, and eat it bitterly
Kate
1. Make separate sandwiches, one with peanut butter and one with jelly
2. Take a bite of the peanut butter sandwich, declaring it the best
3. Take a bite of the jelly sandwich, declaring it the best
4. Repeat steps 2 and 3 ad infinitum
5. Follow peanut butter or jelly sandwich into grave danger
Sawyer
1. Throw the jar of jelly at wall, sneering "I don't need no sandwich"
2. Call the mascot on the jar of peanut butter lots of clever nicknames
3. Huff and puff and stomp around and grumble a lot
4. When no one's looking, make perfect, even, symmetrical peanut butter and jelly sandwich and sit in a corner, enjoying every bite
Locke
1. Sit idly by, believing that the ingredients will find a way to make a sandwich out of themselves
2. Lose faith and make the sandwich anyway
3. Realize that you were the instrument by which the ingredients chose to make a sandwich after all
4. Run around the room and grab everyone's knives, insisting that their sandwiches will do the same in time
;D
VERY good!!!
QuoteQuoteSpeaking of Ana Lucia, it struck me as odd that Hurley knew who she was without skipping a beat, like everything that happened on the island had all come back to him.
That was the point of the Hurley episode I think...when oyu find your constant, you "merge"
I know that during his date with Libby he started remembering or merging or whatever you want to call it, but I didn't realize that he had fully merged. I was half expecting that to happen when they all got together. I think we all thought it was going to be at the hospital, but its looking like its all going to go down at the concert
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the only contradiction I saw in last nights episode was Locke told ben he could have the island all to himself after he left and then he told ben at the well he was going to destroy the island.
I think he may have slipped up in front of Ben. I'm not sure what to think about Ben. Maybe he doesn't really want to help MiB, he just wanted to kill Widmore, which is understandable. Or maybe he was going to help MiB, but now that MiB said he's going to destroy the island rather than let Ben have it all to his own, Ben is going to con him.
Richard is totally still alive, MiB was just getting him out of the way which is all he can do
I think MiB is going to flush desmond down the golden toilet and overload the mainframe.
It is going to be awesome if jack can give people powers. It also makes me wonder if he's going to have to hand the job to possibly sawyer or something. If he can even do that. Sawyer is going to do something pretty bad ass probably. Miles has all that C4 in the backpack I think... I also still sorta think Locke is going to die on the operating table or something and that's going to make jack remember. jack didn't really give a fuck about locke when he was alive, he only gave a fuck when he was dead ie being the only person to show up to his funeral.
who knows though, maybe he'll walk again and it'll be a happy locke ending. It sorta seems like fate fucks John Locke pretty bad, we shall see come sunday.
QuoteI think MiB is going to flush desmond down the golden toilet and overload the mainframe.
It is going to be awesome if jack can give people powers. It also makes me wonder if he's going to have to hand the job to possibly sawyer or something. If he can even do that. Sawyer is going to do something pretty bad ass probably. Miles has all that C4 in the backpack I think... I also still sorta think Locke is going to die on the operating table or something and that's going to make jack remember. jack didn't really give a fuck about locke when he was alive, he only gave a fuck when he was dead ie being the only person to show up to his funeral.
who knows though, maybe he'll walk again and it'll be a happy locke ending. It sorta seems like fate fucks John Locke pretty bad, we shall see come sunday.
I think it will be something like if Jack wins on the Island, Locke survives in surgery, but if Jack loses on the Island, the surgery fails
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Nice! Tonights the night folks!
I don't know why but I have a feeling we might get some answers tonight.
I really can't believe that this show is almost over.
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Nice! Tonights the night folks!
I don't know why but I have a feeling we might get some answers tonight.
Between the 2 hour recap episode and the 2 hour finale we better get some damn answers! I'm really excited to finally figure out what's been going on for the past 6 years. Not sure what I'm gonna do with my Tuesday nights now
QuoteI really can't believe that this show is almost over.
I'm glad they went with the 2 and a half hour finale instead of just two hours. It'll make the final episode feel more satisfying. it's like Lost: The Movie tonight. it'll be interesting what they end up highlighting in the recap episode.
