Will you listen to it or do you want to wait for the actuall release date and buy it for the first listen. I for one would like to hear it as soon as possible. So if anyone finds a copy somewhere let me know. ;D I would think that sense Billboard has reviewed the entire album already that there are copies floating around out there just waiting to find the internet.
don't get your hopes up.
all review copies have a revolutionary non-conducting leak-resistant jacket.
Shit
Quotedon't get your hopes up.
all review copies have a revolutionary non-conducting leak-resistant jacket.
that is the most awesome response, uncle riny!
Quotedon't get your hopes up.
all review copies have a revolutionary non-conducting leak-resistant jacket.
Is that anything like a My Morning Jacket? ;)
I was lucky enough to hear a few tracks of the album but there's no way I'm going to leak anything. The only thing I can tell you is...the album comes out September 20th!
Of course, I'd listen to it!!!
There is that most excellent website from the netherlands that always has new album previews, recently White Stripes, M. Ward, Kings of Leon. It currently has the new Sufjan Stevens(out July 5) and Warp Records Jamie Lidell's new album on there among others. Of course this is pure speculation but it might be a good bet (Bookmark that mofo):
http://www.vpro.nl/3voor12/luisterpaal/luisterpaalmain.shtml
I'm buying quite a few copies when Z hits.
nah i always prefer to wait. it makes buying the actual disc way more exciting and fresh!!! i'll listen to the single or see a video though if there is one.
I think that in order to convince people to buy the actuall disc instead of downloading they should include a dvd with the cd. Studio footage or live stuff, or interviews.
QuoteI think that in order to convince people to buy the actuall disc instead of downloading they should include a dvd with the cd. Studio footage or live stuff, or interviews.
oh come on now. it's not enough to be a new MMJ record?
i'll wait. it makes the first time through that much better
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oh come on now. it's not enough to be a new MMJ record?
In this day and age.......NO. I mean, it's quite enough for me but, many casual fans will only download the album. I will probably download the album and then procede to sink hundreds of dollars into concert tickets, vinyl records, and what not. I would really enjoy it if the just had some video footage from the studio with the record, leave it to MMJ to come up with something more clever though. I could see Jim putting out a dvd with them dressed up as Dr. Teeth and The Electric Mayhem while playing the theme to Dukes of Hazzard in the middle of Time Square or something like that.
mmj is the kind of band that doesnt need gimmicks to sell music. not that concert footage would be a gimmick, but some bands today use all those "extras" to entice readers to buy new cds. this isn't to say that i wouldn't love something like that, but ten songs from my favorite band is more than enough to make me happy. at least with them it's about one thing: the music.
Unfortunatly, for ATO/RCA it's also about selling records. Which I understand, and why I'm also willing to wait patiently untill the Sep. 20th release date. Now if someone were to float a copy of an already mixed and mastered album I would have no problem downloading it and enjoying it today. In addition to holding the release date ATO could also consider providing an incentive to those considering buying the CD in order to sell even more CD's. I would not have anything against them providing extra material with my store bought CD, in fact I would be excited about it. It's a Win, Win situation. I don't believe this strategy by RECORD COMPANIES compramises the bands integrity in any way.
"mmj is the kind of band that doesnt need gimmicks to sell music. "
MMJ might not need gimicks for thier music to be enjoyed but it has gotten to a point that every band need's to consider how they can sell records instead of (or as well as) having them downloaded for free off the net. That is a FACT.
