I'll be sure to watch Nancy Grace tonight. :D
(http://prettyboring.com/files/images/nancy-grace-wrongful-death-lawsuit-300x189.jpg)
Un-friggin believable :o
I'm sure they'll get her when she tries to steal back her sports memorabilia.
Those jurors must be smokin the good medical stuff. So I wonder how they think she died ? It was the meter reader right ?
Quote from: Taterbug on Jul 05, 2011, 03:10 PM
Those jurors must be smokin the good medical stuff.
I blame the state, not the jury. They didn't prove she did anything besides lie to the cops, which she was convicted for.
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Quote from: Taterbug on Jul 05, 2011, 03:10 PM
Those jurors must be smokin the good medical stuff.
I blame the state, not the jury. They didn't prove she did anything besides lie to the cops, which she was convicted for.
I disagree, the State proved without a doubt in my mind she did it. So why would she wait 31 days to report her child drowned in the pool without having anything to hide. Or was it the nanny kidnapping her, I can't remember all her lies.
On behalf of the State of Floirida I would like to remind you that we did not let OJ free. So we've got that going for us.
Quote from: Taterbug on Jul 05, 2011, 03:17 PM
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Quote from: Taterbug on Jul 05, 2011, 03:10 PM
Those jurors must be smokin the good medical stuff.
I blame the state, not the jury. They didn't prove she did anything besides lie to the cops, which she was convicted for.
I disagree, the State proved without a doubt in my mind she did it. So why would she wait 31 days to report her child drowned in the pool without having anything to hide. Or was it the nanny kidnapping her, I can't remember all her lies.
proving to you "in your mind" is convincing, nothing was proven, at all. we can guess based on choices and character, but there isn't proof beyond reasonable doubt
Quote from: e_wind on Jul 05, 2011, 03:51 PM
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Quote from: BigHerm on Jul 05, 2011, 03:13 PM
Quote from: Taterbug on Jul 05, 2011, 03:10 PM
Those jurors must be smokin the good medical stuff.
I blame the state, not the jury. They didn't prove she did anything besides lie to the cops, which she was convicted for.
I disagree, the State proved without a doubt in my mind she did it. So why would she wait 31 days to report her child drowned in the pool without having anything to hide. Or was it the nanny kidnapping her, I can't remember all her lies.
proving to you "in your mind" is convincing, nothing was proven, at all. we can guess based on choices and character, but there isn't proof beyond reasonable doubt
So you agree with the jury and would of found her not guilty ?
absolutely. i "think" she probably caused accidental man slaughter, but she shouldn't be sentenced to death without factual evidence.
Quote from: e_wind on Jul 05, 2011, 04:21 PM
absolutely. i "think" she probably caused accidental man slaughter, but she shouldn't be sentenced to death without factual evidence.
If I was on that jury we would still be deliberating , Because there would be NO way I would have let this happen. The other jurors would probably want to put duct tape over my mouth and throw me in a swamp.
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Quote from: e_wind on Jul 05, 2011, 04:21 PM
absolutely. i "think" she probably caused accidental man slaughter, but she shouldn't be sentenced to death without factual evidence.
If I was on that jury we would still be deliberating , Because there would be NO way I would have let this happen. The other jurors would probably want to put duct tape over my mouth and throw me in a swamp.
Where was any evidence that she killed her? They don't even know how she died...
plenty of people have been found guilty based on circumstantial evidence, however it's not the norm and beyond a reasonable doubt is a pretty heavy burden of persuasion
i didn't follow this as much, but it seemed like in the OJ case there was more of a motive and also more physical evidence..so i don't think this was as blantant of an error
i feel bad for her parents..
Quote from: BigHerm on Jul 05, 2011, 04:32 PM
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Quote from: e_wind on Jul 05, 2011, 04:21 PM
absolutely. i "think" she probably caused accidental man slaughter, but she shouldn't be sentenced to death without factual evidence.
If I was on that jury we would still be deliberating , Because there would be NO way I would have let this happen. The other jurors would probably want to put duct tape over my mouth and throw me in a swamp.
Where was any evidence that she killed her? They don't even know how she died...
nope...i believe all tests were inconclusive
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Quote from: e_wind on Jul 05, 2011, 04:21 PM
absolutely. i "think" she probably caused accidental man slaughter, but she shouldn't be sentenced to death without factual evidence.
If I was on that jury we would still be deliberating , Because there would be NO way I would have let this happen. The other jurors would probably want to put duct tape over my mouth and throw me in a swamp.
Where was any evidence that she killed her? They don't even know how she died...
You don't need a cause of death. In Illinois we can have a conviction in a capital murder case on hearsay alone.
Whether she did it or not, the whole case seems screwy. What with the accusations of incest and abuse and the dad supposedly covering up his granddaughter's death. And that fake babysitter... How do you ever get the truth when everyone is pointing fingers. What's really sad about this whole thing is that something awful happened to that little girl and it's highly unlikely anyone will be punished for it.
Quote from: bowl of soup on Jul 05, 2011, 03:42 PM
On behalf of the State of Floirida I would like to remind you that we did not let OJ free. So we've got that going for us.
You also get credit for getting George Bush elected, Never forget the hanging chads ;) ;D
Quote from: kydiddle on Jul 05, 2011, 05:17 PM
Whether she did it or not, the whole case seems screwy. What with the accusations of incest and abuse and the dad supposedly covering up his granddaughter's death. And that fake babysitter... How do you ever get the truth when everyone is pointing fingers. What's really sad about this whole thing is that something awful happened to that little girl and it's highly unlikely anyone will be punished for it.
i guess it was an awesome defense..distract distract distract...the parents are caught in the middle, having to defend their actions but they can't defend anything strong enough that might implicate their daughter and send her to the chair...
Disgusting. After all the shit I have seen and heard from this bitch for the past three years it is pretty obvious who is guilty here.
Quote from: Taterbug on Jul 05, 2011, 04:30 PM
The other jurors would probably want to put duct tape over my mouth and throw me in a swamp.
Man, I've been trying to rally people to get this done here for years ;)
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Quote from: Taterbug on Jul 05, 2011, 04:30 PM
The other jurors would probably want to put duct tape over my mouth and throw me in a swamp.
Man, I've been trying to rally people to get this done here for years ;)
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Real nice !!! I would prefer being stoned to death. But instead of stones we would substitute peeps.
That shit is just crazy. What has our legal system come to? I think this is much worse than the O.J. case. I hate to see that poor girl not get justice
man there sure are a lot of people that know the truth, maybe you all should go testify with your conclusive evidence.
I'm friggin' disgusted by the verdict. Unbelievable. Well, I guess now she can go live that "Bella Vita" she wanted (and got that tattoo two weeks after her daughter went "missing").
Quote from: e_wind on Jul 05, 2011, 10:16 PM
man there sure are a lot of people that know the truth, maybe you all should go testify with your conclusive evidence.
Someone killed that girl and now no one will know, not saying the mom for sure did it, but having chloroform in your car and not reporting your missing child for over a month is highly suspicious. Guess now we won't know and the girl just won't receive justice.
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Quote from: e_wind on Jul 05, 2011, 04:21 PM
absolutely. i "think" she probably caused accidental man slaughter, but she shouldn't be sentenced to death without factual evidence.
If I was on that jury we would still be deliberating , Because there would be NO way I would have let this happen. The other jurors would probably want to put duct tape over my mouth and throw me in a swamp.
Where was any evidence that she killed her? They don't even know how she died...
You don't need a cause of death. In Illinois we can have a conviction in a capital murder case on hearsay alone.
Really?
I don't agree with the death penalty but I definitely think she should have received life in prison. Her story doesn't make sense and there were too many lies told. If she was innocent why make up all these people and jobs and not report your daughter missing for a month?
Look at the bright side...At least now she can go to a plastic surgeon and get those EARS fixed.....welcome to F-L-O-R-I-D-U-H...incompetent prosecutors , incompetent police procedures , etc....if you want to royally FUCK UP then c'mon down to HICKSVILLE :embarassed:
I heard on the news this morning that she wrote a letter from jail a year ago and said the first thing she was going to do when she's free is get pregnant and have another baby. Amazing.
The fact is, no one really knows what happened b/c there were no witnesses and no hard evidence. That's how it works usually. So what if she got a tatoo? So what if she was partying? That didn't mean she murdered her kid. That woman who drowned her kids in a mini-van who said she was carjacked went to church every Sunday until she was found guilty. So what?