Ben killed his mother when he was born because the islands pull was so strong and shit. I need to watch that episode again. going to we smokin some buds and max relaxing tonight. after lost I'll hopefully be able to catch the encore of Breaking Bad. Amazing night of television tonight. ...never thought I'd ever say that with honesty but tonight is going to be entertaining as hell tv wise.
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Nice! Tonights the night folks!
I don't know why but I have a feeling we might get some answers tonight.
Between the 2 hour recap episode and the 2 hour finale we better get some damn answers! I'm really excited to finally figure out what's been going on for the past 6 years. Not sure what I'm gonna do with my Tuesday nights now
yeah it's insane. I've never followed a show this long and intensely while it was still on the air. I watched the wire after it was over so I missed that, missed battlestar. Lost will go down in history for network television. very pumped to see Jack use powers more than anything. Claire is still around and now possibly psycho again because they left her, again.
I think Sawyer ends the cycle since he's sitting in that broken circle piece of the plane in the season opener, it was forshadowing the fuck out his bad assness. Ben, I don't know what to think about him right now, awesome character but completely unpredictable.
Ladies and Gentlemen and Sticky, I'd like to say it has been an honor speculating, guessing, predicting, and otherwise bantering about this incredibly written and amazingly engaging show (even if the acting wasn't all there at times).
Regardless of what tonite holds for us, good or bad, answers or not, this rollercoaster has been bitchin', even if the last hill doesn't climb as high as the first.
Godspeed, and enjoy
(oh, and one last guess...so will this light be something like a solar eclipse - science can explain what religion gives supernatural powers?)
My checklist of things I'd like to see tonite:
1) Why is the island underwater
2) How the timelines interact
3) What is the light/power
4) Is Ben good or evil?
4a) What is/is there really good and evil?
5) Who is the hero?
6) What's up with Carthage/what is the connection or importance of the classical ancient world that gave us the glyphs, statue, and where the donkey wheel spit you out
7) How does the donkey wheel work
QuoteLadies and Gentlemen and Sticky, I'd like to say it has been an honor speculating, guessing, predicting, and otherwise bantering about this incredibly written and amazingly engaging show (even if the acting wasn't all there at times).
Regardless of what tonite holds for us, good or bad, answers or not, this rollercoaster has been bitchin', even if the last hill doesn't climb as high as the first.
Godspeed, and enjoy
(oh, and one last guess...so will this light be something like a solar eclipse - science can explain what religion gives supernatural powers?)
my theory in a few words is simply.. they are going to destroy universe in timeline A thus being able to merge into B.
I want to know if MiB wins or not, as well as how intense jacks powers are. I also predict that mr. nadler made the statue since they showed him making those teeth all statue-eskly.
It's going to be interesting tonight and it most definitely has been a really great conversion in this thread. i've been part of other lost discussions before but the people were so close-minded it wasn't it fun or worth it. everyone who has been a part of this thread has been simply awesome. this place is and will be legendary. enjoy the finale folks.
QuoteMy checklist of things I'd like to see tonite:
1) Why is the island underwater
2) How the timelines interact
3) What is the light/power
4) Is Ben good or evil?
4a) What is/is there really good and evil?
5) Who is the hero?
6) What's up with Carthage/what is the connection or importance of the classical ancient world that gave us the glyphs, statue, and where the donkey wheel spit you out
7) How does the donkey wheel work
I want to know whether or not MiB succeeds or if his quest isn't completely stopped unless they do something in Timeline B. I'm not sure if that made sense I've been smokin blunts, countin cheese, and fuckin bitches til their assholes bleed.
Uhhhhhhhhh whut.
20 mins in my fiancée has a beautiful theory: they all must "connect" before the island goes down to "download" themselves to timeline B like a cylon. So long as Jack keeps Locke alive in surgery, MiB can't transfer.
I top it off with the final battle being a race to save the Island from sinking or some shit.
Instead, all we get is a fake alternate timeline making this whole season moot and Jack somehow dying in timeline B.
