This wait for a tour or a new album is getting redonkulous. I know OBH is a big deal, but there are many of us who cannot go. I love MMJ, but it feels like their a girlfriend who has broken up with me, but they just haven't told me yet.
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Although we're doing OBH, I do feel your pain. I don't get it, throw your fans a bone or two and play a few shows! Seems to be their style though when they have a new album in the works. When they do finally release the album and play some shows, I imagine the fans will have an experience similar to this...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B0x_dFMnZVI (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B0x_dFMnZVI)
I just don't get it either. I mean, they are one of the best live acts going today. They used to tour their asses off back in the day which went a long way in giving them the reputation for being one of the best live bands going. Yet, they seem to be touring less and less as time goes by?! I just don't get it at all?! Hell, Wilco just ended their longest hiatus without playing together live at a whopping TEN months!!! Maybe the boys could take a page from Wilco and throw their fans a freaking bone!
I'm usually not one to be critical, but it just sucks when the only chance one can have to see this band live over the last 2 years is to drop several thousand dollars to see them in Mexico??? Not exactly what I would consider being fan accessible... :undecided:
yeah I noticed my other fav band wilco are back and announced shows etc... This has been a longest drought for the guys... hurry (without shouting :wink:).
gotta disagree. let them enjoy time with family and friends. let them enjoy the fruits of all the work they've done over the years. let them rest, relax, and recharge. and record. :thumbsup:
while I would love to have some news and some tour dates on the horizon, I want the band to take all the time they need to make the record they want. I get the points about them touring their asses of and earning a rep as one of the best live bands in America. But, maybe they want to be known for making a hugely impacting record that vaults them past "great live band" to Best American Band.
I would be happy if they would just release the T5 boxset...that would keep me satisfied for a while...;)
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Quote from: Bigsky on Oct 15, 2014, 05:00 PM
I would be happy if they would just release the T5 boxset...that would keep me satisfied for a while...;)
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Yeah, this.
today's FB status update photo is a sign they are still getting forging ahead with the album.. good to see.
I'm pretty sure 2015 will be a big year for MMJ...but it cannot come soon enough.
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A) Who gives a shit what Wilco's doing
2) MMJ are still one of, if not the best, live bands there is!
III) I'd be happy with T5 vinyl set too
D) and yeh let them relax, enjoy family and friends and take the time they need to put out the album, THEY wanna put out. I'm sure EVERYONE will be happy... :thumbsup:
Just one guys opinion...
Quote from: tippitoes22 on Oct 20, 2014, 11:34 PM
A) Who gives a shit what Wilco's doing
2) They still are one of the best live bands there is
III) I'd be happy with T5 vinyl set too
D) and yeh let them relax, enjoy family and friends and take the time they need to put out the album, THEY wanna put out, I'm sure EVERYONE will be happy :thumbsup:
i care what wilco's doing
All it takes is one Port Chester-esque run to make all the waiting and newslessness more than worth it.
Quote from: WinstonLegthigh on Oct 23, 2014, 11:09 PM
All it takes is one Port Chester-esque run to make all the waiting and newslessness more than worth it.
dude, best user name ever. i doubt anyone else here knows its origin. :beer:
slappymoe is a kind of rare and unique genius when it comes to rock history. Other unknowledgable imbeciles that visit this forum could not possibly approach his breadth and erudition.
Now that OBH is about sold out I could use a NYE concert in Louisville at Yum center
Quote from: slappymoe on Oct 24, 2014, 10:38 AM
Quote from: WinstonLegthigh on Oct 23, 2014, 11:09 PM
All it takes is one Port Chester-esque run to make all the waiting and newslessness more than worth it.
dude, best user name ever. i doubt anyone else here knows its origin. :beer:
the lead singer from the Dirty Mac, of course. Nice guy, but left us way too early
Quote from: dontgetupset on Oct 24, 2014, 12:02 PM
slappymoe is a kind of rare and unique genius when it comes to rock history. Other unknowledgable imbeciles that visit this forum could not possibly approach his breadth and erudition.
yeah, i didn't intend for it to come off like that. poorly done by me. :embarrassed:
Quote from: tippitoes22 on Oct 20, 2014, 11:34 PM
A) Who gives a shit what Wilco's doing
They're actually playing live shows so I give a shit what Wilco is doing.
Quote from: tippitoes22 on Oct 20, 2014, 11:34 PM
2) MMJ are still one of, if not the best, live bands there is!
Which is why they should be touring!!!
I just want a big ole double album and a big ole louisville show, is that too much to ask?
I think as fans we need to take a step back and realize a couple things as humans:
- These dudes work REALLY hard. :thumbsup:
- Putting out a record of this magnitude is a MASSIVE undertaking. As the band continues to grow there is more on the proverbial line with each release, taking time to do it RIGHT is critical.
