All I can say is what a mind fuck. Awesome movie, one that will truly need multiple viewings to pick up more and more things. As much as Avatar was visually stimulating, this was mentally stimulating and is THE must see film of 2010.
Go see it. Come here. Discuss its badassery.
So no one else has seen this yet?....oh wait, if anyone comes thru in the movie clutch, its DB...what say you more than that sentence in the movie thread? Been discussing this a lot, and my mind just keeps going back and forth on various parts of the movie. Here's what I wrote somewhere else the night after I saw it:
I went in with a general idea of the premise, and although I could follow the 1st 20-30 minutes, I really liked how they got a new architect so they could cleverly explain a lot of how the dream sequences work. Considering when they get on the plane had to be less than an hour into the film, I was very impressed by how that next hour and a half was entirely the multiple levels of dream sequences and basically a thrill ride the entire time. Having there be a time differential in each level compared to real life was ingenius. The drive back from the theater took about 45 minutes due to traffic, and we were talking about the movie and various parts the entire time - which is something that tells me how great this movie was. Theater employee actually came in the theater before the movie to tell everyone to turn off their cell phone, dont text, take a leak before the movie starts because if you do while its on you wont know where youre at when you get back, and that its the best movie of the year 8-)
Dont know how anyone could come away from this unimpressed and glued to the screen the entire time.
SPOILER__________________________________:
I connected the dots for the most part on how the opening scene with old Watanabe would come to fruition, but that doesnt bother me much as so many other parts of the movie are left to dissect. Might have rather they left that out though and started when they were in the initial multiple level dream sequence of Watanabe doing the extraction as opposed to already letting you know Dicaprio reaches Watanabe in limbo at the beginning
I just saw it. Best movie of the year with Toy Story 3. Only complaint (and this is a stretch) is that it would have been better if the dreams were more dream-like... if there were less concrete detail. Otherwise, it was pretty much perfect, and kept my attention the whole time. There was so much to digest; it's incredible that Nolan was able to throw so much at us in a world that takes long enough to explain. Most filmmakers would have a hard time condensing all this into a trilogy, let alone a single film.
As for the ending... I don't think any other ending would have suited it. If the top had fallen, it would have seemed too cheap and flat of a payoff. If it kept spinning, it would simply be Shutter Island all over again, without a core concept to anchor his decision. For such a gray character, only middle ground would have sufficed. I'm happy with it.
Glad to hear the good reviews. When I saw the preview, it seemed like they just made up some stupid scenario just to have a reason to show the new special effects technique that they've been working on. Sounds like I was wrong.
QuoteGlad to hear the good reviews. When I saw the preview, it seemed like they just made up some stupid scenario just to have a reason to show the new special effects technique that they've been working on. Sounds like I was wrong.
Yeah, the special effects are fairly limited - really only 2 scenes stood out but were amazing nonetheless. The main focus of the movie is undoubtedly the concept of extraction/inception and the story of their attempt to do so. It really is must see in the theaters, and Im someone who goes to the theater like 3-4 times a year usually (and I'll probably see this twice in the theater)
QuoteI just saw it. Best movie of the year with Toy Story 3. Only complaint (and this is a stretch) is that it would have been better if the dreams were more dream-like... if there were less concrete detail. Otherwise, it was pretty much perfect, and kept my attention the whole time. There was so much to digest; it's incredible that Nolan was able to throw so much at us in a world that takes long enough to explain. Most filmmakers would have a hard time condensing all this into a trilogy, let alone a single film.
As for the ending...
Thought TS3 was very good, but I could never consider an animated movie to be better than a masterpiece like this.
I hear ya on the dreams being more dream like thing, but the biggest reason they werent is because as was said, the dream world needs to be as close to the real world as possible for, in this case, Fisher to believe it is reality. Because of that, I cant knock the movie at all for that, plus I found limbo to be pretty dreamlike despite the other dream levels not being like that. Similar to your thoughts on Nolan, what might impress me most about Inception is that despite the story being so complex and going back and forth very often, I found it overall easy to follow what was going on for the most part.