No sir, I don't like it
Upon further review, I don't not like it, but I think it was a total cop out. I feel like they abandoned a lot of the mythology for this half A Christmas carol be careful what you wish for thing where you create a happy land to see your friends.
I feel like they dodged the big question. To explain why the island is important they show you how much it sucks I'd it didn't exist. Well, yeah, but you still didn't answer my question
QuoteUpon further review, I don't not like it, but I think it was a total cop out. I feel like they abandoned a lot of the mythology for this half A Christmas carol be careful what you wish for thing where you create a happy land to see your friends.
I feel like they dodged the big question. To explain why the island is important they show you how much it sucks I'd it didn't exist. Well, yeah, but you still didn't answer my question
If you don't like the ending to the flash sideways, keep in mind that can be taken as completely different from the island story. Just blot out the spiritual ending if you want and you still have a satisfying adventure story, albeit one that didn't answer all your questions. I thought it was excellent, though I understand it's gonna be polarizing. ;)
yeah I thought the end payout was pretty fucking lazy. of all things to go with they went with the fucking 6th sense ending. regardless, the only part that made the ending not totally gay was that ben stayed out of the church. life=purgatory or some shit. fuck it I don't care anymore at the moment. i'll probably watch it again tomorrow or when I get the time without the commercials it might be better. the episode was solid as fuck up until he's like "I'm dead?" or whatever the fuck.
hurley taking over the island/the plane leaving, lazy as fuck. unless it is what kimmel said and basically jack's test. since they're dead but alive you could even speculate that they were dead as soon as they crashed on the island. they literally made the ending as open as possible. the only for sure thing is they're dead as fuck but soaking in the golden rays.
shit breaking bad is starting. I love that AMC plays it at 10pm, 11pm, and 1am.
I LOVED this episode- I don't have time to get into it because I'll be late for work- nor do I have the brain power to try and explain it this early in the morning but what else could you ask for? When it comes down to it- you got to see every character you loved/hated/obsessed over in one place.
ok screw it-
The idea of souls traveling together through lifetimes- forming different relationships in each lifetime is beautiful- in that sense, all of our favorite people will live on forever. Ben didn't go in because either he wasn't ready, or perhaps he wasn't dead- that he is the caretaker of the island. The acting in the episode was incredible especially the reactions following the flashes of understanding, Locke's ability to grin as the man in black and himself and both be completely different, and Jack's break down when he finally gets that he has died- it was not over acted- he wasn't screaming "why oh why" it was the pain of letting go and embracing his father (who he had a tremendously difficult relationship with)
finally- the last scene, Jack stumbles back into the forest- to lay down in the same spot he woke from. Eyes closed. This show has always been about two halves- good/evil, black/white, science/faith, life/death... what better way to end it then?
also, since Vincent wasn't in the church- then he must still be kicking around the island- drinking margaritas out of a bowl and chilling. He probably is the protector.
I LOVE THIS SHOW! So happy I became lost this year!
I understood what they did, and do not really have any complaints. However, how was Ben and Juliet at the church at the end? They were not on the flight. So if they all dies on the flight, which we are lead to believe they did and the last 6 years was their struggle to leave purgatory, then are they not out of place?
Quoteyeah I thought the end payout was pretty fucking lazy. of all things to go with they went with the fucking 6th sense ending. regardless, the only part that made the ending not totally gay was that ben stayed out of the church. life=purgatory or some shit. fuck it I don't care anymore at the moment. i'll probably watch it again tomorrow or when I get the time without the commercials it might be better. the episode was solid as fuck up until he's like "I'm dead?" or whatever the fuck.
hurley taking over the island/the plane leaving, lazy as fuck. unless it is what kimmel said and basically jack's test. since they're dead but alive you could even speculate that they were dead as soon as they crashed on the island. they literally made the ending as open as possible. the only for sure thing is they're dead as fuck but soaking in the golden rays.
shit breaking bad is starting. I love that AMC plays it at 10pm, 11pm, and 1am.
Christian said it was all real, so they didn't die in the crash. Also, remember season one, on the plane Rose tells Jack "You can let go now." interesting. Had to sleep on it, but I dug it.
