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Title: Jeff Buckley
Post by: e_wind on Sep 28, 2013, 12:34 PM
This dude is my current obsession and I can't tell you why. The first thing I heard that was blowing my mind was his cover of I Shall Be Released on Pandora. His voice is incredible. Then I saw the video of him alone doing Hallelujah. HOLY SHIT. Then I started listening to his original shit after reading about his "self-predicted death".... I'm not a huge fan of his songs at all, but I still cant stop listening. His voice is sooo good, and he seems soooo tortured. I can listen and actively acknowledge that I don't like the song-writing very much, but I can't turn it off. I want to be his psychiatrist or something.
He looks like James Franco, he sings like an angelic version of Thom Yorke, and he can tear up a guitar. Too bad he wasn't around long.


This is seriously one of my favorite videos ever:
Jeff Buckley - Hallelujah (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8AWFf7EAc4#)

This cover is really good too:
"I shall be released" - Bob Dylan covered by Jeff Buckley (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOJ8M6LHQls#ws)

And this is pretty good:
Jeff Buckley - So Real & Last Goodbye (Acoustic) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaP7dBYWOIQ#)
Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: APR on Sep 28, 2013, 06:04 PM
What a super talent with an incredible voice.  He did seem tortured.  I remember when Grace came out and my friend played it for me.   I went out and bought it and listened to it a ton.   "Last Goodbye" is one of my all time favorite songs by any artist ever. 

I recommend Grace Around the World, a very good DVD,  to see some good performances and interviews (tortured, sounded a bit out of it sometimes, but 100% caring about his art).  Disc 1 of Sketches for My Sweetheart the Drunk has some great songs, but Grace is top notch....... easily one of the top 5 or 10 albums of the 90s.  Sketches is what Jeff was working on when he died so it's incomplete, but better than nothing.

I was so sad when Jeff Buckley died.  Unfortunately, I never got to see him play.   Of course, Mr. Whippy did a few times and I was a bit jealous when he told me of the shows, tiny venues.

I'll watch those clips you posted.  I'm not sure how you can love it and listen to it so much if you don't like the songs?  However, I have a feeling you'll  grow to like many of the songs/song writing pretty soon.
Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: Waddy Peytona on Sep 28, 2013, 10:21 PM
I think Leonard Cohen has pretty much conceded "Hallelujah" to Jeff Buckley. That's a a testament to his talent.

I remember the several days he was missing in the water and thinking how agonizing that must have been for his mother. How do you recover from something like that?
Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: weeniebeenie on Sep 29, 2013, 08:13 AM
Jeff is great. I love, love Dream Brother. It is so good how it builds and builds. All his songs are great though. That's just the one that always pops into my head. And I love the covers; Be Your Husband, Night Flight, If You Knew etc.
Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: wolof7 on Sep 29, 2013, 08:22 AM
Mr. Whippy saw Jeff Buckley?!? I'm gonna need him to give me a summation of those shows!

I got into Jeff in high school. Such an amazing talent. I agree that the first disc of Sketches is worthy. I can't remember the second disc at all. Mystery White Boy and Live at Sine' are must haves for any fan. He a musician who stays with you.
Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: CC on Sep 29, 2013, 08:52 AM
Saw him twice in 1995.. at the Rock Werchter festival and in Nighttown, Rotterdam. That Nighttown show is still one of my favorite shows ever. He played almost all of Grace and covers of Big Star and Bob Dylan. He ended with Hallelujah which was just breathtaking. My passion for music really started that night.  Before that show I was only seeing Simple Minds and U2 arena shows.. after that show I only went to small clubs and discovered bands like Sonic Youth, Brainiac, Beck, Oblivians, Elliott Smith... So yeah, that Jeff Buckley show pretty much changed my life.
Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: e_wind on Sep 29, 2013, 05:27 PM
Thats awesome CC. I would, too, like to hear some stories from Whip about the Buckley shows.
Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: Jaimoe on Sep 30, 2013, 09:08 AM
Nothing beats "Mojo Pin". Fucking rock and roll!!
Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: MrWhippy on Sep 30, 2013, 05:01 PM
I saw Jeff Buckley a couple of times in the mid 90's.  Once at Noe Valley Ministry, which is a church in San Francisco that had shows on some evenings, and once at the Great American Music Hall in San Francisco.