Quote"mmj is the kind of band that doesnt need gimmicks to sell music. "
MMJ might not need gimicks for thier music to be enjoyed but it has gotten to a point that every band need's to consider how they can sell records instead of (or as well as) having them downloaded for free off the net. That is a FACT.
true, but the only people who are really gonna be concerned with live concert footage or interviews with patrick and jim are the type of people who read these boards. most casual music listeners will be content to steal the cd off limewire. i don't believe my morning jacket is big enough yet to be able to win fan's purchases through extras. it's not like U2, or a similar big band who can get away with selling bono's image on a dvd or something. a person is going to buy Z because they KNOW and LIKE the band. a dude in a record store or on amazon.com is not gonna be swayed into buying Z because it promises interviews with Tommy or clips from the higher ground show.
the way this record could win mmj a bigger fanbase is if it gets more stellar reviews, generates more publicity, gets more people at the shows and converts more people into fans who will buy an album because they support the band.
either way, i'm pumped about the album and i'll buy it however it comes.
Very good points, October. I'm troubled by the idea that the CD isn't enough-perhaps I'm showing my age here. I can recall a time when a new record (as in vinyl) would come out. Shit, I'd spend hours just reading the words all over the sleeves as I was listening. More often than not, there weren't even pictures of the band on them-so you had no idea what the band even looked like, let alone had footage of them playing live. And that was way more than enough, but again-perhaps that age has passed. (sob)
The other side of this is production costs. If the first 100K pressings don't have these features, are you saying they won't get sold? Somehow I doubt that...
Would you believe that I don't own a single My Morning Jacket CD other than Acoustic Citsuoca. It's true.
I don't understand what people have against *Bonus* material ???, if a band and a record company decide to throw in an additional disc and you don't believe in it you could always use it as a coster, or a frisbee, or shit on it and light it on fire. I'll be perfectly happy with just the music on the album but if they were to include some video footage I might like to watch it and I might very well even enjoy it.
QuoteVery good points, October. I'm troubled by the idea that the CD isn't enough-perhaps I'm showing my age here. I can recall a time when a new record (as in vinyl) would come out. Shit, I'd spend hours just reading the words all over the sleeves as I was listening. More often than not, there weren't even pictures of the band on them-so you had no idea what the band even looked like, let alone had footage of them playing live. And that was way more than enough, but again-perhaps that age has passed. (sob)
the other night i took out my copy of at dawn and realized i had never really read the liner notes and stuff and the thank you's. so i did it, and looked at the little drawings and pictures, and there's just something great about having that, and not just an mp3 file on a computer. granted, there are tons of bands where i'm content just to own their music on mp3 files, but yea, when i was younger i used to love getting a cd and just sitting with the lyrics and listening. it's kind of an experience for me if its a band i really like.
anyway, the cd will sell. we will buy it, it will be great. and hopefully, like i said, it will get great reviews, get people talkin, get fresh faces to shows and make them believers.
Right On.
QuoteI don't understand what people have against *Bonus* material ???, if a band and a record company decide to throw in an additional disc and you don't believe in it you could always use it as a coster, or a frisbee, or shit on it and light it on fire. I'll be perfectly happy with just the music on the album but if they were to include some video footage I might like to watch it and I might very well even enjoy it.
I've got nothing against bonus material, but you were saying it won't sell without it, to which I was taking issue with that point in particular. Your point that people will just download it without bonus material is troublesome to me-if it's got bonus material on it, what's to stop someone from downloading that too?
I'm just sayin'...
but i do agree they need some sort of "gimmick" for the hungry fans. i would love to see a music video or a single or something just to hold me over until september. some people call it a "sell out" gimmick or something like that, but the truth of it all is money makes the world go 'round, and we already know ATO/RCA has (thankfully) invested alot of their money in this record so we shouldnt bitch about them wanting to make a little of it back.
sometimes i wonder if some of you would still hang around if and when the jacket gets "big enough to include bonus dvd material". i think in the back of everyone's mind there's this lingering feeling of "this is my band i wanna keep it all warm and cozy and personal" but i would love to see them bust into the limelight because i believe from my personal encounters with them that they're the most humble guys and it would be awesome to spread the word to a broader and a harder to reach group of misguided people reminding them of the times when it was good enough to be just about the music and not the clothes and the look and whatever else that's superficial. i know that all exists in our minds but the thing that's good about it is it's all our own interpretations.. it wasnt imposed on us or anything like that.. we just wrapped all this mystery around us and made our own meanings for it. and i think in a society infested with people with no desire for forethought or imagination, the jacket could be a good thing.
i actually dont know why i wrote all this it's just kinda been on my mind lately with this whole new album coming out soon.