As for the ending & your thoughts Dark (highlight): I agree with you and thought that was the best way to leave it. My immediate thought after the movie about the end was actually that since Dicaprio walked away from the top before seeing if it would fall or not, he didnt care if it was reality or not because it was the place he wanted to be. Whether it was actually reality or a dream, that is where the movie is not easy to decipher, IMO. I'll need to watch it again, but I dont think Dicaprio ever spinned the top after being in the chemist's basement (besides doing it on the sink and knocking it off) after saying he wanted to test out his drug combination - meaning he very well could still be in a dream at the end. However, in every dream level/sequence in the movie, you are brought into the story/setting midway through and cant remember the beginning of a dream, as they stated. All the dream levels: 1st with chemist in the rain after pissing, 2nd with Fisher at the bar with girl/napkin, 3rd with Dicaprio looking thru the sniper scope - all start in the middle of something. However, after Dicaprio and Saito leave limbo, they are shown waking up off the plane. They show the beginning of this level/sequence, so it would make sense that it is in fact reality. Having so many details leave either way make that ending perfect IMO
I'm excited to see it. I get the impression that it is the new generation's "Blade Runner"
QuoteI'm excited to see it. I get the impression that it is the new generation's "Blade Runner"
Its about as good as a somewhat realistic sci-fi movie could get.
Id love to see a sequel or another movie with the same concept done, but anyone besides Nolan couldnt handle this.
Going to see this tomorrow. Heard nothing but great things so far.
There's a thread for movies, it's called What Movie Did You Just See?
http://www.mymorningjacket.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1135187735
I don't know how much clearer this could be and I don't understand the total disregard for forum etiquette by starting an entire thread about a movie. Probably why this board has slipped into 7th place.
Ahhhhhh, the good ol' days :-/
i want to see this!!
QuoteThere's a thread for movies, it's called What Movie Did You Just See?
http://www.mymorningjacket.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1135187735
I don't know how much clearer this could be and I don't understand the total disregard for forum etiquette by starting an entire thread about a movie. Probably why this board has slipped into 7th place.
Ahhhhhh, the good ol' days :-/
There's also a whole section of this forum called other music, I suppose we could have just one thread in that sub forum? You're really strecthing with this complaint, me thinks. ;D :-/ You started threads for every color of the rainbow for Christs sake.
EDIT: I really hope you're joking and it completely went over my head.
Nevermind....haha.
Saw it. Loved it. Wasn't nearly as confusing and messed up as the media made it seem. I'm not sure how one could "not get it" though there were certain details that were slightly off:
SPOILERRIFFIC QUESTION (sort of) below (highlight)
So if everyone was in the van unconscious, and that made them float in the hotel while unconscious, then why didn't they float in the fortress world? Because regardless of whose subconscious it was, all the sleeping parties were weightless, no?
QuoteSaw it. Loved it. Wasn't nearly as confusing and messed up as the media made it seem. I'm not sure how one could "not get it" though there were certain details that were slightly off:
SPOILERRIFFIC QUESTION (sort of) below (highlight)
Agree with you and said in one of my posts that arguably the most impressive thing about the movie is how complex the concept and storyline is, yet it is insanely easy to follow (not so easy to catch all the details though).
As for your spoiler (highlight): If they do explain that, then I missed it. If I were to make an assumption though, its that because they are further removed from the van in the fortress world, the changes in gravity have less of an impact there than in the hotel. That, or maybe something like that explicitly only affects 1 level up (and since the fortress was 2 levels up from the van, the gravity changes have no effect in the fortress level).
QuoteQuoteSaw it. Loved it. Wasn't nearly as confusing and messed up as the media made it seem. I'm not sure how one could "not get it" though there were certain details that were slightly off:
SPOILERRIFFIC QUESTION (sort of) below (highlight)
Agree with you and said in one of my posts that arguably the most impressive thing about the movie is how complex the concept and storyline is, yet it is insanely easy to follow (not so easy to catch all the details though).
As for your spoiler (highlight): If they do explain that, then I missed it. If I were to make an assumption though, its that because they are further removed from the van in the fortress world, the changes in gravity have less of an impact there than in the hotel. That, or maybe something like that explicitly only affects 1 level up (and since the fortress was 2 levels up from the van, the gravity changes have no effect in the fortress level).
Response:
That occurred to me, but if the sedative didn't affect the inner ear so they could all "feel" the kick, wouldn't gravity have to penetrate through all the layers in order for the kick to work? I might see it again August 6th wiht my super-scifi friend. In all honesty, I'm willing to be this was covered by implication or in a whisper I couldn't hear due to the theater, so when i see it again I think it'll come out.
Like I said, aside from this issue, I don't know if I saw any other continuity issues, which might be what impresses me the most.
