my MMJ profile. what kind of mmj fan are you?
This is me: what I have, order according to favorite listening experience as an album, and why
#1 At Dawn - never forget my first, a masterpiece.
#2 The Tennessee Fire - simply great
#3 Acoustic Citsuoca - wish it was album length
#4 It Still Moves - toward selling out maybe but very good
#5 Chocolate and Ice - extreme far out stuff, rocks!
#6 Return to Thunderdome - I was there.
#7 Ch2-Learning - two words "call Tyrone"
#8 does X-mas...- jj doin' new morning!
#9 Ch1-the sandworm - good healthy roots
#10 run thru(single)- breathin'
#11 songs:ohia - cool but weird (even for me)
anyone else?
I don't really see how "It still Moves" is "toward selling out". Is it because Dave Matthews label released it?
There aren't necessarily any "singles" on the album, per se. There are some DAMN fine songs, but nothing that screams "RADIO!" , which screams "SELL OUT!" to some people.
I'm not trying to give you a hard time. I guess I just want to see how you describe that...
don't get me wrong, it's a damn good album. I would love to hear any jacket song on the radio, and I don't know if the ATO influence is the variable factor. I realize that nothing stays the same and that every band evolves (at least the good ones) but I like the previous stuff a little better. I'm anxiously awaiting the new album to determine anything further. like analyzing history - you really can't classify the period while in it, time tells. When a new album comes out we can connect the dots and step back and check the line. MMj is my all time favorite - tied with the allman brother's band (I like their older stuff better too). None of their albums are even close to bad, yet.
Gotcha.
:)
:cheers
it still moves is great all around
cheers
I also vehemently disagree that It Still Moves in any way represents a sell out. First of all, getting music played on the radio is how most musicians get wide spread groups to listen to their music. Sucess does not directly equal sell out. I think of sell out when a band changes it's format and style to accomplish the above. Metallica sold out. They were popular, making good money, etc. Then they changed from long edgey songs to short radio friendly ones and hired Bon Jovi's producer. However, can we fault them for wanting to make more money?
I think anytime people are fans of a smaller, lesser known groups, their is a bit of jealosey when loads of other people are now into them too, and lots of them tend to be high school kids, people who like one radio song, or other lame sub groups. This is funny because often while the bands are smaller, the fans are constantly pushing them on people so they will listen to them.
Oh man, the Metallica "sell-out". I have some opinions on this one.
While I don't like the direction Metallica has gone since the Black Album, I really don't think they've completely sold out. Biggest reason being, as you get olde,r your attitude changes. Where you once an angst and anger filled 20-year-old who got drunk every night and was pissed at the world cuz he had no money, and now you're 40 something, making millions, living a very nice house and you have a family, finally got out of rehab for alcohol for the last time, and seem to have the world going for you, its hard to be pissed at social injustice.
Where albums like Master of Puppets and Ride the Lightning, and especially Justice, hold so muhc water when your a teenager or in your twenties and want to raise hell, as you egt old, you mellow out. you start writing softer stuff, or toning it down a bit. And, especially when you have as much clout as MEtallica, you earn the right to experiment a little. Some of it worked, some of it didn't, I'm sure they've learned that.
But here is my major gripe: For everyone who hates Metallica because of St. Anger - DON'T. That album, in my opinion, really was not meant to be released. Listen to how they made it. It was basically the four of them being completely pissed with eachother, were they were as a band, and just shit goign on in their lives, so they got together in a room and slammed their frustrations out while recording. Then, they pro-tools'ed it together. They didnt even record it as an album really, half of it was cut-and-paste from them just throwing down.
I think the reason they released was because they HAD to. The fans were getting anxious, we hadnt seen a studio album from them in years, and they realized, oh no, we have to release this. You can tell they don't love it, they don't really get cheers for it live, they've begunt hrowing solos into the new songs, the fans don't cheer for it in concert. They've learned their lesson, I'm sure, and I'm anxious to see them produce a new album. I'm not the hugest fan anymore, but I will most certainly buy any new material that they produce.
Oh come on now. There's plenty of reasons to not like Metallica, none of which are because of St. Anger.
Let's see:
-the Nazi-like nonsense about file sharing. Give me a break.