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I've got nothing against bonus material, but you were saying it won't sell without it, to which I was taking issue with that point in particular. Your point that people will just download it without bonus material is troublesome to me-if it's got bonus material on it, what's to stop someone from downloading that too?
I'm just sayin'...
John it may be troublesome to you and I understand that, but it doesn't change the way things are. As far as Bonus Material goes, most people don't own dvd burners. That is the reasoning behind bonus dvd discs. I wonder how people that are taking issue with my comment about *Bonus* material feel about waiting until September for the release of the album. I mean it seems to me the album is ready to go and we're just waiting on the record so they can sell more copies when it finally does come out. What is the difference between that and including Bonus Material? I'm not taking issue with waiting because it's their record and they can do whatever they want with it. I'll wait patiently and If someone stumbles upon a copy before then and wants to float it my way then I'll listen to it. I won't be the one to go and post it all over the internet and share it with a bunch of people but I would definatly listen to it.
QuoteWould you believe that I don't own a single My Morning Jacket CD other than Acoustic Citsuoca. It's true.
Dude...turn in your Jacketeer license at once. ;D
Yeah, if it wasn't for downloading I would probably have never even listened to My Morning Jacket. I read a lot of album reviews on the internet and if I like the sound of the review I'll download the album. I think many people do the same. Now, say you download the album and really like the music, why would you go buy the cd?
Answer: If it has bonus material.
If you want to still sell your cd's these days you have to be a little creative, don't go out and take people to court and try and shut down file sharing sites. I'm of the oppinion that the internet has done amazing things for music.
Hey, guys. I'd just like to mention that all you are talking about is the album sales, which affect ATO way more than it does the band. The band makes their money with concerts, beer commercials, and Hollywood films, they don't need the earnings from the album. That said. I think that some people, like myself, chose to buy the CD to support the band, have the liner notes, and the lossless disc. Also, a lot of people just don't know how to download albums. MMJ did put an extra disc in the first copies of At Dawn but not as a gimmick as a extra gift and to get it out there. I don't think it is necessary for them to try to boost albums sales with any bonus material. But I wouldn't turn down any bonuses either. That's my two cents!
Bonus material is better...bumper stickers should be issued. ;)
what was that?
that gentleman said, 'bonus material is better. bumper stickers should be issued.
all in favor of what he said, signify by saying 'aye!'
if however, you are opposed, signify by saying, 'no!'
definitely gets an effin "aye"
I just want to hear the music....have it absorb into my head and my heart. I don't care how. I love to collect music-- cd's and vinyl, bonus, limited edition stuff-- but in the end i just want the music to take me away from this world when it gets too hard. However the Jacket sees fit to do that, I'm there!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just want a damn bonus disk.
Hehe... I just thought of something: if they would actually release Z with a bonus disc, we're all going to wonder if they did just to please sweatboard... :)
If the Bonus disc is them covering the Pina Colada song on the Omnichord then we'll really know. ;)
I just obtained a leaked copy of Z so... yeah, I'm listening to it. Like most albums, I'll probably hold out until a concert to buy it. The bands get more money from that purchase than if I get it at Best Buy or something.
My opinion on the necessity of bonus materials is that a sticker would probably be enough to get me to buy an album if I were still on the fence about it. A good sticker, not some little piece of crap.
Back in the day when "Enhanced CDs" were all the rage, I'm pretty sure I never took the time to put one in my CD-ROM to see what was on it. Including a DVD would be a different story. I bought a Sigur Ros CD single simply because it came with a three video DVD. I'd seen the videos online but it was much cooler to have an actual high quality copy.