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Found this, maybe someone already posted this (I can't bear to visit all parts of the forum these days...  ;)), but if not:

"Nobody in the music world seems to like Arizona's controversial new immigration law, but people are divided on how to approach it. Rage Against the Machine frontman Zack de la Rocha has helped organized the Sound Strike, a protest that involves various musicians agreeing to boycott the entire state of Arizona until the law is repealed. Kanye West, Sonic Youth, Conor Oberst, Massive Attack, and many others have already signed up for the boycott; Oberst recently recorded a new song specifically for the Sound Strike.

Today, the Sound Strike has announced a list of artists who have recently joined the boycott, including Nine Inch Nails, M[highlight]y Morning Jacket[/highlight], Gogol Bordello, Steve Earle, Chris Rock, Billy Bragg, DJ Spooky, and Throwing Muses."

From: http://pitchfork.com/news/39293-nine-inch-nails-my-morning-jacket-join-arizona-boycott-as-backlash-mounts/

Hope the strike works!
:)

Yeah good to see the boys get behind a cause!

Read that Zach was also talking about doing some concerts as well...could be awesome to catch a few of these bands on the same bill.

How about RATM come out with a new album this decade instead of boycotting fans who have no control over the law

You know what, this seriously pisses me off.  I've paid well over $100 to see MMJ play the Marquee Theatre in Tempe, Arizona on three separate occasions.  I also paid to see them play Coachella and have bought plenty in merchandise.  MMJ always draws a great, adoring crowd here...and because of those shows I saw at the Marquee I always considered them my favorite live act EVER.

Now I see they are boycotting the state.  Bullsh**!  What is that going to accomplish other than alienating your fans here and hurting local promoters?  There's no way that any AZ politician that voted yes on this admittedly BS law really cares if MMJ ever plays Arizona again.  I highly doubt Evil Urges was on Jan Brewer's "Best of 2008" list.  

But guess who does care - their fans.  Does MMJ seriously think any more than a tiny minority of their fans support this law?  Why not actually COME HERE instead and put on a benefit show for the Political Action organizations fighting the law?  Just like Public Enemy did back in Arizona back in the early nineties - at least those guys had the huevos to show up and confront the problem head-on.

Anyway, this guy (who's the best promoter in the state) puts it a lot more elegantly than I can:

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/2010/06/23/20100623levy24.html

Ohh, and same goes to you, Sonic Youth.  Paid $35 to see your show at the Marquee in January, now I see you decided to piss all over those same fans that showed up.  Thanks a lot.

QuoteYou know what, this seriously pisses me off.  I've paid well over $100 to see MMJ play the Marquee Theatre in Tempe, Arizona on three separate occasions.  I also paid to see them play Coachella and have bought plenty in merchandise.  MMJ always draws a great, adoring crowd here...and because of those shows I saw at the Marquee I always considered them my favorite live act EVER.

Now I see they are boycotting the state.  Bullsh**!  What is that going to accomplish other than alienating your fans here and hurting local promoters?  There's no way that any AZ politician that voted yes on this admittedly BS law really cares if MMJ ever plays Arizona again.  I highly doubt Evil Urges was on Jan Brewer's "Best of 2008" list.  

But guess who does care - their fans.  Does MMJ seriously think any more than a tiny minority of their fans support this law?  Why not actually COME HERE instead and put on a benefit show for the Political Action organizations fighting the law?  Just like Public Enemy did back in Arizona back in the early nineties - at least those guys had the huevos to show up and confront the problem head-on.

Anyway, this guy (who's the best promoter in the state) puts it a lot more elegantly than I can:

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/2010/06/23/20100623levy24.html

Ohh, and same goes to you, Sonic Youth.  Paid $35 to see your show at the Marquee in January, now I see you decided to piss all over those same fans that showed up.  Thanks a lot.

