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My Morning Jacket => The Music => Topic started by: JOHN NOAKES on Feb 03, 2005, 12:10 PM

Title: THE BEAR
Post by: JOHN NOAKES on Feb 03, 2005, 12:10 PM
look, I'm sorry to start up a whole new thread, but I've trawled through the entire forum and not seen a single thread dedicated to this song.

Having got all of MMJ's releases I find myself playing this classic more than any other. I keep going back to it! Is it just me? Does anyone else find this one of the most astonishing compositions they have ever heard.  The dark lyrics, the sinister drums, full of foreboding and then the best bit!!!!  The hairs stand up on the back of my neck as the tempo rises to the most beautiful climax to a song I HAVE EVER HEARD.

Jim's live vocal on Acoustic Citsuoca is remarkabe and gives this song an almost religous purity. How can someone, probably not out of his teens at the time, compose something so complex and definitive??????????????

It has been known to make me cry.

There!!!  I've admitted it.  No doubt humiliation will follow.
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: loper on Feb 03, 2005, 12:17 PM
I don't believe it!!!

I forgot to log in!!!

Now everyone knows it's me.

The humiliation!!!!


Incidently,  doesn't Jim (and the guys no doubt)compose the most astonishing, climatic and beautiful endings to his songs.

The ending of One Big Holiday is exquisite.
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: antoniostrohs on Feb 03, 2005, 12:19 PM
Amen,my brother.Totally agree,one of my all time faves
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: sweatboard on Feb 03, 2005, 12:45 PM
This is the song that started it all for me.  I remember the first time I heard it, I've never been hit like that by a song, especially on the first listen.  Was my very favorite for quite a long time and still holds a very special place with me.  I asked a local band to learn it (they never did) My friend said "yeah but The Bear is just an ok average song, you should have asked them to learn another)  I almost cried.  But I've learned The Bear on my acoustic now so Screw them.
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: thebigbang on Feb 03, 2005, 12:47 PM
There's just one thing . . . about their catalog. Most of the songs are so great that every time I listen to one, I find myself thinking that it could be one of my favorites.  The Bear definitely does that to me.

I think I'll start a thread about which songs we do not like very much. Since there are only a couple I don't think too highly of, it will be easier to do than try and explain all the reasons I love the others so much.
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: MMJ_fanatic on Feb 03, 2005, 02:00 PM
I find The Bear "heartbreakingly beautiful and haunting" all at once.  My favorite thing about it is the underlying theme of hope--keep trying for whatever it is you want out of your time here
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: EC on Feb 03, 2005, 03:16 PM
BOYS!!  What lovely posts today!!

Oh, you make my heart ache.  

I was just warming up the old vocal chords in the shower to The Bear.  It is, in fact, astonishing.

And listen, don't you ever think that anyone's gonna stone you for being honest about your feelings about a song on this board.  In fact, bring it on, because it is SO nice to read.
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: inertiatic_jpc on Feb 04, 2005, 03:03 AM
QuoteI don't believe it!!!

Incidently,  doesn't Jim (and the guys no doubt)compose the most astonishing, climatic and beautiful endings to his songs.

The ending of One Big Holiday is exquisite.

that is so right, like lowdown too
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: TheMadHatter on Feb 09, 2005, 03:22 AM
I heard it for the first time and was instantly taken to THAT place.And if your any kind of music lover,you know exactly where im talking about.The only way to explain it is like warm water flowing over your whole soul.Ultimate happiness and utter sadness coils up around you but it feels so good,like someone else finally feels the exact same way as you do.
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: EC on Feb 09, 2005, 07:00 AM
YEAH!  Good music is the best thing in the world!!
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: MMJ_fanatic on Feb 09, 2005, 10:22 PM
A truly great song is like a good travel agent--it takes you to a place you had no idea you wanted to got to but desperately needed to visit...
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: loper on Feb 10, 2005, 11:59 AM
An appropriate and beautiful song for the Tsunami Appeal CD.
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: Tore on Feb 10, 2005, 05:59 PM
Yes, this song is one of my favourite MMJ songs. Great! The highlight of Tennessee Fire, along with Heartbreakin Man and They Ran.
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: Oz on Feb 15, 2005, 02:58 AM
Ah, 'The Bear'... I remember, back in the days, when TTF was just released, every week I would stalk the DJ in my favourite pub with requests. The two songs I asked for the most were 'The bear' and 'Come on up to the house' by Tom Waits. Most of the people in that pub hated both songs, because they were too slow according to them, and the DJ hated them as well, but every once in a while he would do me a favor (mostly around 04:00 or later) and play them. Aaah, good times...   ;D
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: PapaJoeBear on Mar 02, 2005, 02:47 PM
 Posted by: MMJ_fanatic  
A truly great song is like a good travel agent--it takes you to a place you had no idea you wanted to got to but desperately needed to visit...  

Whoa! Thats a great little saying! I love it!

On a side note, if I can get all of the equipment I need which is doubtful (but it could happen) I plan on doing a reggae version of The Bear for the next tribute album. Its all in my head, I just got to lay the tracks. Ummmm multi-layered vocal harmonies... ;)

PapaJoeBear
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: MMJ_fanatic on Mar 02, 2005, 04:33 PM
oooo a reggae version of the bear sounds verrrry intriguing
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: Godfather on Mar 17, 2005, 06:16 PM
why does mmj use a bear (song and album cover)as a symbol for the group. other than of course it looks cool.
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: sweatboard on Mar 17, 2005, 06:26 PM
My theory goes back to the awakening ideas, coming out of hybernation, Still Moving, Being Extreamely Alive, etc.

Of course in many images he's flanked by the skeletons, which just enhances how alive the bear is.

And, if you have ever seen the band play live it looks like a bunch of bears up on stage.  Like those bears from the disneyland show on crack or something.  What is the name of those bears again?  They made a movie about them I think.  
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: EC on Mar 17, 2005, 06:57 PM
I know the bears you're talking about, Brian.  They play in a band, right?  One of them wears a hat?  I remember that.  

In one of the articles that Riny told me about recently, Jim talks about the bear image.  Lemme see if I can find it.  
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: tomEisenbraun on Mar 17, 2005, 08:21 PM
i think its in the Guitar World Acoustic article, when they talked about messing around with the taxidermied bear.
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: sweatboard on Mar 17, 2005, 08:23 PM
Ok, I like the idea of it being dead but still being able to "MOVE".  
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: corey on Mar 17, 2005, 08:32 PM
You're thinking of "The Country Bears" and they are creepy.

Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: EC on Mar 17, 2005, 09:36 PM
QuoteYou're thinking of "The Country Bears" and they are creepy.

YES!  I don't remember hating them, though...  I went there when I was a kid.  I DO remember hating the It's a Small World thing.  Freaked me out.

sweatboard, yes.  I like that idea, too.  In fact all of your bear thoughts this evening are quite astute.  
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: sweatboard on Mar 17, 2005, 09:46 PM
Yes thank you wiggums I WAS thinking of the "Country Bears".  The movie is sweet though.  I wish MMJ had done the video for One Big Holliday dressed up as the Country Bears.
They could have started the video with them ending a low key country number inside the Disney Land theater and then.....................................................................the cheesy light show comes in, you see the lead bear playing dedalee dedalee dedalee dedalle,  Then they just start Rocking The Fuck Out, Destroying the Stage, busting out of their robotic moves, standing on the arms of some grandma's chair, then grandma she rips off her horned rim glasses and starts flinging her grey dry hair with Jim's. The stage burst into flames, Patrick is still standing on top of his drum chair banging the bejebus out of his drum kit, The entire crowd starts going ape shit, throwing their popcorn and giant turkey legs into the air, song ends, Bears take their places back on stage, cut to- people lined up outside the room waiting for the next show, cut to them filing into their seats for the next performance, Cut to- close up on Jims Bear face with a sly grin, end video. Oh God Bless, that would be awesome.
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: marktwain on Mar 18, 2005, 10:38 AM
When I was a kid, I had a Disney record with a Country Bear Jamboree bluegrass song on it.  I loved it!  That, and the theme to the Main St. Electrical Parade.

I think it was Halloween in 2000 that MMJ did a "Live Lunch" at WFPK/Louisville dressed as the Hair Bear Bunch.
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: Drunkre on Mar 18, 2005, 10:53 AM
The Bear was also my first listen, as it was one of the only mp3s available on the website when i was told, no ordered, to go check them out by a friend.  Great song; first listen and I was hooked.  
As for the "end of songs" subcontext going on here.  I'm a big fan of the end of Mahgeetah (especially the "AAAH...mahgeetah...mahgeetah" part.
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: The Boar on Mar 19, 2005, 12:45 AM
I thought The Country Bears were weird, but I read somewhere that the job with the highest suicide rate in the state of Florida was the operator of It's a Small World. Probably not true, but kinda funny anyway.
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: EC on Mar 19, 2005, 09:34 AM
QuoteI thought The Country Bears were weird, but I read somewhere that the job with the highest suicide rate in the state of Florida was the operator of It's a Small World. Probably not true, but kinda funny anyway.

I don't doubt it, actually.  That place is fucked.  My friend used to work in the Canadian pavillion, and the stories she has...  Did you know that there's an average number of people who die DAILY at that place?  I think it's like one or two or something, but, I mean, you certainly don't hear about it.  And they treat their employees like crap.  

Unlike Ben and Jerry's.  Do you guys know this?  Every employee of Ben and Jerry's gets to take home two pots of ice cream every night.  AND they're given a free gym membership with their job.  AND they're required to get cholesterol testing every six months.

Hilarious.  Plus, like Tom's of Maine, I think B&J's puts a certain percentage of their profit back into the community.

Nice.
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: marktwain on Mar 19, 2005, 12:24 PM
I just discovered Ben& Jerry's Dublin Mudslide - HOLY SHIT! So good!
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: EC on Mar 19, 2005, 03:23 PM
QuoteI just discovered Ben& Jerry's Dublin Mudslide - HOLY SHIT! So good!

Yeah.  Like, it's pretty stupid how good their flavours are.  I found one in Europe last year that we didn't have here:  caramel sutra.  Okay.  The entire middle is caramel.  It's crazy.



Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: PhOneWentDead on Mar 25, 2005, 08:35 PM
They Ran and The Bear were the first songs I heard and I was immmediately hooked...I agree there's something magical and mystical about this song...
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: MMJ_fanatic on Mar 31, 2005, 02:18 PM
QuoteOk, I like the idea of it being dead but still being able to "MOVE".  

I think the general premise is that activity doesn't really
cease even after death--things are still active or "moving"
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: sweatboard on Mar 31, 2005, 06:22 PM
I think "moveing" in a spiritual sense not in physical sense.  "IT STILL MOVES"  Remember, "none of this is physical at least not to me".
Title: Re: THE BEAR
Post by: EC on Mar 31, 2005, 11:16 PM
Or moving in an emotional sense, as in, "It Still Moves" [me even after all this time], or something similar.

I suppose it's meant to be left to interpretation...  In which case, we're all right, all the time, about everything, all at once, for ever.  :)