I was wondering if you guys would be into a MMJ song tournament. If so, every day I will post four new matchups as selected by a random number generator. We will all vote for our favorites. The vote will be up from 6 PM on the first day until 6 PM on the second. At that time, four new matchups will begin. As we clear the preliminary stages, songs that won will battle others that won until we crown a champion, basically a march madness setup. I think that it would be best to only faceoff songs from the five main albums so that less experienced/obsessive fans can play too. If you like the idea, we'll begin Monday. If you have suggestions/do not want to do this at all, please post here. Thanks.
Sure. Anyone taking bets?
If it's just from the 5 LP's, how is Cobra gonna stomp that ass into the final four?
We can include EPs if you guys want. I'd like to see where Cobra ends up too. I just thought it'd be better for the casual fans if we didn't. But if you guys would prefer it, I'm up for adding them in.
Sounds like fun. I think we should include at least the highlights from the EPs. It's Been a Great 3 or 4 years is my dark horse. ;)
I'd feel better if you had more than nine posts, but I'll vote for as long as you keep it up.
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I'd feel better if you had more than nine posts, but I'll vote for as long as you keep it up.
But at least xmascriminal isn't bitching about something or trying to buy/sell tickets. We all had 9 posts at one time or another.
I'm in.
sounds like a ripping good time!
You need 64 songs right? Or are you going to have a "play in" game? ;)
QuoteYou need 64 songs right? Or are you going to have a "play in" game? ;)
I think that would be the most interesting game there; choose the "worst" 2 MMJ songs.
I'm betting everything I have on "Into the Woods" not making it out of the first round. A lock if there ever was one...
QuoteI'm betting everything I have on "Into the Woods" not making it out of the first round. A lock if there ever was one...
How much do you have?
Okay, I've added in the three songs from the Split single and those from Chocolate and Ice. So that's what it'll be: the five LPs and the two EPs. We'll begin monday at 6 PM.
QuoteQuoteI'm betting everything I have on "Into the Woods" not making it out of the first round. A lock if there ever was one...
How much do you have?
About $16
What are we calling this thing?
...the obvious one..."My Morning Madness"
...a little more obscure..."The Jacket Bracket" or "Jacket Bracket Attack"
What's up?
I like Jacket Bracket Attack. Anybody else?
QuoteI like Jacket Bracket Attack. Anybody else?
Agreed!
Okay, here's the latest. Including the EPs, it comes out a little weird. Basically, one song would skip a round because it would have no competition. It really doesn't alter it too much but if that's going to be a problem, we could eliminate the EPs from contention. Whatever you guys prefer. It would be simpler with 64 songs instead of the 72 I have. If you guys want, there's room for one song in that 64 that's not on the albums (I was just going to include Chills since it was the extra track on iTunes), so we could vote on which EP song should be in the competition or we could just put in Cobra, since that would obviously win.
dondante first round bye!!!!
Since the LPs total 64 songs sans the instrumentals on TTF and At Dawn that would be perfect for a 64 team bracket
Afterwards we could do a NIT-esque tourney including lesser knowns: Choco & Ice (minus 3 or 4 Years), Xmas Fiasco Style (6 songer), Early Recordings Vols. 1 & 2, Off The Record Single (UK version minus the Off The Records), Run Thru (minus Run Thru), Split EP (minus Year in Review and Translation) At Dawn/TTF Demos Package (minus L.O.Z. Intro and Magic Man)
Well that might sound really convoluted and confusing, but it totals 64 songs by my count. Also doesn't include Okonokos but does the demos package, so could be tweaked if necessary. Anways, just a thought.
QuoteSince the LPs total 64 songs sans the instrumentals on TTF and At Dawn that would be perfect for a 64 team bracket
Afterwards we could do a NIT-esque tourney including lesser knowns: Choco & Ice (minus 3 or 4 Years), Xmas Fiasco Style (6 songer), Early Recordings Vols. 1 & 2, Off The Record Single (UK version minus the Off The Records), Run Thru (minus Run Thru), Split EP (minus Year in Review and Translation) At Dawn/TTF Demos Package (minus L.O.Z. Intro and Magic Man)
Well that might sound really convoluted and confusing, but it totals 64 songs by my count. Also doesn't include Okonokos but does the demos package, so could be tweaked if necessary. Anways, just a thought.
Agreed!
The LPs actually only total 63 songs. So, for the 64th song, do you guys want to include Cobra, Chills or something else? The guy above me is right, it is much simpler without all the EP tracks.
Let's do a play-in game between Chills and Cobra. I'll bet Cobra wins, but for me that would be a tough choice.
I think maybe we should go with Chills since it was on the iTunes version of Z. Cobra would go really far but it would be kind of weird to include that and not include other EP songs. At least with Chills, we have an excuse.
Cobra has been put in the live show far more times than Chills has. Especially on this last tour.
QuoteI think maybe we should go with Chills since it was on the iTunes version of Z. Cobra would go really far but it would be kind of weird to include that and not include other EP songs. At least with Chills, we have an excuse.
The same excuse could also be used for How Could I Know. And I know a lot of people who like that just as much as Chills.
I've gotta give my vote to Where to Begin. It's probably the most important (and overlooked) non-album release.
I thought Where to Begin might be a good option too, and I did consider that they've been playing Cobra pretty often. Lil Billy's an option since it's neutral (never on an album or an EP) but a good percentage of people might still know it. Including Good Intentions would make it even, but that doesn't make much sense.
butch cassidy for prez
BUT Dondante will win
My guess is Steam Engine.
I really enjoy How Do You Know. Maybe a separate bracket for non-album tracks?
Not to get ahead of ourselves, but if a second tournament is done with non-LP songs, and since the NIT is 32 teams anyways:
1.Can You See The Hard Helmet On My Head? (Chocolate And Ice)
2.Sooner (Chocolate And Ice)
3.Cobra (Chocolate And Ice)
4.Holy (Chocolate And Ice)
5.Sweetheart (Chocolate And Ice)
6.I Just Wanted To Say (Does Xmas Fiasco Style)
7.Xmas Time Is Here (Does Xmas Fiasco Style)
8.Weeks Go By Like Days (Early Recordings Vol. 1)
9.What Will I Do? (Early Recordings Vol. 1)
10.Downtown (Early Recordings Vol. 1)
11.I Just Wanted To Be Your Friend (Early Recordings Vol. 1)
12.Time Never Gets (Early Recordings Vol. 1)
13.Isobella w/ The White Umbrella (Early Recordings Vol. 1)
14.Josta Dreams And Bitter Hands (Early Recordings Vol. 1)
15.When Will They Come?? (Early Recordings Vol. 1)
16.Somebody Cares About The Maestro (Early Recordings Vol. 1)
17.Tonite I Want 2 Celebrate w/ You! (Early Recordings Vol. 2)
18.Nothing 2 Me (Early Recordings Vol. 2)
19.I Won't Cry! (Early Recordings Vol. 2)
20.That Someone Else Was You (Early Recordings Vol. 2)
21.Good Nights and Happy Trails!!!!! (Early Recordings Vol. 2)
22.How Could I Know (Off The Record Single)
23.Chills (Off The Record Single)
24.Breathin' (Run Thru)
25.O Is The One That Is Real (Split)
26.How Do You Know (Split)
27.Come Closer (Split)
28.Lil' Billy (Demos Package)
29.Where To Begin (Elizabethtown)
30.R.I.P.V.G. (Heartbreakin' Man EP)
31.Epichord (Louisville Is For Lovers, vol. 6)
32.I Can't Wait (Not recorded, various live)
33.Wonderful (The Way I Feel) (Not recorded, various live)
This removes any covers and songs that would eventually make albums. Assuming one of these 33 songs would get bumped to the LP tourney, it would leave 32 songs, or a play in game would be needed. Suggestions definitely welcome.
This could get big...we may need corporate sponsorship...at very least, t-shirts. ;D
Great job lime. We'll definitely do that after the album tournament. I've never heard Epichord or I Can't Wait. In the meantime, I'm thinking that we should go with Lil' Billy as #64, becuase it's neutral but it's on an album. Thoughts?
I would either include "Chills" because it is on the Z vinyl or "Cobra" because it deserves to be with the big boys. A play-in game may be necessary.
I think we should save Cobra so that it can be king of the b-sides. What I'm planning is to crown a single champion, so we'll have a faceoff between the winners of the two tournaments.
Let's give dondante a bye and get on with it.
QuoteNot to get ahead of ourselves, but if a second tournament is done with non-LP songs, and since the NIT is 32 teams anyways:
1.Can You See The Hard Helmet On My Head? (Chocolate And Ice)
2.Sooner (Chocolate And Ice)
3.Cobra (Chocolate And Ice)
4.Holy (Chocolate And Ice)
5.Sweetheart (Chocolate And Ice)
6.I Just Wanted To Say (Does Xmas Fiasco Style)
7.Xmas Time Is Here (Does Xmas Fiasco Style)
8.Weeks Go By Like Days (Early Recordings Vol. 1)
9.What Will I Do? (Early Recordings Vol. 1)
10.Downtown (Early Recordings Vol. 1)
11.I Just Wanted To Be Your Friend (Early Recordings Vol. 1)
12.Time Never Gets (Early Recordings Vol. 1)
13.Isobella w/ The White Umbrella (Early Recordings Vol. 1)
14.Josta Dreams And Bitter Hands (Early Recordings Vol. 1)
15.When Will They Come?? (Early Recordings Vol. 1)
16.Somebody Cares About The Maestro (Early Recordings Vol. 1)
17.Tonite I Want 2 Celebrate w/ You! (Early Recordings Vol. 2)
18.Nothing 2 Me (Early Recordings Vol. 2)
19.I Won't Cry! (Early Recordings Vol. 2)
20.That Someone Else Was You (Early Recordings Vol. 2)
21.Good Nights and Happy Trails!!!!! (Early Recordings Vol. 2)
22.How Could I Know (Off The Record Single)
23.Chills (Off The Record Single)
24.Breathin' (Run Thru)
25.O Is The One That Is Real (Split)
26.How Do You Know (Split)
27.Come Closer (Split)
28.Lil' Billy (Demos Package)
29.Where To Begin (Elizabethtown)
30.R.I.P.V.G. (Heartbreakin' Man EP)
31.Epichord (Louisville Is For Lovers, vol. 6)
32.I Can't Wait (Not recorded, various live)
33.Wonderful (The Way I Feel) (Not recorded, various live)
This removes any covers and songs that would eventually make albums. Assuming one of these 33 songs would get bumped to the LP tourney, it would leave 32 songs, or a play in game would be needed. Suggestions definitely welcome.
I think we can get rid of Wonderful (The Way I Feel), because I think we're all pretty sure that it's going on the Monsters of Folk album.
What about You Gotta Have Spirit? :-/
what about Where To Begin.
QuoteLet's give dondante a bye and get on with it.
Ha! Nice...
Dondantes got the first round bye for sure and where to begin has gotta get in, even if it is a bubble song, wtb would not be happy if got snubbed a tourney bid, my analyst's are projecting it to go deep into this thing and to be a big time player ;)
So what are the rules and how do we play?
Let's get this thing started. Should be interesting.
It begins at 8 PM. Rules will be posted then, along with the first matches.
If Where to Begin gets left out of this, I'm going to be very upset. :'(
QuoteIt begins at 8 PM. Rules will be posted then, along with the first matches.
So if I don't have internet at home, and I'm at home at 8 pm, I won't get to play? Or can I catch up to this during my work day? SOrry if I'm missing something. :-/
You can catch up. Matches will be open for 24 hours. They will begin, every day including weekends, at 8 PM and end at 8 PM the following day when the next match begins. And Where to Begin is in.
QuoteYou can catch up. Matches will be open for 24 hours. They will begin, every day including weekends, at 8 PM and end at 8 PM the following day when the next match begins. And Where to Begin is in.
Hey, thanks again for setting this up :)
No problem. In an hour and forty minutes, Jacket Bracket Attack will commence.
Hey xmascriminal...thanks for this. This tourney is already HOT!!! :)
Out of curiosity, how are you determining each song match up?
QuoteOut of curiosity, how are you determining each song match up?
the original post suggests a random number generator....I envision one of those lottery ball machines...I want one!
Yep, I just put all their songs into a numbered list and used a sequence generator.
At what point do the power houses of Steam Engine and Dondante meet? That could be an epic battle of huge proportions.
QuoteAt what point do the power houses of Steam Engine and Dondante meet? That could be an epic battle of huge proportions.
The suspense is keeeeling me!!! :D
QuoteQuoteAt what point do the power houses of Steam Engine and Dondante meet? That could be an epic battle of huge proportions.
The suspense is keeeeling me!!! :D
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I could see SE winning it all, IMO. That or Highly Suspicious! :D
QuoteQuoteAt what point do the power houses of Steam Engine and Dondante meet? That could be an epic battle of huge proportions.
The suspense is keeeeling me!!! :D
They are not battling each other. It's all completely random. That being said, I'm really looking forward to seeing how the Dondante match turns out.
QuoteQuoteQuoteAt what point do the power houses of Steam Engine and Dondante meet? That could be an epic battle of huge proportions.
The suspense is keeeeling me!!! :D
They are not battling each other. It's all completely random. That being said, I'm really looking forward to seeing how the Dondante match turns out.
They will be eventually. :)
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAt what point do the power houses of Steam Engine and Dondante meet? That could be an epic battle of huge proportions.
The suspense is keeeeling me!!! :D
They are not battling each other. It's all completely random. That being said, I'm really looking forward to seeing how the Dondante match turns out.
They will be eventually. :)
Damn right...''we're gonna turn this mutha out!'' 8-)
I think the important thing to remember is we are voting on the studio versions of these songs, not how much we like it live. Example: the studio Run Thru is not as good as it has become live.
QuoteI think the important thing to remember is we are voting on the studio versions of these songs, not how much we like it live. Example: the studio Run Thru is not as good as it has become live.
Really? I was thinking of it as a song, taking into account the studio version, live versions, and the kitchen sink. Or maybe not focusing on a performance of the song but on the composition. That may be tough to separate especially for those without knowledge of songwriting. I guess I could do it your way.
Personally, I think that a song doesn't reaveal its true quality until you hear it live. It's too easy to manipulate things in the studio. A live performance is like an initiation rite. I didn't realize how good Sec Walkin', Highly Suspicious and Run Thru were until I saw them live.
QuoteQuoteI think the important thing to remember is we are voting on the studio versions of these songs, not how much we like it live. Example: the studio Run Thru is not as good as it has become live.
Really? I was thinking of it as a song, taking into account the studio version, live versions, and the kitchen sink. Or maybe not focusing on a performance of the song but on the composition. That may be tough to separate especially for those without knowledge of songwriting. I guess I could do it your way.
Well, I don't want anyone to think that I don't love the studio version of Run Thru, but to me it is the "Let's run down there and bang one of those heffers" version, as the Okonokos version is the "Let's walk down there and bang them all!"
It's kinda tough, really...and I guess everyone can vote how they want, but when we were forced to choose between Heartbreakin' Man and Wordless Chorus, I went with WC because it I remember being impacted by it moreso than HM. However, after hearing HM at the Louisville show, it blew my fooking mind! So.... :-/
So is the entire bracket "set" so to speak, or will you "reseed" after every round?
The bracket is set.
Okay, I've looked into it and we can definitely do a losers tournament. The only question is, do you guys want to do it before or after the b-sides?
I'm more interested in the b-sides tournament. I think least favorite song would actually be fun, though a bit weird.
Least favorite would be fun. Is that what you guys meant? By losers, I thought we'd have a tournament with the 32 songs that got knocked out round one (since people were upset about Where to Begin and so on). If I got it wrong, we can switch it up. If not, we can do both. Let me know.
QuoteLeast favorite would be fun. Is that what you guys meant? By losers, I thought we'd have a tournament with the 32 songs that got knocked out round one (since people were upset about Where to Begin and so on). If I got it wrong, we can switch it up. If not, we can do both. Let me know.
Both. I like these! ;D
Maybe we can take this all the way to One Big final four matchup. It could consist of:
1. The winner of the 64 LP's bracket
2. The winner of the 32 B sides bracket
3. The winner of the Losers (from the 64 LP's bracket)
4. The winner of the Losers (from the 32 B sides bracket)
***of course you would vote for your favorite in all four brackets.
This would make for an all inclusive, balls out, kick ass tourny. Everyone who is crushed over their team/song getting the early boot would still have a hope for the reckoning in the ultimate final four matchup. How 'bout it...do YOU have the stones for this kinda shit!? ;)
QuoteMaybe we can take this all the way to One Big final four matchup. It could consist of:
1. The winner of the 64 LP's bracket
2. The winner of the 32 B sides bracket
3. The winner of the Losers (from the 64 LP's bracket)
4. The winner of the Losers (from the 32 B sides bracket)
***of course you would vote for your favorite in all four brackets.
This would make for an all inclusive, balls out, kick ass tourny. Everyone who is crushed over their team/song getting the early boot would still have a hope for the reckoning in the ultimate final four matchup. How 'bout it...do YOU have the stones for this kinda shit!? ;)
I think this would be excellent, but I just don't know how much pressure xmas can handle. Maybe someone should offer a little help(if needed of course).
Not It! ;D
QuoteMaybe we can take this all the way to One Big final four matchup. It could consist of:
1. The winner of the 64 LP's bracket
2. The winner of the 32 B sides bracket
3. The winner of the Losers (from the 64 LP's bracket)
4. The winner of the Losers (from the 32 B sides bracket)
***of course you would vote for your favorite in all four brackets.
This would make for an all inclusive, balls out, kick ass tourny. Everyone who is crushed over their team/song getting the early boot would still have a hope for the reckoning in the ultimate final four matchup. How 'bout it...do YOU have the stones for this kinda shit!? ;)
Yeah, let's do it. Definitely. And after that's all over, we can do a least favorite tournament too. I'm more than willing to do this stuff for as long as it takes. My schedule might get a little more sporadic around Christmas time, but there's not even a question now. We're doing this. I don't need any help. I'm having too much fun. :D :D :D :D
I love every idea except for the "least favorite" vote.
I was planning on leaving whether we do that one or not up to you guys. I personally think it'd be really interesting. However, we'll definitely do what Easy Way suggested.
QuoteI love every idea except for the "least favorite" vote.
Yeah, I'm not comfortable with the 'least favorite' game. The way I see it is that MMJ is a progressive movement. Bringing a counter system into such a wonderful place will not deter the machine, but could bring about some unwanted {{{vibes}}} to our land. Also, you never know how someone may take such a criticism on their 'holy grail' tune being the least favorite. The boys are saving lives so I say we keep it moving forward. :)
QuoteQuoteMaybe we can take this all the way to One Big final four matchup. It could consist of:
1. The winner of the 64 LP's bracket
2. The winner of the 32 B sides bracket
3. The winner of the Losers (from the 64 LP's bracket)
4. The winner of the Losers (from the 32 B sides bracket)
***of course you would vote for your favorite in all four brackets.
This would make for an all inclusive, balls out, kick ass tourny. Everyone who is crushed over their team/song getting the early boot would still have a hope for the reckoning in the ultimate final four matchup. How 'bout it...do YOU have the stones for this kinda shit!? ;)
Yeah, let's do it. Definitely. And after that's all over, we can do a least favorite tournament too. I'm more than willing to do this stuff for as long as it takes. My schedule might get a little more sporadic around Christmas time, but there's not even a question now. We're doing this. I don't need any help. I'm having too much fun. :D :D :D :D
Nice enthusiasm xmas! I'm glad you're having as much fun with this as we are. Thanks again... :)
QuoteQuoteI love every idea except for the "least favorite" vote.
Yeah, I'm not comfortable with the 'least favorite' game. The way I see it is that MMJ is a progressive movement. Bringing a counter system into such a wonderful place will not deter the machine, but could bring about some unwanted {{{vibes}}} to our land. Also, you never know how someone may take such a criticism on their 'holy grail' tune being the least favorite. The boys are saving lives so I say we keep it moving forward. :)
But also keep in mind that we are all voting on personal opinion. We are all big boys and girls, and I can promise my feelings won't be hurt if mine is low or last. People not liking is not going to change my opinion of loving it. I say to do the least favorite.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI love every idea except for the "least favorite" vote.
Yeah, I'm not comfortable with the 'least favorite' game. The way I see it is that MMJ is a progressive movement. Bringing a counter system into such a wonderful place will not deter the machine, but could bring about some unwanted {{{vibes}}} to our land. Also, you never know how someone may take such a criticism on their 'holy grail' tune being the least favorite. The boys are saving lives so I say we keep it moving forward. :)
But also keep in mind that we are all voting on personal opinion. We are all big boys and girls, and I can promise my feelings won't be hurt if mine is low or last. People not liking is not going to change my opinion of loving it. I say to do the least favorite.
Right on...I'm just not hip to it, but I'm having a blast with this one. Very grown up attitude, btw. ;D
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI love every idea except for the "least favorite" vote.
Yeah, I'm not comfortable with the 'least favorite' game. The way I see it is that MMJ is a progressive movement. Bringing a counter system into such a wonderful place will not deter the machine, but could bring about some unwanted {{{vibes}}} to our land. Also, you never know how someone may take such a criticism on their 'holy grail' tune being the least favorite. The boys are saving lives so I say we keep it moving forward. :)
But also keep in mind that we are all voting on personal opinion. We are all big boys and girls, and I can promise my feelings won't be hurt if mine is low or last. People not liking is not going to change my opinion of loving it. I say to do the least favorite.
Right on...I'm just not hip to it, but I'm having a blast with this one. Very grown up attitude, btw. ;D
After I posted it, I thought it seemed a bit assy in tone. But, I'm glad to see the humor was seen in it. I'm not even sure what being grown up is thesedays.. :D