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Title: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: parkervb on May 15, 2015, 12:59 PM
looks like our boys will be on the Hangout Fest stream on Sunday

http://www.jambase.com/Articles/125082/Couch-Tour-Alert-Hangout-Music-Festival-Free-Webcast (http://www.jambase.com/Articles/125082/Couch-Tour-Alert-Hangout-Music-Festival-Free-Webcast)
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: BH on May 15, 2015, 02:58 PM
Quote from: parkervb on May 15, 2015, 12:59 PM
looks like our boys will be on the Hangout Fest stream on Sunday

http://www.jambase.com/Articles/125082/Couch-Tour-Alert-Hangout-Music-Festival-Free-Webcast (http://www.jambase.com/Articles/125082/Couch-Tour-Alert-Hangout-Music-Festival-Free-Webcast)

Sweet, we can have a old school forum watch party!
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: APR on May 15, 2015, 03:54 PM
Thanks parker!  I never would have learned of this otherwise.  I can manage an old school forum watch party Sunday night!
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: parkervb on May 15, 2015, 04:03 PM
Quote from: APR on May 15, 2015, 03:54 PM
Thanks parker!  I never would have learned of this otherwise.  I can manage an old school forum watch party Sunday night!

you're welcome! Looking forward to catching some other acts (Spoon, DBT, FJM, Beck)
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: Angela D Vice on May 15, 2015, 04:52 PM
I'm a big Spoon fan - seen them live a couple times.  If you dig them, you will not be disappointed.
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: GO4IT on May 17, 2015, 07:54 PM
This stream of MMJ should be starting soon on channel 1.  They haven't provided a time, however.  All I can say for sure is they're not on yet.
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: Tomer on May 17, 2015, 07:56 PM
They should be on at 7:15 local time.
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: Angelo on May 17, 2015, 07:57 PM
According to the Jambase link above they go on at 8:41 p.m. EST.
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: PJAMVedder on May 17, 2015, 07:57 PM
Stream working for you guys?
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: Tomer on May 17, 2015, 08:06 PM
Camera 3 works...Hope 1 will be ok in 10 minutes. Yesterday I watched DBT set and it was fine.

EDIT: It's working now.
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: PJAMVedder on May 17, 2015, 08:19 PM
Not for me
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: subinai on May 17, 2015, 08:21 PM
spotty for me in chrome
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: Tomer on May 17, 2015, 08:22 PM
Yeah, it goes on and off for me...try to change the camera and then back. Having problems. it's working for two minutes and then shuts down again.
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: sweatboard on May 17, 2015, 08:28 PM
Quote from: BH on May 15, 2015, 02:58 PM
Quote from: parkervb on May 15, 2015, 12:59 PM
looks like our boys will be on the Hangout Fest stream on Sunday

http://www.jambase.com/Articles/125082/Couch-Tour-Alert-Hangout-Music-Festival-Free-Webcast (http://www.jambase.com/Articles/125082/Couch-Tour-Alert-Hangout-Music-Festival-Free-Webcast)

Sweet, we can have a old school forum watch party!

I'm Down!!!!
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: subinai on May 17, 2015, 08:28 PM
this is annoying
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: Tomer on May 17, 2015, 08:30 PM
Only camera 3 worked for me and I could here Compound and Circuital in the far background...
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: oistheone on May 17, 2015, 08:33 PM
Well I suppose this far-off atmospheric sound is better than nothing.
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: Stevie on May 17, 2015, 08:35 PM
It says onthe jam base link that they dont stream mmj til 841 est
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: Tomer on May 17, 2015, 08:36 PM
I guess so, but I didn't stay up till 3:30am for that  :tongue:

In It's Infancy now.
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: Tomer on May 17, 2015, 08:36 PM
Quote from: Stevie on May 17, 2015, 08:35 PM
It says onthe jam base link that they dont stream mmj til 841 est

Their set started at 7:15 and ending at 9...You can hear it from far-off on camera 3.
Title: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: BigHerm on May 17, 2015, 08:38 PM

Quote from: Tomer on May 17, 2015, 08:36 PM
Quote from: Stevie on May 17, 2015, 08:35 PM
It says onthe jam base link that they dont stream mmj til 841 est

Their set started at 7:15 and ending at 9...You can hear it from far-off on camera 3.
the steam isn't live


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Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: APR on May 17, 2015, 08:41 PM
Quote from: BigHerm on May 17, 2015, 08:38 PM

Quote from: Tomer on May 17, 2015, 08:36 PM
Quote from: Stevie on May 17, 2015, 08:35 PM
It says onthe jam base link that they dont stream mmj til 841 est

Their set started at 7:15 and ending at 9...You can hear it from far-off on camera 3.
the steam isn't live


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Good to know.  I was wondering where everyone went also.