Yeah, I don't think it was that they're dead from the initial crash
I guess I'm just frustrated that this alternate time line was inconsequential to the character's arcs in the grand scheme of things.
I want to know why the island was so important. That's what it all came down to. And they explained it by saying "we'll show you how important it is by showing you how much it sucks if it doesn't exist.
That's nice, but it's dodging the question
I don't know I can't get over how retarded it was when they were in the church. I didn't give a fuck. It was emotional when charlie met up with claire and whatever but once they were IN the church that shit was lame as fuck.
I get faraday, ben, ana lucia, etc weren't in the church yet because they didn't have a chance to live a full life yet but fuckin a, they should have made the church explode or something.
they tied up some loose ends but made of lot of it work. I still think the M. Night Shyamalan/Mel Gibson ending was kinda weak. who knows. network television is a pussy sometimes for the sake of the viewers, in my eyes they sorta pussed out.
on my scale of endings, where Sopranos is awesome and BSG is average, this ranks one notch below Battlestar.
Quoteon my scale of endings, where Sopranos is awesome and BSG is average, this ranks one notch below Battlestar.
abc/disney is to blame. it should have had a more tragic ending with cliche hollywood explosions. I thought the way they killed the black smoke in general was pretty bad ass. making him mortal after uncorking the life force. Then the islands life force itself when jack restarted it was basically his soul that gave it the power. and I'm also glad vincent got awesome screen time at the end.
if I could create an ending right now that would be sweet it would be something like vincent is in the church and goes up to jack and jack is like "aww it's vincent! hell yeah, what's that you've got in your mouth boy?" ...vincent drops what's in his mouth and it's a bomb. cut to ben outside church. cut to black -LOST-
If I could re-cut the final scene it'd be sort of the same as what they did, but Jack lies on the jungle floor staring at the sky, sky goes purple, Jack sees a plane go overhead, the plane splits in two...cut to black - LOST
QuoteIf I could re-cut the final scene it'd be sort of the same as what they did, but Jack lies on the jungle floor staring at the sky, sky goes purple, Jack sees a plane go overhead, the plane splits in two...cut to black - LOST
I want to see hurley and ben protect the island. hopefully they redo it.
I guess the more I think about it, it is kinda cool Timeline B was purgatory. It makes me wonder the purpose of Jack and Juliet's son tho. I'm going to watch that bitch again in a bit.
So Aaron was important because he was Kate, Claire, and partially Charlies constant? Charlie was more Claire->Aaron. Same with Kate. Aaron capped off that awareness level off for them it seemed. Ji Yeon was Jin and Suns constant then? That leaves us with Walt.
How did he end up linking into the island to the extent of getting powers such as making the bird fly into the window and foreseeing people being angry at locke on the beach? So Walt is trapped in that timeline because of his father's choices? Maybe it's simpler or has been explained. I get Michael is trapped on the island and not aloud to move on since he was a fuck up on-island but it still doesn't quite explain why walt's soul would be trapped there? Walt is like the one huge loose end they didn't truly clear up and from the sound of the dude who played michael is was simply because Walt outgrew the character via puberty and they had to can that concept. argh. I'm more satisfied a day later. It felt like Lost broke up with me last night and left me with out that sweet vagina I know and have come to love snuggling into every tuesday or wednesday for the last 6years.
I wonder if pulling the "plug" out of the light was a joke the producers thought would be funny or something. "it's almost like a dude Carlton! get it 'pull the plug on the island" and we're pulling the plug on the show?!" "genius". Those two producer dudes are dbags, not that it's surprising a couple producers are dbags. They only have writing credits for a handful of shows. A lot of the episodes were written by some fairly creative minds (people from deadwood, etc) and they in a way got the shaft. lindolf and the other dude I don't know how to spell their names claim they made the exact show they wanted which is true in the sense that they made a franchise that will make millions, possibly even billions off of over time as it becomes more of a cult classic. in a couple years people who never got into it will watch it and think it's bad ass.
ironic locke died falling off a cliff/broke his back again.
