On the drive back from Boston, I was reflecting on the best concert experiences I've had. I came to the conclusion that ALL of my favorite concerts happened in AWESOME venues. Venues with great sound, great sightlines and minimal hassles with bathrooms and beer lines.
I've been to enjoyable shows at less-than-desirable venues. But they could have been AMAZING shows if the venue was right. (NYE at Agganis for example)
I submit that it is impossible to have an AMAZING show at a shitty venue. An enjoyable evening, yes. But is it possible to have one of those life-changing, "oh MAN!"-type shows at a venue where the sound is crap, the lines are huge and you have to fight for your spot every second of the show?
it greatly impacts it. My favorite shows ever:
red rocks 11
red rocks 12 1 and 2
cap theater 1, 2, 3
Forecastle
Chicago 10
st. louis 11
all fantastic venues, with the exception of maybe Forecastle.
I think Forecastle is an awesome venue. The stage could be slightly bigger, but I really loved it. Maybe I haven't been to really amazing venues yet, but that was a great one imo.
I'd agree that Forecastle was a great venue. As festivals go, Forecastle + Roll Call was heaven! No lines, could easily walk up to a great spot, sound was FANTASTIC and as an added bonus, the crowds were always in great spirits!
I should add that sometimes an AMAZING crowd plus an AMAZING show can make up for a shitty venue. For example, Bonnaroo. That place is practically hell on earth by most definitions (long lines, extreme heat, overcrowding, lots of wackos) but if the band, timeslot and crowd mood is juuuuust right, magic happens. The type of magic where you forget where you are and just have the time of your life.
BUT I would say this is an exception to the rule. More often than not, a shitty venue will DRAG DOWN the crowd, thus making it almost impossible for an AMAZING show to be salvaged.
The venue doesn't affect my enjoyment of the show, maybe just my enjoyment of the time before the show. The performance and the crowd affect it more.
Quote from: oistheone on Jan 08, 2013, 01:40 PM
I submit that it is impossible to have an AMAZING show at a shitty venue.
I submit the Terminal 5 shows to prove that statement wrong.
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Quote from: oistheone on Jan 08, 2013, 01:40 PM
I submit that it is impossible to have an AMAZING show at a shitty venue.
I submit the Terminal 5 shows to prove that statement wrong.
Correctamundo!!!! I've seen great shows at better venues but T5 is still the standard-bearer. They just don't get better. "At least not in my mind."
I still don't know why T5 gets shit on so much, I thought it was a decent venue! The sound was a little shakey, but it was pretty easy to get a good spot, and bar lines weren't brutal. And that rooftop patio thing was sweet! However, I do agree in that it was far from a GREAT venue.
I believe this goes right back to my exception though, in that a stellar crowd can save a great show from being ruined by a below-average venue. The crowds were so far off the hook they were back in the lake. Especially at the shows earlier in the week, it was as if a single non-fan wasn't anywhere near that building. Each person knew exactly when to shut the hell up, when to jump up and dance or when the put that fist up in the air and ROCK!
The venue definitely impacts because it affects the sound which affects the performance. Red Rocks is a near perfect venue and the results in 2011 and especially 2012 show.
generally speaking...a HUGE impact. Exceptions to the rule always exist, my personal exceptions...
MMJ @ T5 and Phish at the Arco Arena in Sacramento (1996)...both terrible, terrible places to see a show and both among the highlights of my musical experiences.
Venues where I have seen MMJ
1. The Greek L.A. Side riser seats are awful, but at least they have video screens. Volume way too low, too many rich people living in the surrounding hills.
2. Pantages Beautiful venue. Way too hot on the balcony. I should have used the tickets on the back row of the floor, that I gave to my son and wife. Wasn't going to make my buddy hang out with one of them.
3. Sant Barbara Bowl The loudest night show I have seen there. A-list facility. Watch a great band, the beach is visible, and the sun goes down.
4. The Gibson L.A. Could be great, but half empty, and buttload of tech problems. Strangest set list I have ever seen. I think it might be one of the shows Jim has referred to as an off night.
5. Wiltern. If ever a band and venue were meant to co-exhist, this is it. Phenomenal venue, great sound. 100% proof that a venue can improve a show.( The band and it's setlist mght make this observation a bit subjective.)
I think venue plays a huge part for the reasons other people have already stated. First and foremost is the sound quality as some smaller venues always seem to have problems with their sound systems. A lot of the larger stadium venues loose the intimate feel and I rarely enjoy those as much. I think places like the fillmore in SF, the Cap, 9:30 in DC usually come to mind when I think of great venues to see shows as they are just the right size for me and the sound is usually spot on.
Best MMJ show I ever saw was at The 40 Watt in 2005, which cannot possibly be known for it's great acoustics. It was hot and smokey and packed and the crowd and the band were ONE. Amazing.
Worst show ever was Ryan Adams at The Ryman, which is known for it's acoustics and holiness. And the show sucked ass.
