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Title: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: Murph on Dec 09, 2009, 02:03 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/31248017/100_best_albums_of_the_decade/

I dont take much stock into these lists, but its always nice to see MMJ on 'em.  They're number 31 right into between Lil Wayne and Radiohead  ;D.  
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: el_chode on Dec 09, 2009, 03:08 PM
Quotehttp://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/31248017/100_best_albums_of_the_decade/

I dont take much stock into these lists, but its always nice to see MMJ on 'em.  They're number 31 right into between Lil Wayne and Radiohead  ;D.  

I really hate their write up of it.  I don't hear Skynyrd at all. In fact, this makes me want extend the fake feud and say that if anything, they're Neil.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: TEO on Dec 09, 2009, 03:53 PM
I think I own like one cd out of that entire list... ;)
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: Jaimoe on Dec 09, 2009, 04:00 PM
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Quotehttp://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/31248017/100_best_albums_of_the_decade/

I dont take much stock into these lists, but its always nice to see MMJ on 'em.  They're number 31 right into between Lil Wayne and Radiohead  ;D.  

I really hate their write up of it.  I don't hear Skynyrd at all. In fact, this makes me want extend the fake feud and say that if anything, they're Neil.

I find that their more southern rocker-leaning guitar epics suggest Skynyrd's influence. Perhaps MMJ deconstruct or think outside the southern rock box. I think One Big Holiday, Lay Low, What a Wonderful Man, I'm Amazed etc... take old school southern and turn it on its head. I also hear lots of Crazy Horse in there too.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: xmascriminal on Dec 09, 2009, 11:42 PM
Rolling Stone always makes horrible lists. Once I saw Return to Cookie Mountain at #98, I gave up any hopes of it being decent.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: AMightyCaporal on Dec 10, 2009, 09:44 AM
QuoteRolling Stone always makes horrible lists. Once I saw Return to Cookie Mountain at #98, I gave up any hopes of it being decent.

don't worry about it, Kanye West has three albums on the list so all is right in the world.  

He should only have one, his first album.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: jones on Dec 10, 2009, 10:06 AM
QuoteRolling Stone always makes horrible lists. Once I saw Return to Cookie Mountain at #98, I gave up any hopes of it being decent.

I definitely agree with you on this.  I think I saw Dear Science further up, but I like Cookie Mountain more, personally.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: el_chode on Dec 10, 2009, 10:53 AM
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Quotehttp://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/31248017/100_best_albums_of_the_decade/

I dont take much stock into these lists, but its always nice to see MMJ on 'em.  They're number 31 right into between Lil Wayne and Radiohead  ;D.  

I really hate their write up of it.  I don't hear Skynyrd at all. In fact, this makes me want extend the fake feud and say that if anything, they're Neil.

I find that their more southern rocker-leaning guitar epics suggest Skynyrd's influence. Perhaps MMJ deconstruct or think outside the southern rock box. I think One Big Holiday, Lay Low, What a Wonderful Man, I'm Amazed etc... take old school southern and turn it on its head. I also hear lots of Crazy Horse in there too.

I just  consider a lot of skynyrd to be a little cheeky. The closest I hear in MMJ is the end of lay low really. I mean yeah MMJ is southern, but when I think "Southern Rock" I think ZZ Top, Skynyrd (& .38 Special, which I'm waiting for MMJ to cover), less complexity and more bluesy. MMJ's got a bit more of an epic stretch, even early on.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: My Monkey Friend on Dec 10, 2009, 11:25 AM
This list was mainly crap. MMJ should have had all albums on there, as they are all pretty different and all groundbreaking. Green day should never be on any "top" list, they just started bashing bush to sell records and become relevant again. It just seems they left off a lot, mainly MMJ.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: Jaimoe on Dec 10, 2009, 11:36 AM
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Quotehttp://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/31248017/100_best_albums_of_the_decade/

I dont take much stock into these lists, but its always nice to see MMJ on 'em.  They're number 31 right into between Lil Wayne and Radiohead  ;D.  

I really hate their write up of it.  I don't hear Skynyrd at all. In fact, this makes me want extend the fake feud and say that if anything, they're Neil.