wtf was up with sawyer not doing anything bad ass really either? that was sorta lame. the whole show him and jack are like bros and then sawyer kinda turns into a pussy at the end.
only being critical because I've wasted way too much of my life on this tv show haha.
i think the point of their kid was just part of the life everyone wished they had when they wished the island never happened (which was their wish when they tried to blow it up). jack wanted to be a better dad than he had, he never met kate, etc.
that's why when locke said "you don't have a son" it was sort of cryptic but telling.
you know how they could have really saved this? they could have made it a bit more trippy, like Tony Soprano's "death" trip. I don't know what it is about those 3 episodes where he is Kevin Finnerty, but there is this constant surreal element to it that makes it feel like an alternate reality and you know it's not real but what goes on still matters.
I'm trying hard not to be disappointed. Because I loved the show I suppose I really wanted to like the ending.
But I don't. I'm really disappointed. It just seemed such a mammoth cop out.
R.I.P. Lost:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES2cjsjQCTM[/media]
ps. vincent was the island. I'll screen cap it but I think I saw abadon(sp?) - the black dude from fringe and the wire - walking a vincent like dog in purgatory. I liked that dude.
QuoteI'm trying hard not to be disappointed. Because I loved the show I suppose I really wanted to like the ending.
But I don't. I'm really disappointed. It just seemed such a mammoth cop out.
yeah that's what I thought but thinking more deeply about it at least they gave us the actually "time" if you can even call it that that they were all "dead" so we could see their final transition from the caterpillar to the butterfly. all coming together to combine into singularity. into the source itself. Hurley's rules were probably awesome. the star trek reference between ben/hurley was pretty hilarious. picturing those two trapped on an island together is super funny to me for some reason.
All I have to say about vincent is he's a DOG and what does that spell backwards GOD! deal with it. I posted this thought on PT but nobody understood.. not like you guys do. They pay me no mind. ps I <3 u's
Quote Hurley's rules were probably awesome. the star trek reference between ben/hurley was pretty hilarious. picturing those two trapped on an island together is super funny to me for some reason.
Oh yes!! I'd love to have seen that!
I thought it was great. Sure they could have tied up some loose ends and made folks happier. to me, Lost was all about the people. We invested 6 years of getting to know these characters. I dug the happy ending.
Did yall see that LA Times writer's article where she completely didn't get it? hilarious.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may/24/entertainment/la-et-lost-review-20100524
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QuoteI thought it was great. Sure they could have tied up some loose ends and made folks happier. to me, Lost was all about the people. We invested 6 years of getting to know these characters. I dug the happy ending.
Did yall see that LA Times writer's article where she completely didn't get it? hilarious.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may/24/entertainment/la-et-lost-review-20100524
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I thought it was great too, right on.
QuoteAll I have to say about vincent is he's a DOG and what does that spell backwards GOD! deal with it. I posted this thought on PT but nobody understood.. not like you guys do. They pay me no mind. ps I <3 u's
So what's gonna happen with you and Vincent now that the show is over? Is he going to keep in touch, maybe become myface or spacebook friends? I hope it all works out. I now it hurts you Sticky, but I'm glad that it wasn't Jacob appearing as Vincent because that would mean that Vincent was dead. It tears (tares not teers) me up when dogs die, like I Am Legend, that was some sad shit.
Still not sure what I think about the end. I seem to remember the producers spefically saying that it wasn't purgatory early on in the show. I'm confused about the whole thing. What really threw me off was the shot of the plane wreckage at the very end, which almost seemed to indicate to me that none of it on the island ever really happened at all. What did you guys think of that?
QuoteQuoteAll I have to say about vincent is he's a DOG and what does that spell backwards GOD! deal with it. I posted this thought on PT but nobody understood.. not like you guys do. They pay me no mind. ps I <3 u's
So what's gonna happen with you and Vincent now that the show is over? Is he going to keep in touch, maybe become myface or spacebook friends? I hope it all works out. I now it hurts you Sticky, but I'm glad that it wasn't Jacob appearing as Vincent because that would mean that Vincent was dead. It tears (tares not teers) me up when dogs die, like I Am Legend, that was some sad shit.
