I'm sorry to start a negative thread the day that Z drops, but I wouldn't be so upset if I could listen to it! I can't hear or upload it on my computer. Some of us were upset over the possibility of this happening but Riny assured us there was nothing to worry about. Who was that message from, Riny? I have an angry letter to write! >:(
QuoteI'm sorry to start a negative thread the day that Z drops, but I wouldn't be so upset if I could listen to it! I can't hear or upload it on my computer. Some of us were upset over the possibility of this happening but Riny assured us there was nothing to worry about. Who was that message from, Riny? I have an angry letter to write! >:(
This is weird... I had zero problems loading it onto my computer. I put it in and then it just kind of did everything for me.
What kind of computer do you have?
it's a PC, HP, Windows XP. I don't run IE, so that may be a problem. All this stuff pops up saying it's verifying stuff and then it disappears and nothing happens. Realplayer says no disc in drive, windows plays it with skips, and if I open it through explore the same thing happens when I pop it into the drive. AAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! >:( >:(
not sure what the problem is. it should be able to play.
have you read the other threads? maybe there's something in there that helps.
Quoteit's a PC, HP, Windows XP. I don't run IE, so that may be a problem. All this stuff pops up saying it's verifying stuff and then it disappears and nothing happens. Realplayer says no disc in drive, windows plays it with skips, and if I open it through explore the same thing happens when I pop it into the drive. AAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! >:( >:(
Huh. I have a PC with Windows XP, too. I usually use Mozilla for my browser. I think I exited all programs before starting up the cd. I just went into the "My Computer" section and clicked on my E drive, and it began.
Let me just check and see if there's a help section or anything...
Quotenot sure what the problem is. it should be able to play.
have you read the other threads? maybe there's something in there that helps.
yeah, I read that stuff save the 25 page dissertation by the Princeton computer science student. I can't invest that much time to it. Does anyone else know what the problem is? How do I get this mystical window to pop up?
Btw, I fucking hate record companies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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yeah, I read that stuff save the 25 page dissertation by the Princeton computer science student. I can't invest that much time to it. Does anyone else know what the problem is? How do I get this mystical window to pop up?
Btw, I fucking hate record companies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Okay, let's just take a deep breath here..... ahhhhhhh.
I sent you a pm. We'll get you working.
(You're sure you have enough space on your hard drive, right?)
When I click on the specific drive a bar pops up saying My Morning Jacket and it says "verifying component definitions" underneath it. Then, the bar disappears and... nothing!!!!
If anyone has the same problem and figures it out, please let me know.
QuoteWhen I click on the specific drive a bar pops up saying My Morning Jacket and it says "verifying component definitions" underneath it. Then, the bar disappears and... nothing!!!!
If anyone has the same problem and figures it out, please let me know.
Dudes, whoever has a PC and hasn't put it on their computer yet, can you do that and let aMD know what happens?
Another fucked up thing about this copyright bullshit is that you can't load it into itunes. Which really pisses me off, seeing as how after I buy cds I immediately import them on to my ipod so I can play them in my car (I don't have a cd player in my car, just an ipod w/ itrip). And I am sure as hell not going to purchase it a second time on itunes. It would be super awesome for the stick-up-the- ass suits at the record company to give the legitimate cd buyers some kind of code to allow itunes importing without having to purchase through itunes.
P.S. The album is great
Okay, that's weird too, because when mine loaded up, it gave me an option of transferring to an iPod or whatever...
Well, mine loads up and allows me to import it, however it skips once I play it back through itunes. It also won't allow itunes to convert the WMA file to an Mpeg4 file. It let's you get all the way up to the conversion step, and then when you try,it says something like "Could not be converted."
I think this record company copy protection fanaticism is getting waaaaaaaaay out of hand. It's hard to not feel decieved or straight up RIPPED OFF when you buy a CD with no kind of indication on the cover sleeve that its got this copy protect software on it.
I mean, really, who is feeding MMJ tunes to the file-sharing networks?! Not me! Why should the average fan who goes out and buys the CD on the day its released have to go through all this hassle just to load it on their iPod or listen to it on their computer? I also bought the new Broken Social Scene, Franz Ferdinand (spare me yr music snob elitism) and Deftones, and none of them have all this protection bullshit on them.
I think its insulting to the fans when bands allow record labels to treat them like this. I paid for it; I should have the right to do whatever the fuck I want to with it!
Anyone?
