I know that eu might be considered one but I think this band has such a great sound that they could make the next"the wall" and should in their career make a rock opera or something to that sort and jim has the vulnerability to his voice that could make it great .
I know The Wall is the standard when talking concept albums, but I think MMJ is much more likely to do something like Quadrophenia than something like The Wall. Much like The Who in their early years MMJ has a real, palpable connection with their fans. Thats what elicits that emotional connection with the music, and thats why Quadrophenia, written over 30 years ago, is still relevant. Floyd is one of my favorites, but the music is often obtuse and heady, and sometimes its inaccessible for some people. So while it is very good, it doesnt often create that intensely loyal, soldier-like mentality that fans of bands like MMJ have.
Does that make any sense at all? It sounds great in my head, but Im not too sure that I got it to my fingers properly...
that makes more sense yeah
Well, I think OKONOKOS was a pretty good concept album! ;)
QuoteWell, I think OKONOKOS was a pretty good concept album! ;)
yeah yeah!!
QuoteWell, I think OKONOKOS was a pretty good concept album! ;)
I agree with BH and was already thinking that OKONOKOS was conceptual the first time I heard it...
QuoteQuoteWell, I think OKONOKOS was a pretty good concept album! ;)
I agree with BH and was already thinking that OKONOKOS was conceptual the first time I heard it...
Now thinking about it, OKONOKOS being a live show is a compilation of their other albums. So I don't think it can be a concept album.
Explain, of all things, why you would even get the slightest notion that EU is a concept album. That statement alone makes no sense, let alone starting a thread about it. I should have realised that I have to EXPLAIN
Well, being that it supposedly centers around the exploration of a "new" genre for the Jacket, it could be a concept album in that sense. I don't necessarily think it qualifies, as continuity of story throughout the album is part of what I think makes up an essential part of the concept album, but there's better ways to discuss such things. Experimental album? Sure sounds like it so far--maybe someone got their ideas of experimental and concept mixed. No reason to berate here.
"Concept Album" doesn't have to equal rock opera.
They said in an interview about the separate parts of it, and how it was meant to go together as a whole. So I guess it could be considered a concept album in that way. ;)
I haven't heard it yet, so I can't comment on how the lyrics go together.
I really don't want to get into the album when it hasn't been released but, it is a concept album. The concept being two sides of the same coin, it runs through the entire album. I'll get detailed about it once the album comes out.
Of course this is just my opinion. So if you don't think it is, then that's cool with me.
Apparently Randall only sees one side of the coin.
Quotehow the fuck is evil urges a 'concept album' are you retarted? Explain, of all things, why you would even get the slightest notion that EU is a concept album. That statement alone makes no sense, let alone starting a thread about it. I should have realised that I have to EXPLAIN
You sound very angry and pissed off...anyways, welcome to the forum and try not to take anything personal here. Remember your an MMJ fan who is full of happeness and delight, because there is a new album coming out.
Back to the idea of OKONOKOS being a concept album...just to clarify what we are talking about I borrowed this from Wikipedia:
"In popular music, a concept album is an album which is "unified by a theme, which can be instrumental, compositional, narrative, or lyrical". Most often they are pre-planned (conceived) and with all songs contributing to a single overall theme or unified story, this plan or story being the concept. This is in contrast to the standard practice of an artist or group releasing an album consisting of a number of unconnected songs performed by the artist. Given that the suggestion of something as vague as an overall mood often tags a work as being a concept album, a precise definition of the term proves problematic.
In the world of musical theatre, there is a separate and distinct form of concept album known as the album musical, in which the performers are playing characters in a story, a type of recording which encompasses such "rock operas" as The Who's Tommy and The Wall by Pink Floyd."
Does OKONOKOS do any of this?
QuoteI know The Wall is the standard when talking concept albums
The standard for concept albums? Shit, how may laughing emoticons can I post here?
QuoteFloyd is one of my favorites, but the music is often obtuse and heady, and sometimes its inaccessible for some people.
The Floyd inaccessible for some people? Syd's Floyd perhaps but hardly the prog behemoth that came later. They've sold millions and millions and are comfortably one of the biggest bands ever so clearly a LOT of people identify with them very heavily indeed. No band is universally liked but the Waters era Floyd come closer than most.
QuoteSo while it is very good, it doesnt often create that intensely loyal, soldier-like mentality that fans of bands like MMJ have.
This is rubbish. Floyd fans are rabid and incredibly loyal. Unfortunately I've known a few. Those cunts could still probably sell out Wembley 5 times over and they've done sfa of note for over 30 years.
The Wall is FUCKING RUBBISH. Horrible, whiny self-pitying piece of dull Middle England bourgeois shit and Waters is a cunt. He looks like one of those statues on Easter Island. Only less animated and interesting. Awful, awful album. MMJ will never do anything like Quadrophenia. Quadrophenia is Pet Sounds for boys that take drugs and shag women. Jim James is too old now to create something that came from a similar place. Quadrophenia celebrated a movement and a way of life. Pete WAS a mod. He took leapers etc and I fail to see how James could conjure up something similar or why he'd even want to. Quadrophenia was a requiem and a celebration of a youth movement.
Originally, Pete wasn't a mod and neither was anyone in The Who. The were late to the movement. They inevitably were embraced by mod pop culture and adapted to some of its characteristics accordingly.
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And in fact, The Who were designed to be mods by Peter Meadon and Chris Stamp. A truer and bigger mod band amongst the mods was The Small Faces.
uh, Roger Waters wrote most of the best Floyd material, so he's obviously not a cunt if you're even a casual fan. is The Wall overplayed insofar as its radio singles? Yes. But, if you're older than 35 you'd remember The Wall was a pretty far out record in its day, in comparison to the dredges that make up the competition.
I think the closest MMJ has gotten to a "concept" album would be Chocolate and Ice, with the exploration of funky beats on Cobra and the soaring melody of Sooner alongside the billowing-but-fantastic Can you feel the hard helmet on my head?
Radiohead's Kid A is my favorite concept album, with Rush's 2112 close behind. Some other examples from my collection:
The Grand Illusion - Styx
Paradise Theater - Styx
Yes-Tales from Topographic Oceans
QuoteQuoteI know The Wall is the standard when talking concept albums
The standard for concept albums? Shit, how may laughing emoticons can I post here?
QuoteFloyd is one of my favorites, but the music is often obtuse and heady, and sometimes its inaccessible for some people.
The Floyd inaccessible for some people? Syd's Floyd perhaps but hardly the prog behemoth that came later. They've sold millions and millions and are comfortably one of the biggest bands ever so clearly a LOT of people identify with them very heavily indeed. No band is universally liked but the Waters era Floyd come closer than most.
QuoteSo while it is very good, it doesnt often create that intensely loyal, soldier-like mentality that fans of bands like MMJ have.
This is rubbish. Floyd fans are rabid and incredibly loyal. Unfortunately I've known a few. Those cunts could still probably sell out Wembley 5 times over and they've done sfa of note for over 30 years.
The Wall is FUCKING RUBBISH. Horrible, whiny self-pitying piece of dull Middle England bourgeois shit and Waters is a cunt. He looks like one of those statues on Easter Island. Only less animated and interesting. Awful, awful album. MMJ will never do anything like Quadrophenia. Quadrophenia is Pet Sounds for boys that take drugs and shag women. Jim James is too old now to create something that came from a similar place. Quadrophenia celebrated a movement and a way of life. Pete WAS a mod. He took leapers etc and I fail to see how James could conjure up something similar or why he'd even want to. Quadrophenia was a requiem and a celebration of a youth movement.
Christ, why so angry?
To clarify: personal preference aside you cannot debate the popularity of The Wall. As self indulgent and "whiney" as it is, it was the most successful concept album of the 70s and is still the first example cited by the average person if you ask them what a concept album is. As for Floyds music: yes, it is wildly popular but that doesnt mean it would ever be embraced by the average music fan. These are pretty basic concepts and Im not sure why you had such a problem with it that you felt you needed to come off as an ignorant ass.
As for the comparison to The Who, mention of Quadrophenia, etc: I used the Who in comparison because its from the same period. I didnt say Jim James could write Quadrophenia and I didnt say I expect him to write something like it. What I said was I thought, in comparison to something like The Wall, MMJ was more likely to make something that resembled Quadrophenia.
At this point you should be asking "resemble how?" instead of itching to say "c*nt" again. I'll give you a second to get there....ok: I think it would resemble Quadrophenia in a number of ways. Sonically I think it be more upbeat and be much more of a "rock" album as compared to prog or whatever you might like to call Floyd (rubbish, maybe?). I also think lyrically it would connect more with the audience like Quadrophenia. That doesnt mean it has to capture a youth movement, it merely means that people can hear the words and identify with them.
OK, you can be angry again.
QuoteOriginally, Pete wasn't a mod and neither was anyone in The Who. The were late to the movement. They inevitably were embraced by mod pop culture and adapted to some of its characteristics accordingly.
It's true that they used aspects of mod culture and incorparted them into their act - the clothes and the style partly at the behest of Stamp etc. And herculean amounts of speed of course! However nothing is free of artifice. It's a commercial product. But they were closer to the scene than you suggest and Petes ideas and inspirations, for example, the theory of auto destruction intellectually connect him with modernism more than the criminally underrated but more simplistic Small Faces. Pete saw something in the mods that he saw in himself - a kinship I think. And they also created the 2 ultimate Mod anthems - Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere and The Kids Are Alright
Quoteuh, Roger Waters wrote most of the best Floyd material, so he's obviously not a cunt if you're even a casual fan. is The Wall overplayed insofar as its radio singles? Yes. But, if you're older than 35 you'd remember The Wall was a pretty far out record in its day, in comparison to the dredges that make up the competition.
I think the closest MMJ has gotten to a "concept" album would be Chocolate and Ice, with the exploration of funky beats on Cobra and the soaring melody of Sooner alongside the billowing-but-fantastic Can you feel the hard helmet on my head?
Radiohead's Kid A is my favorite concept album, with Rush's 2112 close behind. Some other examples from my collection:
The Grand Illusion - Styx
Paradise Theater - Styx
Yes-Tales from Topographic Oceans
Syd Barrett wrote the best Floyd material. See Emily Play is finer than anything that turd Waters has ever penned. Jugband Blues is more moving. Astronomy Domine is more out there. And so on.
Dredges? 1979 was a fucking great year for music. You have the whole the burgeoning post punk movement for crying out loud! The Wall, in comparison, sounds like the bloated self obsessed piece of archaic crap that it is. A relic. Moribund. A joke.
Some 1979 records....
Talking Heads - Fear Of Music
Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
Clash - London Calling
Elvis Costello - Armed Forces
Pere Ubu - New Picnic Time
Gang of Four - Entertainment
Neil Young - Rust Never Sleeps
Jam - Setting Sons
And so on. Dredges? Your mad! Mad I tells ya!!
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To clarify: personal preference aside you cannot debate the popularity of The Wall. As self indulgent and "whiney" as it is, it was the most successful concept album of the 70s
I'm not debating the commercial success of The Wall am I? Besides, what has popularity got to do with artistic success? Nothing. If it were we'd all be wanking over Celine Dion and The fucking Eagles rather then grooving to The Velvets or Big Star. You said The Wall is the 'standard' that suggests, as concept albums go, it's amongst the finest. It is not. Perhaps you want to listen to the middle aged adolescent winnings of a millionaire rock star but I sir would rather give my Dad a sloppy blowjob. The Wall stinks worse than my unwashed cock. You mentioned The Who. The Who have 3 concept albums – Sell Out, Tommy and Quad – that shit on The Wall from such a great height that by the time the turd hits that cunt Waters cranium it's a frozen scat missile that's gonna knock that douchebag clean out! Pow! When I think of great concept albums I think of Sorrow, We're Only In It For The Money, Arthur or Zen Arcade. The Wall doesn't even come close.
Quotestill the first example cited by the average person if you ask them what a concept album is.
You say it like it's a good thing! Is that supposed to be a positive? Cos Joe Bloggs in the street has heard of it well it must be swell and the standard as to which all others are judged. Ask Joe Bloggs if he knows about Laura Nyro or Todd Rundgren. Huh? Todd Wolfgran? Your average punter knows little or nothing about music.
Quoteyes, it is wildly popular but that doesnt mean it would ever be embraced by the average music fan
Oh dear. Newsflash. Your average Floyd fan is as much some burnt out hippy relic as a 40 year old accountant called Martin who has dinner parties soundtracked by the obnoxiously smooth sounds of Sade or Dido. In fact the ratio is probably a few hundred thousand to one. Have you ever met any Floyd fans? The Floyd are, for many, a badge of counterculture cool for very uncool people who own about 20cds and buy about one every couple of months. Probably a Coldplay album or something equally smooth and inoffensive to accompany that dinner party on Saturday. Perhaps some Shania Twain. Bands don't sell THAT many records without having a decent percentage of their audience being the lowest common denominator 'average music fan'. My mate, for example, knows nothing about music really. When I met him he mostly listened to Wu Tang (who are great obviously) but he liked The Floyd of course - even if he had no idea who Syd Barrett was. I introduced him to Syd's music. Many Floyd fans are like this in my experience. More so than perhaps any other of the big hitters imo.
QuoteAs for the comparison to The Who, mention of Quadrophenia, etc: I used the Who in comparison because its from the same period.
I also think lyrically it would connect more with the audience like Quadrophenia. That doesnt mean it has to capture a youth movement
So they're from the same period, so what? The Who and The Floyd are diametrically different as bands and so are those two records - the only similarity is a 'concept'. Why don't you compare Can To The Floyd instead? One is full of life, vigour and youthful energy. The other is self obsessed psychobabble. Comparisons like that are pointless. If you're gonna compare The Wall to something then it should be, say, Plastic Ono Band which, in turn, I'd compare to The Who By Numbers. The only similarity to Quadrophenia being that it 'connects' more with the audience apparently? There are many people who connect with The Wall as well judging by its record sales which dwarf Quadrophenia's by the way. It's second only to the dull, dull, dull Dark Side in that respect. Certain Floyd fans identify with that album as much as The Who fans who identify with Quadrophenia you know? I've met them.
Quoteinstead of itching to say "c*nt" again.
Why the asterix? Can't you even TYPE the word? Cunt. Oops. Cunt. I did it again! Cunt, cunt, cunt. Goat Boy is a cunt! Big hairy sweaty fat cunt. These are words! Relax. I use the word cunt all the time. It's common as muck over here. A term of affection. I'm not angry at all. It's just my style. Besides conflict and shit like this brings out DEBATE which is what these things – messageboards – are here for no?
QuoteOK, you can be angry again
I ain't angry. I've just spent an hour flinging arrows at my homemade Roger Waters dartboard. Better than meditation I'd say!
Must......keep......mouth.......shut......
I was wondering when you were going to chime in on this one. Probably best to walk away my friend. ;)
C'mon, slag the Floyd! Iconoclasm is healthy! Tear these motherfuckers down! I actually have a grudging respect for them and for Waters in particular. But it's a case of ever diminishing returns I'm afraid. Piper is a masterpiece, the magnum opus of English psych and one of the greatest albums ever made. Meddles alright. Saucerful Of Secrets (great title), More and Obscured By Clouds are especially weak. Atom Heart Mother is actually one of their better albums. Dark Side is the dullest 'classic' album ever though. Animals with its hilariously unsubtle use of Orwell's Animal Farm as an analogy - humans are, like, animals maaan sums up the intellectual might of Waters. Not as unsubtle as the sound affects on Dark Side though eh? A cash register on Money. Brilliant Rog! Keep these ideas comin! The clocks on Time. Woooah what drugs were these guys on? Cool sleeve though. The Wall is pish obviously. Wish You Were Here has its golden moments amidst the laborious languor's but I can't be arsed waiting for them. I'd rather listen to 10cc frankly.
QuoteQuoteuh, Roger Waters wrote most of the best Floyd material, so he's obviously not a cunt if you're even a casual fan. is The Wall overplayed insofar as its radio singles? Yes. But, if you're older than 35 you'd remember The Wall was a pretty far out record in its day, in comparison to the dredges that make up the competition.
I think the closest MMJ has gotten to a "concept" album would be Chocolate and Ice, with the exploration of funky beats on Cobra and the soaring melody of Sooner alongside the billowing-but-fantastic Can you feel the hard helmet on my head?
Radiohead's Kid A is my favorite concept album, with Rush's 2112 close behind. Some other examples from my collection:
The Grand Illusion - Styx
Paradise Theater - Styx
Yes-Tales from Topographic Oceans
Syd Barrett wrote the best Floyd material. See Emily Play is finer than anything that turd Waters has ever penned. Jugband Blues is more moving. Astronomy Domine is more out there. And so on.
Dredges? 1979 was a fucking great year for music. You have the whole the burgeoning post punk movement for crying out loud! The Wall, in comparison, sounds like the bloated self obsessed piece of archaic crap that it is. A relic. Moribund. A joke.
Some 1979 records....
Talking Heads - Fear Of Music
Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
Clash - London Calling
Elvis Costello - Armed Forces
Pere Ubu - New Picnic Time
Gang of Four - Entertainment
Neil Young - Rust Never Sleeps
Jam - Setting Sons
And so on. Dredges? Your mad! Mad I tells ya!!
In comparison to the
concept albums and rock music in general of that year...the albums you list aren't even comparable in that they aren't of the same subgenre that The Wall exists in. Punk music is different genre altogether, now isn't it? Yes, it has its roots in rock musc (hence the term "punk rock") but you can't actually put Gang of Four next to Pink Floyd and say "stylistically speaking, this is the same shite". Apples and oranges.
I'm thinking more on the lines of things like The Bee Gees, The Knack, disco, etc. being the dredges of 1979...
not anything like Wire, The Buzzcocks, Raincoats, etc.
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In comparison to the concept albums and rock music in general of that year...the albums you list aren't even comparable in that they aren't of the same subgenre that The Wall exists in.
What a bizarre opening statement. I'm almost lost for words. Almost. You don't think London Calling is a rock n roll record? Is Rust Never Sleeps not a ROCK record? Of course it is! Have you heard these albums? What would you call Unknown Pleasures? Punk? New Wave? Who cares what narrow minded little genre it belongs too. It's irrelevant. The only relevant question is – is it any bloody good? You'd think I was trying to compare some album of Albanian spoon music or something. ::)
And what, pray tell, is the subgenre The Wall exists in? Tedious, middle class angsty shit? It's all music mate – rock, punk, prog whatever the hell you want to call it. To stick them in their own small musical boxes and never debate the relative merits of records is silly. Unbelievable really.
Besides, who gives a fuck about purely concept albums? What is this, 1974 and were all wearing Kaftans? Why don't we talk about Magma?! That would be cool! If you're only gonna compare concept albums released in 1979 which apparently is the only worthwhile comparison to make according to your opening statement (or whatever sub genre The Wall belongs to) then that's a pretty short list is it not? Unless you want to compare it to some tedious Yes or Rush drivel. Why put such limitations on it? Why narrow the playing field? WHY DEAR GOD?
QuotePunk music is different genre altogether, now isn't it? Yes, it has its roots in rock musc (hence the term "punk rock") but you can't actually put Gang of Four next to Pink Floyd and say "stylistically speaking, this is the same shite". Apples and oranges.
I'm thinking more on the lines of things like The Bee Gees, The Knack, disco, etc. being the dredges of 1979...not anything like Wire, The Buzzcocks, Raincoats, etc.
Who said anything about that? No but I can put them together and say one record is clearly better than the other. Who cares if stylistically they are different? It's men with guitars and shit at the end of the day. These albums aren't comparable? Put aside all this bullshit subgenre nonsense and judge them on the quality of the music. That is all I ask.
And the Bee Gees kick post Syd Floyds ass. Odessa is better than anything that goon Waters ever managed. Their sixties albums, especially, are loaded with gems.
Next time a magazine runs one of these stoopid TOP 100 ALBUM things I'll be sure to tell them that it's pointless comparing albums from incompatible sub genres and that they should have a top 100 list for every single sub genre known to man. I eagerly await the Top 100 Middle Class Angsty Shit albums of all time. The Wall will no doubt walk it.
Jesus, put down the meth for a minute. Obviously you think The Wall and Roger Waters suck. The title of the thread is "Concept Album", so excuse the fuck out of me for thinking we were discussing concept albums-and I likely compared the concept albums of the late 70s to the current discussion as that's probably the last period in music that I'm aware of that had such a swell of progressive rock concept albums. Yeah, it's "all music", I get that...but how do you compare/contrast what you think is good as opposed to what others think is good?
Fuckin' London Calling is whatever you want to call it, but you can't put it next to 2112 and say "it's all the same". IT'S NOT.
Also, how old are you? Were you around and old enough to know how weird the Wall was in 1979, compared to say, The Knack?
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Besides, who gives a fuck about purely concept albums?
LOL. ;D Apparently you do, considering you registered just so that you make six long high and mighty posts about the subject. Jeeesh.
Kick his ass, Sea Bass!
QuoteJesus, put down the meth for a minute. Obviously you think The Wall and Roger Waters suck. The title of the thread is "Concept Album", so excuse the fuck out of me for thinking we were discussing concept albums-and I likely compared the concept albums of the late 70s to the current discussion as that's probably the last period in music that I'm aware of that had such a swell of progressive rock concept albums. Yeah, it's "all music", I get that...but how do you compare/contrast what you think is good as opposed to what others think is good?
Fuckin' London Calling is whatever you want to call it, but you can't put it next to 2112 and say "it's all the same". IT'S NOT.
Oh I'm sorry but do threads have to run along linear lines around here? Why don't you answer my points eh? You seem to think Rust Never Sleeps aint a rock record and therefore can't be compared or judged alongside The Wall. TOTAL SHITE. And you're one of the senior members around here? You're speaking pish man. The first post said Evil Urges was a concept album. It ain't so it's a thread started about an record that isn't even a concept album. Why can't we just discuss things in a free flowing manner instead of being anally retentive about it.
I wasn't aware I had to be around at the time to comment on an album or a band. I know the context of the times mate. The Wall, weird? Peking O by Can is weird. Lick My Decals Off Baby is weird. The Wall ain't weird. Well, it may have been weird to a 12 year old kid but not to anybody over the age of, say 18.
QuoteQuote
Besides, who gives a fuck about purely concept albums?
LOL. ;D Apparently you do, considering you registered just so that you make six long high and mighty posts about the subject. Jeeesh.
That's right. Take a quote and use it out of context. I couldn't care less about concept albums like The Wall but I do care about people posting rubbish that calmly declares The Wall to be The Standard by which all concept albums are judged which is a bullshit conclusion Yeah? That's where all this sprung from? Fuck me.
QuoteAlso, how old are you? Were you around and old enough to know how weird the Wall was in 1979, compared to say, The Knack?
Why don't you answer my post properly instead of questioning my age?
i thought British people were supposed to be "jolly"?
QuoteQuoteJesus, put down the meth for a minute. Obviously you think The Wall and Roger Waters suck. The title of the thread is "Concept Album", so excuse the fuck out of me for thinking we were discussing concept albums-and I likely compared the concept albums of the late 70s to the current discussion as that's probably the last period in music that I'm aware of that had such a swell of progressive rock concept albums. Yeah, it's "all music", I get that...but how do you compare/contrast what you think is good as opposed to what others think is good?
Fuckin' London Calling is whatever you want to call it, but you can't put it next to 2112 and say "it's all the same". IT'S NOT.
Oh I'm sorry but do threads have to run along linear lines around here? Why don't you answer my points eh? You seem to think Rust Never Sleeps aint a rock record and therefore can't be compared or judged alongside The Wall. TOTAL SHITE. And you're one of the senior members around here? You're speaking pish man. The first post said Evil Urges was a concept album. It ain't so it's a thread started about an record that isn't even a concept album. Why can't we just discuss things in a free flowing manner instead of being anally retentive about it.
I wasn't aware I had to be around at the time to comment on an album or a band. I know the context of the times mate. The Wall, weird? Peking O by Can is weird. Lick My Decals Off Baby is weird. The Wall ain't weird. Well, it may have been weird to a 12 year old kid but not to anybody over the age of, say 18.
WTF are you smokin'? Where did I say Rust Never Sleeps isn't a rock album? You said it was-I agree! POINT TAKEN. Also, you do know that there are things called "categories" and "genres and subgenres" that exist in the universe? You may not agree with how they are categorized, but who gave you keys to the kingdom?
I'm not being anal, but I think you are. We
were discussing whether EU is a concept album or not-then it became some sort of musicology pissing contest.
Agree to disagree.