Still not sure what I think about the end. I seem to remember the producers spefically saying that it wasn't purgatory early on in the show. I'm confused about the whole thing. What really threw me off was the shot of the plane wreckage at the very end, which almost seemed to indicate to me that none of it on the island ever really happened at all. What did you guys think of that?
i've read that the inclusion of the original wreckage could have been put there by abc and not the producers.
Christian said their time on the island was real and also "these are the people you spent the most important part of your lives with" leading me to believe the time on the island did happen, while the "flash sideways" were purgatory/limbo.
I'm a huge dog lover, my boy Marley, looks a lot like a smaller Vincent. I thought having Vincent there with Jack as he lay dying was mighty awesome. That part definitely got me, as did pretty much every "awakening" the characters had in the finale.
This was the best show ever and I'm really gonna miss it.
QuoteQuoteAll I have to say about vincent is he's a DOG and what does that spell backwards GOD! deal with it. I posted this thought on PT but nobody understood.. not like you guys do. They pay me no mind. ps I <3 u's
So what's gonna happen with you and Vincent now that the show is over? Is he going to keep in touch, maybe become myface or spacebook friends? I hope it all works out. I now it hurts you Sticky, but I'm glad that it wasn't Jacob appearing as Vincent because that would mean that Vincent was dead. It tears (tares not teers) me up when dogs die, like I Am Legend, that was some sad shit.
Still not sure what I think about the end. I seem to remember the producers spefically saying that it wasn't purgatory early on in the show. I'm confused about the whole thing. What really threw me off was the shot of the plane wreckage at the very end, which almost seemed to indicate to me that none of it on the island ever really happened at all. What did you guys think of that?
don't you ever joke about vincent being dead again. ever. his character development during the series was phenomenal. If he doesn't win an Emmy I'll throw up.
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I loved it, absolutely loved it. Still digesting some of the loose ends, but all in all I found it very beautiful.
There is a great recap of the finale on Dark UFO, I suggest you all read it, he brings up many good points.
http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2010/05/all-roads-lead-here-end-recap-by.html
I just checked Geronimo Jack's Beard Blogspot and Jorge Garcia's podcast on "The End" is up now.....going to listen right now, you should too ;)
http://geronimojacksbeard.blogspot.com/
QuoteQuoteQuoteAll I have to say about vincent is he's a DOG and what does that spell backwards GOD! deal with it. I posted this thought on PT but nobody understood.. not like you guys do. They pay me no mind. ps I <3 u's
So what's gonna happen with you and Vincent now that the show is over? Is he going to keep in touch, maybe become myface or spacebook friends? I hope it all works out. I now it hurts you Sticky, but I'm glad that it wasn't Jacob appearing as Vincent because that would mean that Vincent was dead. It tears (tares not teers) me up when dogs die, like I Am Legend, that was some sad shit.
Still not sure what I think about the end. I seem to remember the producers spefically saying that it wasn't purgatory early on in the show. I'm confused about the whole thing. What really threw me off was the shot of the plane wreckage at the very end, which almost seemed to indicate to me that none of it on the island ever really happened at all. What did you guys think of that?
i've read that the inclusion of the original wreckage could have been put there by abc and not the producers.
Christian said their time on the island was real and also "these are the people you spent the most important part of your lives with" leading me to believe the time on the island did happen, while the "flash sideways" were purgatory/limbo.
I'm a huge dog lover, my boy Marley, looks a lot like a smaller Vincent. I thought having Vincent there with Jack as he lay dying was mighty awesome. That part definitely got me, as did pretty much every "awakening" the characters had in the finale.
This was the best show ever and I'm really gonna miss it.