Sound Strike architect Zack de la Rocha tells Billboard that the protest could culminate in a series of protest concerts in July: "In the coming weeks we are going to be organizing a series of concerts that are respectful of the nature of the boycott in its attempts to isolate the Arizona government but not isolate the people, and especially the organizations that are fighting this on the ground," de la Rocha said in a telephone interview. "Many of us have begun to plan concerts that include bands that have signed on the Sound Strike, and make tickets available so that people within Arizona can come and see these concerts as they roll out. These are things that are being set into motion right now - a series of concerts or maybe even one giant concert in late July."

http://bit.ly/9Ayp2Z

I won't be supporting this. I'm for the Arizona law.  I don't even know where to begin with everything that is wrong with this boycott. I think the boys are putting there name on something that could damage future revenue.  It's to big of a hot button issue and they are on the wrong side of public opinion.  If they want to boycott something  boycott BP.  The southern border is the biggest threat to our financial and national security.  

Let's try to walk on eggshells with this thread. [smiley=beer.gif]. Or is it tread softly?   ;D

Like SunDevil, I'm really bummed to see MMJ on this list.  This protest only hurts people who share the artists' viewpoints.  It doesn't surprise me to see a band like RATM conceive such a short-sighted solution, as they've based their career on being a novelty act masquerading as activists, but I'd hope MMJ reconsiders.  Their position on donating ticket funds to local charities is truly admirable, and they could make a big impact by playing in AZ, talking up the show to local media, and making a big point of choosing a charity group like nomoredeaths.org, which Damian Abraham from F*cked Up pointed out is a charity working on the front lines to fight the fallout of immigration laws.

QuoteYou know what, this seriously pisses me off.  I've paid well over $100 to see MMJ play the Marquee Theatre in Tempe, Arizona on three separate occasions.  I also paid to see them play Coachella and have bought plenty in merchandise.  MMJ always draws a great, adoring crowd here...and because of those shows I saw at the Marquee I always considered them my favorite live act EVER.

Now I see they are boycotting the state.  Bullsh**!  What is that going to accomplish other than alienating your fans here and hurting local promoters?  There's no way that any AZ politician that voted yes on this admittedly BS law really cares if MMJ ever plays Arizona again.  I highly doubt Evil Urges was on Jan Brewer's "Best of 2008" list.  

But guess who does care - their fans.  Does MMJ seriously think any more than a tiny minority of their fans support this law?  Why not actually COME HERE instead and put on a benefit show for the Political Action organizations fighting the law?  Just like Public Enemy did back in Arizona back in the early nineties - at least those guys had the huevos to show up and confront the problem head-on.

Anyway, this guy (who's the best promoter in the state) puts it a lot more elegantly than I can:

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/2010/06/23/20100623levy24.html

Ohh, and same goes to you, Sonic Youth.  Paid $35 to see your show at the Marquee in January, now I see you decided to piss all over those same fans that showed up.  Thanks a lot.

[size=16]Amen SUNDEVIL!  F**K this "boycott" crap.  People need to take a HUGE f-ing time out and realize that states rights are KING in the U-S-of A!  AZ has every right to protect it's soveignty against the tide of criminal trash crawling across its borders and raising havoc.  Here's a novel idea:  How about Mexico cleans up all the corruption and criminal behavior in its government so it can concentrate on creating an economy of its own that its people actually want to work and thrive in instead of violating our laws and trying to steal our economy away from us!  SUNDEVIL:  I am officially on an Arizona BUYCOTT!  I am buying as many "made in Arizona" products as I can find!  God Bless Gov. Brewer! [/size]

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QuoteYou know what, this seriously pisses me off.  I've paid well over $100 to see MMJ play the Marquee Theatre in Tempe, Arizona on three separate occasions.  I also paid to see them play Coachella and have bought plenty in merchandise.  MMJ always draws a great, adoring crowd here...and because of those shows I saw at the Marquee I always considered them my favorite live act EVER.

Now I see they are boycotting the state.  Bullsh**!  What is that going to accomplish other than alienating your fans here and hurting local promoters?  There's no way that any AZ politician that voted yes on this admittedly BS law really cares if MMJ ever plays Arizona again.  I highly doubt Evil Urges was on Jan Brewer's "Best of 2008" list.  

But guess who does care - their fans.  Does MMJ seriously think any more than a tiny minority of their fans support this law?  Why not actually COME HERE instead and put on a benefit show for the Political Action organizations fighting the law?  Just like Public Enemy did back in Arizona back in the early nineties - at least those guys had the huevos to show up and confront the problem head-on.

Anyway, this guy (who's the best promoter in the state) puts it a lot more elegantly than I can:

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/2010/06/23/20100623levy24.html

Ohh, and same goes to you, Sonic Youth.  Paid $35 to see your show at the Marquee in January, now I see you decided to piss all over those same fans that showed up.  Thanks a lot.

[size=16]Amen SUNDEVIL!  F**K this "boycott" crap.  People need to take a HUGE f-ing time out and realize that states rights are KING in the U-S-of A!  AZ has every right to protect it's soveignty against the tide of criminal trash crawling across its borders and raising havoc.  Here's a novel idea:  How about Mexico cleans up all the corruption and criminal behavior in its government so it can concentrate on creating an economy of its own that its people actually want to work and thrive in instead of violating our laws and trying to steal our economy away from us!  SUNDEVIL:  I am officially on an Arizona BUYCOTT!  I am buying as many "made in Arizona" products as I can find!  God Bless Gov. Brewer! [/size]

AHH OHH...  Looks like someone POKED THE BEAR.  I new this topic would pull you out of hibernation  ;).

I'm with you on this one my good fellow.

Does anyone know where I can read a neutral description of the law.  I've never really seen the details anywhere, just all of the reaction to it.

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QuoteYou know what, this seriously pisses me off.  I've paid well over $100 to see MMJ play the Marquee Theatre in Tempe, Arizona on three separate occasions.  I also paid to see them play Coachella and have bought plenty in merchandise.  MMJ always draws a great, adoring crowd here...and because of those shows I saw at the Marquee I always considered them my favorite live act EVER.

Now I see they are boycotting the state.  Bullsh**!  What is that going to accomplish other than alienating your fans here and hurting local promoters?  There's no way that any AZ politician that voted yes on this admittedly BS law really cares if MMJ ever plays Arizona again.  I highly doubt Evil Urges was on Jan Brewer's "Best of 2008" list.  

But guess who does care - their fans.  Does MMJ seriously think any more than a tiny minority of their fans support this law?  Why not actually COME HERE instead and put on a benefit show for the Political Action organizations fighting the law?  Just like Public Enemy did back in Arizona back in the early nineties - at least those guys had the huevos to show up and confront the problem head-on.

Anyway, this guy (who's the best promoter in the state) puts it a lot more elegantly than I can:

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/2010/06/23/20100623levy24.html

Ohh, and same goes to you, Sonic Youth.  Paid $35 to see your show at the Marquee in January, now I see you decided to piss all over those same fans that showed up.  Thanks a lot.

[size=16]Amen SUNDEVIL!  F**K this "boycott" crap.  People need to take a HUGE f-ing time out and realize that states rights are KING in the U-S-of A!  AZ has every right to protect it's soveignty against the tide of criminal trash crawling across its borders and raising havoc.  Here's a novel idea:  How about Mexico cleans up all the corruption and criminal behavior in its government so it can concentrate on creating an economy of its own that its people actually want to work and thrive in instead of violating our laws and trying to steal our economy away from us!  SUNDEVIL:  I am officially on an Arizona BUYCOTT!  I am buying as many "made in Arizona" products as I can find!  God Bless Gov. Brewer! [/size]

AHH OHH...  Looks like someone POKED THE BEAR.  I new this topic would pull you out of hibernation  ;).

I'm with you on this one my good fellow.

For you T-bug:   :-*

Yeah, not a huge fan of the law, although I can see what it's aim is.  The boycott is also pretty stupid.  You hurt people in the state who are for the law/aren't for the law.  It would be like boycotting BP.....it sounds like a trendy thing to do, but you hurt a lot of American workers who depend on their paychecks to live.  The oil spill and the border wars are bad situations....boycotts do nothing to help.  And bands not playing in a state won't make a difference one way or another.  It'd be like MMJ not putting BP gas in their bus....who gives a shit?  It's kinda laughable.

Make a damn new album already.

When you all start a band anybody gives a shit about then you can do whatever you want and hear it from a bunch of haters on the internet.  Till then, live and let live.

Well I don't know too much about this and I'm not American, but about this becoming like a punishment to fans in the state, I think Conor Oberst said it pretty well when he said that:

"I've played a lot of shows in Arizona and I have fans there and I hope that they don't feel like we're attempting to punish them, 'cause that's not what it's about. If the choices are some kind of action, even if it's somewhat imperfect, or no action at all, we have to choose some kind of action."

Not that he has anything to do with how MMJ feels about it, but I still think it's pretty well put. But that's just my humble European opinion, no offense meant to anyone.

the law is poorly drafted.  its goals could have been accomplished in a much better way.  i don't like talking politics whatsoever, but i can understand what Conor is saying, and i imagine that the MMJ guys feel similar to Conor.  i don't see them doing this to punish fans, more that they are just standing up for what they believe in.  and as the fourth of july approaches, standing up for what believe in is quite american, and we should celebrate our rights and MMJ's rights to stand up for what matters to them.  

regardless of your opinion on the never ending tension between states rights vs. federal law, the band is entitled to make any statement they want/not make an statement they want. this is america.

moreover, while you may not like the position, THE BOYCOTT IS NOT ABOUT YOU. IT IS NOT ABOUT ARIZONA FANS. it seems to be about the band choosing to not patronize/contribute revenue to a government that the band feels is not in line with what they think is appropriate/fair/right.

good luck with your BUYcott. good thing arizona is such a hotbed of manufacturing and production. this should be easy.

I am going to start a BUYcott.  Of Members Only jackets!!!

(http://www.rewarevintage.com/personal/images/Jacobcalexico.jpg)

My main man Zac Efron wears Members Only jackets. Gots to stock up NOW.

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4121/4747887784_da523c9dc8_m.jpg)

Vintage Tom Chambers t-shirts are the perfect buycott accessories to Members Only Jackets.
(http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2007/08/23/tom_chambers_3.jpg)

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good luck with your BUYcott. good thing arizona is such a hotbed of manufacturing and production. this should be easy.

You are more right than you know, though I sense you were going for a smarmy, sarcastic swipe at those who choose to support Arizonans, so luck is not needed, thanks.

Arizona BUYcott tips!!!

(http://whatscookingamerica.net/Sandwich/Lettuce.jpg)

Lettuce!!

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Copper!!

(http://www.domain-b.com/aero/images/domain-b_radar-guided_missile.jpg)

Guided Missiles!!

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good luck with your BUYcott. good thing arizona is such a hotbed of manufacturing and production. this should be easy.

You are more right than you know, though I sense you were going for a smarmy, sarcastic swipe at those who choose to support Arizonans, so luck is not needed, thanks.

i have nothing against the people of arizona. i feel strongly about securing the little we have left of the middle class and the average person's ability to earn at least a livable wage. that being said, the boycott should maybe be taken as a message from those who oppose sb1070 to elect politicians and implement policies that speak to the character of what the country is about.

Well of course I'd 1st purchase Tom Chambers memorabilia! ;D  

Don't forget

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Space Vehicles

and

(http://mangalorean.com/recipes/images/articles/0723carving.jpg)

Canteloupes!

