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Dude rips Evil Urges!
He reviewed the album 3 days after it was released.
Wonder if he's changed his mind since then....
Please delete if this has been posted before.
I actually agree with what he says at the bottom: "if you are just looking to get involved with this band, don't get this album." He's 100% correct. This isnt the album to introduce yourself to the band with.
Nope. I haven't changed my mind. There are two differences now though. I can't stand "Evil Urges" & I actually kind of like "Touch Me I'm Going To Scream, Part Two". Other than that...what a freaking bummer man.
However...I did get to see them in Dallas a few nights ago & they sure did not disappoint, as usual. Well...they did play "Highly Suspicious" which made me throw up in my mouth a bit.
I think we should delete this thread. >:(
QuoteNope. I haven't changed my mind. There are two differences now though. I can't stand "Evil Urges" & I actually kind of like "Touch Me I'm Going To Scream, Part Two". Other than that...what a freaking bummer man.
However...I did get to see them in Dallas a few nights ago & they sure did not disappoint, as usual. Well...they did play "Highly Suspicious" which made me throw up in my mouth a bit.
The album sucks sooo bad yet you keep listening to it? That's rich. ;D
Be sure and come back next month and give us another update of which ones you like and don't like.
QuoteN which made me throw up in my mouth a bit.
I am so sick of the 'throw up in my mouth' line. It wasn't even funny in dodgeball. As a writer you think you'd try to be at least a little bit original.
And when beanporn says "writer" he means, "dude with a keyboard".
QuoteAnd when beanporn says "writer" he means, "dude with a keyboard".
;D
By "dude with a keyboard," do you also mean "dude who needs to brush up on his grammar?"
Oh snap. Grammar Burn!
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(positive note) that's a beautiful extinguisher!
oh fuck! 2500 posts!
Quoteoh fuck! 2500 posts!
baller status obtained.
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??
Did this band get pissed because Band Of Horses is now better at being My Morning Jacket than My Morning Jacket is?
and this:
Jim, dude...you aren't sexy. Give it up.
NUFF SAID.
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Did this band get pissed because Band Of Horses is now better at being My Morning Jacket than My Morning Jacket is?
WE ARE THE INNOVATORS. THEY ARE THE IMITATORS.
Quote??
Did this band get pissed because Band Of Horses is now better at being My Morning Jacket than My Morning Jacket is?
and this:
Jim, dude...you aren't sexy. Give it up.
NUFF SAID.
yeah, that's pretty lame. So you don't like Evil Urges, no biggie. it's not personal, so quit trying to make it personal.
over and over and over again, if you're waiting for MMJ to become the stagnant, one trick band of easy consumption, it's simply not going to happen.
here's to Jim James continuing to make music that some people hate [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Quoteoh fuck! 2500 posts!
Congratulations, my friend!
The thing that I like most about Evil Urges as an album is how polarizing it is.
Out of the people I have introduced the band/album to in the past 3 months, roughly 10-15, Highly Suspicious is actually the most well received song. My phish head friends especially fall in love with that track, which I can totally see.
QuoteAnd when beanporn says "writer" he means, "dude with a keyboard".
Dude with a keyboard huh? You would be surprised.
QuoteQuoteAnd when beanporn says "writer" he means, "dude with a keyboard".
;D
By "dude with a keyboard," do you also mean "dude who needs to brush up on his grammar?"
Oh snap. Grammar Burn!
Show me the grammar mistake. Serious. Show it to me. I would love for you to point out my grammar errors.
QuoteQuoteQuoteAnd when beanporn says "writer" he means, "dude with a keyboard".
;D
By "dude with a keyboard," do you also mean "dude who needs to brush up on his grammar?"
Oh snap. Grammar Burn!
Show me the grammar mistake. Serious. Show it to me. I would love for you to point out my grammar errors.
With all due respect man, you feel you have to defend your writing skills to anonymous people on the message board?
think about it
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnd when beanporn says "writer" he means, "dude with a keyboard".
;D
By "dude with a keyboard," do you also mean "dude who needs to brush up on his grammar?"
Oh snap. Grammar Burn!
Show me the grammar mistake. Serious. Show it to me. I would love for you to point out my grammar errors.
With all due respect man, you feel you have to defend your writing skills to anonymous people on the message board?
think about it
With all due respect, does that douchebag feel the need to dog my writing skills on the message board?
Think about it.
By the way Tracy...nice icon. You have to love "Funeral"...greatness right there.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnd when beanporn says "writer" he means, "dude with a keyboard".
;D
By "dude with a keyboard," do you also mean "dude who needs to brush up on his grammar?"
Oh snap. Grammar Burn!
Show me the grammar mistake. Serious. Show it to me. I would love for you to point out my grammar errors.
With all due respect man, you feel you have to defend your writing skills to anonymous people on the message board?
think about it
With all due respect, does that douchebag feel the need to dog my writing skills on the message board?
Think about it.
no need to think about it. You write about how dissapointed you are with a band, dis the lead singer, make comparisons to another newer band, then go to their fans' message forum and expect to be greeted with open arms? 'specially after half of us literally had our faces melted off in Louisville and Nashville? You can't have your cake and eat it too. And I won't get into the name calling, but seriously, what did you expect? WTF is wrong with people who do this? Seriously? WTF?
If you want to stir things up, then give it a go. But if you want to express your disdain for the new album, then maybe this isn't the right place.
You said your peace, I personally disagree, and it is what it is. Sorry you don't "get" Evil urges (and mainly Highly Suspicious). I dig all of it.
I mean, if you're going for some legitimate journalistic integrity here, the [size=14]last thing[/size] you do is go to a band's web site and bait the fans after you trashed the new release.
gimme a break man, show some class.
I didn't post my review here in the first place, somebody else did on the first post.
The only reason I jumped in is because I noticed a link coming in from this message board. I checked it out & wanted to get chatty. Yeah, I don't like the album from a band that I have liked for about six years. I consider it to be a major disappointment & I am definitely not alone.
The only reason I hung around was because my writing skills were criticized & I have a tendency to, you know, stick up for myself.
QuoteI didn't post my review here in the first place, somebody else did on the first post.
The only reason I jumped in is because I noticed a link coming in from this message board. I checked it out & wanted to get chatty. Yeah, I don't like the album from a band that I have liked for about six years. I consider it to be a major disappointment & I am definitely not alone.
The only reason I hung around was because my writing skills were criticized & I have a tendency to, you know, stick up for myself.
sweetie, if you're getting all wee-wee'd over yourself b/c some anonymous person criticized your writing skills, then perhaps writing ain't going to be your bag. You'll need a much thicker skin.
good luck
and here, these guys get it. Sort of pisses you off, doesn't it? That you don't get it? huh? ;D
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I've got no beef with a music critic (and self-described MMJ fan) who doesn't get Evil Urges - it just doesn't grab you like the earlier records, especially if you're using the early style as a reference. But after going to a show and saying you still don't like it, especially Highly Suspicious (which strangely enough seems to have emerged as the biggest live fan favorite from EU), well, then I think you're just trying to stick with your original opinion, and resisting that most evil of urges, that of changing your mind and being accused of becoming (horrors!) a Flip-Flopper. I was also slow to receive EU, but I hesitated to form a strong opinion until it had time to grow on me, and I can say after 3 months and 3 live helpings, I friggin love the record and the live performances thereof. But then, I'm not a blogger.
Know what Tracy? You are exactly right. I get it. I get the fact that I have received 210 visits to my website because of that random link so...I suppose I should just take that & be happy, which I am. I suppose I should feel good that my poor review of a poor album, in effect, worked.
QuoteI've got no beef with a music critic (and self-described MMJ fan) who doesn't get Evil Urges - it just doesn't grab you like the earlier records, especially if you're using the early style as a reference. But after going to a show and saying you still don't like it, especially Highly Suspicious (which strangely enough seems to have emerged as the biggest live fan favorite from EU), well, then I think you're just trying to stick with your original opinion, and resisting that most evil of urges, that of changing your mind and being accused of becoming (horrors!) a Flip-Flopper. I was also slow to receive EU, but I hesitated to form a strong opinion until it had time to grow on me, and I can say after 3 months and 3 live helping, I friggin love the record and the live performances thereof. But then, I'm not a blogger.
Thanks dude. I appreciate the fact that it is possible to like a band, but not like a particular album. I worship the ground Jeff Tweedy walks on but "A Ghost Is Born"? Ugh. Brutal.
I loved the Dallas show! I still don't like "Highly Suspicious" & I never will. I've seen them three times & only left one time disappointed, which was due to the jackass crowd that ruined the show for me.
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I find it funny that a critic can't take criticism.
Since you asked, ending a sentence with a preposition is gramatically incorrect.
I won't even respond to the ridiculous assertion that Jim James isn't sexy. Psssshhhhhh.
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I still don't like "Highly Suspicious" & I never will.
Never say never! That sort of thinking is what keeps people from ever liking different stuff, like fried scorpions. I hated those things when my mom made me eat em when I was a kid, now I can't get enough!
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I won't even respond to the ridiculous assertion that Jim James isn't sexy. Psssshhhhhh.
Can I get an amen?!? ;D
Amen! I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. James in Nashville and I can personally attest to his sexiness. *swoons* ;)
That review is laden with grammatical errors and is plain sloppy in other spots.
i don't think the review was poorly written and everyone's entitled to their opinion--i have a couple friends who said the same about Z and were even less happy w/EU. i also like the wilco comparison but you lost me w/the Band of Horses comment--you smell of pitchfork spawn. BOH are a pretty good band but you're saying you enjoy the mild imitation over the real thing just because the real thing has ventured off into another direction. as a music critic (not saying you are, probably you're just another indie kid w/a domain name), you should at least have given them credit for trying out difference styles and influences and mentioned that they, once again, tried something new w/unabashed confidence, but instead you said you hated the album and couldn't get through it, yet you managed to find 2 songs you really liked,and a few more that were decent (including one that called pretty). So you hated it but really you enjoy 4/5 songs on there--half the album or so? i respect your opinion, just the review is something i would have written about my 5th grade trip to Disneyland. "I like Disneyland. Mickey is nice."
oh and BTW< JIM has always been sexy. !!!!!!!!! :D
QuoteQuoteAnd when beanporn says "writer" he means, "dude with a keyboard".
Dude with a keyboard huh? You would be surprised.
Ohhhhh, I lOVE surprises! :o Lay it on me!
i posted a reply to the review, i'm sure he'll delete it - so i'll paste it here too!
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i've had a couple of my friends that are long time jacket fans have similar KNEE-JERK reactions, then after the infection takes hold, have come to love this evolution of an awesome band.
my one friend that still don't like it is a gay asshole, so who really gives a fuck what he thinks?
It appears the reviewer left off two songs from his sterile breakdown of the album into Great-decent-bad-embarrassing. So Remnants and Smoking from Shooting are what?
QuoteIt appears the reviewer left off two songs from his sterile breakdown of the album into Great-decent-bad-embarrassing. So Remnants and Smoking from Shooting are what?
Mediocre, of course. ::)
On the bright side, it is nice to know that some bloggers are nice enough to speak up and defend their opinion, even in a place where everyone else is against them. This one genuinely doesn't like the album, and isn't saying that because Pitchfork does too.
Then again, Evil Urges is both forms of art: one that describes reality and one that reflects reality. It's far more of a concept album than the Beatles ever came up with. Subtle things like the many ironies of the lyrics in "Two Halves" and little instrumental flourishes throughout make this a very different kind of album. That said, many (perhaps most) people listen to My Morning Jacket looking for an album of heartbreaking, truthful lyrics. If that's all you're listening for here, then you might not take as much away from it. Evil Urges is not that kind of record. It's art in the disguise of pop music. I find it ironic that many hipsters who credit themselves on not being prejudiced against every type of music tend to ignore the artistic value of pop music.
Long live Evil Urges. ;)
Quotemy one friend that still don't like it is a gay asshole, so who really gives a fuck what he thinks?
is he really gay?
QuoteShow me the grammar mistake. Serious. Show it to me. I would love for you to point out my grammar errors.
should be "seriously."
QuoteQuoteShow me the grammar mistake. Serious. Show it to me. I would love for you to point out my grammar errors.
should be "seriously."
;D
QuoteQuoteI've got no beef with a music critic (and self-described MMJ fan) who doesn't get Evil Urges - it just doesn't grab you like the earlier records, especially if you're using the early style as a reference. But after going to a show and saying you still don't like it, especially Highly Suspicious (which strangely enough seems to have emerged as the biggest live fan favorite from EU), well, then I think you're just trying to stick with your original opinion, and resisting that most evil of urges, that of changing your mind and being accused of becoming (horrors!) a Flip-Flopper. I was also slow to receive EU, but I hesitated to form a strong opinion until it had time to grow on me, and I can say after 3 months and 3 live helping, I friggin love the record and the live performances thereof. But then, I'm not a blogger.
Thanks dude. I appreciate the fact that it is possible to like a band, but not like a particular album. I worship the ground Jeff Tweedy walks on but "A Ghost Is Born"? Ugh. Brutal.
I loved the Dallas show! I still don't like "Highly Suspicious" & I never will. I've seen them three times & only left one time disappointed, which was due to the jackass crowd that ruined the show for me.
Well now you have just lost all credibility. A Ghost is Born, brutal? Your opinions are brutal man.
But can you imagine the recent setlists without any Evil Urges tracks? When I listen to Okonokos now I find myself missing really missing tracks like Touch Me, Evil Urges (great song btw) and yes even Highly Suspicious which rocks hard live.
QuoteNope. I haven't changed my mind. There are two differences now though. I can't stand "Evil Urges" & I actually kind of like "Touch Me I'm Going To Scream, Part Two". Other than that...what a freaking bummer man.
However...I did get to see them in Dallas a few nights ago & they sure did not disappoint, as usual. Well...they did play "Highly Suspicious" which made me throw up in my mouth a bit.
Quotei posted a reply to the review, i'm sure he'll delete it - so i'll paste it here too!
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i've had a couple of my friends that are long time jacket fans have similar KNEE-JERK reactions, then after the infection takes hold, have come to love this evolution of an awesome band.
my one friend that still don't like it is a gay asshole, so who really gives a fuck what he thinks?
Nope. It's still there. I normally delete cursing like that but I left it. I pretty much expected at least some sort of response & I don't shy away from comments on my site.
I also don't normally condone that kind of gay bashing either...to each his own I suppose.
Quotei don't think the review was poorly written and everyone's entitled to their opinion--i have a couple friends who said the same about Z and were even less happy w/EU. i also like the wilco comparison but you lost me w/the Band of Horses comment--you smell of pitchfork spawn. BOH are a pretty good band but you're saying you enjoy the mild imitation over the real thing just because the real thing has ventured off into another direction. as a music critic (not saying you are, probably you're just another indie kid w/a domain name), you should at least have given them credit for trying out difference styles and influences and mentioned that they, once again, tried something new w/unabashed confidence, but instead you said you hated the album and couldn't get through it, yet you managed to find 2 songs you really liked,and a few more that were decent (including one that called pretty). So you hated it but really you enjoy 4/5 songs on there--half the album or so? i respect your opinion, just the review is something i would have written about my 5th grade trip to Disneyland. "I like Disneyland. Mickey is nice."
oh and BTW< JIM has always been sexy. !!!!!!!!! :D
I will admit to being a furious Pitchfork reader. That is definitely true. I don't buy into everything they deem cool (Grizzly Bear? BORING AS HELL) but I think they are dead on about 80% of the time.
There are a few folks here that have defended me & I appreciate that. Oddly enough, I am a fan of this band that simply doesn't like one album. Hell, even The Beatles put out a stinker with "Let It Be". It is possible.
It's funny, my favorite song off the new album is Sec Walkin' and my favorite Wilco album is A Ghost Is Born. Different strokes for different folks I guess....
glad your still a fan though! shows some character.
My opinion: while this is BY FAR my least favortie MMJ album as a whole - it does have some of my ALL TIME favorite MMJ tracks - I'm Amazed, Sec Walkin', Thank You Too, Touch Me Pt II & Smokin'. Needless to say, they way I look at this album is just that the boys were tryin to have a good time playin' music.
I thought you were getting treated pretty rough around here but classifying Let It Be as a stinker sends your musical credibility out the window. There a difference between stating your opinion and being ornery just to get a reaction. But you win, because here's mine:
Across the Universe, I Got a Feeling, Let It Be, those tracks are stinkers?!? That's crazy.
But this guy's better than Pitchfork. They haven't liked a jacket album yet including At Dawn and It Still Moves. Their highest ranked album from pitchfork is the at dawn and tn fire demos. great release, but that's crazy, too.
The ONLY thing wrong with Let It Be was the bullshit that Spector did to it.
Two Of Us, Dig A Pony, I Me Mine, One After 909, Get Back, more great tunes to add to Drake's examples...sure, Let It Be and Long And Winding Road are kinda sappy and boring, but still. I guess you just have to hate stuff if you're going to be a critic...
You lost me with the mindless retort on your site about being an idiot for buying Evil Urges.
F him!
Quote??
Did this band get pissed because Band Of Horses is now better at being My Morning Jacket than My Morning Jacket is?
and this:
Jim, dude...you aren't sexy. Give it up.
Band of horses are a one trick pony...Big sound, but no MMJ, by any means...Still, gotta confess that I'm not down with the Evil Urges...Seems kind of uneven, but it could grow on me, you never know...Maybe seeing them at the Greek in a few weeks will help?!
NUFF SAID.