When I read the title of this thread the first show I thought of was that show at the 40 Watt. I would rather see a band at The Pilot Light in Knoxvile as opposed to Madison Square Garden 10 out of 10 times....it's just not always in the cards. The reason I LOVE live music has to do with sweaty, smoke, beer, tension, noise, passion,...intamacy...more stuff you can't always explain...
When you seek it out and it answers back, it's pretty powerful.
IT...still moves :kiss:
Quote from: sweatboard on Jan 08, 2013, 11:16 PM
When I read the title of this thread the first show I thought of was that show at the 40 Watt.
LA and I were listening to Magheetah from that show, the opening, and I still get goose bumps listening to everyone singing and still feeling the the crowd's energy surge in certain places. In fact, I am getting goose bumps typing about those goose bumps!
It really depends what you consider a good venue. Some might think a good venue is one with great acoustics. Some might argue that a good venue is a place that has excellent energy/history. With that being said I have seen MMJ at venues that have amazing acoustics, and venues that just evoke amazing energy. My favorite MMJ venues are.
1) Radio City (great acoustics and perfect venue for MMJ. One of my top 3 favorite venues in NYC)
2) MSG (Does not have the best acoustics but IMO, nothing can top a great show at MSG.)
3) The Gorge (Beautiful scenery and notorious for one of the best venues in the country)
4) Bonnaroo (The main stage at ROO is shadily one of the best sounding stages out there. With the exception of the first few bars of VD at ROO 11', the sound was spot on)
5) Red Rocks (Between the scenery, history, and energy, it is undoubtedly the best venue out there)
6) Capital Theatre (Amazing history and great sound. The fact that it is 40 minutes outside of NYC brings it down a few notches)
In general, I think the venue quality makes for a better concert experience. Seeing the Grateful Dead at the Henry J Kaiser in Oakland, The Frost Amphitheatre at Stanford, The Greek in Berkeley, Compton Terrace in Phoenix, etc etc was wonderful compared to seeing them at the basketball arenas. I always looked forward to those shows in the "special" venues and often went in just a little more excited, a little more primed to have a great time.
But I've also seen some of the best rock 'n' roll ever in divey, dark, dirty clubs like The Channel in Boston (Georgia Satellites in 1987, a beer-spillin', sweaty, crowded rock 'n' roll throwdown) or at weird places not designed for music (SRV at the rodeo grounds in Pueblo, CO in 1986).
I think the overridding thing about what makes great rock shows great is the passion and energy of the band along with the passion and energy of the crowd. When those two things are happening, its gonna be great. That can happen anywhere, but being in a great venue might sometimes put both band and fans in a frame of mind that is conducive to a great musical event.
Some of my favorite venues:
The Fillmore in SF (they do such a good job at giving the fan a great experience, its almost like you are in a sanctuary where The Man cannot touch you as long as you don't hurt anyone else)
The Great American Music Hall in SF is like a tiny, fancier version of the Fillmore. Its my all time favorite venue I've ever been to.
The Ryman in Nashville - such great sound and history, I can't help thinking about all the greats that stood on that very stage when I'm seeing one of my faves there.
The Wiltern is pretty sweet with its gentle tiers of standing GA floor and a rail for each tier. 2nd tier dead center puts you at eye level with the band right in the sweet spot for sound, perfect!
I'm looking forward to seeing the Black Crowes at the Vic in Chicago this spring, I think its gonna be a good venue.
Brooklyn was perhaps the wost concert I've ever seen. And it had NOTHING to do with the band.
Quote from: el_chode on Jan 09, 2013, 09:43 PM
Brooklyn was perhaps the wost concert I've ever seen. And it had NOTHING to do with the band.
couldn't agree more, and it was a hometown show for me.
"The Wiltern is pretty sweet with its gentle tiers of standing GA floor and a rail for each tier. 2nd tier dead center puts you at eye level with the band right in the sweet spot for sound, perfect!" I kind of regret not sharing that amazing spot with you guys, but first night was in the pit, kept my beer on the stage right in front of Jim, blew my ears out. The next two nights I sat back on the bar stools, with ear plugs, went into the pit for some of it. Your spot was the best vantage point I have ever seen for any show. I was told by my doctor not to stand for 4 hours 3 nights in a row.Had just had minor surgery on my leg.
I've seen MMJ five times in Toronto and MOF once. Venue et. al and set lists mean everything.
MMJ at the Kool Haus was hit and miss because the venue is arguably worst in the city.
The other MMJ gigs were great.
MOF at Massey Hall was memorable and the historic venue and legendary acoustics amplified a good show to near greatness.
I think it has a major impact. especially when it's GA because i'm 5"3 and always go to shows where its mostly guys and they always have to be tall!!!
In NYC to me the very best is Town Hall, followed by Radio City.
The Wellmont in Northern NJ is pretty sweet as well. GA downstairs and seats upstairs.