- Post-production the MMJ/MGMT/ATO/CAA team have so much to plan >>
marketing/releasing the record...TV/Radio/Web/Print Interviews...the tours, which is usually routed with publicity hits...merch...staffing...buses...trucks...hotels...REHEARSALS!
Something of this magnitude is a 2-3 year cycle. Every day is a calculated dance of many more people than just the 5 band members. I didn't even bring up their solo work/side-projects, or most importantly their FAMILIES! Its safe to say, while they haven't been on the road 2014 has been crazy busy getting ready for what 2015-16 will bring. Trust me, there will LOTS of shows to enjoy...365 days off the road from OBH1 until OBH2 is well earned, being that they'll probably play 200 times over the coming 730.
Food for thought...
Quote from: JerseyDan on Oct 27, 2014, 10:25 PM
I think as fans we need to take a step back and realize a couple things as humans:
- These dudes work REALLY hard. :thumbsup:
- Putting out a record of this magnitude is a MASSIVE undertaking. As the band continues to grow there is more on the proverbial line with each release, taking time to do it RIGHT is critical.
- Post-production the MMJ/MGMT/ATO/CAA team have so much to plan >>
marketing/releasing the record...TV/Radio/Web/Print Interviews...the tours, which is usually routed with publicity hits...merch...staffing...buses...trucks...hotels...REHEARSALS!
Something of this magnitude is a 2-3 year cycle. Every day is a calculated dance of many more people than just the 5 band members. I didn't even bring up their solo work/side-projects, or most importantly their FAMILIES! Its safe to say, while they haven't been on the road 2014 has been crazy busy getting ready for what 2015-16 will bring. Trust me, there will LOTS of shows to enjoy...365 days off the road from OBH1 until OBH2 is well earned, being that they'll probably play 200 times over the coming 730.
Food for thought...
I am not disputing much of this as possible, but there is a ton of speculation here. We do not know the magnitude of the new record, or how massive an undertaking it is. I find the 2-3 year cycle as a choice, not a requirement to create great music. Look what Hendrix, Elton, The Beatles, Stones, and many others accomplished in 3 years. The bulk of their greatest works in many instances.
I think they are taking their time for personal reasons. Those reasons may be also considered creative related, but 2-3 years is not required for them to make a great album, in my estimation. I do not begrudge them one bit for them taking time, as they owe me nothing. Let them live their lives, and enjoy what they do offer when it comes around.
I think this thread shows an even bigger misunderstanding of "putting out a record" in 2014...its so much more than just recording on songs, printing artwork, pressing lps/manufacturing cds, getting the stuff onto Amazon/iTunes and into stores.
Look at the trajectory of LP releases from some of their contemporaries >>
Wilco: A.M. (1995) Being There (1996) Summerteeth (1999) Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (2002) A Ghost Is Born (2004) Sky Blue Sky (2007) Wilco (The Album) (2009) The Whole Love (2011)
Arcade Fire: Funeral (2004) Neon Bible (2007)The Suburbs (2010) Reflektor (2013)
Spoon: 1996 Telephono > 1998 A Series of Sneaks > 2001 Girls Can Tell > 2002 Kill the Moonlight > 2005 Gimme Fiction > 2007 Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga > 2010 Transference >
2014 They Want My Soul
Unless you are the Grateful Dead or Phish you tour to support a RECORD...if you are lucky you get to headline a 2nd time on a "victory lap" tour (Spontaneous Curation Tour), or maybe support a tour with a more massive audience than yours (Americanarama Tour).
MMJ Fans = Very Lucky.
Quote from: JerseyDan on Oct 28, 2014, 09:08 AM
I think this thread shows an even bigger misunderstanding of "putting out a record" in 2014...its so much more than just recording on songs, printing artwork, pressing lps/manufacturing cds, getting the stuff onto Amazon/iTunes and into stores.
Look at the trajectory of LP releases from some of their contemporaries >>
Wilco: A.M. (1995) Being There (1996) Summerteeth (1999) Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (2002) A Ghost Is Born (2004) Sky Blue Sky (2007) Wilco (The Album) (2009) The Whole Love (2011)
Arcade Fire: Funeral (2004) Neon Bible (2007)The Suburbs (2010) Reflektor (2013)
Spoon: 1996 Telephono > 1998 A Series of Sneaks > 2001 Girls Can Tell > 2002 Kill the Moonlight > 2005 Gimme Fiction > 2007 Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga > 2010 Transference >
2014 They Want My Soul
Unless you are the Grateful Dead or Phish you tour to support a RECORD...if you are lucky you get to headline a 2nd time on a "victory lap" tour (Spontaneous Curation Tour), or maybe support a tour with a more massive audience than yours (Americanarama Tour).
MMJ Fans = Very Lucky.
I think their touring schedule from 2010 till 2013 was packed and we're very spoiled. A year with no shows seems a long way off the back to back tours from those years.