The stream seems to be working fine with Safari.
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: sweatboard on May 17, 2015, 08:42 PM
This stream blows
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: Tomer on May 17, 2015, 08:45 PM
Yeah, I'm out. Good night to ya folks.
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: sweatboard on May 17, 2015, 08:45 PM
OK, It's working now......Let's Party!!!
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: sweatboard on May 17, 2015, 08:46 PM
It looks like Jim dressed up for Tacky Day on this tour. 
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: subinai on May 17, 2015, 08:48 PM
have only seen Spring so far. Stream is really aggravating
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: oistheone on May 17, 2015, 08:48 PM
Dammit, what a tease! Mine just cut out again.
Title: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: BigHerm on May 17, 2015, 08:49 PM
The shitty part is it has been working fine all day.


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Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: sweatboard on May 17, 2015, 08:50 PM
I got a good 45 seconds of that glorious Kimono....now nothing.  :huh:
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: moses malone on May 17, 2015, 08:51 PM
I'm getting an Off the Record right now
Title: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: BigHerm on May 17, 2015, 08:52 PM

Quote from: sweatboard on May 17, 2015, 08:50 PM
I got a good 45 seconds of that glorious Kimono....now nothing.  :huh:
refresh it is back on now


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Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: sweatboard on May 17, 2015, 08:53 PM
Hey, It's back on..... :thumbsup: :evil:
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: APR on May 17, 2015, 08:54 PM
Actually it's not working with Safari anymore.  It was working fine earlier in the day.
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: oistheone on May 17, 2015, 08:54 PM
This stream is like the waves crashing on that very beach.

In

and out

In

and out

In

and out
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: sweatboard on May 17, 2015, 08:55 PM
and now it's off again.... :undecided:

Who Hooo....Go Internet!!!
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: subinai on May 17, 2015, 08:57 PM
i've heard spring, off the record, and now PWW. anything else played during "buffering"? :)
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: sweatboard on May 17, 2015, 08:57 PM
I could go for a 20min. PWW about now with no stream issues. 
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: oistheone on May 17, 2015, 08:59 PM
This is like tasting the MMJ live catalog, one 45-second iTunes sample at a time.
Title: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: BigHerm on May 17, 2015, 08:59 PM

Quote from: oistheone on May 17, 2015, 08:59 PM
This is like tasting the MMJ live catalog, one 45-second iTunes sample at a time.
lol


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Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: ericm on May 17, 2015, 09:00 PM
Quote from: sweatboard on May 17, 2015, 08:57 PM
I could go for a 20min. PWW about now with no stream issues.

Spoke too soon. :wink:

I hope it is a 20 min PWW, we might catch the end of it!  :grin:
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: sweatboard on May 17, 2015, 09:00 PM
Quote from: oistheone on May 17, 2015, 08:59 PM
This is like tasting the MMJ live catalog, one 45-second iTunes sample at a time.

LOL
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: sweatboard on May 17, 2015, 09:01 PM
Quote from: ericm on May 17, 2015, 09:00 PM
Quote from: sweatboard on May 17, 2015, 08:57 PM
I could go for a 20min. PWW about now with no stream issues.

Spoke too soon. :wink:

I hope it is a 20 min PWW, we might catch the end of it!  :grin:

True Story!
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: APR on May 17, 2015, 09:02 PM
I'm about to bail and watch Game of Thrones.  They'll probably have the video up to watch at another time (like they did the recent KCR show).
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: RastaRunner5 on May 17, 2015, 09:02 PM
 :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: sweatboard on May 17, 2015, 09:05 PM
I'm going to stick this out because I just need it in my life right now....even though I do Love  me some Game Of Thrones
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: Stevie on May 17, 2015, 09:06 PM
Not that it bothers me a whole lot after athens and knoxville but its baffling that in 2015 a somewhat major festival partenered w mtv cant get a stream to work. 
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: subinai on May 17, 2015, 09:07 PM
Quote from: Stevie on May 17, 2015, 09:06 PM
Not that it bothers me a whole lot after athens and knoxville but its baffling that in 2015 a somewhat major festival partenered w mtv cant get a stream to work.

mtv hasnt done anything right in over a decade
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: alexzbik on May 17, 2015, 09:07 PM
This is what happens when festivals try to save a couple bucks and don't use YouTube to stream.
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: slappymoe on May 17, 2015, 09:09 PM
bummer. I was looking forward to this. verrry frustrating. :cry:
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: RastaRunner5 on May 17, 2015, 09:10 PM
I've seen about 10 minutes of that pizza hut ad and 9 minutes of the Jacket :undecided:
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: APR on May 17, 2015, 09:12 PM
Quote from: RastaRunner5 on May 17, 2015, 09:10 PM
I've seen about 10 minutes of that pizza hut ad and 9 minutes of the Jacket :undecided:

Me too.  That's a bad ratio.  And still I will NOT order pizza hut or go to one.
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: sweatboard on May 17, 2015, 09:15 PM
Blue Balls
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: APR on May 17, 2015, 09:15 PM
What's up with Camera 3 working perfectly?  I can hear Tropics.
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: ericm on May 17, 2015, 09:15 PM
Quote from: APR on May 17, 2015, 09:12 PM
Quote from: RastaRunner5 on May 17, 2015, 09:10 PM
I've seen about 10 minutes of that pizza hut ad and 9 minutes of the Jacket :undecided:

Me too.  That's a bad ratio.  And still I will NOT order pizza hut or go to one.

Haha. I'm so sick of it I might not ever go to Pizza Hut again. I'll be getting flashbacks to tonight, and run outta there with a screaming headache!
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: subinai on May 17, 2015, 09:16 PM
only memories now
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: sweatboard on May 17, 2015, 09:22 PM
I'm getting Memories in its full 12 min. version....I still say this is a buzz kill in the middle of the set like this.....It NEVER ENDS!!!
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: sweatboard on May 17, 2015, 09:25 PM
DROP THE BASS!!!  It's Victory Dance!
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: sweatboard on May 17, 2015, 09:31 PM
I love Carls' little pic slides on Victory Dance...so tasty.
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: RastaRunner5 on May 17, 2015, 09:34 PM
Digging the Carl's new SG for victory dance
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: subinai on May 17, 2015, 09:36 PM
for a festival set this is pretty awesome, song wise
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: EverythingChanges on May 17, 2015, 09:37 PM
I started at only memories, what did I miss?
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: sweatboard on May 17, 2015, 09:41 PM
Quote from: EverythingChanges on May 17, 2015, 09:37 PM
I started at only memories, what did I miss?

Nothing..the stream wouldn't work before that.
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: oistheone on May 17, 2015, 09:50 PM
This feed (and its patchiness) just got me jonesin' for more!! June can't some soon enough.
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: subinai on May 17, 2015, 09:52 PM
anyone have a full setlist?
Title: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: BigHerm on May 17, 2015, 09:54 PM
So I guess it was live? They just never intended to broadcast the entire show.


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Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: Stevie on May 17, 2015, 09:54 PM
Wow, that was a pretty big crowd.  Loved hearing the "jacket!" chants at the end
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: johnnYYac on May 17, 2015, 09:57 PM
That stream was a bitch.  I missed a ton.  I'm doubtful anyone got a solid webcast recording, but maybe we'll luck out.
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: GO4IT on May 17, 2015, 09:57 PM
Well the first half was quite frustrating with repeated fails of the stream but the second half came through pretty much uninterrupted for me, finally.  Maybe everyone else gave up and relieved the demand.  Anyway, when it worked it was pretty sweet.  Carl was extra animated on the closer, OBH. Can't wait for more!
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: NSLrecordings on May 17, 2015, 10:15 PM
Quote from: subinai on May 17, 2015, 09:52 PM
anyone have a full setlist?

(https://scontent-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11238233_10153268438746955_5721910454948307542_n.jpg?oh=05c0260927412dcb4e0b33e4f2b3f731&oe=560384F4)

Also the stream didn't start until Off The Record
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: oistheone on May 17, 2015, 10:19 PM
Not that I would ever consider any different, but this stream confirmed that it's a great move to post up on Carl's side for every single show this summer.
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: armando on May 17, 2015, 10:19 PM
Quote from: GO4IT on May 17, 2015, 09:57 PM
Well the first half was quite frustrating with repeated fails of the stream but the second half came through pretty much uninterrupted for me, finally.  Maybe everyone else gave up and relieved the demand.  Anyway, when it worked it was pretty sweet.  Carl was extra animated on the closer, OBH. Can't wait for more!

I noticed Carl, too. He was *way* into it. Love it!
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: APR on May 17, 2015, 10:25 PM
Quote from: sweatboard on May 17, 2015, 09:22 PM
I'm getting Memories in its full 12 min. version....I still say this is a buzz kill in the middle of the set like this.....It NEVER ENDS!!!

I hear what you're saying.
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: APR on May 17, 2015, 10:27 PM
Quote from: ericm on May 17, 2015, 09:15 PM
Quote from: APR on May 17, 2015, 09:12 PM
Quote from: RastaRunner5 on May 17, 2015, 09:10 PM
I've seen about 10 minutes of that pizza hut ad and 9 minutes of the Jacket :undecided:

Me too.  That's a bad ratio.  And still I will NOT order pizza hut or go to one.

Haha. I'm so sick of it I might not ever go to Pizza Hut again. I'll be getting flashbacks to tonight, and run outta there with a screaming headache!

So no bringing pizza hut to the pre festivities in Camden or MPP I guess.
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: consigliare on May 17, 2015, 10:33 PM
Jumped in the car this eve for a late nite run to the local 7-11, caught  "Only Memories" on Sirius XM and initially thought it was from OBH2. 

But, when I looked down to the radio and saw that it read "Hangout Fest," I was pleasantly surprised and now found that I possessed a heightened sense of urgency to get my shit, get home, and see if I could watch the show online.  Standing in line 4 deep, I thought to myself, "who the fuck buys lottery tickets at 9:15PM on a Sunday night," and "why does it take so fucking long to get lottery tickets anyway!?"  And, "no offense, but who the fuck buys a single can of coconut water - who drinks that overly sweet, nasty shit anyway?"

All joking aside, I had no problems streaming on my desktop once I got home (the "Smart TV" and ps3 were another story).

No idea as to quality issues others reported to have experienced prior to that...
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: ericm on May 17, 2015, 10:33 PM
Quote from: APR on May 17, 2015, 10:27 PM
Quote from: ericm on May 17, 2015, 09:15 PM
Quote from: APR on May 17, 2015, 09:12 PM
Quote from: RastaRunner5 on May 17, 2015, 09:10 PM
I've seen about 10 minutes of that pizza hut ad and 9 minutes of the Jacket :undecided:

Me too.  That's a bad ratio.  And still I will NOT order pizza hut or go to one.

Haha. I'm so sick of it I might not ever go to Pizza Hut again. I'll be getting flashbacks to tonight, and run outta there with a screaming headache!

So no bringing pizza hut to the pre festivities in Camden or MPP I guess.

Haha. To tell you the truth I can't remember the last time I ate at one, but definitely no PH for me in Camden or MPP. We'll have plenty of other goodies though, no doubt!  :beer:

Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: Stevie on May 17, 2015, 10:36 PM
Quote from: oistheone on May 17, 2015, 10:19 PM
Not that I would ever consider any different, but this stream confirmed that it's a great move to post up on Carl's side for every single show this summer.

Why's that?
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: KingCobra on May 17, 2015, 10:37 PM
Recorded it into Pro Tools from the Sirius xm feed. The mix sounded a little rough to my ears.
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: oistheone on May 17, 2015, 10:44 PM
Quote from: Stevie on May 17, 2015, 10:36 PM
Quote from: oistheone on May 17, 2015, 10:19 PM
Not that I would ever consider any different, but this stream confirmed that it's a great move to post up on Carl's side for every single show this summer.