I find that their more southern rocker-leaning guitar epics suggest Skynyrd's influence. Perhaps MMJ deconstruct or think outside the southern rock box. I think One Big Holiday, Lay Low, What a Wonderful Man, I'm Amazed etc... take old school southern and turn it on its head. I also hear lots of Crazy Horse in there too.

I just  consider a lot of skynyrd to be a little cheeky. The closest I hear in MMJ is the end of lay low really. I mean yeah MMJ is southern, but when I think "Southern Rock" I think ZZ Top, Skynyrd (& .38 Special, which I'm waiting for MMJ to cover), less complexity and more bluesy. MMJ's got a bit more of an epic stretch, even early on.

Now .38 Special were/are cheeky, far more than even Molly Hatchet. The non-overplayed Skynyrd tracks are still incredible such as "Tuesday's Gone" and "Simple Man"; I realize these two tracks get lots of play on rock radio, but they were never hits.

I think ZZ Top falls into the Texas blues, heavy blues categories instead of Southern rock.

I really don't hear the Allmans too much in MMJ's sound. Well, maybe in the more atmospheric tracks. Certainly the jams are a bit ABB inspired.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: el_chode on Dec 10, 2009, 11:53 AM
I've never considered Allman's truly southern rock aside from the kitschy songs. To me they're pure jam. I think that may be a meaningless distinction though.

.38 special are my #1 guilty pleasure act, I can't help it.

Don't hear much Allmans in MMJ either though, but I think if they ever did an instrumental they'd probably get compared to Jessica automatically.  

I also feel dirty doing these comparisons.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: Jaimoe on Dec 10, 2009, 11:59 AM
QuoteI've never considered Allman's truly southern rock aside from the kitschy songs. To me they're pure jam. I think that may be a meaningless distinction though.

.38 special are my #1 guilty pleasure act, I can't help it.

Don't hear much Allmans in MMJ either though, but I think if they ever did an instrumental they'd probably get compared to Jessica automatically.  

I also feel dirty doing these comparisons.

Well, the Allmans invented the southern rock genre and their in-prime songs and albums transcend the genre. But they aren't as rock influenced as followers .38 Special, Molly Hatchet and Skynyrd.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: capt. scotty on Dec 10, 2009, 03:39 PM
2 Springsteen albums in the Top 20
M.I.A. has 2 on the list, 1 in the Top 10
;D

I still dont get the love at all for Is This It?

I too share the sentiment that once I saw RTCM at #98, I wasnt going to be impressed.

Surprising thing is, if you look at the artists they had vote for this list, its pretty respectable. One Jim James was one of the voters. Id be cool to see his personal list.

...that said, their song list is a little more in line with what Id have at the top than pitchfork's with 1,2, and 3 for me being Seven Nation Army, Hey Ya, and Crazy
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: Jaimoe on Dec 10, 2009, 04:21 PM
Quote2 Springsteen albums in the Top 20
M.I.A. has 2 on the list, 1 in the Top 10
;D

I still dont get the love at all for Is This It?

I too share the sentiment that once I saw RTCM at #98, I wasnt going to be impressed.

Surprising thing is, if you look at the artists they had vote for this list, its pretty respectable. One Jim James was one of the voters. Id be cool to see his personal list.

...that said, their song list is a little more in line with what Id have at the top than pitchfork's with 1,2, and 3 for me being Seven Nation Army, Hey Ya, and Crazy

The music mag I write for has a pretty snobby Top 50 of the decade list. Most of the list and order of rankings made me simmer in slow-boil anger. The top 10 gets posted tomorrow, but Elephant is #19. C'mon. It's a Top 5 or even #1.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: DaFunkyPrecedent on Dec 10, 2009, 04:36 PM
Paste had the best list I've seen so far...Paste is hands down the best mainstream music source out there.  

http://www.rollogrady.com/paste-magazine-50-best-albums-of-the-decade/
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: el_chode on Dec 10, 2009, 08:46 PM
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QuoteI've never considered Allman's truly southern rock aside from the kitschy songs. To me they're pure jam. I think that may be a meaningless distinction though.

.38 special are my #1 guilty pleasure act, I can't help it.

Don't hear much Allmans in MMJ either though, but I think if they ever did an instrumental they'd probably get compared to Jessica automatically.  

I also feel dirty doing these comparisons.

Well, the Allmans invented the southern rock genre and their in-prime songs and albums transcend the genre. But they aren't as rock influenced as followers .38 Special, Molly Hatchet and Skynyrd.

You know when you said Allmans I was like "oh yeah of course" but they're really just the last ones I think of as far as southern rock. The image that comes to mind is blues rock with more twang. Sort of SRV on one end, Allmans on the other, and Southern Rock somewhere in between.

Ultimately, I think I'm just describing water in degrees of wetness.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: Janet on Dec 10, 2009, 10:26 PM
Rolling Stone's lists are crap.  I saw one a few years ago about the top 100 guilarists of all time and I believe Joan Jett was #17.  

Really?
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: el_chode on Dec 11, 2009, 11:01 AM
QuoteRolling Stone's lists are crap.  I saw one a few years ago about the top 100 guilarists of all time and I believe Joan Jett was #17.  

Really?

Was it last year that they showed the artists ballots for selecting these things and included YY?

Joan Jett is the female non-Aretha that modern female "musicians" like to cite to.

EDIT: that's not to say that women can't be musicians; I'm referring to women who like to pretend to be musicians.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: Jaimoe on Dec 11, 2009, 11:34 AM
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QuoteRolling Stone's lists are crap.  I saw one a few years ago about the top 100 guilarists of all time and I believe Joan Jett was #17.  

Really?

Was it last year that they showed the artists ballots for selecting these things and included YY?

Joan Jett is the female non-Aretha that modern female "musicians" like to cite to.

EDIT: that's not to say that women can't be musicians; I'm referring to women who like to pretend to be musicians.


There's lots of men pretenders too, especially the ones in bands in the '90s. Also, anyone who wields a Flying V better know how to play the thing; Albert King should haunt Lenny Kravitz. Joan Jett and especially Chrissie Hynde are good rhythm  guitarists and extremely influential - Chrissie's influence crosses genders.  
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: el_chode on Dec 11, 2009, 12:17 PM
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QuoteRolling Stone's lists are crap.  I saw one a few years ago about the top 100 guilarists of all time and I believe Joan Jett was #17.  

Really?

Was it last year that they showed the artists ballots for selecting these things and included YY?

Joan Jett is the female non-Aretha that modern female "musicians" like to cite to.

EDIT: that's not to say that women can't be musicians; I'm referring to women who like to pretend to be musicians.


There's lots of men pretenders too, especially the ones in bands in the '90s. Also, anyone who wields a Flying V better know how to play the thing; Albert King should haunt Lenny Kravitz. Joan Jett and especially Chrissie Hynde are good rhythm  guitarists and extremely influential - Chrissie's influence crosses genders.  

Guys cite to Joan Jett too? Yikes. I don't know if that movie about her is out yet but it's going to be a similar suckfest.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: Janet on Dec 11, 2009, 12:21 PM
I have very little knowledge of her guitar playing.  I wasn't even really questioning her being on the list.  Her placement at 17 (guitarists of all times!!!) was what shocked me.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: mjkoehler on Dec 11, 2009, 12:30 PM
Was that the same list that had Kurt Cobain as one of the top 5 or 10 guitarist ever? Really?
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: mjkoehler on Dec 11, 2009, 12:31 PM
QuoteMost of the list and order of rankings made me simmer in slow-boil anger. The top 10 gets posted tomorrow, but Elephant is #19. C'mon. It's a Top 5 or even #1.
Agreed.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: Jaimoe on Dec 11, 2009, 12:33 PM
QuoteI have very little knowledge of her guitar playing.  I wasn't even really questioning her being on the list.  Her placement at 17 (guitarists of all times!!!) was what shocked me.


There's tokenism in there for sure. I'm old enough to know that Joan was very influential and popular when she left The Runaways. I haven't seen the list, but if Sister Rosetta Tharpe isn't on it, then it isn't a real list: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeaBNAXfHfQ
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: mjkoehler on Dec 11, 2009, 12:36 PM
What an awful list. Not only do they have the average Only By The Night KOL album on there, but do we need THAT much f'n Kayne and MIA? I.Don't.Get.It.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: Jaimoe on Dec 11, 2009, 01:11 PM
The newest M.I.A. album is really good.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: capt. scotty on Dec 11, 2009, 08:08 PM
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Quote2 Springsteen albums in the Top 20
M.I.A. has 2 on the list, 1 in the Top 10
;D

I still dont get the love at all for Is This It?

I too share the sentiment that once I saw RTCM at #98, I wasnt going to be impressed.

Surprising thing is, if you look at the artists they had vote for this list, its pretty respectable. One Jim James was one of the voters. Id be cool to see his personal list.

...that said, their song list is a little more in line with what Id have at the top than pitchfork's with 1,2, and 3 for me being Seven Nation Army, Hey Ya, and Crazy

The music mag I write for has a pretty snobby Top 50 of the decade list. Most of the list and order of rankings made me simmer in slow-boil anger. The top 10 gets posted tomorrow, but Elephant is #19. C'mon. It's a Top 5 or even #1.

I dont think the Stripes have released anything worse than good and probably all their albums deserve to be in the Top 100. Elephant is excellent, but I after listening to both last night ironically, I actually think Icky Thump might be my favorite of theirs.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: capt. scotty on Dec 11, 2009, 08:09 PM
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QuoteRolling Stone's lists are crap.  I saw one a few years ago about the top 100 guilarists of all time and I believe Joan Jett was #17.  

Really?

Was it last year that they showed the artists ballots for selecting these things and included YY?

Joan Jett is the female non-Aretha that modern female "musicians" like to cite to.

EDIT: that's not to say that women can't be musicians; I'm referring to women who like to pretend to be musicians.

Last year they showed 20-25 musicians Top 20 vocalists and they showed JJ's entire list.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: capt. scotty on Dec 11, 2009, 08:11 PM
QuoteWhat an awful list. Not only do they have the average Only By The Night KOL album on there, but do we need THAT much f'n Kayne and MIA? I.Don't.Get.It.

Pretty sure OBTN was the highest of the 3 albums too, with BOTT not even listed.

I dont get how they have Kanyes last album on there. Everything I heard from it was terrible, and I thought it got slammed by critics and fans alike

At the same time, I cant remember seeing anything on there that wasnt either very popular or indie-praised (ie like Phoenix's album this year)
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: el_chode on Dec 11, 2009, 08:38 PM
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QuoteWhat an awful list. Not only do they have the average Only By The Night KOL album on there, but do we need THAT much f'n Kayne and MIA? I.Don't.Get.It.

Pretty sure OBTN was the highest of the 3 albums too, with BOTT not even listed.

I dont get how they have Kanyes last album on there. Everything I heard from it was terrible, and I thought it got slammed by critics and fans alike

At the same time, I cant remember seeing anything on there that wasnt either very popular or indie-praised (ie like Phoenix's album this year)

KOL make me cry. I feel abandoned by them. And such a great start, those first two albums are awesome, and the third one isn't anything to shake a stick at. I just don't like it because it feels likey recorded it while hungover from the antics of Aha Shake Heartbreak
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: Murph on Dec 12, 2009, 12:16 AM
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QuoteWhat an awful list. Not only do they have the average Only By The Night KOL album on there, but do we need THAT much f'n Kayne and MIA? I.Don't.Get.It.

Pretty sure OBTN was the highest of the 3 albums too, with BOTT not even listed.

I dont get how they have Kanyes last album on there. Everything I heard from it was terrible, and I thought it got slammed by critics and fans alike

At the same time, I cant remember seeing anything on there that wasnt either very popular or indie-praised (ie like Phoenix's album this year)

KOL make me cry. I feel abandoned by them. And such a great start, those first two albums are awesome, and the third one isn't anything to shake a stick at. I just don't like it because it feels likey recorded it while hungover from the antics of Aha Shake Heartbreak

I hear ya man....It really is pretty startling in the disparity between Youth and Young Manhood and Aha Shake Heartbreak compared to the last 2 records they've made.  I feel like they've bought into themselves as being huge rockstars and creatively it has really hurt them.  I havent lost all faith yet though....those first two albums were enough to keep me interested in them for a longgg time.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: el_chode on Dec 12, 2009, 06:55 AM
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QuoteWhat an awful list. Not only do they have the average Only By The Night KOL album on there, but do we need THAT much f'n Kayne and MIA? I.Don't.Get.It.

Pretty sure OBTN was the highest of the 3 albums too, with BOTT not even listed.

I dont get how they have Kanyes last album on there. Everything I heard from it was terrible, and I thought it got slammed by critics and fans alike

At the same time, I cant remember seeing anything on there that wasnt either very popular or indie-praised (ie like Phoenix's album this year)

KOL make me cry. I feel abandoned by them. And such a great start, those first two albums are awesome, and the third one isn't anything to shake a stick at. I just don't like it because it feels likey recorded it while hungover from the antics of Aha Shake Heartbreak

I hear ya man....It really is pretty startling in the disparity between Youth and Young Manhood and Aha Shake Heartbreak compared to the last 2 records they've made.  I feel like they've bought into themselves as being huge rockstars and creatively it has really hurt them.  I havent lost all faith yet though....those first two albums were enough to keep me interested in them for a longgg time.

It's going to be extremely hard to change their personalities though. So many interviews where they resent their old fans abandoning them and then in the same interview ask why no one respects them.

I don't respect them since they've stopped buttoning their sparlky shirts past the nipples and allowed their label to market them to teenagers and their moms.

It reminds me of seeing incubus in the 90s. Before Make Yourself came out, they were just fun shows to go to. Then after "drive" hit the airwaves, the crowd shifted to little girls screaming for brandon to take his shirt off, and Mom's calling security over people smoking, moshing, etc. But Incubus didn't start blaming their fans for being disloyal
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: capt. scotty on Dec 12, 2009, 01:09 PM
Didnt KoL say something along the lines this was their "pop" album and then theyre going to go back to something along the lines of their earlier sound? Either way, im not holding my breath and ill believe it when I see it.

...as for Incubus, I hate that Drive is their biggest hit, although I dont think they necessarily "sold out" as much as KoL has (then again, KoL are pretty hard to beat at this point  ;D). You could probably give them credit though bc Im pretty sure Pardon Me and Stellar were both the singles before Drive, and both successful singles, that once Drive came around they just blew up into a whole nother level. Their sound from Fungus Amongus, to SCIENCE, to Make Yourself seemed to be honed each album, and Make Yourself had so many catchy songs on it, it was hard to miss. I quit listening to them after Morning View, but what Ive heard off their last couple albums is pretty good and I dont think they ever dictated their sound to fans or money
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: mjkoehler on Dec 12, 2009, 02:24 PM
KOL's first 3 are fantastic. I think BOTT is an excellent album even if it shies away from the shambly swagger of the first 2. At least it went to a better place then OBTN. OBTN is average, it's ok, but sure as hell does not belong in a best 100 of the last 10 years and certainly not in front of their previous 3 albums (or anything the Jacket have done IMO). It saddens me to see all the new, screaming fans, who have not a fucking clue about anything prior to Sex On Fire or Use Somebody and they think themselves true fans. If their next is in the same vein as OBTN, I'm done I think.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: el_chode on Dec 12, 2009, 03:07 PM
Re: Incubus - they didn't sell out, they mellowed out. If they sold out they would have gone the way of RHCP and made generic anthem rock about California for 4 albums straight. I also met the guys at a screening of the Pick of Destiny and they were beyond normal. They were throwing popcorn at each other during the movie.

Re: Only by the Night. I got it after hearing Sex on Fire, which I liked, and good will of the band, and I think it lasted a whole week in my rotation. And then Use Somebody was co-opted by the OC or something that infected the popular psyche like mind-numbing wildfire.

If it's their pop album, great. But they owe me an album with grungy bass, vaginal cover art, and songs full of hookers and blow.

Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: MarkW on Dec 12, 2009, 03:45 PM
QuoteKOL make me cry. I feel abandoned by them. And such a great start, those first two albums are awesome, and the third one isn't anything to shake a stick at. I just don't like it because it feels likey recorded it while hungover from the antics of Aha Shake Heartbreak

For me, it never got any better than Trani.  That song blew (blows) my mind.  That being said, their entire catalogue beats most of that top 100 hands down...
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: weeniebeenie on Dec 15, 2009, 06:55 AM
QuoteKOL's first 3 are fantastic. I think BOTT is an excellent album even if it shies away from the shambly swagger of the first 2. At least it went to a better place then OBTN. OBTN is average, it's ok, but sure as hell does not belong in a best 100 of the last 10 years and certainly not in front of their previous 3 albums (or anything the Jacket have done IMO). It saddens me to see all the new, screaming fans, who have not a fucking clue about anything prior to Sex On Fire or Use Somebody and they think themselves true fans. If their next is in the same vein as OBTN, I'm done I think.
I totally agree with this. BOTT had some great songs (Arizona, True Love Way, Knocked Up, hell all of it was good) but OBTN was boring compared to their other albums.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: bicyclejoe on Dec 23, 2009, 06:28 PM
QuoteThis list was mainly crap. MMJ should have had all albums on there, as they are all pretty different and all groundbreaking. Green day should never be on any "top" list, they just started bashing bush to sell records and become relevant again. It just seems they left off a lot, mainly MMJ.


That's a silly comment. American Idiot was definitely in my top 5 of the decade. A classic album.
There's a lot of great music on that list.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: The DARK on Dec 24, 2009, 01:16 AM
RS are a bunch of burnouts trying to be hip while insisting that Springsteen, Dylan, and U2 are still making the best albums of the decade. Kid A at #1 seems like a cop-out to me; each best-of list should have its own distinct tone (for better or worse), and a Pitchfork emulation seems to be the only thing they could come up with.

While it's nice to MMJ getting some recognition, I wonder if the magazine will survive after people stop caring about Woodstock.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: bicyclejoe on Dec 24, 2009, 11:10 AM
Yet another silly statement.
Who would have been in your Top 10? At least offer that before throwing out a bunch of negative stereotypes and generalities.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: AMightyCaporal on Dec 24, 2009, 12:01 PM
QuoteYet another silly statement.
Who would have been in your Top 10? At least offer that before throwing out a bunch of negative stereotypes and generalities.

You first  :)
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: My Monkey Friend on Dec 24, 2009, 12:45 PM
"That's a silly comment. American Idiot was definitely in my top 5 of the decade. A classic album.
There's a lot of great music on that list. "

no way that's silly. green day has sounded the same since 1994. they play about 3 chords, and have about 2 different beats. and the singer sounds like cat sex. People lost interest around nimrod, and only seemed to jump back on when they got preachy. one of the worst groups i have ever heard.

if dylan or springsteen release an album of farts, RS will put them in the top 5. Irrelevant list.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: bicyclejoe on Dec 24, 2009, 03:09 PM
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QuoteYet another silly statement.
Who would have been in your Top 10? At least offer that before throwing out a bunch of negative stereotypes and generalities.

You first  :)

Sure:

Green Day -- American Idiot
Arcade Fire -- Funeral
Radiohead -- Kid A
White Stripes -- Elephant
Wilco -- Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
Radiohead -- In Rainbows
TV on the Radio -- Dear Science
My Morning Jacket -- At Dawn
M.I.A. -- Kala
Pearl Jam -- Self-titled


Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: bicyclejoe on Dec 24, 2009, 03:18 PM
Quote"That's a silly comment. American Idiot was definitely in my top 5 of the decade. A classic album.
There's a lot of great music on that list. "

no way that's silly. green day has sounded the same since 1994. they play about 3 chords, and have about 2 different beats. and the singer sounds like cat sex. People lost interest around nimrod, and only seemed to jump back on when they got preachy. one of the worst groups i have ever heard.

if dylan or springsteen release an album of farts, RS will put them in the top 5. Irrelevant list.

"they play about 3 chords, and have about 2 different beats."

So, by that measure, The Clash and The Ramones were among the worst groups too?

"People lost interest around nimrod, and only seemed to jump back on when they got preachy."

I'm assuming that you're someone who doesn't like to be challenged with thoughts and opinions outside your front door. Music and art should reflect the challenges and politics of an epoch. It should be a snapshot of an era, of hope and betrayal, of dissent, of mood, not a generic assembly of dance beats and guitar licks. If only more musicians would have been "preachy" at a time of unforgivable lies and unforgettable excess. I'm assuming courage offends your passion for self, income and status quo.