-the near stranglehold their music has on radio. Like cheeseburgers clogging arteries, "Master of Puppets" sounds more stale than Wham! played backwards. It won't be long now before they get lumped in with the other cryogenically frozen classic rock artists who have no career other than 4000 radio spins an hour.
Also, ISM a "sell out"?! That's as stale as Wham! played backwards. Come on, we've beat this dead horse and it's still dead. Give me critical response in a subjective comparision between the other records, not "they sold out". Franz Ferdinand sold out. Modest Mouse sold out. MMJ don't "sell out" anything except every concert venue they ever play at. Somehow I doubt we'll hear "Golden" on the OC or as the track hawking Preparation H. Just my two cents...
(John, I wish you wrote for music magazines. Seriously. :))
Eisey, you just proved that Metallica has sold out completely. "they released [St Anger] because they HAD to"...WHY? "fans were getting anxious" i.e. record sales down= greedy bastards making less money. The black album and those pansies cutting their hair was the end of Metallica. They are most likely the worst sellouts of ALL TIME! And yeah, bands evolve/its members get old (as do its fans), but do I want Metallica playing my polka music when im 90? No! They will continue to release soulless, worthless scum as long as the sheep continue to gobble it up (which reminds me of McDonalds).
Conaway:
Whew! I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who listens to Wham! backwards.
And wouldn't "Run Thru" make a great laxitive commercial? ;D
Quote(John, I wish you wrote for music magazines. Seriously. :))
ah, sweet dreams. in a perfect world, hell yes. but like my 'ol man used to say...
"you can wish in one hand and shit in the other, and see which one fills up first"
:)
and wham! backwards isn't nearly as bad as deep blue something and creed mixed together. ewwwwwww.
Quote Modest Mouse sold out.
True. But their latest cd is still really fucking amazing - at least as good as Lonesome Crowded West. So does it matter?
Quote"you can wish in one hand and shit in the other, and see which one fills up first"
Okay. I've been trying to make sense of this all day. In the end, I'd rather have a clear, shit-free hand, than a hand full of shit, I think. Who wants shit all over their hand?
;)
Good News was a great album, but I was disgusted when my sister told me that Modest Mouse was on the OC. I still love them though.
In three years when their next album is released, all of the little trendy teen fans that thought Good News was their debut album will have forgotten them.
For years and years I've been trying to sell out, but no one will buy me. What am I doing wrong?
PAjake, to get back to your post: why d'you think the Songs: Ohia split EP is weird? I still think it's one of their best releases ever...
I think Eisey you did help prove my point with your comments on St. Anger... while I agree with you on the evolution of an artist over time (it's been more pleasant with U2 than Metallica), St. Anger was kind of pitched as a "return" to their former style. Can anyone find one person who listen to Metallica preBlack album who doesn't think they've regressed since Bob Rock was brough on and they started doing video's, soundtracks, etc. What's next? A Burger King commercial?
Wham rules whatever direction you play it in.
Making money and selling out are not the same unless you are changing your style (either musically or in the way the artist comports themselves) in order to make money. I can't speak for Modest Mouse, but a buddy of mine is in a band Split Habit, who just had a song played on a recent episode of Smallville. These guys are the classic story. Their label folded, half of them live with your parents, they work shitty jobs on the side, none of them have any money at all, etc. I hardly view their music's appearence on Smallville a sign they are selling out.
QuoteFor years and years I've been trying to sell out, but no one will buy me. What am I doing wrong?
Nothing. You're too good. It scares them. :)
I never knew you were for sale O. If I buy you, will you move to Amerika? ;)
So bands like Modest Mouse and Franz Ferdinand are selling out because they are being played on MTV and have a song on a hit tv-series? Come on! The 'Selling Out' comment is used way to easy. So what if a band makes short catchys songs that get played on the radio a lot. You either like it or you don't. You guys make it sound like it's the easiest thing in the world to 'sell out' like you say it. 'OK now sell out time, let's write a short catchy song and we'll get on the radio and our music will be featured on a TV Show!' You should be glad bands like that get some attention. It sounds like some of you are never satisfied. You complain When it's all Britney and Backstreet on the radio and when a band like Modest Mouse gets a lot of airplay (do they really?), they're 'selling out'. ME, I would love to see MMJ getting played on MTV, it would be awesome to hear their music used in a TV series, even if it's OC, that would fucking kick ass man! You know, MMj is on a major, one of their songs was used in a beer commercial, that movie is coming up, they're getting more popular everyday, it's only a matter of time before their music pops up on MTv or a hit TV series and are you gonna call them sell-outs when that happens? You either like a band or you don't, it shouldn't matter where you hear their music being played. I say, the more places the better.
Oh please. That's totally different. Modest Mouse DOES get a lot of airplay here, and so does FF. There's getting exposure, and then there's exposure-so-great-that-small-aquatic-life-forms-in-Indonesia-have-the-notes-encoded-into-their-DNA. Which do you approve of?
Of course MMJ are going to get more popular, and invariably there will be such things as what you describe. I just don't see 10000000000 spins of their new single every hour as the best thing, IMHO.
QuoteOh please. That's totally different. Modest Mouse DOES get a lot of airplay here, and so does FF. There's getting exposure, and then there's exposure-so-great-that-small-aquatic-life-forms-in-Indonesia-have-the-notes-encoded-into-their-DNA. Which do you approve of?
Of course MMJ are going to get more popular, and invariably there will be such things as what you describe. I just don't see 10000000000 spins of their new single every hour as the best thing, IMHO.
I see what you mean with overexposure but just don't see how that makes a band a 'sell out'. I don't think it's fair to blame those bands just because they're getting played all over the place. It's really the music biz / media that's fucked up.
well, bands make decisions to either limit or maximize that exposure. there's a happy medium, and I'm sure we'd all agree that MMJ have struck a balance anyone could respect.
Quotewell, bands make decisions to either limit or maximize that exposure. there's a happy medium, and I'm sure we'd all agree that MMJ have struck a balance anyone could respect.
Nicely said John.
Some would say selling your music to use in a Coors commercial would be "selling out". Some would say being on MTV is "selling out". Some would say bringing a tamer product to record is "selling out". Some would say selling merchandise is "selling out". Some would say using drum tracks is "selling out". Some would say being played on the radio is "selling out". Some would say playing for money is "selling out". Who cares? I mean, you either like the music or you don't. You really think the members of Metallica are the same people as they were in 1983? No one changes in 22 years? So the new Metallica sux? So don't go see Metallica. I don't go see Aerosmith anymore b/c I am not into their new music. Are they "sell outs"? Who gives a shit; after they released Rocks, all bets were off. Aerosmith rocks, period. Right now My Morning jacket is probably my favorite band. I know at the 40 Watt Sat. night I was probably elbow to elbow with some folks who listen to music that I don't like (and perhaps those around me weren't big fans of Yo La Tengo or Neutral Milk Hotel or Bob Mould or Hank Snow or Built To Spill or Parker and Lilly)...Did all that really matter during the middle of OBH when everyone around me was losing their minds? And the drunk college kid who kept bouncing off me and holding on to me, who had the biggest grin on his face I have ever seen, does it matter to me that he might like Dave Matthews or he voted for Bush or perhaps is a Yankees fan? Absolutely not. It's rock and roll folks; either you like it or don't, but at some point, somewhere, EVERY band is a "sell out". Who cares?
again, it is a level of exposure that (for me and me alone) facilitates a sense of "oh brother, not that fucking Modest Mouse song again" pit-of-my-stomach nausea incurred...that's what I mean. Sure, what you mention (to some) would be the hallmarks of whatever it means to "sell out". But it's a matter of perspective: one man's meat is another man's poison.
I personally don't see anything wrong with making a living. Touring forever sounds like hell. Making a few bucks on the side with licensing is a good thing for the heroes at work here. Becoming the Anusol spokesman would make a case for the classic "selling out" rant. Again, it's all perspective and a level of obiquity that informs my opinion (and my opinion alone) on this.
Do I really care enough to have some sort of childish hissy fit if Jim showed up on the OC? Hell no! This is their band and their career-they are making the absolute best of it and my hat's off to them. Rawk on.
Jim on the OC, with Patrick in the back, mugging down on a couch with Rachel Bilson, Sept. Blues in the background...cooool! I'd watch the OC for that!
;) hehehe good one
haha if mmj made it on the OC, i might actually watch it. right now i'm scared of it. and peter gallagher's eyebrows.