Okay, so aMD, I stuck the cd in again, and it just started to automatically load. It said verifying components, and then it went to this thing called media max, and then initializing, and then it just loaded up into the MMJ playing station.
Each section took a little while, though...
p.s. Is anyone seeing this thread double, or am I wasted?
It's there twice for some reason.
QuoteI think this record company copy protection fanaticism is getting waaaaaaaaay out of hand. It's hard to not feel decieved or straight up RIPPED OFF when you buy a CD with no kind of indication on the cover sleeve that its got this copy protect software on it.
I mean, really, who is feeding MMJ tunes to the file-sharing networks?! Not me! Why should the average fan who goes out and buys the CD on the day its released have to go through all this hassle just to load it on their iPod or listen to it on their computer? I also bought the new Broken Social Scene, Franz Ferdinand (spare me yr music snob elitism) and Deftones, and none of them have all this protection bullshit on them.
I think its insulting to the fans when bands allow record labels to treat them like this. I paid for; I should have the right to do whatever the fuck I want to with it!
Anyone?
Amen, brother!
EC, still no luck despite your attempts to help. And I do see a double of this thread. trippy
I used Exact Audio Copy to put mp3s of Z on my computer without problems. It's a program that rips wav files off of a computer, but can also then convert them to mp3s with the LAME add-on.
EAC is considered by most traders to be the most accurate ripper out there.... and it's free.
Just google it.
you da man. I knew that some electronic macguyver would show me the true path of getting around this bullshit. :)
i second EAC, it's easy to use.
and it plays!!! thanks to all ya peeps for your help. I've cooled down a little bit but I still don't understand the point of this copy-protection bullshit!
i am quite pissed off and confused too. i read that the cd was not compatable with itunes, which is quite irritating, being that when i leave the house, i never bring cds, i have all of my stuff on my ipod.
Just get EAC. Even if you don't get the mp3 plugin, you can rip it as wavs and convert to mp3 with whatever converter that you normally use.
oops, sorry, i didn't see the second page when i posted, i'll try EAC out.
oh and i am not really pissed off, i just didn't expect the whole copy protection thing to be not allow play on itunes.
Word.
Looks like it worked out for aMD, so it should work for you too.
I converted a wav to mp3 today with Itunes, so that should be gravy.
http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/
Just to make it one step easier for other people that may hit a snag.
i downloaded EAC and have converted two tracks to wav but they still skip, know what i'm doing wrong?
go to that princeton article that you deemed so unable to help, and scroll to about midpage...it tells you exactly what to do so u can use itunes or any other program without a problem and plus this way u dont have to download an extra cd ripping program
Quotego to that princeton article that you deemed so unable to help, and scroll to about midpage...it tells you exactly what to do so u can use itunes or any other program without a problem and plus this way u dont have to download an extra cd ripping program
??? i don't recall a Princeton article
anyway, does anyone know what i might be doing wrong, i put Z in and highlighted the track and clicked wav and the converted tracks skip.
Hello everyone.
I've never posted on this board until now.
But I just bought "Z" and got it home to rip onto my iPod (like I do with all of the CDs I buy), and I am ABSOLUTELY FURIOUS that it's making me not only accept a user agreement, but install a separate program simply to be able to listen to the CD!
I love My Morning Jacket, and I am dying to hear "Z", but this is just too much. BMG is showing a complete lack of respect for them people who are actually SUPPORTING them buy actually paying for their records! Unbelievable! (Well... VERY believable, really).
But believe me that I'm returning the CD to the record store tomorrow (even though it isn't their fault). There are other ways to listen to this album.
Won't some of you join me?
-Steve
here it is:
http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~jhalderm/cd3/
QuoteHello everyone.
I've never posted on this board until now.
But I just bought "Z" and got it home to rip onto my iPod (like I do with all of the CDs I buy), and I am ABSOLUTELY FURIOUS that it's making me not only accept a user agreement, but install a separate program simply to be able to listen to the CD!
I love My Morning Jacket, and I am dying to hear "Z", but this is just too much. BMG is showing a complete lack of respect for them people who are actually SUPPORTING them buy actually paying for their records! Unbelievable! (Well... VERY believable, really).
But believe me that I'm returning the CD to the record store tomorrow (even though it isn't their fault). There are other ways to listen to this album.
Won't some of you join me?
-Steve
I know what you mean, Steve. I'm not going to return my copy, but I'm certainly not going to buy more copies of it either. There are people on this board buying a third or fourth copy of this album so that they can listen to it in their cars/at home/on itunes. I think it's disgraceful how ATO is milking honest fans of more money through these means. Sure, offer an extra song or an EP but encrypting the discs so that you can't listen to them on certain machines is over the line. I think that returning a CD because it is copy-protected is completely understandable. Maybe it will send ATO is message!
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I know what you mean, Steve. I'm not going to return my copy, but I'm certainly not going to buy more copies of it either. There are people on this board buying a third or fourth copy of this album so that they can listen to it in their cars/at home/on itunes. I think it's disgraceful how ATO is milking honest fans of more money through these means. Sure, offer an extra song or an EP but encrypting the discs so that you can't listen to them on certain machines is over the line. I think that returning a CD because it is copy-protected is completely understandable. Maybe it will send ATO is message!
it's not ATO it's their parent company RCA whose fault it is as they did the same thing for the newest foo fighters cd using the same sunncomm software, and there is a way around it, just look in that princeton article and it's really not that hard to do he explains its fairly straight-forward i mean i'm not tooo familiar with computers and i got it to work, you all need a lesson in patience if you can't handle the easy directions in that princeton article, theres no reason to buy another copy of the album on itunes at all...
Wow.
My spelling and grammar was terrible in that post of mine. My apologies! That's what I get for typing while mad and in a hurry, I suppose.
I know I sound like a loser when I say this, but this whole copy protection thing has completely ruined my night.
I went to www.sunncomm.com/support/sonybmg (which is listed on the back of the CD tray) to see what they had to say, and to try to find any sort of feedback form (wishful thinking, I suppose), and it was very interesting to read what they have to say about the incompatability with iTunes and iPods...
" Sony BMG wants music to be easily transferable to any device that supports secure music. Currently, music from our protected CDs may be transferred to hundreds of such devices, as both Microsoft and Sony have assisted to make the user experience on our discs as seamless as possible with their secure formats.
Unfortunately, in order to directly and smoothly rip content into iTunes it requires the assistance of Apple. To date, Apple has not been willing to cooperate with our protection vendors to make ripping to iTunes and to the iPod a simple experience.
If you believe that you should be able to easily move tracks from your protected CD to your iPod then we encourage you to use the following link to contact Apple directly and tell them so."
So basically what they're saying is, "DON'T BLAME US! BLAME APPLE! And forget about the fact that BMG (etc.) has completely embraced Apple's Music Store to sell their albums, yet suddenly won't allow people who use Apple's programs to rip music from legally purchased CDs." Of course, this comes from the company that designed the security software, not the record company itself, so we can throw accountablity right out the window! But isn't that the case with anything and everything nowadays?
What a crock. What a complete crock.
All I want to do is listen to this stupid CD.
(And no, I don't have an actual CD player. Who needs those nowadays, right? HAH!)
I wouldn't be nearly as mad if they would simply put a notice somewhere on the packaging that special software is required to install in order to play it.
At least I can listen to this new Magic Numbers album.
-Steve
strange thing is, though it won't work with iTunes on a PC, it doesnt even have a user lisence agreement to agree to when you open in on a Mac. It's weird. My suggestion, just go get a friend with a Mac to upload it and burn it for you, and then you can do all the illegality you want with it. Just joshin, but seriously, there's no protection against Mac users.
again from the princeton article...it's really worth the read
"Computers running Linux or Mac OS 9 can't run the MediaMax software at all, so they can always copy the recording."
So what we're saying is that the ability to play/copy the CD on a Mac is thanks purely to laziness on the part of BMG/MediaMax? (In that they haven't created Mac version of the software).
That's hilarious.
By the way, the best part of all of this is how there are still dozens upon dozens of copies of this album floating around the ol' world wide web anyway. So all they've accomplished from this copy-protection nonsense is to ensure that I will never give any one of these RIAA labels a cent of my money ever again.
Bang-up job, fellas!
-Steve
you'd think they'd learn from the disaster that happened when they did it to "in your honor" but i guess they wanna stick to their guns...what we really need to do is just kill off every record company and burn every contract and start anew...that's the point we're at in music, industry-wise, right now
I understand what they are trying to do, I just think that they have totally f*cked up the implementation of their idea. They are attacking the wrong set of people with this crap. Someone who is going to distribute illegal copies of music isn't likely the one who is going to go pick it up in the store anyway. They most likely will download it from a p2p site, which they can still do. It is the responsible folks who will pay dearly with their frustrations. I personally was looking forward to listening to Z all morning yesterday, ran out at lunch and bought my copy, came back and experienced the hell that they have imposed on us. My problem was deeper than just not liking the copy protection. My PC met all the requirements listed on the CD, but I kept receiving an MediaMax error. I never even got to the EULA. I had to start an email chain with tech support over it, which never solved the problem >:(. I made sure to tell them how much I liked the copy protection. I think that them blaming Apple is complete BS. It all boils down to competing businesses. The reason that MACs don't have this problem is because the protection is Microsoft Windows Media based. I think we all know the history between Microsoft and Apple.
Honestly if I had it to do over I would have purchased the CD from iTunes and avoided the whole thing instead of supporting my local indie record store. I could have gotten it for the same price (minus the 7" which I cannot play anyways). I ended up getting around the problem with the Princeton paper THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU to that guy and to whoever posted the link on this site.
I have been thinking about this all last night and now all morning.
It reminded me about how I went into HMV the other day to buy a Bob Dylan dvd, and they said they didn' carry anything by Bob Dylan anymore because he decided to release something only through Starbucks. Or something like that. I was like, "You're fucking joking me. You have nothing, zero in your store by Bob Dylan." "Nope."
And that just seemed so fucking stupid. Starbucks and HMV at war over Bob Dylan.
This also seems stupid, but I can't quite figure out who I'm mad at. I know I'm not mad at the band, because I don't think they have any control over this. I'm not mad at Apple, I don't think, because I wouldn't want to help Microsoft either by conforming to their programming. I kind of feel like the record label should've done more research, but I understand that they're trying to make it really hard for people to copy discs. But it also seems, like it always does, that they got all freaked and panicked, and made this decision that ends up fucking the good ones.
Perhaps it's Microsoft, in the end, that pisses me off. Maybe the record company should've had a MAC version and a PC version.
The only thing is that it totally sucks if you don't buy this record in order to show the record company how pissed you are. It sucks because the people who lose are the band, and we love them, and want them to win.
I'm not really finding an easy solution here... :-/
QuoteTHANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU to that guy and to whoever posted the link on this site.
hey no problem tdan, glad to help
On a lighter note.
I'd like to personally thank everyone involved for making the c.d. the perfect length to fit on one side of a 90 minute cassette. ;D
I record it once on each side, and I never half to rewind.
My car's tape player is very happy.
QuoteThe only thing is that it totally sucks if you don't buy this record in order to show the record company how pissed you are. It sucks because the people who lose are the band, and we love them, and want them to win.
Not only the band loses, but the indie record stores will lose also. In the situation mentioned earlier regarding the person who was going to return their copy to the store in which they purchased their CD, the store loses.
I don't solely support the local guys, but when I can in good conscience, I do. Ear X-tacy seems to always have good prices on new releases, but I have been screwed buying older discs there and vowed to not fall into that trap ever again. I have purchased two CDs there before, then came back to the office to check the prices on iTunes only to find that I could have purchased 3 CDs on iTunes for the price I paid at Ear X-tacy. I cannot justify spending that much extra. I love the local guys, but not that much. If I can get a disc at a local shop for the same or a little more as on iTunes I will always support the locals.
Yes, good point. Our good dude independent stores lose as well.
Yep. I'm all riled up too. License agreement? Install software? Are you kidding me? And all of that legalese in capital letters: "YOUR COMPUTER," etc.
I just bought the damned thing on the way to school and I'm trying to listen to it on the computers in the library. If I play it now am I going to be able to play it when I get home? What am I agreeing to? Why do I feel so dumb right now? I just want to listen to the f*cking record!
This is lame.
Geez......doesn't anyone listen on a stereo anymore??? No problems playing Z there. Best sound, too.
...and do you really blame them for copy-protecting it, especially after the internet leak?...all those leaks have to stop....the less money the artists and labels make, the less good music will be available...it's not a complicated thing to realize.
You're right. My school's library should definitely pony up and buy a stereo. And some beer and snacks and stuff. Sheesh. Some hospitality.
Quote...and do you really blame them for copy-protecting it, especially after the internet leak?...all those leaks have to stop....the less money the artists and labels make, the less good music will be available...it's not a complicated thing to realize.
A couple of things about that:
1. The leak was from an early copy, presumably a press copy, and was unmastered
2. As far as listening on your computer, a lot of people have to decide between buying a cd player or a computer. It's more practical to buy a computer, as it already has the capacity to be a cd player as well.
I think you're absolutley right. The issue, though, lies in the fact that dues who spread records over the internet are probably savvy enough to figure out how to get it regardless. Dudes who buy the record and just want to hear it seem to be having problems. So, the system itself isn't really working... The
principle behind copy-protection is, I think, fine. And fair. But the issue is that in reality, it seems to be causing a lot of problems for the honest peoples.
Now, having said that, I had zero problems getting it to play on my computer. So it was totally cool for me.
QuoteOn a lighter note.
I'd like to personally thank everyone involved for making the c.d. the perfect length to fit on one side of a 90 minute cassette. ;D
I record it once on each side, and I never half to rewind.
My car's tape player is very happy.
what's a tape??
anyways, this cd protection irritates the hell out of me as well. And they don't mark them clearly at all, I bought the CD and didn't see anything that resembled a warning or label regarding the CD protection crap. I think this kinda stuff actually hurts the artist more than it helps them. Let's face it, people love their Ipods. People are going to ignore the music because of format problems...unless they are already a fan they won't bother to make a huge effort to get around such issues. People who haven't heard the music yet may just get frustrated and forget the album exists, as my brother, an avid Ipod user, has done to many discs with copy protection issues.
QuoteGeez......doesn't anyone listen on a stereo anymore???
No, they don't. I guess you're the guy who is still trying to figure out how to keep a record player from skipping when sitting on your dashboard?
This is my first post and I think the whole protected disc thing sucks. It just drives me crazy. I mean MMJ is still so small and all their money is generated from touring. I don't know why any band would sign with a label these days???
MMJ signed a good deal with ATO giving them full artist control. My guess is that this falls into the category of "legal" control, so the record company found a way to ruin it for us despite the band's best efforts to keep them away from the music!
I say we start a petition. They should know that their are some pissed off peeps out there! >:(
Isn't ATO partially owned by Dave Matthews? It seems so weird, that he, out of all people, would allow for this? Isn't trading music what got his band started?
Instead of a petition right away, what about writing letters and seeing how they deal with it? My guess is that they weren't trying to piss people off, and the fact that people are having difficulties might be helpful for them in the future... If you wrote a letter explaining what happened to you, they might be able to fix these problems.
And give you free stuff. (It's happened to me before...)
IT'S NOT ATO'S FAULT IT'S THEIR PARENT COMPANY RCA!!!!!! HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS
I didn't have any problems playing it on my computer either. :-/
Well...
I sent my copy back to ATO today, along with a letter kindly asking them to send me either a new copy of the CD that doesn't demand software installation, or a check for $12.83 to recover money I paid at the store for it.
I also included the sales receipt to prove that the CD was legally purchased, and a written promise that I won't do anything illegal with any new copy they may send me.
I'm excited to see what happens.
way to go, maybe they'll pass it on to RCA ;)
Let us know what happens.
A couple quick comments about what Rob had posted earlier...
"Geez......doesn't anyone listen on a stereo anymore Huh No problems playing Z there. Best sound, too."
Yeah, I'm sure it plays just fine in a stereo or a DiscMan or a car CD player or whatever. But the fact is that some (or a lot of) people simply don't listen to their music in those forms anymore. And record companies KNOW THIS--as proven by the enthusiasm they've been displaying for the whole iTunes Store style "purchase songs online" bandwagon.
Me? I don't have a car. I don't have a functioning DiscMan anymore. All the CDs I buy go straight onto my computer and into my iPod.
But by making me install a special "player" program onto my computer to be able to listen to the CD--and by not allowing me to put the files ripped from this player onto my iPod--the record company is forcing me to listen to the CD on THEIR TERMS instead of my own. I can't listen to it while walking to work (as I can with ALL of my other music CDs). I can't listen to it while taking a walk around the lake (as I can with ALL of my other music CDs).
This would all be well and good if they made this known before I puchased the CD. But they didn't. What I purchased isn't a music CD (as it is advertised and marketed), but a piece of software which EMULATES a music CD. That's not what I thought I was buying. I thought I was buying a normal music CD, the type which has worked in computer CD ROM drives for the last decade. Classic 'bait-and-switch.' They lied to me, their own customer who paid them money for their product. And this is a continuation of the recent trend of record compaines villanizing their own customers (FBI Anti-Piracy Warnings on the packaging!) in an attempt to curb illegal downloading and copying.
So yes, I could listen to it in my stereo, but I don't want to. It isn't convenient for me. I don't listen to ANY OTHER CDs in my stereo. And yes, I can listen to it in their special player. It sounds fine and doesn't destory my computer. But I don't want to! I shouldn't have to! Much in the same way I wouldn't go buy a wrist-watch only to be told that I could ONLY wear it on my left wrist, I would never knowingly buy a music CD only to be told I had to listen to it with special software. That just isn't right.
And yes, this was all explained (however vaguely) in the End User License Agreement that I agreed to when I put the CD in my computer. But I was only able to READ this agreement after having already purchased the CD and taken it out of its shrink wrapping, thus rendering it non-returnable to the indie record store I bought it from.
So basically, because I'm probably rambling and not making any sense, this is a classic case of "It's the principle of the thing!"
I just can't imagine the kind of precident this is setting. What's next, really?
Eek.
QuoteIT'S NOT ATO'S FAULT IT'S THEIR PARENT COMPANY RCA!!!!!! HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS
Sorry, what'd you say?
(just kiddin')
See, there you go, Steve. You did something about it. Good work. Keep us posted.
man it is bullshit, but easy to get around.
1) put disc (Z) in, wait for the program to run then use the copy to pc option
2) it will download a folder with WMA (windows media) files to wherever you want
3) these won't let you turn them into mp3s or use them on itunes or do anything with them except listen really, so just burn them to a disc using the windows media burner, NOT itunes or any other burner you have
4) download a program called EAC (exact audio copy), google it
5) put your burned disc back in and open EAC
6) use EAC to change the files to wav. just hit the wav button and it will do the work, giving you a folder of wav files
7) upload your wavs to itunes, use itunes to turn wav to mp3
8) put mp3s on your ipod
is it illegal to post that? if so, i'll get rid of it
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is it illegal to post that? if so, i'll get rid of it
it may be illegal but it sure ain't unethical. Thanks for the tip!
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it may be illegal but it sure ain't unethical. Thanks for the tip!
haha, i'll leave it up a bit longer then get rid of it. the last thing my broke college butt needs is a lawsuit or something
Don't worry, October.....it's pretty common knowledge that all you have to do is burn the song files from Windows Media Player to a CDR...then from that disc, you can convert them to mp3s, etc....you'll get a slight downgrade in sound, I'm sure...but not major.
no problems playing it on my PC. i use winamp to play everything, its great:
www.winamp.com
I sent e-mails to both ATO and RCA, just saying it is a rip off. I encourage others to do the same.
info@rcarecords.com
info@atorecords.com
I am sure this will do nothing, but you don't get anywhere being quiet.
jimjames@mymorningjacket.com
and jim's e-mail also. he may not even know this e-mail exists, but i think it is worth being vocal.
Please don't bother the band about this. Please.
E-mailing the record companies? Fine.
I think I will do what I want. But I appreciate the feedback.
Who do you think is responsible? Do you think the band had no prior knowledge of this? I doubt it.
as long as there's a way around the copy protection, and i knowthere is because i listened to the cd on my ipod many a times yesterday, then why bother going through with all this complaining and BS? just a question...
It's one thing to email the dudes. It's another thing to encourage everyone else to do it. It's retarded.
QuoteWho do you think is responsible?
Seriously?
QuoteAnd yes, I can listen to it in their special player. It sounds fine and doesn't destory my computer.
...
So basically, because I'm probably rambling and not making any sense, this is a classic case of "It's the principle of the thing!"
it actually does fuck with your computer quite a bit everytime u put a cd into your computer, and yea i guess it's the principle of the thing, but no need in wasting your time yelling at RCA or ATO, the most they will do is write up a formal apoligy to everyone who bought a cd, and i doubt it even goes that far. i'm all for sticking it to the man, but since becoming a bit older i've found sometimes it's just not worth the energy if all the man is gonna do is brush me off like a fly
I am a bit older too, and I am just fed up. To follow up on the "retarded" comment, I think the record company may fall into that group quite well. They bitch about declining record sales and yet they put out protected CD's? That is putting your thinking cap on. If I would have known, I would have bought it through itunes (which I should have done to get the bonus track). The only issue, is you could get it at Best Buy for $7.99. I typically shop at independent stores, but I am not throwing away an additional $6, just to say I am loyal. I am loyal, but not "retarded."
Ok, this is already too long, but, why not get the band involved? I have paid for every one of their cd's, I go see them in concert everytime they are in town. I certainly am not alone and I am certainly not the only one who is irked by this.
And to clarify, I think people are able to make their own decisions on how to voice their opinions. If they want to e-mail the record company or the band, that is their decision. I don't think posting the informaition is forcing anyone to do not act on their own.
I love this band and their music, I just think it is B.S. that the cd is protected. This is my last post on the topic.
If you care, speak up, if you don't, then be on with your day...
Why buy CDs?
And to clarify, I think people are able to make their own decisions on how to voice their opinions. If they want to e-mail the record company or the band, that is their decision. I don't think posting the informaition is forcing anyone to do not act on their own.
I love this band and their music, I just think it is B.S. that the cd is protected. This is my last post on the topic.
If you care, speak up, if you don't, then be on with your day...
QuoteI am a bit older too, and I am just fed up. To follow up on the "retarded" comment, I think the record company may fall into that group quite well. They bitch about declining record sales and yet they put out protected CD's? That is putting your thinking cap on. If I would have known, I would have bought it through itunes (which I should have done to get the bonus track). The only issue, is you could get it at Best Buy for $7.99. I typically shop at independent stores, but I am not throwing away an additional $6, just to say I am loyal. I am loyal, but not "retarded."
Well you do what you want to do. Your $6, by the way, is not being "thrown away". It's helping to support people who don't dig big business practises, which ultimately fuck the world right up. You think that Best Buy is helping this world out? (We don't have Best Buy here, I don't think. I assume it's like Wal Mart or whatever.) I never mind paying more money to support shops that I like. Because I like them and I want to see them exist, still.
QuoteOk, this is already too long, but, why not get the band involved? I have paid for every one of their cd's, I go see them in concert everytime they are in town. I certainly am not alone and I am certainly not the only one who is irked by this.
As I said, it's one thing to write to the band yourself, and it's another thing to try and get troops behind you. Most bands do not have email addresses listed on their sites. It seems an abuse of the fact that they're open to receiving emails from anybody. It's mostly a respect thing.
I just read a post on how to easily take care of the protection situation. I did it and it didn't involve downloading any software. I changed one setting on my computer. If you want the info, drop me a line. hellohello121@hotmail.com
As for the rest of the stuff, bygones.
QuoteI just read a post on how to easily take care of the protection situation. I did it and it didn't involve downloading any software. I changed one setting on my computer. If you want the info, drop me a line. hellohello121@hotmail.com
As for the rest of the stuff, bygones.
see kids...thats what i'm sayin...
http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~jhalderm/cd3/
scroll down a little before half way
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see kids...thats what i'm sayin...
http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~jhalderm/cd3/
scroll down a little before half way
Thanks man,this worked perfectly for me and was able to download it on my ipod.I didn't have any luck with the Exact Audio Copy converting to mp3s without it still being garbled.It also helped with The Black Rebel Motorcycle Club new disc which had the same protection.Thanks to everyone that offer us some help.
I got this from ATO, it is very cool they even replied.
Hi,
We at ATO Records are aware of the problems being experienced by certain
fans due to the copy-protection of our distributor. Neither we nor our
artists ever gave permission for the use of this technology, nor is it our
distributor's opinion that they need our permission. Wherever it is our
decision, we will forego use of copy-protection, just as we have in the
past.
Meanwhile, Sony has set up this site to help you deal with any issues you
may have: http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/
Or go to:
http://tickets.sunncomm.com/selfhelp/addbook_readarticle.php?articleID=72&PH
PSESSID=1f8f15e686d4137bdcca196e16903d73 ... Fill out a support ticket and
they will email you instructions for one of several "workarounds" you can
find for this "Sony BMG" "copy-protection."
There are a few other ways around this copy-protection that you should be
able to find online.
We also recommend assuring that "auto-run" is not enabled for all discs you
use on your PC, and not accepting Windows Updates that include changes to
your "DRM" or Digital Rights Management (especially those in Windows Media
Player 10), until we can guarantee these problems won't arise. In the
meantime, the easiest way around these issues is to use Apple Computer
products in conjunction with your iPod.
We can not apologize enough for the difficulties you've encountered trying
to experience the disc you've purchased. We hope you'll continue to have a
long and rewarding experience with music after this regrettable situation is
sorted out.
Thank you for your support.
Chris B.
ATO Records
Good work ATO!!
Thumbs down Sony. Man.
That actually makes me pretty happy to read. I like that attitude... and it actually reads as genuinely apologetic, as opposed to the usual BS that companies' form letters usually read as.
But it seems ATO needs to do something to cut themselves off of whichever company is currently making decisions for them.
And it doesn't change the fact I still want a new copy or a refund.
It's a good sign, nonetheless.
Don't you just love honesty? Big ups to ATO for not trying to hide the real problem from their customers. Like I have said previously, we (the customer) are the losers in this pissing contest between Sony/Microsoft and Apple. Sony can't make a digital music player that can compete with the iPod line so I guess this is their passive aggressive way of fighting back.
I, like all of you are SO sick and tired of this Copy-Protection WMA Crap!! I think it's totally unfair that when you buy a CD legally, you can only transfer it to Windows Media Player, and not iTunes. I experienced the same frustration as all of you, and even considered the solution of burning a copy on Windows Media Player, then importing the copied disc into iTunes. But, unfortunately I can't copy CDs on Windows Media Player. I'm SO done with Windows Media! Since I only paid a measly $7.99 for the CD, I think it could've been at least $9.99...The Album is AWESOME! I've been listening to it Non-Stop! I forked up another $9.99 to Download it from iTunes. It was totally worth it! You even get an extra track "How Could I Know" which is just as good as the rest of the album! So, I ended up paying nearly $20 for one of the Best Albums to come out in 2005. I'm Happy! If a CD indicates copy-protection, and says it will only work on Windows Media Player, I'll save my money, and just get it from iTunes.
My copy will not play in windows media player or real player,even if I hold the shift key down.
Good thing I listen on my stereo.
Rip the cd into iTunes on a Mac, use WAV format,
and then burn it ot a CD. now you have a non-protected, freely transferrable version of Z. Load this copy onto your PC thru iTunes and you're set - plus WAV format is better than AAC/MPEG.
SONY/BMG is to blame for this use-crippling / user-rights restricting setup. DO NOT BUY THEIR PRODUCTS - This is the ONLY way they will get the point, and stop...maybe (not) ;>
jellyfish,
send me an e-mail, i will hook you up. hellohello121@hotmail.com
and all of you that bitched that i was bitching about the protected cd... the information is now on the bands front page. you can thank me later.
cheers.
I followed the advice that October gave about copying the files to the pc. Then I used my windows media player to burn a copy of the disc. I was able to use that burned cd to load the songs into my itunes and successfully onto my ipod. I didn't have to convert any files.
tomorrow.........anyone who wants the cd unprotected...just message me on the boards and i will hit u up with a link with all the songs ripped...i got it under control kiddies
ehhh...I'd say eb careful on that one. It's easy enough to bypass the thing, I would suggest you not trade it around like that. If they own a copy, they can do it. Not be an ass about it, but you probably oughta hold off on that.
Quotetomorrow.........anyone who wants the cd unprotected...just message me on the boards and i will hit u up with a link with all the songs ripped...i got it under control kiddies
Please do not trade any files that are from pulished releases, however noble the intention may be.
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Please do not trade any files that are from pulished releases, however noble the intention may be.
wot if they trade receipts for undeniable proof they bought the cd, and hes just doing a favour because hes got the trick to make the tracks unprotected?
maybe i should change my name to devilzzzzz advocate ;)
all I'm sayin' is that the workarounds are very public information. ripping files to your ipod is one thing, but trading the band's released material is another. please don't trade the band's released music!
What's most annoying about this annoying CD with amazing music is I can't fuckin play songs using VLC. The annoying BMG music player pops up. When I rip the songs, they just get converted into WMAs which are annoying as hell as they won't play in VLC. And the downloading licence shit...ughh...I wonder why such awesome bands get sucked up in Record Company Scams.
BTW, Z rocked my Soxzzz ;D
QuoteI wonder why such awesome bands get sucked up in Record Company Scams.
Hiya King Jeremy. :)
If you read around you'll see that ATO seemed just as pissed as us about this stuff. It looks like SONY went ahead and produced the record with this protection stuff on it without having consulted ATO first.
Quoteall I'm sayin' is that the workarounds are very public information. ripping files to your ipod is one thing, but trading the band's released material is another. please don't trade the band's released music!
they are pretty public...but people keep posting on here about how they can't play song on their computer or ipod...when i know i've posted the workaround a damn good amount of times....i'm just tryin to do a good deed, but at the request of johnny C i'll hold off on that