"one of the worst groups i have ever heard. if dylan or springsteen release an album of farts, RS will put them in the top 5. Irrelevant list."

And with that rhetorical flourish, any glimmer of credibility fades. I don't question your taste. I question your intellect.





Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: capt. scotty on Dec 24, 2009, 04:43 PM
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QuoteYet another silly statement.
Who would have been in your Top 10? At least offer that before throwing out a bunch of negative stereotypes and generalities.

You first  :)

Sure:

Green Day -- American Idiot
Arcade Fire -- Funeral
Radiohead -- Kid A
White Stripes -- Elephant
Wilco -- Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
Radiohead -- In Rainbows
TV on the Radio -- Dear Science
My Morning Jacket -- At Dawn
M.I.A. -- Kala
Pearl Jam -- Self-titled

quick question: which magazine do you work for?

....dont lie now
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: ManNamedTruth on Dec 25, 2009, 01:11 PM
QuotePaste had the best list I've seen so far...Paste is hands down the best mainstream music source out there.  

http://www.rollogrady.com/paste-magazine-50-best-albums-of-the-decade/

At least Rolling Stone had an MMJ album though. Paste and several other lists totally snubbed MMJ and Neko Case.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: el_chode on Dec 27, 2009, 02:08 PM
American Idiot is about as inspired as that recent campaign to get a Rage song to be the anti-commercial success on the UK charts.

If you can't see the irony inherent in either situation, you may find them both to be awesome.

And the difference between Green Day's three-chord redundancy and the Ramones and the Clash is found in an old Calvin and Hobbes bit where Calvin remarks at the stupidity of an idea and how anyone could have thought of it, yet his Teacher, Ms. Wormwood, points out that the original author is the one who actually did it, so STFU. Also, the clash are way more nuanced than Green Day musically, and I hate the Clash and think they're a one-album wonder and that one album isn't all that great. The Ramones are awesome, and like Neil Young, they can at least make something beautiful out of a single note or chord.

Finally, the Ramones and the Clash actually had inspired messages to go with it, not the pre-canned fight against mommy and daddy tome that Green Day excels at. A bunch of old men wearing eye liner talking about the current state of society doesn't really make much sense when they're doing it on the stage of the VMAs.
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: bicyclejoe on Dec 27, 2009, 03:02 PM
Quote
Quote
Quote
QuoteYet another silly statement.
Who would have been in your Top 10? At least offer that before throwing out a bunch of negative stereotypes and generalities.

You first  :)

Sure:

Green Day -- American Idiot
Arcade Fire -- Funeral
Radiohead -- Kid A
White Stripes -- Elephant
Wilco -- Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
Radiohead -- In Rainbows
TV on the Radio -- Dear Science
My Morning Jacket -- At Dawn
M.I.A. -- Kala
Pearl Jam -- Self-titled

quick question: which magazine do you work for?

....dont lie now

The Economist
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: My Monkey Friend on Dec 29, 2009, 10:28 AM
El Chode, I couldnt have said it better myself.

"I'm assuming that you're someone who doesn't like to be challenged with thoughts and opinions outside your front door. Music and art should reflect the challenges and politics of an epoch. It should be a snapshot of an era, of hope and betrayal, of dissent, of mood, not a generic assembly of dance beats and guitar licks. If only more musicians would have been "preachy" at a time of unforgivable lies and unforgettable excess. I'm assuming courage offends your passion for self, income and status quo."

Your assumption is off base, and wrong. Green Day reflects no change, just jumping on a bandwagon to sell their failed version of music. I cant even start to explain to you how obvious it is that they got preachy just to push the expiration date on their career a bit further. If you cant see that, I question your intellect. I dont mind preachy artists at all, but the fake ones (Green day) drive me fucking crazy. Throw in the fact that their music is absolute piss, and you have one shitty group. cant believe I got this riled up about green day. I guess i just dont like seeing fake shitbirds get any credit.

Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: capt. scotty on Dec 29, 2009, 09:21 PM
Not to get off topic, but I still love rocking Dookie every once in awhile
Title: Re: Rolling Stone 100 Albums of the Decade
Post by: el_chode on Dec 29, 2009, 09:26 PM
QuoteNot to get off topic, but I still love rocking Dookie every once in awhile

I've owned at least 3 copies of it