The 9:30 Club is one of the coolest spots in the country for sure.
and I have been pleasantly surprised since I moved to Louisville at how awesome Headliners is!!! it's small and some really great bands come through. The Palace is pretty sweet as well!!!
Quote from: rincon2 on Jan 10, 2013, 09:09 AM
"The Wiltern is pretty sweet with its gentle tiers of standing GA floor and a rail for each tier. 2nd tier dead center puts you at eye level with the band right in the sweet spot for sound, perfect!" I kind of regret not sharing that amazing spot with you guys, but first night was in the pit, kept my beer on the stage right in front of Jim, blew my ears out. The next two nights I sat back on the bar stools, with ear plugs, went into the pit for some of it. Your spot was the best vantage point I have ever seen for any show. I was told by my doctor not to stand for 4 hours 3 nights in a row.Had just had minor surgery on my leg.
I understand, rincon, its takes a lot to stand that long all those nights. We sure could've used a bigger group of fans up there to "protect" the space, though. First night some cool kids we made friends with stood behind us and kept latecomers from trying to shove their way upfront, which was awesome, we were totally relaxed all night. 2nd and 3rd nights we had to be more vigilant to keep the latecomers from trying to squeeze in which was a bit distracting. Next time, let's all coordinate and take that rail en masse. The sweet spot goes to those who wait in line for hours!
Venue is important to me, but the people surrounding me are even more important. During the At Dawn show at T5, some assbutts came in late and stood RIGHT in front of me and a few others (I remember capn being close by). It totally ruined the show for me until Just Because I Do when they moved to somewhere else.
At PC night 3, I was surrounded by some awesome dudes a few people rows behind the forum crew. Those guys were fun. Perfect level of enthusiasm, bordering on slightly over-the-top, but just under. Combine that with the crazy energy setlist and it was probably my favorite show ever. We hugged when it was over.
The first time I saw the band was at Pritzker Pavilion (Chicago) this past summer. I had lawn, and struggled to see the stage at all for much of the night (as anyone who attended and also had lawn will tell you). We got in line for beer around the time Band of Horses took the stage, and stayed there for their entire set.
I had an amazing show despite the venue. The skyline backdrop on a warm summer night probably rectified some of the shortcomings I mentioned.
The Port Chester shows were at an outstanding venue and added to what already would have been three memorable shows.
I guess the ideal place to see a show is either an outdoor amphitheater (eg Alpine Valley), or the cozy indoor venue (Capitol Theatre, Chicago Theatre, etc.). Arenas are definitely less conducive towards a good show. I hate seeing a show at the United Center or Allstate Arena here in Chicago.
Quote from: WinstonLegthigh on Jan 10, 2013, 03:02 PM
The first time I saw the band was at Pritzker Pavilion (Chicago) this past summer. I had lawn, and struggled to see the stage at all for much of the night (as anyone who attended and also had lawn will tell you). We got in line for beer around the time Band of Horses took the stage, and stayed there for their entire set.
I had an amazing show despite the venue. The skyline backdrop on a warm summer night probably rectified some of the shortcomings I mentioned.
The Port Chester shows were at an outstanding venue and added to what already would have been three memorable shows.
I guess the ideal place to see a show is either an outdoor amphitheater (eg Alpine Valley), or the cozy indoor venue (Capitol Theatre, Chicago Theatre, etc.). Arenas are definitely less conducive towards a good show. I hate seeing a show at the United Center or Allstate Arena here in Chicago.
For me the early curfew really restricted what MMJ could play. I wasn't that big of a fan of Pritzker Pavillion. The venue is gorgeous and to be outside near the lake was great, but yeah the long beer lines, the bass was up way too high, and the curfew kinda bummed me out.
I loved the Chicago Theatre shows, Chicago Auditorium was amazing! I even liked the Northerly Island show they did by old Meigs Field.
Even though I know it won't happen, I would love to see Jim James solo tour at Schuba's. I know the size isn't big enough but I love shows there. Lincoln Hall, Chicago Theatre, Chicago Auditorium, or the Vic seems likely.
CHIMMJFAN
I liked the Pritzker, but I had a great seat in the pavillion, and I don't drink beer!! :bath:
the lines were ridiculous! it was just a beautiful setting there and a walk from my hotel and it was my first time ever in Chicago...so I had a great experience.
just seeing pictures of that place and knowing MMJ and Band of Horses were playing there prompted the trip to begin with!
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Quote from: WinstonLegthigh on Jan 10, 2013, 03:02 PM
The first time I saw the band was at Pritzker Pavilion (Chicago) this past summer. I had lawn, and struggled to see the stage at all for much of the night (as anyone who attended and also had lawn will tell you). We got in line for beer around the time Band of Horses took the stage, and stayed there for their entire set.
I had an amazing show despite the venue. The skyline backdrop on a warm summer night probably rectified some of the shortcomings I mentioned.
The Port Chester shows were at an outstanding venue and added to what already would have been three memorable shows.
I guess the ideal place to see a show is either an outdoor amphitheater (eg Alpine Valley), or the cozy indoor venue (Capitol Theatre, Chicago Theatre, etc.). Arenas are definitely less conducive towards a good show. I hate seeing a show at the United Center or Allstate Arena here in Chicago.
For me the early curfew really restricted what MMJ could play. I wasn't that big of a fan of Pritzker Pavillion. The venue is gorgeous and to be outside near the lake was great, but yeah the long beer lines, the bass was up way too high, and the curfew kinda bummed me out.
I loved the Chicago Theatre shows, Chicago Auditorium was amazing! I even liked the Northerly Island show they did by old Meigs Field.
Even though I know it won't happen, I would love to see Jim James solo tour at Schuba's. I know the size isn't big enough but I love shows there. Lincoln Hall, Chicago Theatre, Chicago Auditorium, or the Vic seems likely.
CHIMMJFAN
The ridiculous beer lines at Pritzker impacted me more than anything :beer:
It is a great place to see a show if your in the Pavilion. I noticed when I was on the side of the stage though it sounded like they were in a tin can because of the structure. The best sound hands down in the city is the Auditorium IMO. I concur WinstonLegthigh about the United Center and Allstate arena. The AKOO Rosemont Theater is pretty decent venue for a Jim solo show or even Patten Gymnasium at Northwestern would be cool. I saw MMJ & New Pornographers with Stephen Malkmus their.
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Quote from: WinstonLegthigh on Jan 10, 2013, 03:02 PM
The first time I saw the band was at Pritzker Pavilion (Chicago) this past summer. I had lawn, and struggled to see the stage at all for much of the night (as anyone who attended and also had lawn will tell you). We got in line for beer around the time Band of Horses took the stage, and stayed there for their entire set.
I had an amazing show despite the venue. The skyline backdrop on a warm summer night probably rectified some of the shortcomings I mentioned.
The Port Chester shows were at an outstanding venue and added to what already would have been three memorable shows.
I guess the ideal place to see a show is either an outdoor amphitheater (eg Alpine Valley), or the cozy indoor venue (Capitol Theatre, Chicago Theatre, etc.). Arenas are definitely less conducive towards a good show. I hate seeing a show at the United Center or Allstate Arena here in Chicago.
For me the early curfew really restricted what MMJ could play. I wasn't that big of a fan of Pritzker Pavillion. The venue is gorgeous and to be outside near the lake was great, but yeah the long beer lines, the bass was up way too high, and the curfew kinda bummed me out.
I loved the Chicago Theatre shows, Chicago Auditorium was amazing! I even liked the Northerly Island show they did by old Meigs Field.
Even though I know it won't happen, I would love to see Jim James solo tour at Schuba's. I know the size isn't big enough but I love shows there. Lincoln Hall, Chicago Theatre, Chicago Auditorium, or the Vic seems likely.
CHIMMJFAN
The ridiculous beer lines at Pritzker impacted me more than anything :beer:
It is a great place to see a show if your in the Pavilion. I noticed when I was on the side of the stage though it sounded like they were in a tin can because of the structure. The best sound hands down in the city is the Auditorium IMO. I concur WinstonLegthigh about the United Center and Allstate arena. The AKOO Rosemont Theater is pretty decent venue for a Jim solo show or even Patten Gymnasium at Northwestern would be cool. I saw MMJ & New Pornographers with Stephen Malkmus their.
Damn was that the Patten Gymnasium show with the "Dondante" version that started off with Carl on the sax? Hands down one of my favorite "Dondate's!"
CHIMMJFAN
At the back of the Wiltern where there were about 14 bar tables with two chairs each, the crowd was surreal. I went to night 2 with my 22 year old son who is into very hardcore punk. He was amazed at how nice everyone was. He let an 8 month pregnant lady sit in his chair for 5 songs, and her husband bought us 2 beers, a sizable investment. They soon left, she felt 'pregnant'? The next night I took my only friend that has been bitten by the bug. I took him to the rail where Shug was. He said let's stay here. I said wait, lets check out the pit, then the back. He saw those barstools, sat down, and said "I found my spot". He was amazed at how the crowd was. The friendliest bunch of strangers I have ever seen. He totally tripped, especially when I introduced him to a few people from this forum. he said, "I got to get into that internet shit." He had the same experience with me at the Pantages show, and New Multitudes. He said he will never turn down a show I offer to take him to. I got Mike Cooley tickets for next month. his mind may get blown again.
I NEED to visit The Capital and The Wiltern
Quote from: sweatboard on Jan 10, 2013, 11:53 PM
I NEED to visit The Capital and The Wiltern
If they ever play the Wiltern again, and you are a Roll Call member, YOU HAVE TO GO. Roll Call members get in first, and they only give like 200 wrist bands for the pit. First come first served, and not all of the wrist band wearers stay in the pit, so it is loose, and maneuverable. You can worm your way to the stage, watch a few songs, then retreat, only to return again if you wish. That is how I got my beer to rest on the stage in front of Jim. For those who have not seen it...My Morning Jacket Lay Low solo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDuy746a3WU#ws) My iPhone handled that noise better than my ears did!
hahaha....holy shit!! That's IT!!!!
Quote from: sweatboard on Jan 11, 2013, 12:32 AM
hahaha....holy shit!! That's IT!!!!
My single greatest highlight of several hundred concerts over 35 years. :thumbsup:. Started at Cal jam II in 1978. And I got (IMHO) the best part of all three nights at the Wiltern, on video.
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Brooklyn was perhaps the wost concert I've ever seen. And it had NOTHING to do with the band.
couldn't agree more, and it was a hometown show for me.
I'll third this. The venue was meh and the show talkers killed me!
Vanderbilt's Memorial gym was a terrible venue for sound, but then the band played the shit out of that show and the weird sound did something unfuckingbelievable to Dondante. Unfortunately, we'll never get to here that again because they wouldn't let the taper in and the band won't release it.
Quote from: rincon2 on Jan 11, 2013, 12:15 AM
You can worm your way to the stage, watch a few songs, then retreat, only to return again if you wish.
Not on my watch, brother! Stand firm! :evil:
:beer:
Don't mess with vespachick! :grin: :thumbsup:
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You can worm your way to the stage, watch a few songs, then retreat, only to return again if you wish.
Not on my watch, brother! Stand firm! :evil:
:beer:
The ones who never left kept my spot. Plus, like I said, it was loose, meaning not crowded. Very peaceful and mellow crowd. (Vespachick, Erik, Exist10z, pointed you out to me in the line for night two at the Wiltern. I was going to introduce myself, but you were involved in conversation).
i have to to assume this is a rhetorical question????
Capitol Theatre is simply the best place you will see ANY band.
If the sound sucks, like the Electric Factory in Philly it can ruin a show. I saw the Afghan Whigs there last summer and the sound was so muddy it just killed the vibe.
Quote from: rincon2 on Jan 08, 2013, 07:25 PM
Venues where I have seen MMJ
1. The Greek L.A. Side riser seats are awful, but at least they have video screens. Volume way too low, too many rich people living in the surrounding hills.
2. Pantages Beautiful venue. Way too hot on the balcony. I should have used the tickets on the back row of the floor, that I gave to my son and wife. Wasn't going to make my buddy hang out with one of them.
3. Sant Barbara Bowl The loudest night show I have seen there. A-list facility. Watch a great band, the beach is visible, and the sun goes down.
4. The Gibson L.A. Could be great, but half empty, and buttload of tech problems. Strangest set list I have ever seen. I think it might be one of the shows Jim has referred to as an off night.
5. Wiltern. If ever a band and venue were meant to co-exhist, this is it. Phenomenal venue, great sound. 100% proof that a venue can improve a show.( The band and it's setlist mght make this observation a bit subjective.)
Great LA breakdown of venues. The second level rail spot at the Wiltern one of my best spots ever as far as connecting with the music!
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The second level rail spot at the Wiltern one of my best spots ever as far as connecting with the music!
my go-to spot at the wiltern as well.
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The second level rail spot at the Wiltern one of my best spots ever as far as connecting with the music!
my go-to spot at the wiltern as well.
Now everybody's going to go there! :wink:
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The second level rail spot at the Wiltern one of my best spots ever as far as connecting with the music!
my go-to spot at the wiltern as well.
I agree! Although the pit is pretty good too.
Im not entirely decided on if it is indeed the venue that could impact the show or not.
Last year, I seen Dr. Dog at War Memorial Auditorium in Nashville. I was in the front row and the sound was terrible. You couldn't make out much of their lyrics although they put on a good show. Every MMJ show I've been to has been in the front row and its amazing.
I seen Jack White front row at Track 29 in Chattanooga and was one of the best shows of the year. I then seen him for night one at the Ryman and I wasn't a fan of it, but I was seated mid-floor. However, the best show that I've ever seen was the Fleet Foxes at the Ryman!
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The second level rail spot at the Wiltern one of my best spots ever as far as connecting with the music!
my go-to spot at the wiltern as well.
Now everybody's going to go there! :wink:
That's a good thing. Jacket Forum Assholes need to totally own that spot and not let any jerks who didn't wait in line for hours try to shove their way in partway through the show. Power in numbers!
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The second level rail spot at the Wiltern one of my best spots ever as far as connecting with the music!
my go-to spot at the wiltern as well.
Now everybody's going to go there! :wink:
That's a good thing. Jacket Forum Assholes need to totally own that spot and not let any jerks who didn't wait in line for hours try to shove their way in partway through the show. Power in numbers!
I hear that! Y'all shoulda seen mr. and mrs. headhunter go to town on an unfortunate girl who tried such a thing at Port Chester.
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The second level rail spot at the Wiltern one of my best spots ever as far as connecting with the music!
my go-to spot at the wiltern as well.
Now everybody's going to go there! :wink:
That's a good thing. Jacket Forum Assholes need to totally own that spot and not let any jerks who didn't wait in line for hours try to shove their way in partway through the show. Power in numbers!
I hear that! Y'all shoulda seen mr. and mrs. headhunter go to town on an unfortunate girl who tried such a thing at Port Chester.
"Excuse me, do
NOT put your hands on my husband.."
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The second level rail spot at the Wiltern one of my best spots ever as far as connecting with the music!
my go-to spot at the wiltern as well.
Now everybody's going to go there! :wink:
That's a good thing. Jacket Forum Assholes need to totally own that spot and not let any jerks who didn't wait in line for hours try to shove their way in partway through the show. Power in numbers!
I hear that! Y'all shoulda seen mr. and mrs. headhunter go to town on an unfortunate girl who tried such a thing at Port Chester.
"Excuse me, do NOT put your hands on my husband.."
:grin:
Then there was the "I will kick your motherfucking ASS!" part. :shocked:
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The second level rail spot at the Wiltern one of my best spots ever as far as connecting with the music!
my go-to spot at the wiltern as well.
Now everybody's going to go there! :wink:
That's a good thing. Jacket Forum Assholes need to totally own that spot and not let any jerks who didn't wait in line for hours try to shove their way in partway through the show. Power in numbers!
I hear that! Y'all shoulda seen mr. and mrs. headhunter go to town on an unfortunate girl who tried such a thing at Port Chester.
"Excuse me, do NOT put your hands on my husband.."
Oh yeah, that Mrs. HH is not just another pretty face.
If any of you good looking ladies out there want to put your hands on her husband, just ask her permission first!
:shocked: :evil: :cheesy: :shocked:
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The second level rail spot at the Wiltern one of my best spots ever as far as connecting with the music!
my go-to spot at the wiltern as well.
Now everybody's going to go there! :wink:
That's a good thing. Jacket Forum Assholes need to totally own that spot and not let any jerks who didn't wait in line for hours try to shove their way in partway through the show. Power in numbers!
I hear that! Y'all shoulda seen mr. and mrs. headhunter go to town on an unfortunate girl who tried such a thing at Port Chester.
"Excuse me, do NOT put your hands on my husband.."
Oh yeah, that Mrs. HH is not just another pretty face.
If any of you good looking ladies out there want to put your hands on her husband, just ask her permission first!
:shocked: :evil: :cheesy: :shocked:
:grin: Haldon also layed a verbal smackdown on someone!
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Quote from: walterfredo on Jan 14, 2013, 12:50 PM
Quote from: My Morning Tube top on Jan 14, 2013, 10:59 AM
The second level rail spot at the Wiltern one of my best spots ever as far as connecting with the music!
my go-to spot at the wiltern as well.
Now everybody's going to go there! :wink:
That's a good thing. Jacket Forum Assholes need to totally own that spot and not let any jerks who didn't wait in line for hours try to shove their way in partway through the show. Power in numbers!
I hear that! Y'all shoulda seen mr. and mrs. headhunter go to town on an unfortunate girl who tried such a thing at Port Chester.
"Excuse me, do NOT put your hands on my husband.."
Oh yeah, that Mrs. HH is not just another pretty face.
If any of you good looking ladies out there want to put your hands on her husband, just ask her permission first!
:shocked: :evil: :cheesy: :shocked:
:grin: Haldon also layed a verbal smackdown on someone!
mahg33ta's comment to the the girl from MSG was my favorite smackdown.
Having an over-the-top show starts with the venue, but for me there are so many other variables that play into it. I can think of 3 shows where EVERYTHING was near if not perfect for me. My best experiences have been at the Fillmore in San Fran. The venue itself has so much history that you believe you are going back in time the minute you walk into the place. The photos of artists who played there in the past along with their concert posters decorating the walls, one could literally spend hours just walking around taking in all that history! I was so mesmerized the first time I went there and boy, if the walls could talk.....You are greeted by cool people who really want you there.....Their signature of giving out apples as you enter and free limited music posters at the end of the show is another thing that definitely sets this place a part for me. My experience seeing The Black Crowes on several runs is most people are on the same page and want the same experience. You rarely see security unless they have to make their presence known. And security does not hassle anyone if they want to openly smoke. Having good vibes, good people around on the same page, not feeling like security is watching you, abundance of musical history, and great music experiences with a band you love, makes this place one of my all time favorites. I am hoping the Crowes will play there at the end of 2013 and I would like to see MMJ play there again!!!
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Brooklyn was perhaps the wost concert I've ever seen. And it had NOTHING to do with the band.
couldn't agree more, and it was a hometown show for me.
totally agree. standing on blue asphalt that I surmise covers a former toxic waste site does not make for a decent vibe.
hugely contrasted with other outdoor venues like Mann Center and MPP.
Hey Jacket - how's about SPAC is Saratoga Springs this Summer?????
Quote from: LD on Jan 15, 2013, 05:51 PM
My best experiences have been at the Fillmore in San Fran.
The Fillmore is great. It's so comfortable and easy to get to. Love the free posters!
And (sounding like a broken record :smiley:) my favorite medium sized Bay Area venue is the Fox Theater in Oakland. It's gorgeous, the main floor is tiered like the Wiltern, there are many bars with no lines, clean bathrooms etc.
MMJ 3 NIGHTS AT THE FOX NEXT FALL!!! On a weekend please. :thumbsup:
Man, I'd love for them to come back to State Theatre In Portland, ME. 2010 was such a great show and I really dig the joint. GA floor, tiered. GA seats behind and in the balcony. Bars with great view of the show. I've also seen DBT and M. Ward there. A sweet little venue.
Quote from: johnnYYac on Jan 15, 2013, 10:24 PM
Man, I'd love for them to come back to State Theatre In Portland, ME. 2010 was such a great show and I really dig the joint. GA floor, tiered. GA seats behind and in the balcony. Bars with great view of the show. I've also seen DBT and M. Ward there. A sweet little venue.
DBT? Just finished watching Secret to a Happy Ending about 10 minutes ago.
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I hear that! Y'all shoulda seen mr. and mrs. headhunter go to town on an unfortunate girl who tried such a thing at Port Chester.
"Excuse me, do NOT put your hands on my husband.."
Oh yeah, that Mrs. HH is not just another pretty face.
If any of you good looking ladies out there want to put your hands on her husband, just ask her permission first!
:shocked: :evil: :cheesy: :shocked:
:grin: Haldon also layed a verbal smackdown on someone!
mahg33ta's comment to the the girl from MSG was my favorite smackdown.
Mrs. Headhunter going off on that woman at PC was a thing of beauty for sure.
My dear Flake also had a great one with his response to the very drunk woman trying to schmooze her way onto the rail at PC: "Don't make eye contact with me, I'm not engaging with you."
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Quote from: Crispy on Jan 15, 2013, 11:58 AM
I hear that! Y'all shoulda seen mr. and mrs. headhunter go to town on an unfortunate girl who tried such a thing at Port Chester.
"Excuse me, do NOT put your hands on my husband.."
Oh yeah, that Mrs. HH is not just another pretty face.
If any of you good looking ladies out there want to put your hands on her husband, just ask her permission first!
:shocked: :evil: :cheesy: :shocked:
:grin: Haldon also layed a verbal smackdown on someone!
mahg33ta's comment to the the girl from MSG was my favorite smackdown.
Mrs. Headhunter going off on that woman at PC was a thing of beauty for sure.
My dear Flake also had a great one with his response to the very drunk woman trying to schmooze her way onto the rail at PC: "Don't make eye contact with me, I'm not engaging with you."
I'd also like to add our very own Sassbox while on the rail in Asbury telling that pain in the ass chick behind us " DON'T F**KNG TOUCH ME"! Classic! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: MrWhippy on Jan 16, 2013, 06:57 AM
Quote from: Fully on Jan 15, 2013, 04:18 PM
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Quote from: Penny Lane on Jan 15, 2013, 12:26 PM
Quote from: Crispy on Jan 15, 2013, 11:58 AM
I hear that! Y'all shoulda seen mr. and mrs. headhunter go to town on an unfortunate girl who tried such a thing at Port Chester.
"Excuse me, do NOT put your hands on my husband.."
Oh yeah, that Mrs. HH is not just another pretty face.
If any of you good looking ladies out there want to put your hands on her husband, just ask her permission first!
:shocked: :evil: :cheesy: :shocked:
:grin: Haldon also layed a verbal smackdown on someone!
mahg33ta's comment to the the girl from MSG was my favorite smackdown.
Mrs. Headhunter going off on that woman at PC was a thing of beauty for sure.
My dear Flake also had a great one with his response to the very drunk woman trying to schmooze her way onto the rail at PC: "Don't make eye contact with me, I'm not engaging with you."
i'm very proud of all of you..Flake with the politcally correct smackdown.
But yes, Val's rant to hat girl was the most abusive (and called for) and Kyle's comment to hat girl was the best non-chalant and sincere smackdown ever "anyone but you"
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Quote from: johnnYYac on Jan 15, 2013, 10:24 PM
Man, I'd love for them to come back to State Theatre In Portland, ME. 2010 was such a great show and I really dig the joint. GA floor, tiered. GA seats behind and in the balcony. Bars with great view of the show. I've also seen DBT and M. Ward there. A sweet little venue.
DBT? Just finished watching Secret to a Happy Ending about 10 minutes ago.
they're coming back to Portland, JY!! (March 9th--it's a SAT~!)