After watching it the second time I feel a little better about everything. I noticed in the scene of the wreckage that there were some remnants of their camp so it was definitely real. I guess I missed that the first time because I was in shock a little bit
QuoteQuoteQuoteAll I have to say about vincent is he's a DOG and what does that spell backwards GOD! deal with it. I posted this thought on PT but nobody understood.. not like you guys do. They pay me no mind. ps I <3 u's
So what's gonna happen with you and Vincent now that the show is over? Is he going to keep in touch, maybe become myface or spacebook friends? I hope it all works out. I now it hurts you Sticky, but I'm glad that it wasn't Jacob appearing as Vincent because that would mean that Vincent was dead. It tears (tares not teers) me up when dogs die, like I Am Legend, that was some sad shit.
Still not sure what I think about the end. I seem to remember the producers spefically saying that it wasn't purgatory early on in the show. I'm confused about the whole thing. What really threw me off was the shot of the plane wreckage at the very end, which almost seemed to indicate to me that none of it on the island ever really happened at all. What did you guys think of that?
don't you ever joke about vincent being dead again. ever. his character development during the series was phenomenal. If he doesn't win an Emmy I'll throw up.
I think you read me all wrong there man, I wasn't joking about Vincent being dead, I'm really glad he wasn't. I was joking about your weirdo obsession with him. He is a badass dog though. I wouldn't count on him winning any awards, so might as well stick your finger down your throat now. He is a god/dog afterall, I've only ever seen people win Emmys
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAll I have to say about vincent is he's a DOG and what does that spell backwards GOD! deal with it. I posted this thought on PT but nobody understood.. not like you guys do. They pay me no mind. ps I <3 u's
So what's gonna happen with you and Vincent now that the show is over? Is he going to keep in touch, maybe become myface or spacebook friends? I hope it all works out. I now it hurts you Sticky, but I'm glad that it wasn't Jacob appearing as Vincent because that would mean that Vincent was dead. It tears (tares not teers) me up when dogs die, like I Am Legend, that was some sad shit.
Still not sure what I think about the end. I seem to remember the producers spefically saying that it wasn't purgatory early on in the show. I'm confused about the whole thing. What really threw me off was the shot of the plane wreckage at the very end, which almost seemed to indicate to me that none of it on the island ever really happened at all. What did you guys think of that?
don't you ever joke about vincent being dead again. ever. his character development during the series was phenomenal. If he doesn't win an Emmy I'll throw up.
I think you read me all wrong there man, I wasn't joking about Vincent being dead, I'm really glad he wasn't. I was joking about your weirdo obsession with him. He is a badass dog though. I wouldn't count on him winning any awards, so might as well stick your finger down your throat now. He is a god/dog afterall, I've only ever seen people win Emmys
vincent has a really good chance at an Emmy. I read it right, maybe you read me wrong? wtf.
Damn, the internet involves too much reading, maybe I should give it up. Did you watch the recap episode or the Kimmel aftershow? Any interesting points or just a waste of time?
Just watched last night. I can't wait to read what everyone thought about it but haven't had time yet. I really really enjoyed the episode, however I still have lots of questions.
2 big ones:
Why was Jacob alive again to pass the island protection on to Jack? I thought Ben killed him?
At the beginning of this season, when they kept the plane from crashing in the "sideways world" the island was under water. Why would it have been underwater if Jack put the stone back in the light and kept it from sinking?
QuoteDamn, the internet involves too much reading, maybe I should give it up. Did you watch the recap episode or the Kimmel aftershow? Any interesting points or just a waste of time?
mostly a waste of time. kimmel basically explained what the show was about, or what he thought it was about, which is the same thing everybody thinks now. It was focused on jack's journey, timeline b was purgatory a place where time is irrelevant. matthew fox talked a little bit about how in some religions you have to relive parts of your life in order to pass on to the next phase, etc. he said it was open ended, which is obvious.
the funniest part was when Terry O'Quinn came out and Jimmy asked him if he was "Good Terry or Evil Terry" and Q'Quinn replied "I'm Out of work Terry". I thought it was pretty funny. The 3 alternate endings were just joke endings that weren't too funny. the Soprano ending they did was pretty funny "Onion rings!". I don't know I started falling asleep towards the end of it. Jimmy accidently called the dude who played michael, michael when he went to ask him a question on accident. pretty hilarious. It seems like a lot of the cast was kept in the dark from season to season for the most part.