I say that if MMJ wants to stand behind health care reform, then they have every right to do so.

Oops...wrong thread.  Carry on.

Some of you guys are missing the point - Sure, I acknowledge that MMJ has a right to boycott Arizona.  I never disputed that.  But I also have a right to criticize what I believe to be a misguided decision on the band's part.

What is completely ridiculous about this whole thing is that despite my personal opposition to the law, a MAJORITY OF AMERICANS support it (here you go: http://abcnews.go.com/images/WN/1110a8%20Immigration.pdf)  

So what now, MMJ, are you going to just boycott the entirety of the USA?  What do you think the support for sb1070 is in their own home state, backwoods Kentucky of all places??? Probably pretty high!

QuoteSome of you guys are missing the point - Sure, I acknowledge that MMJ has a right to boycott Arizona.  I never disputed that.  But I also have a right to criticize what I believe to be a misguided decision on the band's part.

What is completely ridiculous about this whole thing is that despite my personal opposition to the law, a MAJORITY OF AMERICANS support it (here you go: http://abcnews.go.com/images/WN/1110a8%20Immigration.pdf)  

So what now, MMJ, are you going to just boycott the entirety of the USA?  What do you think the support for sb1070 is in their own home state, backwoods Kentucky of all places??? Probably pretty high!

All the more reason to give them extra credit for going against the majority.  What does the majority view have to do with the bands view?  With all due respect, that doesn't really make any sense.   The majority of americans also like Celine Dion, So You Think You Can Dance and McDonalds.   Does that mean I should too?  MMJ has proven time and time again that they aren't all that worried about making everyone happy.  They do what they feel is important to THEM and don't really give a damn what the "majority" thinks.  I don't necessarily agree with them on this particular issue, I guess you could say I'm still on the fence.  But guess what I have done to help the country with this issue?   Nothing.   At least the band has done something.  The power of the vote and our decision making is all we have.  The band is just using theirs.

QuoteAt least the band has done something.  The power of the vote and our decision making is all we have.  The band is just using theirs.

I honestly don't think they've done much at all.   To imply that bands that have joined the boycott have taken some sort of action is laughable, and here's why:

Unfortunately for me and others that live in the Phoenix area, Phoenix is an easy market to skip over. The crowds are only about average and the financial impact on the artist for choosing not to play here is minimal. Skipping Arizona on your tour is not "taking action" in my opinion. It's like me saying "I'm not buying any more French wine due to their lack of support in Iraq" when I have maybe two glasses of French wine all year anyway.

Now, on the other hand, did you see any musicians boycotting California after Proposition 8 passed last year?  Of course not.  You think they'd miss out on the markets of San Diego, LA, Bay Area, all the festival appearances (Coachella, Treasure Island, etc...)? Hell no.  That would require sacrifice on the part of the band.  AZ is just an easy target, and to "boycott" and disengage from dialogue within the state is just kind of a lazy way to make a band feel better about themselves - and it only impacts the local fans and promoters.  It really requires no effort other than removing a tour date and adding your name to a list.  Its like signing one of those lame internet petitions.  Please.

Here is a cool video I found of Carl talking about his choice of amps.
http://www.mesaboogie.com/gallery_artist/video/carlBroemel.html

More stuff about his gear set up.
http://www.sourceaudio.net/artists/detail/carl-broehmel/

Playing the Pixies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaFckQzfe64

I couldn't find a recent Carl thread and came across some stuff I think is neat.

QuoteHere is a cool video I found of Carl talking about his choice of amps.
http://www.mesaboogie.com/gallery_artist/video/carlBroemel.html

More stuff about his gear set up.
http://www.sourceaudio.net/artists/detail/carl-broehmel/

Playing the Pixies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaFckQzfe64

I couldn't find a recent Carl thread and came across some stuff I think is neat.

Woohoo thanks a lot, I'll throw in these in case someone missed them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvotgfuL_OU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl_5NEweDw8

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