Say it ain't so...
I was on Amazon the other day and saw that they have MMJ's new CD listed as copy-controlled.
First off, can anyone actually validate that?
If it's true, I might have to buy the CD as well as the mp3's online. Or maybe neither. Damn you ATO!
Secondly, is anyone else outraged by this?
QuoteSay it ain't so...
I was on Amazon the other day and saw that they have MMJ's new CD listed as copy-controlled.
First off, can anyone actually validate that?
If it's true, I might have to buy the CD as well as the mp3's online. Or maybe neither. Damn you ATO!
Secondly, is anyone else outraged by this?
I'm not outraged.
I posted about this the other day...that's the way my promo copy is.You can send some tunes to people via email but the links expire after a period of time too.It does allow you to make one back up copy for your own use so I don't have a problem with that...I never burn commercial discs anyway.
so far every other album that has come copy controlled there has been a way around the control and you can easily copy, rip or whatever with it so i wouldn't be too worried
But isn't it like, stealing?
I mean I know people do it, but you can't blame the record companies for trying to stop you. I don't care much about record company executives having another yacht or whatever, but I do think the musicians have a right to their fair share.
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Secondly, is anyone else outraged by this?
Not outraged but very pissed off.
I'm a collector of music & MUST always have the original copy. A) because I know that downloading & filesharing without paying for it is illegal & want to support the bands, B) because I want to have the CD with the inlay card & cover etc.
If someone gives me a burnt CD & I like it then I HAVE to buy the original.
This said, I also can't live without my MP3 player.
So yes, it pisses me off that I won't be able to listen to the new MMJ CD in my player.
Why should honest people like myself have to suffer the faults of others?
Such is life I guess...
QuoteBut isn't it like, stealing?
I mean I know people do it, but you can't blame the record companies for trying to stop you. I don't care much about record company executives having another yacht or whatever, but I do think the musicians have a right to their fair share.
Not if I've bought my own copy & then want to burn it so I can listen to it on my MP3 player or want to put a track on a mix CD for my own listening pleasure.
i'm not outraged, but i hope i can put Z on itunes for personal use.
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Not if I've bought my own copy & then want to burn it so I can listen to it on my MP3 player or want to put a track on a mix CD for my own listening pleasure.
Yeah, I usually make a copy for my car. And sometimes compilations. It is a bummer I won't be able to do that.
To clarify my position, I love getting burnt copies from friends, but it's very much on a 'see if you like this' basis. I always buy my own copy if I want it. Dragonboy's right - a CD's really no good without the art work and cover notes. I also like a copy for my car so that when I brake I don't scatter the real thing on the floor (that happens to me a lot). It seems the problem is with people who copy/download without paying. You can't blame the record companies for trying to stop that. It's unfortunate for the 'ethical' copiers though.
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Not outraged but very pissed off.
I'm a collector of music & MUST always have the original copy. A) because I know that downloading & filesharing without paying for it is illegal & want to support the bands, B) because I want to have the CD with the inlay card & cover etc.
If someone gives me a burnt CD & I like it then I HAVE to buy the original.
This said, I also can't live without my MP3 player.
So yes, it pisses me off that I won't be able to listen to the new MMJ CD in my player.
Why should honest people like myself have to suffer the faults of others?
Such is life I guess...
i agree with everything you said.
well put
not really, its fine with me.
Usually stand-alone CD recorders (not computer) can copy them with no problem......I just HATE the huge COPY PROTECTED logo warnings all over the damn thing. Some copies of the new Paul McCartney CD have the Copy Protected warning RIGHT ON THE CD COVER BOOKLET. That's bull.
yeah, any idea if this prevents me from uploading it to iTunes? Seeing as I do most of my listening after importing to my laptop then hooking that into my stereo?
QuoteUsually stand-alone CD recorders (not computer) can copy them with no problem......I just HATE the huge COPY PROTECTED logo warnings all over the damn thing. Some copies of the new Paul McCartney CD have the Copy Protected warning RIGHT ON THE CD COVER BOOKLET. That's bull.
Yeah, I absolutely hate that too. Damn, that logo is ugly and fucking huge. Well, another reason to buy the vinyl edition...
Quoteyeah, any idea if this prevents me from uploading it to iTunes? Seeing as I do most of my listening after importing to my laptop then hooking that into my stereo?
I think that you're out of luck, too. The E-town EP is copy protected and I can't even figure out how to listen to it on my computer, let alone put it into itunes. I think this has been mentioned but I make copies of my CDs because they get scratched so easily and I don't want to screw up the original. Plus I usually have one for the car and one for home, And the shitty part is that you know someone is going to figure out how to rip the CD for filesharing anyway so it will be everyone else who ends up getting screwed on this deal. :(
well, if theres a way to make one copy, then i can probably get it into iTune after the fact. i think that stuff tends to not carrry over.
if it comes down to it, i might just buy it on itunes. i have already pre-ordered the cd and vinyl and had planned on buying another copy the day it comes out.
I'm talkin' RIGHT on the front cover booklet! Here's a scan...
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total bull.
That's not a sticker?!!
No way! >:(
QuoteI'm talkin' RIGHT on the front cover booklet! Here's a scan...
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total bull.
sucks...mine didnt have that...and wasnt copy protected either
no.. the backup copy is the same.. i have a copy of the promo cd and it's the exact same as the original except the option to copy the disc is grayed out
I personally don't own any copy-protected cds, but it disappointed me to see that Z would be one.
riny? any clue if we'll be able to import to iTunes?
I really don't know. I'll see if I can find out.
what we have here is a good ol fashioned debate on this topic in the making. ;)
whats copy controlled mean?
Quotewhats copy controlled mean?
Means you can't burn copies of it,or in the case of Z ,you can only burn one copy...the copy you burn is also protected.
I HATE Copy protection.
I don't think anyone should tell me how and where i can listen to my music...
I bought the newest Frank Black CD recently and it won't play in the cd player in my VW Golf. but every other CD i own does. It sucks
Hopefully Z won't be like that.
I can always find a way around the protection and make a copy that will play everywhere, but i shouldn't have to. I bought the album its mine to do with as i like...
QuoteI HATE Copy protection.
I don't think anyone should tell me how and where i can listen to my music...
I bought the newest Frank Black CD recently and it won't play in the cd player in my VW Golf. but every other CD i own does. It sucks
Hopefully Z won't be like that.
I can always find a way around the protection and make a copy that will play everywhere, but i shouldn't have to. I bought the album its mine to do with as i like...
I'm sure you've read up on DMCA and all that, the reason behind copy protected CD's, so I won't bore you.
The fact is that this debate has been around since the dawn of P2P networks. I find it amazing it took this long for this to reach the board here, but I guess since this is the first MMJ cd to have protection so that brings the "debate" up again.
I'm not sure what exactly to say about it; I'm all about live music trading, which isn't burdened with protection (if band approved), but I've got some mixed feelings about copyright protection per se. I can't decide if "owning" a CD means I can do whatever with it-including offering it up to trade with 100000000 other folks.
Just because the world does it, doesn't mean it's right. Feel free to flame away, I'm just on the fence about this.
QuoteI HATE Copy protection.
I don't think anyone should tell me how and where i can listen to my music...
I bought the newest Frank Black CD recently and it won't play in the cd player in my VW Golf. but every other CD i own does. It sucks
Hopefully Z won't be like that.
I can always find a way around the protection and make a copy that will play everywhere, but i shouldn't have to. I bought the album its mine to do with as i like...
honeycomb was copy controlled? really?
I guess with this issue, I think about tapes. Mixed tapes in particular. I loved them. They held a very special place for most of the beginnings (and endings) of relationships. Or new friends.
That part stinks.
And it's kind of like saying "We don't trust you, so we're just gonna make sure you won't do it." But the problem is that people (sometimes honest people) get fucked if the cds can't play on their various media forms.
i think the concept is good, but maybe they should find a way that you can import it onto your computer as a protected file, like the Protected AAC files you get when you buy music from the iTunes store. I'm sure they could work that out. It just sucks, because my stereo consists of me plugging my computer into my Dad's 30 year old Pioneer receiver and speakers, so it sounds great, it's just that this kind of CD won't let me do that.
I think the big question is, what kind of sacrifice do you want to make?
Do you want to let it not be protected, like almost every other cd, allow people to make mixtapes and burn illegit copies for eachother so as to turn people onto the band and promote sales, if the numbers of the promotion are not insanely great.
Or do you want to prevent this type of trading, turn people off, because they can't play it in their computers, or even in some cars. It's a format that needs a lot more research and practice before it will really be actually useful, because right now, it really is just a nuisance. True, it may be the "better" option, so as to prevent online trading, but the true fans out there, and the number is steadily growing with each show with Wilco, with every bonnaroo performance, every appearance on Conan, with each amazingly kickass show that someone goes to with their friend. People are getting turned on. They may still be a little underground, and thats not a bad thing. People know about them, you just have to know where to look.
And here's a new debate. I was thinking yesterday, I hope MMJ never contributes a track to the OC, not because I want to keep them in my pocket, but because the popularity will take a turn for the worse. If people find it "cool" to like them and go get Z and are enthralled, and then pick up the earlier stuff and it's waaay to country or classic rock or southern rock for them and they just like the new stuff, the fan base will begin to suck. I don't know, I think the fact that they are making low-key appearances in interesting places is giving them a little shove, it's helping us fans to be able to spread the word.
"What was that kickass song in that Coors commercial?"
I guess, it boils down to the fact that I don't think the copy protection is necessary. It is nice to know that you are safeguarded against the perils of the internet, but I think that too much worry in that aspect could give a nod to the wrong direction. I will respect their decision, though, as I think we all should. It's their music, to do what they want with. I think we should respect them enough not to file-host on Kazaa or whatever in the first place, anyways.
gosh...
my posts are always frickin dissertations
(people keep mentioning OC, and I have to admit once again that I don't know what that means. Damnit. What does it mean?)
In lieu or my ignorance, I will offer suggestions:
Octopus Club
Orange Car
Oregano Curry (wait, I said oregano for something once - did somebody already tell me what it was and I've forgotten?)
Ox Cluck
Ogre Creon
Ozzy Crew
Orchestral Clutch
Ono Confusion
Offered Confession
Operating Crush
Olive Cacaphony
Ohio Cellophane
stop.
I think that the P2Pers will find a way around the copy protection and the honest people won't. That's what I think sucks about it. Oh and yeah the mix CD thing. Oh and the making copies so you don't have to be uptight about scratching your CD. Oh and everything else about it.
btw, now I'm REALLY glad that I got the "leaked" mp3s, because I can use those to make mixes and everything else. Further proving my point: the more honest you are, the more you are going to get screwed by copy-protection policies.
I think it's a TV show. I think it stands for Orange County. I think :-/
Ugh. This entire post was wrong.
What I meant to say was that aMillionDreams is almost on the dodgeball team.
QuoteI think it's a TV show. I think it stands for Orange County. I think :-/
Whoops, posted before I saw that. Thanks, doctor.
(Orange County like the movie? Like, perhaps the worst movie ever made aside from Spanglish? I. do. not. understand. tv.)
OC is a horrible teenage soap opera along the lines of Beverly Hills 90210. It sucks almost as bad as copy-protected CDs.
hahaha,
yeah. The OC is some terrible sex-laden teenage soap opera which, for some reason, almost everybody my age loves. It's actually pretty pathetic.
BUT, not as pathetic as copy-controlled CD's.
aMD, we finally agree on something. Except that compilation discs full of rare cover tunes kick royal ass.
It's not the OC, but there is a new crime drama coming on ABC this fall called "In Justice". My wife got to bring home preview DVDs of their new fall lineup and mid-season replacements earlier this summer. We watched all of them and this one happened to be the best. Did I mention that they used "One Big Holiday" between scenes of the premier episode?
I don't mind the whole copy thing but I better be able to get this on my i-pod or else... SUCK.
welll, see... the way to get around it is to buy it on iTunes and then burn it, then re-import it and voila, no protection.
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I'm not sure what exactly to say about it; I'm all about live music trading, which isn't burdened with protection (if band approved), but I've got some mixed feelings about copyright protection per se. I can't decide if "owning" a CD means I can do whatever with it-including offering it up to trade with 100000000 other folks.
Just because the world does it, doesn't mean it's right. Feel free to flame away, I'm just on the fence about this.
I have no intention of trading with anyone else.
Like I posted before, I want to have an original copy because I'm a CD collector & I want to be able to put it on my MP3 player because I need music with me all the time but I can't do that if the CD is copy-controlled.
Quotewelll, see... the way to get around it is to buy it on iTunes and then burn it, then re-import it and voila, no protection.
Voila, no coverwork. :(
I think the last Dave Matthews Band album was copy protected and I was able to get it onto my computer... so yeah, thats that...
ps. that new DMB album really isnt that great
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Voila, no coverwork. Ê:(
well...i already bought the physical album. i guess i'm ok with buying it twice
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well...i already bought the physical album. i guess i'm ok with buying it twice
Eisey, you're good dude. :)
did we ever figure out if the leaked album was finished (mastered, etc.) If so, you all can just obtain this album from those of us who have it (to put onto itunes, make copies), and that way you bought the album and have it on your mp3 player as well.
The leaked album was not the finished mastered Z that will be released on the 4th.
:)
I'm sure there will be a way around the copy protection there always is...
some copy controlled CDs can be ripped into iTunes but not with other programs, so this could be the same way. Or there might be a patch you can get to defeat the copy control, I've seen those before.