Why's that?

BECAUSE CARL KICKS FUCKING ASS!!!

And for some reason that always seems to be the emptier side.
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: ajclements004 on May 17, 2015, 11:18 PM
website says they had the 7:15-9PM time slot.  Did the set actually last that long?
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: willsfc on May 18, 2015, 12:41 AM
Fun show, was front rail in front of carl. they ended about 13 mins early and beck started 17 mins late. they could of played a bit longer,  but great set. my 10th show.

Thanks to Ryan P for a great sounding show and a setlist. (http://i.imgur.com/Jt5PRV6.jpg) (http://imgur.com/Jt5PRV6)
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: parkervb on May 18, 2015, 10:23 AM
Quote from: johnnYYac on May 17, 2015, 09:57 PM
That stream was a bitch.  I missed a ton.  I'm doubtful anyone got a solid webcast recording, but maybe we'll luck out.

ok, I kinda feel better seeing this...I was so frustrated last night. My stream worked pretty well during Drive By Truckers but pooped the bed for MMJ. 
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: willsfc on May 19, 2015, 04:20 AM
Quote from: KingCobra on May 17, 2015, 10:37 PM
Recorded it into Pro Tools from the Sirius xm feed. The mix sounded a little rough to my ears.

would love to get that if possible (would really like a video feed, as i heard i was on it several times if anyone has one)
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: sillyboob on May 19, 2015, 11:29 AM
Quote from: Angela D Vice on May 15, 2015, 04:52 PM
I'm a big Spoon fan - seen them live a couple times.  If you dig them, you will not be disappointed.

I'm a big Spoon fan as well.  I put them on my wish list for OBH3 openers!
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: sillyboob on May 19, 2015, 11:36 AM
Quote from: willsfc on May 19, 2015, 04:20 AM
Quote from: KingCobra on May 17, 2015, 10:37 PM
Recorded it into Pro Tools from the Sirius xm feed. The mix sounded a little rough to my ears.

would love to get that if possible (would really like a video feed, as i heard i was on it several times if anyone has one)

I'd love to hear it too!
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: Angela D Vice on May 19, 2015, 04:31 PM
Quote from: sillyboob on May 19, 2015, 11:29 AM
Quote from: Angela D Vice on May 15, 2015, 04:52 PM
I'm a big Spoon fan - seen them live a couple times.  If you dig them, you will not be disappointed.

I'm a big Spoon fan as well.  I put them on my wish list for OBH3 openers!

AH!  That would be fandamntastic!
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: Angela D Vice on May 19, 2015, 04:34 PM
Quote from: parkervb on May 18, 2015, 10:23 AM
Quote from: johnnYYac on May 17, 2015, 09:57 PM
That stream was a bitch.  I missed a ton.  I'm doubtful anyone got a solid webcast recording, but maybe we'll luck out.

ok, I kinda feel better seeing this...I was so frustrated last night. My stream worked pretty well during Drive By Truckers but pooped the bed for MMJ.

I tried for over 40 minutes...watched that f-ing Pizza Hut commercial more times than I care to admit.  I even tried it on multiple devices.  I saw about a total of 3 minutes.  Excellent job on the part of MTV, VH1, and Palladia. 
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: ncjacket on May 26, 2015, 02:28 PM
Has anyone been able to locate a full stream of this show?

I missed the live, due to obvious reasons  :cry:, but was hoping someone had a copy posted.

Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: bartel on May 26, 2015, 02:59 PM
yes I missed this broadcast but it seems like it wasn't taped
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: ajclements004 on May 26, 2015, 05:19 PM
there is a recording on Archive.org
Title: Re: Hangout Fest (live stream)
Post by: johnnYYac on May 26, 2015, 11:33 PM
Quote from: ajclements004 on May 26, 2015, 05:19 PM
there is a recording on Archive.org
... and here: http://forum.mymorningjacket.com/index.php/topic,18760.msg356410.html#msg356410 (http://forum.mymorningjacket.com/index.php/topic,18760.msg356410.html#msg356410)