which is better?
it kinda bothered me how kol got the cover of rs before mmj. I think mmj deserves the popularity more than kol. ?argue and discuss.
Quotewhich is better?
it kinda bothered me how kol got the cover of rs before mmj. I think mmj deserves the popularity more than kol. ?argue and discuss.
MMJ DESTROYS kol. Lets get serious. >:(
BTW rolling stone sucks at life
I do not like KoL that much. I've tried to get into them numerous times, but they never really did it for me.
And yeah, Rolling Stone is terrible. I'm surprised that being on their cover still comes with some sort of prestige......
QuoteAnd yeah, Rolling Stone is terrible. I'm surprised that being on their cover still comes with some sort of prestige......
Well, it doesn't - but I'll be happy for MMJ if or when they make the cover, I'm always rooting for the guys to get the recognition they've worked so hard for...
But as for Rolling Stone... it's a very, very crappy magazine that jumped the shark many years ago. I got to a point a couple of years ago where I finally called them and asked them to stop sending it to me. Every issue proved they knew less about music than they did about politics.
QuoteI do not like KoL that much. I've tried to get into them numerous times, but they never really did it for me.
And yeah, Rolling Stone is terrible. I'm surprised that being on their cover still comes with some sort of prestige......
Agreed. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
MMJ making Spin Cover > KoL making Rolling Stone Cover
KoL is hardly bad, but them being on the RS cover first hardly bothers me.
Basically, it means KoL have "sold out" more than MMJ, and in a shorter period of time.
I see these occurrences as just another positive for the Jacket
HAHAhhaaha KOL vs. MMJ is funny.
QuoteHAHAhhaaha KOL vs. MMJ is funny.
that :D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ux3-a9RE1Q
They were on the cover, they just had to share it, but I get your point.
Obviously, I think MMJ>KOL, but I also think MMJ>Zac Efron and almost all the other clowns they put on their covers. Rolling Stone is a shitty, corporate magazine and it shouldn't matter what they think of musical greatness anymore.
KOL are the rock version of the Jonas Brothers. They were basically signed by the record company because they "looked good". The first two albums were ok but they have just gotten worse as they have gotten bigger. They are the type of band who does everything the label says as long as they get rich and can party. On the other hand MMJ have done it on their own, in articles they actually talk about the music, and they have just gotten better and better live and on record. They are in a postition where they can make the music they want without anyone looking over their shoulder and telling them what to do. They probably will never be as big, sell as many tickets or be on the cover of RS but that is probably a good thing.
QuoteKOL are the rock version of the Jonas Brothers. They were basically signed by the record company because they "looked good". The first two albums were ok but they have just gotten worse as they have gotten bigger. They are the type of band who does everything the label says as long as they get rich and can party. On the other hand MMJ have done it on their own, in articles they actually talk about the music, and they have just gotten better and better live and on record. They are in a postition where they can make the music they want without anyone looking over their shoulder and telling them what to do. They probably will never be as big, sell as many tickets or be on the cover of RS but that is probably a good thing.
its safe to say that they are golden gods. and I worship them.
id say this is hardly a conversation.
KOL will - at best - end up being the Foo Fighters of this generation. a constant barrage of radio hits, arena tours, etc. while being way better than most of the other huge commercial radio bands, but still not being that great.
that is a pretty low ceiling if you ask me.
I would be suprised if KOL didn't dissolve into the "where are they now" files. I saw them in Nashville at a bar probably 5 years ago, on a spur of the moment gig, that they played to get out of the studio, and they were cooking. No make up, no hair-dos, nothing, just plain old rock and roll and they did rock; they brought it. I see them today on TV and they look really dumb (to me) and their music seems to have followed. They rock out great, but to me when they get all touchy feely or cerebral, they lose me.
But don't hate them b/c they are beautiful. People do that to me and, well, it hurts... :-/
QuoteKOL are the rock version of the Jonas Brothers. They were basically signed by the record company because they "looked good". The first two albums were ok but they have just gotten worse as they have gotten bigger. They are the type of band who does everything the label says as long as they get rich and can party. On the other hand MMJ have done it on their own, in articles they actually talk about the music, and they have just gotten better and better live and on record. They are in a postition where they can make the music they want without anyone looking over their shoulder and telling them what to do. They probably will never be as big, sell as many tickets or be on the cover of RS but that is probably a good thing.