Quote from: Penny Lane on Jan 16, 2013, 09:53 AM
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Quote from: headhunter on Jan 15, 2013, 12:34 PM
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Quote from: Crispy on Jan 15, 2013, 11:58 AM
I hear that! Y'all shoulda seen mr. and mrs. headhunter go to town on an unfortunate girl who tried such a thing at Port Chester.
"Excuse me, do NOT put your hands on my husband.."
Oh yeah, that Mrs. HH is not just another pretty face.
If any of you good looking ladies out there want to put your hands on her husband, just ask her permission first!
:shocked: :evil: :cheesy: :shocked:
:grin: Haldon also layed a verbal smackdown on someone!
mahg33ta's comment to the the girl from MSG was my favorite smackdown.
Mrs. Headhunter going off on that woman at PC was a thing of beauty for sure.
My dear Flake also had a great one with his response to the very drunk woman trying to schmooze her way onto the rail at PC: "Don't make eye contact with me, I'm not engaging with you."
i'm very proud of all of you..Flake with the politcally correct smackdown.
But yes, Val's rant to hat girl was the most abusive (and called for) and Kyle's comment to hat girl was the best non-chalant and sincere smackdown ever "anyone but you"
That was not a situation I wanted to be in. I don't like that we as a group could possibly be getting a reputation as being an unfriendly. The hat girl did a full body lean on top of me and I had to defend myself, my body.
On a pre show side note: I feel that how we as a group handle being in line also affects how others (forum members we know, forum members we do not know and other fans) view us as a whole. A few of the nights at PC, forum members I know and love cut right up in the line. We had sharpied numbers on everyone in line to be fair, including those who cut. You all cut while talking to forum folks so it looked like to all those behind you that it was cool. It wasn't cool. Sorry had to be said...
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Quote from: Fully on Jan 15, 2013, 04:18 PM
Quote from: FiddleCastro on Jan 15, 2013, 03:08 PM
Quote from: headhunter on Jan 15, 2013, 12:34 PM
Quote from: Penny Lane on Jan 15, 2013, 12:26 PM
Quote from: Crispy on Jan 15, 2013, 11:58 AM
I hear that! Y'all shoulda seen mr. and mrs. headhunter go to town on an unfortunate girl who tried such a thing at Port Chester.
"Excuse me, do NOT put your hands on my husband.."
Oh yeah, that Mrs. HH is not just another pretty face.
If any of you good looking ladies out there want to put your hands on her husband, just ask her permission first!
:shocked: :evil: :cheesy: :shocked:
:grin: Haldon also layed a verbal smackdown on someone!
mahg33ta's comment to the the girl from MSG was my favorite smackdown.
Mrs. Headhunter going off on that woman at PC was a thing of beauty for sure.
My dear Flake also had a great one with his response to the very drunk woman trying to schmooze her way onto the rail at PC: "Don't make eye contact with me, I'm not engaging with you."
Flake is the most asshole of the non-asshole spouses!! I love me some Flake! I declare Flake an honorary asshole! :thumbsup:
When i saw MMJ at the Paramount in Seattle the sound was simply perfect. I didn't leave with horrible ringing ears, and i could hear every instrument perfectly. My point i believe is that with a band like MMJ they are going to make the worst acoustics sound great and the best acoustics sound out of this world. I was disappointed with the acoustics at another show at the Paramount about week later. I think it comes down to the quality of the music and band that truly make a show revolutionary. and Red Rocks oh Red Rocks. My favorite moment was when i opened my eyes and turned around and just watched the sea of people having the most brilliant time of their life. Such an infectious feeling MMJ brings to the stage. And my friend Pat called the opening song the second Red Rocks night, that was awesome! AT DAWN!
Having access to water during a show definitely impacts the quality of the show for me. Due to general weakness and possibly bad genes (damn you parents) I have a really awful time if I can't keep water with me and some venues are horrible about it (in Europe at least).
Most venues that I've been to here will offer water in plastic cups, which kind of works if you get to the rail and can set them down by your feet, but not if you're in the middle of the crowd, since it makes it hard to dance and clap without spilling it all.
At Roundhouse in London they sold water bottles without a cap, unless you paid extra or showed them your boobs. This experience started elaborate smuggling of caps in different sizes, which has worked well several times (mwahaha!). The Roundhouse also made me promise that I wasn't going to throw the bottle at the band (which I totally was, mwahaha again!).
At Münchenbryggeriet in Stockholm they had no plastic cups nor water bottles, but slightly expensive 33cl cans of water, worked okay. Best experience so far has been The Capitol and Agganis though, they were absolutely lovely in offering water bottles with caps and without any demands for money or boobs in exchange, much appreciated!
Quote from: Fully on Jan 11, 2013, 11:12 AM
Vanderbilt's Memorial gym was a terrible venue for sound, but then the band played the shit out of that show and the weird sound did something unfuckingbelievable to Dondante. Unfortunately, we'll never get to here that again because they wouldn't let the taper in and the band won't release it.
Yeah, I was quite unhappy. Had to walk all the way back to the parking deck :angry: