I think it would help if MMJ cut out the live recording tapers, yes i will admit I do like some of the recordings but when you allow the tapers you are one step closer to becoming a jam band! I would like to think MMJ is not and will never be a damn jam band! Keep away hippies!
You should never trust a hippie or a jamband for that matter.
QuoteI think it would help if MMJ cut out the live recording tapers, yes i will admit I do like some of the recordings but when you allow the tapers you are one step closer to becoming a jam band! I would like to think MMJ is not and will never be a damn jam band! Keep away hippies!
have you ever been on indietorrents or even dimeadozen? sure, the dead and phish are utterly immortalized for their taping, but nearly all bands of all styles allow it today. sorry, but this is just one of the most fucking stupid bits of logic ive ever heard. a jamband is defined by their sound, not their taping policy. how much of a fan can you be if you dont want the band to be cool and allow taping? should they do a drug test for everyone who walks in the door because someone might be high? there better be no drinking either because then theyd just be a stupid 'southern-fried' band.
sorry, but this sort of logic cracks me the fuck up.
Quote
have you ever been on indietorrents or even dimeadozen? sure, the dead and phish are utterly immortalized for their taping, but nearly all bands of all styles allow it today. sorry, but this is just one of the most fucking stupid bits of logic ive ever heard. a jamband is defined by their sound, not their taping policy. how much of a fan can you be if you dont want the band to be cool and allow taping? should they do a drug test for everyone who walks in the door because someone might be high? there better be no drinking either because then theyd just be a stupid 'southern-fried' band.
sorry, but this sort of logic cracks me the fuck up.
I dunno man. I knew a guy who taped a motley crue show once and then, *bam*, it was tye-dye city for him. :)
it still moves was a very jambandish album. a lot of extended solos at the end of the songs. but a true jam band is defined by their live show, not their albums. and mmj jacket is NOT a jamband. they rip right through their set w/ little improv and small amounts of extended jamming (except on a few songs). also, i didnt see a lot of hippies at the shows if been to, except bonnaroo of course and try not seeing a hippy there. but you have to respect jam bands for their ability to improvise and their musicianship. if you dont, then you havnt listened to many jam bands.
>:(
Jamband, southern fried, who the hell cares. MMJ has a unique sound all to their own. Why is everyone so concerned with labels?
and as far as their taping policy goes, i think it's a blessing.
i killed a hippie near Reno...just to watch him die.
music..its all about the music...not a scene
I wish MMJ were a jam band, but I'm afraid they are nothing like it.
All their instrumental breaks are written and orchestrated. ISM does not have a single improvised guitar solo and there is nothing on the album that could be called a jam.
In fact, when the guys tried to improvise during the end of Steam Engine at Bonnaroo 2004 they fell down badly. They do not have the skills to be an improvised music band.
QuoteI wish MMJ were a jam band, but I'm afraid they are nothing like it.
All their instrumental breaks are written and orchestrated. ISM does not have a single improvised guitar solo and there is nothing on the album that could be called a jam.
In fact, when the guys tried to improvise during the end of Steam Engine at Bonnaroo 2004 they fell down badly. They do not have the skills to be an improvised music band.
they don't have the skills? are you kidding me? have you seen them live? i think they choose not to be "jam band" b/c they just don't want to be and they are amazing being just who they are!!!
go listen to phish or widespread man...if you can't appreciate the Jacket for what and who they are!
QuoteThey do not have the skills to be an improvised music band.
well that's like....your opinion...man
Quote
well that's like....your opinion...man
Yeah, well. The Dude abides.
jim jams, tom jams, carl jams, bo jams, patrick jams, the jacket, as a whole, do jam. does that make them a jam band? do they go on long, meandering segues on the way to a big, rock 'n roll finish? yep! why would you rip a band for being of the jam variety? what, exactly, is the stigma here? is it the patchouli smell? is it the jelly sandals? the hemp peruvian sweater? if you dig it, it's good!
i wish they were the next Grateful Dead..
sort of like the Beatles
who are the beatles? are they new? didn't they open for franz ferdinand?
when i worked at a record store this hirl came up to pay for the libertines' second cd and i said "you know, if you like the libertines, you should check out the re-issue of the clash's london calling with the vanilla tapes" and she says "i've never heard of them". swear on my mama... i almost swallowed my pen. i think i sputtered something like "oh, well, you should check them out, they're really good." it was a moment frozen in time... :o :o :o :o
Logically speaking, there are many bands who allow taping , for example, Weezer, Ryan Adams, The Flaming Lips and Tenacious D all allow taping. I hardly think that any of them can be tagged with the label of a jam band or artist. I really doubt that this band wants to be tagged as such either but we have been able to enjoy nearly every live show from this band's history because of this generous policy. I, for one, am deeply grateful!
Another thing that amazes me about this band is the fan base itself. There are so many people who have come to love the Jacket who might not share musical tastes at all, except for MMJ. I am always amazed at the the age ranges and different looks that people have at these shows...their music transcends labels!
Cheers~
Quotewho are the beatles? are they new? didn't they open for franz ferdinand?
when i worked at a record store this hirl came up to pay for the libertines' second cd and i said "you know, if you like the libertines, you should check out the re-issue of the clash's london calling with the vanilla tapes" and she says "i've never heard of them". swear on my mama... i almost swallowed my pen. i think i sputtered something like "oh, well, you should check them out, they're really good." it was a moment frozen in time... :o :o :o :o
:P
The Clash rules!
I'm slightly drunk by the way 8)
Yeah jacketgirl, you have a cool signature.
Idiot Wind is my favorite Dylan track ;)
QuoteYeah jacketgirl, you have a cool signature.
Idiot Wind is my favorite Dylan track ;)
love it! It's best when played at an insanely high volume, while comsuming alchol and singing along! :D
Quote
love it! It's best when played at an insanely high volume, while comsuming alchol and singing along! :D
Yeah, I don't think I'll be drinking anymore though, but i might still sing along.
I can't feel you anymore, I can't even touch the books you've read
Every time I crawl past your door, I been wishin' I was somebody else instead.
Down the highway, down the tracks, down the road to ecstasy,
I followed you beneath the stars, hounded by your memory
And all your ragin' glory.
I been double-crossed now for the very last time and now I'm finally free,
I kissed goodbye the howling beast on the borderline which separated you from me.
You'll never know the hurt I suffered nor the pain I rise above,
And I'll never know the same about you, your holiness or your kind of love,
And it makes me feel so sorry.
Damn, That's fuckin' brilliant...
I've had some too much of these by the way :D
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b291/kickingTV/orval.jpg)
love the dylan... but felt a little unsettled when i heard lovesick (from time out of mind) on a victoria's secret commercial... it was like, dude, you were the voice of a generation, don't go hawking lace panties! then again, i saw roger daltry on an infomercial selling a 70s rock compilation. oy... gotta serve somebody!
Quote
they don't have the skills? are you kidding me? have you seen them live? i think they choose not to be "jam band" b/c they just don't want to be and they are amazing being just who they are!!!
go listen to phish or widespread man...if you can't appreciate the Jacket for what and who they are!
I've seen them more times than you've had hot dinners, Sonny.
And I do appreciate them for what they are. And that is -
1 Currently the best band in the world
2 With the best lead singer in rock.
3 With one of the best song writers it has been my pleasure to hear, ever.
4 Jim has musicality pumping through his veins like no one else. His arrangements and orchestrations are other worldly. Beyond the scope of most song writers today.
5 As tight a live band as it is possible to be. They practise, practise and practise some more before touring their latest set lists.
And unlike the zealots on here I can appreciate them for what they are not. And that is -
1 Not a jam band.
2 Not an improvisational band. Jim has openly admited that he is finding jazz a hard music to get inside.
3 Competent but not the worlds greatest rock musicians. Jim isn't fit to wipe Carlos Santana's arse as a solo guitarist .
But this doesn't make me appreciate the guys any less. For me they are one of the most significant innovators in the history of Rock. One of my all time favourite bands.
So, get a life yourself and have a more balanced and less bigoted view of the world. ;)
And, if its alright with you, I will still listen to MMJ, just as I will continue to listen to John McLaughlin, Carlos Santana, Grant Green, Al Di Meola, Jimi Hendrix, etc playing their virtuoso improvisations that Jim and Carl can only aspire to.
I bet all of the above instrumentalists would give their favourite plectrums to write songs as only Jim can. :-*
this is an interesting thread, no doubt.
"jam band" is a connotation or label, per se...some people think it's bad, others good...i've seen MMJ shows where "jamming" has occurred, but not 35 minute drum solos. in the earlier days, the band improvised a bit more than they do now at shows (mainly because the touring is bigger and in support of a major label record).
OK, so NOT being able to be a jam band is an insult or a compliment?
I can go either way here; I love The Clash and I love the Allman Brothers.
(excellent nod to Al Di Meola, loper) :)
you know, MMJ is a terrible polka band. Jim James is no Harold Loffelmacher...
LOL...he's not Jimmy Sturr, either ;)
you're an idiot.
so taping live show = jam band?
you suck, go die. i bet you wear elvis costello glasses. you're the reason why the term "indie kids" exists.
well after that, i think i'd like to say that i miss EC. and you know, kindness.
Quotewell after that, i think i'd like to say that i miss EC. and you know, kindness.
right on.
good lord. what's with the anger around here today?
i still don't get it... why is jamming a bad thing? i see how a 12-minute, meandering guitar noodling just for the sake of 12-minute, meandering guitar noodling is tiresome. but if jim/bo/carl/tom/pat want to bust a move at a show, let loose and have fun what do you suggest, that someone yell out "uh, excuse me, you're not phish, don't play anything you didn't record in the studio"... it's MUSIC for the love of god, there are no rules! i happen to find most freeform jazz difficult to comprehend but if the band decided they would extend dondante to 20 minutes, i think i would just ride that freakin' wave.
and also, let's have a giant, collective Forum hug to get rid of all the negativity.
*HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHUUUUUGGGGGGGGG*
Quoteif the band decided they would extend dondante to 20 minutes, i think i would just ride that freakin' wave.
and also, let's have a giant, collective Forum hug to get rid of all the negativity.
*HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHUUUUUGGGGGGGGG*
20 minutes of Dondante!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES PLEASE :D
Sweet sentiments, indeed! Why can't we just listen to the music without labels, boundries, comparisons and speculations? Just let it move ya people.
MMJ's music to me is an artistic composition of notes and lyrics that came from the souls of those who care about beauty!
;D {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} ;D
This is how scenes die: when the fans try and define who can/can't like the band and what the band is/isn't. The same argument happens on Wilco boards, and it's best to just let people like the music they like. And cutting off taping is a BAD idea.
Hey loper,
If you think these guys fell on their face at bonnaroo in '04 then I got some dicks picks recordings of the greatist jam band ever that really suck hairy balls. The bonnaroo download is primo start to finish and the steam engine is the best recording I've heard. the organ and drums finish is totally brilliant. they didn't fall on their face they left the audience with permagrin. get your mind straight and listen to it again.
Who cares.
:-/
I don't care what label you put on MMJ they are still in a category all their own in my book. I like to call em the best RnR band ever. :)