QuoteQuoteAlso, how old are you? Were you around and old enough to know how weird the Wall was in 1979, compared to say, The Knack?
Why don't you answer my post properly instead of questioning my age?
I did. You obviously think what I think is shite. Good for you.
Congratulations, the internet works. ;)
GB, you truly know how to make an entrance. I am sorry I didn't take the time to read all of you post, but they seemed a bit long and boring...blah blah blah The Wall sucks blah blah blah Waters sucks blah blah blah Pink Floyd sucks blah blah blah Goat Boys a cunt!
Anyways, I hope you are a MMJ fan, because if your not your in the wrong area. Try http://www.Pink_Flyod_Sucks.com
What's the topic of this discussion...that's right [size=20]MMJ [/size]
Where's Rats when we need him?
This thread never really got going.
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Somehow, this makes me want to sing the "Lolly Lolly Lolly get your adverbs here....quickly quickly quickly get your adverbs here...."
;)
Whatever happened to the honest discussions here? The Wall is a concept album. Period. End of discussion. I don't give a damn if you hate it (post it in the Other Music section).
Also, albums do NOT have to be rock operas to be concept albums. Sgt Peppers is only a concept album because of two bookend tracks.
Evil Urges was specifically designed for a full listen. So why not?
The Wall is great, but Dark Side of the Moon is the best PF concept album. Animals is not.
Haven't heard EU, so I dunno.
QuoteAnimals is not.
Hold up now! What is this???
QuoteEU is not a concept album and you are all gay.
I'm not trying to get into a name calling type argument or anything. I'm no expert on the "concept" album or anything. Jim says there is a "theme" that runs throughout the album...
"There's a theme of moral confusion that runs through the whole record,"
This is a real question; I'm not trying to be sarcastic. What is the difference between a theme running through a whole record and being a concept record? It seems like Jim also uses (like I mentioned earlier) two sides that are linked throughout. Well...he plays two sides against each other throughout and pokes at the divisions being created, that might be a better way to put it.
Evil Urges - Good Intentions (What is considered Evil, What's not hurting anybody, Being Human vs. Being Perfect)
Touch Me I'm Going to Scream – Row a boat across the ocean, dig a hole under the fence. Again, two sides being bridged.
The two different ways "highly suspicious" is being sang (both suspicious of each other) ;)
The two ways he's "Amazed" (Also, Amazed at your divided Nation)
Red light - Green light, Eyes that hypnotize - Demon Eyes, left leg - right leg
There are several more examples; I think that "Librarian" and "Look At You" really hit hard on this theme. "Look At You" is subtle but I really think it's the pinnacle of what is going on throughout the record (Not above, in some tower, but here, right down here with us, in this world). I really think Jim is very introspective and trying to come to terms with some powerful things on this album. LOVE IT, LOVE IT, LOVE IT!!!!
QuoteWhere's Rats when we need him?
This thread never really got going.
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aww Rats :(
operation mindcrime anyone?
http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28082&page=2
See, RandallFlagg, EU IS a concept album and we ARE all Straight. Mostly. Usually. Okay, sometimes. ;D ;D
I don't have the lyrics so I'm not sure, and I might just be projecting but if he really says "Our souls, Our Faith.....Always we were one!!" on REMNANTS then that is Highly Awesome!!!!
A hem, WHAT?
QuoteQuoteAnimals is not.
Hold up now! What is this???
Pretty good observation, don'tcha think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D85yrIgA4Nk&feature=related
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Quote"There's a theme of moral confusion that runs through the whole record," says Jim James, frontman of My Morning Jacket, explaining the title of the band's new album, Evil Urges. "The world today is such a confused place. Things that people think are good values are obviously twisted, but there are other things considered evil that obviously aren't. There is real evil out there, but Evil Urges is about how all of these things that you've been told are evil really aren't, unless they're actually hurting something or somebody."
This to me sounds like a concept album, but not in the sense of like a rock opera like the forementioned "the Wall"
For eviljohnconaway....
You said.
QuoteThe Wall was a pretty far out record in its day, in comparison to the dredges that make up the competition.
You then said the following after I listed some records released in 1979. So you're effectively saying only compare records that belong to the same exacting genre....
QuoteIn comparison to the concept albums and rock music in general of that year...
i.e the competition for The Wall is concept albums and
ROCK music. Which also contradicts something you said prior to that but I'll get round to that.
And...
Quotethe albums you list aren't even comparable in that they aren't of the same subgenre that The Wall exists in.
So, you are saying that they aren't comparable because they aren't apparently concept albums or ROCK music
The records I listed which were, lest we forget -
Talking Heads - Fear Of Music
Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
Clash - London Calling
Elvis Costello - Armed Forces
Pere Ubu - New Picnic Time
Gang of Four - Entertainment
Neil Young - Rust Never Sleeps
Jam - Setting Sons
Aren't comparable because they don't belong to rock? What sub genre does The Wall belong to? It's a rock concept album. That is all. You seem to think that because it has a concept it can't be compared to Fear Of Music or London Calling. I call bullshit. Is that so hard to understand? I listed some of the competition. Check out end of year polls etc for 1979 and you'll see that the NME or Rolling Stone or whatever had no problems comparing The Wall to those albums I listed. You're the anomaly here. Nobody else has a problem comparing the records I listed to The Wall.
You also said....
QuoteI'm thinking more on the lines of things like The Bee Gees, The Knack, disco, etc. being the dredges of 1979...not anything like Wire, The Buzzcocks, Raincoats, etc.
So your comparing The Wall to the bubblegum new wave pop of The Knack and disco etc as the COMPETITION even though they clearly don't belong to the same sub genre as The Wall (whatever that is) and disco isn't even rock music is it? You're contradicting yourself as you're comparing non rock music unfavourably to The Wall when you said earlier
Quotethe albums you list aren't even comparable in that they aren't of the same subgenre that The Wall exists in.
So why compare The Bee Gees or disco unfavourable as the 'dredges' of the competition when neither are 'concept albums' or 'rock music' which, according to you, is the only right comparison?
You also said...
QuotePunk music is different genre altogether, now isn't it? Yes, it has its roots in rock musc (hence the term "punk rock") but you can't actually put Gang of Four next to Pink Floyd and say "stylistically speaking, this is the same shite". Apples and oranges.
Why have you brought up punk? NONE of the records I listed are punk records. NONE. London Calling punk? Nope. Fear Of Music punk? Nope. Rust Never Sleeps punk? And so on. If you're gonna go on about sub genres then Entertainment would be classed as post punk.
QuoteWhere did I say Rust Never Sleeps isn't a rock album?
Once again...
Quotein comparison to the concept albums and rock music in general of that year.
I listed some records, one of which was Rust Never Sleeps. This statement clearly implies the albums I listed aren't rock music. Yeah?
hello everyone,
I'm new here but a i've been lookin around for a while. I'm weak and gave in. I've been listening to the album for a short time now and love it. (Don't worry i'm buying it)
Does anyone think the concept of evil urges means not only moral confusion in society but also the "evil urges" of having influence in their songs. These days bands are trying hard to be so hip and original. I'm thinking MMJ is trying to say that it's okay to sound like another band. you can point each song to a different influence yet it still sounds like the same MMJ you've come to love. This is like the "two sides of the coin" saying that was mentioned before. You want the original side to a band (the better half) but you're always going to get their influences.
Anyways thats just what i think. I could be wrong.
Oh yeah. RandellFlagg, you're an ass.
Quotehello everyone,
I'm new here but a i've been lookin around for a while. I'm weak and gave in. I've been listening to the album for a short time now and love it. (Don't worry i'm buying it)
Does anyone think the concept of evil urges means not only moral confusion in society but also the "evil urges" of having influence in their songs. These days bands are trying hard to be so hip and original. I'm thinking MMJ is trying to say that it's okay to sound like another band. you can point each song to a different influence yet it still sounds like the same MMJ you've come to love. This is like the "two sides of the coin" saying that was mentioned before. You want the original side to a band (the better half) but you're always going to get their influences.
Anyways thats just what i think. I could be wrong.
Oh yeah. RandellFlagg, you're an ass.
Well said! Welcome to the Forum. :)
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Oh yeah. RandellFlagg, you're an ass.
I don't think he'll be back. I think him telling Tracy he was "gonna stick it in his ass" was his last hoorah. You would think he would come up with something better on his way out. Or at least hit on someone younger. ;)