True
QuoteI would be suprised if KOL didn't dissolve into the "where are they now" files. I saw them in Nashville at a bar probably 5 years ago, on a spur of the moment gig, that they played to get out of the studio, and they were cooking. No make up, no hair-dos, nothing, just plain old rock and roll and they did rock; they brought it. I see them today on TV and they look really dumb (to me) and their music seems to have followed. They rock out great, but to me when they get all touchy feely or cerebral, they lose me.
But don't hate them b/c they are beautiful. People do that to me and, well, it hurts... :-/
AKA....Like WOMAN
Also, I can't even believe im debating this. Name one kol song that can even sniff the ass of an MMJ b-side. Dear Wife, el caporal, Chills, Where To Begin etc.
Obviously I like MMJ a bit. (Really? Understatement of the year?) I also like KOL but I'm not really sure why we are comparing them. :-/
QuoteObviously I like MMJ a bit. (Really? Understatement of the year?) I also like KOL but I'm not really sure why we are comparing them. :-/
That's why (until now) I'm staying out of this. It's like comparing buffalo wings and eggs-over-medium. Sure they're both two of the best products of chicken, but they are totally different meals altogether. You should never compare them.
QuoteQuoteObviously I like MMJ a bit. (Really? Understatement of the year?) I also like KOL but I'm not really sure why we are comparing them. :-/
That's why (until now) I'm staying out of this. It's like comparing buffalo wings and eggs-over-medium. Sure they're both two of the best products of chicken, but they are totally different meals altogether. You should never compare them.
agreed
QuoteAlso, I can't even believe im debating this. Name one kol song that can even sniff the ass of an MMJ b-side. Dear Wife, el caporal, Chills, Where To Begin etc.
Most of the songs off their first 2 releases kick ass, IMO. The louder the better.
Trani? Dusty? Fucking awesome.
QuoteQuoteAlso, I can't even believe im debating this. Name one kol song that can even sniff the ass of an MMJ b-side. Dear Wife, el caporal, Chills, Where To Begin etc.
Most of the songs off their first 2 releases kick ass, IMO. The louder the better.
I think its just not my thing. I dont really dislike them. I just dont think they can stand up to a battle against Yim Yames and the boys.
QuoteQuoteAlso, I can't even believe im debating this. Name one kol song that can even sniff the ass of an MMJ b-side. Dear Wife, el caporal, Chills, Where To Begin etc.
Most of the songs off their first 2 releases kick ass, IMO. The louder the better.
QuoteTrani? Dusty? Fucking awesome.
Holy Roller Novocane? Genius?
just for the hell of discussing nothing to be taken seriously at all. I just saw kol in concert and while i think they're good and tight live, they aren't as a show as mmj. mmj will do jams change up the song and stuff and kol just plays it. I also thinks looks also got them where they are. at the concert it was two types of people : college guys and college to teeny girls screaming for the band. I'm not saying mmj is made up of ugly people . I did think KOL's guitarist did look like the 4 jonas brother. (he looks 14) maybe i'll make a thread on the kol forum and see what they say> :D
QuoteKOL are the rock version of the Jonas Brothers
Jonas brothers aren't a rock band?? :-?
QuoteQuoteKOL are the rock version of the Jonas Brothers
Jonas brothers aren't a rock band?? :-?
if they aren't- then neither is hanah montana- and we all know THAT is a lie.
QuoteQuoteKOL are the rock version of the Jonas Brothers.
Jonas brothers aren't a rock band?? :-?
this must be rock
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i don't really get the comparison either. KOL are good at what do and i think it ends there. I don't think any member of the band has any music direction or vision, other than Caleb always knowing he wanted to be famous. MMJ have infinite potential and have taken risks and are so versatile..i just don't see the comparison w/these 2 at all. Anyone who spends times on boards (what i've heard people have done other alt rock boards) contemplating this doesn't really get MMJ at least.
KOL-i loved their first 2 albums and parts of their other 2. but i had to write a letter to the editor about that RS article. Austin Skaggs either portrayed (or exposed) them as a bunch of poseur pretty boys who care way too much about partying and being cool, basically record company pawns. Not even because it really seems like they just don't care. There wasn't one mention of music in there other than the shout outs to Wilco and Ryan Adams for having enough balz to play country tunes. At least they recognize what they are in it for (at least for right now).
Which ones Leon?
I find the vocals grating so I am unable to listen to them.
QuoteWhich ones Leon?
I find the vocals grating so I am unable to listen to them.
Leon is their grandfather's name.
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KOL-i loved their first 2 albums and parts of their other 2. but i had to write a letter to the editor about that RS article. Austin Skaggs either portrayed (or exposed) them as a bunch of poseur pretty boys who care way too much about partying and being cool, basically record company pawns. Not even because it really seems like they just don't care. There wasn't one mention of music in there other than the shout outs to Wilco and Ryan Adams for having enough balz to play country tunes. At least they recognize what they are in it for (at least for right now).
If this gets printed, let us know!
QuoteWhich ones Leon?
I find the vocals grating so I am unable to listen to them.
Your profile picture is awesome 8-)
I really like the first three KOL albums but I just can't get into Only By The Night (except for Cold Desert and Closer). MMJ have never disappointed me.
I think Caleb is a really good songwriter though.
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I have always read Rolling Stone and used to wonder about the covers, not too hard to figure out.
"Pan the Dead and put The Village People on the cover. Fuck You!" Is how Paul Kantner said it in a letter once.
RS had n-sync or the back door boys on the cover of their rag when inside there were obits for Doug Sahm and Rick Danko!
We keep Rolling Stone in the bathroom for a reason. No Paper No Worry.
I wonder why they don't print my letters.,
QuoteRS had n-sync or the back door boys on the cover of their rag when inside there were obits for Doug Sahm and Rick Danko!
We keep Rolling Stone in the bathroom for a reason. No Paper No Worry.
So why still buy it when there are alternative, arguably far better music mags out there? Mojo & Uncut are good examples, recent covers? John & Yoko, Jimmy Page, Neil Young, Stone Roses, Nick Drake etc :)
RS isn't the only mag in the house,we have others.
Just sayin' the cover photo issue is nothing new, famous people see it too hence the name drop. Thanks for reply if you come over you don't have to use Rolling Stone :)
QuoteThanks for reply if you come over you don't have to use Rolling Stone :)
Cool! (you've got one of these, right?)
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QuoteQuoteThanks for reply if you come over you don't have to use Rolling Stone :)
Cool! (you've got one of these, right?)
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No I don't ;D Bring one with. I think it's time to throw the Rolling Stone back issues out ;)
QuoteQuoteQuoteThanks for reply if you come over you don't have to use Rolling Stone :)
Cool! (you've got one of these, right?)
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No I don't ;D Bring one with. I think it's time to throw the Rolling Stone back issues out ;)
Set these on shuffle & then we'll be sorted ;)
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Good thinkin' man. Have the catalog might shuffle it.
QuoteQuoteRS had n-sync or the back door boys on the cover of their rag when inside there were obits for Doug Sahm and Rick Danko!
We keep Rolling Stone in the bathroom for a reason. No Paper No Worry.
So why still buy it when there are alternative, arguably far better music mags out there? Mojo & Uncut are good examples, recent covers? John & Yoko, Jimmy Page, Neil Young, Stone Roses, Nick Drake etc :)
These magazines are great except for that fact that if you live in the US one issue costs the same as a year long subscription to Rolling Stone. I love Uncut and Mojo but its expensive. Magazines are dead in the US. I just got a subscription to Paste for $5 and I expect that to be gone soon too.
kings of leon kind of sucks... like... a lot.
First off there is no comparison. Jim James would rip every one of their faces off and wipe his ass wit it.
Now that's out of the way: KoL aren't a bad band, they just have nothing original about them. Whereas MMJ is the re-definition of kick you in the face with awesomeness and rock! You could have at least made this interesting said MMJ vs Zeppelin or Jim James vs Ludwig Van Beethoven!
QuoteQuoteQuoteRS had n-sync or the back door boys on the cover of their rag when inside there were obits for Doug Sahm and Rick Danko!
We keep Rolling Stone in the bathroom for a reason. No Paper No Worry.
So why still buy it when there are alternative, arguably far better music mags out there? Mojo & Uncut are good examples, recent covers? John & Yoko, Jimmy Page, Neil Young, Stone Roses, Nick Drake etc :)
These magazines are great except for that fact that if you live in the US one issue costs the same as a year long subscription to Rolling Stone. I love Uncut and Mojo but its expensive. Magazines are dead in the US. I just got a subscription to Paste for $5 and I expect that to be gone soon too.
Same here in Japan. I buy Mojo, Uncut, Q & Empire every month and they're about $10 each.
I found Spin magazine online...not sure if it happens every month?
http://digital.spin.com/spin/200905/
Lots of music non-related ads, which always pisses me off + you can't take your PC into the john ;)
Im prob in the minority when it comes to KOL at this board but i feel they are truly a great rock band. I really love there sound and they hit all the rights spots for me. Besides the guys at King of Leon love mmj. Caleb and Nathan even referenced his love for at dawn a couple of years ago during a jambase interview:
Caleb: We love the road. So, we go out on tour, get sick of the road and hate the road, so we go back home. Then we make a record about missing the road. The vibe of this record is almost melancholy. We came home from this great tour of England and went straight into the studio. You love being at home but you're also wondering what's going on out there while you're there. There are songs that are kind of melancholy, but a good melancholy. It's kinda like when I listen to My Morning Jacket's At Dawn. That record sounds so lonesome but they were at home making that record. I guess at home people feel more comfortable to cry.
Nathan: [At Dawn] didn't leave our CD player for probably five months. It was just one of those records where every song reminds you of five different things. You experienced every single emotion on pretty much every one of those songs. You felt happy, sad, lonely, loved, whatever. It's so amazing. It's a feel good record but yet there are songs that'll rip your heart out. But, you don't mind that your heart's being ripped out because it feels so good, so natural. It pretty much hit on all cylinders on that record and that was very influential in our headspace for our new album.
Nathan & Caleb
We weren't raised listening to the music that everybody else was raised listening to. So, when we hear something that we've never really heard before, it hits us in a totally different way. Most bands hear a record and can name you five bands that it sounds just like. We don't have that luxury, or maybe that curse. If something moves us, then shit, it's hitting a spot that's never been hit before. We can't compare it to another feeling we've had or another record we've heard or another song or another band. We respond to the way it makes us feel right then. It's very natural.
In my opinion there are few bands out there today that hold a candle to MMJ but the Kings are one of them. I would much rather hear KOL on the radio than some of the other trash passed off as rock these days (nickleback, the fray, etc).
I think Caleb is an amazing song writer and if you disagree please YouTube the song "Trani" which Bob Dylan himself called "one helluva song".
The bands are so different though in terms of style, sound and fans. Since their last CD people have been hopping on the KOL bandwaggon big time, and for someone like me that sucks because KOL used to be my "pocket band" that I could whip out and surprise people with because no one where I am from had ever really heard of them, but now they are everywhere and they have tweens bopping along to songs like "use somebody" but KOL is as gruff as any rock band out there today. Listen to their older shit while drinking beers on a porch during summer and then tell me they don't kick ass. Then listen to their new stuff while sippin on some red and smoking doobies and tell me it isn't epic, especially songs like "crawl" and "closer" which might as well be Zeppelin songs.
I'm glad MMJ isn't as "mainstream" as KOL because I can still talk about them constantly and almost all my friends have no idea who they are, and when I play MMJ songs that are old they seem new to my buddies and they love them. That makes me happy because it's like they are my own little special band even though they are huge.
As for live shows, KOL doesn't even come close. Seen 'em both within the year and...yeah...Caleb is a good frontman but Jim is just fucking ON IT and constantly on top of his game.
MMJ will get its due soon enough, but damn in my opinion you've got to give KOL credit for rocking out.
Evil Urges >Only By The Night
Quoteid say this is hardly a conversation.
KOL will - at best - end up being the Foo Fighters of this generation. a constant barrage of radio hits, arena tours, etc. while being way better than most of the other huge commercial radio bands, but still not being that great.
that is a pretty low ceiling if you ask me.
but the Foos don't take themselves too seriously. they're a fun band. I never took to KOL... maybe I should listen to their earlier albums, but the guy's voice never appealed to me. but it at least seemed like they were making honest music in the beginning, and now it's a lot of style and little soul. with MMJ, their soul makes their style, and I think they get enough recognition. if i were in a band that played from midnight to 4am at Bonnaroo, I wouldn't be concerned with magazine covers.
KoL sells hemp zig zags
MMJ does not
QuoteKoL sells hemp zig zags
MMJ does not
Yeah but they do have........
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I think KOL is more popular in other parts of the world than MMJ. So perhaps they have more record company ($$$$) support? Could it be?
Love both bands, but come on, is there really any question?
QuoteQuoteKoL sells hemp zig zags
MMJ does not
Yeah but they do have........
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mmmmmm :-?
QuoteI think KOL is more popular in other parts of the world than MMJ. So perhaps they have more record company ($$$$) support? Could it be?
They're very popular in the UK & have been since Y&M. Their last tour in the UK was a 12 date arena tour including one @ the O2 (where the Led Zeppelin reunion took place) & a final night at Wembley Arena (12,500)
i think the kings are decent but comparing them to the jacket is like comparing canadian hunter to 20 yr old scotch
Quotei think the kings are decent but comparing them to the jacket is like comparing canadian hunter to 20 yr old scotch
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Quotei think the kings are decent but comparing them to the jacket is like comparing canadian hunter to 20 yr old scotch
Whats wrong with Canadian Hunter?! In my freezer right now!!
So basically, many ears can appreciate the music of KoL, but only so many ears have the ability to appreciate MMJ for what they are.
QuoteQuotei think the kings are decent but comparing them to the jacket is like comparing canadian hunter to 20 yr old scotch
Whats wrong with Canadian Hunter?! In my freezer right now!!
So basically, many ears can appreciate the music of KoL, but only so many ears have the ability to appreciate MMJ for what they are.
Bingo
KOL also use WAY too much product.
QuoteKOL also use WAY too much product.
is this what makes their pants shrink so much?
QuoteQuoteKOL also use WAY too much product.
is this what makes their pants shrink so much?
one theory.
(in all joking, i like this band a lot, but that article was really irritating)
QuoteQuoteKOL also use WAY too much product.
is this what makes their pants shrink so much?
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Are we really asking this question? I'm pretty sure KOL has gotten as far as they are souly by the way they look, and their ridiculously tight pants. They're good, but not great. MMJ is GREAT.
But Nathan is dreamy.
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You're right Nathan is dreamy
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i'm not going to even read through this thread, bc there is no competition.
mmj>kol
yeah. the consensus is that mmj is better but kol is way more popular. damn it.
These have been my two favorite bands for a while now. I have seen each of them over ten times and traveled out of state to see them both. Each member of Jacket is better at their instruments than the Kings. Jacket's songs are more complex than the Kings. But this is Rock and Roll therefore there are no rules.
I really like Queens of the Stone age too but I don't feel compelled to compare them to Ryan Adams and the Cardinals. (MY two other favorite bands).
KoL are OK but that's pretty much it.. Just 'OK'. They're a bit of a one trick pony for me, i'm afraid. Caleb's voice is destinctive but I don't feel he does much with it or that they experiment anywhere near as much as they have the capability to.
MMJ blatantly piss all over KoL. ;)
QuoteThese have been my two favorite bands for a while now. I have seen each of them over ten times and traveled out of state to see them both. Each member of Jacket is better at their instruments than the Kings. Jacket's songs are more complex than the Kings. But this is Rock and Roll therefore there are no rules.
I really like Queens of the Stone age too but I don't feel compelled to compare them to Ryan Adams and the Cardinals. (MY two other favorite bands).
Couldn't agree more LK. This sums it up nicely in my opinion. I love KOL. They make me scream and dance as much or more than any other band. It is fantastic rock 'n roll. I've seen both these bands a number of times too, in all kinds of venues. MMJ's musicianship is better, and their songs are more complex for sure. But I think as far as lyrics and showmanship, they are about even. Bottom line is their sounds are quite different, and for that reason I think they are both very important bands, much needed in their genres.
I'm sorry but...MMJ>everyone
I'm also sorry, but who's KOL? :-?
QuoteQuoteThese have been my two favorite bands for a while now. I have seen each of them over ten times and traveled out of state to see them both. Each member of Jacket is better at their instruments than the Kings. Jacket's songs are more complex than the Kings. But this is Rock and Roll therefore there are no rules.
I really like Queens of the Stone age too but I don't feel compelled to compare them to Ryan Adams and the Cardinals. (MY two other favorite bands).
Couldn't agree more LK. This sums it up nicely in my opinion. I love KOL. They make me scream and dance as much or more than any other band. It is fantastic rock 'n roll. I've seen both these bands a number of times too, in all kinds of venues. MMJ's musicianship is better, and their songs are more complex for sure. But I think as far as lyrics and showmanship, they are about even. Bottom line is their sounds are quite different, and for that reason I think they are both very important bands, much needed in their genres.
Athank you.
QuoteQuoteThese have been my two favorite bands for a while now. I have seen each of them over ten times and traveled out of state to see them both. Each member of Jacket is better at their instruments than the Kings. Jacket's songs are more complex than the Kings. But this is Rock and Roll therefore there are no rules.
I really like Queens of the Stone age too but I don't feel compelled to compare them to Ryan Adams and the Cardinals. (MY two other favorite bands).
Couldn't agree more LK. This sums it up nicely in my opinion. I love KOL. They make me scream and dance as much or more than any other band. It is fantastic rock 'n roll. I've seen both these bands a number of times too, in all kinds of venues. MMJ's musicianship is better, and their songs are more complex for sure. But I think as far as lyrics and showmanship, they are about even. Bottom line is their sounds are quite different, and for that reason I think they are both very important bands, much needed in their genres.
I pretty much agree with everything you said, except this. Say What?!
I havent seen KOL live, but I have a hard time believing the entire band has the stage presence and showmanship of just Jimmy James
To correct my previous reply (see above) I have now heard KOL...and yes it was on the MTV Movie Awards. I know I shouldn't judge them by this performance but I must say that they were pretty gay. I am assuming that they are usually much better to even be compared with MMJ. They weren't the worst, but I had a hard time believing that some of you were putting them on the same level as MMJ. I wasn't impressed... :P
I am also assuming that people that like KOL or are try to compare them to MMJ should really check this album out:
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QuoteTo correct my previous reply (see above) I have now heard KOL...and yes it was on the MTV Movie Awards. I know I shouldn't judge them by this performance but I must say that they were pretty gay. I am assuming that they are usually much better to even be compared with MMJ. They weren't the worst, but I had a hard time believing that some of you were putting them on the same level as MMJ. I wasn't impressed... :P
KOL dont deserve to play on the same field as MMJ, but theyre pretty good. Here's another live clip for you. Hopefully its less gay than the MTV Awards (im not sure I know what can be more gay than watching MTV movie awards though ::))
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbLe5fFaja0[/media]
QuoteTo correct my previous reply (see above) I have now heard KOL...and yes it was on the MTV Movie Awards. I know I shouldn't judge them by this performance but I must say that they were pretty gay. I am assuming that they are usually much better to even be compared with MMJ. They weren't the worst, but I had a hard time believing that some of you were putting them on the same level as MMJ. I wasn't impressed... :P
I am also assuming that people that like KOL or are try to compare them to MMJ should really check this album out:
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ha you can't judge them by their
MTV Movie Awards performance (keep in mind this is the same awards show that allows Twilight to beat out The Wrestler and Slumdog Millionaire). "Use Somebody" really isn't their best. I actually kind of hate it. "Sex on Fire" is the song that got them on the cover of Rolling Stone and it suuuuuuucks. They have even admitted to hating it themselves.
My personal favorites would be:
"Rememo"
"The Bucket"
"Trani"
"The Runner"
"Cold Desert"
"Where Nobody Knows"
"Razz"
"Fans"
"Day Old Blues"
"Manhattan"
"Revelry"
"I Want You"
"Black Thumbnail"
"Dusty"
"Arizona"
"Camaro"
"Soft"
"Red Morning Light"
"Happy Alone"
"Wasted Time"
"Genius"
QuoteQuoteQuoteThese have been my two favorite bands for a while now. I have seen each of them over ten times and traveled out of state to see them both. Each member of Jacket is better at their instruments than the Kings. Jacket's songs are more complex than the Kings. But this is Rock and Roll therefore there are no rules.
I really like Queens of the Stone age too but I don't feel compelled to compare them to Ryan Adams and the Cardinals. (MY two other favorite bands).
Couldn't agree more LK. This sums it up nicely in my opinion. I love KOL. They make me scream and dance as much or more than any other band. It is fantastic rock 'n roll. I've seen both these bands a number of times too, in all kinds of venues. MMJ's musicianship is better, and their songs are more complex for sure. But I think as far as lyrics and showmanship, they are about even. Bottom line is their sounds are quite different, and for that reason I think they are both very important bands, much needed in their genres.
I pretty much agree with everything you said, except this. Say What?!
I havent seen KOL live, but I have a hard time believing the entire band has the stage presence and showmanship of just Jimmy James
It is a different kind of showmanship, just as their lyrics are different, because they - at least within the rock genre - are very different bands. Jim can jump around, head-bang, and crack jokes with the best of them. He is my favorite musician and showman, no doubt. But Caleb sings his ass off every time, they play to the crowd as MMJ does, and they certainly know how to craft a setlist. Last time I saw KOL was at The Tabernacle (ATL). They downsized after they sold out the Fox the previous year, and it was obvious how they acted and played that they loved the place. That spoke volumes of their showmanship to me.
And really I don't think I need to defend them from a lyrical standpoint. Once again, very different styles, so no reason to do so, but I could cite brilliance on both sides there.
Check this Dawgs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyt6byJP3Ac&feature=related
QuoteCheck this Dawgs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyt6byJP3Ac&feature=related
Ha, nice Rhodesian Ridgeback! I've got one of those. That one looks way more aggressive than mine. Mine is a 120 lb. softy.
On topic, I remember in eighth grade when me and my friend Joey Rickenbacker * used to argue about Motley Crue vs. Ratt. Those were the days.
* Made up name to protect his identity. I mean come on, Ratt better than Motley Crue? How embarrassing for him.
QuoteQuoteCheck this Dawgs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyt6byJP3Ac&feature=related
Ha, nice Rhodesian Ridgeback! I've got one of those. That one looks way more aggressive than mine. Mine is a 120 lb. softy.
On topic, I remember in [highlight]eighth grade[/highlight] when me and my friend Joey Rickenbacker * used to argue about Motley Crue vs. Ratt. Those were the days.
* Made up name to protect his identity. I mean come on, Ratt better than Motley Crue? How embarrassing for him.
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QuoteQuoteQuoteCheck this Dawgs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyt6byJP3Ac&feature=related
Ha, nice Rhodesian Ridgeback! I've got one of those. That one looks way more aggressive than mine. Mine is a 120 lb. softy.
On topic, I remember in [highlight]eighth grade[/highlight] when me and my friend Joey Rickenbacker * used to argue about Motley Crue vs. Ratt. Those were the days.
* Made up name to protect his identity. I mean come on, Ratt better than Motley Crue? How embarrassing for him.
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Wow, you picked up on that all by yourself? You should be a CSIer ;)
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCheck this Dawgs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyt6byJP3Ac&feature=related
Ha, nice Rhodesian Ridgeback! I've got one of those. That one looks way more aggressive than mine. Mine is a 120 lb. softy.
On topic, I remember in [highlight]eighth grade[/highlight] when me and my friend Joey Rickenbacker * used to argue about Motley Crue vs. Ratt. Those were the days.
* Made up name to protect his identity. I mean come on, Ratt better than Motley Crue? How embarrassing for him.
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Wow, you picked up on that all by yourself? You should be a CSIer ;)
No. I had help ;)
They're sayin BH was Joey Rikenbacker now ;) I smell a Ratt.
So what do you think of The Jonas Bros Vs Fleet Foxes?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCheck this Dawgs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyt6byJP3Ac&feature=related
Ha, nice Rhodesian Ridgeback! I've got one of those. That one looks way more aggressive than mine. Mine is a 120 lb. softy.
On topic, I remember in [highlight]eighth grade[/highlight] when me and my friend Joey Rickenbacker * used to argue about Motley Crue vs. Ratt. Those were the days.
* Made up name to protect his identity. I mean come on, Ratt better than Motley Crue? How embarrassing for him.
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Wow, you picked up on that all by yourself? You should be a CSIer ;)
No. I had help ;)
They're sayin BH was Joey Rikenbacker now ;) I smell a Ratt.
So what do you think of The Jonas Bros Vs Fleet Foxes?
That's a tough call, I mean the Fleet Foxes sound EXACTLY like MMJ right so they have to be good don't they? But the Jonas Bros. LOOK EXACTLY like MMJ without beards so it's a real tough call. I guess if the Jonas Bros grow beards and start singing more songs about Jesus, I'll go with them. Otherwise the Foxes.
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It is very gay, but my beautiful wife wanted to watch it and it gave us some time to hang out together.
I watched that youtube clip...and I still think they are not even close to being MMJ...the lead singer's voice did nothing for me. I actually need to go listen to Jim James just to get that screaming out of my head.
Compared to MMJ [size=24]KOL SUCKS![/size]
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCheck this Dawgs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyt6byJP3Ac&feature=related
Ha, nice Rhodesian Ridgeback! I've got one of those. That one looks way more aggressive than mine. Mine is a 120 lb. softy.
On topic, I remember in [highlight]eighth grade[/highlight] when me and my friend Joey Rickenbacker * used to argue about Motley Crue vs. Ratt. Those were the days.
* Made up name to protect his identity. I mean come on, Ratt better than Motley Crue? How embarrassing for him.
Key words
Wow, you picked up on that all by yourself? You should be a CSIer ;)
No. I had help ;)
They're sayin BH was Joey Rikenbacker now ;) I smell a Ratt.
So what do you think of The Jonas Bros Vs Fleet Foxes?
That's a tough call, I mean the Fleet Foxes sound EXACTLY like MMJ right so they have to be good don't they? But the Jonas Bros. LOOK EXACTLY like MMJ without beards so it's a real tough call. I guess if the Jonas Bros grow beards and start singing more songs about Jesus, I'll go with them. Otherwise the Foxes.
I thought I was at an MMJ show once but it was Fleet Foxes. I think the Jonas Bros. could kick fleet Foxes ass in a bar fight though. They all have those Purity Rings on so that would hurt if they hit you. I don't think they can grow beards yet. Maybe the world needs more songs about Jesus. I'm sure The Pearl Jams new record will fill that gap.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCheck this Dawgs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyt6byJP3Ac&feature=related
Ha, nice Rhodesian Ridgeback! I've got one of those. That one looks way more aggressive than mine. Mine is a 120 lb. softy.
On topic, I remember in [highlight]eighth grade[/highlight] when me and my friend Joey Rickenbacker * used to argue about Motley Crue vs. Ratt. Those were the days.
* Made up name to protect his identity. I mean come on, Ratt better than Motley Crue? How embarrassing for him.
Key words
Wow, you picked up on that all by yourself? You should be a CSIer ;)
No. I had help ;)
They're sayin BH was Joey Rikenbacker now ;) I smell a Ratt.
So what do you think of The Jonas Bros Vs Fleet Foxes?
That's a tough call, I mean the Fleet Foxes sound EXACTLY like MMJ right so they have to be good don't they? But the Jonas Bros. LOOK EXACTLY like MMJ without beards so it's a real tough call. I guess if the Jonas Bros grow beards and start singing more songs about Jesus, I'll go with them. Otherwise the Foxes.
I thought I was at an MMJ show once but it was Fleet Foxes. I think the Jonas Bros. could kick fleet Foxes ass in a bar fight though. They all have those Purity Rings on so that would hurt if they hit you. I don't think they can grow beards yet. Maybe the world needs more songs about Jesus. I'm sure The Pearl Jams new record will fill that gap.
i don't know about that. fleet foxes has j. tillman and he is one big viking man. i'm positive he can take two of those younger ones.
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It seems they have booked a co-headlining tour and there will be no fight >:(
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It seems they have booked a co-headlining tour and there will be no fight >:(
Dude, you are a master of internet photographs. Seriously, how do you do it? Do you have an intersect in your head?
(That was a nerdy Chuck reference on my part.)
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You mean this intersect ;)
I really like Aha Shake Heartbreak and some songs off of the 1st and 3rd albums. I saw them at Lolla two years ago and they put on a good show. However, that band is gone, never to return. Everything about them now is orchestrated for pop radio success. To their credit, they were successful in that, but they are no longer my cup o' tea. It's hilarious to me to look at their publicity photos. The chubby-handed guitar player always tries to have this dreamy, mouth-opened look on his face.
I love MMJ, but they haven't had the widespread appeal. Maybe a better comparison to KOL would be Jack White. He sells tons of records no matter which project he's in, and he didn't have to sell out to do it. Much props to him.
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It seems they have booked a co-headlining tour and there will be no fight >:(
Dude, you are a master of internet photographs. Seriously, how do you do it? Do you have an intersect in your head?
(That was a nerdy Chuck reference on my part.)
I said this a few months back, I believe in the random image thread saying lets just call it the ETB thread. He is the master of the picture, no doubt.
We Are Not Worthy!!!
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QuoteI really like Aha Shake Heartbreak and some songs off of the 1st and 3rd albums. I saw them at Lolla two years ago and they put on a good show. However, that band is gone, never to return. Everything about them now is orchestrated for pop radio success. To their credit, they were successful in that, but they are no longer my cup o' tea. It's hilarious to me to look at their publicity photos. The chubby-handed guitar player always tries to have this dreamy, mouth-opened look on his face.
I love MMJ, but they haven't had the widespread appeal. Maybe a better comparison to KOL would be Jack White. He sells tons of records no matter which project he's in, and he didn't have to sell out to do it. Much props to him.
This makes A LOT of sense to me Danny Marino.
I think the door is still open on KoL though. Their next album will be the determining factor on whether theyve officially gone for the $$$ or still have integrity.