Quote from: bartel on Oct 28, 2014, 09:34 AM
Quote from: JerseyDan on Oct 28, 2014, 09:08 AM
I think this thread shows an even bigger misunderstanding of "putting out a record" in 2014...its so much more than just recording on songs, printing artwork, pressing lps/manufacturing cds, getting the stuff onto Amazon/iTunes and into stores.
Look at the trajectory of LP releases from some of their contemporaries >>
Wilco: A.M. (1995) Being There (1996) Summerteeth (1999) Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (2002) A Ghost Is Born (2004) Sky Blue Sky (2007) Wilco (The Album) (2009) The Whole Love (2011)
Arcade Fire: Funeral (2004) Neon Bible (2007)The Suburbs (2010) Reflektor (2013)
Spoon: 1996 Telephono > 1998 A Series of Sneaks > 2001 Girls Can Tell > 2002 Kill the Moonlight > 2005 Gimme Fiction > 2007 Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga > 2010 Transference >
2014 They Want My Soul
Unless you are the Grateful Dead or Phish you tour to support a RECORD...if you are lucky you get to headline a 2nd time on a "victory lap" tour (Spontaneous Curation Tour), or maybe support a tour with a more massive audience than yours (Americanarama Tour).
MMJ Fans = Very Lucky.
I think their touring schedule from 2010 till 2013 was packed and we're very spoiled. A year with no shows seems a long way off the back to back tours from those years.
I don't think they have toured what I would consider heavily at all compared to other acts that I follow in the past 5 years and the album output is pretty much less than most over that time frame, 1 album.
All data taken from Setlist FM, so more shows could of taken place if no one added dates, but considering the size of following of these two bands I doubt many would be missing.
MMJ
2014 (1)
2013 (31)
2012 (54)
2011 (73)
2010 (33)
Total (192)
Mastodon
2014 (64) and counting
2013 (46)
2012 (96)
2011 (59)
2010 (80)
Total (345)
MMJ
1 LP
Mastodon
2 LP
2 Live Albums
With this being said I don't think MMJ doesn't tour that often even though those totals are pretty far apart, I would argue that they don't put out that much new material considering the time in between albums.
With that said if that's what the guys want then so be it, I mean its their band and all so good for them to take some time off if that's what they want. But I can also understand why some people are getting restless considering the extended time off. Here's hoping that we get some info soon regarding the album.
Not to split hairs but 2014 had 3 shows :thumbsup: (OBH)
Yeah i'm kinda starting to crack up a bit. I really liked the new War on drugs but i over did it...Tweedy was great over did it...i don't know i've been really broke lately so i've been just going through old records like some Wax Fang i ordered last year...Z...Circuital...Hollis Brown...Ryan Bingham...Justin Townes Earle...Zeppelin which is weird because i don't love them as much i as i used to. Meaning i love Led 1 II and III but IV eh...and Houses of the holy is always good. but eh i'm needing some new MMJ to fill the void to look forward to seeing and Wilco needs to tour again. also i love all of you.
While I love me some MASTODON (probably seen them a dozen times), its hard to make a 1-to-1 comparison with a band that has major crossover (MMJ) and a thinking-man's metal band (Mastodon). Mastodon has played many a touring festival, and when they headline they play much smaller rooms with 1/3 the production of MMJ. Mastodon, and similar bands) have to be "road dogs" or they don't have much of a revenue stream like a band like MMJ. MMJ gets songs in movies/shows/soundtracks etc...and the biggest media like SNL and CBS This Morning.
And one fine example: last time MMJ headlined Philadelphia, they had 12k seats they could have sold at The MANN...Mastodon had 2500 at Electric Factory. For argument sake, at a $30 tickets MMJ stood to gross $360,000...Mastodon $75,000.
Different ballgame...
Quote from: JerseyDan on Oct 27, 2014, 10:25 PM
I think as fans we need to take a step back and realize a couple things as humans:
- These dudes work REALLY hard. :thumbsup:
- Putting out a record of this magnitude is a MASSIVE undertaking. As the band continues to grow there is more on the proverbial line with each release, taking time to do it RIGHT is critical.
- Post-production the MMJ/MGMT/ATO/CAA team have so much to plan >>
marketing/releasing the record...TV/Radio/Web/Print Interviews...the tours, which is usually routed with publicity hits...merch...staffing...buses...trucks...hotels...REHEARSALS!
Something of this magnitude is a 2-3 year cycle. Every day is a calculated dance of many more people than just the 5 band members. I didn't even bring up their solo work/side-projects, or most importantly their FAMILIES! Its safe to say, while they haven't been on the road 2014 has been crazy busy getting ready for what 2015-16 will bring. Trust me, there will LOTS of shows to enjoy...365 days off the road from OBH1 until OBH2 is well earned, being that they'll probably play 200 times over the coming 730.
Food for thought...
well said! the boys should be all charged up and shoot out of a cannon in May to tour heavily - including a City near you!