You know, yearly, people are exonerated for crimes that they served YEARS for due to new evidence (mostly DNA). The outrage over this 1 "tot mom" case supercedes all the outrage I have seen for these cases of people being falsely convicted and sentenced COMBINED! The blood lust is a little unnerving.
seems like the exact opposite is happening in Italy in the Amanda Knox case right now, (damning her because of her behavior afterwards -when apparently she didn't even know she was a suspect, the language and culture barrier, lack of physical evidence),
the Italian court would have convicted Casey Anthony...
Quote from: weeniebeenie on Jul 06, 2011, 02:40 AM
I don't agree with the death penalty but I definitely think she should have received life in prison. Her story doesn't make sense and there were too many lies told. If she was innocent why make up all these people and jobs and not report your daughter missing for a month?
if they didn't find that she committed the murder, they would have to find her not guilty of all of it (except the lying, which she admitted anyway)..they couldn't say that they believed the evidence tied her physically to it somehow but all her lies meant that she
probably accidentally did it...the jury members are probably given strict instructions for each count...
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jul 06, 2011, 08:55 AM
The blood lust is a little unnerving.
You're right. I can sleep better at night knowing a guilty person is walking rather than convicting an innocent person. But what's really unnerving is a dead 2 year old who was buried (practically) in her mom's backyard and not reported for a month. Not sure that means we're blood lusting, people just want justice. And the grandparents, who now have a dead granddaughter and (most likely) a sociopathic daughter are the other real victims in my opinion..
I don't know a thing, but I usually go into a panic if I don't know where my kids are for 30 seconds. But then again, I'm older and certainly wasn't equipped enough to deal with the responsibilities of being a parent at 19 - still guessing that my actions would have been different, who knows.
I do know this; any disgust that you feel now will pale in comparison to the disgust that you are going to feel about the aftermath. People or Star; Celebrity Rehab or the Real Housewives of Orlando; Oprah of Katie. So many choices....
Quote from: Penny Lane on Jul 06, 2011, 09:29 AM
Not sure that means we're blood lusting, people just want justice.
I don't think most people know what justice is. I think most people freak out when real life situations don't end with a nicely tied bow with pretty ribbon, like we have been fed our whole lives through TV. I didn't watch any of this trial and only know about it from glimpses here and there and I happened to be eating lunch during the reading of the verdict. I sort of caught the vibe that "everyone" seemed to think she was guilty, led by some high charged TV lawyer experts. I got a good chuckle when all that went to shit and everyone went running for cover and then the "I told you she would be innoncent" people seemed to emerge with their "expertise". Pop culture and TV fascinate me, but it leads to brain drain so I opt out more and more.
Again, if America cared about justice, we'd be "outraged" about these overturned sentences or why there are still men and women soldiers being killed in Afghanistan. But we're not. We are waiting for Fox News or CNN to tell us what we should be "outraged" about next.
Jim Morrison said back in the day: We are ruled by TV.
Jim James says something to that effect (or affect ;)) on a vimeo around here.
And Bill Hicks said: You have the right to do exactly what your government tells you to do.
We've all been had, pretty much.
Here you go:
Casey Anthony trial turned into media frenzyhttp://news.yahoo.com/casey-anthony-trial-turned-media-frenzy-031041514.html (http://news.yahoo.com/casey-anthony-trial-turned-media-frenzy-031041514.html)
I don't even have tv anymore, so I can't argue for or against that -but does it nullify the argument to bring up all other injustices? People who are surprised and appalled now aren't necessarily tools of the pop culture media. Not everyone sits around watching news all day.
From what we know, where the body was found, how it was found, the things that were googled on their computer, the actions of everyone after the dissappearance, her mom's eventual call to police, her dad's testimony, the defense's various theories, lack of alibi, creation of a fictitious nanny, the parents' attitude toward their daughter now, it goes against everything in human nature to believe she's innocent and be okay with it.
OJ proved the right lawyering can conquer all. I don't blame the jury, you can't convict with any doubt, not with someone's life.
yeah, it just doesn't outrage me. And I say that "in light of" all the injustice in our country and planet. If we had a just and fair system, then yes, it might outrage me. That's my perspective, like it or not.
However, the only reason this is being disucssed is b/c of TV and ratings. That is the only reason this thread exists. So, that's why I mentioned it.
I recall how the entire nation was glued to the TV during the OJ "trial" (i.e. black ex-athlete kills pretty, white ex-wife and "associate") while 800,000 people were being slaughtered in Rwanda. I really think the universe gives us options to be our best human selves, but unfortunately TV ratings and commercials drive the heart and soul of our nation. It will come back full circle. ;)
I completely agree with you on a grander scale.
I guess I would just say that pain isn't relative, neither is outrage.
Quote from: Penny Lane on Jul 06, 2011, 11:14 AM
I guess I would just say that pain isn't relative, neither is outrage.
Yes. I learned this when my sister became
outraged when she could not get 100% breeding rights for her $4,300 Portuguese Water Dog the day after my wife and I had the brakes go out on our $600 dollar Buick LeSabre which was thankfully halted on it's dive down a hill by a $2,000 dry stack mailbox (which we jenga'd over and had to pay for).
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jul 06, 2011, 11:45 AM
Quote from: Penny Lane on Jul 06, 2011, 11:14 AM
I guess I would just say that pain isn't relative, neither is outrage.
Yes. I learned this when my sister became outraged when she could not get 100% breeding rights for her $4,300 Portuguese Water Dog the day after my wife and I had the brakes go out on our $600 dollar Buick LeSabre which was thankfully halted on it's dive down a hill by a $2,000 dry stack mailbox (which we jenga'd over and had to pay for).
okay. i'll try not to get overjoyed or outraged at anything again until all the troops are brought home from everywhere in the middle east, till the Hutus and Tutsis live together in harmony, and until medicinal marijuana is legalized in every state..
and lay off your sister, these things are cute! (or are they?)
(http://www.akc.org/images/breeds/portuguese_water_dog/lg_artwork.jpg)
Quote from: Penny Lane on Jul 06, 2011, 12:30 PM
and lay off your sister, these things are cute! (or are they?)
(http://www.akc.org/images/breeds/portuguese_water_dog/lg_artwork.jpg)
3 words sum up those dogs for me (at least the pure breeds)
REALLY DUMB
Gonna have to agree with Tracy here, people are really throwing the word "justice" around far too much after this trial. The whole thing was a media scheme, that worked, and now everyones riled up. The fact is, that even on a more reasonable scale, "injustice" happens everyday, but when the media gets involved, people are ready to lose it. I can't tell you how many status updates I saw yesterday about people loosing faith in the american justice system. Yet if you drive to downtown Louisville, cops are hassling people on the streets who are simply walking around, falsly searching them, and sending them to jail for having one hit of meth on them. Where's the justice for them? Give me a break, this isn't injustice, this is a case thats probably happened a million times over, but since its a young girl and her young daughter, its interesting enough for everyone to get involved and feel upset. The true injustice is how much this tragedy became hyped up as if we were watching a game show. The plain and simple facts are that this girl has no conclusive evidence against her and no matter how much you hate her because of her lies, she does not deserve jail with out evidence. No one wants to see more innocent people locked up, then released 10 years later.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jul 06, 2011, 12:34 PM
Quote from: Penny Lane on Jul 06, 2011, 12:30 PM
and lay off your sister, these things are cute! (or are they?)
(http://www.akc.org/images/breeds/portuguese_water_dog/lg_artwork.jpg)
3 words sum up those dogs for me (at least the pure breeds)
REALLY DUMB
Sharp. Raaaazor sharp
Quote from: e_wind on Jul 06, 2011, 12:42 PM
Gonna have to agree with Tracy here, people are really throwing the word "justice" around far too much after this trial. The whole thing was a media scheme, that worked, and now everyones riled up. The fact is, that even on a more reasonable scale, "injustice" happens everyday, but when the media gets involved, people are ready to lose it. I can't tell you how many status updates I saw yesterday about people loosing faith in the american justice system. Yet if you drive to downtown Louisville, cops are hassling people on the streets who are simply walking around, falsly searching them, and sending them to jail for having one hit of meth on them. Where's the justice for them? Give me a break, this isn't injustice, this is a case thats probably happened a million times over, but since its a young girl and her young daughter, its interesting enough for everyone to get involved and feel upset. The true injustice is how much this tragedy became hyped up as if we were watching a game show. The plain and simple facts are that this girl has no conclusive evidence against her and no matter how much you hate her because of her lies, she does not deserve jail with out evidence. No one wants to see more innocent people locked up, then released 10 years later.
Right on brother
She does not deserve jail no. What she deserves is what she is going to get. Being shunned by the rest of her family and the public world. She may be free, and she may cash in bigtime selling the story, but she'll never be close to anyone and the public will hate her and wish her dead for the rest of her days.