Both were amazing shows, both his voice and the depth and texture of the music were amazing.  The Mystery White Boy album is a good representation of what the shows I saw were like.  Dream Brother was an incredible song to open a show with, and captured very well on that record.  The long intro he adds to that song is amazing, and little flourishes like the percussive burst of feedback right before the band really kicks in for the first time really speak to the texture and depth I'm talking about in his live performances. 

In fact, some of the Mystery White Boy album is taken from the Great American Music Hall show that I saw.  Another great thing about that record is it has "What Will You Say?" on it, which is a great track that got left off of Grace.  Also, the versions he was doing of Kanga Roo to end shows were crazy and rasied a pretty serious ruckus.  He also turned "Eternal Life" into a much heavier song when played live, as heard on that live album.

I remember being a bit freaked at the Great American Music Hall show because I was a big taper back in those days and recorded that show with some really high quality microphones and a digital audio tape player.  By the time of that show Jeff was really starting to hit it big, and his record company knew they were sitting on a serious star.  They thus had signs up all over the venue about recording being forbidden and warning of serious consequences if being caught.  I had never seen signs like that up at a show before and was a bit scared by them, but not scared enough to not tape it.  I managed to not get caught and my tape turned out pretty well.  I still have it somewhere in a box in the basement.

I guess the other thing I'll add about Jeff Buckley is I literally cried when I heard he had died.  It's hard to even fathom what is career would have been like if he hadn't passed away so young. 


Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: wolof7 on Sep 30, 2013, 06:05 PM
Quote from: MrWhippy on Sep 30, 2013, 05:01 PM
I saw Jeff Buckley a couple of times in the mid 90's.  Once at Noe Valley Ministry, which is a church in San Francisco that had shows on some evenings, and once at the Great American Music Hall in San Francisco.

Both were amazing shows, both his voice and the depth and texture of the music were amazing.  The Mystery White Boy album is a good representation of what the shows I saw were like.  Dream Brother was an incredible song to open a show with, and captured very well on that record.  The long intro he adds to that song is amazing, and little flourishes like the percussive burst of feedback right before the band really kicks in for the first time really speak to the texture and depth I'm talking about in his live performances. 

In fact, some of the Mystery White Boy album is taken from the Great American Music Hall show that I saw.  Another great thing about that record is it has "What Will You Say?" on it, which is a great track that got left off of Grace.  Also, the versions he was doing of Kanga Roo to end shows were crazy and rasied a pretty serious ruckus.  He also turned "Eternal Life" into a much heavier song when played live, as heard on that live album.

I remember being a bit freaked at the Great American Music Hall show because I was a big taper back in those days and recorded that show with some really high quality microphones and a digital audio tape player.  By the time of that show Jeff was really starting to hit it big, and his record company knew they were sitting on a serious star.  They thus had signs up all over the venue about recording being forbidden and warning of serious consequences if being caught.  I had never seen signs like that up at a show before and was a bit scared by them, but not scared enough to not tape it.  I managed to not get caught and my tape turned out pretty well.  I still have it somewhere in a box in the basement.

I guess the other thing I'll add about Jeff Buckley is I literally cried when I heard he had died.  It's hard to even fathom what is career would have been like if he hadn't passed away so young.

Thanks Jon, he was such a huge part of my formative years but a bit before my time to catch live and thus only know a very limited about him and what the live JB experience would be. Grace is easily one of my favorite albums of all-time.
Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: MrWhippy on Sep 30, 2013, 07:24 PM
Yeah, I feel really, really lucky that I was aware of Jeff and in the right place at the right time to have gotten to see him a couple times. 

Have any of you guys into Jeff heard his dad, Tim Buckley?  I knew to check out Jeff pretty early on as I was a fan of Tim and interested when I heard his son was making music. 

Tim was a folk singer who put out a few albums in the late 60's/early 70's.  Like Jeff he had an absoultely incredible voice and a huge vocal range.  Also creepily like Jeff, Tim also died really young.

My favorite Tim Buckley release is a live album called "Dream Letter Live in London 1968".  That album has some of my favorite vocal performances ever.  It's like every line that he sings is an emotional journey in and of itself. 

I think I no longer know how to link videos on the forum, but here are some URLs for songs from Dream Letter that are up on Youtube.

Tim Buckley - I've Been Out Walking (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcp6hSDp3uA#)

Tim Buckley - Dolphins (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMLD9S0sczg#)

Tim Buckley - Once I Was (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYeQNclDFr8#)

Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: CC on Oct 01, 2013, 04:27 AM
Quote from: MrWhippy on Sep 30, 2013, 07:24 PM
My favorite Tim Buckley release is a live album called "Dream Letter Live in London 1968".  That album has some of my favorite vocal performances ever.  It's like every line that he sings is an emotional journey in and of itself. 

Huge fan. So is Jim. One time after a My Morning Jacket show in London we all ended up in the lobby of the hotel.. Jim started dj-ing and at the end of the night he made everybody fall in love with Dream Letter.

"Jim James has that Jeff Buckley quality to him, and it isn't a stretch to say that James brings to Newport what Tim Buckley brought to Newport in 1968: an eclectic taste in music, complete with a jazz side, and that voice."
http://www.npr.org/blogs/allsongs/2008/08/newport_folk_festival_day_2.html (http://www.npr.org/blogs/allsongs/2008/08/newport_folk_festival_day_2.html)

ps. I made this: www.timbuckley.com (http://www.timbuckley.com)

Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: MrWhippy on Oct 01, 2013, 06:38 AM
Quote from: CC Baxter on Oct 01, 2013, 04:27 AM
Quote from: MrWhippy on Sep 30, 2013, 07:24 PM
My favorite Tim Buckley release is a live album called "Dream Letter Live in London 1968".  That album has some of my favorite vocal performances ever.  It's like every line that he sings is an emotional journey in and of itself. 

Huge fan. So is Jim. One time after a My Morning Jacket show in London we all ended up in the lobby of the hotel.. Jim started dj-ing and at the end of the night he made everybody fall in love with Dream Letter.

"Jim James has that Jeff Buckley quality to him, and it isn't a stretch to say that James brings to Newport what Tim Buckley brought to Newport in 1968: an eclectic taste in music, complete with a jazz side, and that voice."
http://www.npr.org/blogs/allsongs/2008/08/newport_folk_festival_day_2.html (http://www.npr.org/blogs/allsongs/2008/08/newport_folk_festival_day_2.html)

ps. I made this: www.timbuckley.com (http://www.timbuckley.com)

Wow!  That's all very cool, and makes me very glad I brought up Tim Buckley and the Dream Letter record.  I guess it makes sense that my favorite living vocalist (Jim) was also touched by my favorite non-living vocalists (Tim and Jeff Buckley). 

That Tim Buckley set looks awesome, C.C., I'll definitely spend some time with it soon.
Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: CC on Oct 01, 2013, 11:18 AM
If you wanna do some reading go for Blue Melody by his former guitar player Lee Underwood. Dream Brother by David Browne is another one but not as good.
Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: MrWhippy on Oct 01, 2013, 12:38 PM
Quote from: CC Baxter on Oct 01, 2013, 11:18 AM
If you wanna do some reading go for Blue Melody by his former guitar player Lee Underwood. Dream Brother by David Browne is another one but not as good.

Thanks. That Lee Underwood book sounds interseting.  I really like Lee Underwood's liner notes for the Dream Letter album.
Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: capt. scotty on Oct 01, 2013, 04:17 PM
Quote from: e_wind on Sep 28, 2013, 12:34 PM
This dude is my current obsession and I can't tell you why. The first thing I heard that was blowing my mind was his cover of I Shall Be Released on Pandora. His voice is incredible. Then I saw the video of him alone doing Hallelujah. HOLY SHIT. Then I started listening to his original shit after reading about his "self-predicted death".... I'm not a huge fan of his songs at all, but I still cant stop listening. His voice is sooo good, and he seems soooo tortured.

Seriously? So you're obsessed with him, love his covers, but not really digging his original stuff? Gun to my head, Grace is probably in my top 10 albums of all-time. Sketches isnt as strong for aforementioned reasons, but still has its moment. I just have trouble figuring out how anyone who likes Jeff Buckley not realizing the greatness of Grace.
Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: capt. scotty on Oct 01, 2013, 05:00 PM
Quote from: APR on Sep 28, 2013, 06:04 PM
I recommend Grace Around the World, a very good DVD,  to see some good performances and interviews (tortured, sounded a bit out of it sometimes, but 100% caring about his art). Disc 1 of Sketches for My Sweetheart the Drunk has some great songs, but Grace is top notch....... easily one of the top 5 or 10 albums of the 90s.  Sketches is what Jeff was working on when he died so it's incomplete, but better than nothing.

Never knew about this, I'll have to track it down. I have the Mystery White Boy DVD and love it.

Of course Sketches is no Grace, but it would be interesting to have heard it with him still being alive to put the finishing touches on it and release the album he wanted to. I love The Sky is a Landfill, Vancouver,  and Yard of Blonde Girls, but there isnt really a bad song on the rest of Disc 1. Disc 2 is obviously more songs that probably weren't going to make the original album and very demo-ish, but Haven't You Heard and the Satisfied Mind cover are great, and Your Flesh Is So Nice is good fun.
Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: capt. scotty on Oct 01, 2013, 05:03 PM
Quote from: MrWhippy on Sep 30, 2013, 05:01 PM
In fact, some of the Mystery White Boy album is taken from the Great American Music Hall show that I saw.  Another great thing about that record is it has "What Will You Say?" on it, which is a great track that got left off of Grace. Also, the versions he was doing of Kanga Roo to end shows were crazy and rasied a pretty serious ruckus.  He also turned "Eternal Life" into a much heavier song when played live, as heard on that live album.

Not that it would preclude it from being on Grace obviously, but I thought What Will You Say was a cover?

Love Kanga Roo. MWB is probably one of my favorite live albums.
Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: capt. scotty on Oct 01, 2013, 05:09 PM
Also, the talk about Tim Buckley reminded me of a movie called Greetings From Tim Buckley which was released earlier this year that is about Jeff Buckley's days before playing at his father's tribute concert in 1991. Havent been able to find it yet.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1823125/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1823125/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2)


The dude they got to play Jeff does look like him, but as ewind mentioned it wouldve been cool if they got Franco for the part and made this a big movie on the scale of Ray or Walk the Line.
Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: MrWhippy on Oct 01, 2013, 05:16 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Oct 01, 2013, 05:03 PM
Not that it would preclude it from being on Grace obviously, but I thought What Will You Say was a cover?

Love Kanga Roo. MWB is probably one of my favorite live albums.

I'm pretty sure What Will You Say is an original.  I also checked on allmusic.com and they list the song as composed by Jeff in their track listing for Mystery White Boy.
Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: capt. scotty on Oct 01, 2013, 05:30 PM
Quote from: MrWhippy on Oct 01, 2013, 05:16 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Oct 01, 2013, 05:03 PM
Not that it would preclude it from being on Grace obviously, but I thought What Will You Say was a cover?

Love Kanga Roo. MWB is probably one of my favorite live albums.

I'm pretty sure What Will You Say is an original.  I also checked on allmusic.com and they list the song as composed by Jeff in their track listing for Mystery White Boy.

Looks like you're right. I have no idea why I always thought it was a cover. I guess because its just simply too good to not have been on Grace?! It isnt even on the 22 song Legacy Edition of Grace.

Knowing this now, Id instantly call it one of my 5 favorite Buckley songs, maybe top 3.

Last Goodbye
Mojo Pin
What Will You Say
Dream Brother
Grace
Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: APR on Oct 02, 2013, 01:49 PM
Great story CC.  Based on your posts and Mr. Whippy, Tim Buckley is now on my list of musicians to check out.  I know he is a legend, I just don't his stuff.

Just listened to Mystery White Boy for the first time in a while..... so good.  It makes me sad when I listen to Jeff Buckley.  It's a combo of his voice and that he died.  I remember those days he was missing and fearing the worst.  And the news of his body in the river.  Awful.
Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: zanjam on Oct 13, 2013, 01:02 PM
I worked for Columbia Records in the early-mid 90's doing retail marketing for new and upcoming artists, and Jeff Buckley's Grace was a big one for us.  I met Jeff a few times and spent some time hanging out with him.  He even had a fling with my counterpart in Chicago (I was in SF).  He was as weird, introverted and tortured as you probably imagine he was.  He had a larger than life presence but was just so uncomfortable in his own skin (or so it seemed).  When he died, it was obviously a huge blow to everyone who had worked with him.  No one at Columbia believed that his drowning was an accident, although that's what the official statement was.  No one will really ever know, though.

Grace is til to this day one of my fave albums of all time.  Every single song holds up.  Jeff was one of the best vocalists to ever have lived, IMO.

Whippy we must have been at those SF shows together.  And you're right...everyone knew he was a star just waiting to be born.  It was actually a bit of a mystery why it was taking Grace so long to catch on.  Tons of critical acclaim but record sales did not reflect that.  His death was such a shame.  The world was robbed of what would have undoubtedly been magical music for years to come.
Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: e_wind on Oct 13, 2013, 03:41 PM
Wow, thats insane Jen, that you knew him once upon a time. I agree, one of the best vocalists of all time.

I'm still pretty infatuated with this guy. The music just keeps getting better and better as I listen more and more.
Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: e_wind on Oct 13, 2013, 05:19 PM
Also, a lot of his music reminds me of some earlier Radiohead. Or, maybe early radiohead reminds me of this. I dont know.
Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: MrWhippy on Oct 13, 2013, 07:03 PM
Wow, Jenny, thanks for sharing that story.  Pretty incredible that you had so much contact with him.

It seemed like he played around the Bay Area all the time when he was first starting out.  I remember seeing his name with "Son of Tim Buckley" listed under it at tiny places like a pub in Berkeley called the Starry Plough.  I really kick myself for never making it to those, as they were probably similar to that "Live at Sin-e" record.  It would have been very cool to get to see him solo.

I'm not a big concert shirt buyer, but this conversation reminded me of this baby that I picked up at the Great American Music Hall show in '95.  Were you at that one, Jenny?

(http://s22.postimg.org/j5rc7lanl/IMAG0690.jpg)

(http://s17.postimg.org/c6z8wudjz/IMAG0693.jpg)
Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: Jaimoe on Oct 14, 2013, 05:07 PM
Quote from: zanjam on Oct 13, 2013, 01:02 PM
I worked for Columbia Records in the early-mid 90's doing retail marketing for new and upcoming artists, and Jeff Buckley's Grace was a big one for us.  I met Jeff a few times and spent some time hanging out with him.  He even had a fling with my counterpart in Chicago (I was in SF).  He was as weird, introverted and tortured as you probably imagine he was.  He had a larger than life presence but was just so uncomfortable in his own skin (or so it seemed).  When he died, it was obviously a huge blow to everyone who had worked with him.  No one at Columbia believed that his drowning was an accident, although that's what the official statement was.  No one will really ever know, though.

Grace is til to this day one of my fave albums of all time.  Every single song holds up.  Jeff was one of the best vocalists to ever have lived, IMO.

Whippy we must have been at those SF shows together.  And you're right...everyone knew he was a star just waiting to be born.  It was actually a bit of a mystery why it was taking Grace so long to catch on.  Tons of critical acclaim but record sales did not reflect that.  His death was such a shame.  The world was robbed of what would have undoubtedly been magical music for years to come.

Cool Jenny! I love Jeff and I hear he was a tortured soul. I kinda think he got lost in the grunge shuffle during the 90s. For my money, he was on-par vocally with Freddie Mercury.

I had a correspondence going on with Jeff's Grace collaborator and guitarist Gary Lucas, geez, easily 5-6 years ago. I was writing a review of a new Gods and Monsters album. Anyway, Gary was a nice guy via our emails. I didn't ask him too much about Jeff since I was reviewing his album, although I wish I did.
Title: Re: Jeff Buckley
Post by: e_wind on Dec 15, 2013, 03:03 PM
love this music video


Jeff Buckley - Everybody Here Wants You (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrMwgTc69y4#)