QuoteJust watched last night. I can't wait to read what everyone thought about it but haven't had time yet. I really really enjoyed the episode, however I still have lots of questions.
2 big ones:
Why was Jacob alive again to pass the island protection on to Jack? I thought Ben killed him?
At the beginning of this season, when they kept the plane from crashing in the "sideways world" the island was under water. Why would it have been underwater if Jack put the stone back in the light and kept it from sinking?
1.) we can only speculate about jacob. ashes were always an important thing. when lil jacob stole the ashes from hurley he put them into the fire so his life force could be see by anyone around. It may have been one of his rules which is why Ilana would have known to collect them.
2.) Timeline B is basically Limbo, Dream world, Fake Reality. They probably could have gotten away with not showing the island underwater. the only reason it seems like they did it was to make you think they were going to sink the island, which they never did. BUT since jack was dead and his other friends, their test with the island was over. You could speculate that they each had their own test and each died at completely different times in timeline A but in the timeline b reality time is irrelevant and they all simply exist together at the same time, apparently once they all die? not too sure
I need sleepy.
just saw this on another board. haven't watched it yet:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8ARZW7Q0S8[/media]
Did anyone hear about the Lost auction this weekend? Some of the stuff went for a crazy amount of $$$.
http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/08/23/lost-auction-the-dharma-van-went-for-how-much/#more-92300
i wasn't around this board when lost ended, but i love lost more than any other cinematic experience ever (as you can see my name is taken from the first flash forward, my favorite lost scene ever.) but heres a great video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iggE4ImYwyc
it will make you sad, so be careful.
im sure you all have seen this, but its hilarious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di3w1yV4Ehg
"you want me to suck your dick?" "... i want you to want to suck my dick..."
Quotei wasn't around this board when lost ended, but i love lost more than any other cinematic experience ever (as you can see my name is taken from the first flash forward, my favorite lost scene ever.) but heres a great video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iggE4ImYwyc
it will make you sad, so be careful.
im sure you all have seen this, but its hilarious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di3w1yV4Ehg
"you want me to suck your dick?" "... i want you to want to suck my dick..."
that last one was hilarious. I miss my losties.
I miss Lost. :(
Quote from: e_wind on Mar 05, 2011, 02:22 PM
I miss Lost. :(
Have you started Fringe yet? JJ Abrams who created lost made it. It's been growing on me, I can't tell if they're going to cancel it or not because of what's about to start happening on the show. the concept is almost a paradox sort of like lost. definitely check it out if you haven't and are dying for some mystery/sci-fi action.
I haven't been watching that, but I've heard good things. I haven't really started any show since Lost. I shall check it out if its on my On Demand or whatever.
Quote from: e_wind on Mar 06, 2011, 03:33 PM
I haven't been watching that, but I've heard good things. I haven't really started any show since Lost. I shall check it out if its on my On Demand or whatever.
I said this same thing to a friend last night! I miss the great conversations about the show. The ending had its strength/weaknesses, but that show made you think. And it sucked me in for 6 years.
I miss it, too.
Have not watched Fringe, Sticky, but know a few people who swear by it. Maybe I'll grab that on Netflix...
Fringe is pretty good. not the best but good. there's lots of stuff about physics and weird stuff.
This show seriously consumed me for so long. It was the end-all of TV for me. People made fun of me for my obsession in the same way that some of my cool, indie friends make fun of me for being obsessed with jacket.
I miss lost too.
lost was a great experience. so many memories...
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THE MAN IN BLACKS NAME IS BARRY. IF YOU WERE EVER PISSED THAT THEY NEVER TOLD YOU HIS NAME, NOW YOU KNOW.
http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/07/22/lost-damon-lindelof-carlton-cuse-deleted-scen/ (http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/07/22/lost-damon-lindelof-carlton-cuse-deleted-scen/)
and just so we can get a little sentimental:
"I'll Never Be Lost Again" - Epic Lost Season 6 Hip-hop/R&B anthem! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iggE4ImYwyc#ws)
Those gifs of Eve>Kate are tremendous! :thumbsup: