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Title: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: Kristof on Jun 23, 2004, 04:56 AM
I just got a msg in my mailbox that all the Benelux concerts are cancelled, so I can kiss MMJ goodbye this year, there are not comming because of a health problem. I'm so dissapointed since last year they gave a concert without Jim singing because he was ill and I was so looking forth to hear the again... Get well soon guys and please come back asap
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: randorph on Jun 23, 2004, 05:09 AM
Yeah, Brussels is history, according to an e-mail from 4AD's reservation guy.  Getting sick can't be avoided, of course, but it sure is starting to look like a concerted effort to lose their euro fanbase!  Ironic, considering it's where they First Got Famous. :-/

Anyway, hope everyone gets well or whatever.  Again.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: Oz on Jun 23, 2004, 05:11 AM
I couldn't see them anyway, but still, that sucks big time. Indeed, they kinda started here, so damn, we have a right to see their new show! Alas, alas...  :(
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: peanut butter puddin surprise on Jun 23, 2004, 05:43 AM
Hold up...are you guys confusing last year with this year?  I don't see "cancelled" anywhere on the shows page, and I really think you should wait until that official confirmation is there.  Shows being cancelled are faithfully reported HERE and should be considered gospel if reported here, not anywhere else.  

Just my humble opionion...
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: Magnix on Jun 23, 2004, 07:32 AM
Well, the venue's site, the 4AD Club in Diksmuide (http://www.4ad.be/) also reports this as cancelled, that's pretty official, ain't it.
It was supposed to be the only Benelux show, so what about the other Euro dates, like Glastonbury this Saturday? If there's a health problem, I guess that won't go on either, as well as Belfast, Dublin, Cork, London and Kristiansand!?
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: tijdloze on Jun 23, 2004, 10:04 AM
I was listening to the radio(StuBru) and they where saying in the popnews that My Morning Jacket has cancelled their european tour, what means for Belgium that the concerts in the 4AD and at Pukkelpop are cancelled :'(
It was going to be the first time that I will see My Morning Jacket this summer, I was really looking forward to it :'(
I hope that we soon will see them back again here in Belgium.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: Magnix on Jun 23, 2004, 10:11 AM
Pukkelpop is in August ... I don't think this current cancellation affects the August dates (yet)!?
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: tijdloze on Jun 23, 2004, 10:26 AM
QuotePukkelpop is in August ... I don't think this current cancellation affects the August dates (yet)!?

On the radio they told it was also cancelled for pukkelpop.
Maybe there is a little bit of hope :) but I'm afraid for that.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: wordawg on Jun 23, 2004, 10:33 AM
WTF is going on?
The dates are still part of the front page of the website.
If it's true its a real pisser.  I know I'm being selfish, and maybe premature, but this must be some big style illness.
More news please.

(Train tickets paid for, hotel paid for, tickets for London and Leeds paid for...........bugger)
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: wordawg on Jun 23, 2004, 10:37 AM
Just checked Shepherds Bush Empire and Leeds Festival sites and MMJ still listed.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: Magnix on Jun 23, 2004, 10:53 AM
Yep, all dates on the various websites are still listed. Only the 4AD Club site lists the cancellation of the european tour due to health problems ...

I guess we all remember the previous cancellation of tour dates (in January) and the next thing happening was the replacement of the guitarist and the keyboard-player. Oh, well, let's not jump to conclusions or anything, just wait for things to happen ...
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: SMc55 on Jun 23, 2004, 11:07 AM
Quote
I guess we all remember the previous cancellation of tour dates (in January) and the next thing happening was the replacement of the guitarist and the keyboard-player. Oh, well, let's not jump to conclusions or anything, just wait for things to happen ...

Just what I was thinking, but you're right, let's wait and see.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: corey on Jun 23, 2004, 01:07 PM
Jim announced at the Nashville show that he would be doing a few songs by himself because one of the guys was out in the alley throwing up. I don't remember which one he said that it was though.
That didn't seem to be too out of the ordinary because he usually does a few by himself anyway... and no one looked sick when they were rocking their asses off when they came back on stage...
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: bigger_rooty on Jun 23, 2004, 02:20 PM
Patrick was sick, he puked his guts out, which is why Jim did the acoustic shit (which was not on the setlist).  However, he was just dehydrated.  I talked to Patrick after the show, and he was perfectly fine.  That sickness has nothing to do with cancelled dates.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: CC on Jun 23, 2004, 04:01 PM
hey guys,
looks like there will be some changes indeed.
as soon as everything is worked out we'll let you know...
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: MMJ_fanatic on Jun 23, 2004, 05:41 PM
Quotehey guys,
looks like there will be some changes indeed.
as soon as everything is worked out we'll let you know...


CC:  What's up with the the guys?  Is someone sick or hurt?  Where do we send the get well cards?
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: CC on Jun 23, 2004, 07:30 PM
Quote
CC:  What's up with the the guys?  Is someone sick or hurt?  Where do we send the get well cards?

don't worry, they're all juuuust fine.

Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: wordawg on Jun 24, 2004, 03:04 AM
Quote
 Where do we send the get well cards?

Too all the disappointed fans, you mean?
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: wordawg on Jun 24, 2004, 03:07 AM
Brilliant.  The band are fine.  The website still says 'Hello Europe' (small place to the right).  How come news is coming from from the middle of Holland/Belgium?
Don't we matter anymore?

Sorry for the tone of this. Piss poor communication.
Not happy at all. >:(
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: peanut butter puddin surprise on Jun 24, 2004, 05:47 AM
Hold the phone, dude...everyone matters, of course.  

If y'all don't know it, Mr. CC Baxter is here in the USA right now, and having himself a fine time on a vacation.  Perhaps he's been in between computer visits and hasn't had a chance to clarify-or perhaps he isn't aware of all the details.  I'm quite certain the extremely professional management folks of MMJ are already hard at work to ensure everyone know what's goin' on...it's just that if those details aren't available yet, there aren't any to post here.

Relax.  In all good time, there'll be the dirty smut posted here.  I'm just sayin'...
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: wordawg on Jun 24, 2004, 06:04 AM
Fair comment JC, but if the info is available to others, why not to us?
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: peanut butter puddin surprise on Jun 24, 2004, 06:23 AM
Like I said earlier, unless it's here, it's not gospel.  Ultimately, the management folks are the authority on this...
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: CC on Jun 24, 2004, 08:37 AM
guys,
the only thing that's cancelled right now is the belgian show. the rest of the upcoming shows listed on the shows page are still on.

other future shows will be on there as soon as they're confirmed...
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: wordawg on Jun 24, 2004, 08:57 AM
Riny!

I will have your babies :)
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: ycartrob on Jun 24, 2004, 08:58 AM
wow. MMJ sounds like they're more important than Santa Claus! Awesome!!  ;D
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: lfish on Jun 24, 2004, 12:10 PM
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy? (falls on knees and starts pulling hair out while wheeping)


Well my feelings are mixed.  I can't deny that I'm real dissapointed. Not in the guys, because I wish them a fine and good health, but in the fact that I'm gonna miss an excellent evening.  I only saw them at full health and full capacity and that was one day before I joined this forum. Last year in brussels was sadly not the most excellent show and now I'm longing for an active Jacket show.  I warmed up all my friends (a few already cancelled, because of last year) and now I have to tell the ones left over the jacket is again not coming to town and not coming to pukkelpop, which is in august ( a lot of time to recover I think)

The jacket really needs playing around here, because a lot of people very much like to see them live. But like this, I think fanbase is fading.

Ok this may seem a little bit negative, but I just read the news.  I received this famous email from the 4Ad.

But to conclude, a good health above all!
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: peanut butter puddin surprise on Jun 24, 2004, 12:37 PM
cancelling a show is the absolute LAST thing they'd want to do.  "circumstances outside of the control of My Morning Jacket" sounds like just that-out of their control.  i wish that everyone would have more patience, they'll be back.

when a show gets cancelled, it's always for a damn good reason.  

please try and understand.  i've got no details, but methinks just like i always do-there's something that is preventing them from playin' that show.  

Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: sweatboard on Jun 24, 2004, 12:50 PM
Yeah, I guess me inviting them to play my 4th of july back yard barbecue is effecting more people than I originally thought. Sorry bout that guys. ;D
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: SMc55 on Jun 24, 2004, 03:48 PM
Quote i wish that everyone would have more patience,

I do hear what you say, John, but, with respect, it must be easy to recommend patience when they play practically in your back yard. We've been looking forward to this tour for a long time, and the messages coming out were mixed. Of course this is the official site, but other valid sites seemed to be saying the whole tour was off (and various other scenarios/reasons). As you say, we'll wait and see what happens.

Take care
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: wordawg on Jun 24, 2004, 04:09 PM
As my esteemed colleague states above, its difficult not to get worked up JC.  We hardly ever get the chance to see the band, unlike some other lucky buggers! So don't be too hard on us Europeans when we loose out, or think that we're about to.  The band means a lot to us aswell.
Be cool............. 8)
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: wordawg on Jun 24, 2004, 04:13 PM
QuoteOk this may seem a little bit negative, but I just read the news.  

I feel your pain lfish.  Really.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: MMJ_fanatic on Jun 24, 2004, 04:24 PM
Quote

Too all the disappointed fans, you mean?

I guess that would appropriate after CC's revelation...
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: dermo on Jun 24, 2004, 09:59 PM
GDay everyone,

Im in Australia at the moment and will be flying home to Dublin on Tuesday afternoon. Hope the Jacket are still playing, haven't been home in 2 years and am looking forward to my favourite band leading the homecoming celebrations.
Should be a good night, as long as the boys turn up. Saw them in Melbourne in March, super show, super guys. Whats the latest on cancellations?
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: Magnix on Jun 25, 2004, 04:03 PM
OK, so far the only show really cancelled is the one in Belgium on July 4th. Pukkelpop is still uncertain, as it was mentioned as being cancelled as well by Studio Brussel, but it is still listed on the festival's website.

Although it doesn't really have to mean anything - so far ahead dates always can be changed - I just found out that the August 25 show at The Lemon Tree Café in Aberdeen, Scotland, which was waiting to be confirmed has been confirmed as cancelled by the venue's website. The show the day after as part of the T on the Fringe 2004 festival at the Liquid Room in Edinburgh, Scotland is still listed on the venue's website, but has been deleted from the festival's website listings!

Does anyone know if tomorrow's performance at the Glastonbury festival is still going on?
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: wordawg on Jun 25, 2004, 04:23 PM
Still listed on the Glasto site.
This thing is still very weird. I feel confident that I'll be seeing them next Friday in London, but I don't know why I'm this confident.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: wordawg on Jun 25, 2004, 04:45 PM
This is turning into a mystery that I (and many others) could well do without.

A little more information would be a help.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: ntertayneME on Jun 25, 2004, 10:52 PM
Sometimes one of the best parts of a show is the anticipation and these poor folks are being robbed of that.I really feel for you folks if that's any consolation.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: SMc55 on Jun 26, 2004, 01:21 AM
QuoteSometimes one of the best parts of a show is the anticipation and these poor folks are being robbed of that.I really feel for you folks if that's any consolation.

It is, and many thanks for thinking of us  :)
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: Oz on Jun 26, 2004, 06:26 AM
QuoteSometimes one of the best parts of a show is the anticipation

That is so absolutely true. I remember hearing 'bout the November shows in Holland from last year in August or September or something and I spend 3 months looking forward. Now with all that talk about their new show, with the new members and new or never played songs, damn, we Europeans wanna see that shit, goddammit! You Americans are sometimes lucky men.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: lfish on Jun 30, 2004, 04:20 AM
Ok,

I don't ask much of the jacket.  I do worry about their health, but I can't understand why the show in the 4AD at 04/07 is cancelled while they play a show the 06 of july in Norway and while all belgians fans are waiting for a proper explanation why this show is cancelled again.

They have to make up things real good here in Belgium.  Frustration is growing.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: peanut butter puddin surprise on Jun 30, 2004, 06:49 AM
Mijn Ochtendjas houdt van iedereen van zijn ventilators, of zij van Amerika, België, Nederland, de U.K zijnd. of overal voor die kwestie. Ik ben niet in de band, maar ik denk dat ik het genoegen van hun bedrijf genoeg heb gehad te weten dat zij absoluut iedereen van hun ventilators houden van zoals broers en zussen. Zich niet maakt zorgen, ik slechts weet dat ooit spoedig zij naar België zullen terugkomen en goedmaak iedereen die tijd verloor.

not to mention....

Mon Veston de Matin aime tous ses ventilateurs, s'ils sont de l'Amérique, la Belgique, l'Hollande, l'U.K., ou n'importe où pour ce qui est de cela. Je ne suis pas dans la bande, mais je pense que j'ai eu le plaisir de leur compagnie assez pour savoir qu'ils aiment absolument tous leurs ventilateurs comme les frères et comme les soeurs. Pas l'inquiétude, je sais juste qu'un jour bientôt ils reviendront à la Belgique et forment pour tout qu'a retardé.

if my translation software worked right, great.  if not, please don't take offense to any missteps in language i may have made...i apologize in advance if it offends.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: lfish on Jun 30, 2004, 08:30 AM
Wow John,


Teu neu ne neu neu...

You really got me now.


I thought you took a rapid Dutch & French language course  :)

I know the band loves everyone out there, but it hurts real bad to see that all shows are on, except the belgian one (as for as I know also Pukkelpop is cancelled).

I really looked forward to start summer with mmj, as many other belgian fans . But I assure you, no hard feelings against the band, just one big disapointment.  
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: lfish on Jun 30, 2004, 08:43 AM
John,

I do noticed some mistakes in your software though:

A ventilateur is in dutch as well as in french a device which makes cool wind,which is used during hot weather.

My Morning jacket is really to the letter translated, which makes it really funny

The word "bedrijf" in dutch means an association or entreprise in English. You do meant company or presence, I believe.

Overall it's a good translation program.  I understood every word of it.

We can turn this site into a dutch speaking site  now  ;D
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: peanut butter puddin surprise on Jun 30, 2004, 08:53 AM
QuoteYou really got me now.  


I thought you took a rapid Dutch & French language course    

Overall it's a good translation program.  I understood every word of it.


 ;D  If I spoke both French and Dutch, I'd be living elsewhere.  French I have been picking up on my sojourns to Montreal, just some snippets here and there...

QuoteWe can turn this site into a dutch speaking site  now


I don't think CC Baxter would have a problem with that...  
 :)
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: SMc55 on Jun 30, 2004, 01:35 PM
Quote
A ventilateur is in dutch as well as in french a device which makes cool wind,which is used during hot weather.


ventilateur - fan. Brilliant!!!

Isn't language fascinating?

Full marks to JC  :D
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: EC on Jul 02, 2004, 08:40 PM
Hey there!  This is in response to people who are wondering why certain shows are cancelled...  If someone in the band IS sick, they might be, like, really sick, and maybe don't want the news out...  And if they get a little bit longer breaks between shows, it might help them feel better.

I, of course, have no idea whatsoever, but it's a guess.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: Magnix on Jul 03, 2004, 01:55 AM
Absolutely true, having some extra time between shows for travelling and resting is a good thing for one's health! I have always wondered how some tourschedules are put together, with travelling back and forth.

Thing is though that in Belgium the cancellation was announced as a cancellation of the European tour including the Pukkelpop performance in August. Now it turns out that only one show is cancelled (no news on the August dates), and that ALL other dates simply go on as if nothing happened. And remember that the Belgian fans were waiting for a 'replacement' show for the November 4 show from last year.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: tijdloze on Jul 03, 2004, 07:17 AM
I send an e-mail to the pukkelpop organisation yesterday with the question if MMJ will come or not, because for the moment there is still no officially confirmation about the cancelled show from Pukkelpop self. But I still didn't receive an answer.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: lfish on Jul 04, 2004, 10:21 AM
Tijdloze,

Let us know when you have some more information.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: randorph on Jul 04, 2004, 02:09 PM
Man, the Diksmuide show I'm not seeing right now is so good... I can't believe the wack spaceship thing, and the 42-minute version of "Cobra".  This was definitely worth the trip.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: SMc55 on Jul 04, 2004, 03:06 PM
QuoteMan, the Diksmuide show I'm not seeing right now is so good... I can't believe the wack spaceship thing, and the 42-minute version of "Cobra".  This was definitely worth the trip.

Right there with you, man. Awesome!
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: wordawg on Jul 05, 2004, 04:23 AM
QuoteMan, the Diksmuide show I'm not seeing right now is so good... I can't believe the wack spaceship thing, and the 42-minute version of "Cobra".  This was definitely worth the trip.

I liked the bit when they started hand out pies and pastries to us.  Made it seem special.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: tijdloze on Jul 05, 2004, 01:22 PM
QuoteTijdloze,

Let us know when you have some more information.

I still didn't received an e-mail back  :( but the pukkelpop site is now been updated and on the news section you can read that My Morning Jacket, The Veils and Dashboard Confessionals have cancelled their shows for pukkelpop.

Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: EC on Jul 06, 2004, 12:47 AM
I was hoping to see their August 25th show at the Liquidroom in Edinburgh, but I just got an email from their booker who said that they cancelled on Friday...

I wonder if they'll still do the Leeds and the Reading Festivals...  (please, please, please)
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: lfish on Jul 06, 2004, 04:39 AM
I just in read in the newspaper of yesterday the fifth of july that pukkelpop is cancelled. How come that newspaper are aware of this cancellation while there isn't an official reaction on this site.  Please inform us (falls desparately on knees, while kissing CC's feet)
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: CC on Jul 06, 2004, 04:49 AM
QuoteI just in read in the newspaper of yesterday the fifth of july that pukkelpop is cancelled. How come that newspaper are aware of this cancellation while there isn't an official reaction on this site.  Please inform us (falls desparately on knees, while kissing CC's feet)

well, because pukkelpop never was officially confirmed in the first place?
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: lfish on Jul 06, 2004, 05:45 AM
Okay Riny,

That can be true, but the fact remains that there were rumours of the jacket doing european festivals (some officially confirmed others not) and so the question remains: Is there any further news on the cancellations of those shows.

Thx in advance,

Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: CC on Jul 06, 2004, 06:14 AM
QuoteOkay Riny,

That can be true, but the fact remains that there were rumours of the jacket doing european festivals (some officially confirmed others not) and so the question remains: Is there any further news on the cancellations of those shows.

Thx in advance,


Yeah, there were plenty of rumours and I'm sure they tried to work it out and play some festivals but right now there are no more summerdates scheduled for europe... things change all the time but have nothing confirmed at this moment.

they'd love to play everywhere, everytime but sometimes a nice rest is needed and if you look at the past shows page you can see they haven't had much of that lately. I'm sure they'll be back as soon as possible...
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: lfish on Jul 06, 2004, 06:20 AM
Ok thx for the information!  :)

Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: EC on Jul 06, 2004, 08:47 AM
CC, you're so right.  I feel a little guilty about my post, now (with the please, please, please).  I would so much rather that they have a rest than run themselves into the ground.  (It's like that story - was it Monkey's Paw?  Where you get to wish for things, and you get what you ask for, but bad things happen...)

So yes.  We don't want that.  Rest is good.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: Magnix on Jul 07, 2004, 12:36 PM
All of the things said above are true indeed. However, as I wrote before, the news of the cancellation of the Diksmuide show was brought  in Belgium as a cancellation of the European tour ... Rumours are spread easily, and I think just one show is not a tour, right? Also, there has been no official statement from the band or it's management, which makes rumour-spreading easier.

Anyhow, sure things can change, the rumours about the August dates were fed by the cancellation of the Diksmuide and Pukkelpop shows and the explanation why on the club's website and on the radio - and that's exactly what caused all this discussion! And I think those folks that were at the show in Brussels last November 4th AND that bought tickets for the Diksmuide July 4th show hoping to get a 'real' show this time, have every right to know what happened that ONLY that particular show was cancelled, while the rest of all the scheduled dates weren't!?

By the way, speakin' of official, an official confirmation of shows is not only comin' from the band, but a confirmation can also be done by a venue or a festival - they will not advertise a show (including what the cost of a ticket will be, as with the 8/26 show at the Liquid Room), when they do not have some sort of confirmation. Pukkelpop had the band on their bill for a while, and T on the Fringe (the Liquid Room show) listed the band on the website ... both is done to attract people to come to the festival ...
How about the scheduled performances at the Leeds and Reading festivals? Both have been confirmed by the festival!

Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: SMc55 on Jul 07, 2004, 03:10 PM
Magnix's points are all very valid. Of course the band must have enough rest time, but it is sad that the Belgian show, which I understand had problems last time, is the only one cancelled (so far). I'm wondering if the issue is with whoever is responsible for publicity in Belgium - maybe the individual venues' management. What concerned people, I think, was the conflicting messages - Just one gig cancelled, the whole European tour off, ill health, circumstances beyond...etc). All the fans wish the band well, but it was strange to have it announced that one or more of them would be too ill to perform a couple of weeks before the event, and when they were still doing shows in the US.

I hope the band do return to Belgium so their loyal fans there can share the fun. John Conoway says they want to and I trust him.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: CC on Jul 07, 2004, 03:56 PM
I agree the announcements of all European gigs bein cancelled because of illness were confusing. Don't know where that came from. Anyway, the European August dates (that includes Reading/Leeds) are not happening. I'm sure they've tried everything to make it happen but it just didn't work out schedule-wise.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: EC on Jul 07, 2004, 09:32 PM
Oh crap.

Oh well, thanks for that, CC.  
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: SMc55 on Jul 08, 2004, 12:31 AM
QuoteOh crap.

Oh well, thanks for that, CC.  

Well said EC  :'(
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: wordawg on Jul 08, 2004, 01:57 AM
QuoteI agree the announcements of all European gigs bein cancelled because of illness were confusing. Don't know where that came from. Anyway, the European August dates (that includes Reading/Leeds) are not happening.

Hold them horses!
When did they cancel the Leeds festival appearance?
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: wordawg on Jul 08, 2004, 02:00 AM
They are still listed for Leeds.

Another communication problem?
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: CC on Jul 08, 2004, 02:04 AM
QuoteThey are still listed for Leeds.

Another communication problem?

Well I got the message the other day.
They'll probably update it soon...
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: wordawg on Jul 08, 2004, 09:59 AM
So does that mean at some point in the not too distant future somebody from the band and/or management might deign to let the people who have been badly let down the reasons for the cancellations in England and Belgium? Strangely enough, Ticketmaster (or whoever) are going to have a laugh when people (like me) ask for a refund for a £45:00 ticket because the band that I specifically wanted to see aren't on. They'll think I'm daft.  And they'd be quite right. I'm daft enough think this band/management gives a toss what people think when they spend money on seeing this band in Europe. At least I used to think that. Maybe they don't need to be too bothered with the other side of the pond.
Hope I sound as pissed off as I feel.

I've had enough of all this.
Honestly.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: SMc55 on Jul 08, 2004, 10:13 AM
QuoteHope I sound as pissed off as I feel.


Message received. Loud and clear  :(

All this certainly makes me feel we're rather disposable. Very sad as I'm sure it could all be cleared up with a few words from whoever's making the decisions. We're not unsympathetic, just fed up with getting the mushroom treatment.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: wordawg on Jul 08, 2004, 10:44 AM
"no short haired yellow bellied son of tricky dicky gonna mother hubbard soft soap me with just a pocket full of hope"

all i want is some truth,
just gimme some truth.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: peanut butter puddin surprise on Jul 08, 2004, 11:33 AM
Hold up guys.

Why be pissed at your favorite band?  Why be pissed if a scheduling conflict causes a cancellation?  

Disappointed, maybe.  But pissed?  Come on.  Y'all know damn well that they love all of their fans, whether they are from Europe or anywhere, for that matter.  When shows don't happen, don't be pissed at the guys-I'd be more inclined to be pissed at the venues in question, not MMJ.

This thread is becoming hostile, and I don't like it at all.  If you knew how many out of town shows the boys played in the past three years, maybe you'd feel differently as they haven't played in Louisville that much since the At Dawn tour.  Do I get pissed that they don't play that much in their hometown?  Fuck no, I love them and their music too much for that.   Respect is a two way street with these guys, my brothers and sisters.

I pick up and drive 8 hours in all directions to see them.  I try to keep it in mind that they're out there, building upon their success, gaining momentum and new fans.  I'm so overwhelmed with joy when I read the posts here about fans getting off on shows.

Jesus, it's just rock 'n roll.  They'll be back.  Shit happens.

Now, take two shows from the FTP server and call me in the morning.  The Doctor has spoken....
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: SMc55 on Jul 08, 2004, 01:36 PM
I do hear what you say John, I really do, and if there was an announcement saying sorry we're not playing xyz but we're knackered or whatever that would be fine. It's a feeling of being kept in the dark that's the problem. As Magnix has pointed out, the rumours started flying when the conflicting messages were being given out in Belgium. That would have been a really good time for rumours to be squashed and some simple statement made. Like you, I've travelled for hours to see them, and would again. I know some people see loads of bands but for others it's not that easy. Here in the geriatric rocker home we don't get out much. It's such a bummer when you go to some trouble organising a trip (tickets, travel, child care etc) and it's cancelled. It's much worse when it's at the end of this will they/won't they rumour stuff. (Just found out how to do the bold thing. Cool  8) )

Anyway, as you say, it's only rock and roll, but I like it!
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: Oz on Jul 08, 2004, 03:10 PM
Goddamn... Last week I got a note from my girlfriend, saying she heard that MMJ were scheduled for August the 20th in Tilburg, Holland. I hadn't heard that yet, so I was really excited. Now I check this site and the 013 site, and it's already cancelled. I wasn't even getting to becoming really excited and they already cancelled it. Goddamn!

Yeah, I know they'll have their reasons but it does feel as if they're giving America priorities. And I can understand that as well, because their popularity over there just keeps increasing, while here in Holland most people are like 'Ah, My Morning Jacket, they were from that The Tennessee Fire album, right?' But if they don't even play, that's not gonna change. One might think they'd have a special relationship with Holland, but I guess that since only 2 current members where part of the band when they were big here...

Aah, I'm being an ass right now, but dammit, it sure is frustrating. I wanna see those guys play 'Cobra', goddammit! >:(
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: Magnix on Jul 08, 2004, 03:22 PM
Yes, we want to see/hear them play Cobra, and we want to see/hear the new guys! I was there in January 2000 when they first came to The Netherlands and Belgium, with J. Glenn on drums. I was there when Chris 'KC' Guetig took over the drumkit and Danny was added on keys. I saw them play with Patrick replacing Chris on drums, so please don't change the line-up before coming over again ;)

A Dutch date scheduled as well!? It seems there was a complete European tour in the makes ... Bummer.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: wordawg on Jul 09, 2004, 03:53 AM
Can't go with you on this one JC.
The Carling Festival is not to blame if the band pull out.  They were advertised as being on the Main Stage which is a big move up from the tent they were in last year.  I wasn't too bothered about going for the full 3 days so I chose to pay for a day ticket just to see them. The festival hasn't cancelled them, they've cancelled themselves. That's their responsibility, or their managements.
We haven't been told any reason for the cancellation for this or any of the other gigs, so we are left to come up with our own reasons and if we/you want to take a benevolent view its put down to too much touring, etc, etc.(And if this is the reason, what are their management palying at?) But if you adopt a more unbalanced, pissed off view (which is the line I'm taking) you become cynical.  This happens when we are allowed to draw our own conclusions. Its a personal choice.
I am pissed and, to a degree, hostile.  That's my choice, and until someone tells me something definite - and not just defensive counter speculation - I'll remain so.


It's NOT all good.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: wordawg on Jul 09, 2004, 03:57 AM
QuoteIt used be more than that JC. Much more, that's why this has provoked such a degree of passion.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: lfish on Jul 09, 2004, 04:33 AM
Quoteit's only rock and roll

Damn right it is and indeed shit happens but I think we have to put things in perspective here.

I agree, at first I was also frustrated and disapointed that the band couldn't come to Europe. I was really looking forward to it as beeing the ideal start of the summer.  I surely can understand that the disapointment of having paid for a cancelled show is even bigger, maybe brings up a hostile feeling. But now after a while, I'm over it and after listening to their cd's, I just can't hate this band or feeling hostile towards it.

But I hope for people who do, this is just a temporary frustation and will not stay for a very long time.  

If you look at the touring programme of the jacket, you can indeed say that they deserve a rest.  So if the jacket took to much hay on their stick, maybe it's because their hunger to perform live is bigger than they physically can manage.

But then it's the task to ventilate everything towards management who should then at their turn communicate with the fans and organizers of festivals.  However ,as the jacket recently started as a small band and maybe still are, I don't think they have a well extended and equiped team to support the band.  Frankly I think they work their asses off to let the jacket's name ring in the musical world. So I don't know if a quick and satisfying answer is so easy to put.
 
But I do believe an official explanation will be communicated to us within a short while (Especially after all this commotion. We just have to be patient. And when people are uncertain about something, impatiency is increasing.  So your reaction is natural, but try to put things in pespective.

It's only rock'n roll. No on gets hurt, we all get out alive.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: wordawg on Jul 09, 2004, 05:30 AM
Gently said lfish.

I remain pissed, but that's my choice.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: wordawg on Jul 09, 2004, 05:33 AM
Quote


But I do believe an official explanation will be communicated to us within a short while

Agreed. But this has been going for a couple of weeks lfish, and the non-response is the crux of the issue for me.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: lfish on Jul 09, 2004, 05:37 AM
I know greggy.  I'm also still waiting for an answer. But try to have patience and if this doesn't work out, follow an anger therapy  ;) twkink twink

Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: peanut butter puddin surprise on Jul 09, 2004, 05:49 AM
Quote

Agreed. But this has been going for a couple of weeks lfish, and the non-response is the crux of the issue for me.


non response from whom?  i see 6 pages of responses here, with cc baxter chiming in with what he knows.  

i implore you to try and put it into perspective.  again, why be pissed?  why?  a show was cancelled.  yes, a special show that everyone made special plans for...but a little understanding is in order here folks.  please, try to understand.  scheduling conflicts happen.  explanations seem to be in order here-starting with the gospel spoken by brother cc baxter.  is that not enough?
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: wordawg on Jul 09, 2004, 05:56 AM
I don't agree with you John.
Let's leave it at that.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: radley on Jul 09, 2004, 05:57 AM
Why don't you email management instead of complaining to each other?  Perhaps no one knows you all feel so desperate and deserving of explanations.  There are contact emails for everyone on this website the last time I checked.

I do not disagree that it would be kind for them to issue a statement of some sort but in the end, they are not responsible for how I feel and as they do not know me personally, I don't feel like they owe me anything.  I am just glad that they tour and put out music as often as they do.  We ought to be thankful for such things instead of whining like children which I doubt any of us are.  
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: wordawg on Jul 09, 2004, 06:06 AM
QuoteWhy don't you email management instead of complaining to each other

I have


We ought to be thankful for such things instead of whining like children  

A nice touch.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: peanut butter puddin surprise on Jul 09, 2004, 06:07 AM
QuoteI don't agree with you John.
Let's leave it at that.

Hey man, it's all good and we're brothers and sisters here.  We can and do disagree on things.  That's cool, there is no love loss or bad blood or anything of the sort.  We're all passionate about the music, and I understand completely why everyone feels so strongly.


Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: lfish on Jul 09, 2004, 06:45 AM
Pink pink,

You moved me john  ::)
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: peanut butter puddin surprise on Jul 09, 2004, 10:47 AM
Whatever, man.

In 2002, I drove 7 hours to Pittsburgh to see 'em open for Guided by Voices.

I got the venue to find a handwritten sign on the door that read "show cancelled, pollard threw out his back".  I was certainly not happy about that.

But I don't remember bitching about it being cancelled here, not for 7 pages of responses on how I got slighted and insulted by no explanation here on the site as to why the show was cancelled when MMJ were perfectly able to play.  I said "fuck it" and moved on.

So now, I'm saying "fuck it" and moving on.  I've tried my best, really I did.  But I get the feeling that you aren't satisfied with anything anyone says on this topic, so I give, you win.  In the name of keeping it civil here, I cry uncle.

Mike M, if you're reading this, can we send this guy some guest passes for the next round of touring?  
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: peanut butter puddin surprise on Jul 09, 2004, 11:02 AM
QuotePink pink,

You moved me john  ::)

You're welcome.  ;D
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: dogandponyshow on Jul 09, 2004, 11:35 AM
Such anger....enough is enough....time to let it go.

D.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: lfish on Jul 09, 2004, 03:37 PM
Let it be let it be let it beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Wispering words of let it be, let it be


Let it bee let it beeeeeeeeeeee

Oh let it be,
Yes let it be

oh hell let it be

Yeah let it be, let it be

wowowowowowow let it be o crap

let it be.
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: Magnix on Jul 10, 2004, 07:36 AM
For those of you comin' straight to this forum, the following statement can be read on the startpage (the news-section) of this site:

Quote
Due to circumstances beyond My Morning Jacket's control, the following shows have been postponed:
07/04 Diksmuide - 08/20 Tilburg - 8/21 Pukkelpop - 08/25 Aberdeen - 08/26 Edinburgh - 08/28 Reading - 08/29 Leeds
We hope to reschedule the shows as soon as possible.
Please forgive us for any inconvenience as we really do appreciate your support and understanding.
Warm regards,
My Morning Jacket
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: Oz on Jul 14, 2004, 04:40 AM
QuoteIt used be more than that JC. Much more, that's why this has provoked such a degree of passion.

I can't help but love that. And well, the thing that bothers me is that they seem to be giving priorities to America: the touring, the accoustic EP that I still haven't been able to find in Holland... And yeah, I think that sucks. But alright, let's move on. Hey, I just watched an incredibly good Klezmer-band yesterday here in Berlin, so what am I bitching about anyway?
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: SMc55 on Jul 14, 2004, 09:52 AM
How did it go in Berlin, O? I trust you had a cool time  8)
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: kevinjanes on Jul 15, 2004, 09:01 AM
I have to disagree about MMJ giving priority to the US in regard to the new acoustic EP. In all due respect, I seem to recall having a heck of a time finding the Heartbreakin' Man EP, Sweetbees EP, Bad Jazz 7", Gold Hole 7" and Just Because I Do 7", all European releases I had to get from either ebay or Ger Potze in Holland (thanks Ger by the way).

O, If you're really having a hard time finding the new acoustic EP, let me know and I will pick one up and send it across the pond to you...Cheers.

kevin@themuckrakers.com
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: MMJ_fanatic on Jul 15, 2004, 11:13 AM
Quote

I the accoustic EP that I still haven't been able to find in Holland...

O dude--shoot me an address in a im and I'll send you a copy of Acoustic Citsuoca FOC.  No one should have to go without this (especially not a huge fan likes u)
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: Magnix on Jul 15, 2004, 04:55 PM
You're welcome Kevin, still glad I could help  8)

As for the Acoustic Citsuoca EP, it might not be available over here in Holland, but with a creditcard it's so damn easy to get it in the mail. I ordered my copy at a store in Vancouver for 6.49 Canadian dollars excl. shipping (I ordered three other CD's there, and shipping was 'only' 12.95 Canadian), and I ordered the vinyl version (with extra track as you all know!) straight from Badman - well that was a little more expensive, including shipping 17.99 US dollars, but hey with the current exchange rates I don't complain, and I now have the extra track, and the larger sleeve and the red vinyl!  :D
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: Oz on Jul 21, 2004, 08:24 AM
QuoteAs for the Acoustic Citsuoca EP, it might not be available over here in Holland, but with a creditcard it's so damn easy to get it in the mail.

Yeah - and without one, it's not.  :(

I'm gonna check this record store over here one more time and if they still don't have the vinyl version, I'll mail you, Kevin, thanks! Oh, and MMJ_fanatic, thanks as well, but I think it'd be rude to pass out on Kevin, him being the first to offer and all. :)
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: kevinjanes on Jul 21, 2004, 11:54 AM
O, just let me know. The record store across the street from my house has the CD and the vinyl (which has a bonus track not included on CD) $5.99 and $10.99 USD (CD/Vinyl)...
Title: Re: Europe Cancelled!?!?
Post by: Magnix on Jul 21, 2004, 12:50 PM
QuoteYeah - and without one, it's not.  :(
Absolutely right! But it's almost impossible to collect without one. If I didn't have one, I would have had to skip a lot of interesting stuff through the years. Not to mention how easy it is to have one when travelling.

Anyhow, good to see a copy will go O's way! However, if this happens again, just drop me a line O (and maybe others over here in good old The Netherlands without a creditcard ;-)), and I'll order an extra copy.