Also, Joseph Gordon Levitt turns out to be a damn good actor. I thought he was going to be relegated to a Michael Cera typecast role, but apparently Nolan likes him enough to float rumors of him being Riddler in the next Dark Knight
http://img18.imageshack.us/f/inceptionmap.jpg/
Sort of spoilery, but very helpful
Quotehttp://img18.imageshack.us/f/inceptionmap.jpg/
Sort of spoilery, but very helpful
Mostly right, except
I dont think Cobb and Saito got out of limbo from dying, I think the time just ran out from the entry to dream level 1, so they both woke up on the planeFWIW, this is basically the same concept but a little easier to understand/follow: http://www.cinemablend.com/new/An-Illustrated-Guide-To-The-5-Levels-Of-Inception-19643.html
This movie just continues to blow my mind:
http://www.avclub.com/articles/great-job-internet-the-secret-of-the-inception-sou,43518/
I need to see this AGAIN
whoa, visually and mentally spectacular.
Quotewhoa, visually and mentally spectacular.
you finally see it?!
(http://ephekt.surreal-guild.com/images/inceptionjob.jpg)
QuoteQuotewhoa, visually and mentally spectacular.
you finally see it?!
yeah but I need more time to digest it. definitely need to see it again. I was surprised at how much more bad ass the parts from the trailer were. Specifically when they were falling off the bridge while dreaming. That no gravity scene was one of the coolest things I've seen in a movie in a long long time. What a mind blowingly great concept.
I want to bang ellen paige(sp?) big time.
The entire "In Limbo" concept was fucking wicked. Definitely need to watch it again...
I honestly do not think I can give a good explanation of what have I seen just yet.
Nice...I jizzed in my pants 7 times too
QuoteNice...I jizzed in my pants 7 times too
My dream security would be velociraptors.
okay here is my conclusion, tho plenty of people won't agree. I'm going to post this shit in white? here it goes:
I think Cobb was trapped in Arthur's Dream and In Limbo the entire time. There are subtle hints, such as when Mal says "This looks like Arthur's style" or something to that effect.
The top, Cobbs totem was questionable in every way shape and form. 1.) It initially belonged to Mal. It is suppose to be something nobody else in the world has ever touched, or held. The weight of it seemed very import. The "feel" of it. But it was Mal's. So if Mal was by chance still alive like she proclaimed the entire movie perhaps the totem was what was keeping Cobb IN limbo. Since he relied on it other than his gut a lot of the time.
2.) Saito Also held it, and spun it right? and he said he had seen it before long ago during Limbo dinner. So that's two people besides Cobb. Which would seem to make it useless.
I suppose it's either the really easy answer that when he met his kids it was all a dream, or the open ended super dream within a dream theory? I should read more about this before go on stoner rants like this.
BEST POST EVER! ;D
Quoteokay here is my conclusion, tho plenty of people won't agree. I'm going to post this shit in white? here it goes:
I gotta see this movie so I can read Sticky's secret posts. Did you use lemon juice to do this? ;)
muahahahaha.
THEY'RE IN MY DREAMS MAN!
Quoteokay here is my conclusion, tho plenty of people won't agree. I'm going to post this shit in white? here it goes:
I dont think he couldve been in limbo the whole time because too many of the other dream levels have very specific architecture. Plus, we are shown Cobb's limbo numerous times, and it is the same each time (although crumbling the last time as no one was there to maintain it).
I havent read anyone thinking he was in Arthur's dream the whole time (Arthur wasnt an architect so not sure what looking like Arthur's style meant, I dont remember that - or wait, that was in Saito's dream at the beginning, right?), but some people think he was in Mal's dream teh whole time, and that she was right all along that they were in a dream, and was still alive in reality. I still dont agree with that, but I think it is possible, at least until I watch in again and find something that disproves it. I just dont think thats the case because if she was trying to get Cobb out of his dreams/limbo, then why have him end up with his kids where he wanted to be all along, and where he would never want to/attempt to leave?
The top thing bothers me as well. They say no one should touch anyone else's totem, yet his totem used to be Mal's. Ive read where people actually think Cobb's totem is his kids, and when he cant see their faces its a dream, when he can it is reality. I dont think Saito ever touched or spun his top, if he did, it was near the end in Saito's limbo.
Did you read thru that other thread I gave you?
QuoteQuoteokay here is my conclusion, tho plenty of people won't agree. I'm going to post this shit in white? here it goes:
for sure:
I'm just kinda getting out there with theories for the fun of it. I haven't gotten to that thread yet, I read one article with hypotheticals tho, can not remember for the life of me where the link is. But that's all I know, the same as everyone else. Either it's a simple ending and he did his little inception thing and ended up happily ever after or there is that super deep layering secret meaning crap going on.
It's fun to think of the possibilities of if he really was in the Limbo the whole time. Would this be a possibility:
So they're in the first sequence of dreams with Saito, Saito wakes up before Leo does right? and then they dunk him AFTER Saito wakes up. I'm wondering if he ended up back in limbo at that point in the movie. he comes up out of the tub all weird looking. Was it Saito's dream Arthur and Cobb were in inside of that first architects dream? Or does that mean they were in Cobbs dream?
When the people stormed the apartment building where the carpet wasn't designed right they ripped that architect apart. but whose projections were those? Cobbs or Saitos? Arthur always wakes up first and taught Ellen Page to build the mazes, taught her all the tricks. I still think each member is a part of Cobbs subconscious or something, since he's so deep within in subconscious not only can he create buildings and stuff he can create actual people to perhaps?
Saito definitely spins the top at the end for sure. I've watched the cam version of this bitch twice now. It takes away from the movie watching the shitty cam version but I had to see it again.
fucking bad ass movie.
Have you guys heard about the alternate ending? :
It cuts to black right after the top starts to wobble and then it cuts to a slow pan up of a straight jacket. then we notice it's leo and he's drooling. it pans up further and we see he is lobotomized. ::cut to black:: "Shutter Island 2" ::end credits::
QuoteHave you guys heard about the alternate ending? :
It cuts to black right after the top starts to wobble and then it cuts to a slow pan up of a straight jacket. then we notice it's leo and he's drooling. it pans up further and we see he is lobotomized. ::cut to black:: "Shutter Island 2" ::end credits::
Wat? I dont believe you.
I think the only 2010 movies Ive seen are Inception, Toy Story 3, Shutter Island, and Predators, but so far this and Shutter Island are #1 and #2, respectively. Good year for Dicaprio
So it looks like Christopher Nolan ripped off Ducktales!!!! ;D
http://videogum.com/208132/caught-inception-ripped-off-scrooge-mcduck/remakes-and-spinoffs/
I kept on seeing Leo.
Finally saw it. Sheesh Headdy! I expected much more after your hype job of this film. Kidding aside, I liked it a lot. If you're a fan of scifi, it's storyline wasn't anything all that new and it wasn't too difficult to follow. The snow dudes in Level 3 suck at shooting...like really suck...like Ruckus playing 1st person shooters suckage. The special effects were damn solid but I actually was more impressed by the impact scenes such as the dude smashing into the windshield. You really felt those. The zero gravity stuff was OK I guess.
In the end, all credit goes to Nolan. That was one hell of an ambitious undertaking. I agree with all of you that it was incredible that he was able to put all that into 2.5 hours. It was meticulous, exacting, thorough and as a result, successful. They could have edited some of the level 3 shit though I know they had to make it longer. I guess they proportioned the time of each level exactingly as in real time huh? I just don't understand why the dudes in the van didn't wake up 1/3 of the way through the fall
Quote I just don't understand why the dudes in the van didn't wake up 1/3 of the way through the fall
I believe this was because they were multiple levels beyond the van, and you can only get kicked back one level at a time. Thats why they synchronize all the kicks so they do wake up before drowning; and its why Cobb and Saito do drown and go to limbo because they never kicked back to the hotel and then the van.
So was he in reality or a dream at the end IYO?
I saw this movie a few weeks ago. Leo is an amazing actor. This movie is honestly probably in my top 5 or 10 favorite movies of all time.
I actually had a dream about Inception a couple nights ago where I was trying to figure out when Cobb was in a dream and if he was at the end and what all made sense and stuff...It was awesome
QuoteI actually had a dream about Inception a couple nights ago where I was trying to figure out when Cobb was in a dream and if he was at the end and what all made sense and stuff...It was awesome
I hate to break this to you but you're still in the theater seeing Inception for the first time. This has all been a dream. You've been in limbo for a long time. <3===D~~~
QuoteQuoteI actually had a dream about Inception a couple nights ago where I was trying to figure out when Cobb was in a dream and if he was at the end and what all made sense and stuff...It was awesome
I hate to break this to you but you're still in the theater seeing Inception for the first time. This has all been a dream. You've been in limbo for a long time. <3===D~~~
Oh shit! ;D
It did actually have that surreal feel to it though..It was crazy